:00:05. > :00:15.In the next half an hour, the secret weapon that helped track down a
:00:15. > :00:19.killer. It was getting health and safety silly — so I said to them,
:00:19. > :00:24."Give me a gun, and I'll go and get him!" They had a good laugh. It
:00:24. > :00:31.broke the tension. Can the rough and tumble of rugby tackle depression in
:00:31. > :00:35.the typical Northern male? A guy came up to me after the match and
:00:36. > :00:39.said, "I was going to kill myself tonight but I saw you and changed my
:00:39. > :00:48.mind." And the Teesside club that brought the stars to Stockton. It
:00:48. > :00:55.was the nearest thing to playing Las Vegas. Stories from the heart of the
:00:55. > :01:13.north—east and Cumbria. Rothbury hit the headlines when It's
:01:13. > :01:14.now more than three years since one of the biggest manhunts in British
:01:14. > :01:30.police history Rothbury hit the headlines when
:01:30. > :01:34.Raoul Moat went to ground here. Now in a first interview about the
:01:34. > :01:45.events, survival and tracking expert Ray Mears reveals his role behind
:01:45. > :02:00.the scenes. He is clearly extremely dangerous. Members of the public are
:02:00. > :02:09.advised to remain indoors. Tracking is tracking whether it is a leopard
:02:09. > :02:23.of antelope or man. Ray Mears, outdoor survival expert and
:02:24. > :02:28.television presenter. When he took to the woods, I thought, I'll make
:02:28. > :02:35.the call. I said if I can help you I will and on that basis they asked me
:02:35. > :02:47.if I would go up. Some of them did not want you there at all. Some of
:02:47. > :02:55.them, but others said it was an resource they should try. There were
:02:55. > :03:05.more armed police officers than I have ever seen before in my life.
:03:05. > :03:14.You would have been keen to maintain anonymity. We did the element of
:03:14. > :03:23.surprise. I had been told he would be scanning the airwaves. We didn't
:03:23. > :03:32.want him sitting in ambush of making preparations. My assessment was that
:03:32. > :03:41.in the woodland at night the only thing confining him was his
:03:41. > :03:52.psychological state. A massive police operation continues: we could
:03:52. > :04:11.not go to the tent site. It had already been released to the press.
:04:11. > :04:15.Was that a mistake? From my perspective as the track it was a
:04:15. > :04:25.mistake. It is an obvious point to start from. But tracking is not
:04:25. > :04:37.normally a police tool. So from the prospect of it was a waste of
:04:37. > :04:40.resources. He could be anywhere. These officers are searching for a
:04:40. > :04:47.man who says he wants to kill them... Officers surrounded a remote
:04:47. > :04:54.farmhouse, sending any police dog 1st... Tracking can be passive
:04:54. > :05:06.aggressive. This needed to be aggressive. We may determine the
:05:06. > :05:14.open. What was the plan? They didn't want me at the front. But if I'm not
:05:14. > :05:19.at the front I am no use to you. It was getting health and safety silly
:05:19. > :05:25.— so I said to them "Give me a gun, and I'll go and get him!" They had a
:05:25. > :05:31.good laugh. It broke the tension. He had won them over and out they could
:05:31. > :05:46.get going. Describe what you are looking for. Damage to vegetation.
:05:47. > :05:53.But anything less than an hour old and we would follow. How do you know
:05:53. > :06:03.that? You can tell. Anything that has aged. Even dry twigs. It is an
:06:03. > :06:06.imprecise science. I did find evidence, places he had been
:06:06. > :06:09.collecting materials, a place he had slept, food remains. Indications he
:06:09. > :06:19.had been pacing back and forward, a trail he had concealed. He had gone
:06:19. > :06:32.to great lengths. At one point he had been moving back and forward in
:06:32. > :06:53.a state of anger and confusion. A mutual respect soon grew between the
:06:53. > :07:06.presenter and the police. They had a clear sense of duty to protect the
:07:06. > :07:12.public. And also to protect him. The dogs give us the indication the Met
:07:12. > :07:15.have been something. I have been told that when the police were
:07:15. > :07:19.negotiating with them he told the police he was visited by one of our
:07:19. > :07:30.dogs. So you were within?? 20 metres. Really? I am convinced he
:07:30. > :07:38.saw us at one point. But the tracker said the biggest obstacle was the
:07:38. > :07:50.media. The police were relying on the press to help. You did not see
:07:50. > :07:54.it like that? I didn't see it like that at all. They were getting in
:07:54. > :07:58.the way. They were trying to get into the woodland. Resources had to
:07:58. > :08:03.be diverted to draw them away — it could have been a pressman who was
:08:03. > :08:06.next shot. You can see all the police on the embankment. I don't
:08:06. > :08:12.think I will ever trust 24 hours news again. Because of what you saw?
