25/02/2013

:00:09. > :00:12.Hello, welcome to Inside Out. This Hello, welcome to Inside Out. This

:00:12. > :00:13.Hello, welcome to Inside Out. This Hello, welcome to Inside Out. This

:00:13. > :00:14.week, we are at the Triangle in week, we are at the Triangle in

:00:14. > :00:17.week, we are at the Triangle in Burnley where there is a campaign

:00:17. > :00:20.Burnley where there is a campaign Burnley where there is a campaign

:00:20. > :00:21.to save the town's textile mills. to save the town's textile mills.

:00:21. > :00:23.On tonight's programme, the On tonight's programme, the

:00:23. > :00:25.campaigners concerned that would campaigners concerned that would

:00:25. > :00:26.campaigners concerned that would does could be damaging their health.

:00:26. > :00:27.does could be damaging their health. does could be damaging their health.

:00:27. > :00:28.does could be damaging their health. I had to go to the doctors because

:00:28. > :00:29.I had to go to the doctors because I had to go to the doctors because

:00:29. > :00:31.I had to go to the doctors because I had to go to the doctors because

:00:31. > :00:32.I would go up with a hole in my septum.

:00:32. > :00:33.septum. septum.

:00:33. > :00:34.Why is the British Premier League Why is the British Premier League

:00:34. > :00:36.Why is the British Premier League Why is the British Premier League

:00:36. > :00:37.so pricey for the fans? We find out so pricey for the fans? We find out

:00:37. > :00:39.so pricey for the fans? We find out so pricey for the fans? We find out

:00:39. > :00:43.how they'd do it in Germany. For my how they'd do it in Germany. For my

:00:43. > :00:46.how they'd do it in Germany. For my ticket, 13 euros. About �10! That's

:00:46. > :00:47.amazing. amazing.

:00:47. > :00:49.amazing. amazing.

:00:49. > :00:50.And, at the man on a mission to And, at the man on a mission to

:00:50. > :00:52.And, at the man on a mission to save the region's called textile

:00:52. > :00:55.save the region's called textile save the region's called textile

:00:55. > :01:05.mills. From a heritage point of mills. From a heritage point of

:01:05. > :01:13.

:01:13. > :01:15.mills. From a heritage point of We all know about the dangers of

:01:15. > :01:17.We all know about the dangers of We all know about the dangers of

:01:17. > :01:18.asbestos and cigarette smoke. asbestos and cigarette smoke.

:01:18. > :01:19.asbestos and cigarette smoke. asbestos and cigarette smoke.

:01:19. > :01:20.only a few decades ago, they were only a few decades ago, they were

:01:21. > :01:22.only a few decades ago, they were thought to be perfectly safe. Now,

:01:22. > :01:23.thought to be perfectly safe. Now, thought to be perfectly safe. Now,

:01:23. > :01:25.a group of campaigners in the a group of campaigners in the

:01:25. > :01:26.north-west are concerned that north-west are concerned that

:01:26. > :01:30.north-west are concerned that similar dangers might be present in

:01:30. > :01:31.wood dust. wood dust.

:01:31. > :01:32.wood dust. They save our local authorities

:01:32. > :01:32.They save our local authorities They save our local authorities

:01:32. > :01:33.millions of pounds in landfill millions of pounds in landfill

:01:33. > :01:34.millions of pounds in landfill costs and provide work for hundreds

:01:34. > :01:35.costs and provide work for hundreds costs and provide work for hundreds

:01:35. > :01:36.of people. Wood processing plants of people. Wood processing plants

:01:36. > :01:37.of people. Wood processing plants across the country take the waste

:01:37. > :01:38.across the country take the waste across the country take the waste

:01:38. > :01:39.across the country take the waste wood we don't want and turn it into

:01:39. > :01:40.wood we don't want and turn it into wood we don't want and turn it into

:01:40. > :01:43.something we do - like chipboard something we do - like chipboard

:01:43. > :01:44.something we do - like chipboard and animal bedding. But people

:01:44. > :01:44.and animal bedding. But people and animal bedding. But people

:01:44. > :01:45.living near the wood processing living near the wood processing

:01:45. > :01:49.living near the wood processing plants claim these kinds of sites

:01:49. > :01:50.plants claim these kinds of sites plants claim these kinds of sites

:01:50. > :01:51.are making them ill. In Horwich are making them ill. In Horwich

:01:51. > :01:51.near Bolton, Armstrongs near Bolton, Armstrongs

:01:52. > :01:52.Environmental Services recycles Environmental Services recycles

:01:52. > :01:54.Environmental Services recycles waste wood but local people claim

:01:54. > :01:54.waste wood but local people claim waste wood but local people claim

:01:54. > :02:01.waste wood but local people claim the site is giving off dust which

:02:02. > :02:03.the site is giving off dust which the site is giving off dust which

:02:03. > :02:04.is affecting their health. is affecting their health.

:02:04. > :02:05.is affecting their health. summer, you are breathing it in

:02:05. > :02:06.summer, you are breathing it in summer, you are breathing it in

:02:06. > :02:08.summer, you are breathing it in every time you walk out of the door.

:02:08. > :02:09.every time you walk out of the door. every time you walk out of the door.

:02:09. > :02:11.every time you walk out of the door. Every time you go out to breathe it

:02:11. > :02:13.Every time you go out to breathe it Every time you go out to breathe it

:02:13. > :02:15.in. You put your garden furniture in. You put your garden furniture

:02:15. > :02:16.in. You put your garden furniture out, within five minutes, it is

:02:16. > :02:21.out, within five minutes, it is out, within five minutes, it is

:02:21. > :02:25.covered. The car is covered. Not covered. The car is covered. Not

:02:25. > :02:26.covered. The car is covered. Not only mind, everybody's. It affects

:02:26. > :02:27.only mind, everybody's. It affects only mind, everybody's. It affects

:02:27. > :02:30.only mind, everybody's. It affects my eyesight. My eyes are full of it,

:02:30. > :02:32.my eyesight. My eyes are full of it, my eyesight. My eyes are full of it,

:02:32. > :02:36.my eyesight. My eyes are full of it, they are gritty. I get sneezing. I

:02:36. > :02:39.they are gritty. I get sneezing. I they are gritty. I get sneezing. I

:02:39. > :02:39.have sneezing fits. I have started have sneezing fits. I have started

:02:39. > :02:40.have sneezing fits. I have started getting nosebleeds which cannot be

:02:40. > :02:42.getting nosebleeds which cannot be getting nosebleeds which cannot be

:02:42. > :02:44.used to get. So obviously, used to get. So obviously,

:02:44. > :02:45.used to get. So obviously, used to get. So obviously,

:02:45. > :02:47.something is causing it. I think it something is causing it. I think it

:02:47. > :02:48.something is causing it. I think it something is causing it. I think it

:02:48. > :02:49.is the dust. And people living near is the dust. And people living near

:02:49. > :02:50.is the dust. And people living near to other sites across the North

:02:50. > :02:51.to other sites across the North to other sites across the North

:02:51. > :02:52.west are also complaining about the west are also complaining about the

:02:52. > :02:53.west are also complaining about the effects of dust. The Sonae factory

:02:53. > :02:54.effects of dust. The Sonae factory effects of dust. The Sonae factory

:02:54. > :02:55.at Kirkby on Merseyside was the at Kirkby on Merseyside was the

:02:55. > :02:56.at Kirkby on Merseyside was the target of protests from local

:02:56. > :02:57.target of protests from local target of protests from local

:02:57. > :02:59.people complaining of the dust and people complaining of the dust and

:02:59. > :03:00.people complaining of the dust and noise before it closed last year.

:03:00. > :03:01.noise before it closed last year. noise before it closed last year.

:03:01. > :03:02.Plevins, a wood processing plant at Plevins, a wood processing plant at

:03:02. > :03:03.Mossley in Greater Manchester, Mossley in Greater Manchester,

:03:03. > :03:04.Mossley in Greater Manchester, Mossley in Greater Manchester,

:03:04. > :03:06.grinds down waste wood and turns it grinds down waste wood and turns it

:03:06. > :03:07.grinds down waste wood and turns it into pet bedding. People living

:03:07. > :03:07.into pet bedding. People living into pet bedding. People living

:03:07. > :03:09.into pet bedding. People living nearby have set up a campaign group

:03:09. > :03:09.nearby have set up a campaign group nearby have set up a campaign group

:03:09. > :03:11.and have been recording video and have been recording video

:03:11. > :03:12.and have been recording video evidence of the problem. These

:03:12. > :03:13.evidence of the problem. These evidence of the problem. These

:03:13. > :03:14.pictures were shot before the pictures were shot before the

:03:14. > :03:15.pictures were shot before the company put up an acoustic barrier

:03:15. > :03:18.company put up an acoustic barrier company put up an acoustic barrier

:03:18. > :03:19.company put up an acoustic barrier and lowered the height of the pile.

:03:19. > :03:20.and lowered the height of the pile. and lowered the height of the pile.

