:00:07. > :00:10.Howell, and Tony Livesey. Welcome to Inside Out north-west. This week,
:00:10. > :00:14.we are in Bolton, where we will find out how this market is doing
:00:14. > :00:19.during the recession. On tonight's programme...
:00:19. > :00:23.Marks & Spencer in the firing line. R �1 million fine for asbestos
:00:23. > :00:29.breaches. We reveal the company was warned of problems eight years
:00:29. > :00:34.earlier. I recommended that all areas were
:00:34. > :00:39.handed over to the licensed asbestos removal. Coming to the
:00:39. > :00:44.street near you - at the pay-day loans shop. We examine the battle
:00:44. > :00:50.to try and control them. We are getting to the stage where
:00:50. > :00:55.politicians have an appetite to regulate pay-day loans companies.
:00:55. > :01:00.This is celeriac. It is a root vegetable, a bit ugly looking...
:01:00. > :01:10.I am going back to their roots - the ball to market teaching
:01:10. > :01:19.
:01:19. > :01:23.shoppers healthy eating. -- the Managers turned a blind eye to
:01:23. > :01:27.complaints about asbestos, and shoppers are right to be anxious
:01:27. > :01:32.over whether they believed potentially lethal asbestos fibres.
:01:32. > :01:35.That was the view of a judge as he imposed a �1 million fine on one of
:01:35. > :01:40.Britain's best-known retailers after a health and safety breach at
:01:40. > :01:50.a store in the south. Inside Out has been asking if the problems
:01:50. > :01:54.were confined to just one Marks & Peter Jackson was a warehouse man
:01:54. > :02:00.at M&S in Ashton under Lyne for almost three decade. Seven years
:02:00. > :02:04.ago he was diagnosed with mesothelioma. The doctor asked him
:02:04. > :02:10.he had for it -- if he had worked with asbestos and he said he had
:02:11. > :02:14.not. While Peter chatted to wipe them
:02:14. > :02:17.during a store refurbishment, he was breathing dust from ceiling
:02:17. > :02:24.tiles they were working on Ajax described conditions in a statement.
:02:24. > :02:28.I could see the dust in the auction grit. Men doing the work wore white
:02:28. > :02:34.boiler suit and masks. I wore my own clothes.
:02:34. > :02:40.The dust contained asbestos. People died in 2008 and was paid
:02:40. > :02:44.compensation by M&S. -- Peter died. If you look back to the 1960s and
:02:44. > :02:49.1970s come into is possible staff were exposed to asbestos.
:02:49. > :02:53.Society did not understand the risks as we do today. It is tragic
:02:53. > :02:56.our staff and colleagues were affected in this way. Any illness
:02:56. > :03:02.relating to asbestos is terrible, and we paid compensation come and
:03:02. > :03:06.that is right. I am clear that we have learned our policies have
:03:06. > :03:11.become industry leading. Peter is one of a number of people
:03:11. > :03:18.it is claimed developed asbestos related disease from working at M&S.
:03:18. > :03:22.They include James McCann, a ceiling fitter who often worked at
:03:23. > :03:28.M&S and Liverpool and the north- west in the 1960s and 70s.
:03:28. > :03:35.The whole thing is a dusty operation. You're drilling 16 holes
:03:35. > :03:42.in every tile, you were cutting, working, chamfering. I would come
:03:42. > :03:48.home once and my mother thought I looked very ill, she said, Jim, you
:03:48. > :03:53.look ashen. It was the asbestos on my face. James has pleural plaques,
:03:53. > :03:58.lung scarring caused by the asbestos. I think it is impossible
:03:58. > :04:02.to say that the link to work in Marks & Spencer is the cause,
:04:02. > :04:06.because these people worked for a long time on a variety of projects
:04:06. > :04:11.in different buildings. It is unfortunate many of the people who
:04:11. > :04:15.worked in the building trade at that time were exposed to asbestos,
:04:15. > :04:19.and the tragic consequences we see today. Most of our major retailers
:04:19. > :04:24.have stores that contain asbestos, some have even been fined for
:04:24. > :04:32.breaching regulations. They include Ajax of Fraser, the quarter,
:04:32. > :04:37.Topshop and John Lewis. -- House of Fraser. But evidence we have of M&S
:04:37. > :04:42.is worrying. It suggests the risks to customers, staff and contractors
:04:42. > :04:48.may not have been fully acknowledged. One case in
:04:48. > :04:52.particular is concerning. In 1998, M&S reproduces its flab -- flagship
:04:52. > :04:56.store in Marble Arch in London. William Wallace, a health and
:04:56. > :05:00.safety officer, is horrified by what he sees.
