:00:00. > :00:10.Good evening and welcome to this evening's edition of Inside Out
:00:10. > :00:17.North West. This week, we are in Liverpool. We will be looking at
:00:17. > :00:21.amazing photographs of the damage inflicted on the city. Tonight,
:00:21. > :00:22.amazing photographs of the damage go in search of illegal poachers on
:00:22. > :00:33.our rivers. It is billions over go in search of illegal poachers on
:00:33. > :00:40.years over time. Should the company cleaning Sellafield be kept on the
:00:40. > :00:47.job got a Mac on the job —— on the job? It is pure chance that these
:00:47. > :01:14.Fishing is one of the most popular everybody pays the law. There has
:01:14. > :01:23.been a rise in the number of people who steal cash. It may look like a
:01:23. > :01:29.scene from a Vietnamese war film but it in fact is the River Mersey,
:01:29. > :01:31.scene from a Vietnamese war film but Fisheries patrol. The fisheries
:01:31. > :01:35.enforcement officers on this boat are looking out for signs of illegal
:01:35. > :01:50.fishing on a stretch of water which is popular with river poachers.
:01:50. > :01:55.fishing on a stretch of water which it looks like they may have found
:01:55. > :02:00.what they were looking for. A rope attached to the canisters floating
:02:00. > :02:15.suspiciously like there could be an beneath the water. On this occasion
:02:15. > :02:18.the object turns out to be a device put into the river to measure water
:02:18. > :02:21.quality. But it's not long before the patrol comes across evidence
:02:21. > :02:26.that someone has been illegally fishing in the area. They're looking
:02:26. > :02:29.on the bank because it's an area we haven't seen anybody fishing before
:02:29. > :02:33.and it's very difficult to get to, so it's either somebody who knows
:02:33. > :02:36.it's good fishing and worth the effort to get here, the fishing
:02:36. > :02:37.it's good fishing and worth the illegal because there's no fishing
:02:37. > :02:41.somebody who doesn't want to be illegal because there's no fishing
:02:41. > :02:45.by anybody doing what they are doing. So the officer on the bank
:02:45. > :02:47.has just been having a look to see if there are any signs of fishing
:02:47. > :02:50.tackle, fishing line, the kinds if there are any signs of fishing
:02:50. > :02:53.stuff that an angler might leave behind if they've not tidied up
:02:53. > :02:56.properly or evidence of somebody using illegal methods so little
:02:56. > :02:56.properly or evidence of somebody of twine rather than fishing line
:02:56. > :03:01.could be used to tie a gill net of twine rather than fishing line
:03:01. > :03:05.because this is one of the areas where we've had people poaching
:03:05. > :03:08.before. The fisheries officers have powers of arrest but catching the
:03:09. > :03:12.poachers in the act is a lot harder. Steve Powell is the man whose job it
:03:12. > :03:18.is to protect the region's rivers and lakes from the poachers. How big
:03:18. > :03:23.England? Fish poaching is a massive concern for the Environment Agency.
:03:23. > :03:28.industry and the revenue that those approximately £12 to £14—million a
:03:28. > :03:34.year. And then you have a sea trout run on top of that which is worth
:03:34. > :03:37.another eight million pounds a year. So financially there's a lot of
:03:37. > :03:39.value in the fish that run these river as well as the environmental
:03:39. > :03:43.value of having these fish here river as well as the environmental
:03:43. > :03:47.the first place. How are people catching these fish? What methods
:03:47. > :03:50.are illegal? There are a wide range of different methods from set lines
:03:50. > :03:53.with gill nets. There's a wide range of different methods; anything from
:03:53. > :03:56.setting illegal nets, setting fish traps or setting lines, bated lines
:03:56. > :04:01.in the water that fish passively, catch fish and they will return
:04:01. > :04:03.in the water that fish passively, take those fish. In the UK there are
:04:03. > :04:07.limits to the numbers of fish you are allowed to take but illegal
:04:07. > :04:09.limits to the numbers of fish you like these can very quickly empty a
:04:09. > :04:12.river of its entire fishing stock. It's something that upsets fishermen
:04:12. > :04:14.like David Hunt who obey the law. You know I've been fishing now close
:04:14. > :04:18.to 40 years and I haven't. What You know I've been fishing now close
:04:18. > :04:22.would say is that I've never seen anything like that but it's becoming
:04:22. > :04:25.apparent over the last two or three years that we're finding more and
:04:25. > :04:28.more cases of illegal fishing, people fishing without rod licence,
:04:28. > :04:31.people fishing for what is termed as 'the pot', fishing for fish that
:04:31. > :04:35.they're simply going to catch, no matter what size, to take home to
:04:35. > :04:38.eat. That's become more and more evident as the last few years have
:04:38. > :04:42.progressed. You didn't use to see that ten years ago, maybe not five
:04:42. > :04:46.years ago, certainly not but within the last two or three years there
:04:46. > :04:49.has been than fish kills for no other reason than to feed people.
