:08:23. > :08:28.We are working with the local Health Protection people, they need
:08:28. > :08:32.to work with us. The Health Protection Agency was set up 10
:08:32. > :08:36.years ago to protect the public from infectious diseases and
:08:36. > :08:41.environmental hazards. It says that there is no significant health risk
:08:41. > :08:45.associated with particular to emissions from of the site. It says
:08:45. > :08:49.that despite offering to discuss these -- the evidence with health
:08:49. > :08:54.professionals near the site, no clinical care stuff came forward to
:08:54. > :08:57.talk about their concerns. None of the plants mentioned in this film
:08:57. > :09:02.would agree to be interviewed. However, Armstrong's Environmental
:09:02. > :09:12.Services reiterated that they operate within the regulations.
:09:12. > :09:14.
:09:14. > :09:21.Sonae -- Sonae said that there had been known -- they had been at no
:09:21. > :09:26.issues for them. Plevins issued this statement, Levin's
:09:26. > :09:30.environmental responsibilities are paramount. We take our
:09:30. > :09:34.responsibilities to the community seriously and continually strive to
:09:34. > :09:38.engage both residents over their concerns. We operate within the law
:09:38. > :09:42.in a heavily regulated industry. The marching other side has
:09:42. > :09:46.demonstrated no breach of its air quality standards.
:09:46. > :09:51.A in the past few weeks, the World Health Organisation has told the
:09:51. > :09:55.European Commission that there is new evidence to show that their
:09:55. > :10:01.standards are not stringent enough. It has been rather overlooked in
:10:01. > :10:05.the bigger picture. People forget that over 400,000 people die each
:10:05. > :10:09.year in the EU because of respiratory diseases or
:10:10. > :10:12.cardiovascular diseases. They are mainly caused by air pollution.
:10:12. > :10:17.will the European Commission drop the levels and what would they drop
:10:17. > :10:21.them to? It is likely they will drop the levels but we will have to
:10:21. > :10:27.have the discussion with the member states. We need to change the
:10:27. > :10:31.directive are so the commissioner will make a proposal, which is
:10:31. > :10:37.either require from a public health or environmental point of view,
:10:37. > :10:41.then it is up to the individual parliaments to agree those changes.
:10:41. > :10:46.Dollar and Bernie say they will continue their campaign and they
:10:46. > :10:50.are optimistic their voices will be heard. It is great that the World
:10:50. > :10:54.Health Organisation has realised it is a greater problem than they
:10:54. > :10:58.anticipated. So that is encouraging. We will liaise with other
:10:59. > :11:03.organisations around the country at present our findings to them and
:11:03. > :11:09.give them our report for what we think is a problem. So the fight
:11:09. > :11:17.goes on? Yes. And if the World Health Organisation says it is a
:11:17. > :11:21.carcinogen, we want that recognised. BBC Radio Manchester will have more
:11:21. > :11:31.on that story tomorrow morning. Coming up, and industrial heritage
:11:31. > :11:58.
:11:58. > :12:01.under threat. We meet the man tried Welcome to the Bundesliga. More
:12:01. > :12:06.spectators crammed into Germany's vast stadia than in any other
:12:06. > :12:10.football league in the world, even England. It is important to point
:12:10. > :12:13.out that the Bundesliga remains way behind the Premier League
:12:13. > :12:19.financially and in global popularity but with its philosophy
:12:19. > :12:23.of maintaining affordable match tickets, or will it prove a winner
:12:23. > :12:29.in the long term? Right from the time the Premier League was formed
:12:29. > :12:36.in 1992, fans have grumbled about rising ticket costs but they have
:12:36. > :12:41.always paid up in the end. But last month, Manchester City fans made
:12:41. > :12:45.what could turn out to be a significant gesture. Almost a third
:12:45. > :12:52.of their ticket applications for their game at Arsenal went unsold.
:12:52. > :12:58.By refusing to fork out, fans were sending a message to the Premier
:12:58. > :13:03.League. A lot of people say, don't go, show why not offending and that
:13:03. > :13:09.will hit clubs in the pocket, but for a fan's point of view, why
:13:09. > :13:14.should we be driven away from our club? And fans of other clubs agree.