:05:00. > :05:05.They wear asbestos mine fields, for the want of a better expression.
:05:05. > :05:10.You could not have guaranteed the safety of anybody. He said he
:05:10. > :05:15.flagged up the safety problems with little effect, so began copying
:05:15. > :05:19.pages left by the day and night shifts. This report from April,
:05:19. > :05:25.1998, says the day shift has done it again. Cladding has been
:05:25. > :05:29.stripped with a sledgehammer. Asbestos is everywhere. It is the
:05:29. > :05:33.third occasion in a week where they have had to clear up after a
:05:33. > :05:42.dangerous or currents. Somebody has to controlled the day shift if they
:05:42. > :05:47.do not want the store closed and the HS C -- H S E crawling all over
:05:47. > :05:52.you. Have renders, scandalous. A
:05:52. > :05:59.recommended all areas were handed Oldham -- overtook licensed
:05:59. > :06:04.asbestos removal. William Wallace wrote to the M&S executive Sir
:06:04. > :06:08.Richard Greenbury and met senior managers. M&S says it takes the
:06:08. > :06:11.matter seriously and is taking appropriate action. What action did
:06:11. > :06:16.it take? Or on the face of those allegations,
:06:16. > :06:19.they are worrying, but our team at the time, 15 years ago, thoroughly
:06:19. > :06:23.investigated. They thoroughly investigated three months
:06:23. > :06:26.afterwards, and I have spoken to those individuals and can find no
:06:26. > :06:32.case whatsoever to say that any member of staff or the public were
:06:32. > :06:36.put at risk. M&S also says William Wallace was mistaken about which
:06:36. > :06:39.materials may have contained asbestos. We understand and
:06:39. > :06:46.investigators believe there was not asbestos everywhere.
:06:46. > :06:51.We invited Mr Wallace in. His cool wit -- claims were discussed. He
:06:51. > :06:54.went a week, we think, happy. At the same time he was invited to
:06:54. > :06:59.report to the Health and Safety Executive, but did not do that,
:06:59. > :07:03.therefore we believe there is no case to answer. In 2006, William
:07:03. > :07:07.Wallace began working as a safety manager for a contractor
:07:07. > :07:13.refurbishing M&S Reading. He is horrified again by what PCs. There
:07:13. > :07:18.was very little control by the various contractors being asked to
:07:18. > :07:23.work on the ceiling voids. I did find other reports of incidents
:07:23. > :07:27.that had awkward. Very frightening. It's scary, really. Following a
:07:27. > :07:34.tip-off, the Health and Safety Executive squad on the Reading
:07:34. > :07:38.store. MMS and two contractors are prosecuted. -- M&S.
:07:39. > :07:42.This building worker fears being blacklisted by the industry, so we
:07:43. > :07:47.have disguised his identity. He describes to the court a girl
:07:47. > :07:50.stacking sandwich packs. You could see the dust falling down on to
:07:50. > :07:54.this girl. We approached her and asked her if she would move
:07:54. > :07:59.somewhere else. The Night Manager responsible for the refilling of
:07:59. > :08:03.the shells came and went absolutely ballistic at us. He said, you do
:08:03. > :08:07.not tell our staff would ago and sent us back. The gaps in the
:08:07. > :08:11.ceiling are initially sealed with hardboard. It fell out of the
:08:11. > :08:16.ceiling narrowly missing a small child in a buggy by a couple of
:08:16. > :08:22.feet. That trialled would obviously have had asbestos fibres and dust,
:08:22. > :08:25.as would the mother and anyone in the area. In court, Marks & Spencer
:08:25. > :08:28.tried to blame contractors for all problems.
