0:00:03 > 0:00:06We hear the full story of the man evicted from hospital
0:00:06 > 0:00:09after a two-year stay.
0:00:09 > 0:00:13As he gives up his hunger strike and finds some dignity to his life.
0:00:13 > 0:00:14They're playing with my life.
0:00:14 > 0:00:17I control my life.
0:00:17 > 0:00:22Nobody else.
0:00:22 > 0:00:24Police officer numbers are doubled in an effort to tackle
0:00:24 > 0:00:27online child pornography.
0:00:27 > 0:00:30I don't think we'll ever be able to reflect how bad it really
0:00:30 > 0:00:33is in terms of what people are willing to do to
0:00:33 > 0:00:37the most vulnerable people in society, children.
0:00:37 > 0:00:40And be careful if you discover an archaeological treasure.
0:00:40 > 0:00:48It could end up costing you a fortune.
0:00:48 > 0:00:51Revealing the stories that matter closer to home.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53That's tonight's Inside Out.
0:01:02 > 0:01:05Hello and welcome to Gorleston in Norfolk.
0:01:05 > 0:01:06He was one of Britain's's longest staying bed-blockers,
0:01:06 > 0:01:10a patient who was on a ward here for more than two years.
0:01:10 > 0:01:13When he was evicted, the story made national headlines,
0:01:13 > 0:01:15but he didn't get much sympathy.
0:01:15 > 0:01:16But who is he?
0:01:16 > 0:01:19And why did it happen in the first place?
0:01:19 > 0:01:21Debbie Tubby has the exclusive story.
0:01:24 > 0:01:29It's my fight, it's my life, it's my business, all right?
0:01:29 > 0:01:31And the authorities are here to serve the population
0:01:31 > 0:01:36not to oppress them.
0:01:36 > 0:01:39This is a story about a man who's paralysed from the chest down.
0:01:39 > 0:01:41He says he's lost his dignity.
0:01:41 > 0:01:44He's disillusioned with what he sees as a broken care system
0:01:44 > 0:01:48and believes his death is the only way to change it.
0:01:48 > 0:01:51When the eviction was first reported last month,
0:01:51 > 0:01:54we didn't know his name.
0:01:54 > 0:01:56There was outrage when the news broke that a patient
0:01:56 > 0:01:58had been bed-blocking here at the James Paget Hospital
0:01:58 > 0:02:02for almost 2.5 years, at a time when the hospital
0:02:02 > 0:02:07was under huge pressure and was cancelling operations.
0:02:07 > 0:02:10It's probably even more shocking that the BBC has since found out
0:02:10 > 0:02:14that the patient didn't need to be here in the first place.
0:02:14 > 0:02:17His name is Adriano Guedes.
0:02:17 > 0:02:21He's Portuguese and came over here 15 years ago to work.
0:02:21 > 0:02:24He championed migrant rights for the GMB union and volunteered
0:02:24 > 0:02:28with the Citizen's Advice Bureau.
0:02:28 > 0:02:32But in 2008, he had a stroke and his life changed forever.
0:02:32 > 0:02:37He was given a flat, but lost his independence.
0:02:37 > 0:02:41I was in a wheelchair on the second floor without any means of get out
0:02:41 > 0:02:47or come in by my own means.
0:02:47 > 0:02:50Refusing all offers of help, and fed up with seeing 2,000
0:02:50 > 0:02:53different carers in eight years, he forced his own eviction and ended
0:02:53 > 0:02:56up on the street with no home.
0:02:56 > 0:02:59No-one knew what to do so the police took him to hospital.
0:02:59 > 0:03:02Did you need to be in hospital to get help?
0:03:02 > 0:03:06Did you need medical help?
0:03:06 > 0:03:07No, no, no.
0:03:07 > 0:03:08Absolutely nothing.
0:03:08 > 0:03:12There is no reason at all for me to be sent to the hospital.
0:03:12 > 0:03:17This sign says it all - bedrest.
0:03:17 > 0:03:19Trapped in a cycle of NHS and council care bureaucracy,
0:03:19 > 0:03:21he tried a hunger strike.
0:03:21 > 0:03:22It didn't change a thing.
0:03:22 > 0:03:25In December last year, the hospital went to court to evict him.
0:03:25 > 0:03:27I tracked him to a council flat in Suffolk.
0:03:27 > 0:03:29He was cut off from the outside world.
0:03:29 > 0:03:39It hadn't even been adapted for his needs.
0:03:44 > 0:03:45There's nothing here for me.
0:03:45 > 0:03:46Nothing.
0:03:46 > 0:03:47Absolutely nothing.
0:03:47 > 0:03:49What's it like living in this room?
0:03:49 > 0:03:50I'm just waiting for a way out.
0:03:50 > 0:03:52Either things work out or I pass away.
