18/02/2013

:00:10. > :00:11.Tonight, the case for closing the Tonight, the case for closing the

:00:11. > :00:12.Tonight, the case for closing the door. We investigate the shops

:00:12. > :00:13.door. We investigate the shops door. We investigate the shops

:00:13. > :00:15.claiming to be green, throwing claiming to be green, throwing

:00:15. > :00:16.claiming to be green, throwing claiming to be green, throwing

:00:16. > :00:18.money out of the door. There is a money out of the door. There is a

:00:18. > :00:19.money out of the door. There is a wide-open shopfront there. The snow

:00:19. > :00:23.wide-open shopfront there. The snow wide-open shopfront there. The snow

:00:23. > :00:25.was melting on the pavement outside. was melting on the pavement outside.

:00:25. > :00:26.was melting on the pavement outside. Respecting your last wishes. We

:00:26. > :00:29.Respecting your last wishes. We Respecting your last wishes. We

:00:30. > :00:31.investigate the rise in rows over investigate the rise in rows over

:00:31. > :00:32.investigate the rise in rows over Wales. They left everything to each

:00:32. > :00:34.Wales. They left everything to each Wales. They left everything to each

:00:34. > :00:34.Wales. They left everything to each other, and when the last one died,

:00:34. > :00:37.other, and when the last one died, other, and when the last one died,

:00:37. > :00:38.everything went to the RSPCA. everything went to the RSPCA.

:00:38. > :00:41.everything went to the RSPCA. And meet the people fighting to

:00:41. > :00:43.And meet the people fighting to protect our historical treasure

:00:43. > :00:44.protect our historical treasure protect our historical treasure

:00:44. > :00:45.protect our historical treasure from thieves. All we want is our

:00:45. > :00:45.from thieves. All we want is our from thieves. All we want is our

:00:45. > :00:48.heritage protected. If it carries heritage protected. If it carries

:00:48. > :00:48.heritage protected. If it carries heritage protected. If it carries

:00:48. > :00:50.on at this rate, they might a be on at this rate, they might a be

:00:50. > :00:51.on at this rate, they might a be any left for future generations.

:00:51. > :00:53.any left for future generations. any left for future generations.

:00:53. > :00:54.any left for future generations. The story that matter where we live,

:00:54. > :01:04.The story that matter where we live, The story that matter where we live,

:01:04. > :01:08.

:01:08. > :01:11.The story that matter where we live, Tonight, Inside Out is in Milton

:01:11. > :01:12.Tonight, Inside Out is in Milton Tonight, Inside Out is in Milton

:01:12. > :01:13.Keynes. We have had some really Keynes. We have had some really

:01:13. > :01:14.Keynes. We have had some really Keynes. We have had some really

:01:14. > :01:15.cold weather this winter and we are cold weather this winter and we are

:01:15. > :01:17.cold weather this winter and we are cold weather this winter and we are

:01:17. > :01:18.all trying to save energy to cut all trying to save energy to cut

:01:18. > :01:19.all trying to save energy to cut our bills. Buildings used a

:01:19. > :01:21.our bills. Buildings used a our bills. Buildings used a

:01:21. > :01:22.staggering 40% of all the energy staggering 40% of all the energy

:01:22. > :01:23.staggering 40% of all the energy staggering 40% of all the energy

:01:23. > :01:25.used in the UK. It is pretty used in the UK. It is pretty

:01:25. > :01:26.surprising that many high-street surprising that many high-street

:01:26. > :01:29.surprising that many high-street shops are literally sh -- throwing

:01:29. > :01:32.shops are literally sh -- throwing shops are literally sh -- throwing

:01:32. > :01:33.shops are literally sh -- throwing money and energy out of the doors.

:01:33. > :01:34.money and energy out of the doors. money and energy out of the doors.

:01:34. > :01:40.money and energy out of the doors. We went for this special camera to

:01:40. > :01:41.investigate. investigate.

:01:41. > :01:42.investigate. We know that heating costs are

:01:42. > :01:42.We know that heating costs are We know that heating costs are

:01:42. > :01:45.We know that heating costs are rising and we are told that the

:01:45. > :01:46.rising and we are told that the rising and we are told that the

:01:46. > :01:47.planet is warming because of ass planet is warming because of ass

:01:47. > :01:53.planet is warming because of ass emissions. But in winter, there is

:01:53. > :01:54.emissions. But in winter, there is emissions. But in winter, there is

:01:54. > :01:56.emissions. But in winter, there is an easy way that shops can reduce

:01:56. > :01:57.an easy way that shops can reduce an easy way that shops can reduce

:01:57. > :01:58.an easy way that shops can reduce their emissions, by up to 50%. They

:01:58. > :02:02.their emissions, by up to 50%. They their emissions, by up to 50%. They

:02:02. > :02:03.could simply close their doors. But could simply close their doors. But

:02:03. > :02:04.could simply close their doors. But could simply close their doors. But

:02:04. > :02:05.some shops have a policy to reduce some shops have a policy to reduce

:02:05. > :02:07.some shops have a policy to reduce some shops have a policy to reduce

:02:07. > :02:08.energy use but they are not as energy use but they are not as

:02:08. > :02:09.energy use but they are not as environmentally aware -- aware as

:02:09. > :02:10.environmentally aware -- aware as environmentally aware -- aware as

:02:10. > :02:11.environmentally aware -- aware as you might think. You can't see heat

:02:11. > :02:12.you might think. You can't see heat you might think. You can't see heat

:02:12. > :02:14.being lost but with a thermal being lost but with a thermal

:02:14. > :02:16.being lost but with a thermal imaging camera, it is clear. The

:02:17. > :02:18.imaging camera, it is clear. The imaging camera, it is clear. The

:02:18. > :02:21.brighter colours are the Potter brighter colours are the Potter

:02:21. > :02:21.brighter colours are the Potter areas. The darker areas are colder.

:02:22. > :02:25.areas. The darker areas are colder. areas. The darker areas are colder.

:02:25. > :02:26.-- they are the brighter areas. -- they are the brighter areas.

:02:26. > :02:28.-- they are the brighter areas. Here at Waterstones, you can see

:02:28. > :02:28.Here at Waterstones, you can see Here at Waterstones, you can see

:02:29. > :02:31.Here at Waterstones, you can see where they have won a set of doors

:02:31. > :02:33.where they have won a set of doors where they have won a set of doors

:02:33. > :02:34.where they have won a set of doors shut and the other one open. Some

:02:34. > :02:35.shut and the other one open. Some shut and the other one open. Some

:02:35. > :02:36.friends in Cambridge felt so friends in Cambridge felt so

:02:36. > :02:37.friends in Cambridge felt so strongly they started a campaign to

:02:37. > :02:39.strongly they started a campaign to strongly they started a campaign to

:02:39. > :02:40.encourage shops to close their encourage shops to close their

:02:40. > :02:42.encourage shops to close their doors. We suddenly noticed how many

:02:42. > :02:43.doors. We suddenly noticed how many doors. We suddenly noticed how many

:02:43. > :02:44.doors. We suddenly noticed how many shops in Cambridge had the shop --

:02:44. > :02:45.shops in Cambridge had the shop -- shops in Cambridge had the shop --

:02:45. > :02:46.shops in Cambridge had the shop -- had their doors are wide open. And

:02:46. > :02:47.had their doors are wide open. And had their doors are wide open. And

:02:47. > :02:49.Jeannie said, we should do Jeannie said, we should do

:02:49. > :02:51.Jeannie said, we should do something about this. It was

:02:51. > :02:52.something about this. It was something about this. It was

:02:52. > :02:54.particularly bad because we were particularly bad because we were

:02:54. > :02:54.particularly bad because we were particularly bad because we were

:02:54. > :02:56.walking into WH Smith and there was walking into WH Smith and there was

:02:56. > :02:57.walking into WH Smith and there was walking into WH Smith and there was

:02:57. > :02:58.a wide open a shop front there and a wide open a shop front there and

:02:58. > :03:02.a wide open a shop front there and the snow was melting on the

:03:02. > :03:03.the snow was melting on the the snow was melting on the

:03:03. > :03:05.pavement outside. It just seemed pavement outside. It just seemed

:03:05. > :03:06.pavement outside. It just seemed really quite is serious thing. It

:03:06. > :03:07.really quite is serious thing. It really quite is serious thing. It

:03:07. > :03:08.really quite is serious thing. It seemed a very good idea to sit down

:03:08. > :03:09.seemed a very good idea to sit down seemed a very good idea to sit down

:03:09. > :03:09.seemed a very good idea to sit down and work out what it was really

:03:09. > :03:11.and work out what it was really and work out what it was really

:03:11. > :03:13.worth for them to do something worth for them to do something

:03:13. > :03:15.worth for them to do something about it. That's how it started.

:03:15. > :03:16.about it. That's how it started. about it. That's how it started.

:03:16. > :03:17.They have had some success and They have had some success and

:03:17. > :03:19.They have had some success and persuaded about 500 jobs to close

:03:19. > :03:20.persuaded about 500 jobs to close persuaded about 500 jobs to close

:03:20. > :03:23.persuaded about 500 jobs to close the door. The first thing we did

:03:23. > :03:24.the door. The first thing we did the door. The first thing we did

:03:24. > :03:26.was to visit shops ourselves and was to visit shops ourselves and

:03:26. > :03:27.was to visit shops ourselves and walk around to hundreds of shops

:03:27. > :03:28.walk around to hundreds of shops walk around to hundreds of shops

:03:28. > :03:29.walk around to hundreds of shops and Cambridge and talk to staff and

:03:29. > :03:31.and Cambridge and talk to staff and and Cambridge and talk to staff and

:03:31. > :03:32.managers there and find out what managers there and find out what

:03:32. > :03:34.managers there and find out what their attitude work and try to

:03:34. > :03:39.their attitude work and try to their attitude work and try to

:03:39. > :03:40.persuade them to kick off his persuade them to kick off his

:03:40. > :03:42.persuade them to kick off his campaign. This company always used

:03:42. > :03:43.campaign. This company always used campaign. This company always used

:03:43. > :03:44.campaign. This company always used to have its doors open and now look,

:03:44. > :03:45.to have its doors open and now look, to have its doors open and now look,

:03:45. > :03:52.to have its doors open and now look, there is a sign, and they have

:03:52. > :03:55.there is a sign, and they have there is a sign, and they have

:03:55. > :03:57.opened it up. Fantastic. Most opened it up. Fantastic. Most

:03:57. > :03:58.people listened. Especially the people listened. Especially the

:03:58. > :04:00.people listened. Especially the Independents, because they have to

:04:01. > :04:01.Independents, because they have to Independents, because they have to

:04:01. > :04:02.Independents, because they have to pay their own bills. But in a

:04:03. > :04:03.pay their own bills. But in a pay their own bills. But in a

:04:04. > :04:04.pay their own bills. But in a recession, it is it really fair to

:04:04. > :04:06.recession, it is it really fair to recession, it is it really fair to

:04:06. > :04:07.recession, it is it really fair to ask a shop to close their doors?