:08:28. > :08:32.We are clear that the implementation of policy at Reading
:08:32. > :08:36.was not correct. We will make sure that never happens again. We will
:08:36. > :08:39.check thoroughly the policy is being internet did and I might
:08:39. > :08:44.policy today is leading that standard in the industry and a
:08:44. > :08:50.world. Industry leading, get fans were switched on in a roof where
:08:50. > :08:54.potentially there was asbestos. This is regrettable. As I said,
:08:54. > :08:57.implementation of policy was not good in Reading, we are sorry about
:08:57. > :09:02.that and have taken steps to make sure it never happens again. M&S
:09:02. > :09:07.was found guilty of asbestos breaches in Reading, fined �1
:09:07. > :09:12.million and ordered to pay �600,000 in costs. The judge said there had
:09:12. > :09:15.been a systemic failure by M&S management. Their response to
:09:15. > :09:18.Yemenis -- asbestos safety complaint had been to turn a blind
:09:18. > :09:24.eye to what was happening because the asbestos what was already
:09:24. > :09:28.costing the company too much. To keep profits as high as reasonably
:09:28. > :09:35.proffered -- possible, insufficient time and space were allocated to
:09:35. > :09:38.asbestos removal. M&S has never put profit before safety. Our
:09:38. > :09:42.investigations were full and thorough. We had a good policy that
:09:42. > :09:45.the judge described as sensible and practical. The implementation of
:09:45. > :09:52.the policy was not good in Reading, and we are very sorry, we regret
:09:52. > :09:56.that. The judge said contractors, staff and shoppers have a right to
:09:56. > :10:01.be anxious about whether they have believed asbestos fibres and what
:10:01. > :10:06.effect that might have won their well-being and future. But M&S
:10:06. > :10:09.disagrees. I think, in its protest amid --
:10:09. > :10:13.expert testimony at Reading says there is no risk to customers or
:10:13. > :10:19.staff. Two of M&S's contractors were also
:10:19. > :10:21.fined. The company was found not guilty of asbestos breaching
:10:21. > :10:26.regulations at Bournemouth and Plymouth.
:10:26. > :10:30.But the year, 4,000 people died of mesothelioma and asbestos related
:10:31. > :10:34.lung cancer. -- every year. The pace of the
:10:34. > :10:39.disease appeared -- means people will never know when or where they
:10:39. > :10:44.were exposed. Two Marks & Spencer Andy Powell of the retail industry,
:10:44. > :10:48.what happened 10, 20 or 30 years ago may still have an impact today.
:10:48. > :10:58.Any suggestion contractors, workers or customers were put at risk
:10:58. > :11:00.
:11:00. > :11:05.Coming up... Bargains in Bolton. The market by
:11:05. > :11:14.offering a European first. You have to keep hold of the
:11:15. > :11:18.customers you have and build on the The recession is hitting our High
:11:18. > :11:23.Street hard, but despite tough trading conditions, one particular
:11:23. > :11:33.kind of shock is thriving. Pay-day loans stores are increasingly
:11:33. > :11:39.
:11:39. > :11:43.common and are dominating shopping Pay-day loans companies have
:11:43. > :11:48.undergone a boom as the recession has taken hold. The industry has
:11:48. > :11:58.grown fivefold in the last five years. It is currently worth around
:11:58. > :12:01.
:12:01. > :12:06.onto the high street, which some find a worrying development.
:12:06. > :12:10.People get sucked into borrowing money from these companies and find
:12:10. > :12:13.it very difficult to get out from it. The misery that is created by
:12:13. > :12:18.pay-day loans companies in Rochdale is substantial.