:13:14. > :13:21.The price has been getting dearer and dearer. At one time you could
:13:21. > :13:26.pay �10 and that has -- and that was plenty. It is too much. When I
:13:26. > :13:31.started it was very much the working man's game. Now I think the
:13:31. > :13:35.working man has been squeezed out. Mark Palios is a former chief
:13:35. > :13:40.executive of the former association. He has witnessed the business of
:13:40. > :13:46.football from many angles, having played 17 seasons for Tranmere
:13:46. > :13:50.before becoming a senior partner after a firm of accountants. Our
:13:50. > :13:57.ticket prices in the Premier League simply too high? When you look at
:13:57. > :14:03.it, it is an inescapable conclusion that there has to be a limit. If
:14:03. > :14:09.you look at it and you then start to add on travel costs as well, as
:14:09. > :14:12.a piece of entertainment for a father and a few kids, you are
:14:12. > :14:17.starting to really struggle. former player who has played at the
:14:17. > :14:22.very top in both England and Germany comes down on the side of
:14:22. > :14:29.hard-pressed supporters. It is not just the ticket price. You need to
:14:29. > :14:34.get down to London which is an extra cost, maybe have a sandwich
:14:34. > :14:43.and a drink at the game and you are talking about 150 quid for an away
:14:43. > :14:48.game. 150 quid? I could have an -- a weekend away in Europe for that
:14:48. > :14:53.money. So I did. Here in Germany, things could not be more different.
:14:53. > :14:59.This is Hanover in Lower Saxony and tonight the local team, Hannover 96,
:14:59. > :15:07.is playing in the top division, the Bundesliga. Bremen is 128: It does
:15:07. > :15:12.away but that is not a problem, at least not an expensive one. --
:15:12. > :15:17.Bremen is 128 kilometres away. That is because when you have a ticket
:15:17. > :15:22.for the match, you can also get the train for free. When I get to
:15:22. > :15:26.Brehme and I can also use my football ticket for all local
:15:26. > :15:35.public transport such as buses and trams to the stadium. We are now
:15:35. > :15:41.going over the top and there does seem to be a slightly different
:15:41. > :15:46.philosophy. They make sure they are affordable tickets for every
:15:46. > :15:50.Bundesliga match. This cost me 19 euros. It is for a standing
:15:50. > :15:56.position but I could have sat down for the equivalent of about �20.
:15:56. > :16:03.How much did you pay for your ticket and what you think of that?
:16:03. > :16:11.13 euros. About �10. That is amazing. It is a little bit
:16:11. > :16:16.expensive. You are kidding? No. It is too much in England. Many young
:16:16. > :16:21.people cannot buy these tickets. It is too much. Thomas is a social
:16:21. > :16:28.worker in at Bremen. He is a key link between the Football Club and
:16:28. > :16:35.its most fanatical fans. Football fans in Jerry are not companies.
:16:35. > :16:45.They have social responsibility. -- football clubs the net Germany who
:16:45. > :16:45.
:16:45. > :16:55.are not companies. And is that a different philosophy or is it a
:16:55. > :16:55.
:16:55. > :16:59.financial decision? I think it is both. The North of England is where
:16:59. > :17:03.professional football began. It was a sport for the masses, something
:17:03. > :17:10.that most working men, and it was mostly men, could afford to go and
:17:10. > :17:17.watch, but that is a very different era. Today the beautiful game
:17:17. > :17:25.stands accused of charging up the prices. Until the 1990s, watching
:17:25. > :17:30.football is a relatively cheap pastime. Over the decades, prices
:17:30. > :17:35.kept in place with inflation. But that had its own problems. Stadiums
:17:35. > :17:39.became decrepit, which was most brutally exposed in the disasters
:17:39. > :17:43.at Valley Parade and Hillsborough. The Taylor report that followed
:17:43. > :17:49.Hillsborough recommended all-seater stadiums for safety reasons. It
:17:49. > :17:57.also suggested fans be charged �6 to dig down. In today's money back
:17:57. > :18:00.is less than �13. -- to sit down. We could have been to any English
:18:00. > :18:04.Premier League town and the story would have been the same. Here at
:18:04. > :18:09.Old Trafford in 1960 you could stand on the Stretford End for
:18:09. > :18:16.three shillings and sixpence, about �3.20 in today's money. The
:18:16. > :18:21.cheapest seat now it is �42, �29 more than Lord Taylor recommended.