:04:07. > :04:09.ask a shop to close their doors? ask a shop to close their doors?

:04:09. > :04:12.It's more important than ever. For It's more important than ever. For

:04:12. > :04:12.It's more important than ever. For It's more important than ever. For

:04:12. > :04:14.years, it has been thought that if years, it has been thought that if

:04:14. > :04:15.years, it has been thought that if years, it has been thought that if

:04:15. > :04:16.you shut the door, no one will come you shut the door, no one will come

:04:16. > :04:18.you shut the door, no one will come you shut the door, no one will come

:04:18. > :04:19.in and that will equate to reduce in and that will equate to reduce

:04:19. > :04:20.in and that will equate to reduce profits. We have plenty of

:04:20. > :04:20.profits. We have plenty of profits. We have plenty of

:04:21. > :04:22.profits. We have plenty of information to show that it is not

:04:22. > :04:23.information to show that it is not information to show that it is not

:04:23. > :04:25.information to show that it is not a risk. On top of that, we can't

:04:25. > :04:26.a risk. On top of that, we can't a risk. On top of that, we can't

:04:26. > :04:27.a risk. On top of that, we can't afford it. It is not just climate

:04:27. > :04:29.afford it. It is not just climate afford it. It is not just climate

:04:29. > :04:30.afford it. It is not just climate change, but that money, to pay for

:04:30. > :04:31.change, but that money, to pay for change, but that money, to pay for

:04:31. > :04:32.change, but that money, to pay for the wasted energy, has to come from

:04:32. > :04:33.the wasted energy, has to come from the wasted energy, has to come from

:04:33. > :04:35.the wasted energy, has to come from somewhere and it goes on the price

:04:35. > :04:36.somewhere and it goes on the price somewhere and it goes on the price

:04:36. > :04:38.somewhere and it goes on the price of goods. So, it seems to be a

:04:38. > :04:40.of goods. So, it seems to be a of goods. So, it seems to be a

:04:40. > :04:42.waste of money and energy. Andy waste of money and energy. Andy

:04:42. > :04:43.waste of money and energy. Andy Brown is an engineer and

:04:43. > :04:46.Brown is an engineer and specialises in making buildings

:04:46. > :04:49.specialises in making buildings energy-efficient. Buildings used

:04:49. > :04:50.energy-efficient. Buildings used energy-efficient. Buildings used

:04:50. > :04:52.about 40% of our national energy about 40% of our national energy

:04:52. > :04:54.consumption. And a similar consumption. And a similar

:04:54. > :04:55.consumption. And a similar proportion other CO2 emissions. A

:04:55. > :04:58.proportion other CO2 emissions. A proportion other CO2 emissions. A

:04:58. > :04:59.really substantial use of resources. really substantial use of resources.

:04:59. > :05:00.really substantial use of resources. really substantial use of resources.

:05:00. > :05:02.Is it possible to leave the door Is it possible to leave the door

:05:02. > :05:03.Is it possible to leave the door Is it possible to leave the door

:05:03. > :05:04.open in cold weather and not lose open in cold weather and not lose

:05:04. > :05:06.open in cold weather and not lose energy? I don't think it is.

:05:06. > :05:09.energy? I don't think it is. energy? I don't think it is.

:05:09. > :05:10.Obviously, there will be cold air Obviously, there will be cold air

:05:10. > :05:11.Obviously, there will be cold air coming in and the normal solution

:05:11. > :05:12.coming in and the normal solution coming in and the normal solution

:05:12. > :05:13.is putting an enormous fan heater is putting an enormous fan heater

:05:13. > :05:15.is putting an enormous fan heater is putting an enormous fan heater

:05:15. > :05:17.over the door. It is just an over the door. It is just an

:05:17. > :05:18.over the door. It is just an enormous fan heater over the door,

:05:18. > :05:20.enormous fan heater over the door, enormous fan heater over the door,

:05:21. > :05:22.not a solution. It sounds like not a solution. It sounds like

:05:22. > :05:24.common sense and Cambridge common sense and Cambridge

:05:24. > :05:25.University has conducted scientific University has conducted scientific

:05:25. > :05:26.University has conducted scientific research which proves how effective

:05:26. > :05:27.research which proves how effective research which proves how effective

:05:27. > :05:28.research which proves how effective closed doors can be. This is one of

:05:28. > :05:29.closed doors can be. This is one of closed doors can be. This is one of

:05:29. > :05:33.the shops that was monitored to the shops that was monitored to

:05:33. > :05:34.the shops that was monitored to the shops that was monitored to

:05:34. > :05:35.work out how a reduction works when work out how a reduction works when

:05:35. > :05:37.work out how a reduction works when doors are shut. It shows that

:05:37. > :05:38.doors are shut. It shows that doors are shut. It shows that

:05:38. > :05:40.doors are shut. It shows that reductions of up to 50% can be

:05:40. > :05:41.reductions of up to 50% can be reductions of up to 50% can be

:05:41. > :05:42.achieved. We were approached to get achieved. We were approached to get

:05:42. > :05:42.achieved. We were approached to get achieved. We were approached to get

:05:42. > :05:44.involved and we thought it would be involved and we thought it would be

:05:44. > :05:46.involved and we thought it would be a good opportunity because, as a

:05:46. > :05:47.a good opportunity because, as a a good opportunity because, as a

:05:47. > :05:48.small business, we always try to small business, we always try to

:05:48. > :05:52.small business, we always try to reduce costs. Heating cost are

:05:52. > :05:53.reduce costs. Heating cost are reduce costs. Heating cost are

:05:53. > :05:54.quite high. A nice gentleman came quite high. A nice gentleman came

:05:54. > :05:55.quite high. A nice gentleman came in and monitored the number of

:05:55. > :05:56.in and monitored the number of in and monitored the number of

:05:57. > :05:58.customers coming through the door. customers coming through the door.

:05:58. > :05:58.customers coming through the door. customers coming through the door.

:05:58. > :06:00.That was also useful for us because That was also useful for us because

:06:01. > :06:01.That was also useful for us because That was also useful for us because

:06:01. > :06:03.it gave us an idea of our foot- it gave us an idea of our foot-

:06:03. > :06:04.it gave us an idea of our foot- it gave us an idea of our foot-

:06:04. > :06:05.fault on a daily basis. We had fault on a daily basis. We had

:06:05. > :06:07.fault on a daily basis. We had monitors positioned in about eight

:06:07. > :06:09.monitors positioned in about eight monitors positioned in about eight

:06:09. > :06:10.positions around the shop and we positions around the shop and we

:06:10. > :06:10.positions around the shop and we showed that the temperature rose

:06:10. > :06:11.showed that the temperature rose showed that the temperature rose

:06:11. > :06:13.steadily throughout the day by steadily throughout the day by

:06:13. > :06:16.steadily throughout the day by keeping the door shut. So, really

:06:16. > :06:19.keeping the door shut. So, really keeping the door shut. So, really

:06:19. > :06:20.useful? Yes, very useful. Concrete useful? Yes, very useful. Concrete

:06:20. > :06:21.useful? Yes, very useful. Concrete evidence. It has reduced the

:06:21. > :06:22.evidence. It has reduced the evidence. It has reduced the

:06:22. > :06:22.electricity bill and although we electricity bill and although we

:06:23. > :06:25.electricity bill and although we have seen a rise in electricity

:06:25. > :06:28.have seen a rise in electricity have seen a rise in electricity

:06:28. > :06:29.prices, the bill overall his Lola. prices, the bill overall his Lola.

:06:29. > :06:30.prices, the bill overall his Lola. prices, the bill overall his Lola.

:06:30. > :06:33.We have used the he -- the heating We have used the he -- the heating

:06:33. > :06:36.We have used the he -- the heating system far less. What about foot

:06:36. > :06:38.system far less. What about foot system far less. What about foot

:06:38. > :06:39.system far less. What about foot for? It does not affect food for.

:06:39. > :06:44.for? It does not affect food for. for? It does not affect food for.

:06:44. > :06:45.for? It does not affect food for. We are creative about what we put

:06:45. > :06:46.We are creative about what we put We are creative about what we put

:06:46. > :06:47.We are creative about what we put in the windows and we make sure

:06:47. > :06:49.in the windows and we make sure in the windows and we make sure

:06:49. > :06:50.in the windows and we make sure people know that we are open. As

:06:50. > :06:52.people know that we are open. As people know that we are open. As

:06:52. > :06:54.far as customers are concerned, we far as customers are concerned, we

:06:54. > :06:55.far as customers are concerned, we far as customers are concerned, we

:06:55. > :06:56.offer a high level of customer care offer a high level of customer care

:06:56. > :06:57.offer a high level of customer care offer a high level of customer care

:06:57. > :06:58.because we jump on the door to open because we jump on the door to open

:06:58. > :06:59.because we jump on the door to open the door when someone arrives.

:06:59. > :07:03.the door when someone arrives. the door when someone arrives.