0:03:52 > 0:03:55He tells me what happened in the hours after he was evicted
0:03:55 > 0:04:00from the hospital in a basic wheelchair.
0:04:00 > 0:04:02They were trying to convince me, force me, in a way,
0:04:02 > 0:04:03to come into this place.
0:04:03 > 0:04:11I decided I would stay on the pavement.
0:04:11 > 0:04:14The stand-off lasted seven hours, in near freezing conditions.
0:04:14 > 0:04:15This man saw what happened.
0:04:15 > 0:04:17He didn't want to show his face.
0:04:17 > 0:04:18I thought it was just so inhumane.
0:04:18 > 0:04:21The authorities just got it wrong totally.
0:04:21 > 0:04:29There was no compassion.
0:04:29 > 0:04:31Eventually, Mr Guedes agreed to go inside, but collapsed.
0:04:31 > 0:04:36It was a further three hours before paramedics lifted him into bed.
0:04:36 > 0:04:38It's now mid-January, and he's on his second hunger strike
0:04:38 > 0:04:43in a flat he can't get around.
0:04:43 > 0:04:44This is the lounge.
0:04:44 > 0:04:46As you can see, it's got nothing in it.
0:04:46 > 0:04:49If you come through here to the kitchen you can see
0:04:49 > 0:04:52there is a pile of food that hasn't been touched at all
0:04:52 > 0:04:55since he's been here.
0:04:55 > 0:04:58If you look in the fridge there are just some juices at the bottom.
0:04:58 > 0:05:01Of course, he's drinking, but it's the food he's not eating.
0:05:01 > 0:05:02You haven't eaten now for 20 days.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04Yeah.
0:05:04 > 0:05:05How are you feeling?
0:05:05 > 0:05:12Weaker, but I'm still here.
0:05:12 > 0:05:15All the authorities insist they've repeatedly tried to help him
0:05:15 > 0:05:18and they've shown him compassionate.
0:05:18 > 0:05:21Maybe he's becoming his own worst enemy.
0:05:21 > 0:05:25So how can the stalemate be broken?
0:05:25 > 0:05:26It's this man's job to try again.
0:05:26 > 0:05:29He's a council housing officer and he wants to show me
0:05:29 > 0:05:32what he's up against.
0:05:32 > 0:05:35Good morning, Mr Guedes.
0:05:35 > 0:05:38How are you today?
0:05:38 > 0:05:40Adriano is not keen to talk about his accommodation.
0:05:40 > 0:05:44He wants his own electric wheelchair back.
0:05:44 > 0:05:46Housing is not my priority at the moment.
0:05:46 > 0:05:47OK.
0:05:47 > 0:05:51It never was since they took my wheelchair away from me.
0:05:51 > 0:05:52Right.
0:05:52 > 0:05:54The wheelchair is my priority.
0:05:54 > 0:06:00The wheelchair is one of the reasons I am on hunger strike.
0:06:00 > 0:06:03So how does that fit into your housing situation?
0:06:03 > 0:06:10I would like to find out a little more.
0:06:10 > 0:06:13My friend, without my wheelchair I don't even
0:06:13 > 0:06:13want to think about housing.
0:06:13 > 0:06:20Adriano is venting his anger against the wrong authority.
0:06:20 > 0:06:22Mr Kodhelaj can only help him with housing.
0:06:22 > 0:06:24They are playing with my life.
0:06:24 > 0:06:24It's my life.
0:06:24 > 0:06:26I control my life.
0:06:26 > 0:06:27Nobody else.
0:06:27 > 0:06:28Goddamn it, enough!
0:06:28 > 0:06:30That's enough!
0:06:30 > 0:06:32Leave me on the pavement.
0:06:32 > 0:06:33I don't care.
0:06:33 > 0:06:37That is enough.
0:06:37 > 0:06:46I am sick of having the authorities deciding where I should
0:06:50 > 0:06:53live, when I should eat, how much I eat, how much I drink.
0:06:53 > 0:06:54Goddamn it, enough!
0:06:54 > 0:06:55Leave me alone.
0:06:55 > 0:06:57I think the council is trying to help.
0:06:57 > 0:07:00No, the council is trying to help me in the wrong way.
0:07:00 > 0:07:02Why don't you agree to having a wheelchair assessment?
0:07:02 > 0:07:04You can get your wheelchair and then get your housing sorted.
0:07:04 > 0:07:06Until you do that and start working with people,
0:07:07 > 0:07:08it's not going to happen.
0:07:08 > 0:07:10I will say yes to what fits me.
0:07:10 > 0:07:13Anything else is no.
0:07:13 > 0:07:15It's now early February, more than three weeks
0:07:15 > 0:07:16since his last meal.
0:07:16 > 0:07:20There's not much left of him.
0:07:20 > 0:07:21Why are you just giving up?
0:07:21 > 0:07:23I am not giving up, I am fighting.