:03:20. > :03:21.Bernie Dolan, her husband and four Bernie Dolan, her husband and four

:03:21. > :03:22.Bernie Dolan, her husband and four children have lived just above the

:03:22. > :03:23.children have lived just above the children have lived just above the

:03:23. > :03:28.children have lived just above the plant for the last four and a half

:03:28. > :03:29.plant for the last four and a half plant for the last four and a half

:03:30. > :03:31.years. It started about a year years. It started about a year

:03:31. > :03:33.years. It started about a year years. It started about a year

:03:33. > :03:37.after we moved in. I noted that the after we moved in. I noted that the

:03:37. > :03:37.after we moved in. I noted that the kids were getting asthma and hay

:03:37. > :03:39.kids were getting asthma and hay kids were getting asthma and hay

:03:39. > :03:40.fever and things like that. That fever and things like that. That

:03:41. > :03:42.fever and things like that. That fever and things like that. That

:03:42. > :03:43.they had never had before. And they they had never had before. And they

:03:43. > :03:44.they had never had before. And they were saying that their nose was

:03:44. > :03:45.were saying that their nose was were saying that their nose was

:03:45. > :03:49.bleeding. I noticed that mind bleeding. I noticed that mind

:03:49. > :03:49.bleeding. I noticed that mind started as well. -- that mine

:03:49. > :03:50.started as well. -- that mine started as well. -- that mine

:03:50. > :03:51.started as well. -- that mine started as well. -- that mine

:03:51. > :03:52.started as well. I had to go to the started as well. I had to go to the

:03:52. > :03:53.started as well. I had to go to the started as well. I had to go to the

:03:53. > :03:54.doctor because I woke up with a doctor because I woke up with a

:03:54. > :03:55.doctor because I woke up with a hole in my septum. You are

:03:55. > :03:57.hole in my septum. You are hole in my septum. You are

:03:57. > :03:58.convinced that your problem is to convinced that your problem is to

:03:58. > :04:00.convinced that your problem is to convinced that your problem is to

:04:00. > :04:02.do with living here? Yes, we never do with living here? Yes, we never

:04:02. > :04:03.do with living here? Yes, we never had problems before. My older son

:04:03. > :04:05.had problems before. My older son had problems before. My older son

:04:05. > :04:07.had problems before. My older son sneezes about 18 times a day. It is

:04:07. > :04:08.sneezes about 18 times a day. It is sneezes about 18 times a day. It is

:04:08. > :04:09.constant. As though something is constant. As though something is

:04:09. > :04:10.constant. As though something is constant. As though something is

:04:10. > :04:11.irritating him. He does not do it irritating him. He does not do it

:04:11. > :04:12.irritating him. He does not do it irritating him. He does not do it

:04:12. > :04:17.when we are away and when we are when we are away and when we are

:04:17. > :04:19.when we are away and when we are away from the house. They normally

:04:19. > :04:20.away from the house. They normally away from the house. They normally

:04:20. > :04:21.away from the house. They normally come in in lorries. Further up the

:04:21. > :04:22.come in in lorries. Further up the come in in lorries. Further up the

:04:22. > :04:23.come in in lorries. Further up the hill is Donna Liley. She and Bernie

:04:23. > :04:24.hill is Donna Liley. She and Bernie hill is Donna Liley. She and Bernie

:04:24. > :04:27.did a health survey of people did a health survey of people

:04:27. > :04:28.did a health survey of people did a health survey of people

:04:28. > :04:29.living near the plant. We got a living near the plant. We got a

:04:29. > :04:31.living near the plant. We got a group together and did a door-to-

:04:31. > :04:33.group together and did a door-to- group together and did a door-to-

:04:33. > :04:34.door survey. About 600 houses. door survey. About 600 houses.

:04:34. > :04:36.door survey. About 600 houses. door survey. About 600 houses.

:04:36. > :04:37.About 100 people came back to say About 100 people came back to say

:04:37. > :04:39.About 100 people came back to say they had nosebleeds and a

:04:39. > :04:41.they had nosebleeds and a respiratory problems, unexplained

:04:41. > :04:42.respiratory problems, unexplained respiratory problems, unexplained

:04:42. > :04:43.chest problems. We asked them if chest problems. We asked them if

:04:43. > :04:45.chest problems. We asked them if chest problems. We asked them if

:04:45. > :04:47.they had been to the GP. Most of they had been to the GP. Most of

:04:47. > :04:47.they had been to the GP. Most of they had been to the GP. Most of

:04:47. > :04:50.them had. We presented this to the them had. We presented this to the

:04:50. > :04:51.Health Protection Agency and Health Protection Agency and

:04:51. > :04:53.Health Protection Agency and Tameside Council. Their reply, the

:04:53. > :04:53.Tameside Council. Their reply, the Tameside Council. Their reply, the

:04:53. > :04:56.Tameside Council. Their reply, the HFEA, said that it was higher --

:04:56. > :04:57.HFEA, said that it was higher -- HFEA, said that it was higher --

:04:57. > :04:58.highly unlikely to be associated highly unlikely to be associated

:04:58. > :05:00.highly unlikely to be associated highly unlikely to be associated

:05:00. > :05:03.with wood dust. -- the age PA. with wood dust. -- the age PA.

:05:03. > :05:04.with wood dust. -- the age PA. with wood dust. -- the age PA.

:05:04. > :05:05.else have you done to do something else have you done to do something

:05:05. > :05:06.else have you done to do something else have you done to do something

:05:06. > :05:07.about it? We have linked up with about it? We have linked up with

:05:07. > :05:10.about it? We have linked up with other groups and found similar

:05:10. > :05:11.other groups and found similar communities living alongside board

:05:11. > :05:15.communities living alongside board communities living alongside board

:05:15. > :05:17.manufacturing with the same health manufacturing with the same health

:05:17. > :05:17.manufacturing with the same health manufacturing with the same health

:05:17. > :05:18.issues. So is a rocket science? Of issues. So is a rocket science? Of

:05:18. > :05:21.issues. So is a rocket science? Of a mistaken, or is there a

:05:21. > :05:22.a mistaken, or is there a connection? The World Health

:05:22. > :05:23.connection? The World Health connection? The World Health

:05:23. > :05:24.Organisation has long been aware of Organisation has long been aware of

:05:24. > :05:25.Organisation has long been aware of Organisation has long been aware of

:05:25. > :05:26.the dangers of wood dust and states the dangers of wood dust and states

:05:26. > :05:27.the dangers of wood dust and states that it's a grade one carcinogen

:05:27. > :05:28.that it's a grade one carcinogen that it's a grade one carcinogen

:05:28. > :05:29.that it's a grade one carcinogen which means it can cause cancer. It

:05:29. > :05:30.which means it can cause cancer. It which means it can cause cancer. It

:05:30. > :05:31.recommends that there be no more recommends that there be no more

:05:31. > :05:32.recommends that there be no more than 10 microgrammes of the finest

:05:32. > :05:33.than 10 microgrammes of the finest than 10 microgrammes of the finest

:05:33. > :05:34.than 10 microgrammes of the finest dust per cubic metre of air. In the

:05:34. > :05:35.dust per cubic metre of air. In the dust per cubic metre of air. In the

:05:35. > :05:36.UK, the government, in line with UK, the government, in line with

:05:36. > :05:37.UK, the government, in line with the European Union has set the

:05:37. > :05:38.the European Union has set the the European Union has set the

:05:38. > :05:44.standard at 25 microgrammes a day, standard at 25 microgrammes a day,

:05:44. > :05:46.standard at 25 microgrammes a day, 2.5 times the recommended level.

:05:46. > :05:47.2.5 times the recommended level. 2.5 times the recommended level.

:05:47. > :05:48.This is where the Environment This is where the Environment

:05:48. > :05:49.This is where the Environment Agency conducts tests using this

:05:49. > :05:49.Agency conducts tests using this Agency conducts tests using this

:05:49. > :05:51.Agency conducts tests using this equipment and the levels of dust in

:05:51. > :05:52.equipment and the levels of dust in equipment and the levels of dust in

:05:52. > :05:53.equipment and the levels of dust in the air. It has always found at the

:05:53. > :05:55.the air. It has always found at the the air. It has always found at the

:05:55. > :05:57.levels are within UK guidelines. levels are within UK guidelines.

:05:57. > :05:58.levels are within UK guidelines. The campaigners have linked up with

:05:58. > :06:01.The campaigners have linked up with The campaigners have linked up with

:06:01. > :06:02.Graham player. He is a retired Graham player. He is a retired

:06:02. > :06:03.Graham player. He is a retired particle physicist with 40 years'

:06:03. > :06:04.particle physicist with 40 years' particle physicist with 40 years'

:06:05. > :06:07.experience. The reason wood dust is experience. The reason wood dust is

:06:07. > :06:09.experience. The reason wood dust is experience. The reason wood dust is

:06:09. > :06:15.a hazard is because it is such a hazard is because it is such

:06:15. > :06:16.small, fine, particulate material small, fine, particulate material

:06:16. > :06:17.small, fine, particulate material containing silica. Silica is well

:06:17. > :06:19.containing silica. Silica is well containing silica. Silica is well

:06:19. > :06:21.known to be a cancer-causing agent. known to be a cancer-causing agent.

:06:21. > :06:22.known to be a cancer-causing agent. If you are inhaling it in

:06:22. > :06:24.If you are inhaling it in sufficient quantities, you are

:06:24. > :06:25.sufficient quantities, you are sufficient quantities, you are

:06:25. > :06:27.sufficient quantities, you are going to suffer ill health. What do

:06:27. > :06:28.going to suffer ill health. What do going to suffer ill health. What do

:06:28. > :06:31.you think about residents living so you think about residents living so

:06:31. > :06:32.you think about residents living so you think about residents living so

:06:32. > :06:33.close to a site like this? Quite close to a site like this? Quite

:06:33. > :06:35.close to a site like this? Quite close to a site like this? Quite

:06:35. > :06:37.frankly, I would wear a face mask. frankly, I would wear a face mask.