:04:49. > :04:54.Very difficult to detect. This must yourself, honest fishermen? It is
:04:54. > :04:57.because we're paddling up and down and we're casting and we're enjoying
:04:57. > :05:01.the environment, the swans, the kingfishers, the otters and all
:05:01. > :05:02.the environment, the swans, the wildlife that is here and has been
:05:02. > :05:06.encouraged to flourish because this water that we're on at the moment is
:05:06. > :05:08.in the top five improved from a quality point of view, waters in the
:05:08. > :05:12.last two years, that's fact. So quality point of view, waters in the
:05:12. > :05:15.happens is the water gets better, the fish stocks get better, the
:05:15. > :05:18.wildlife surrounding it gets better and everybody's happy and as long as
:05:18. > :05:22.you are catching fish for pleasure continues, there's no problem. He
:05:23. > :05:26.and a friend discovered just how serious a problem it is when they
:05:26. > :05:30.went fishing on the River Mersey near Warrington earlier this year.
:05:30. > :05:33.Well it was a January day and me and my friend George, he's my fishing
:05:33. > :05:37.partner if you like, decided we should get out on the river for
:05:37. > :05:37.partner if you like, decided we few hours just to see what we could
:05:37. > :05:44.expectation really. They had in few hours just to see what we could
:05:44. > :05:45.stumbled across an illegal fishing net which had been submerged under
:05:46. > :05:56.poachers. I was on scene within net which had been submerged under
:05:56. > :05:59.minutes and at that point where net which had been submerged under
:05:59. > :06:02.met the anglers the net was on the river bank where they'd recovered
:06:02. > :06:07.the net to the river bank. There was still fish in it. The anglers had
:06:07. > :06:11.thought were still alive, back to the river, but some of the fish
:06:11. > :06:15.thought were still alive, back to were still stuck in the net which
:06:15. > :06:18.signings of life. So began a two—day surveillance operation mounted by
:06:18. > :06:21.the Environment Agency in the hope that those responsible for setting
:06:21. > :06:28.the nets would return to collect them. After probably three or four
:06:28. > :06:31.hours of being in the observation point I was actually watching across
:06:31. > :06:35.the confluence to where the nets were set and basically a figure
:06:35. > :06:37.the confluence to where the nets down in a dinghy on the right bank
:06:37. > :06:59.that we were located on, literally 15 to 20 metres from our location.
:06:59. > :07:04.basically slowly came down the side of the bank and I gave the call
:07:04. > :07:04.basically slowly came down the side the radio that 'Charlie One' was on
:07:04. > :07:44.I could see a large splash as they ran through the undergrowth. You are
:07:44. > :07:54.under arrest for suspicious illegal containing the nets. They had made
:07:54. > :07:57.an attempt to conceal the article from us. The poachers, Gintaras
:07:57. > :08:00.Valiukonis and Arturas Bulota, appeared at Warrington Magistrates'
:08:00. > :08:04.Court in July where they were fined a total of £710 for illegal fishing.
:08:04. > :08:08.It's believed the pair, who are a total of £710 for illegal fishing.
