:00:01. > :00:06.In the next half an hour, some testing questions. Could you
:00:06. > :00:16.forgive the man whose actions cost your mother's life? We have the
:00:16. > :00:19.
:00:19. > :00:26.untold story of the Cumbrian rail disaster. Answered, no, that's not
:00:26. > :00:30.right. For what that man who did. How much should we pay to burn our
:00:30. > :00:37.waste? How about �1 billion over the next 25 years in North
:00:37. > :00:43.Yorkshire? There are options over a shorter time periods where they
:00:43. > :00:46.could keep their options open and save lots of money in the meantime.
:00:46. > :00:53.And surfing the waves off the Northumberland Coast. Do these
:00:53. > :00:58.magical dolphins deserve better protection? This is well more than
:00:58. > :01:08.I hoped we would see. Stories from the heart of the North East and
:01:08. > :01:13.
:01:13. > :01:18.Cumbria. This is Inside Out. We begin tonight with a remarkable
:01:18. > :01:21.story of forgiveness that came out of a rail disaster here in Cumbria.
:01:21. > :01:27.When a train was derailed by a faulty set of points, a woman died
:01:27. > :01:31.and 86 were injured. One man knew the blame would fall on him. What
:01:31. > :01:41.he couldn't know is that a year on from the inquest, he'd receive an
:01:41. > :01:44.extraordinary invitation from those who'd suffered the most. Today Dave
:01:44. > :01:53.Lewis is embarking on a difficult journey, for anyone else this is a
:01:53. > :01:57.normal trip on a normal train. is the first time I have been on a
:01:57. > :02:00.train north since the accident. I know the route like the back of my
:02:00. > :02:04.hand. My stomach is churning now just thinking about where we are
:02:04. > :02:10.going now. But what happened on this track five years ago changed
:02:10. > :02:13.Dave's life forever. In February 2007, travelling at nearly 100mph,
:02:13. > :02:17.a Virgin train went over a faulty set of points and plunged down an
:02:17. > :02:25.embankment at Grayrigg in Cumbria. Dave was responsible for the safety
:02:25. > :02:31.of the track. The phone rang and it was a colleague of mine and he said,
:02:31. > :02:35."We've got a big problem - we've got a train down the banking." I
:02:35. > :02:38.walked right up to the back of the train and obviously I did not feel
:02:38. > :02:43.too well. I did not think there would be too many people getting
:02:43. > :02:50.out of that train. Margaret Masson was travelling home to Glasgow that
:02:50. > :02:54.night. "My son rang me at my office and said, "sit down." I said what's
:02:54. > :02:59.wrong? He said, "Mum's been killed." I said, "What are you
:02:59. > :03:02.talking about?" She's down at my sister's." And he said, "She was
:03:02. > :03:12.travelling back on the train, it derailed and she's dead." And I
:03:12. > :03:15.just broke down then. The following day, George and his family were
:03:15. > :03:19.brought to the crash site. $CYAN We actually saw the train and where my
:03:19. > :03:23.mum was. We stayed there about half an hour. Over the weekend, crash
:03:23. > :03:30.investigators move onto the site. They discovered the points were the
:03:31. > :03:34.cause of the crash and should have been inspected the week before.
:03:34. > :03:39.realised what I should have done the weekend prior and I just said
:03:39. > :03:47.to one of our senior managers that is down to me nobody else that's me.
:03:47. > :03:49.I would say not a week goes by when I don't think if only I'd done that.
:03:49. > :03:53.Staff shortages meant the morning of the inspection, Dave was
:03:53. > :03:57.juggling two jobs. He'd agreed to inspect the track, but crucially
:03:57. > :04:06.started his patrol south of the faulty points. That's the key piece
:04:06. > :04:09.that got missed. If I had remembered or put something in
:04:09. > :04:12.place to remind me, I would have started at Lambrigg and covered
:04:12. > :04:16.those points. But you were doing this in effect because you did not
:04:16. > :04:19.have the staff and had to do extra work? I was doing extra work, extra
:04:19. > :04:22.patrol because of the shortage of staff. Had I done that full
:04:22. > :04:32.inspection I would have noticed something was not quite right with
:04:32. > :04:38.Just coming up to the crash site now, there's the viaduct. How are
:04:38. > :04:48.you feeling? Just about there, that's where the train went down
:04:48. > :04:52.