0:07:23 > 0:07:25You haven't eaten for 24 days.
0:07:25 > 0:07:29What is going to make you start?
0:07:29 > 0:07:33The wheelchair.
0:07:40 > 0:07:41Hello, Adriano.
0:07:41 > 0:07:42How are you?
0:07:42 > 0:07:46Another visitor.
0:07:46 > 0:07:48But, this time, not an authority figure.
0:07:48 > 0:07:50Patrick Thompson has supported patients' rights for four decades.
0:07:50 > 0:07:53What's gone on in the past, we can forget about.
0:07:53 > 0:07:56We've now got to get you sorted and straight and living
0:07:56 > 0:07:58with your dignity and your respect back to normal.
0:07:58 > 0:08:04Yes?
0:08:04 > 0:08:06And we're going to do it, aren't we?
0:08:06 > 0:08:07Yeah.
0:08:07 > 0:08:09Between us.
0:08:09 > 0:08:13And within a few minutes, he's achieved what others failed to do.
0:08:13 > 0:08:15Tomorrow we can start eating again.
0:08:15 > 0:08:18Slowly.
0:08:18 > 0:08:23One little mouthful at a time and one thing at a time.
0:08:23 > 0:08:27Adriano agrees to give up his 24-day hunger strike.
0:08:27 > 0:08:31So what did you do to change his mind?
0:08:31 > 0:08:36Well, I just think it shows that you have to have compassion and be
0:08:36 > 0:08:43with a person completely to show they are worth being here
0:08:43 > 0:08:48and showing that the system can work for them.
0:08:48 > 0:08:50If you hadn't persuaded him to go back to eating,
0:08:50 > 0:08:56how bad do you think it would have gone?
0:08:56 > 0:08:58We would have ended up with an inquest and then the fingers
0:08:59 > 0:09:02would have been pointed.
0:09:02 > 0:09:04Ten days ago, we returned.
0:09:04 > 0:09:10Adriano is slowly putting on weight.
0:09:10 > 0:09:12It's nice to see you smiling and looking well.
0:09:12 > 0:09:14Good.
0:09:14 > 0:09:16I've been to see the lady about the wheelchair.
0:09:16 > 0:09:20I've also had a meeting with...
0:09:20 > 0:09:23Patrick is true to his word.
0:09:23 > 0:09:25I've got a meeting arranged with Great Yarmouth
0:09:25 > 0:09:27Borough Council Housing.
0:09:27 > 0:09:28That's my understanding of co-operation.
0:09:28 > 0:09:30Yes, that's it.
0:09:30 > 0:09:33At last he feels he's being listened to.
0:09:33 > 0:09:36He's still in the same bed, still without a wheelchair.
0:09:36 > 0:09:41What he has got back though, is his dignity.
0:09:41 > 0:09:44It makes me feel I'm not alone.
0:09:44 > 0:09:51I thought I was fighting the system alone.
0:09:51 > 0:09:54Other people had their heads in the sand.
0:09:54 > 0:10:01I don't know if they got courage to do something.
0:10:01 > 0:10:02It has to change.
0:10:02 > 0:10:10There's a lot to change.
0:10:10 > 0:10:12If there is something you think we should be looking
0:10:12 > 0:10:15into here on the programme, get in touch with me
0:10:15 > 0:10:16on Twitter at David?InsideOut.
0:10:16 > 0:10:17Or you can send me an e-mail.
0:10:17 > 0:10:24David.Whiteley@bbc.co.uk.
0:10:24 > 0:10:28You're watching Inside Out for the East of England here on BBC One.
0:10:28 > 0:10:30Later on, we are with the landowner whose Saxon discovery
0:10:30 > 0:10:31became a money pit.
0:10:31 > 0:10:33History has been changed but you have seriously got
0:10:33 > 0:10:34to weigh up the cost.
0:10:34 > 0:10:41To nearly lose your house, that's massive.
0:10:43 > 0:10:46Children are more at risk than ever been contacted
0:10:46 > 0:10:47online by a paedophile.
0:10:47 > 0:10:49In response, one of our police forces has doubled the number
0:10:49 > 0:10:50of officers going after them.
0:10:50 > 0:10:56I spent some time with the team in Northamptonshire.
0:10:56 > 0:10:58At present we do not believe there are any children
0:10:58 > 0:11:01at the address but obviously that may change.
0:11:01 > 0:11:04This is the usual briefing for the paedophile investigation
0:11:04 > 0:11:06team in Northamptonshire as they prepare to make
0:11:06 > 0:11:09yet another arrest.
0:11:09 > 0:11:12In the last four months, the team has caught 25 suspects,
0:11:12 > 0:11:14more than one a week.
0:11:14 > 0:11:18Officers say the figure is growing.