:06:37. > :06:39.frankly, I would wear a face mask. frankly, I would wear a face mask.

:06:39. > :06:42.We put the case to Waban, an We put the case to Waban, an

:06:42. > :06:46.independent occupational hygienist. independent occupational hygienist.

:06:46. > :06:49.independent occupational hygienist. -- Robin Howie. He believes

:06:49. > :06:50.-- Robin Howie. He believes -- Robin Howie. He believes

:06:50. > :06:54.standards should be tightened. standards should be tightened.

:06:54. > :06:56.standards should be tightened. think our standards, if they are

:06:56. > :06:57.think our standards, if they are think our standards, if they are

:06:57. > :06:58.the missing some individuals to the missing some individuals to

:06:58. > :07:00.the missing some individuals to suffer ill-effects, they are not

:07:00. > :07:01.suffer ill-effects, they are not sufficiently stringent. So what

:07:01. > :07:03.sufficiently stringent. So what sufficiently stringent. So what

:07:03. > :07:05.sufficiently stringent. So what would you like to see? I would go

:07:05. > :07:06.would you like to see? I would go would you like to see? I would go

:07:06. > :07:08.back and say, you're making dust, back and say, you're making dust,

:07:08. > :07:09.back and say, you're making dust, back and say, you're making dust,

:07:09. > :07:10.even if it is below current levels, even if it is below current levels,

:07:10. > :07:13.even if it is below current levels, even if it is below current levels,

:07:13. > :07:14.you are in fault and should not be you are in fault and should not be

:07:14. > :07:16.you are in fault and should not be releasing dust. You have a duty

:07:16. > :07:17.releasing dust. You have a duty releasing dust. You have a duty

:07:17. > :07:20.releasing dust. You have a duty under the law to ensure of the

:07:20. > :07:21.under the law to ensure of the under the law to ensure of the

:07:21. > :07:25.health of your neighbours. And we health of your neighbours. And we

:07:25. > :07:26.health of your neighbours. And we health of your neighbours. And we

:07:26. > :07:27.should enforce it. I went to see should enforce it. I went to see

:07:27. > :07:28.should enforce it. I went to see the Environment Agency, who in

:07:28. > :07:28.the Environment Agency, who in the Environment Agency, who in

:07:28. > :07:29.response to Donna and Bernie's response to Donna and Bernie's

:07:29. > :07:30.response to Donna and Bernie's campaign, have been carrying out

:07:30. > :07:31.campaign, have been carrying out campaign, have been carrying out

:07:31. > :07:41.rigorous testing of the air quality rigorous testing of the air quality

:07:41. > :08:17.

:08:17. > :08:19.rigorous testing of the air quality We are working with the local

:08:19. > :08:20.We are working with the local We are working with the local

:08:20. > :08:22.Health Protection people, they need Health Protection people, they need

:08:22. > :08:23.Health Protection people, they need to work with us. The Health

:08:23. > :08:24.to work with us. The Health to work with us. The Health

:08:24. > :08:26.Protection Agency was set up 10 Protection Agency was set up 10

:08:26. > :08:28.Protection Agency was set up 10 years ago to protect the public

:08:28. > :08:30.years ago to protect the public from infectious diseases and

:08:30. > :08:31.from infectious diseases and from infectious diseases and

:08:31. > :08:32.environmental hazards. It says that environmental hazards. It says that

:08:32. > :08:35.environmental hazards. It says that there is no significant health risk

:08:35. > :08:36.there is no significant health risk associated with particular to

:08:36. > :08:37.associated with particular to associated with particular to

:08:37. > :08:39.associated with particular to emissions from of the site. It says

:08:39. > :08:39.emissions from of the site. It says emissions from of the site. It says

:08:39. > :08:41.that despite offering to discuss that despite offering to discuss

:08:41. > :08:42.that despite offering to discuss these -- the evidence with health

:08:42. > :08:43.these -- the evidence with health these -- the evidence with health

:08:43. > :08:45.professionals near the site, no professionals near the site, no

:08:45. > :08:47.professionals near the site, no clinical care stuff came forward to

:08:47. > :08:49.clinical care stuff came forward to clinical care stuff came forward to

:08:49. > :08:50.talk about their concerns. None of talk about their concerns. None of

:08:50. > :08:52.talk about their concerns. None of the plants mentioned in this film

:08:52. > :08:53.the plants mentioned in this film the plants mentioned in this film

:08:53. > :08:54.would agree to be interviewed. would agree to be interviewed.

:08:54. > :08:56.However, Armstrong's Environmental However, Armstrong's Environmental

:08:56. > :09:01.Services reiterated that they Services reiterated that they

:09:01. > :09:02.operate within the regulations. operate within the regulations.

:09:02. > :09:06.operate within the regulations. operate within the regulations.

:09:06. > :09:07.Sonae -- Sonae said that there had Sonae -- Sonae said that there had

:09:07. > :09:10.Sonae -- Sonae said that there had Sonae -- Sonae said that there had

:09:10. > :09:12.been known -- they had been at no been known -- they had been at no

:09:12. > :09:17.been known -- they had been at no issues for them. Plevins issued

:09:17. > :09:19.issues for them. Plevins issued this statement, Levin's

:09:19. > :09:22.this statement, Levin's environmental responsibilities are

:09:22. > :09:24.environmental responsibilities are paramount. We take our

:09:24. > :09:25.paramount. We take our responsibilities to the community

:09:25. > :09:26.responsibilities to the community responsibilities to the community

:09:26. > :09:28.seriously and continually strive to seriously and continually strive to

:09:28. > :09:30.seriously and continually strive to engage both residents over their

:09:30. > :09:31.engage both residents over their engage both residents over their

:09:31. > :09:33.concerns. We operate within the law concerns. We operate within the law

:09:33. > :09:34.concerns. We operate within the law in a heavily regulated industry.

:09:34. > :09:35.in a heavily regulated industry. in a heavily regulated industry.

:09:35. > :09:37.The marching other side has The marching other side has

:09:37. > :09:38.The marching other side has demonstrated no breach of its air

:09:38. > :09:40.quality standards. quality standards.

:09:40. > :09:42.quality standards. quality standards.

:09:42. > :09:43.A in the past few weeks, the World A in the past few weeks, the World

:09:43. > :09:44.A in the past few weeks, the World Health Organisation has told the

:09:44. > :09:44.Health Organisation has told the Health Organisation has told the

:09:44. > :09:47.European Commission that there is European Commission that there is

:09:47. > :09:49.European Commission that there is new evidence to show that their

:09:49. > :09:50.new evidence to show that their new evidence to show that their

:09:50. > :09:51.standards are not stringent enough. standards are not stringent enough.

:09:51. > :09:53.standards are not stringent enough. It has been rather overlooked in

:09:53. > :09:55.It has been rather overlooked in It has been rather overlooked in

:09:55. > :09:57.the bigger picture. People forget the bigger picture. People forget

:09:57. > :09:59.the bigger picture. People forget that over 400,000 people die each

:09:59. > :10:00.that over 400,000 people die each that over 400,000 people die each

:10:00. > :10:02.year in the EU because of year in the EU because of

:10:02. > :10:03.respiratory diseases or respiratory diseases or

:10:03. > :10:06.cardiovascular diseases. They are cardiovascular diseases. They are

:10:06. > :10:07.cardiovascular diseases. They are mainly caused by air pollution.

:10:07. > :10:07.mainly caused by air pollution. mainly caused by air pollution.

:10:07. > :10:08.will the European Commission drop will the European Commission drop

:10:08. > :10:10.will the European Commission drop will the European Commission drop

:10:10. > :10:11.the levels and what would they drop the levels and what would they drop

:10:11. > :10:12.the levels and what would they drop the levels and what would they drop

:10:12. > :10:13.them to? It is likely they will them to? It is likely they will

:10:13. > :10:14.them to? It is likely they will them to? It is likely they will

:10:14. > :10:15.drop the levels but we will have to drop the levels but we will have to

:10:15. > :10:17.drop the levels but we will have to have the discussion with the member

:10:17. > :10:18.have the discussion with the member have the discussion with the member

:10:18. > :10:18.states. We need to change the states. We need to change the

:10:18. > :10:22.states. We need to change the directive are so the commissioner

:10:22. > :10:24.directive are so the commissioner directive are so the commissioner

:10:24. > :10:25.will make a proposal, which is will make a proposal, which is

:10:25. > :10:26.will make a proposal, which is either require from a public health

:10:26. > :10:28.either require from a public health either require from a public health

:10:28. > :10:28.or environmental point of view, or environmental point of view,

:10:28. > :10:31.or environmental point of view, or environmental point of view,

:10:31. > :10:33.then it is up to the individual then it is up to the individual

:10:33. > :10:34.then it is up to the individual parliaments to agree those changes.

:10:34. > :10:35.parliaments to agree those changes. parliaments to agree those changes.

:10:35. > :10:37.Dollar and Bernie say they will Dollar and Bernie say they will

:10:37. > :10:39.Dollar and Bernie say they will continue their campaign and they

:10:39. > :10:41.continue their campaign and they continue their campaign and they

:10:41. > :10:42.are optimistic their voices will be are optimistic their voices will be

:10:42. > :10:43.are optimistic their voices will be are optimistic their voices will be

:10:43. > :10:44.heard. It is great that the World heard. It is great that the World

:10:44. > :10:46.heard. It is great that the World Health Organisation has realised it

:10:46. > :10:47.Health Organisation has realised it Health Organisation has realised it

:10:47. > :10:49.is a greater problem than they is a greater problem than they

:10:49. > :10:50.is a greater problem than they anticipated. So that is encouraging.