:04:52. > :05:00.the bank. You have not seen that site for five years? No. Amazing
:05:00. > :05:02.feeling inside there. Did you need to do that? Yes, I think that has
:05:02. > :05:12.helped me Chris." End of a chapter? That's another chapter closed.
:05:12. > :05:15.Onwards into Glasgow. Dave was suspended from work while the crash
:05:15. > :05:18.was investigated. The pressure on him and his family was immense.
:05:18. > :05:24.Marriage broke up, sold the house, forced out of Network Rail, lost
:05:24. > :05:27.the job, good salary, good pension. I lost a heck of a lot. Dave was
:05:27. > :05:30.helping British Transport Police investigate the crash. One day he
:05:30. > :05:40.was called back to the station, but this time the tone of questioning
:05:40. > :05:43.
:05:43. > :05:48.changed. I walked into a custody suite. That's when your mind starts
:05:48. > :05:52.thinking, what is going on here? And then as I got into the custody
:05:52. > :05:56.suite I was confronted by a detective I had not met before, and
:05:56. > :05:59.I was arrested in connection with the manslaughter of Mrs Masson.
:05:59. > :06:06.Dave now had to fight back, and it's these ordinary looking files
:06:06. > :06:09.which were to prove crucial to his case. I am merely keeping up the
:06:09. > :06:13.pressure so when things get further behind, or the...hits the fan, at
:06:13. > :06:15.least I can say we have been telling you. These are the emails
:06:15. > :06:18.which Dave repeatedly sent to his bosses, highlighting safety issues,
:06:18. > :06:22.staffing and budgeting which hampered him in his job. Whilst I
:06:22. > :06:24.understand the need to remain in budget, I am at a loss to how I can
:06:24. > :06:28.be expected to maintain a safe compliant railway with these
:06:29. > :06:32.restrictions placed upon us. What happened, anything? Very little. I
:06:32. > :06:35.think it was another one that went into their bundle" And that is one
:06:35. > :06:38.of what amounts to a massive dossier of you raising concerns?
:06:38. > :06:48.Yes, it is a whole year and a bit's worth of raising concerns.
:06:48. > :06:50.
:06:51. > :06:54.important has this lot been to you? Really, it's saved my bacon. At the
:06:54. > :07:03.inquest into his mother's death George was to meet face to face
:07:03. > :07:07.with Dave for the first time. Lewis, the Network Engineer...
:07:07. > :07:16.wanted to rip his head off his shoulders I just wanted to kill him,
:07:16. > :07:20.that is the way I felt. He took my mother's, I'll take his life.
:07:20. > :07:28.Lewis had highlighted safety concerns one year and where, in an
:07:28. > :07:36.I had all my files out looking at everything going over and over and
:07:36. > :07:39.over again. This was my moment to tell my bit of this story. When I
:07:39. > :07:45.heard his evidence I started putting 2 and 2 together and I said,
:07:45. > :07:46.no, this is not right. He did not deserve that, especially when I
:07:46. > :07:56.heard the emails, telephone conversations and team meetings,
:07:56. > :08:11.
:08:11. > :08:15.I stood up and the coroner asked if I had anything to say. I told him I
:08:15. > :08:18.said, "For what that man tried to do I respect him. I'll have a drink
:08:18. > :08:26.with him any time." And it's time for George to make good on his
:08:26. > :08:29.promise. You are looking a touch nervous Dave? I have the same
:08:29. > :08:33.feeling that I did before I went into the Police interview room for
:08:33. > :08:40.my first interview. Really this is meant to be good? Yeah, I know it
:08:40. > :08:45.is going to be good, but my body is feeling that way. Let's get it over.
:08:45. > :08:49.Hi, George, good to see you. What does it feel like to see each other
:08:49. > :08:59.again now? It's been nice. I have been looking forward to it. Nice to
:08:59. > :09:01.
:09:01. > :09:06.see him with a smile on his face! Yeah, I was quite down.
:09:06. > :09:13.invitation was for a drink so I guess that should happen? What
:09:13. > :09:21.would you like, Dave? Pint of bitter please. We call it heavy up
:09:21. > :09:31.You made a mistake, I forgive you for that. The other person should
:09:31. > :09:40.