:08:09. > :08:16.distribute the fish within the Manchester. The problem of some
:08:16. > :08:20.Eastern Europeans fishing illegal Environment Agency has launched
:08:20. > :08:26.Eastern Europeans fishing illegal campaign to try and discourage this
:08:26. > :08:29.practice. Fishing is a very popular sport in Eastern Europe but the
:08:29. > :08:31.practice. Fishing is a very popular are very different to here. So the
:08:31. > :08:40.Environment Agency has joined forces Association and the Angling Trust to
:08:40. > :09:00.community. Polish angler Radoslav Papiewski has been helping to get
:09:00. > :09:07.tensions. It is normal back at home that it is illegal here. We asked if
:09:08. > :09:24.there was something we could do together. What is the difference in
:09:24. > :09:27.laws between both countries? Well the main difference is that in
:09:27. > :09:30.Eastern European countries and pretty much all over Europe you
:09:30. > :09:32.Eastern European countries and actually remove fish for food. If
:09:32. > :09:37.you look back through history fish was always removed from the water
:09:37. > :09:40.generations have been doing it. We've got different regulations
:09:40. > :09:40.generations have been doing it. in Poland because we've got certain
:09:40. > :09:44.sizes of fish which we have got in Poland because we've got certain
:09:44. > :09:49.return back into the water. So some especially when they are a good
:09:49. > :09:51.return back into the water. So some to lay the eggs, however if they
:09:51. > :09:55.reach a minimum size we can actually remove them and take them and eat
:09:55. > :09:59.them. In UK there is a different by—laws which is not allowing people
:09:59. > :10:04.to take fish out of the water. And multi—lingual leaflets, and I have
:10:04. > :10:07.one with me which explains the basic rules of fishing in the UK and it's
:10:07. > :10:12.been translated into different languages and these are probably the
:10:12. > :10:15.migrant workers. But for those who still flout the law the fisheries
:10:15. > :10:19.patrol will continue to police our environment from the poachers.
:10:19. > :10:22.Coming up, how the impact of the Blitz is still felt today. Ships
:10:22. > :10:33.were not anchored here because of currently spending billions of
:10:33. > :10:42.pounds to make safe the nuclear Cumbria. Should the government
:10:42. > :10:46.watchdog allowed the contract to run or look at somebody else to take
:10:46. > :10:52.over this complex operation will stop it has weeks to decide. For the
:10:52. > :10:54.first time in British television, Chris Jack and that Chris Jackson
:10:54. > :11:23.Sellafield in West Cumbria. Once it was a bomb factory, then there was a
:11:23. > :11:32.very public world first. It gives me pride that I now open this power
:11:32. > :11:40.station. In 2013, it is a place military and industrial history
:11:40. > :11:42.means there's more nuclear waste stored here than anywhere else in
:11:42. > :11:46.the UK. This site is one of the stored here than anywhere else in
:11:46. > :11:49.complex and hazardous in the world. Security, as you'd expect is tight
:11:50. > :11:53.here, it's taken me months to gain access. This is the most dangerous
:11:53. > :11:56.and oldest part of Sellafield. The top priority is to make these ponds
:11:56. > :12:05.People may not think this is a big task because you cannot see the
:12:05. > :12:09.problem here, can you? It is a massive task because the stuff is
:12:09. > :12:12.still active so it needs to be handled with the respect and care it
:12:12. > :12:21.deserves. It's the first time a British TV crew has been a granted
:12:21. > :12:27.Under the water we have got lots of materials from the early nuclear
:12:27. > :12:31.facility safe by removing that fuel in a safe manner. There's only
:12:31. > :12:34.limited historic plans to help Tony and his team clear these potentially
:12:34. > :12:39.lethal ponds, a legacy of the speed constructed. So it's left to Tony to
:12:39. > :12:44.untangle this dangerous part of constructed. So it's left to Tony to
:12:44. > :12:47.industrial history. Decommissioning was not considered at the time so
:12:47. > :12:52.that's given us a massive challenge on how to do it safely and in the