:10:50. > :10:51.anticipated. So that is encouraging. anticipated. So that is encouraging.

:10:51. > :10:52.We will liaise with other We will liaise with other

:10:52. > :10:54.We will liaise with other organisations around the country at

:10:54. > :10:55.organisations around the country at organisations around the country at

:10:55. > :10:56.present our findings to them and present our findings to them and

:10:56. > :10:57.present our findings to them and present our findings to them and

:10:57. > :10:59.give them our report for what we give them our report for what we

:10:59. > :11:01.give them our report for what we give them our report for what we

:11:01. > :11:04.think is a problem. So the fight think is a problem. So the fight

:11:04. > :11:04.think is a problem. So the fight think is a problem. So the fight

:11:04. > :11:06.goes on? Yes. And if the World goes on? Yes. And if the World

:11:06. > :11:08.goes on? Yes. And if the World Health Organisation says it is a

:11:08. > :11:12.Health Organisation says it is a Health Organisation says it is a

:11:12. > :11:13.carcinogen, we want that recognised. carcinogen, we want that recognised.

:11:13. > :11:14.carcinogen, we want that recognised. BBC Radio Manchester will have more

:11:14. > :11:16.BBC Radio Manchester will have more BBC Radio Manchester will have more

:11:16. > :11:17.on that story tomorrow morning. on that story tomorrow morning.

:11:17. > :11:19.on that story tomorrow morning. Coming up, and industrial heritage

:11:19. > :11:20.Coming up, and industrial heritage Coming up, and industrial heritage

:11:20. > :11:24.Coming up, and industrial heritage under threat. We meet the man tried

:11:24. > :11:34.under threat. We meet the man tried under threat. We meet the man tried

:11:34. > :11:54.

:11:54. > :11:56.under threat. We meet the man tried Welcome to the Bundesliga. More

:11:56. > :11:57.Welcome to the Bundesliga. More spectators crammed into Germany's

:11:57. > :11:58.spectators crammed into Germany's spectators crammed into Germany's

:11:58. > :12:00.vast stadia than in any other vast stadia than in any other

:12:00. > :12:01.vast stadia than in any other football league in the world, even

:12:01. > :12:03.football league in the world, even football league in the world, even

:12:03. > :12:05.England. It is important to point England. It is important to point

:12:05. > :12:06.England. It is important to point out that the Bundesliga remains way

:12:06. > :12:08.out that the Bundesliga remains way behind the Premier League

:12:08. > :12:09.behind the Premier League financially and in global

:12:09. > :12:12.financially and in global financially and in global

:12:12. > :12:13.popularity but with its philosophy popularity but with its philosophy

:12:13. > :12:15.of maintaining affordable match of maintaining affordable match

:12:15. > :12:15.of maintaining affordable match of maintaining affordable match

:12:15. > :12:17.tickets, or will it prove a winner tickets, or will it prove a winner

:12:17. > :12:18.tickets, or will it prove a winner tickets, or will it prove a winner

:12:18. > :12:20.in the long term? Right from the in the long term? Right from the

:12:20. > :12:22.in the long term? Right from the time the Premier League was formed

:12:22. > :12:23.time the Premier League was formed time the Premier League was formed

:12:23. > :12:25.in 1992, fans have grumbled about in 1992, fans have grumbled about

:12:25. > :12:26.in 1992, fans have grumbled about rising ticket costs but they have

:12:26. > :12:30.rising ticket costs but they have rising ticket costs but they have

:12:30. > :12:32.rising ticket costs but they have always paid up in the end. But last

:12:32. > :12:33.always paid up in the end. But last always paid up in the end. But last

:12:33. > :12:34.month, Manchester City fans made month, Manchester City fans made

:12:34. > :12:36.month, Manchester City fans made month, Manchester City fans made

:12:36. > :12:37.what could turn out to be a what could turn out to be a

:12:37. > :12:38.what could turn out to be a significant gesture. Almost a third

:12:38. > :12:39.significant gesture. Almost a third significant gesture. Almost a third

:12:39. > :12:41.of their ticket applications for of their ticket applications for

:12:41. > :12:44.of their ticket applications for their game at Arsenal went unsold.

:12:44. > :12:45.their game at Arsenal went unsold. their game at Arsenal went unsold.

:12:45. > :12:48.their game at Arsenal went unsold. By refusing to fork out, fans were

:12:48. > :12:50.By refusing to fork out, fans were By refusing to fork out, fans were

:12:50. > :12:52.sending a message to the Premier sending a message to the Premier

:12:52. > :12:53.sending a message to the Premier sending a message to the Premier

:12:53. > :12:54.League. A lot of people say, don't League. A lot of people say, don't

:12:54. > :12:55.League. A lot of people say, don't League. A lot of people say, don't

:12:55. > :12:57.go, show why not offending and that go, show why not offending and that

:12:57. > :12:58.go, show why not offending and that go, show why not offending and that

:12:58. > :12:59.will hit clubs in the pocket, but will hit clubs in the pocket, but

:12:59. > :12:59.will hit clubs in the pocket, but will hit clubs in the pocket, but

:12:59. > :13:01.for a fan's point of view, why for a fan's point of view, why

:13:01. > :13:03.for a fan's point of view, why for a fan's point of view, why

:13:03. > :13:04.should we be driven away from our should we be driven away from our

:13:04. > :13:06.should we be driven away from our should we be driven away from our

:13:06. > :13:07.club? And fans of other clubs agree. club? And fans of other clubs agree.

:13:07. > :13:09.club? And fans of other clubs agree. The price has been getting dearer

:13:09. > :13:10.The price has been getting dearer The price has been getting dearer

:13:10. > :13:12.The price has been getting dearer and dearer. At one time you could

:13:12. > :13:13.and dearer. At one time you could and dearer. At one time you could

:13:13. > :13:15.and dearer. At one time you could pay �10 and that has -- and that

:13:15. > :13:17.pay �10 and that has -- and that pay �10 and that has -- and that

:13:17. > :13:18.pay �10 and that has -- and that was plenty. It is too much. When I

:13:18. > :13:20.was plenty. It is too much. When I was plenty. It is too much. When I

:13:20. > :13:22.started it was very much the started it was very much the

:13:22. > :13:23.started it was very much the started it was very much the

:13:23. > :13:25.working man's game. Now I think the working man's game. Now I think the

:13:25. > :13:27.working man's game. Now I think the working man has been squeezed out.

:13:27. > :13:28.working man has been squeezed out. working man has been squeezed out.

:13:28. > :13:29.Mark Palios is a former chief Mark Palios is a former chief

:13:29. > :13:31.Mark Palios is a former chief executive of the former association.

:13:31. > :13:32.executive of the former association. executive of the former association.

:13:32. > :13:34.He has witnessed the business of He has witnessed the business of

:13:34. > :13:36.He has witnessed the business of football from many angles, having

:13:36. > :13:36.football from many angles, having football from many angles, having

:13:36. > :13:38.played 17 seasons for Tranmere played 17 seasons for Tranmere

:13:38. > :13:39.played 17 seasons for Tranmere before becoming a senior partner

:13:39. > :13:43.before becoming a senior partner before becoming a senior partner

:13:43. > :13:44.after a firm of accountants. Our after a firm of accountants. Our

:13:44. > :13:46.after a firm of accountants. Our ticket prices in the Premier League

:13:46. > :13:46.ticket prices in the Premier League ticket prices in the Premier League

:13:46. > :13:48.ticket prices in the Premier League simply too high? When you look at

:13:48. > :13:50.simply too high? When you look at simply too high? When you look at

:13:50. > :13:52.it, it is an inescapable conclusion it, it is an inescapable conclusion

:13:52. > :13:54.it, it is an inescapable conclusion it, it is an inescapable conclusion

:13:54. > :13:55.that there has to be a limit. If that there has to be a limit. If

:13:55. > :13:56.that there has to be a limit. If that there has to be a limit. If

:13:56. > :13:59.you look at it and you then start you look at it and you then start

:13:59. > :13:59.you look at it and you then start you look at it and you then start

:13:59. > :14:02.to add on travel costs as well, as to add on travel costs as well, as

:14:02. > :14:03.to add on travel costs as well, as a piece of entertainment for a

:14:03. > :14:05.a piece of entertainment for a a piece of entertainment for a

:14:05. > :14:06.a piece of entertainment for a father and a few kids, you are

:14:06. > :14:07.father and a few kids, you are father and a few kids, you are

:14:07. > :14:08.starting to really struggle. starting to really struggle.

:14:08. > :14:09.starting to really struggle. starting to really struggle.