:09:40. > :09:43.have listened. You must have upset the apple cart somewhere? I ruffled
:09:43. > :09:47.a few feathers here and there. And then I spoke to your lawyer and he
:09:47. > :09:50.thanked me for what I said to you. It gave me a big lift George, like
:09:50. > :09:54.Willy said, I wasn't the smiliest person around, but speaking to you
:09:54. > :09:57.and the things you said to me. showed sincerity and remorse you've
:09:57. > :10:00.got to live with that same as I have live with it. What about
:10:00. > :10:04.closure for you now, is it closed? I've got that feeling yeah, going
:10:04. > :10:09.back home today will be a much nicer journey and I think I can
:10:09. > :10:13.close this book now. It's been nice to meet him with everything that's
:10:13. > :10:21.happened, I've got some closure for whats happened and I think he has
:10:21. > :10:31.also, and I class him as a friend now. This is a script that no one
:10:31. > :10:34.would ever dare write. Two families devastated by a tragedy and by
:10:34. > :10:36.rights they should be on opposing sides but here they are united in
:10:36. > :10:39.friendship over a pint all because of forgiveness, compassion,
:10:39. > :10:48.integrity and telling the truth. There is an end to this story that
:10:48. > :10:53.no one would ever believe unless you saw it with your own eyes.
:10:53. > :10:59.Still to come, a close encounter with dolphins off the north-east
:10:59. > :11:02.coast. There's a burning question in North Yorkshire - and we'll get
:11:02. > :11:04.the answer in the next 24 hours. Should the county allow a massive
:11:04. > :11:08.and controversial waste incineration plant to be built near
:11:08. > :11:13.Knaresborough? The cost to us all over the next 25 years? A
:11:13. > :11:23.staggering �1.4 billion. A cost- effective deal or a proposal that
:11:23. > :11:26.
:11:26. > :11:35.will burn a very large hole in our pockets? Everyone agrees that
:11:35. > :11:40.recycling is a good thing. But the question of what we do with the
:11:40. > :11:44.waste that's left behind, that's the subject of heated debate. I'm
:11:44. > :11:47.on my way up the A1 - because it's there that the battles lines have
:11:47. > :11:50.been drawn in a protracted war about the rights and wrongs of
:11:50. > :11:54.building a huge waste incineration plant that some fear will be too
:11:54. > :11:57.big, too expensive and be one incinerator too many. The row
:11:57. > :12:00.centres on this site at Allerton Park near Knaresborough, where a
:12:00. > :12:04.large incinerator and waste processing plant will be built
:12:05. > :12:14.using controversial PFI money. This is where the private sector builds
:12:15. > :12:19.
:12:19. > :12:22.facilities then charges the public sector to use them. And it's to
:12:22. > :12:25.this former quarry that all of North Yorkshire's household black
:12:25. > :12:28.bin bags will be sent. There will be extra recycling on site, and
:12:28. > :12:31.power created from waste the rest will be burnt. And of course, the
:12:31. > :12:34.size of such a plant has raised obvious concerns. Now if you're
:12:34. > :12:37.after a building that dominates the landscape look no further than
:12:37. > :12:40.Allerton Castle. But this grade 1 listed mansion will be dwarfed by
:12:40. > :12:42.the incinerator which would be built just a mile away. Millionaire
:12:42. > :12:48.American philanthropist Gerald Rolph is a trustee of the
:12:48. > :12:58.foundation that owns the castle. For him, the 70 metre incinerator
:12:58. > :13:01.
:13:01. > :13:11.chimney won't provide a room with a view. You can actually see, I think
:13:11. > :13:13.
:13:13. > :13:23.this should be, we cannot have this proposed incinerator. To me, to
:13:23. > :13:28.
:13:28. > :13:32.have that happen would be to the very strong detriment of here.
:13:32. > :13:38.solution has been 10 years in the offing. Landfill was increasingly
:13:38. > :13:41.seen as unsustainable and expensive. The local authority's answer was an
:13:41. > :13:44.incinerator plant -and almost �6 million in consultancy fees later
:13:44. > :13:48.its future is about to be decided. On the one side there's big
:13:48. > :13:50.business and two large local authorities. The incinerator will
:13:50. > :13:53.be built by waste management multi- national Amey Cespa, who'll then
:13:53. > :13:56.charge North Yorkshire County Council and the City of York
:13:56. > :14:06.Council to burn their domestic waste. They say it'll actually save
:14:06. > :14:07.