:12:52. > :12:53.environment, and we've got it in an aging facility. This was the first
:12:53. > :12:58.in the country and we have done aging facility. This was the first
:12:58. > :13:01.in a very tight time scale. In a couple of years, we had the pile
:13:01. > :13:04.reactors built, commissioned and operational. You could not do that
:13:04. > :13:07.today? No, the rigor we have to operational. You could not do that
:13:07. > :13:15.through to develop the safety cases alone like this would take a lot
:13:15. > :13:18.longer than that. It must be strange though, the decommissioning on this
:13:18. > :13:22.site will not be finished in your or my lifetime? The site itself you are
:13:22. > :13:26.probably talking 100 years or so, all I can do in my lifetime is
:13:26. > :13:28.ensure we do this particular area safely. The scale of the project is
:13:28. > :13:44.billion to clean up Sellafield. safely. The scale of the project is
:13:44. > :13:48.£67.5bn. That's more than Tunisia's economy produces in a year. In
:13:48. > :13:49.£67.5bn. That's more than Tunisia's Authority, the NDA, appointed three
:13:49. > :13:53.companies to tackle the hazardous clean up. Areva, AMEC and URS. They
:13:53. > :13:56.make up Nuclear Management Partners, NMP, and their subsidiary Sellafield
:13:56. > :13:58.Ltd. Their contract is reviewed every five years. So how is it
:13:58. > :14:02.going? Of the 14 major projects every five years. So how is it
:14:02. > :14:06.the go here 12 have delivered less than planned. Deadlines have been
:14:06. > :14:15.missed, meaning buildings remain projects are already over budget, in
:14:15. > :14:18.million. And in some cases, the deadline has had to be extended
:14:18. > :14:21.million. And in some cases, the some seven years. And it's problems
:14:22. > :14:27.stinging criticism and cast an unwelcome spotlight on the work
:14:27. > :14:32.being done here. When an influential they blamed poor management for
:14:32. > :14:39.totally unacceptable delays and described the position as dire.
:14:40. > :14:44.I accept dealing with nuclear waste is a pretty unique problem and we
:14:44. > :14:46.want to make sure in this particular very difficult hugely important
:14:46. > :14:56.project that the people involved are tax—payers money to best value. So
:14:56. > :15:05.how does Nuclear Management Partners answer that? We're on track to meet
:15:05. > :15:10.the min performance standards, we're £1—billion of savings we've achieved
:15:10. > :15:13.the best safety record Sellafield as records have started it is my belief
:15:13. > :15:18.we are on track, and we've earned the right for next five years. But
:15:18. > :15:20.one project was £600 million over. That cannot be put down to we didn't
:15:20. > :15:26.know what we were dealing with. That cannot be put down to we didn't
:15:26. > :15:31.complicated nature of what you were doing? The increase in cost was
:15:31. > :15:34.really where we took n very early estimate and understood the nature
:15:34. > :15:41.of the project we built in a large contingency, like in the Olympics.
:15:41. > :15:44.It does not feel like a good news story and we take the issue very
:15:44. > :15:47.seriously but this is about maturing and understanding the issues as
:15:47. > :15:50.seriously but this is about maturing have seen on site. There are a lot
:15:50. > :15:58.of unknowns we have to deal with. Yes, but the taxpayer will have
:15:58. > :15:59.of unknowns we have to deal with. taxpayer as well. We do things as
:15:59. > :16:03.effectively and efficiently as possible at Sellafield. Back on
:16:03. > :16:08.site, my tour continues. How big is this project? It's a massive project
:16:08. > :16:12.for the site. The site itself is six—square kilometres in total size.
:16:12. > :16:16.It's one of the most congested industrial facilities in the world.
:16:16. > :16:19.Chris is leading a team who are dismantling a building, just like an
:16:19. > :16:23.old grain storage silo. But it's full of nuclear waste. And it's
:16:23. > :16:26.old grain storage silo. But it's working site trying to do all this?
:16:26. > :16:29.It's a working site. It's like a small town and there are possibly
:16:29. > :16:34.10,000 people who work on a daily basis. 38 kilometres of roads even.