:18:21. > :18:25.We requested end interview with the chief executive of the Premier
:18:25. > :18:30.League, Richard Scudamore, but he declined, but he did tell BBC radio
:18:30. > :18:35.last month that the protest by Manchester City fans had not gone
:18:35. > :18:40.unnoticed. Mark Palios says fans in England should not expect ticket
:18:40. > :18:46.prices to fall any time soon because Premier League clubs are a
:18:46. > :18:52.globally competitive market. Yes, they play in the English League and
:18:52. > :18:56.the FA has jurisdiction over that league. But the clubs also compete
:18:56. > :19:00.on international basis. They play in Europe and they complete --
:19:00. > :19:05.compete globally for their players so until you can actually control
:19:05. > :19:09.the people they are competing against, Barcelona, Madrid, you
:19:09. > :19:17.cannot put restrictions on Manchester United, for example, or
:19:17. > :19:22.Arsenal. Otherwise our clubs would be active disadvantage. English
:19:22. > :19:25.football is a huge economic export story for UK plc but for the
:19:25. > :19:28.Premier League to continue to thrive, those in charge may be
:19:28. > :19:38.forced to remind themselves that the fans are not just there to
:19:38. > :19:40.
:19:40. > :19:49.watch the show. They are a crucial element of the show.
:19:49. > :19:55.Up there has been a great atmosphere here but for a -- this
:19:55. > :20:00.has been a great atmosphere. Weather aside, the Bundesliga and
:20:00. > :20:03.the Premier League have much in common. Where they differ currently
:20:03. > :20:08.is over their ticket price a loss of the but with pressure to bring
:20:08. > :20:16.in England, Manchester City's protest may come to be seen as a
:20:16. > :20:20.tipping point. Textile mills like these ones may
:20:20. > :20:24.be North West the cotton kings of the world but today, with the
:20:24. > :20:27.recession, these buildings are under threat as never before. Now a
:20:27. > :20:32.unique project is under way to document all the surviving cotton
:20:32. > :20:38.mills in Lancashire for the very first time and we follow one man's
:20:38. > :20:44.quest to visit the best of them before the bulldozers move in.
:20:44. > :20:49.They dominate the skyline in towns and cities across the North West.
:20:49. > :20:55.But today, hundreds of crumbling textile mills are under threat from
:20:55. > :20:57.neglect and possible demolition. Ian Miller is a professional
:20:57. > :21:04.archaeologist whose job is to document and preserve these
:21:04. > :21:12.buildings. He has come to Bamber Bridge near Preston to look at this
:21:12. > :21:18.one. What is the largest single edifice on the horizon? This. So
:21:18. > :21:28.from a heritage 0.2 few, it really does characterise Lancashire itself,
:21:28. > :21:28.
:21:28. > :21:35.the cotton mill,. -- point of view. The owner of this male wants to
:21:35. > :21:40.demolish it and replace it with 200 family homes. -- this gum. The
:21:41. > :21:46.pattern is being repeated across North West, with plans to replace
:21:46. > :21:49.this one in Rochdale with up to fortune I new houses. Ian's
:21:49. > :21:56.challenge is to get access to buildings like this before they are
:21:56. > :22:01.gone forever. We do a survey of what the condition is like. The
:22:01. > :22:05.next part is getting into the ones we really want to get into. That is
:22:05. > :22:11.a challenge. A decade ago, the property boom meant developers
:22:11. > :22:15.could not get enough industrial buildings like bees to turn into
:22:15. > :22:22.offices and trendy apartments but when boom turned to bust
:22:22. > :22:26.redeveloping them became more difficult. From 2008 onwards more
:22:26. > :22:32.or less everything has changed. The market has changed and developers
:22:33. > :22:36.are now having to, or half for the last four or five years, had to
:22:36. > :22:42.stop thinking differently about how they get finance, the schemes they
:22:42. > :22:47.can bring forward. In the Ancoats area of Manchester, proposals to
:22:47. > :22:51.convert Stubbs Mill into loft apartments has not materialised and
:22:51. > :22:55.the building is derelict. Next door campaigners want to say the listed
:22:55. > :23:02.Ancoats Dispensary after the local council granted permission to
:23:02. > :23:10.demolish it last year. The problem with a meal is it is a rigid form.