:14:07. > :14:11.money. North Yorkshire and York are facing a bill or something like
:14:12. > :14:20.�1.7 billion to deal with the their waste if we carry on doing it as we
:14:20. > :14:24.are. The project, as proposed, should reduce that to �1.4 billion.
:14:24. > :14:29.At this point in time those costs will continue to change. The most
:14:29. > :14:34.important thing is, this is not and was never meant to be the cheapest
:14:35. > :14:42.solution, this is about finding the best solution for the diversion of
:14:42. > :14:44.waste on land. But the protesters argue there are cheaper
:14:44. > :14:47.alternatives than spending �1.4 billion and 10,000 signatures have
:14:47. > :14:54.been gathered and local MPs brought on side. And in the evenings
:14:54. > :15:01.there's fighting talk. It is a typical point that this facility is
:15:01. > :15:07.far too big, something of this size. They say being tied to a 25 year
:15:07. > :15:14.deal doesn't make sense. There are other options were they could make
:15:14. > :15:17.more appropriate decisions down the track and save lots of money.
:15:17. > :15:25.protesters believe now's not the time to press ahead but to re-
:15:25. > :15:27.examine other options. They say that the proposed project is not
:15:27. > :15:30.the right solution to North Yorkshire's waste problem. And
:15:30. > :15:33.rather than one big incinerator they want smaller energy from waste
:15:33. > :15:36.centres, closer to the communities that create the rubbish in the
:15:36. > :15:39.first place. What to do with domestic waste has been an issue
:15:39. > :15:41.ever since the Victorians latched onto the idea of burning it. Over
:15:41. > :15:44.on the continent, they've been building incinerators close to
:15:44. > :15:50.urban centres so that schools, hospitals and residents can benefit
:15:50. > :15:53.from the heat that's produced. But with its countryside location, the
:15:53. > :15:56.heat from Allerton Park will be wasted - further proof, say the
:15:56. > :15:59.protestors, that it's being built in the wrong place. And what's
:15:59. > :16:01.fanning the flames is that Allerton Park isn't the only waste plant in
:16:01. > :16:03.the pipeline. There's talk of incinerators for Teesside,
:16:03. > :16:10.Ferrybridge and Kellingley. And some are wondering whether the
:16:10. > :16:15.Allerton Park scheme will be one chimney too many. The protesters
:16:15. > :16:17.have commissioned their own report on the proposal. One of Britain's
:16:17. > :16:19.leading waste consultancies have examined the figures for the
:16:20. > :16:25.Allerton Park incinerator, and say there's a problem. What we're
:16:25. > :16:31.concerned about, in terms of capacity is that because of these
:16:31. > :16:35.recycling rates, we have seen less and less material being thrown away
:16:35. > :16:41.and get we're seeing more and more facilities being built or going
:16:41. > :16:47.through the planning process to be built, so we are concerned that we
:16:47. > :16:55.will have more capacity to deal with this stuff than we will have
:16:56. > :16:58.refused. The councils deny there will be problems and say that even
:16:58. > :17:02.if there are fluctuations in domestic waste, commercial waste
:17:02. > :17:05.will fill the gap. And that's opened up another accusation that
:17:05. > :17:08.there could be a two tier pricing structure. A high one for the local
:17:08. > :17:14.authorities and a cheaper one to attract other waste companies.
:17:14. > :17:19.we then be charging the commercial operators less? The price will be
:17:19. > :17:23.fixed. And that will be cheaper than the council? Not necessarily,
:17:23. > :17:28.it is a cheap -- commercial decision. Will the council get at
:17:28. > :17:33.flexible rate? They are or have fixed rate so that whatever happens
:17:33. > :17:37.over the next 25 years the costs will remain the same. A council
:17:37. > :17:42.could find themselves it's no good then, of the cost of burning waste
:17:42. > :17:46.goes down they to be tied into a contract where they are paying a
:17:47. > :17:55.high rate. It is extremely unlikely that the cost of disposing of waste
:17:55. > :17:57.is going to go down. At one of North Yorkshire's largest private
:17:57. > :18:00.trade waste companies, they're watching developments closely,
:18:00. > :18:04.especially as more and more British firms are producing waste that can
:18:04. > :18:07.only be recycled. Driver in the commercial walk now is zero waste,
:18:07. > :18:12.companies working with you to reduce their waste and giving
:18:12. > :18:22.priority to recycling and recycling processes, so you're not looking at
:18:22. > :18:25.disposal. Do you ever see a wagon pulling up at Allerton Park?