:16:34. > :16:36.It's a huge challenge in a very tight space. You are having to put a
:16:36. > :16:51.building within a building. You tight space. You are having to put a
:16:51. > :16:54.effectively? We do, yes. We take the waste out, we have to make sure
:16:54. > :16:55.effectively? We do, yes. We take the contained to protect the operators
:16:55. > :16:59.and the environment and that is contained to protect the operators
:16:59. > :17:02.decommissioning it often involves construction activities, treatment
:17:02. > :17:05.plants, which ultimately have to be decommissioned. Here they're testing
:17:05. > :17:07.the robots that will play a part in removing the most hazardous waste.
:17:08. > :17:11.On this particular silo, because it's dry we are actually using an
:17:11. > :17:15.arrangement where we cut a hole literally in the side of the silos
:17:15. > :17:19.and using remote machines to grab containers that are shielded from
:17:19. > :17:25.the radioactivity and then grouted and stored. At the end of this month
:17:25. > :17:29.Authority has to decide whether and stored. At the end of this month
:17:29. > :17:30.let Sellafield Ltd continue for another five years or find someone
:17:30. > :17:41.else. The contract negotiations another five years or find someone
:17:41. > :17:44.now at a critical phase — not helped by a recent expenses scandal. NMP
:17:44. > :17:48.executives claimed thousands of pounds for dinners abroad, golf
:17:48. > :17:53.trips and in one case a £715 taxi ride for an unnamed manager and
:17:53. > :18:01.trips and in one case a £715 taxi The money has now been repaid. This
:18:01. > :18:04.committee's grilling of the team in charge raised serious questions
:18:04. > :18:19.about the 11 million pound salary bill for just 16 executives. I did
:18:19. > :18:28.it on 11 averages at 690,000 per secretary in there. It sounds like a
:18:28. > :18:33.lot of money at the top. The 11 salaries that get paid it refers,
:18:33. > :18:35.but to the overall package of having people here in West Cumbria and
:18:35. > :18:38.working at Sellafield so we are people here in West Cumbria and
:18:38. > :18:42.paying those level of salaries the salaries we pay reflect the industry
:18:42. > :18:44.norms. And it's the top man at the government watchdog, the Nuclear
:18:44. > :18:54.Decommissioning Authority, who will decide if the current operators
:18:54. > :18:57.Decommissioning Authority, who will million so far. Did they deserve
:18:57. > :18:59.that fee for the job they did? Yes, the fee they have been paid is
:18:59. > :19:07.contract we have with them. The the fee they have been paid is
:19:07. > :19:10.the fee was down last year compared to the year before reflects the
:19:10. > :19:12.the fee was down last year compared that performance was down — so I
:19:13. > :19:16.think we can demonstrate that fee is linked to performance. So it is
:19:16. > :19:18.think we can demonstrate that fee is a reward for failure then? I do
:19:18. > :19:21.think we can demonstrate that fee is believe so. They have done the job
:19:21. > :19:27.they have done and they do not get rewarded if they do not do it.
:19:27. > :19:31.There has also been criticism of the NDA, for whether the oversight has
:19:31. > :19:36.been good enough, do you think there organisation about this? I would not
:19:36. > :19:40.suggest we've been perfect but I think we have been doing all we
:19:40. > :19:42.suggest we've been perfect but I to make sure we can have the right
:19:42. > :19:44.level of oversight, but where we've identified issues that have been
:19:44. > :19:47.unsatisfactory we've taken very strong firm appropriate action,
:19:47. > :19:49.unsatisfactory we've taken very we stand ready to do that as we
:19:49. > :19:52.unsatisfactory we've taken very forward. We have seen how complex
:19:52. > :19:54.and expensive the clean—up is. But it cannot be avoided. Britain needs
:19:54. > :20:01.to sort out its nuclear legacy. it cannot be avoided. Britain needs
:20:01. > :20:04.will now in a few weeks whether it cannot be avoided. Britain needs
:20:04. > :20:10.people who have embarked on it will be entrusted to finish the job.