:08:12. > :08:15.I was on both sides of the fence — I would like journalists to say "I
:08:15. > :08:20.haven't got anything to tell you at the moment." The viewers aren't
:08:20. > :08:26.stupid! With the Keller just out of reach the search party called it a
:08:26. > :08:35.day. Within minutes of returning however, what came in over the
:08:35. > :08:40.radio. He had emerged. The media was made to move back. Eyewitnesses
:08:40. > :08:49.could see a man with a gun pointing at his neck. Potentially you helped
:08:49. > :08:56.flush him out. Potentially. But we will never know. That is a
:08:56. > :09:05.frustration. He was a physically strong individual. I think it would
:09:05. > :09:12.have gone on. There was a real risk that he would have gone in search of
:09:12. > :09:18.hostages taken some of them. Do you think they were correct to bring
:09:18. > :09:24.your own? I was able to confirm he was still in the area. That was
:09:24. > :09:30.important. He had been denied access to a support network. But then he
:09:30. > :09:35.vanished from the radar. You have all these resources, where do you
:09:35. > :09:37.deploy them? Knowing he was still in the area meant that, yes, he was
:09:37. > :09:53.still bottled up. The fugitive has turned the gun on
:09:53. > :10:02.himself. He is now dead. This is a notorious case. Is this a case of "I
:10:02. > :10:10.And profiting from it? No that's not my interest. I am not trying to sell
:10:10. > :10:17.a book. I just want the story told accurately and honestly. Last
:10:17. > :10:20.weekend saw the climax of this season's Rugby Super League. But
:10:20. > :10:27.away from the glamour of the Grand Final, this tough sport has taken on
:10:27. > :10:30.a tough battle. Tackling high suicide rates. We sent BBC 5Live's
:10:30. > :10:34.Rugby League reporter George Riley on a journey — to find out if
:10:34. > :10:46.sportsmen can really hold the key to better mental health across the
:10:46. > :11:01.north. It got bad. To the point it decided I did not want a beer. —— to
:11:01. > :11:08.be here. I was gobsmacked. He had made so many plans. For so long this
:11:08. > :11:16.has been heading away and unspoken of. Suicide is by far the biggest
:11:16. > :11:20.killer of young men. It's become a talking point in rugby league — and
:11:20. > :11:24.even more so across our towns and cities. I'm going across the north
:11:24. > :11:27.to try and find out WHY we're being hit harder than other parts of the
:11:27. > :11:36.country. And whether Rugby League can show the way in preventing
:11:36. > :11:42.suicide. Leeds, Wigan, Bradford, Great Britain. Terry Newton was a
:11:42. > :11:55.massive name in Rugby. What happened to him three years ago, shook the
:11:55. > :11:59.sporting world. I got a phonecall off Brian Carney who was also a good
:11:59. > :12:03.friend of Terry. He told me the news. He said, "I don't know for
:12:03. > :12:06.definite but I think there's been a terrible incident. I think Terry's
:12:06. > :12:11.hung himself." Terry Newton had been banned from Rugby after taking
:12:11. > :12:15.growth hormone. He had been banned from rugby for taking growth
:12:15. > :12:18.hormone. But still, not even his best friends, had any idea. Terry
:12:19. > :12:22.was very good at hiding his problems and his feelings and if you spoke to
:12:22. > :12:28.him you'd think nothing was wrong. Rugby had to change. And tackle
:12:28. > :12:34.mental health problems head on. Bishop Burton college. Base for Hull
:12:34. > :12:42.FC's academy. They're only just starting out. This could be the most
:12:42. > :12:50.important piece of training they'll get. A talk from the charity State
:12:50. > :12:54.of Mind. The focus for is if you get mentally fit, deal with ups and
:12:54. > :13:02.downs of life, the potential is you may not feel overwhelmed and feel
:13:02. > :13:07.there's no way out. Phil's an NHS practioner. Jimmy Gittins a former
:13:07. > :13:11.professional player, who was initially paralysed after breaking
:13:11. > :13:18.his neck. His physical injury led to a psychological battle. It were just
:13:18. > :13:21.more the fact that what I'd been given as the prospect of life, I
:13:22. > :13:27.didn't want. I don't suppose anyone would. The darkest point for me is
:13:27. > :13:31.when I asked my brother to put a pillow over my face — I wanted out.