:18:25. > :18:30.would be very surprised unless their model changes to treat the
:18:30. > :18:35.waste different lives. Back near Allerton park the residents remain
:18:35. > :18:44.worried about what the future might bring. It is just above the tree
:18:44. > :18:48.line there, on the other side. incinerator might be a bit too
:18:48. > :18:51.close for comfort for the locals but they deny a not in my back yard
:18:51. > :18:57.attitude. I'd turn the NIMBY argument on its head its York
:18:57. > :19:07.that's being the ultimate NIMBY by not having incineration within its
:19:07. > :19:12.
:19:12. > :19:22.boundaries. That seems to me to be like the autumn it -- ultimate
:19:22. > :19:24.NIMBY. So are there other waste solutions on the horizon? On the
:19:24. > :19:27.outskirts of Swindon, Advanced Plasma Power has developed an
:19:27. > :19:31.energy form called gas plasma - turning municipal waste into an
:19:31. > :19:33.energy rich gas which can be used in turbines, gas engines and fuel
:19:33. > :19:36.cells. They're also planning to return to landfill sites to reclaim
:19:36. > :19:38.the metals and plastics that we threw away decades ago thinking
:19:38. > :19:41.they were worthless. Local authorities could be sitting on
:19:41. > :19:44.goldmines, and rather than burning waste they could be digging it up.
:19:44. > :19:51.We are in the process of a paradigm shift from seeing waste as this
:19:51. > :19:58.rubbish that we throwaway, to a valuable resource in its own right,
:19:58. > :20:06.with reserves of gold, for instance higher than conventional sources of
:20:07. > :20:09.gold or. Whether it's gold or rubbish, north Yorkshire
:20:09. > :20:17.councillors have a big decision to make tomorrow, one that many
:20:17. > :20:20.believe could have consequences beyond the next 25 years. We're
:20:20. > :20:23.really lucky that this region is home to some of the best wildlife
:20:23. > :20:28.around. But some of the most beautiful creatures take a bit of
:20:28. > :20:38.tracking down. We asked Kirsten O'Brien to take to the North sea to
:20:38. > :20:54.
:20:54. > :20:58.hunt for an elusive species that This wonderful old is at the
:20:58. > :21:03.Natural History Society of Northumbria and stop it was written
:21:03. > :21:13.by two intrepid naturalists and it was about all the animals in the
:21:13. > :21:19.
:21:19. > :21:27.area. There is one particular species that I am interested in.
:21:27. > :21:30.I'm talking about white beaked dolphins. So I'm joining the 21st
:21:30. > :21:40.century equivalent of Menell and Perkins on the latest survey, 20
:21:40. > :21:41.
:21:41. > :21:49.miles out into the North Sea. This looks very high-tech. At the moment
:21:49. > :21:57.we are east of Newbiggin-by-the-Sea, heading roughly north to an area
:21:57. > :22:03.called Farne Deeps. It attracts prawns and other crustaceans which
:22:03. > :22:07.attract whales and dolphins and other predators. This is the most
:22:07. > :22:12.common dolphin off Northumberland, but we do not know exactly what
:22:12. > :22:18.they are doing or where they are. You think of Dalton's as friendly,
:22:18. > :22:27.is the species like that? The White beat Dolphin is the species that
:22:27. > :22:35.likes boughts. They will come close. They just set in the bow wave at
:22:35. > :22:45.the front of the board. Fingers crossed we will see them. Yes. An
:22:45. > :22:55.encounter with wildlife. Amazingly we get lucky, really quickly! The
:22:55. > :22:56.
:22:56. > :23:04.cat that! Beautiful. -- look at that. This is incredible balls of
:23:04. > :23:10.this is much more than I hoped we would see. -- this is incredible.
:23:10. > :23:13.Little is known about this animal, but we know that they are under
:23:13. > :23:17.threat and could be disappearing from the north-east coast. It is a
:23:17. > :23:22.cold water species. It does not like warmer water temperatures. If
:23:22. > :23:29.warmer water is making a sea temperatures rise then the white
:23:29. > :23:33.beaked dolphins, we will start to lose them of the North East Coast.