:20:10. > :20:19.During World War II, Liverpool came under extensive air raid attacks,
:20:19. > :20:21.beautiful house lost most of its glass when a bomb landed a short
:20:21. > :20:25.away. Simon O'Brien has been to glass when a bomb landed a short
:20:25. > :20:28.a remarkable collection of photos of bomb damaged suburbia — discovered
:20:28. > :20:36.hidden away in the city's police headquarters. My street in Liverpool
:20:36. > :20:40.is made up largely of old Victorian and Georgian houses and every now
:20:40. > :20:43.and again as I stroll up it, I come across gaps where there are much
:20:43. > :20:46.newer places and I've often wondered archive has just been uncovered
:20:46. > :20:58.Many of us remember the days of archive has just been uncovered
:20:58. > :20:59.and 1941 when the Luftwaffe nightly visited our cities and towns leaving
:20:59. > :21:04.Liverpool heard the fearful air visited our cities and towns leaving
:21:04. > :21:12.sirens over 500 times with bombs dropped on the city on no less than
:21:12. > :21:17.79 occasions. But we wouldn't have known much more about the impact
:21:17. > :21:30.Liverpool if Merseyside Police hadn't made a remarkable discovery,
:21:30. > :21:39.labelled "Blitz". There are 161 photographs in total. Kate McNichol
:21:39. > :21:41.negatives brought into the modern world by their forensic science
:21:41. > :21:57.It's pure chance that they came light. The chief constable was maybe
:21:57. > :22:00.rather far sighted and saying, actually we need to keep an accurate
:22:00. > :22:08.record of what's happening. I mean you'll get ones like this which
:22:08. > :22:11.said, there you go: Air raid damage, the chief constable. Didn't they
:22:11. > :22:15.also record where the bomb was struck? They did. It was up to the
:22:15. > :22:19.air raid wardens as far as I know. They would then report in and the
:22:19. > :22:22.positions of the bombs would be plotted. And then they could then
:22:22. > :22:31.take action against the ones that had failed to explode. Yes, it's
:22:31. > :22:32.almost easier to imagine the docks and factories getting attacked as
:22:32. > :22:36.they are strategic targets. But and factories getting attacked as
:22:36. > :22:46.photos that really hit me are the ones of suburbia. The damage was not
:22:46. > :22:50.commercial buildings. You get things saying that there was destruction of
:22:50. > :22:51.4,400 homes, serious damage to a further 16,500 and slight damage to
:22:51. > :23:08.a further 45,500. For the first further 16,500 and slight damage to
:23:08. > :23:12.in a great war, there was no front line and the battle was waged on our
:23:12. > :23:16.own doorsteps. The Luftwaffe did its Firefighters battled relentlessly
:23:16. > :23:19.through the night to extinguish hundreds of fires around the city
:23:20. > :23:32.before the next fearful wave of attack. Although the German bombers
:23:32. > :23:35.caused huge civilian casualties across the city and destroyed many
:23:35. > :23:36.homes, actually they missed quite a few key targets so Liverpool was
:23:37. > :23:46.they had hit here, things could few key targets so Liverpool was
:23:46. > :23:49.been much worse. I think it's a reflection of the ability of the
:23:49. > :23:53.aeroplanes and the crews in those days to be precise with their attack
:23:53. > :24:00.and to be precise where the bombs landed was not anything like the
:24:00. > :24:13.well, let's see what we can manage. That said, it was still desperately
:24:13. > :24:16.Ullapool was blown into a million pieces here, in the River Mersey. It
:24:16. > :24:19.still has an impact on shipping today. So ships will not anchor
:24:19. > :24:24.still has an impact on shipping here because of what happened in the
:24:24. > :24:27.wasn't a big ship, but the pieces are dangerous, if you drop your
:24:27. > :24:32.anchor here, obviously it goes into the mud and sand and so on. It could
:24:32. > :24:40.come back with munitions that are not exploded. I'm a massive fan
:24:40. > :24:42.come back with munitions that are Look at that lovely building there
:24:42. > :24:45.behind me and yet here in Derby Square in the heart of the city
:24:45. > :24:49.where sits the gorgeous Victoria Monument, there is a distinct lack
:24:49. > :24:53.of it. Look over here. What's that? '50s? Nothing to write home about.