:07:03. > :07:04.People can be coming in with People can be coming in with

:07:04. > :07:05.People can be coming in with buggies. We went back onto the

:07:05. > :07:07.buggies. We went back onto the buggies. We went back onto the

:07:07. > :07:10.buggies. We went back onto the street to see how many shops we

:07:10. > :07:11.street to see how many shops we street to see how many shops we

:07:11. > :07:13.could find wasting energy. Here we could find wasting energy. Here we

:07:13. > :07:14.could find wasting energy. Here we are at WH Smith. They have

:07:14. > :07:15.are at WH Smith. They have are at WH Smith. They have

:07:15. > :07:16.automatic doors, but they are wide automatic doors, but they are wide

:07:16. > :07:19.automatic doors, but they are wide open and the yellow speaks for

:07:19. > :07:20.open and the yellow speaks for open and the yellow speaks for

:07:20. > :07:21.open and the yellow speaks for itself. Wh Smith told us that they

:07:21. > :07:22.itself. Wh Smith told us that they itself. Wh Smith told us that they

:07:22. > :07:24.continually look for ways to reduce continually look for ways to reduce

:07:24. > :07:25.continually look for ways to reduce continually look for ways to reduce

:07:25. > :07:26.the amount of energy they use and the amount of energy they use and

:07:26. > :07:27.the amount of energy they use and that there automatic doors should

:07:27. > :07:28.that there automatic doors should that there automatic doors should

:07:28. > :07:29.that there automatic doors should open and close with the flow of

:07:29. > :07:30.open and close with the flow of open and close with the flow of

:07:31. > :07:34.customers at the store. But today, customers at the store. But today,

:07:34. > :07:37.we have temperatures around we have temperatures around

:07:37. > :07:38.we have temperatures around we have temperatures around

:07:38. > :07:40.freezing and the door has been open freezing and the door has been open

:07:40. > :07:42.freezing and the door has been open for around five minutes. Now, you

:07:42. > :07:43.for around five minutes. Now, you for around five minutes. Now, you

:07:44. > :07:45.for around five minutes. Now, you may think that this is a pretty

:07:45. > :07:46.may think that this is a pretty environmentally friendly shop. On

:07:46. > :07:48.environmentally friendly shop. On environmentally friendly shop. On

:07:48. > :07:49.the website, they say that caring the website, they say that caring

:07:49. > :07:50.the website, they say that caring the website, they say that caring

:07:50. > :07:52.about the environment is one of its about the environment is one of its

:07:52. > :07:53.about the environment is one of its top priorities. They have signed up

:07:53. > :07:55.top priorities. They have signed up top priorities. They have signed up

:07:55. > :07:56.to the climate revolution. But this to the climate revolution. But this

:07:56. > :07:57.to the climate revolution. But this to the climate revolution. But this

:07:57. > :07:59.is then Norwich branch on one of is then Norwich branch on one of

:07:59. > :08:00.is then Norwich branch on one of is then Norwich branch on one of

:08:00. > :08:01.the coldest days of this year. Lush the coldest days of this year. Lush

:08:01. > :08:02.the coldest days of this year. Lush told us that there shop managers

:08:02. > :08:04.told us that there shop managers told us that there shop managers

:08:04. > :08:06.told us that there shop managers can decide to close the door but

:08:06. > :08:07.can decide to close the door but can decide to close the door but

:08:07. > :08:08.can decide to close the door but they also said it that the Norwich

:08:08. > :08:10.they also said it that the Norwich they also said it that the Norwich

:08:10. > :08:11.and Cambridge stores are on the and Cambridge stores are on the

:08:11. > :08:13.and Cambridge stores are on the Ecotricity tariffs which means that

:08:13. > :08:14.Ecotricity tariffs which means that Ecotricity tariffs which means that

:08:14. > :08:19.Ecotricity tariffs which means that energy loss from doors of one not

:08:19. > :08:20.energy loss from doors of one not energy loss from doors of one not

:08:20. > :08:21.result in higher bills. Ecotricity result in higher bills. Ecotricity

:08:21. > :08:22.result in higher bills. Ecotricity result in higher bills. Ecotricity

:08:22. > :08:23.told us that they do not have the told us that they do not have the

:08:23. > :08:25.told us that they do not have the zero emissions. According to the

:08:25. > :08:26.zero emissions. According to the zero emissions. According to the

:08:26. > :08:27.climate revolution we could all climate revolution we could all

:08:27. > :08:28.climate revolution we could all climate revolution we could all

:08:28. > :08:30.save money and save the planet by save money and save the planet by

:08:30. > :08:31.save money and save the planet by turning down our thermostat and

:08:31. > :08:33.turning down our thermostat and turning down our thermostat and

:08:33. > :08:34.insulating our homes. But does not insulating our homes. But does not

:08:34. > :08:36.insulating our homes. But does not insulating our homes. But does not

:08:36. > :08:39.seem to apply to Large hurt -- seem to apply to Large hurt --

:08:39. > :08:41.seem to apply to Large hurt -- shops. Jeannie is trying to

:08:41. > :08:43.shops. Jeannie is trying to shops. Jeannie is trying to

:08:43. > :08:45.persuade all the shops to close persuade all the shops to close

:08:45. > :08:47.their doors including high-street their doors including high-street

:08:47. > :08:48.their doors including high-street their doors including high-street

:08:48. > :08:51.chains. He we are coming up to Next. chains. He we are coming up to Next.

:08:52. > :08:52.chains. He we are coming up to Next. You see the doors here, wide-open

:08:52. > :08:55.You see the doors here, wide-open You see the doors here, wide-open

:08:55. > :08:56.You see the doors here, wide-open on this freezing cold day. This is

:08:56. > :08:57.on this freezing cold day. This is on this freezing cold day. This is

:08:57. > :08:58.on this freezing cold day. This is the same picture in stores all over

:08:58. > :09:00.the same picture in stores all over the same picture in stores all over

:09:00. > :09:02.the country. We have tried the country. We have tried

:09:02. > :09:04.the country. We have tried everything from store manager level.

:09:04. > :09:04.everything from store manager level. everything from store manager level.

:09:04. > :09:07.everything from store manager level. We asked of them in here three

:09:07. > :09:08.We asked of them in here three We asked of them in here three

:09:08. > :09:10.winters ago to do something about winters ago to do something about

:09:10. > :09:10.winters ago to do something about winters ago to do something about

:09:10. > :09:12.it. They have to follow head of it. They have to follow head of

:09:12. > :09:13.it. They have to follow head of it. They have to follow head of

:09:13. > :09:14.this policy. This is just right to this policy. This is just right to

:09:14. > :09:16.this policy. This is just right to customer services and the gossip

:09:16. > :09:17.customer services and the gossip customer services and the gossip

:09:17. > :09:18.brush-off from them. Then removed brush-off from them. Then removed

:09:18. > :09:19.brush-off from them. Then removed brush-off from them. Then removed

:09:19. > :09:23.on writing all the beer up -- all on writing all the beer up -- all

:09:23. > :09:24.on writing all the beer up -- all on writing all the beer up -- all

:09:24. > :09:26.the way up to the company to Lord the way up to the company to Lord

:09:26. > :09:28.the way up to the company to Lord Walston. We got totally stonewalled

:09:28. > :09:29.Walston. We got totally stonewalled Walston. We got totally stonewalled

:09:29. > :09:32.Walston. We got totally stonewalled all the way. -- Lord Wolfson. That

:09:32. > :09:33.all the way. -- Lord Wolfson. That all the way. -- Lord Wolfson. That

:09:33. > :09:35.all the way. -- Lord Wolfson. That is very unusual. We have just not

:09:35. > :09:35.is very unusual. We have just not is very unusual. We have just not

:09:35. > :09:37.is very unusual. We have just not succeeded with this at all. That is

:09:37. > :09:38.succeeded with this at all. That is interesting, because on their

:09:38. > :09:40.interesting, because on their interesting, because on their

:09:40. > :09:41.website, they say one of their website, they say one of their

:09:41. > :09:43.website, they say one of their priorities is to reduce energy use.

:09:43. > :09:44.priorities is to reduce energy use. priorities is to reduce energy use.

:09:44. > :09:45.priorities is to reduce energy use. Which goes to show that they knew -

:09:45. > :09:45.Which goes to show that they knew - Which goes to show that they knew -

:09:45. > :09:48.Which goes to show that they knew - - they know the advantages of doing

:09:48. > :09:49.- they know the advantages of doing - they know the advantages of doing

:09:49. > :09:50.- they know the advantages of doing it. Next told us that it operates

:09:50. > :09:51.it. Next told us that it operates it. Next told us that it operates

:09:51. > :09:53.it. Next told us that it operates an open doors policy to make stores

:09:53. > :09:54.an open doors policy to make stores an open doors policy to make stores

:09:54. > :09:56.easily accessible to all customers. easily accessible to all customers.

:09:56. > :09:57.easily accessible to all customers. It says that it takes his

:09:57. > :09:59.It says that it takes his environmental responsibilities very

:09:59. > :10:01.environmental responsibilities very environmental responsibilities very

:10:01. > :10:02.seriously. They also said that a seriously. They also said that a

:10:02. > :10:03.seriously. They also said that a seriously. They also said that a

:10:03. > :10:04.flow of warm air at the door flow of warm air at the door

:10:04. > :10:06.flow of warm air at the door entrance creates a virtual sealed

:10:06. > :10:07.entrance creates a virtual sealed entrance creates a virtual sealed

:10:07. > :10:08.to minimise the heat loss through to minimise the heat loss through

:10:08. > :10:10.to minimise the heat loss through the open doorway. Other shops told

:10:10. > :10:11.the open doorway. Other shops told the open doorway. Other shops told

:10:11. > :10:12.the open doorway. Other shops told us that heaters above the doors can

:10:12. > :10:13.us that heaters above the doors can us that heaters above the doors can

:10:13. > :10:15.us that heaters above the doors can make a curtain of hair to keep the

:10:15. > :10:16.make a curtain of hair to keep the make a curtain of hair to keep the

:10:16. > :10:18.make a curtain of hair to keep the heat in the building. I wonder if

:10:18. > :10:20.heat in the building. I wonder if heat in the building. I wonder if

:10:20. > :10:21.heat in the building. I wonder if that can be true? Air curtains are

:10:21. > :10:22.that can be true? Air curtains are that can be true? Air curtains are

:10:22. > :10:23.quite a clever technology and work quite a clever technology and work

:10:23. > :10:24.quite a clever technology and work quite a clever technology and work

:10:24. > :10:26.very well in the areas they were very well in the areas they were

:10:26. > :10:28.very well in the areas they were designed and developed for, which

:10:28. > :10:30.designed and developed for, which designed and developed for, which

:10:30. > :10:31.is protecting cold stores. But in is protecting cold stores. But in

:10:31. > :10:33.is protecting cold stores. But in fact, most shops do not have

:10:33. > :10:35.fact, most shops do not have fact, most shops do not have

:10:35. > :10:37.curtains, they have over door fan curtains, they have over door fan

:10:37. > :10:38.curtains, they have over door fan heaters. They achieve a small

:10:38. > :10:39.heaters. They achieve a small heaters. They achieve a small

:10:39. > :10:40.amount in separating the inside amount in separating the inside

:10:40. > :10:41.amount in separating the inside environment from the outside, but

:10:41. > :10:42.environment from the outside, but environment from the outside, but

:10:42. > :10:43.environment from the outside, but they do that by blowing a lot of

:10:43. > :10:44.they do that by blowing a lot of they do that by blowing a lot of

:10:44. > :10:46.they do that by blowing a lot of warm air into the street. The only

:10:46. > :10:47.warm air into the street. The only warm air into the street. The only

:10:47. > :10:48.warm air into the street. The only way by keeping -- to keep the heat

:10:48. > :10:50.way by keeping -- to keep the heat way by keeping -- to keep the heat

:10:50. > :10:52.way by keeping -- to keep the heat in is to provide doors. It is a