0:11:20 > 0:11:26These are just some of the mobiles, laptops and computers that have been
0:11:26 > 0:11:27seized by the police.
0:11:27 > 0:11:29All of these are waiting to be examined.
0:11:29 > 0:11:31Every one of them, every single one of them literally contains
0:11:31 > 0:11:36thousands of illegal images.
0:11:36 > 0:11:40It kind of gives you an idea of what the police are up against.
0:11:40 > 0:11:43DI Andy Rogers and his team don't only look for what has been
0:11:43 > 0:11:45downloaded, they also see who the images have been shared
0:11:45 > 0:11:48with and from that information they are able to build a map
0:11:48 > 0:11:57of paedophile activity.
0:11:57 > 0:11:59Andy, what is this chart all about?
0:11:59 > 0:12:01This is an association chart that we would generally produce
0:12:01 > 0:12:04when we are doing an investigation into indecent images of children.
0:12:04 > 0:12:08We have got male one, who has been identified from intelligence,
0:12:08 > 0:12:10and you can clearly see from one of our own investigations,
0:12:10 > 0:12:12he is linked to numerous people across the maps.
0:12:12 > 0:12:14They are like small organised crime groups.
0:12:14 > 0:12:16Such a risk to our children in today's society because
0:12:16 > 0:12:19everybody has got a tablet, a mobile phone device.
0:12:19 > 0:12:24How much has the problem increased in your time working on this team?
0:12:24 > 0:12:28Since 2014 when the team was created, this type of offending
0:12:28 > 0:12:31as increased by 330%.
0:12:31 > 0:12:32That is astonishing.
0:12:32 > 0:12:35How do these paedophiles infiltrate the world of young people online?
0:12:35 > 0:12:45Because lots of people live their lives on the Internet now.
0:12:48 > 0:12:50We have got online games, chat rooms out there today
0:12:50 > 0:12:54and you can go on there as yourself, you can pretend you are a 14
0:12:54 > 0:12:56or 15-year-old person and in reality you are a 30,
0:12:56 > 0:12:5840-year-old male, or a 30, 40-year-old female, who will start
0:12:58 > 0:13:00communicating with the individuals, getting their trust,
0:13:00 > 0:13:06and that is where the problems occur, the grooming then commences.
0:13:06 > 0:13:08How many suspects are being looking at in this case?
0:13:08 > 0:13:13But despite doubling the size of their team
0:13:13 > 0:13:16and arresting more suspects, the police say they are still only
0:13:16 > 0:13:18getting to a fraction of these offenders.
0:13:18 > 0:13:19Are you overwhelmed as a police force?
0:13:20 > 0:13:22Definitely.
0:13:22 > 0:13:26I think we are now getting the true feel of what is going on out
0:13:26 > 0:13:27there on the Internet.
0:13:27 > 0:13:30Parents are letting children go onto the Internet
0:13:30 > 0:13:32from the age of four, five, six years old,
0:13:32 > 0:13:34where probably ten years ago they wouldn't be allowed
0:13:34 > 0:13:38to have a phone.
0:13:38 > 0:13:41I don't think we'll ever be able to reflect how bad it really
0:13:41 > 0:13:43is in terms of what people are willing to do to
0:13:43 > 0:13:45the most vulnerable people in society, children.
0:13:45 > 0:13:48One person who was made aware of this danger is Sarah,
0:13:48 > 0:13:51who decided to meet a man she first met online, with life
0:13:51 > 0:13:55changing consequences.
0:13:55 > 0:13:58We have changed her name to protect her anonymity.
0:13:58 > 0:14:00I went on this app and we started messaging and then one
0:14:00 > 0:14:05thing led to another.
0:14:05 > 0:14:11At this point did you know it was an older person?
0:14:11 > 0:14:15He said he was 38 or something and I was kind of like...
0:14:15 > 0:14:18I kind of ignored the fact that he was older because he
0:14:18 > 0:14:19showed me attention.
0:14:19 > 0:14:23Basically when we agreed to meet, I lied to my mum and we ended
0:14:23 > 0:14:26up staying in a hotel.
0:14:26 > 0:14:28He must have known you were underage.
0:14:28 > 0:14:29Yeah.
0:14:29 > 0:14:31I told him multiple times.
0:14:31 > 0:14:34He would send me explicit photos of, like, everything,
0:14:34 > 0:14:42and he was getting me to send photos back.
0:14:42 > 0:14:45I thought that he actually cared about me when obviously he didn't,
0:14:45 > 0:14:47he just wanted to use me like a rag doll.
0:14:47 > 0:14:48And he raped you.
0:14:48 > 0:14:50Yeah.
0:14:50 > 0:14:55Sarah's abuser was jailed but police say for every paedophile they catch
0:14:55 > 0:14:57there are many more.
0:14:57 > 0:15:07But is sentencing always the answer?