:24:53. > :24:56.And then on the other side of the square you've got the law courts
:24:56. > :25:05.themselves. How ugly does a building have to be? And finally running
:25:05. > :25:11.you've got this '70s carbuncle. Merseyside Police negatives give a
:25:11. > :25:18.new insight into the gaps left by Luftwaffe air raids. There's the
:25:18. > :25:23.same mix of old and new build where my Dad grew up in Toxteth as in
:25:23. > :25:27.Woolton. The first one came down, just over the houses there into
:25:27. > :25:29.Woolton. The first one came down, Street and that was the closest
:25:29. > :25:31.Woolton. The first one came down, to us. The second one, this is Fox
:25:31. > :25:35.Hill Street and the second one was just 30 yards down there. Then a
:25:35. > :25:43.third one, Kelvin Grove and the fourth one hit the edge of Princes
:25:43. > :25:46.Park. And where are you at this point, are you in the air raid
:25:46. > :25:50.shelter? We're in the air raid shelter But you can hear, could
:25:50. > :25:52.shelter? We're in the air raid tell how close they are? Oh yes
:25:52. > :25:55.very, when that one came down it was quite a screaming sound, whistling,
:25:55. > :26:00.screaming sound as the bomb came down and a really loud explosion and
:26:00. > :26:04.it was a sort of a whack and you felt the blast hit your ears like
:26:04. > :26:07.that. Were you terrified? No, not at all, I wasn't frightened at all
:26:07. > :26:09.that. Were you terrified? No, not at an eight year old child, it was
:26:09. > :26:12.that. Were you terrified? No, not at bit of an adventure actually. During
:26:12. > :26:17.shrapnel was coming down, shrapnel from bombs and this was all over the
:26:17. > :26:26.shrapnel. Our anti—aircraft Gunners went into action. In the chaos of
:26:26. > :26:28.war as the bombers just wanted to unload their payload as close to the
:26:28. > :26:31.targets as possible and get out unload their payload as close to the
:26:31. > :26:33.here, no building was safe from unload their payload as close to the
:26:33. > :26:37.bombing and that included churches. St Luke's here in Liverpool city
:26:37. > :26:41.centre looks like it had a lucky deceptive. The building was hit
:26:41. > :26:47.centre looks like it had a lucky an incendiary device on the evening
:26:47. > :26:53.around about midnight, 1941. We interviewed a lady some years ago
:26:53. > :26:56.sheltering in her cellars just behind the church on Roscoe street
:26:56. > :27:00.and about half past three, four o'clock in the morning they heard
:27:00. > :27:02.the bells fall from the tower and to quote her she said "We knew then our
:27:02. > :27:07.church was gone". And that must quote her she said "We knew then our
:27:07. > :27:14.have been awful. But it wasn't quite gone? Not quite gone. It's the
:27:14. > :27:20.Liverpool who lost their lives during the blitz. St Luke's was
:27:20. > :27:23.Liverpool who lost their lives the only church hit but is in my
:27:23. > :27:24.reminder with its one remaining piece of stained glass and open
:27:24. > :27:43.Looking at these photographs we understand more about the changes in
:27:43. > :27:46.recorded as moments in history due to the foresight of people working
:27:46. > :27:54.at Merseyside Police during World War II. For somebody who didn't
:27:54. > :27:56.at Merseyside Police during World through that era, I think it is
:27:56. > :28:01.almost impossible to imagine what it must have been like. Perhaps in
:28:01. > :28:23.almost impossible to imagine what it small way, these photographs help to
:28:23. > :28:28.bring it back to life. Remarkable photos. That is it for this week.
:28:28. > :28:36.Don't forget you can watch it again on the BBC iPlayer. Goodbye full up
:28:36. > :28:43.—— goodbye. Next week, Wilfred Owen and his life in Birkenhead. It hotly