:10:52. > :10:54.in is to provide doors. It is a in is to provide doors. It is a

:10:54. > :10:57.well-tried technology and part of a well-tried technology and part of a

:10:57. > :10:57.well-tried technology and part of a decent shopfront design. It will

:10:57. > :10:59.decent shopfront design. It will decent shopfront design. It will

:10:59. > :11:02.decent shopfront design. It will keep the heat in and the draft out

:11:02. > :11:05.keep the heat in and the draft out keep the heat in and the draft out

:11:05. > :11:07.and allow people through. -- the and allow people through. -- the

:11:07. > :11:08.and allow people through. -- the drafts out. Jeannie believes the

:11:08. > :11:10.drafts out. Jeannie believes the drafts out. Jeannie believes the

:11:10. > :11:12.campaign can spread throughout the campaign can spread throughout the

:11:12. > :11:13.campaign can spread throughout the country. We would like everybody

:11:13. > :11:15.country. We would like everybody country. We would like everybody

:11:15. > :11:17.who minds about this to exercise who minds about this to exercise

:11:17. > :11:19.who minds about this to exercise their choice. Everybody is powerful

:11:19. > :11:20.their choice. Everybody is powerful their choice. Everybody is powerful

:11:20. > :11:21.in this way. Ultimately, we all in this way. Ultimately, we all

:11:21. > :11:21.in this way. Ultimately, we all in this way. Ultimately, we all

:11:21. > :11:22.in this way. Ultimately, we all have a shot at -- we all have a

:11:22. > :11:24.have a shot at -- we all have a have a shot at -- we all have a

:11:24. > :11:25.choice about where we spend our choice about where we spend our

:11:25. > :11:26.choice about where we spend our choice about where we spend our

:11:26. > :11:27.money and his energy has to be paid money and his energy has to be paid

:11:27. > :11:28.money and his energy has to be paid money and his energy has to be paid

:11:28. > :11:29.for, in good, so if you don't like for, in good, so if you don't like

:11:29. > :11:31.for, in good, so if you don't like for, in good, so if you don't like

:11:31. > :11:32.what is going on at that particular what is going on at that particular

:11:32. > :11:42.what is going on at that particular shop, don't shop there, go

:11:42. > :11:42.shop, don't shop there, go If there is anything we should be

:11:42. > :11:44.If there is anything we should be If there is anything we should be

:11:44. > :11:46.looking at in this programme, send looking at in this programme, send

:11:46. > :11:47.looking at in this programme, send looking at in this programme, send

:11:47. > :11:48.it to me. You're watching a Inside it to me. You're watching a Inside

:11:48. > :11:51.it to me. You're watching a Inside it to me. You're watching a Inside

:11:51. > :11:52.Out East. Still to come, saving our Out East. Still to come, saving our

:11:52. > :11:53.Out East. Still to come, saving our heritage from thieves. Or we meet

:11:53. > :11:55.heritage from thieves. Or we meet heritage from thieves. Or we meet

:11:55. > :11:58.the people giving them know where the people giving them know where

:11:58. > :11:59.the people giving them know where to hide. Unbelievably, we are seen

:11:59. > :12:00.to hide. Unbelievably, we are seen to hide. Unbelievably, we are seen

:12:00. > :12:01.to detectorists in the field over to detectorists in the field over

:12:01. > :12:03.to detectorists in the field over to detectorists in the field over

:12:03. > :12:04.there and we could see they were there and we could see they were

:12:04. > :12:05.there and we could see they were using detectorist -- detectors, and

:12:05. > :12:06.using detectorist -- detectors, and using detectorist -- detectors, and

:12:06. > :12:13.using detectorist -- detectors, and it was obvious he didn't want to

:12:13. > :12:14.�2 million is a huge amount of �2 million is a huge amount of

:12:14. > :12:15.�2 million is a huge amount of �2 million is a huge amount of

:12:15. > :12:16.money so it is not surprising that money so it is not surprising that

:12:16. > :12:17.money so it is not surprising that when Christie found that her mother

:12:17. > :12:20.when Christie found that her mother when Christie found that her mother

:12:20. > :12:22.when Christie found that her mother when Christie found that her mother

:12:22. > :12:25.had left that amount to at a -- an had left that amount to at a -- an

:12:25. > :12:26.had left that amount to at a -- an animal can charity, she decided to

:12:26. > :12:27.animal can charity, she decided to animal can charity, she decided to

:12:27. > :12:29.animal can charity, she decided to go to court. She is not alone. Many

:12:29. > :12:32.go to court. She is not alone. Many go to court. She is not alone. Many

:12:32. > :12:33.more people are rowing over wills. more people are rowing over wills.

:12:33. > :12:34.more people are rowing over wills. Last will and testament, a document

:12:34. > :12:35.Last will and testament, a document Last will and testament, a document

:12:35. > :12:36.that states your final wishes that states your final wishes

:12:36. > :12:39.that states your final wishes that states your final wishes

:12:39. > :12:40.except that that is not always the except that that is not always the

:12:40. > :12:42.except that that is not always the case. There have been hundreds of

:12:42. > :12:45.case. There have been hundreds of case. There have been hundreds of

:12:45. > :12:46.cases of family so disappointed at cases of family so disappointed at

:12:46. > :12:49.cases of family so disappointed at their relatives' Wells, but they

:12:49. > :12:50.their relatives' Wells, but they their relatives' Wells, but they

:12:50. > :12:51.have risked thousands of pounds to have risked thousands of pounds to

:12:51. > :12:52.have risked thousands of pounds to have risked thousands of pounds to

:12:52. > :12:53.take them to court. But if you want take them to court. But if you want

:12:53. > :12:55.take them to court. But if you want take them to court. But if you want

:12:55. > :12:56.to leave all your money to a cat's to leave all your money to a cat's

:12:56. > :12:57.to leave all your money to a cat's to leave all your money to a cat's

:12:57. > :12:58.home, surely that up to you? If a home, surely that up to you? If a

:12:58. > :12:59.home, surely that up to you? If a will can be successfully challenged,

:12:59. > :13:02.will can be successfully challenged, will can be successfully challenged,

:13:02. > :13:03.will can be successfully challenged, what are the point of writing it?

:13:03. > :13:05.what are the point of writing it? what are the point of writing it?

:13:05. > :13:06.Christine Gill helps run the family Christine Gill helps run the family

:13:06. > :13:07.Christine Gill helps run the family farm. She always assumed that her

:13:07. > :13:09.farm. She always assumed that her farm. She always assumed that her

:13:09. > :13:10.farm. She always assumed that her parents would leave it to her. When

:13:10. > :13:11.parents would leave it to her. When parents would leave it to her. When

:13:11. > :13:13.they died, she discovered that they they died, she discovered that they

:13:13. > :13:14.they died, she discovered that they had left everything to charity.

:13:14. > :13:15.had left everything to charity. had left everything to charity.

:13:15. > :13:16.They had left everything to each They had left everything to each

:13:16. > :13:18.They had left everything to each They had left everything to each

:13:18. > :13:21.other, and when the last one died, other, and when the last one died,

:13:21. > :13:22.other, and when the last one died, everything went to the RSPCA. There

:13:22. > :13:22.everything went to the RSPCA. There everything went to the RSPCA. There

:13:22. > :13:25.everything went to the RSPCA. There was a sentence in it excluding me

:13:25. > :13:26.was a sentence in it excluding me was a sentence in it excluding me

:13:26. > :13:27.was a sentence in it excluding me on the grounds that the world --

:13:27. > :13:28.on the grounds that the world -- on the grounds that the world --

:13:28. > :13:29.on the grounds that the world -- that I had been well provided for

:13:29. > :13:30.that I had been well provided for that I had been well provided for

:13:30. > :13:32.that I had been well provided for in their lifetime. And that was it.

:13:32. > :13:33.in their lifetime. And that was it. in their lifetime. And that was it.

:13:33. > :13:34.in their lifetime. And that was it. I don't know why they made that

:13:34. > :13:41.I don't know why they made that I don't know why they made that

:13:41. > :13:43.well. You haven't fallen out? No, well. You haven't fallen out? No,

:13:43. > :13:44.well. You haven't fallen out? No, well. You haven't fallen out? No,

:13:44. > :13:45.that was one of the most hurtful that was one of the most hurtful

:13:45. > :13:46.that was one of the most hurtful that was one of the most hurtful

:13:46. > :13:47.that was one of the most hurtful things. It was as if one of -- as

:13:47. > :13:48.things. It was as if one of -- as things. It was as if one of -- as

:13:48. > :13:49.things. It was as if one of -- as if they will have come down over my

:13:49. > :13:52.if they will have come down over my if they will have come down over my

:13:52. > :14:02.past life and it all suddenly past life and it all suddenly

:14:02. > :14:05.

:14:05. > :14:06.Christine decided to fight the case Christine decided to fight the case

:14:06. > :14:07.Christine decided to fight the case Christine decided to fight the case

:14:07. > :14:08.in court. Her story is not uncommon. in court. Her story is not uncommon.

:14:08. > :14:10.in court. Her story is not uncommon. Many solicitors now offer seminars

:14:10. > :14:11.Many solicitors now offer seminars Many solicitors now offer seminars

:14:11. > :14:12.about inheritance. The validity of about inheritance. The validity of

:14:12. > :14:13.about inheritance. The validity of about inheritance. The validity of

:14:13. > :14:14.a will can be challenged on a a will can be challenged on a

:14:14. > :14:15.a will can be challenged on a number of grounds. But today's

:14:15. > :14:16.number of grounds. But today's number of grounds. But today's

:14:16. > :14:17.seminar is going to focus on seminar is going to focus on

:14:17. > :14:19.seminar is going to focus on disputes concerning wills that are

:14:19. > :14:20.perfectly valid. perfectly valid.

:14:20. > :14:21.perfectly valid. Amanda Smallcombe is a partner with

:14:21. > :14:22.Amanda Smallcombe is a partner with Colchester solicitors Birkett Long.

:14:22. > :14:26.Colchester solicitors Birkett Long. She specialises in contentious

:14:26. > :14:27.She specialises in contentious She specialises in contentious

:14:27. > :14:28.wills. Since 2006, the number of wills. Since 2006, the number of

:14:28. > :14:31.wills. Since 2006, the number of cases that have been issued are

:14:31. > :14:31.cases that have been issued are cases that have been issued are

:14:31. > :14:35.increasing. It certainly makes up increasing. It certainly makes up

:14:35. > :14:36.increasing. It certainly makes up the whole of my caseload now.

:14:36. > :14:37.the whole of my caseload now. the whole of my caseload now.