:12:18. > :12:22.On tonight's Inside Out, we investigate the growth of pay-day
:12:22. > :12:25.loans companies on our high street and ask whether the high interest
:12:25. > :12:30.credit sector is taking money away from the poorest communities.
:12:30. > :12:36.Here in Rochdale's, pay-day blunts companies provide small loans to
:12:36. > :12:40.shoppers on the high street. They give short-term fixed cost of flat
:12:40. > :12:45.fee loans, including to those with poor credit history. They are
:12:45. > :12:49.supposed to take people over to pay-day, but many offered to roll
:12:50. > :12:53.over the loan until next month. With interest rates of up to 4,000%,
:12:53. > :13:00.some customers have struggled to keep up payments. This woman
:13:00. > :13:02.borrowed �100.30 years ago and now owns -- now always nearly �2,500
:13:02. > :13:07.after borrowing more money elsewhere to meet the original
:13:07. > :13:10.payment. They very stressful, I don't sleep
:13:10. > :13:14.and things like that. We are constantly worrying about it. I
:13:14. > :13:19.think they prey on the vulnerable because they know that you want the
:13:19. > :13:24.money. At the end of the day, they are there for a reason. Up that is
:13:24. > :13:34.why they get people like us. They know full well that we are
:13:34. > :13:46.
:13:46. > :13:51.We're bringing competition to the high street and meeting the needs
:13:51. > :13:54.of people who want to go down the short term lending route and do not
:13:54. > :13:59.want to keep adding money to their credit cards and using personal
:13:59. > :14:04.loans to the bank that they are paying off for three or five years.
:14:04. > :14:14.They are taking a short-term loan for a short-term need, and most
:14:14. > :14:14.
:14:14. > :14:17.people are paying it back in full, and on time. But Simon Danzcuk
:14:17. > :14:23.disagrees. He's the MP for Rochdale which has nine payday shops on
:14:23. > :14:32.their high street. There is no doubt about it that we have got too
:14:32. > :14:36.many PDA loan companies in Rochdale. There is a demand or run neat in
:14:36. > :14:41.terms of people wanting to borrow money in the sort of way that you
:14:41. > :14:46.would borrow it from a PD one company. But it is not sustainable.
:14:46. > :14:51.It means money is coming out of the local economy because the profits
:14:51. > :14:54.these companies make go to international businesses, so that
:14:54. > :15:04.is money being sucked out of the local economy which is no good for
:15:04. > :15:06.
:15:06. > :15:09.the people of Rochdale. Credit Unions are often held up as a
:15:09. > :15:11.better alternative, although just two per cent of the UK population
:15:11. > :15:14.use them. The Governmenthasrecently invested �38 million to help
:15:14. > :15:20.increase their membership. But some say they'll never get anywhere,
:15:20. > :15:23.unless they get on the high street. I think it would be hugely
:15:23. > :15:30.beneficial to our membership but more importantly to the people of
:15:30. > :15:34.Rochdale, because they can see that we are there, we are not parked a
:15:34. > :15:39.we're hidden away, they do not have to find out where we are, they can
:15:39. > :15:42.see where we are. We had a proper shop for four weeks at the
:15:42. > :15:46.beginning of last week and that have this huge impact on the
:15:46. > :15:50.membership with many members joining up in those four weeks. And
:15:50. > :15:55.it has highlighted that if we are there and people can walk into us
:15:55. > :16:05.they will come and find out about it, and wants they do find out,
:16:05. > :16:12.
:16:12. > :16:15.people are very willing to use our services. It all comes back to
:16:15. > :16:21.who's on the high street. So what's the solution? Well, many councils
:16:21. > :16:24.would like to restrict the numbers of payday loan stores. The Local
:16:24. > :16:27.Government Association's policy on the matter is headed by local
:16:27. > :16:30.council leader Mike Jones. A some councils might say that we have got
:16:30. > :16:35.room for those on the high street, but the problem is what you have
:16:35. > :16:41.got 10 or 15 of them, destroying the retail part of the high street.