0:15:08 > 0:15:10Donald Findlater from the Lucy Faithfull Foundation
0:15:10 > 0:15:11believes there is another way.
0:15:11 > 0:15:13His organisation provides counselling workshops to help
0:15:13 > 0:15:14paedophiles to stop offending.
0:15:14 > 0:15:16They have seen a steady rise in the number of people
0:15:16 > 0:15:20being referred to them for help and a rise in the number of people
0:15:20 > 0:15:21referring themselves for help.
0:15:21 > 0:15:23Can somebody develop an unhealthy sexual attraction to children
0:15:23 > 0:15:24that they didn't have before?
0:15:24 > 0:15:25Yes, they certainly can.
0:15:25 > 0:15:28What we found in terms of indecent images of children online is that
0:15:28 > 0:15:31three quarters of the men viewing those indecent images of children
0:15:31 > 0:15:34were, previous to that viewing, heavy adult pornography users,
0:15:34 > 0:15:38legal material, but because the online environment encourages
0:15:38 > 0:15:41you to look around to see what else is there, these men have found
0:15:41 > 0:15:44that they could look at sexual images...
0:15:44 > 0:15:47Maybe the label was barely legal or jailbait, something
0:15:47 > 0:15:52that they knew was going to be younger than they were normally
0:15:52 > 0:15:55looking at, and then some of them then get stuck in that place
0:15:55 > 0:15:57of looking at those younger and younger images.
0:15:57 > 0:16:01Despite police arresting record numbers of suspected paedophiles,
0:16:01 > 0:16:04the Lucy Faithfull Foundation says that is just a small fraction
0:16:04 > 0:16:08of the actual number of online offenders.
0:16:08 > 0:16:10It is very emotive.
0:16:10 > 0:16:14A lot of people look at this and say a paedophile is a paedophile
0:16:14 > 0:16:16and they should just be locked up.
0:16:16 > 0:16:23I entirely understand that.
0:16:23 > 0:16:25I am a parent and grandparent.
0:16:25 > 0:16:26These crimes are appalling.
0:16:26 > 0:16:27What these people do is appalling online.
0:16:27 > 0:16:30But we have to face the reality that the police will not,
0:16:30 > 0:16:32cannot arrest them all.
0:16:32 > 0:16:35So by saying lock them all up, what we are doing is we are denying
0:16:35 > 0:16:37the size of the problem, because we know the police
0:16:37 > 0:16:40are committing more and more resources, the chances of getting
0:16:40 > 0:16:42arrested are increasing, but there is still this volume
0:16:42 > 0:16:44problem to be dealt with.
0:16:44 > 0:16:46John, not his real name, was arrested for downloading
0:16:46 > 0:16:53indecent images of children and given a community order.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55He says the Lucy Faithfull Foundation has helped him understand
0:16:55 > 0:16:58the impact of his offending.
0:16:58 > 0:17:02John, first of all, can you talk me through what happened to lead
0:17:02 > 0:17:07you on to looking at images of children online?
0:17:07 > 0:17:12I've been using pornography for an extremely long time,
0:17:12 > 0:17:17probably in the region of 20 years.
0:17:17 > 0:17:21It started off for me kind of starting to get bored and wanting
0:17:21 > 0:17:26to find something a bit different, that the new.
0:17:26 > 0:17:29-- to find something a bit different, a bit new.
0:17:29 > 0:17:31It was very easy to download a wide variety of different
0:17:32 > 0:17:33pornographic images very easily.
0:17:33 > 0:17:35But the offset was a lot of those images would be fake
0:17:35 > 0:17:38or they wouldn't work or some of them would actually be illegal
0:17:38 > 0:17:39images involving underage, including children,
0:17:39 > 0:17:47and that was something I started coming into contact with.
0:17:47 > 0:17:49You must have realised that by looking at images
0:17:49 > 0:17:54of children being abused, you were perpetuating the crime.
0:17:54 > 0:17:56Children were being abused basically for your gratification and other
0:17:56 > 0:17:58paedophiles' gratification.
0:17:58 > 0:18:01I have to say, honestly, I didn't realise that at the time.
0:18:01 > 0:18:05I was genuinely ignorant that this was actually
0:18:05 > 0:18:09causing harm to children.
0:18:09 > 0:18:12Perhaps I didn't want to realise that but I guess I didn't
0:18:12 > 0:18:14dwell on it too much.
0:18:14 > 0:18:17Do you have remorse about what you have done now?
0:18:17 > 0:18:24Huge remorse.
0:18:24 > 0:18:27With what I have learned from these workshops and speaking
0:18:27 > 0:18:30to the people on the helpline, I am now fully aware of the damage
0:18:30 > 0:18:34that I have caused and I am trying to find a way to live with that
0:18:34 > 0:18:40whilst also making sure that horrible feeling,
0:18:40 > 0:18:43using that horrible feeling as a tool to stop me ever
0:18:43 > 0:18:44going down that path again.