:14:37. > :14:38.the whole of my caseload now. I think there is a general trend

:14:38. > :14:41.I think there is a general trend I think there is a general trend

:14:41. > :14:41.that people expect to receive an that people expect to receive an

:14:41. > :14:43.that people expect to receive an inheritance. There are a lot of

:14:43. > :14:43.inheritance. There are a lot of inheritance. There are a lot of

:14:43. > :14:44.inheritance. There are a lot of people that come to see me, because

:14:44. > :14:45.people that come to see me, because people that come to see me, because

:14:45. > :14:46.people that come to see me, because they think it is just not fair that

:14:46. > :14:48.they think it is just not fair that they think it is just not fair that

:14:48. > :14:49.they haven't been provided for. they haven't been provided for.

:14:49. > :14:50.they haven't been provided for. they haven't been provided for.

:14:50. > :14:51.They think they can bring a claim They think they can bring a claim

:14:51. > :14:52.They think they can bring a claim They think they can bring a claim

:14:52. > :14:53.because it is just not fair. There because it is just not fair. There

:14:53. > :14:54.because it is just not fair. There are significant costs in bringing a

:14:54. > :14:55.are significant costs in bringing a are significant costs in bringing a

:14:55. > :14:56.are significant costs in bringing a challenge to a inheritance. It is a

:14:56. > :14:57.challenge to a inheritance. It is a challenge to a inheritance. It is a

:14:57. > :14:59.complex area of law. Therefore complex area of law. Therefore

:14:59. > :15:00.complex area of law. Therefore complex area of law. Therefore

:15:00. > :15:01.legal fees can be high. It can cost legal fees can be high. It can cost

:15:01. > :15:02.legal fees can be high. It can cost tens of thousands, or hundreds of

:15:02. > :15:03.tens of thousands, or hundreds of tens of thousands, or hundreds of

:15:03. > :15:07.thousands of pounds. But there is thousands of pounds. But there is

:15:07. > :15:08.thousands of pounds. But there is also an emotional cost. People are

:15:08. > :15:09.also an emotional cost. People are also an emotional cost. People are

:15:09. > :15:10.also an emotional cost. People are dealing with the death of a loved

:15:10. > :15:13.dealing with the death of a loved dealing with the death of a loved

:15:13. > :15:14.one and often warring with other one and often warring with other

:15:14. > :15:15.one and often warring with other family members. In that respect, I

:15:15. > :15:20.family members. In that respect, I family members. In that respect, I

:15:20. > :15:21.think these cases are worse than think these cases are worse than

:15:21. > :15:22.think these cases are worse than divorce cases. One reason for the

:15:22. > :15:23.divorce cases. One reason for the divorce cases. One reason for the

:15:24. > :15:24.increase in challenges to wills is increase in challenges to wills is

:15:24. > :15:27.increase in challenges to wills is the rise in the number of

:15:27. > :15:28.the rise in the number of complicated families. Graham and

:15:28. > :15:28.complicated families. Graham and complicated families. Graham and

:15:28. > :15:29.Gwyn Hart from Chelmsford attended Gwyn Hart from Chelmsford attended

:15:29. > :15:31.Gwyn Hart from Chelmsford attended the seminar, because they both have

:15:31. > :15:32.the seminar, because they both have children from previous marriages.

:15:32. > :15:33.children from previous marriages. children from previous marriages.

:15:33. > :15:35.They want to avoid any arguments They want to avoid any arguments

:15:36. > :15:36.They want to avoid any arguments They want to avoid any arguments

:15:36. > :15:38.after they die. We want my pot of after they die. We want my pot of

:15:38. > :15:39.after they die. We want my pot of after they die. We want my pot of

:15:39. > :15:40.money to go to my children. And money to go to my children. And

:15:40. > :15:42.money to go to my children. And Graham's money to go to his

:15:42. > :15:44.Graham's money to go to his Graham's money to go to his

:15:44. > :15:45.children. That was always in our children. That was always in our

:15:45. > :15:46.children. That was always in our children. That was always in our

:15:46. > :15:47.minds. We do not want them to have minds. We do not want them to have

:15:47. > :15:48.minds. We do not want them to have the aftermath of having to sort

:15:48. > :15:49.the aftermath of having to sort the aftermath of having to sort

:15:49. > :15:50.the aftermath of having to sort things out. It is not easy to do

:15:50. > :15:51.things out. It is not easy to do things out. It is not easy to do

:15:51. > :15:54.the right thing every time by the right thing every time by

:15:54. > :15:55.the right thing every time by everybody and for everybody. That

:15:55. > :15:56.everybody and for everybody. That everybody and for everybody. That

:15:56. > :15:57.everybody and for everybody. That is why I think we should sort it

:15:57. > :15:58.is why I think we should sort it is why I think we should sort it

:15:58. > :15:59.out ourselves beforehand. We should out ourselves beforehand. We should

:15:59. > :16:03.out ourselves beforehand. We should out ourselves beforehand. We should

:16:03. > :16:04.not leave them that mess to sort not leave them that mess to sort

:16:04. > :16:05.not leave them that mess to sort not leave them that mess to sort

:16:05. > :16:06.out. If my wishes were not carried out. If my wishes were not carried

:16:06. > :16:07.out. If my wishes were not carried out. If my wishes were not carried

:16:07. > :16:10.out, I would be very sad if that out, I would be very sad if that

:16:10. > :16:10.out, I would be very sad if that caused problems in the family. But

:16:11. > :16:11.caused problems in the family. But caused problems in the family. But

:16:11. > :16:12.caused problems in the family. But I'd be really angry with myself for

:16:12. > :16:16.I'd be really angry with myself for I'd be really angry with myself for

:16:16. > :16:17.not making it completely watertight. not making it completely watertight.

:16:17. > :16:18.not making it completely watertight. Wills can be challenged for a

:16:18. > :16:19.Wills can be challenged for a Wills can be challenged for a

:16:19. > :16:22.number of reasons. Not written number of reasons. Not written

:16:22. > :16:23.number of reasons. Not written properly. Not signed. But also if

:16:23. > :16:25.properly. Not signed. But also if properly. Not signed. But also if

:16:25. > :16:26.properly. Not signed. But also if they do not provide for a child. So

:16:26. > :16:27.they do not provide for a child. So they do not provide for a child. So

:16:27. > :16:30.if you really want to exclude if you really want to exclude

:16:30. > :16:32.if you really want to exclude someone from your will, can you?

:16:32. > :16:33.someone from your will, can you? someone from your will, can you?

:16:33. > :16:39.someone from your will, can you? It is possible to try to exclude a

:16:39. > :16:40.It is possible to try to exclude a It is possible to try to exclude a

:16:40. > :16:41.It is possible to try to exclude a child from a will. The best thing

:16:41. > :16:42.child from a will. The best thing child from a will. The best thing

:16:42. > :16:43.child from a will. The best thing when making a will is to write a

:16:43. > :16:44.when making a will is to write a when making a will is to write a

:16:44. > :16:45.when making a will is to write a letter to be kept with the will

:16:45. > :16:46.letter to be kept with the will letter to be kept with the will

:16:46. > :16:47.explaining why the child is left explaining why the child is left

:16:47. > :16:50.explaining why the child is left out. And review that regularly, for

:16:50. > :16:51.out. And review that regularly, for example, every two years.

:16:51. > :16:52.example, every two years. example, every two years.

:16:52. > :16:53.example, every two years. And if you decide to challenge a

:16:53. > :16:56.And if you decide to challenge a And if you decide to challenge a

:16:56. > :16:57.will, you may risk everything. will, you may risk everything.

:16:57. > :16:58.will, you may risk everything. Christine Gill used her savings and

:16:58. > :16:59.Christine Gill used her savings and Christine Gill used her savings and

:16:59. > :17:00.mortgaged her house to hire the mortgaged her house to hire the

:17:00. > :17:06.mortgaged her house to hire the best solicitors she could afford to

:17:06. > :17:08.best solicitors she could afford to best solicitors she could afford to

:17:08. > :17:09.best solicitors she could afford to take on the RSPCA. When you take on

:17:09. > :17:09.take on the RSPCA. When you take on take on the RSPCA. When you take on

:17:09. > :17:12.an organisation like a big charity, an organisation like a big charity,

:17:12. > :17:13.an organisation like a big charity, they have resources behind them.

:17:13. > :17:13.they have resources behind them. they have resources behind them.

:17:13. > :17:15.they have resources behind them. They get the best lawyers, the best

:17:16. > :17:16.They get the best lawyers, the best They get the best lawyers, the best

:17:16. > :17:18.solicitors. Quite early on, this solicitors. Quite early on, this

:17:18. > :17:19.solicitors. Quite early on, this solicitors. Quite early on, this

:17:19. > :17:20.house was put at risk. If we had house was put at risk. If we had

:17:20. > :17:21.house was put at risk. If we had house was put at risk. If we had

:17:21. > :17:23.lost the case, I would not be lost the case, I would not be

:17:23. > :17:24.lost the case, I would not be living here. I would be destitute.

:17:24. > :17:25.living here. I would be destitute. living here. I would be destitute.

:17:25. > :17:26.living here. I would be destitute. If you are going to try and

:17:26. > :17:27.If you are going to try and If you are going to try and

:17:27. > :17:28.If you are going to try and challenge a will, as I did, you

:17:28. > :17:28.challenge a will, as I did, you challenge a will, as I did, you

:17:28. > :17:29.challenge a will, as I did, you cannot just go along and say, well,

:17:29. > :17:32.cannot just go along and say, well, cannot just go along and say, well,

:17:32. > :17:33.cannot just go along and say, well, I do not think this is fair.

:17:33. > :17:34.I do not think this is fair. I do not think this is fair.

:17:34. > :17:36.Because the law does not bother Because the law does not bother

:17:36. > :17:39.Because the law does not bother about fair. It bothers about fact.

:17:39. > :17:40.about fair. It bothers about fact. about fair. It bothers about fact.

:17:40. > :17:41.You need evidence. I was fortunate You need evidence. I was fortunate

:17:41. > :17:43.You need evidence. I was fortunate You need evidence. I was fortunate

:17:43. > :17:48.in that I had lots and lots of in that I had lots and lots of

:17:48. > :17:49.evidence. I had documentary evidence. I had documentary

:17:49. > :17:50.evidence. I had documentary evidence. The things that I was

:17:50. > :17:50.evidence. The things that I was evidence. The things that I was

:17:51. > :17:51.evidence. The things that I was saying I could prove with pieces of

:17:51. > :17:54.saying I could prove with pieces of saying I could prove with pieces of

:17:54. > :17:55.paper, which the courts like. paper, which the courts like.

:17:55. > :17:56.paper, which the courts like. paper, which the courts like.