:23:10. > :23:19.-- with a gum. -- the problem with a textile mill is it is a rigid
:23:19. > :23:23.form. 200 years ago, textile mills helped make Lancashire rich. There
:23:23. > :23:27.were 2,500 in the county, employing almost half a million people, but
:23:27. > :23:33.new technology and overseas competition eventually make them
:23:33. > :23:38.redundant. This panoramic photos showed how cotton mills once
:23:38. > :23:45.dominated the skyline of Oldham. Ian has come to the town's art
:23:45. > :23:51.gallery to take a closer look. photograph was taken in 1876 by a
:23:51. > :23:56.man called Squire Knott. What he has done, not really realising it,
:23:57. > :24:03.is captured Oldham at a time of great boom. This really
:24:03. > :24:08.characterises all caricatures Lancashire. The loss of those
:24:08. > :24:14.buildings really takes that unique character away from the town.
:24:14. > :24:19.company has been to do study and document for the first time all the
:24:19. > :24:25.historic textile mills in Lancashire. Good afternoon, it is
:24:25. > :24:30.Ian Miller. It is a huge task. The first part of the study identified
:24:30. > :24:35.hundreds of buildings. Ian's now speaking to mill owners in person
:24:35. > :24:39.so he can make detailed inspections of 50 of the most important. Some
:24:39. > :24:45.people are not very keen for us to go in, which you might understand,
:24:45. > :24:51.but it does not make things easy sometimes. A few days later Ian has
:24:51. > :25:01.had some success. He has been granted access to a complex in beat
:25:01. > :25:06.Weavers' Triangle in Burnley. Ian's colleague Chris is undertaking a
:25:06. > :25:12.survey of the Sandygate weaving shed, a building dating from the
:25:12. > :25:19.1850s, which is now without a roof. Why thing we want to find out is
:25:19. > :25:23.how big this building is. When you pass by a weaving shed, one looks
:25:23. > :25:30.like another, but there are a lot of interesting details. We take a
:25:30. > :25:35.load of photographs and work out what the shed looked like. Next
:25:35. > :25:40.door there is a building that shows what can be do -- and done with a
:25:40. > :25:46.little care to turn a crumbling textile mill into something new.
:25:46. > :25:51.Victorian mill is on its way to becoming a new technical college.
:25:51. > :25:57.It was 18 months since we were last in this building and it was a wreck.
:25:57. > :26:02.It is really nice to see it retaining some historic features,
:26:02. > :26:07.particularly the hoist over there. Architecture really, the rooms are
:26:07. > :26:16.designed so that hoists can be accommodated without being a
:26:16. > :26:23.hindrance. They will be there to view forever, hopefully. A few days
:26:23. > :26:31.later, Ian has come to Queen Street Mill to meet his colleague who is
:26:31. > :26:35.using a balloon to get a view bar of the architecture. With the wind
:26:35. > :26:41.picking up, they decide to opt for a more reliable method of
:26:41. > :26:46.observation. I have asked Jayne be to take a whole load of photographs
:26:46. > :26:51.ball -- from all the angles around the building. He puts that into a
:26:51. > :27:01.software package and we get 83 D accurate model of the building. I'm
:27:01. > :27:02.
:27:02. > :27:08.not entirely sure how this works! - - a 3D accurate model. We have
:27:08. > :27:16.created a whole mass of photographs. From the ground, aerial shot, from
:27:16. > :27:26.all different angles. And like magic, it creates this three-
:27:26. > :27:31.
:27:31. > :27:35.dimensional model. It is a wonderful tool. He also has
:27:35. > :27:40.important news about Queen Street Mill. An application to list the
:27:40. > :27:45.historic weaving shed is now being considered by English Heritage.
:27:45. > :27:48.Once a building is designated as a listed building, any alterations
:27:48. > :27:54.require consent and will have to be looked at carefully. It is
:27:55. > :27:58.immensely important and remarkably, to my mind, it does not actually
:27:59. > :28:02.have listed building resignation at the moment. It is a small victory
:28:02. > :28:10.and one that makes you an even more determined to carry on with his
:28:10. > :28:14.work. I am hoping our survey will really help to raise the profile so
:28:14. > :28:20.that people can appreciate textile mills a bit more. At the end of the
:28:20. > :28:28.day, if it leads to the preservation of all the re-use of