0:18:44 > 0:18:46John says he was fortunate to be arrested and to
0:18:47 > 0:18:48have help when needed.
0:18:48 > 0:18:52Many others are sadly not stopped.
0:18:52 > 0:18:56We get between 700 and 800 calls a month,
0:18:56 > 0:18:5940% of those calls are from men worried about themselves.
0:18:59 > 0:19:0226% of the calls are from women worried about a man in their life,
0:19:02 > 0:19:05whether it is their dad or their brother or the
0:19:05 > 0:19:06neighbour next door.
0:19:06 > 0:19:08So we can see the total volumes and what we have seen
0:19:08 > 0:19:11is calls from men concerned about their online sexual
0:19:11 > 0:19:13behaviour are increasing.
0:19:13 > 0:19:15Today, the police have arrested another suspected paedophile
0:19:15 > 0:19:19and are taking him into custody.
0:19:19 > 0:19:22And from arrests like this, over the last four months,
0:19:22 > 0:19:24police in Northamptonshire have protected nearly 60 children
0:19:24 > 0:19:34from potential sexual abuse.
0:19:34 > 0:19:37When a builder discovered a unique hoard of Saxon coffins on his land
0:19:37 > 0:19:41at Great Ryburgh in Norfolk, nothing could have prepared him
0:19:41 > 0:19:43for the financial loss he was about to face.
0:19:43 > 0:19:47Rob Setchell has the story for us.
0:19:47 > 0:19:52When Gary Boyce set out to create a fishing lake to protect his house
0:19:52 > 0:19:54and his neighbours from flooding, he had no idea
0:19:54 > 0:19:58what he would uncover.
0:19:58 > 0:20:01Buried on his land in Great Ryburgh, 81 Saxon coffins,
0:20:01 > 0:20:06one of the greatest archaeological finds of the 21st century.
0:20:06 > 0:20:09Due to the waterlogged conditions, archaeologists now have the chance
0:20:09 > 0:20:12to date the exact year of an entire Anglo-Saxon cemetery,
0:20:12 > 0:20:18thought to date all the way back to the eighth century.
0:20:18 > 0:20:23But the story behind the headlines is not what you might imagine.
0:20:23 > 0:20:26It is well over six months since the wooden coffins were found,
0:20:26 > 0:20:28preserved in the perfect conditions of the river valley.
0:20:28 > 0:20:31So where have those priceless pieces of history been taken?
0:20:31 > 0:20:36Well, nowhere.
0:20:36 > 0:20:38Since they were dug out of the ground, they have stayed
0:20:38 > 0:20:39here at Gary's house.
0:20:39 > 0:20:40Hi, Gary.
0:20:40 > 0:20:41Morning, Rob.
0:20:41 > 0:20:42Lovely to meet you.
0:20:42 > 0:20:45You, too.
0:20:45 > 0:20:49Right, what have we got here?
0:20:49 > 0:20:51Well, here we have two of the Anglo-Saxon oak
0:20:51 > 0:20:53tree trunk coffins.
0:20:53 > 0:20:56Why are things like this sat outside in your driveway?
0:20:56 > 0:20:57They were left on site.
0:20:57 > 0:20:58They are stored here.
0:20:58 > 0:20:59But aren't these valuable?
0:20:59 > 0:21:01There is no idea of value.
0:21:01 > 0:21:02They have never really been found before.
0:21:02 > 0:21:05And there are even more of them in his shed.
0:21:05 > 0:21:08Here they are.
0:21:08 > 0:21:09How many have we got?
0:21:09 > 0:21:15I think probably around 60-70.
0:21:15 > 0:21:21Stacked up here.
0:21:21 > 0:21:23Obviously all in various stages of preservation,
0:21:23 > 0:21:24as we found them in the ground.
0:21:24 > 0:21:26They look incredible.
0:21:26 > 0:21:29What was like when you pulled these out of the ground?
0:21:29 > 0:21:32Shock, horror, exhilaration at finding something so unique.
0:21:32 > 0:21:34Really, what is this going to cost me?
0:21:34 > 0:21:36So what are the costs running at?
0:21:36 > 0:21:37I'm currently at around ?250,000.
0:21:37 > 0:21:45Quite a lot of money, then.
0:21:45 > 0:21:48But if you do find a treasure trove on your land, you are liable
0:21:48 > 0:21:50for the initial exploration costs.
0:21:50 > 0:21:52In Gary's case, human remains were found and that pushed
0:21:52 > 0:21:58the bill even higher.
0:21:58 > 0:22:03My initial quote was for any burial, would be ?500 per burial.
0:22:03 > 0:22:06So when at the end, I think it was around about 2-3 weeks,
0:22:06 > 0:22:09we were on around about 60, it'll give you an idea...