:16:41. > :16:47.We want to stop the opportunities for paid a loan companies to
:16:47. > :16:49.prosper. But a loophole in town planning regulations mean that's
:16:49. > :16:53.not so easy. Shops are divided into five different planning
:16:53. > :16:56.classifications A1-5. A1 is normal retail shops like clothes stores
:16:56. > :17:04.and newsagents. A2, financial services, and A3-5 covers pubs,
:17:04. > :17:08.restaurants and takeaways. Currently, payday loans stores can
:17:08. > :17:15.open up in any building classed A2- 5. The council has no say in the
:17:15. > :17:19.matter. The choice is, do you make the system much more complicated or
:17:19. > :17:24.do you give councils the discretion to have some flexibility and I
:17:24. > :17:28.would like to see councils having more powers and more discretion on
:17:28. > :17:34.what they can and cannot allow within towns and city centres.
:17:34. > :17:38.We're getting to the stage where politicians have an appetite to
:17:38. > :17:48.limit the and regulate paid a loan companies. There is an emphasis in
:17:48. > :17:55.
:17:55. > :17:57.parliament. That is what we are quickly moving towards. 12 months
:17:57. > :17:59.ago, the Queen of Shops, Mary Portas suggested that planning
:18:00. > :18:03.applications for betting shops should be reclassified to allow
:18:03. > :18:05.councils to restrict their numbers. Back in the region this week, she
:18:06. > :18:09.turned her attention to payday loan stores. It is not just the council
:18:09. > :18:13.having a say, it is the people. People should have a say in what
:18:13. > :18:17.they will be the next they need in their high street and to be working
:18:17. > :18:26.together with landlords and retailers, and they will be the
:18:26. > :18:30.ones. What I want is a Voyce for people in their towns. We have
:18:30. > :18:33.heard people say we do not want that supermarket there. This is
:18:33. > :18:38.giving a genuine Voyce to the people and giving them an
:18:38. > :18:47.opportunity to make a change. Hopefully, something very good will
:18:47. > :18:51.come out of it. The payday industry maintains that the system works
:18:51. > :18:58.fine as it is. It is high rents and rates that are stopping the growth
:18:58. > :19:03.of the high street. What we're seeing is that people are choosing
:19:03. > :19:07.to go out of town, choosing to go to the department store a
:19:07. > :19:12.supermarket that is outside the high street. That is nothing to do
:19:12. > :19:21.with the advent of pay-day lending. It is filling up what would have
:19:21. > :19:24.been a boarded-up shop. In November, an amendment was made to the
:19:24. > :19:27.financial services bill to give the power to cap lenders interest rates
:19:27. > :19:35.but there areno proposed changes to council planning powers. So for the
:19:35. > :19:39.foreseeable future THIS appears to be how our high streets will look.
:19:39. > :19:44.We have all heard about the recession hitting the high street.
:19:44. > :19:49.It seems that every week and the killer goes to the wall. But are
:19:49. > :19:52.there any winners? It seems that markets are fuelling a boom as we
:19:52. > :20:01.look for cheaper ways to feed our families and here in Boughton they
:20:01. > :20:05.have come up with some innovative ways of attracting customers. If if
:20:05. > :20:14.There's been a market in Bolton for more than 750 years, four days a
:20:14. > :20:18.week more than 100 traders rise early to set our their stall.