:14:09. > :14:10.former player who has played at the former player who has played at the

:14:10. > :14:12.former player who has played at the very top in both England and

:14:12. > :14:13.very top in both England and very top in both England and

:14:13. > :14:15.very top in both England and Germany comes down on the side of

:14:15. > :14:16.Germany comes down on the side of Germany comes down on the side of

:14:16. > :14:17.hard-pressed supporters. It is not hard-pressed supporters. It is not

:14:18. > :14:18.hard-pressed supporters. It is not hard-pressed supporters. It is not

:14:18. > :14:22.just the ticket price. You need to just the ticket price. You need to

:14:22. > :14:23.just the ticket price. You need to just the ticket price. You need to

:14:23. > :14:25.get down to London which is an get down to London which is an

:14:25. > :14:26.get down to London which is an extra cost, maybe have a sandwich

:14:26. > :14:27.extra cost, maybe have a sandwich extra cost, maybe have a sandwich

:14:27. > :14:28.extra cost, maybe have a sandwich extra cost, maybe have a sandwich

:14:28. > :14:30.and a drink at the game and you are and a drink at the game and you are

:14:30. > :14:32.and a drink at the game and you are and a drink at the game and you are

:14:32. > :14:36.talking about 150 quid for an away talking about 150 quid for an away

:14:36. > :14:37.talking about 150 quid for an away talking about 150 quid for an away

:14:37. > :14:39.game. 150 quid? I could have an -- game. 150 quid? I could have an --

:14:39. > :14:40.game. 150 quid? I could have an -- game. 150 quid? I could have an --

:14:40. > :14:41.a weekend away in Europe for that a weekend away in Europe for that

:14:41. > :14:42.a weekend away in Europe for that a weekend away in Europe for that

:14:43. > :14:44.money. So I did. Here in Germany, money. So I did. Here in Germany,

:14:44. > :14:46.money. So I did. Here in Germany, things could not be more different.

:14:46. > :14:47.things could not be more different. things could not be more different.

:14:47. > :14:48.things could not be more different. This is Hanover in Lower Saxony and

:14:48. > :14:50.This is Hanover in Lower Saxony and This is Hanover in Lower Saxony and

:14:50. > :14:51.tonight the local team, Hannover 96, tonight the local team, Hannover 96,

:14:51. > :14:54.tonight the local team, Hannover 96, tonight the local team, Hannover 96,

:14:54. > :14:55.is playing in the top division, the is playing in the top division, the

:14:55. > :14:56.is playing in the top division, the Bundesliga. Bremen is 128: It does

:14:56. > :14:59.Bundesliga. Bremen is 128: It does Bundesliga. Bremen is 128: It does

:14:59. > :15:00.Bundesliga. Bremen is 128: It does away but that is not a problem, at

:15:00. > :15:04.away but that is not a problem, at away but that is not a problem, at

:15:04. > :15:06.least not an expensive one. -- least not an expensive one. --

:15:06. > :15:07.least not an expensive one. -- Bremen is 128 kilometres away. That

:15:07. > :15:08.Bremen is 128 kilometres away. That Bremen is 128 kilometres away. That

:15:08. > :15:10.Bremen is 128 kilometres away. That is because when you have a ticket

:15:10. > :15:11.is because when you have a ticket is because when you have a ticket

:15:11. > :15:12.is because when you have a ticket for the match, you can also get the

:15:12. > :15:14.for the match, you can also get the for the match, you can also get the

:15:14. > :15:15.for the match, you can also get the train for free. When I get to

:15:15. > :15:16.train for free. When I get to train for free. When I get to

:15:16. > :15:18.train for free. When I get to Brehme and I can also use my

:15:18. > :15:19.Brehme and I can also use my Brehme and I can also use my

:15:19. > :15:20.football ticket for all local football ticket for all local

:15:20. > :15:22.football ticket for all local public transport such as buses and

:15:22. > :15:23.public transport such as buses and public transport such as buses and

:15:23. > :15:29.public transport such as buses and trams to the stadium. We are now

:15:29. > :15:29.trams to the stadium. We are now trams to the stadium. We are now

:15:29. > :15:31.trams to the stadium. We are now going over the top and there does

:15:31. > :15:32.going over the top and there does going over the top and there does

:15:32. > :15:36.seem to be a slightly different seem to be a slightly different

:15:36. > :15:37.seem to be a slightly different philosophy. They make sure they are

:15:37. > :15:39.philosophy. They make sure they are affordable tickets for every

:15:39. > :15:40.affordable tickets for every affordable tickets for every

:15:40. > :15:43.Bundesliga match. This cost me 19 Bundesliga match. This cost me 19

:15:43. > :15:43.Bundesliga match. This cost me 19 euros. It is for a standing

:15:44. > :15:44.euros. It is for a standing euros. It is for a standing

:15:44. > :15:46.euros. It is for a standing position but I could have sat down

:15:46. > :15:47.position but I could have sat down position but I could have sat down

:15:47. > :15:48.for the equivalent of about �20. for the equivalent of about �20.

:15:48. > :15:49.for the equivalent of about �20. for the equivalent of about �20.

:15:49. > :15:50.How much did you pay for your How much did you pay for your

:15:50. > :15:55.How much did you pay for your How much did you pay for your

:15:55. > :15:57.ticket and what you think of that? ticket and what you think of that?

:15:57. > :15:59.ticket and what you think of that? 13 euros. About �10.That is

:15:59. > :16:01.13 euros. About �10.That is 13 euros. About �10.That is

:16:01. > :16:04.amazing. It is a little bit amazing. It is a little bit

:16:04. > :16:05.amazing. It is a little bit expensive. You are kidding? No. It

:16:05. > :16:07.expensive. You are kidding? No. It expensive. You are kidding? No. It

:16:07. > :16:08.expensive. You are kidding? No. It is too much in England. Many young

:16:08. > :16:09.is too much in England. Many young is too much in England. Many young

:16:09. > :16:12.people cannot buy these tickets. It people cannot buy these tickets. It

:16:12. > :16:13.people cannot buy these tickets. It people cannot buy these tickets. It

:16:13. > :16:14.is too much. Thomas is a social is too much. Thomas is a social

:16:14. > :16:16.is too much. Thomas is a social is too much. Thomas is a social

:16:16. > :16:17.worker in at Bremen. He is a key worker in at Bremen. He is a key

:16:17. > :16:20.worker in at Bremen. He is a key link between the Football Club and

:16:20. > :16:22.link between the Football Club and link between the Football Club and

:16:22. > :16:24.its most fanatical fans. Football its most fanatical fans. Football

:16:24. > :16:28.its most fanatical fans. Football fans in Jerry are not companies.

:16:28. > :16:30.fans in Jerry are not companies. fans in Jerry are not companies.

:16:30. > :16:31.They have social responsibility. -- They have social responsibility. --

:16:31. > :16:37.They have social responsibility. -- football clubs the net Germany who

:16:37. > :16:38.football clubs the net Germany who football clubs the net Germany who

:16:38. > :16:40.football clubs the net Germany who are not companies. And is that a

:16:40. > :16:42.are not companies. And is that a are not companies. And is that a

:16:42. > :16:43.different philosophy or is it a different philosophy or is it a

:16:43. > :16:50.different philosophy or is it a financial decision? I think it is

:16:50. > :16:51.financial decision? I think it is financial decision? I think it is

:16:51. > :16:53.financial decision? I think it is both. The North of England is where

:16:53. > :16:53.both. The North of England is where both. The North of England is where

:16:53. > :16:55.professional football began. It was professional football began. It was

:16:55. > :16:57.professional football began. It was a sport for the masses, something

:16:57. > :16:57.a sport for the masses, something a sport for the masses, something

:16:57. > :16:59.a sport for the masses, something that most working men, and it was

:16:59. > :17:00.that most working men, and it was that most working men, and it was

:17:00. > :17:01.that most working men, and it was mostly men, could afford to go and

:17:01. > :17:02.mostly men, could afford to go and mostly men, could afford to go and

:17:02. > :17:06.mostly men, could afford to go and watch, but that is a very different

:17:06. > :17:07.watch, but that is a very different watch, but that is a very different

:17:07. > :17:09.era. Today the beautiful game era. Today the beautiful game

:17:09. > :17:13.era. Today the beautiful game stands accused of charging up the

:17:13. > :17:14.stands accused of charging up the stands accused of charging up the

:17:14. > :17:15.prices. Until the 1990s, watching prices. Until the 1990s, watching

:17:15. > :17:18.prices. Until the 1990s, watching football is a relatively cheap

:17:18. > :17:21.football is a relatively cheap football is a relatively cheap

:17:21. > :17:23.pastime. Over the decades, prices pastime. Over the decades, prices

:17:23. > :17:24.pastime. Over the decades, prices kept in place with inflation. But

:17:24. > :17:28.kept in place with inflation. But kept in place with inflation. But

:17:28. > :17:28.that had its own problems. Stadiums that had its own problems. Stadiums

:17:28. > :17:31.that had its own problems. Stadiums became decrepit, which was most

:17:31. > :17:31.became decrepit, which was most became decrepit, which was most

:17:31. > :17:33.brutally exposed in the disasters brutally exposed in the disasters

:17:33. > :17:35.brutally exposed in the disasters at Valley Parade and Hillsborough.

:17:35. > :17:36.at Valley Parade and Hillsborough. at Valley Parade and Hillsborough.

:17:36. > :17:38.The Taylor report that followed The Taylor report that followed

:17:38. > :17:40.Hillsborough recommended all-seater Hillsborough recommended all-seater

:17:40. > :17:42.Hillsborough recommended all-seater stadiums for safety reasons. It

:17:42. > :17:43.stadiums for safety reasons. It stadiums for safety reasons. It

:17:43. > :17:44.also suggested fans be charged �6 also suggested fans be charged �6

:17:44. > :17:46.also suggested fans be charged �6 also suggested fans be charged �6

:17:46. > :17:48.to dig down. In today's money back to dig down. In today's money back

:17:48. > :17:51.to dig down. In today's money back to dig down. In today's money back

:17:51. > :17:53.is less than �13. -- to sit down. is less than �13. -- to sit down.

:17:53. > :17:54.is less than �13. -- to sit down. is less than �13. -- to sit down.