:17:56. > :17:57.Writing a will is one way of Writing a will is one way of

:17:57. > :17:59.Writing a will is one way of deciding what happens to our loved

:17:59. > :18:00.deciding what happens to our loved deciding what happens to our loved

:18:00. > :18:01.deciding what happens to our loved ones once we're gone. So if you are

:18:01. > :18:02.ones once we're gone. So if you are ones once we're gone. So if you are

:18:02. > :18:03.thinking of excluding a relative, thinking of excluding a relative,

:18:03. > :18:03.thinking of excluding a relative, thinking of excluding a relative,

:18:03. > :18:05.thinking of excluding a relative, it may be best that it is not a

:18:05. > :18:06.it may be best that it is not a it may be best that it is not a

:18:06. > :18:07.complete surprise. After a four- complete surprise. After a four-

:18:07. > :18:08.complete surprise. After a four- year legal battle, Christine won

:18:08. > :18:10.year legal battle, Christine won year legal battle, Christine won

:18:10. > :18:11.her case and got her inheritance. her case and got her inheritance.

:18:11. > :18:12.her case and got her inheritance. her case and got her inheritance.

:18:12. > :18:13.But she just wishes her parents had But she just wishes her parents had

:18:13. > :18:21.But she just wishes her parents had But she just wishes her parents had

:18:21. > :18:22.told her what they had intended to told her what they had intended to

:18:22. > :18:23.told her what they had intended to told her what they had intended to

:18:23. > :18:24.do. If people want to give money to do. If people want to give money to

:18:24. > :18:25.do. If people want to give money to charity, or do not have relatives

:18:25. > :18:26.charity, or do not have relatives charity, or do not have relatives

:18:26. > :18:29.charity, or do not have relatives they want to leave money to, why

:18:29. > :18:30.they want to leave money to, why they want to leave money to, why

:18:30. > :18:31.shouldn't they? But if they had shouldn't they? But if they had

:18:31. > :18:32.shouldn't they? But if they had shouldn't they? But if they had

:18:32. > :18:33.told me in 1993, when the will was told me in 1993, when the will was

:18:33. > :18:34.told me in 1993, when the will was made, then I could have made

:18:34. > :18:35.made, then I could have made made, then I could have made

:18:35. > :18:43.appropriate decisions over what to appropriate decisions over what to

:18:43. > :18:43.Under the ground, our history is Under the ground, our history is

:18:43. > :18:46.Under the ground, our history is buried. Who knows what treasures

:18:46. > :18:47.buried. Who knows what treasures buried. Who knows what treasures

:18:47. > :18:49.buried. Who knows what treasures could be right here? It is part of

:18:49. > :18:49.could be right here? It is part of could be right here? It is part of

:18:49. > :18:51.our heritage. But sadly, thieves our heritage. But sadly, thieves

:18:51. > :18:52.our heritage. But sadly, thieves are also after these treasures. But

:18:52. > :18:53.are also after these treasures. But are also after these treasures. But

:18:53. > :18:54.are also after these treasures. But now, there is a new scheme to help

:18:54. > :18:55.now, there is a new scheme to help catch them. Archaeologist Ben

:18:55. > :18:56.catch them. Archaeologist Ben catch them. Archaeologist Ben

:18:56. > :19:06.Robinson came face to face with Robinson came face to face with

:19:06. > :19:10.

:19:10. > :19:11.My name is Ben Robinson. As an My name is Ben Robinson. As an

:19:11. > :19:12.archaeologist working with English archaeologist working with English

:19:12. > :19:13.archaeologist working with English archaeologist working with English

:19:13. > :19:16.Heritage, it is my job to try and Heritage, it is my job to try and

:19:16. > :19:17.protect our most important protect our most important

:19:17. > :19:18.protect our most important archaeological sites. But couple of

:19:18. > :19:19.archaeological sites. But couple of archaeological sites. But couple of

:19:19. > :19:20.archaeological sites. But couple of years ago, I came face to face with

:19:20. > :19:22.years ago, I came face to face with years ago, I came face to face with

:19:22. > :19:23.people intent on stealing our people intent on stealing our

:19:23. > :19:26.people intent on stealing our history. This is Chester Farm in

:19:26. > :19:27.history. This is Chester Farm in history. This is Chester Farm in

:19:27. > :19:28.Northamptonshire. It is a scheduled Northamptonshire. It is a scheduled

:19:28. > :19:29.Northamptonshire. It is a scheduled monument and one of the most

:19:29. > :19:33.monument and one of the most important historic places in

:19:33. > :19:34.important historic places in important historic places in

:19:34. > :19:36.England. That means this land has England. That means this land has

:19:37. > :19:38.England. That means this land has the highest legal protection. It is

:19:38. > :19:39.the highest legal protection. It is the highest legal protection. It is

:19:39. > :19:42.to stop anyone searching or digging to stop anyone searching or digging

:19:42. > :19:43.here without official permission. here without official permission.

:19:43. > :19:45.here without official permission. This is an absolutely brilliant

:19:45. > :19:45.This is an absolutely brilliant This is an absolutely brilliant

:19:45. > :19:47.site. There is evidence going right site. There is evidence going right

:19:47. > :19:49.site. There is evidence going right back to the Mesolithic period.

:19:49. > :19:50.back to the Mesolithic period. Hunter-gatherers were here. But

:19:50. > :19:52.Hunter-gatherers were here. But Hunter-gatherers were here. But

:19:52. > :19:53.there is also a medieval settlement. there is also a medieval settlement.

:19:53. > :19:54.there is also a medieval settlement. An entire village now lost and

:19:54. > :19:55.An entire village now lost and abandoned. But most importantly,

:19:55. > :19:56.abandoned. But most importantly, abandoned. But most importantly,

:19:56. > :19:58.abandoned. But most importantly, there is also the remains of a

:19:59. > :19:59.there is also the remains of a there is also the remains of a

:19:59. > :20:01.there is also the remains of a Roman town. I am standing right on

:20:01. > :20:02.Roman town. I am standing right on Roman town. I am standing right on

:20:02. > :20:03.its walls. And buried beneath the its walls. And buried beneath the

:20:03. > :20:04.its walls. And buried beneath the ground, there is the remains of

:20:04. > :20:05.ground, there is the remains of ground, there is the remains of

:20:05. > :20:06.everything you would expect in a everything you would expect in a

:20:06. > :20:08.well-appointed Roman town. Places well-appointed Roman town. Places

:20:08. > :20:09.well-appointed Roman town. Places where people lived. Shops, temples,

:20:09. > :20:12.where people lived. Shops, temples, where people lived. Shops, temples,

:20:12. > :20:13.shrines. All buried under the turf. shrines. All buried under the turf.

:20:13. > :20:20.shrines. All buried under the turf. But this incredible history is at

:20:20. > :20:21.But this incredible history is at But this incredible history is at

:20:21. > :20:21.risk. Despite this site being risk. Despite this site being

:20:21. > :20:22.risk. Despite this site being scheduled with legal protection and

:20:22. > :20:23.scheduled with legal protection and scheduled with legal protection and

:20:23. > :20:24.the presence of security guards, the presence of security guards,

:20:24. > :20:25.the presence of security guards, almost every night, people with

:20:25. > :20:26.almost every night, people with almost every night, people with

:20:26. > :20:27.metal detectors are intent on metal detectors are intent on

:20:27. > :20:28.metal detectors are intent on breaking the law. So called night

:20:28. > :20:29.breaking the law. So called night breaking the law. So called night

:20:29. > :20:30.hawkers, they were coming almost hawkers, they were coming almost

:20:30. > :20:33.hawkers, they were coming almost every night intent on looting

:20:33. > :20:34.every night intent on looting artefacts. Things were obviously

:20:34. > :20:37.artefacts. Things were obviously artefacts. Things were obviously

:20:37. > :20:38.artefacts. Things were obviously getting out of hand down here. So a

:20:38. > :20:39.getting out of hand down here. So a getting out of hand down here. So a

:20:39. > :20:40.colleague and I decided to come colleague and I decided to come

:20:40. > :20:41.colleague and I decided to come down one evening after work and

:20:41. > :20:42.down one evening after work and investigate further. Unbelievably,

:20:42. > :20:43.investigate further. Unbelievably, investigate further. Unbelievably,

:20:43. > :20:44.investigate further. Unbelievably, investigate further. Unbelievably,

:20:44. > :20:45.as we got to this point, we saw two as we got to this point, we saw two

:20:45. > :20:46.as we got to this point, we saw two people with detectors in the field

:20:46. > :20:47.people with detectors in the field people with detectors in the field

:20:47. > :20:49.people with detectors in the field over there. We could see they were

:20:49. > :20:49.over there. We could see they were over there. We could see they were

:20:49. > :20:50.using detectors. And as they using detectors. And as they

:20:50. > :20:51.using detectors. And as they spotted us, it was obvious that

:20:51. > :20:52.spotted us, it was obvious that spotted us, it was obvious that

:20:52. > :20:54.spotted us, it was obvious that they did not want to hang around

:20:54. > :20:55.they did not want to hang around they did not want to hang around

:20:55. > :20:56.they did not want to hang around for a conversation. To cut a long

:20:56. > :20:56.for a conversation. To cut a long for a conversation. To cut a long

:20:56. > :20:57.story short, when the police story short, when the police

:20:57. > :20:58.arrived, they were eventually arrived, they were eventually

:20:58. > :21:05.arrived, they were eventually arrested in that tree belt over

:21:05. > :21:06.arrested in that tree belt over arrested in that tree belt over

:21:06. > :21:07.there. The full extent of the there. The full extent of the

:21:07. > :21:08.there. The full extent of the damage was revealed. It was clear

:21:08. > :21:09.damage was revealed. It was clear damage was revealed. It was clear

:21:09. > :21:11.damage was revealed. It was clear they had been on the site for some

:21:11. > :21:12.they had been on the site for some they had been on the site for some

:21:12. > :21:14.time. There were trenches and holes time. There were trenches and holes

:21:14. > :21:15.time. There were trenches and holes time. There were trenches and holes

:21:15. > :21:16.dug to get the artefacts out. When dug to get the artefacts out. When

:21:16. > :21:17.dug to get the artefacts out. When their homes were raided, police

:21:17. > :21:17.their homes were raided, police their homes were raided, police

:21:17. > :21:21.their homes were raided, police found a large number of Iron Age,

:21:21. > :21:22.found a large number of Iron Age, found a large number of Iron Age,

:21:22. > :21:23.Roman and medieval coins. Local Roman and medieval coins. Local

:21:23. > :21:23.councillor Heather Smith is councillor Heather Smith is

:21:23. > :21:26.councillor Heather Smith is passionate about Chester Farm and

:21:26. > :21:33.passionate about Chester Farm and Northamptonshire's history. She is

:21:33. > :21:34.Northamptonshire's history. She is Northamptonshire's history. She is

:21:34. > :21:35.outraged. People coming in and outraged. People coming in and

:21:35. > :21:36.outraged. People coming in and outraged. People coming in and

:21:36. > :21:37.thinking it is all right to just thinking it is all right to just

:21:37. > :21:40.thinking it is all right to just thinking it is all right to just

:21:40. > :21:41.dig a great big trench using spades. dig a great big trench using spades.