:20:18. > :20:22.4, be down here for 4:30 and as soon as we get here, switch the
:20:22. > :20:26.light on and start work. We've got the get the stall ready, it takes
:20:26. > :20:34.eight hours from one end to the other to get it ready. So it's not
:20:34. > :20:38.an easy job, it's not easy. It's a hard life and it's a way of life,
:20:38. > :20:41.it's not a job. You don't just do your 40 hours a week and that's it,
:20:41. > :20:45.it is a way of life. There's no ringing in sick, saying, "I can't
:20:45. > :20:52.come in, I don't feel very well. It's in all weathers, you keep
:20:53. > :20:58.going. The traders have managed to We've not done too badly at all, if
:20:58. > :21:01.anything we've got slightly busier. I think people now are more price-
:21:01. > :21:04.conscious and didn't realise that the markets are a much cheaper
:21:04. > :21:07.option than supermarkets. And we have an awful lot of new customers
:21:07. > :21:11.now coming down. They're slightly lost the first time they come down,
:21:11. > :21:14.they're unsure where to go, what to do and how to handle it all. It's
:21:14. > :21:17.not your normal supermarket set up. So it just needs a little
:21:17. > :21:20.explaining. The sooner they pick it up, the sooner they start enjoying
:21:20. > :21:23.themselves and then they turn into regulars. Part of the market's
:21:23. > :21:25.appeal is it sells produce that is seldom found elsewhere. So when
:21:25. > :21:29.somebody asks for something and we've never heard of it, write it
:21:29. > :21:33.down, we will find it. We'll Google it or whatever but we will find it
:21:33. > :21:36.somewhere and then he'll go and get it. It doesn't matter if it cost �1
:21:36. > :21:39.or �1,000, we will buy it. Yeah, well we cater for everybody.
:21:39. > :21:46.Jamaicans, Chinese, Japanese, Indians, all the lot. French Yam,
:21:46. > :21:49.White Yam, Yellow Yam, Cassava. You've got to go to Birmingham for
:21:49. > :21:53.most of these things which, our John goes at 3:30 Wednesday morning.
:21:53. > :22:00.It's an eight-hour drive there and back just to pick this stuff up for
:22:00. > :22:05.the Jamaicans. It's this approach that has won traders coach loads of
:22:05. > :22:08.customers from all over the country. Yes, it's our Salmon that were
:22:08. > :22:17.known for. We have people coming from as far as Leicester. We have a
:22:17. > :22:20.lot of people from the Lakes, just for the salmon. Yeah, we've got
:22:20. > :22:26.Trevally fish from New Zealand, Milk fish from Indonesia, Yellow
:22:26. > :22:29.Croaker from Argentina. If somebody wants something specific, we will
:22:30. > :22:36.order it. If we've got a little bit of notice, we will order it for
:22:36. > :22:41.them. People are definitely looking for more bargains but we have got
:22:41. > :22:45.the deals to give to everybody and that is why they come here. It is a
:22:45. > :22:48.big competition in this market, all the difference stallholders are
:22:48. > :22:57.trading and competing with each other. And the customers gain from
:22:57. > :23:02.it. It is good because they always get good deals. Bolton Market has
:23:02. > :23:05.won several awards and has the endorsement of celebrity chefs.
:23:05. > :23:08.With three million visitors a year, it's now redeveloping and expanding,
:23:08. > :23:11.setting its sights on becoming THE destination market of the North.
:23:11. > :23:14.That's what it will be - the taste of Lancashire. New bakery,
:23:14. > :23:18.charcuterie, it will be things people want to come here and shop
:23:18. > :23:26.for, in the same way you see in the Mediterranean, European approach to
:23:26. > :23:32.shopping. Take Barcelona for example 43 street markets in 2.75
:23:32. > :23:35.million population. All of them are food markets. That engenders a way
:23:35. > :23:39.that means people will come to a food market and shop for food once
:23:39. > :23:42.or twice a week. It's the norm, it's what they do. Less food miles,
:23:42. > :23:45.less waste, more in touch with food and they can all cook. This "little
:23:45. > :23:50.and often" approach to shopping is rarely seen in the UK, where we
:23:50. > :23:53.tend to do one big supermarket shop a week. And like the supermarkets,
:23:53. > :24:02.Bolton Market is hoping to attract more shoppers by being the first
:24:02. > :24:12.market in Europe to offer a loyalty scheme to its customers. It's gone
:24:12. > :24:13.
:24:13. > :24:19.really well. Basically a lot of people are getting 10% on the card
:24:19. > :24:23.so basically there's about 15-20 people who have signed up to it. We
:24:23. > :24:27.have the flags here saying "market loyalty" and we just honour it.