:17:54. > :17:55.We could have been to any English We could have been to any English

:17:55. > :17:55.We could have been to any English Premier League town and the story

:17:55. > :17:56.Premier League town and the story Premier League town and the story

:17:56. > :17:58.Premier League town and the story would have been the same. Here at

:17:58. > :17:59.would have been the same. Here at would have been the same. Here at

:17:59. > :18:00.Old Trafford in 1960 you could Old Trafford in 1960 you could

:18:00. > :18:03.Old Trafford in 1960 you could stand on the Stretford End for

:18:03. > :18:04.stand on the Stretford End for stand on the Stretford End for

:18:04. > :18:05.three shillings and sixpence, about three shillings and sixpence, about

:18:05. > :18:07.three shillings and sixpence, about �3.20 in today's money. The

:18:07. > :18:10.�3.20 in today's money. The �3.20 in today's money. The

:18:10. > :18:11.�3.20 in today's money. The cheapest seat now it is �42, �29

:18:11. > :18:14.cheapest seat now it is �42, �29 cheapest seat now it is �42, �29

:18:14. > :18:15.more than Lord Taylor recommended. more than Lord Taylor recommended.

:18:15. > :18:16.more than Lord Taylor recommended. We requested end interview with the

:18:16. > :18:17.We requested end interview with the We requested end interview with the

:18:17. > :18:19.chief executive of the Premier chief executive of the Premier

:18:19. > :18:21.chief executive of the Premier League, Richard Scudamore, but he

:18:21. > :18:22.League, Richard Scudamore, but he League, Richard Scudamore, but he

:18:22. > :18:24.League, Richard Scudamore, but he declined, but he did tell BBC radio

:18:24. > :18:25.declined, but he did tell BBC radio declined, but he did tell BBC radio

:18:25. > :18:26.last month that the protest by last month that the protest by

:18:26. > :18:28.last month that the protest by Manchester City fans had not gone

:18:28. > :18:30.Manchester City fans had not gone Manchester City fans had not gone

:18:30. > :18:31.unnoticed. Mark Palios says fans in unnoticed. Mark Palios says fans in

:18:31. > :18:32.unnoticed. Mark Palios says fans in England should not expect ticket

:18:32. > :18:35.England should not expect ticket England should not expect ticket

:18:35. > :18:36.prices to fall any time soon prices to fall any time soon

:18:36. > :18:41.prices to fall any time soon because Premier League clubs are a

:18:41. > :18:42.because Premier League clubs are a globally competitive market. Yes,

:18:42. > :18:42.globally competitive market. Yes, globally competitive market. Yes,

:18:42. > :18:44.globally competitive market. Yes, they play in the English League and

:18:44. > :18:46.they play in the English League and they play in the English League and

:18:46. > :18:48.the FA has jurisdiction over that the FA has jurisdiction over that

:18:48. > :18:49.the FA has jurisdiction over that league. But the clubs also compete

:18:49. > :18:51.league. But the clubs also compete league. But the clubs also compete

:18:51. > :18:52.on international basis. They play on international basis. They play

:18:52. > :18:55.on international basis. They play in Europe and they complete --

:18:55. > :18:55.in Europe and they complete -- in Europe and they complete --

:18:55. > :18:57.compete globally for their players compete globally for their players

:18:57. > :18:57.compete globally for their players so until you can actually control

:18:57. > :19:00.so until you can actually control so until you can actually control

:19:00. > :19:02.the people they are competing the people they are competing

:19:02. > :19:04.against, Barcelona, Madrid, you against, Barcelona, Madrid, you

:19:04. > :19:05.cannot put restrictions on cannot put restrictions on

:19:05. > :19:10.cannot put restrictions on Manchester United, for example, or

:19:10. > :19:10.Manchester United, for example, or Manchester United, for example, or

:19:10. > :19:13.Arsenal. Otherwise our clubs would Arsenal. Otherwise our clubs would

:19:13. > :19:15.be active disadvantage. English be active disadvantage. English

:19:15. > :19:17.be active disadvantage. English football is a huge economic export

:19:17. > :19:18.football is a huge economic export football is a huge economic export

:19:18. > :19:19.football is a huge economic export story for UK plc but for the

:19:19. > :19:20.story for UK plc but for the story for UK plc but for the

:19:20. > :19:21.Premier League to continue to Premier League to continue to

:19:21. > :19:22.Premier League to continue to thrive, those in charge may be

:19:23. > :19:23.thrive, those in charge may be thrive, those in charge may be

:19:23. > :19:24.forced to remind themselves that forced to remind themselves that

:19:24. > :19:25.forced to remind themselves that forced to remind themselves that

:19:25. > :19:27.the fans are not just there to the fans are not just there to

:19:27. > :19:28.the fans are not just there to the fans are not just there to

:19:28. > :19:37.watch the show. They are a crucial watch the show. They are a crucial

:19:37. > :19:38.element of the show. element of the show.

:19:38. > :19:43.element of the show. Up there has been a great

:19:43. > :19:45.Up there has been a great Up there has been a great

:19:45. > :19:46.Up there has been a great atmosphere here but for a -- this

:19:46. > :19:50.atmosphere here but for a -- this atmosphere here but for a -- this

:19:50. > :19:51.has been a great atmosphere. has been a great atmosphere.

:19:51. > :19:52.has been a great atmosphere. Weather aside, the Bundesliga and

:19:52. > :19:55.Weather aside, the Bundesliga and Weather aside, the Bundesliga and

:19:55. > :19:56.the Premier League have much in the Premier League have much in

:19:56. > :19:57.the Premier League have much in common. Where they differ currently

:19:57. > :19:58.common. Where they differ currently common. Where they differ currently

:19:58. > :19:59.common. Where they differ currently is over their ticket price a loss

:19:59. > :20:00.is over their ticket price a loss is over their ticket price a loss

:20:00. > :20:02.is over their ticket price a loss of the but with pressure to bring

:20:02. > :20:03.of the but with pressure to bring in England, Manchester City's

:20:03. > :20:04.in England, Manchester City's in England, Manchester City's

:20:04. > :20:10.in England, Manchester City's protest may come to be seen as a

:20:10. > :20:12.tipping point. tipping point.

:20:12. > :20:14.tipping point. Textile mills like these ones may

:20:14. > :20:14.Textile mills like these ones may Textile mills like these ones may

:20:14. > :20:15.Textile mills like these ones may be North West the cotton kings of

:20:15. > :20:16.be North West the cotton kings of be North West the cotton kings of

:20:16. > :20:18.the world but today, with the the world but today, with the

:20:18. > :20:20.recession, these buildings are recession, these buildings are

:20:20. > :20:21.recession, these buildings are recession, these buildings are

:20:21. > :20:22.under threat as never before. Now a under threat as never before. Now a

:20:22. > :20:23.under threat as never before. Now a unique project is under way to

:20:23. > :20:24.unique project is under way to unique project is under way to

:20:24. > :20:26.document all the surviving cotton document all the surviving cotton

:20:26. > :20:27.document all the surviving cotton mills in Lancashire for the very

:20:27. > :20:28.mills in Lancashire for the very mills in Lancashire for the very

:20:28. > :20:29.mills in Lancashire for the very first time and we follow one man's

:20:29. > :20:30.first time and we follow one man's first time and we follow one man's

:20:30. > :20:31.first time and we follow one man's quest to visit the best of them

:20:31. > :20:35.quest to visit the best of them quest to visit the best of them

:20:35. > :20:36.before the bulldozers move in. before the bulldozers move in.

:20:36. > :20:38.before the bulldozers move in. They dominate the skyline in towns

:20:38. > :20:42.They dominate the skyline in towns They dominate the skyline in towns

:20:42. > :20:43.and cities across the North West. and cities across the North West.

:20:43. > :20:44.and cities across the North West. But today, hundreds of crumbling

:20:44. > :20:46.But today, hundreds of crumbling But today, hundreds of crumbling

:20:46. > :20:49.textile mills are under threat from textile mills are under threat from

:20:49. > :20:51.neglect and possible demolition. neglect and possible demolition.

:20:51. > :20:52.neglect and possible demolition. Ian Miller is a professional

:20:52. > :20:52.Ian Miller is a professional Ian Miller is a professional

:20:52. > :20:53.archaeologist whose job is to archaeologist whose job is to

:20:53. > :20:59.document and preserve these document and preserve these

:20:59. > :21:00.document and preserve these buildings. He has come to Bamber

:21:00. > :21:00.buildings. He has come to Bamber buildings. He has come to Bamber

:21:00. > :21:03.buildings. He has come to Bamber Bridge near Preston to look at this

:21:03. > :21:05.Bridge near Preston to look at this Bridge near Preston to look at this

:21:05. > :21:09.one. What is the largest single one. What is the largest single

:21:09. > :21:11.one. What is the largest single edifice on the horizon? This. So

:21:11. > :21:12.edifice on the horizon? This. So edifice on the horizon? This. So

:21:12. > :21:14.edifice on the horizon? This. So from a heritage 0.2 few, it really

:21:14. > :21:19.from a heritage 0.2 few, it really does characterise Lancashire itself,

:21:19. > :21:21.does characterise Lancashire itself, does characterise Lancashire itself,

:21:21. > :21:23.does characterise Lancashire itself, the cotton mill,. -- point of view.

:21:23. > :21:24.the cotton mill,. -- point of view. the cotton mill,. -- point of view.