0:22:09 > 0:22:12And things went from bad to worse.
0:22:12 > 0:22:21Gary's conservation project had to be put on hold
0:22:21 > 0:22:23when the historical significance of the hoard became apparent and
0:22:23 > 0:22:25this incurred even more costs for Gary.
0:22:25 > 0:22:28We were being asked to find an additional ?150,000
0:22:28 > 0:22:30or thereabouts to carry out and cover the cost of the excavation
0:22:30 > 0:22:34and archaeology investigations on the burial site.
0:22:34 > 0:22:44What did you do?
0:22:44 > 0:22:46That left me in an absolutely ludicrous situation.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49It is a family doing a flood prevention conservation lake
0:22:49 > 0:22:55and already facing massive losses, remortgaging, with no end in sight.
0:22:55 > 0:22:58We were held up and in the end fortunately funding came
0:22:58 > 0:23:01through but I had even started re-covering the burial site.
0:23:01 > 0:23:03The desperately needed funding to exhume the bodies came
0:23:03 > 0:23:12from Historic England, some ?90,000.
0:23:12 > 0:23:15But why, when this was such a significant find, did it take
0:23:15 > 0:23:16so long for it to arrive?
0:23:16 > 0:23:19There was a period of time between us being called in and...
0:23:19 > 0:23:22I believe his work started some time before we were actually aware of it.
0:23:22 > 0:23:25As soon as we did become aware of it, the significance was very
0:23:25 > 0:23:28clear from the very beginning and we tried to operate as quickly
0:23:28 > 0:23:31as we could and provide some support to Gary because obviously
0:23:31 > 0:23:33he is in a very difficult position.
0:23:33 > 0:23:35Gary believes that a burial of such historical importance
0:23:35 > 0:23:39should have warranted a quicker official response.
0:23:39 > 0:23:42But in archaeological circles, the decision of what to do with such
0:23:42 > 0:23:47discoveries takes time.
0:23:47 > 0:23:50The issue is to do with cost and cost recovery at that point.
0:23:50 > 0:23:54Because of the extraordinary nature and breadth of the archaeology
0:23:54 > 0:23:56which was uncovered.
0:23:56 > 0:23:58Ultimately how archaeological processes work and how
0:23:58 > 0:24:00archaeologists view sites doesn't always translate particularly
0:24:00 > 0:24:02well to the layman.
0:24:02 > 0:24:05That helps explain how the system works but it hasn't stopped to Gary
0:24:05 > 0:24:11ending up with a shed full of Saxon coffins.
0:24:11 > 0:24:14Yes, it may have seemed unusual to have left the coffins behind
0:24:14 > 0:24:17but actually that is part of the strategy
0:24:17 > 0:24:20for collection and storage, to make sure we get the best coffin
0:24:20 > 0:24:21into the record, into the museum.
0:24:21 > 0:24:24But we can't store every coffin and take everything away.
0:24:24 > 0:24:28The museum's stores would be full.
0:24:28 > 0:24:30Despite the funding from Historic England,
0:24:30 > 0:24:32which will continue
0:24:32 > 0:24:36over the next two years, delays and being unable
0:24:36 > 0:24:40to run his business meant to Gary is now looking at ways he might be
0:24:40 > 0:24:42able to claw back some of the money.
0:24:42 > 0:24:44Some of the more significant ones.
0:24:44 > 0:24:48There are between ?15,000 and ?20,000 in finds that
0:24:48 > 0:24:52I have managed to recover, eight or nine weeks in the summer,
0:24:52 > 0:24:56going back through 10,000 tonnes of topsoil, to find these items.
0:24:56 > 0:24:59Not an easy job.
0:24:59 > 0:25:08Purely by metal detecting, the first coin we found
0:25:08 > 0:25:10was a King Aethelwulf, sorry, Aethelweard from 845-850.
0:25:10 > 0:25:13It is a very, very rare coin.
0:25:13 > 0:25:15What happens with the coffins now?
0:25:15 > 0:25:18There is a possibility of selling or auctioning but at this stage
0:25:18 > 0:25:19we have no idea of value.
0:25:19 > 0:25:20The items are unique.
0:25:20 > 0:25:22Auctioneers can't put a value on that.
0:25:22 > 0:25:23But there is some value.
0:25:23 > 0:25:28Castle Museum have one donated by the family.
0:25:28 > 0:25:30With one of the coffins destined for Norwich Castle,
0:25:30 > 0:25:32I'm meeting the curator of archaeology, Tim Pestell,
0:25:32 > 0:25:35to find out what happens next and whether Gary's dilemma can be
0:25:35 > 0:25:37made any easier.
0:25:37 > 0:25:40Is it true to say that the benefit here is all historical,
0:25:40 > 0:25:44there is no financial benefit?