:24:27. > :24:30.It's a case that you have to keep hold of the customers you have it's
:24:30. > :24:40.about getting new ones and keeping them cos when you tend to loose
:24:40. > :24:41.
:24:41. > :24:47.them you don't get them back It is so were wrecked. It is a root
:24:47. > :24:51.vegetable and it is a bit ugly looking. And for those who find
:24:51. > :24:55.market shopping too intimidating there is the "wellbeing project".
:24:55. > :25:02.Bolton is the first market in the country to have an NHS nutrition
:25:02. > :25:07.worker on hand to teach people how to shop and then cook the produce.
:25:07. > :25:13.You might say, I don't want all of that, what am I going to do with
:25:13. > :25:18.it? People a little bit cheeky sometimes in a nice way, and seen
:25:18. > :25:24.how I arm with people, they can see all the produce and we can go round
:25:24. > :25:34.and chat about things and look at seasonal cooking. So they, for
:25:34. > :25:36.
:25:36. > :25:46.eight weeks, 10-12, 12-1230, they have got to work at it. It's quite
:25:46. > :25:46.
:25:47. > :25:50.a fast pace. I lost my husband 23 years ago and then I was on my own
:25:50. > :26:00.so I didn't bother. I just used to cook things, you see what I mean?
:26:00. > :26:02.
:26:02. > :26:11.It was a long time ago so it's just to get your confidence back. There
:26:11. > :26:20.are a lot of markets. Everything. Even the idea of having cookery
:26:20. > :26:25.lessons at markets. But, to remove the need lessons in the basics of
:26:25. > :26:30.shopping and cooking? I do not think people should have to learn
:26:30. > :26:34.to shop. They know what they might make for their own personal use so
:26:34. > :26:39.wide to they me to be taught how to shop? We have gone too far the
:26:39. > :26:42.other way. We have lost the other communities side of shopping. A in
:26:42. > :26:47.the supermarket you per Cup things that are already made so you do not
:26:47. > :26:51.know what you're eating. People say it is expensive to eat, but if you
:26:51. > :26:58.coming here, we have a wealth of experience and loss of interest and
:26:58. > :27:08.enthusiasm, and I can pass some of that on two people. What we were
:27:08. > :27:08.
:27:08. > :27:11.talking about is how people would not like this, their partners. But
:27:11. > :27:21.they have never eaten things like this and wants they Catt tried it,
:27:21. > :27:22.
:27:22. > :27:28.they quite like it. -- once they have tried it. I spoke to Joan, she
:27:28. > :27:33.is doing the demonstration. The lifestyle has changed. I used to
:27:33. > :27:43.eat all the wrong things, all white bread, didn't have any see Wales, I
:27:43. > :27:49.
:27:49. > :27:52.do now. So if you've been won over and are thinking of shopping at
:27:52. > :27:55.your local market here are some top tips. Just have a look round first,
:27:55. > :27:58.spend half an hour and just walk round looking at the different
:27:58. > :28:02.things that they've got. If you like something and you've never had
:28:02. > :28:05.it, you can try it, I'll let you try anything you like. So instead
:28:05. > :28:09.of trying to come down with a recipe of what you need, come down
:28:09. > :28:11.to the market, find out what's good and then take your recipes from
:28:11. > :28:15.there. Just come down and ask us. Anything you want, chopped,
:28:15. > :28:18.filleting, we do all three. We will clean them, fillet them, if you're
:28:18. > :28:21.prepared to take them home and do it yourself, we will sell them a
:28:21. > :28:25.little bit cheaper. Believe it or not, all the lads here even give
:28:25. > :28:28.advice on how to cook it. Just ask us, any questions and we will be
:28:28. > :28:31.more than happy to help. It will be a sorry day if this market ever
:28:31. > :28:34.closes. It seemed silly to pay supermarket prices. That is all
:28:34. > :28:38.from me at Bolton market. If you have missed any of the show you can