:21:41. > :21:42.dig a great big trench using spades. dig a great big trench using spades.

:21:42. > :21:42.And take away what they find for And take away what they find for

:21:43. > :21:44.And take away what they find for their own personal gain is

:21:44. > :21:45.their own personal gain is their own personal gain is

:21:45. > :21:46.absolutely disgusting. It is not absolutely disgusting. It is not

:21:46. > :21:47.absolutely disgusting. It is not just the value of the artefacts

:21:47. > :21:48.just the value of the artefacts just the value of the artefacts

:21:48. > :21:51.that is important. It is the that is important. It is the

:21:51. > :21:52.that is important. It is the context of where they were found.

:21:52. > :21:53.context of where they were found. context of where they were found.

:21:53. > :21:53.context of where they were found. context of where they were found.

:21:53. > :21:54.We just end up with a big bag of We just end up with a big bag of

:21:54. > :21:55.We just end up with a big bag of coins that could have been taken

:21:55. > :21:57.coins that could have been taken coins that could have been taken

:21:57. > :21:58.from anywhere on the site. Instead from anywhere on the site. Instead

:21:58. > :21:59.from anywhere on the site. Instead from anywhere on the site. Instead

:21:59. > :22:00.of us being able to say, there was of us being able to say, there was

:22:00. > :22:02.of us being able to say, there was a house here. Someone was living

:22:02. > :22:03.a house here. Someone was living a house here. Someone was living

:22:03. > :22:05.here. And they had buried here. And they had buried

:22:05. > :22:06.here. And they had buried themselves some of their wealth.

:22:06. > :22:08.themselves some of their wealth. themselves some of their wealth.

:22:08. > :22:09.themselves some of their wealth. That has been dug up and taken. We

:22:09. > :22:10.That has been dug up and taken. We That has been dug up and taken. We

:22:10. > :22:11.That has been dug up and taken. We do not know what was there and we

:22:11. > :22:17.do not know what was there and we do not know what was there and we

:22:17. > :22:18.cannot build that story any more. cannot build that story any more.

:22:18. > :22:19.cannot build that story any more. cannot build that story any more.

:22:19. > :22:20.But Chester Farm proved to be a But Chester Farm proved to be a

:22:20. > :22:21.But Chester Farm proved to be a landmark case. Darren West and

:22:21. > :22:23.landmark case. Darren West and Peter Cox appeared before

:22:23. > :22:23.Peter Cox appeared before Peter Cox appeared before

:22:23. > :22:24.Northampton Crown Court just before Northampton Crown Court just before

:22:24. > :22:30.Christmas. They admitted stealing Christmas. They admitted stealing

:22:30. > :22:31.Christmas. They admitted stealing artefacts from the site. They

:22:31. > :22:32.artefacts from the site. They artefacts from the site. They

:22:32. > :22:33.received the penalties ever given received the penalties ever given

:22:33. > :22:35.to metal detectorists, including to metal detectorists, including

:22:35. > :22:36.to metal detectorists, including ASBOs banning them from detecting.

:22:36. > :22:36.ASBOs banning them from detecting. ASBOs banning them from detecting.

:22:36. > :22:38.ASBOs banning them from detecting. It is the first time such a

:22:38. > :22:39.It is the first time such a It is the first time such a

:22:39. > :22:40.It is the first time such a punishment has been used. It is a

:22:40. > :22:42.punishment has been used. It is a punishment has been used. It is a

:22:42. > :22:43.sign the authorities are getting sign the authorities are getting

:22:43. > :22:43.sign the authorities are getting sign the authorities are getting

:22:43. > :22:47.tough. Mark Harrison used to be a tough. Mark Harrison used to be a

:22:47. > :22:48.tough. Mark Harrison used to be a police chief inspector. He has now

:22:48. > :22:49.police chief inspector. He has now become English Heritage's first

:22:49. > :22:52.become English Heritage's first become English Heritage's first

:22:52. > :22:53.national policing and crime adviser. national policing and crime adviser.

:22:53. > :22:55.national policing and crime adviser. And illegal metal detecting is a

:22:55. > :22:56.And illegal metal detecting is a And illegal metal detecting is a

:22:56. > :22:57.major priority. Certainly, the case major priority. Certainly, the case

:22:57. > :22:58.major priority. Certainly, the case of Cox and West in Northamptonshire

:22:58. > :23:00.of Cox and West in Northamptonshire of Cox and West in Northamptonshire

:23:00. > :23:01.of Cox and West in Northamptonshire of Cox and West in Northamptonshire

:23:01. > :23:02.is a big step forward for us. A big is a big step forward for us. A big

:23:02. > :23:03.is a big step forward for us. A big investigation where we used people

:23:03. > :23:04.investigation where we used people investigation where we used people

:23:04. > :23:06.with the right skills doing their with the right skills doing their

:23:06. > :23:07.with the right skills doing their part in the investigation. Police

:23:07. > :23:10.officers, detectives, officers, detectives,

:23:10. > :23:11.archaeologists, finds experts. All archaeologists, finds experts. All

:23:11. > :23:16.coming together, coordinating to coming together, coordinating to

:23:16. > :23:17.coming together, coordinating to provide the best evidence.

:23:17. > :23:18.provide the best evidence. prosecution has highlighted the

:23:18. > :23:18.prosecution has highlighted the prosecution has highlighted the

:23:18. > :23:19.growing problem of heritage crime growing problem of heritage crime

:23:19. > :23:27.growing problem of heritage crime growing problem of heritage crime

:23:27. > :23:28.and how it is dealt with by the and how it is dealt with by the

:23:28. > :23:29.and how it is dealt with by the police. One major breakthrough has

:23:29. > :23:30.police. One major breakthrough has been bringing archaeologists, such

:23:30. > :23:32.been bringing archaeologists, such been bringing archaeologists, such

:23:32. > :23:33.as Andrew Richardson, on board as as Andrew Richardson, on board as

:23:33. > :23:37.volunteers. They bring specialist volunteers. They bring specialist

:23:37. > :23:38.knowledge to investigations. knowledge to investigations.

:23:38. > :23:39.value of bringing archaeologists value of bringing archaeologists

:23:39. > :23:40.value of bringing archaeologists value of bringing archaeologists

:23:40. > :23:41.into it is that we have skills that into it is that we have skills that

:23:41. > :23:42.into it is that we have skills that into it is that we have skills that

:23:42. > :23:43.very few other people have in terms very few other people have in terms

:23:43. > :23:44.very few other people have in terms of identifying artefacts. Or seeing

:23:44. > :23:45.of identifying artefacts. Or seeing of identifying artefacts. Or seeing

:23:46. > :23:46.precisely what has been damaged in precisely what has been damaged in

:23:46. > :23:49.precisely what has been damaged in precisely what has been damaged in

:23:49. > :23:50.the ground and what the impact of the ground and what the impact of

:23:50. > :23:51.the ground and what the impact of the ground and what the impact of

:23:51. > :23:52.the ground and what the impact of that is. I have found that a lot of

:23:52. > :23:53.that is. I have found that a lot of that is. I have found that a lot of

:23:53. > :23:54.the police officers that I have the police officers that I have

:23:54. > :23:55.the police officers that I have worked with over long periods have

:23:55. > :23:56.worked with over long periods have worked with over long periods have

:23:56. > :23:57.very rapidly developed quite a lot very rapidly developed quite a lot

:23:57. > :23:59.very rapidly developed quite a lot of skills and expertise in this

:23:59. > :24:00.of skills and expertise in this of skills and expertise in this

:24:00. > :24:01.of skills and expertise in this area. At the end of the day, what

:24:01. > :24:03.area. At the end of the day, what area. At the end of the day, what

:24:03. > :24:04.area. At the end of the day, what we want here is no crime. And our

:24:04. > :24:05.we want here is no crime. And our we want here is no crime. And our

:24:05. > :24:06.heritage protected. Because if it heritage protected. Because if it

:24:06. > :24:07.heritage protected. Because if it carries on at this rate, there

:24:07. > :24:07.carries on at this rate, there carries on at this rate, there

:24:07. > :24:09.carries on at this rate, there might not be any heritage left for

:24:09. > :24:10.future generations. future generations.

:24:10. > :24:12.future generations. future generations.

:24:12. > :24:13.But it is not all bad news. The But it is not all bad news. The

:24:13. > :24:15.But it is not all bad news. The vast majority of detectorists do so

:24:15. > :24:16.vast majority of detectorists do so vast majority of detectorists do so

:24:16. > :24:18.within the law and was full within the law and was full

:24:18. > :24:20.within the law and was full protection of the landowners. Like

:24:20. > :24:22.protection of the landowners. Like protection of the landowners. Like

:24:22. > :24:23.these ones. Sometimes, they are these ones. Sometimes, they are

:24:23. > :24:24.finding things archaeologists mess. finding things archaeologists mess.

:24:24. > :24:27.finding things archaeologists mess. finding things archaeologists mess.

:24:27. > :24:28.I met up with them last summer. I met up with them last summer.

:24:28. > :24:29.I met up with them last summer. I met up with them last summer.

:24:29. > :24:32.Really nice stuff does not come up Really nice stuff does not come up

:24:32. > :24:33.Really nice stuff does not come up Really nice stuff does not come up

:24:33. > :24:34.all that down. You will find it all that down. You will find it

:24:34. > :24:38.all that down. You will find it rubbish, not important stuff for

:24:38. > :24:39.rubbish, not important stuff for rubbish, not important stuff for

:24:39. > :24:43.rubbish, not important stuff for years, that is all. I have never

:24:43. > :24:44.years, that is all. I have never years, that is all. I have never

:24:44. > :24:45.years, that is all. I have never found a Saxon yet. This one is

:24:45. > :24:50.found a Saxon yet. This one is particularly appropriate to where

:24:50. > :24:51.particularly appropriate to where particularly appropriate to where

:24:51. > :24:59.particularly appropriate to where particularly appropriate to where

:24:59. > :24:59.we are now. It is a 50 BC gold we are now. It is a 50 BC gold

:24:59. > :25:01.we are now. It is a 50 BC gold Stater. I probably will screen the

:25:01. > :25:03.Stater. I probably will screen the Stater. I probably will screen the

:25:03. > :25:04.whole country before finding a whole country before finding a

:25:04. > :25:05.Saxon. Sometimes, something really Saxon. Sometimes, something really

:25:05. > :25:06.Saxon. Sometimes, something really Saxon. Sometimes, something really

:25:06. > :25:08.nice will come up, which is what nice will come up, which is what

:25:08. > :25:11.nice will come up, which is what happened with that, a Saxon Broads.