0:25:44 > 0:25:50Yes, the landowner got unlucky in the sense that this was one
0:25:50 > 0:25:53of those excavations that happened to hit treasure for archaeologists
0:25:53 > 0:25:55because the site was so unique, it is nationally significant.
0:25:55 > 0:25:59Great Ryburgh will go down as one of those sites in the academic
0:25:59 > 0:26:03textbooks as well as hopefully the popular books as an example
0:26:03 > 0:26:06of an early Christian community, and so within the constraints
0:26:06 > 0:26:08of a normal archaeological excavation that you would have
0:26:08 > 0:26:16funded, you wouldn't expect something like that,
0:26:16 > 0:26:21and in his case, as I say, he got unlucky because it was so wonderful,
0:26:21 > 0:26:24it wasn't expected, but that is also why Historic England have put
0:26:24 > 0:26:26thousands of pounds into rescuing that site, to make sure
0:26:26 > 0:26:30we get as much information out of it as possible.
0:26:30 > 0:26:33And what happens to some of the artefacts we have found now?
0:26:33 > 0:26:35We are hoping that some of the material will
0:26:35 > 0:26:36come to the castle.
0:26:36 > 0:26:41So at the moment we have got a coffin that is still water logged,
0:26:41 > 0:26:48and that is going to be sent off to York for conservation, which is
0:26:48 > 0:26:50going to be a costly process, and it will take
0:26:50 > 0:26:51a lot of time.
0:26:51 > 0:26:55But in the future, we hope that it will come back and we can show
0:26:55 > 0:26:56it in our Anglo-Saxon and Viking Gallery
0:26:56 > 0:26:57here in Norwich Castle.
0:26:57 > 0:27:00So, while Norwich Castle Museum are still to decide
0:27:00 > 0:27:03on whether they are able to raise the funds to take any
0:27:03 > 0:27:04of the items Gary discovered while metal detecting,
0:27:04 > 0:27:07his financial woes remain unresolved.
0:27:07 > 0:27:11From the point of view of a small developer like Gary,
0:27:11 > 0:27:15an unexpected find like that can be very difficult to deal with and does
0:27:15 > 0:27:16obviously compromise his operations.
0:27:16 > 0:27:19In 99% of the cases, it all goes very smoothly and people
0:27:19 > 0:27:21know what archaeology they have got to deal with and they
0:27:21 > 0:27:24can plan for it.
0:27:24 > 0:27:27Unfortunately for Gary, he wasn't able to plan for it.
0:27:27 > 0:27:29So this is what it was all about, then.
0:27:29 > 0:27:34The fishing lake and the flood prevention scheme.
0:27:34 > 0:27:36Yeah, very muddy still at the moment, over a year later.
0:27:36 > 0:27:39In our situation, it was a really difficult one in that
0:27:39 > 0:27:40we'd already started.
0:27:40 > 0:27:43We were damned if we did and damned if we didn't.
0:27:43 > 0:27:46Yes, you have found something that is extraordinary,
0:27:46 > 0:27:49the preservation of the tree trunk coffins and planks are
0:27:49 > 0:27:50absolutely extraordinary.
0:27:50 > 0:27:52History has been changed but you have seriously got
0:27:52 > 0:27:53to weigh up the cost.
0:27:53 > 0:27:58To nearly lose your house, that is massive.
0:28:04 > 0:28:06That is it for this programme.
0:28:06 > 0:28:09Next week, Olympic champion Gail Emms and I try to get to grips
0:28:09 > 0:28:12with electric cars in Milton Keynes.
0:28:12 > 0:28:15I don't want to pull it too much in case I break it.
0:28:15 > 0:28:16I know.
0:28:16 > 0:28:18Is it still charging?
0:28:18 > 0:28:19No, I've taken it out.
0:28:19 > 0:28:20Why is that light flashing?
0:28:20 > 0:28:21I don't know.
0:28:21 > 0:28:24In the meantime, you can get in touch with me
0:28:24 > 0:28:27on Twitter at David?InsideOut, or you can send an e-mail,
0:28:27 > 0:28:31they all get passed on to the team, David.Whiteley@bbc.co.uk.
0:28:31 > 0:28:33But that is it from Gorleston in Norfolk.
0:28:33 > 0:28:34I'll catch up with you next week.
0:28:34 > 0:28:37Bye-bye.
0:28:37 > 0:28:39Also next week, a former undercover police officer tells us
0:28:39 > 0:28:43why he believes drugs should be legalised.
0:28:43 > 0:28:48I now realise that all of the work I did had no benefit whatsoever.
0:28:48 > 0:28:53And I certainly believe something has got to change.
0:28:53 > 0:28:55And we look at a apprenticeships.
0:28:55 > 0:28:57Are they too open to abuse?
0:28:57 > 0:29:03That is Inside Out next Monday, 7:30pm on BBC One.
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