:21:24. > :21:25.the cotton mill,. -- point of view. The owner of this male wants to

:21:25. > :21:27.The owner of this male wants to The owner of this male wants to

:21:27. > :21:29.The owner of this male wants to demolish it and replace it with 200

:21:29. > :21:31.demolish it and replace it with 200 demolish it and replace it with 200

:21:31. > :21:32.family homes. -- this gum. The family homes. -- this gum. The

:21:32. > :21:35.family homes. -- this gum. The pattern is being repeated across

:21:35. > :21:37.pattern is being repeated across pattern is being repeated across

:21:37. > :21:39.North West, with plans to replace North West, with plans to replace

:21:39. > :21:40.North West, with plans to replace North West, with plans to replace

:21:40. > :21:42.this one in Rochdale with up to this one in Rochdale with up to

:21:42. > :21:43.this one in Rochdale with up to fortune I new houses. Ian's

:21:43. > :21:45.fortune I new houses. Ian's fortune I new houses. Ian's

:21:45. > :21:45.challenge is to get access to challenge is to get access to

:21:46. > :21:48.challenge is to get access to buildings like this before they are

:21:48. > :21:49.buildings like this before they are buildings like this before they are

:21:49. > :21:50.buildings like this before they are gone forever. We do a survey of

:21:50. > :21:53.gone forever. We do a survey of gone forever. We do a survey of

:21:53. > :21:54.what the condition is like. The what the condition is like. The

:21:54. > :21:55.what the condition is like. The what the condition is like. The

:21:55. > :21:56.next part is getting into the ones next part is getting into the ones

:21:56. > :21:58.next part is getting into the ones next part is getting into the ones

:21:58. > :21:59.we really want to get into. That is we really want to get into. That is

:21:59. > :22:01.we really want to get into. That is a challenge. A decade ago, the

:22:01. > :22:04.a challenge. A decade ago, the property boom meant developers

:22:04. > :22:06.property boom meant developers property boom meant developers

:22:06. > :22:08.could not get enough industrial could not get enough industrial

:22:08. > :22:09.could not get enough industrial buildings like bees to turn into

:22:09. > :22:10.buildings like bees to turn into buildings like bees to turn into

:22:10. > :22:11.offices and trendy apartments but offices and trendy apartments but

:22:11. > :22:12.offices and trendy apartments but when boom turned to bust

:22:12. > :22:18.when boom turned to bust redeveloping them became more

:22:18. > :22:19.redeveloping them became more redeveloping them became more

:22:19. > :22:21.difficult. From 2008 onwards more difficult. From 2008 onwards more

:22:21. > :22:22.difficult. From 2008 onwards more or less everything has changed. The

:22:22. > :22:23.or less everything has changed. The or less everything has changed. The

:22:23. > :22:25.market has changed and developers market has changed and developers

:22:25. > :22:27.market has changed and developers market has changed and developers

:22:27. > :22:28.are now having to, or half for the are now having to, or half for the

:22:28. > :22:29.are now having to, or half for the are now having to, or half for the

:22:29. > :22:31.last four or five years, had to last four or five years, had to

:22:31. > :22:32.last four or five years, had to stop thinking differently about how

:22:32. > :22:33.stop thinking differently about how stop thinking differently about how

:22:33. > :22:35.they get finance, the schemes they they get finance, the schemes they

:22:35. > :22:38.they get finance, the schemes they can bring forward. In the Ancoats

:22:38. > :22:39.can bring forward. In the Ancoats can bring forward. In the Ancoats

:22:39. > :22:42.area of Manchester, proposals to area of Manchester, proposals to

:22:42. > :22:43.area of Manchester, proposals to convert Stubbs Mill into loft

:22:43. > :22:44.convert Stubbs Mill into loft convert Stubbs Mill into loft

:22:44. > :22:45.apartments has not materialised and apartments has not materialised and

:22:45. > :22:47.apartments has not materialised and the building is derelict. Next door

:22:47. > :22:48.the building is derelict. Next door the building is derelict. Next door

:22:48. > :22:50.campaigners want to say the listed campaigners want to say the listed

:22:50. > :22:52.campaigners want to say the listed Ancoats Dispensary after the local

:22:52. > :22:53.Ancoats Dispensary after the local council granted permission to

:22:53. > :22:55.council granted permission to council granted permission to

:22:55. > :22:55.demolish it last year. The problem demolish it last year. The problem

:22:55. > :22:58.demolish it last year. The problem demolish it last year. The problem

:22:58. > :23:03.demolish it last year. The problem with a meal is it is a rigid form.

:23:03. > :23:04.with a meal is it is a rigid form. with a meal is it is a rigid form.

:23:04. > :23:05.with a meal is it is a rigid form. -- with a gum. -- the problem with

:23:06. > :23:06.-- with a gum. -- the problem with -- with a gum. -- the problem with

:23:06. > :23:11.-- with a gum. -- the problem with a textile mill is it is a rigid

:23:11. > :23:13.a textile mill is it is a rigid a textile mill is it is a rigid

:23:13. > :23:15.form. 200 years ago, textile mills form. 200 years ago, textile mills

:23:16. > :23:17.form. 200 years ago, textile mills helped make Lancashire rich. There

:23:17. > :23:18.helped make Lancashire rich. There helped make Lancashire rich. There

:23:18. > :23:20.were 2,500 in the county, employing were 2,500 in the county, employing

:23:20. > :23:21.were 2,500 in the county, employing almost half a million people, but

:23:21. > :23:23.almost half a million people, but new technology and overseas

:23:23. > :23:27.new technology and overseas competition eventually make them

:23:27. > :23:28.competition eventually make them redundant. This panoramic photos

:23:28. > :23:30.redundant. This panoramic photos redundant. This panoramic photos

:23:30. > :23:32.showed how cotton mills once showed how cotton mills once

:23:32. > :23:33.showed how cotton mills once dominated the skyline of Oldham.

:23:33. > :23:34.dominated the skyline of Oldham. dominated the skyline of Oldham.

:23:34. > :23:35.dominated the skyline of Oldham. Ian has come to the town's art

:23:35. > :23:37.Ian has come to the town's art Ian has come to the town's art

:23:37. > :23:40.Ian has come to the town's art gallery to take a closer look.

:23:40. > :23:41.gallery to take a closer look. gallery to take a closer look.

:23:41. > :23:42.gallery to take a closer look. photograph was taken in 1876 by a

:23:42. > :23:43.photograph was taken in 1876 by a photograph was taken in 1876 by a

:23:43. > :23:47.man called Squire Knott. What he man called Squire Knott. What he

:23:47. > :23:49.man called Squire Knott. What he has done, not really realising it,

:23:49. > :23:50.has done, not really realising it, has done, not really realising it,

:23:50. > :23:53.has done, not really realising it, is captured Oldham at a time of

:23:53. > :23:55.is captured Oldham at a time of great boom. This really

:23:55. > :23:58.great boom. This really characterises all caricatures

:23:58. > :24:00.characterises all caricatures characterises all caricatures

:24:00. > :24:01.Lancashire. The loss of those Lancashire. The loss of those

:24:01. > :24:02.Lancashire. The loss of those buildings really takes that unique

:24:02. > :24:07.buildings really takes that unique buildings really takes that unique

:24:07. > :24:08.character away from the town. character away from the town.

:24:08. > :24:09.character away from the town. character away from the town.

:24:10. > :24:10.company has been to do study and company has been to do study and

:24:10. > :24:12.company has been to do study and company has been to do study and

:24:12. > :24:14.document for the first time all the document for the first time all the

:24:14. > :24:15.historic textile mills in historic textile mills in

:24:15. > :24:17.historic textile mills in Lancashire. Good afternoon, it is

:24:17. > :24:18.Lancashire. Good afternoon, it is Lancashire. Good afternoon, it is

:24:18. > :24:20.Lancashire. Good afternoon, it is Ian Miller. It is a huge task. The

:24:20. > :24:21.Ian Miller. It is a huge task. The Ian Miller. It is a huge task. The

:24:21. > :24:24.first part of the study identified first part of the study identified

:24:24. > :24:25.first part of the study identified hundreds of buildings. Ian's now

:24:25. > :24:27.hundreds of buildings. Ian's now hundreds of buildings. Ian's now

:24:27. > :24:29.speaking to mill owners in person speaking to mill owners in person

:24:29. > :24:30.speaking to mill owners in person so he can make detailed inspections

:24:30. > :24:31.so he can make detailed inspections so he can make detailed inspections

:24:31. > :24:32.so he can make detailed inspections of 50 of the most important. Some

:24:32. > :24:33.of 50 of the most important. Some of 50 of the most important. Some

:24:33. > :24:35.of 50 of the most important. Some people are not very keen for us to

:24:35. > :24:36.people are not very keen for us to people are not very keen for us to

:24:36. > :24:37.go in, which you might understand, go in, which you might understand,

:24:37. > :24:39.go in, which you might understand, go in, which you might understand,

:24:39. > :24:40.but it does not make things easy but it does not make things easy

:24:40. > :24:41.but it does not make things easy but it does not make things easy

:24:41. > :24:43.sometimes. A few days later Ian has sometimes. A few days later Ian has

:24:43. > :24:47.sometimes. A few days later Ian has had some success. He has been

:24:47. > :24:47.had some success. He has been had some success. He has been

:24:47. > :24:55.had some success. He has been granted access to a complex in beat

:24:55. > :24:56.granted access to a complex in beat granted access to a complex in beat

:24:56. > :24:57.Weavers' Triangle in Burnley. Ian's Weavers' Triangle in Burnley. Ian's

:24:57. > :24:59.Weavers' Triangle in Burnley. Ian's colleague Chris is undertaking a

:24:59. > :25:00.colleague Chris is undertaking a colleague Chris is undertaking a

:25:00. > :25:02.survey of the Sandygate weaving survey of the Sandygate weaving

:25:02. > :25:04.survey of the Sandygate weaving shed, a building dating from the

:25:04. > :25:06.shed, a building dating from the shed, a building dating from the

:25:06. > :25:07.shed, a building dating from the 1850s, which is now without a roof.