:25:11. > :25:13.happened with that, a Saxon Broads. happened with that, a Saxon Broads.

:25:13. > :25:16.happened with that, a Saxon Broads. Very unusual style. It is about 9th

:25:16. > :25:17.Very unusual style. It is about 9th Very unusual style. It is about 9th

:25:17. > :25:18.Very unusual style. It is about 9th or 10th century was that if you are

:25:18. > :25:20.or 10th century was that if you are or 10th century was that if you are

:25:20. > :25:22.looking, you will find them. Tens looking, you will find them. Tens

:25:23. > :25:24.looking, you will find them. Tens of thousands of artefacts are found

:25:24. > :25:25.of thousands of artefacts are found of thousands of artefacts are found

:25:25. > :25:27.each year. For archaeologists, it each year. For archaeologists, it

:25:27. > :25:28.each year. For archaeologists, it is important to know exactly where

:25:28. > :25:29.is important to know exactly where is important to know exactly where

:25:29. > :25:30.is important to know exactly where those fines are made. That is where

:25:30. > :25:31.those fines are made. That is where the Portable antiquities scheme

:25:31. > :25:34.the Portable antiquities scheme the Portable antiquities scheme

:25:34. > :25:35.comes in, it is voluntary, comes in, it is voluntary,

:25:35. > :25:37.comes in, it is voluntary, recording finds made by people like

:25:37. > :25:39.recording finds made by people like recording finds made by people like

:25:39. > :25:40.detectorists. The metal itself is detectorists. The metal itself is

:25:40. > :25:43.detectorists. The metal itself is corroded, but the enamel has

:25:43. > :25:43.corroded, but the enamel has corroded, but the enamel has

:25:43. > :25:44.survived. Quite often, the end than survived. Quite often, the end than

:25:44. > :25:48.survived. Quite often, the end than survived. Quite often, the end than

:25:48. > :25:48.him -- quite often, the enamel is him -- quite often, the enamel is

:25:48. > :25:49.him -- quite often, the enamel is missing... A network of liaison

:25:49. > :25:50.missing... A network of liaison missing... A network of liaison

:25:51. > :25:51.officers spans the country. Today, officers spans the country. Today,

:25:51. > :25:52.officers spans the country. Today, officers spans the country. Today,

:25:52. > :25:54.she has come to meet them to see she has come to meet them to see

:25:54. > :25:55.she has come to meet them to see she has come to meet them to see

:25:55. > :25:57.what the hell on earth. One of the what the hell on earth. One of the

:25:57. > :25:58.exciting things about archaeology exciting things about archaeology

:25:58. > :25:59.exciting things about archaeology exciting things about archaeology

:25:59. > :26:00.exciting things about archaeology is you do not know what is there.

:26:00. > :26:01.is you do not know what is there. is you do not know what is there.

:26:01. > :26:02.is you do not know what is there. - to see what they have found.

:26:02. > :26:03.- to see what they have found. - to see what they have found.

:26:03. > :26:05.- to see what they have found. cannot see it as it is under the

:26:05. > :26:06.cannot see it as it is under the cannot see it as it is under the

:26:06. > :26:08.ground. If you have someone metal ground. If you have someone metal

:26:08. > :26:09.ground. If you have someone metal detecting on a field, retrieving

:26:09. > :26:10.detecting on a field, retrieving detecting on a field, retrieving

:26:10. > :26:11.detecting on a field, retrieving fines next into the soil, it could

:26:11. > :26:13.fines next into the soil, it could fines next into the soil, it could

:26:13. > :26:14.fines next into the soil, it could be that is the first evidence we

:26:14. > :26:15.be that is the first evidence we be that is the first evidence we

:26:15. > :26:16.have on anything archaeological in have on anything archaeological in

:26:16. > :26:18.have on anything archaeological in that period. We may have suspected

:26:18. > :26:19.that period. We may have suspected that period. We may have suspected

:26:19. > :26:20.it was there, but until someone it was there, but until someone

:26:20. > :26:22.it was there, but until someone it was there, but until someone

:26:22. > :26:23.brings it assures us, we do not brings it assures us, we do not

:26:23. > :26:25.brings it assures us, we do not know. And every now and again,

:26:25. > :26:26.know. And every now and again, know. And every now and again,

:26:26. > :26:28.something remarkable comes to the something remarkable comes to the

:26:28. > :26:30.something remarkable comes to the surface that might never have been

:26:30. > :26:31.surface that might never have been found using traditional archaeology.

:26:31. > :26:32.found using traditional archaeology. found using traditional archaeology.

:26:32. > :26:37.found using traditional archaeology. A few years back, and they struck

:26:37. > :26:39.A few years back, and they struck A few years back, and they struck

:26:39. > :26:41.the jackpot. -- Andrew struck the jackpot.

:26:41. > :26:44.jackpot. jackpot.

:26:44. > :26:46.Metalwork, what an exciting find. Metalwork, what an exciting find.

:26:46. > :26:48.Metalwork, what an exciting find. Yes. Bits of weapons here, swords,

:26:48. > :26:48.Yes. Bits of weapons here, swords, Yes. Bits of weapons here, swords,

:26:48. > :26:49.Yes. Bits of weapons here, swords, so forth, but other items that give

:26:49. > :26:50.so forth, but other items that give so forth, but other items that give

:26:50. > :26:52.so forth, but other items that give so forth, but other items that give

:26:52. > :26:54.a clue as to what this is all about. a clue as to what this is all about.

:26:54. > :26:59.a clue as to what this is all about. a clue as to what this is all about.

:26:59. > :27:01.This is what is called a Founders This is what is called a Founders

:27:01. > :27:01.This is what is called a Founders This is what is called a Founders

:27:02. > :27:02.Hall. -- founders of find. It is Hall. -- founders of find. It is

:27:02. > :27:04.Hall. -- founders of find. It is like to someone who operated a

:27:04. > :27:04.like to someone who operated a like to someone who operated a

:27:04. > :27:06.like to someone who operated a foundry. It has been in the ground

:27:06. > :27:07.foundry. It has been in the ground foundry. It has been in the ground

:27:07. > :27:09.for nearly 3,000 years Wales for nearly 3,000 years Wales

:27:09. > :27:09.for nearly 3,000 years Wales history rolls back. This is the

:27:09. > :27:11.history rolls back. This is the history rolls back. This is the

:27:11. > :27:13.history rolls back. This is the only link to that person. It is

:27:13. > :27:15.only link to that person. It is amazing, particularly these

:27:15. > :27:16.amazing, particularly these amazing, particularly these

:27:16. > :27:20.woodworking tools. There is a woodworking tools. There is a

:27:20. > :27:22.woodworking tools. There is a complete set. Maybe this was an

:27:22. > :27:23.complete set. Maybe this was an complete set. Maybe this was an

:27:23. > :27:25.order, maybe some Carpenter had order, maybe some Carpenter had

:27:25. > :27:26.order, maybe some Carpenter had order, maybe some Carpenter had

:27:26. > :27:27.ordered a complete set. We have no ordered a complete set. We have no

:27:27. > :27:29.ordered a complete set. We have no ordered a complete set. We have no

:27:29. > :27:30.idea what they would be used for. idea what they would be used for.

:27:30. > :27:32.idea what they would be used for. idea what they would be used for.

:27:32. > :27:32.The truth of the matter is, if we The truth of the matter is, if we

:27:32. > :27:34.The truth of the matter is, if we are to protect our heritage,

:27:34. > :27:36.are to protect our heritage, are to protect our heritage,

:27:36. > :27:37.archaeologists have to work with archaeologists have to work with

:27:37. > :27:39.archaeologists have to work with the police, work but landowners,

:27:39. > :27:41.the police, work but landowners, the police, work but landowners,

:27:41. > :27:42.and with it responsible medal and with it responsible medal

:27:42. > :27:42.and with it responsible medal detectorists, to ensure there is

:27:42. > :27:48.detectorists, to ensure there is detectorists, to ensure there is

:27:48. > :27:50.nowhere for the thieves to hide. nowhere for the thieves to hide.

:27:50. > :27:51.nowhere for the thieves to hide. Well, that's it from Milton Keynes.

:27:51. > :27:52.Well, that's it from Milton Keynes. Well, that's it from Milton Keynes.

:27:52. > :27:53.Well, that's it from Milton Keynes. If there is anything you think we

:27:53. > :27:53.If there is anything you think we If there is anything you think we

:27:53. > :27:54.If there is anything you think we should be looking into here on the

:27:54. > :27:56.should be looking into here on the should be looking into here on the

:27:57. > :27:58.should be looking into here on the programme, send me an e-mail. Or I

:27:58. > :27:59.programme, send me an e-mail. Or I programme, send me an e-mail. Or I

:27:59. > :28:00.programme, send me an e-mail. Or I am on Twitter. I will see you next

:28:00. > :28:01.am on Twitter. I will see you next am on Twitter. I will see you next

:28:01. > :28:02.am on Twitter. I will see you next week, when I will be back with

:28:02. > :28:04.week, when I will be back with week, when I will be back with

:28:04. > :28:05.these stories from the East. these stories from the East.

:28:05. > :28:06.these stories from the East. these stories from the East.

:28:06. > :28:09.The couple who have chosen to go to The couple who have chosen to go to

:28:09. > :28:10.The couple who have chosen to go to prison rather than leave their home.

:28:10. > :28:11.prison rather than leave their home. prison rather than leave their home.

:28:11. > :28:12.prison rather than leave their home. We are standing up for what we

:28:12. > :28:13.We are standing up for what we We are standing up for what we

:28:13. > :28:14.believed to be principles that we believed to be principles that we

:28:14. > :28:15.believed to be principles that we have. The authorities feel I should

:28:15. > :28:16.have. The authorities feel I should have. The authorities feel I should

:28:16. > :28:17.have. The authorities feel I should be imprisoned for what we have done.

:28:18. > :28:20.be imprisoned for what we have done. be imprisoned for what we have done.

:28:20. > :28:21.It is ridiculous in my opinion. It is ridiculous in my opinion.

:28:21. > :28:22.It is ridiculous in my opinion. It is ridiculous in my opinion.