:13:31. > :13:34.Clearly my situation was horrendous, I wouldn't wish it on my worst
:13:34. > :13:39.enemy, but that's the cards I've been dealt so I've just got to get
:13:39. > :13:43.on with it. But even without an horrific injury, professional sport
:13:43. > :13:58.brings huge stress. Many suffer from depression. I did not realise it was
:13:58. > :14:03.the stress of the job. We live in a match your, tough, aggressive game.
:14:03. > :14:07.It is almost taboo to show any weakness, physically or emotionally.
:14:07. > :14:10.Suicide. Depression. Issues that are now being openly discussed within
:14:10. > :14:14.Rugby League, and are mirrored in Northern communities. When we first
:14:14. > :14:17.began, we noticed that suicide rates in all Super League areas are higher
:14:17. > :14:19.than the national average, when that's the case you realise there's
:14:19. > :14:50.a potential problem. What are those facts? I have come to
:14:50. > :14:53.the north—east where there is a higher rate of suicide in men than
:14:53. > :14:58.any other part of England. I'm meeting one mum who, overnight,
:14:58. > :15:06.became an expert. Daniel was 19. He had a job, he was very popular. We
:15:06. > :15:21.went shopping one day, left Daniel at home. He'd taken his own life. He
:15:21. > :15:24.was just an ordinary, happy young man who was down in the dumps
:15:24. > :15:34.sometimes, but nothing that you'd think he was suicidal. That they
:15:34. > :15:37.will stay with us for ever. Some days it's easier to manage than
:15:37. > :15:39.others but fundamentally it destroys who you are and your outlook on
:15:39. > :15:50.life. Daniel never spoke about his
:15:50. > :15:55.feelings. So his family set up a charity to break the taboo of
:15:55. > :16:02.talking about suicide. If you care, share. Unfortunately the numbers
:16:02. > :16:06.increase that we are supporting and although we're only small we'll hit
:16:06. > :16:11.over the 200 mark for people who've been touched by suicide. Why is
:16:11. > :16:18.there such a high number of suicides in this area? A lot of people say
:16:18. > :16:22.it's employment or men's roles are changing, but I think predominantly,
:16:22. > :16:34.the main reason we have this problem is it's still a case of real men
:16:34. > :16:45.don't cry and show their emotions. It is seen as a weakness to talk
:16:45. > :16:48.about your feelings and emotions. I think we are still seeing
:16:48. > :16:51.repercussions of that. Because in areas like this, the
:16:51. > :17:00.Rugby League town of Gateshead, those jobs have gone. Ronnie's had
:17:00. > :17:05.depression for more than 50 years. I was in such a state, I just wanted
:17:05. > :17:13.to stop it. I ended up where I took an overdose. I can tell that you
:17:13. > :17:20.think it is good to speak, you are speaking about something that is not
:17:20. > :17:24.easy to speak about. I am not shy about telling people that I've tried
:17:25. > :17:28.to kill myself. I'm a believer you should get it out of your system.
:17:28. > :17:32.How honest are you with nearest and dearest about how you're feeling —
:17:32. > :17:37.if you want to be on your own, do you tell them or do you make up an
:17:37. > :17:39.excuse? I make up an excuse, mainly because I'd rather they weren't
:17:39. > :17:43.worrying about me because they've got their own lives to lead. One of
:17:43. > :17:46.the things talking to Ronnie was finding someone so willing to talk
:17:46. > :17:50.so frankly about something so personal to a stranger like me yet
:17:50. > :17:54.at the same time struggling to open up to his family. So there still
:17:54. > :17:57.does seem to be some stigma attached to talking about mental health. So
:17:57. > :18:04.can professional sportsmen finally help remove that stigma?
:18:04. > :18:07.These are iconic figures in their community and if those figures talk
:18:07. > :18:14.about mental health and talk about their own mental health challenges,
:18:14. > :18:18.it can give the OK to everybody else to feel they can talk about it.
:18:18. > :18:22.It's August. Game 25 of the Super League season. State of Mind is
:18:22. > :18:29.targeting a number of high profile games, to attack high suicide rates
:18:29. > :18:33.in the North. The SOM rugby website, it gives you all the details about
:18:33. > :18:35.services in the area. It's a brilliant campaign this, it's been
:18:36. > :18:38.recognised by all kinds of famous people on Twitter. They're all
:18:38. > :18:42.recognising it. Talking about it breaks so many boundaries down. My
:18:42. > :18:46.dad used to sit beside my bed and say, "penny for 'em." He knew what I
:18:46. > :18:56.were thinking but he needed to get it out of me so he could help.