:25:07. > :25:08.1850s, which is now without a roof. 1850s, which is now without a roof.

:25:08. > :25:10.1850s, which is now without a roof. Why thing we want to find out is

:25:10. > :25:11.Why thing we want to find out is Why thing we want to find out is

:25:11. > :25:12.Why thing we want to find out is how big this building is. When you

:25:12. > :25:13.how big this building is. When you how big this building is. When you

:25:13. > :25:15.how big this building is. When you pass by a weaving shed, one looks

:25:15. > :25:16.pass by a weaving shed, one looks pass by a weaving shed, one looks

:25:16. > :25:19.pass by a weaving shed, one looks like another, but there are a lot

:25:19. > :25:22.like another, but there are a lot like another, but there are a lot

:25:22. > :25:23.of interesting details. We take a of interesting details. We take a

:25:23. > :25:24.of interesting details. We take a load of photographs and work out

:25:24. > :25:26.load of photographs and work out load of photographs and work out

:25:26. > :25:27.what the shed looked like. Next what the shed looked like. Next

:25:27. > :25:29.what the shed looked like. Next what the shed looked like. Next

:25:29. > :25:31.door there is a building that shows door there is a building that shows

:25:31. > :25:31.door there is a building that shows door there is a building that shows

:25:32. > :25:33.door there is a building that shows what can be do -- and done with a

:25:33. > :25:35.what can be do -- and done with a what can be do -- and done with a

:25:35. > :25:37.little care to turn a crumbling little care to turn a crumbling

:25:37. > :25:37.little care to turn a crumbling textile mill into something new.

:25:37. > :25:38.textile mill into something new. textile mill into something new.

:25:38. > :25:39.textile mill into something new. Victorian mill is on its way to

:25:39. > :25:42.Victorian mill is on its way to Victorian mill is on its way to

:25:42. > :25:43.becoming a new technical college. becoming a new technical college.

:25:43. > :25:45.becoming a new technical college. becoming a new technical college.

:25:45. > :25:46.It was 18 months since we were last It was 18 months since we were last

:25:46. > :25:49.It was 18 months since we were last It was 18 months since we were last

:25:49. > :25:50.in this building and it was a wreck. in this building and it was a wreck.

:25:50. > :25:51.in this building and it was a wreck. in this building and it was a wreck.

:25:51. > :25:53.It is really nice to see it It is really nice to see it

:25:53. > :25:55.retaining some historic features, retaining some historic features,

:25:55. > :25:58.retaining some historic features, particularly the hoist over there.

:25:58. > :25:59.particularly the hoist over there. particularly the hoist over there.

:25:59. > :26:02.Architecture really, the rooms are Architecture really, the rooms are

:26:02. > :26:03.Architecture really, the rooms are designed so that hoists can be

:26:03. > :26:08.designed so that hoists can be accommodated without being a

:26:08. > :26:10.accommodated without being a accommodated without being a

:26:10. > :26:12.hindrance. They will be there to hindrance. They will be there to

:26:12. > :26:15.hindrance. They will be there to view forever, hopefully. A few days

:26:15. > :26:17.view forever, hopefully. A few days view forever, hopefully. A few days

:26:17. > :26:18.view forever, hopefully. A few days later, Ian has come to Queen Street

:26:18. > :26:19.later, Ian has come to Queen Street later, Ian has come to Queen Street

:26:19. > :26:22.later, Ian has come to Queen Street Mill to meet his colleague who is

:26:22. > :26:24.Mill to meet his colleague who is Mill to meet his colleague who is

:26:24. > :26:25.Mill to meet his colleague who is using a balloon to get a view bar

:26:25. > :26:27.using a balloon to get a view bar using a balloon to get a view bar

:26:27. > :26:28.of the architecture. With the wind of the architecture. With the wind

:26:28. > :26:29.of the architecture. With the wind of the architecture. With the wind

:26:29. > :26:31.picking up, they decide to opt for picking up, they decide to opt for

:26:31. > :26:33.picking up, they decide to opt for a more reliable method of

:26:33. > :26:34.a more reliable method of a more reliable method of

:26:34. > :26:37.observation. I have asked Jayne be observation. I have asked Jayne be

:26:37. > :26:38.observation. I have asked Jayne be observation. I have asked Jayne be

:26:38. > :26:40.to take a whole load of photographs to take a whole load of photographs

:26:40. > :26:40.to take a whole load of photographs to take a whole load of photographs

:26:40. > :26:42.ball -- from all the angles around ball -- from all the angles around

:26:42. > :26:43.ball -- from all the angles around ball -- from all the angles around

:26:43. > :26:45.the building. He puts that into a the building. He puts that into a

:26:45. > :26:46.the building. He puts that into a the building. He puts that into a

:26:46. > :26:47.software package and we get 83 D software package and we get 83 D

:26:47. > :26:48.software package and we get 83 D accurate model of the building. I'm

:26:48. > :26:53.accurate model of the building. I'm accurate model of the building. I'm

:26:53. > :26:54.accurate model of the building. I'm not entirely sure how this works! -

:26:54. > :26:58.not entirely sure how this works! - not entirely sure how this works! -

:26:58. > :27:00.not entirely sure how this works! - - a 3D accurate model. We have

:27:00. > :27:02.- a 3D accurate model. We have - a 3D accurate model. We have

:27:02. > :27:04.created a whole mass of photographs. created a whole mass of photographs.

:27:04. > :27:08.created a whole mass of photographs. From the ground, aerial shot, from

:27:08. > :27:12.From the ground, aerial shot, from From the ground, aerial shot, from

:27:12. > :27:12.all different angles. And like all different angles. And like

:27:12. > :27:21.all different angles. And like magic, it creates this three-

:27:21. > :27:25.magic, it creates this three- magic, it creates this three-

:27:25. > :27:27.dimensional model. It is a dimensional model. It is a

:27:27. > :27:28.dimensional model. It is a wonderful tool. He also has

:27:28. > :27:30.wonderful tool. He also has wonderful tool. He also has

:27:30. > :27:31.important news about Queen Street important news about Queen Street

:27:31. > :27:33.important news about Queen Street Mill. An application to list the

:27:33. > :27:34.Mill. An application to list the Mill. An application to list the

:27:34. > :27:38.historic weaving shed is now being historic weaving shed is now being

:27:38. > :27:39.considered by English Heritage. considered by English Heritage.

:27:39. > :27:40.considered by English Heritage. considered by English Heritage.

:27:40. > :27:42.Once a building is designated as a Once a building is designated as a

:27:42. > :27:43.listed building, any alterations listed building, any alterations

:27:43. > :27:44.listed building, any alterations listed building, any alterations

:27:44. > :27:44.require consent and will have to be require consent and will have to be

:27:44. > :27:47.require consent and will have to be looked at carefully. It is

:27:47. > :27:49.looked at carefully. It is immensely important and remarkably,

:27:49. > :27:51.immensely important and remarkably, immensely important and remarkably,

:27:51. > :27:52.immensely important and remarkably, to my mind, it does not actually

:27:52. > :27:54.to my mind, it does not actually to my mind, it does not actually

:27:54. > :27:54.have listed building resignation at have listed building resignation at

:27:54. > :27:55.have listed building resignation at have listed building resignation at

:27:55. > :27:56.the moment. It is a small victory the moment. It is a small victory

:27:56. > :27:57.the moment. It is a small victory the moment. It is a small victory

:27:57. > :27:58.and one that makes you an even more and one that makes you an even more

:27:58. > :28:02.and one that makes you an even more determined to carry on with his

:28:02. > :28:03.determined to carry on with his determined to carry on with his

:28:04. > :28:04.determined to carry on with his work. I am hoping our survey will

:28:04. > :28:06.work. I am hoping our survey will work. I am hoping our survey will

:28:06. > :28:07.work. I am hoping our survey will really help to raise the profile so

:28:07. > :28:08.really help to raise the profile so really help to raise the profile so

:28:08. > :28:09.that people can appreciate textile that people can appreciate textile

:28:09. > :28:10.that people can appreciate textile that people can appreciate textile

:28:10. > :28:13.that people can appreciate textile mills a bit more. At the end of the

:28:13. > :28:14.mills a bit more. At the end of the mills a bit more. At the end of the

:28:14. > :28:16.day, if it leads to the day, if it leads to the

:28:16. > :28:19.day, if it leads to the preservation of all the re-use of

:28:19. > :28:22.preservation of all the re-use of preservation of all the re-use of

:28:22. > :28:24.the buildings I will be delighted. the buildings I will be delighted.

:28:24. > :28:25.the buildings I will be delighted. -- preservation or re-use. That is

:28:25. > :28:27.-- preservation or re-use. That is -- preservation or re-use. That is

:28:27. > :28:29.-- preservation or re-use. That is it from me for this series. You can

:28:29. > :28:30.it from me for this series. You can it from me for this series. You can

:28:30. > :28:31.it from me for this series. You can catch Inside Out again on the BBC

:28:31. > :28:33.catch Inside Out again on the BBC catch Inside Out again on the BBC