:23:33. > :23:38.But there could be a glimmer of hope for the dolphins. The Farne
:23:38. > :23:41.Deeps is so important, part of it could be protected by a Marine
:23:41. > :23:43.Conservation Zone. The list of sites is being drawn up now. But
:23:44. > :23:48.the time it's taking is frustrating environmentalists. The Government
:23:48. > :23:51.did make an undertaking and there was a massive consultation which
:23:51. > :23:58.took two years, which included groups like fishermen coming sector,
:23:58. > :24:01.and we came out at the end of that with an agreed set up sites. Why
:24:01. > :24:05.are we still waiting for them to be put in place? The legislation will
:24:05. > :24:09.only cover the seabed, and Steve wants to see extra protection for
:24:09. > :24:12.animals like dolphins. One of the things we're looking at here is
:24:12. > :24:17.whether they are there for feeding purposes or carding purposes. We
:24:17. > :24:21.think it is probably both, but the carving might be the most important
:24:21. > :24:27.because of the debt of the water. So without that site been protected,
:24:27. > :24:33.the animal itself is not receiving animal protection. But fishermen
:24:33. > :24:38.are wary of the new plans. We see this as the thin end of the wage.
:24:38. > :24:42.It will come to the point where we are not able to fish sustainable
:24:42. > :24:46.waters. It has been talked about for two years. As it not been
:24:46. > :24:51.bashed out by now? We are bashed about black and blue but we have
:24:51. > :24:55.not reached a consensus. I would like to see some of the condoms --
:24:55. > :24:59.conservation zone brought in but monitored, to see their effects,
:24:59. > :25:04.before there is full implementation. So that people can see how they can
:25:04. > :25:09.work with them and see what benefits they bring, and what
:25:09. > :25:19.disadvantages come with them. The job is tricky enough to start with.
:25:19. > :25:20.
:25:20. > :25:25.Everyone can catch their quota, no problem. It is not just about
:25:25. > :25:31.wildlife, but sustainability. We all eat fish and other things that
:25:31. > :25:36.come from the seashore. It is in our interests that the resource is
:25:36. > :25:39.managed sustainably. It's estimated there are around 3,000 white-beaked
:25:39. > :25:49.dolphins in the North Sea. Sadly, every year, some are washed up on
:25:49. > :25:49.
:25:49. > :25:59.the beaches. We thought it was a dead seal, but upon for the
:25:59. > :26:01.
:26:01. > :26:05.investigation it turned out to be a White beat Dolphin. -- white beaked.
:26:05. > :26:09.At Druidge Bay last year, a group walkers came across this dolphin.
:26:09. > :26:13.The find meant more evidence could be collated about the animal. The
:26:13. > :26:17.autopsy concluded the adult male was in good health, and had most
:26:17. > :26:24.likely died after being stranded on the beach. Back on the boat, our
:26:24. > :26:34.eagle-eyed surveyors are still scanning the sea. It is good to
:26:34. > :26:37.come out and see if we can see them in their natural habitat. And at
:26:37. > :26:47.the end of the day, another bonus. While we steam for home, there's
:26:47. > :26:55.one final treat. A calf and an adult. A Minke whale! A teeny calf,
:26:55. > :27:01.that one. Has that been a good day? It has been excellent, we have
:27:01. > :27:10.surveyed 100 miles, we have seen 32 white beaked dolphins in different
:27:10. > :27:13.groups, and an adult and calf minke whale. It is not get much better.
:27:13. > :27:21.The next stage of research involves some detective work, so each
:27:21. > :27:29.dolphin can be identified and added to a database. We use dorsal edge
:27:29. > :27:33.markings. Scars and so on on the fin. Rose scars are a unique
:27:33. > :27:41.identifier for other animal. We want to see if we're seeing the
:27:41. > :27:47.same or different ones, from one year to the next. If they are the
:27:47. > :27:50.same arm they moving throughout the season? Whichever side of the
:27:50. > :27:58.conservation argument you come down on, there's no doubt, these are
:27:58. > :28:05.lovely animals. Just to be on the trail of those beautiful, elusive
:28:05. > :28:09.creatures has been a privilege. And from the glimpses I saw they were
:28:09. > :28:17.huge and grizzled. Hopefully the data collected will help us
:28:17. > :28:27.understand them better and I hope that those Victorian naturalists
:28:27. > :28:29.
:28:29. > :28:35.Mennell and Perkins would be justly proud. Incredible we managed to
:28:35. > :28:41.find a sunny day to film that! If you've a view on the dolphins then