:18:56. > :19:01.We were at one of the games that weekend and a guy came up to me
:19:01. > :19:13.after the match and . We discussed it with them. They
:19:13. > :19:17.came back at the end of the game and said "I was going to kill myself
:19:17. > :19:18.tonight, but I saw you and changed my mind." that is quite a powerful
:19:18. > :19:30.thing for any project to achieve. Now, if you want to see the world's
:19:30. > :19:38.top acts on stage it could set you back hundreds of pounds for a ticket
:19:38. > :19:43.these days. Back in the 60s, you could get up, close and personal
:19:44. > :19:53.with stars who flocked to Teeside. Club Fiesta brought a touch of Las
:19:53. > :19:57.Vegas. It was the back end of the swinging
:19:57. > :20:00.sixties and Michael Jackson, the Beach Boys, Stevie Wonder and Roy
:20:00. > :20:04.Orbison were just a few of the stellar names who flocked to play
:20:04. > :20:09.here in Sheffield. And here in Stockton on Tees. It was the nearest
:20:09. > :20:25.thing to blame Las Vegas. This man turned down Frank Sinatra
:20:25. > :20:29.because he wanted too much money. I want to know how he opened the
:20:29. > :20:32.Fiesta and turned it into the biggest nightclub in Europe. Back in
:20:32. > :20:35.his prime, Keith Lipthorpe and his late brother, Jim, toured with their
:20:35. > :20:38.band and their experiences on the road inspired them to want more for
:20:38. > :20:40.audiences and artists alike. I'm on my way to where it all
:20:40. > :20:48.started — Stockton. Robert Mundy used to play in Roy
:20:48. > :20:51.Orbison's band. The superstar recorded a live album at the
:20:51. > :21:01.Stockton Fiesta club and would play there for weeks at a time. We were
:21:01. > :21:05.going there with Roy. Mostly, we stayed at the hotel, we did not go
:21:05. > :21:09.out much, but one time we went out with him and Barbara and we went
:21:09. > :21:14.down to Redcar Beach and took him along there. It was really unreached
:21:14. > :21:19.—— unusual. He had never been to a northern beach. I think people were
:21:19. > :21:26.around. When they saw him, they thought he was an impersonator.
:21:26. > :21:33.This is the Club Fiesta today. It's now a church. Once, the North East's
:21:33. > :21:38.music fans came here to worship the stars.
:21:38. > :21:48.And the man who started it all has made a nostalgic trip back to tell
:21:48. > :21:53.me all about it. I decided that I wanted to run a business by my own.
:21:53. > :21:56.I thought of opening... Maybe a nightclub. We tossed a coin and
:21:56. > :22:03.luckily it came down on the nightclub side. I enjoyed it, but I
:22:03. > :22:08.realised that out of all the places I went to, there was no at this ——
:22:08. > :22:14.atmosphere, so I thought if we do it properly, it would make a
:22:14. > :22:17.difference. The Fiesta experience wouldn't have been complete without
:22:17. > :22:20.the fawns — the glamorous hostesses who served the punters their food
:22:20. > :22:24.and drink. Sandy Whyte was a fawn and she never knew just what a night
:22:24. > :22:32.at work would bring. Some weird and wonderful things went on. There was
:22:32. > :22:37.a leopard involved in one act. I took the Leopard onto the stage, he
:22:37. > :22:40.ripped the jesting room chair to bits and the carpets. I had to
:22:40. > :22:49.literally grip drag him across the stage. That was our life. Rock and
:22:49. > :23:04.roll, without the other bits. It was boomtime. 7500 cabaret was not their
:23:04. > :23:10.medium. Wonderful on television think they died a death, but I pay
:23:10. > :23:16.to see them, I was going to ask for my the best attack was a boy
:23:16. > :23:30.Alderson, really. He at least 80 evenings.
:23:30. > :23:34.The Lipthorpes planned to expand their empire beyond Stockton. Five
:23:34. > :23:37.years later, the Sheffield Fiesta opened. It was lavish, costing
:23:37. > :23:41.£500,000. There was to be a casino, a staff of 50, a resident band and
:23:41. > :23:44.even an in—house newspaper. No more cabaret. Nowadays, here, all
:23:44. > :23:47.the stars are all on screen. In Sheffield, this is what's left of
:23:47. > :23:50.the Fiesta club. Sat here it's difficult to imagine that Michael
:23:50. > :23:54.Jackson once strutted his stuff just yards away while people ate chicken
:23:54. > :23:56.in a basket. But this is what it looked like in here all those years
:23:56. > :24:05.ago. At its height, the club's ambitions
:24:05. > :24:09.knew no bounds. They wanted the biggest stars in the world. And they
:24:09. > :24:15.didn't come any bigger than the King himself. Todd Slaughter's been the
:24:15. > :24:20.president of the Elvis Fan Club of Great Britain since 1967. This
:24:20. > :24:25.footage shows him meeting his hero just before his final concert, in
:24:25. > :24:33.the early 70s. Todd tried to persuade Presley to play at the
:24:33. > :24:37.Sheffield Fiesta. Not only did the Fiesta want Elvis to come to
:24:37. > :24:42.Britain, but the record company did as well. RCA were selling many
:24:42. > :24:46.copies, they knew that if he touched our soil and appeared here, that
:24:46. > :24:50.number would increase. Todd met Elvis' manager and father to discuss
:24:50. > :24:54.the Fiesta's offer. But it was never to be. Presley died weeks after this
:24:54. > :25:01.film was shot having never set foot on British soil. —— he would never
:25:01. > :25:05.play in Britain. For a young, aspiring local singer, playing at
:25:05. > :25:09.the Fiesta was the pinnacle of his ambitions.
:25:09. > :25:16.I used to drive home and drive by the Fiesta. I used to see these
:25:16. > :25:23.great big lights and I used to think, one day, one day, I hope that
:25:23. > :25:28.I can play there. That would be making it. It would be like doing
:25:28. > :25:36.the Palladium. Every week, there was a world—famous act there, from Tommy
:25:36. > :25:43.Cooper to the Beach boys. Ella Fitzgerald. Some people would be
:25:43. > :25:47.including Tony Christie on that list, you actually recorded a live
:25:47. > :25:54.album there. Someone came to see me from the label. He came back and
:25:54. > :26:03.said, you know, we should record this as that is part of your
:26:03. > :26:07.history. This is what I carried around the club for five years, up
:26:07. > :26:13.and down the stairs in my shoes. Pat Bennett was a Fiesta Fawn in
:26:13. > :26:19.Sheffield. J cloth on here, 20 drinks, working hard seven hours a
:26:19. > :26:23.night, six nights a week. I went in on the seventh as a customer. I
:26:23. > :26:25.lived and breathed it until it closed down. Many couples got
:26:25. > :26:29.together with their husbands and wives at the Fiesta club, not to
:26:29. > :26:32.mention other peoples'. Pat Bennett met Patrick Wainwright while he was
:26:32. > :26:42.a doorman there, but it wasn't until 35 years later that they actually
:26:43. > :26:46.got together. We quite soon had a mutual attraction between us. We
:26:46. > :26:51.couldn't quite get off the ground at the time. Wrong place, wrong time.
:26:51. > :26:55.But it was something that I never forgot. By the time we got back in
:26:55. > :27:00.touch, we had both been single with our kids for six years, so we found
:27:00. > :27:02.each other at the right time, as it were.
:27:02. > :27:05.But, in Sheffield, all was not well. After six glorious years, the
:27:05. > :27:12.financial backers had their say. If that wasn't bad enough, the staff
:27:12. > :27:18.went on strike, too. I said, you can't expect... It is sold out.
:27:18. > :27:26.Unfortunately, I crossed the picket line and did my gig. All empires
:27:26. > :27:29.crumble. The Fiesta was no different. Gambling laws, financial
:27:29. > :27:31.demands of the stars and the economic climate meant the club was
:27:31. > :27:42.no longer viable. After 11 years, the sums didn't add
:27:42. > :27:51.up and Keith parted company with the club Fiesta. He went back to
:27:51. > :27:55.accountancy. Partly because the costs were so high, in all of the
:27:55. > :28:00.years I was in that business, I think we only had about two dozen
:28:00. > :28:04.nights where we were really busy. At one point, there were losses of
:28:04. > :28:07.£86,000 on Sheffield alone. For a while, the Stockton Fiesta
:28:07. > :28:11.staged the World Darts Tournament. The clubs limped on for a few more
:28:11. > :28:13.years, but cabaret had had its day. It must have been great while it
:28:13. > :28:25.lasted. That is it for tonight. Don't
:28:25. > :28:33.forget, there is more of my interview with Ray Mears on my blog.
:28:34. > :28:41.I will be setting up shop to ask just how safe street food is. I will
:28:41. > :28:45.see you next Monday. Until then, good night.