:00:00. > :00:07.Hello and welcome to Inside Out North West,
:00:08. > :00:20.We investigate why some councils in our region have approved licences
:00:21. > :00:21.for taxi drivers with previous convictions, some
:00:22. > :00:25.Would I put my children in that vehicle with that
:00:26. > :00:31.If the answer to that is no then they are not fit and proper
:00:32. > :00:35.As more and more of us meet our partners online,
:00:36. > :00:38.It's expected that people online date.
:00:39. > :00:45.It seems more unusual for people not to online date these days, I think.
:00:46. > :00:48.And we delve beneath the streets of Liverpool to explore the mystery
:00:49. > :00:57.It is not knowing what you're going to find next, it's a mystery.
:00:58. > :01:01.There is so little known about Williamson's underground world,
:01:02. > :01:11.because he didn't tell anybody about it.
:01:12. > :01:14.It is more than 20 years since Salford University student
:01:15. > :01:18.Rachel Thacker was murdered by a bogus taxi driver.
:01:19. > :01:24.Since then the number of taxis and private hire cars
:01:25. > :01:30.in the region has grown, so do we know who is
:01:31. > :01:32.driving them and if they've been vetted thoroughly?
:01:33. > :01:38.Taxis and private hire cars are everywhere.
:01:39. > :01:41.There is a huge choice for revellers but how safe is it to get in these
:01:42. > :01:51.Does it matter that you are not booked or is that all right?
:01:52. > :01:54.It is illegal for private hire vehicles to tout the business.
:01:55. > :01:56.Drivers are not insured and there will be no
:01:57. > :02:00.We secretly filmed in Manchester City centre to find out
:02:01. > :02:13.Is it all right for us to get in if we're not booked?
:02:14. > :02:16.We found five drivers over a two hour period were willing to break
:02:17. > :02:20.the law and offer an unbooked lift home to two members of our team
:02:21. > :02:27.It is over 20 years since Salford University student
:02:28. > :02:31.Rachel Thacker was murdered by a bogus taxi driver.
:02:32. > :02:34.Police are appealing for information after an alleged rape in the city
:02:35. > :02:37.centre by a man who claimed to be a taxi driver.
:02:38. > :02:39.Two reports of rapes within 24 hours.
:02:40. > :02:43.The first involved a woman who got into a car purporting to be a taxi.
:02:44. > :02:47.But the man behind the wheel wasn't a taxi driver.
:02:48. > :02:49.As these headlines show, attacks on passengers have not
:02:50. > :02:57.It was her last night out in Manchester before she came home
:02:58. > :03:10.And she came out with two friends, male friends, and unfortunately
:03:11. > :03:15.she had had too much to drink and got into this car and asked
:03:16. > :03:19.to go back to Salford and he drove off with the door open before
:03:20. > :03:22.the boys had got a chance to tell her to get out.
:03:23. > :03:33.It did, in the most horrendous circumstances.
:03:34. > :03:43.So that's what you get for getting into an unlicensed car,
:03:44. > :03:48.And there are now concerns it has become easier
:03:49. > :03:52.for possible predators to become drivers, anywhere.
:03:53. > :03:54.So right now we are going through a very busy,
:03:55. > :04:01.bohemian part of Manchester, the Northern Quarter.
:04:02. > :04:10.It is also a hotbed for touting and illegal private hire activities.
:04:11. > :04:13.This is where round about 2am it is literally a free for all.
:04:14. > :04:16.It is literally like the Wild West then.
:04:17. > :04:19.Bob Azam has been a black-cab driver for 15 years.
:04:20. > :04:26.He is concerned about cars that haven't been licensed in the city.
:04:27. > :04:35.There's such an influx of out-of-town taxis or private
:04:36. > :04:40.hires coming in because of companies like Uber and private hire
:04:41. > :04:44.operators who allow out-of-town drivers to work on their system,
:04:45. > :04:47.and they have literally flooded the city with their cars.
:04:48. > :04:50.You see the word taxi and you think, that's an illegal
:04:51. > :05:01.Bob thinks this could be potentially dangerous the passengers.
:05:02. > :05:05.It is in my view just a matter of time, it is a ticking time bomb,
:05:06. > :05:07.that somebody soon is going to get seriously hurt or
:05:08. > :05:16.It was the 2015 Deregulation Act that made it simpler for drivers
:05:17. > :05:19.to obtain a licence in one town but to work in another,
:05:20. > :05:28.where licensing rules might be stricter.
:05:29. > :05:30.MP Andrew Gwynne called for an urgent debate
:05:31. > :05:36.We now have a problem in the North West where one
:05:37. > :05:39.particular local authority is handing out hackney taxi
:05:40. > :05:47.The problem we have got is that once you have a hackney licence you can
:05:48. > :05:50.operate as a private hire vehicle anywhere in the country,
:05:51. > :05:53.so there are now taxis from this local authority operating as far
:05:54. > :05:57.afield as Bristol without appropriate checks and balances.
:05:58. > :06:19.Andrew discovered the issue when a young woman reported
:06:20. > :06:21.a private hire car licence taxi illegally touting
:06:22. > :06:24.The taxi driver, it was alleged, had been inappropriate
:06:25. > :06:27.in their behaviour to the passenger and that was when it was alerted
:06:28. > :06:30.to Thameside that this person had actually been turned down for a taxi
:06:31. > :06:33.licence by the local council but had subsequently been granted a taxi
:06:34. > :06:35.licence by another local authority in the North West.
:06:36. > :06:38.What shouldn't be allowed to happen is that people who have been refused
:06:39. > :06:41.for legitimate grounds can scurry off to a neighbouring local
:06:42. > :06:43.authority where they have lesser standards and successfully apply
:06:44. > :06:46.for a licence that they have no intention of using in that local
:06:47. > :06:48.area but using in the area they have been refused.
:06:49. > :06:52.Rossendale has the highest total number of drivers across England,
:06:53. > :06:54.with one driver for every 28 people in the borough.
:06:55. > :06:57.According to the official statistics there was a rise of over
:06:58. > :07:05.A Freedom of Information request to the council says they now have
:07:06. > :07:21.In a statement, Rossendale Council said...
:07:22. > :07:23.The council says it has now introduced new policies which mean
:07:24. > :07:27.taxis will have to predominantly work in Rossendale.
:07:28. > :07:37.They expect a decline in the number of applications.
:07:38. > :07:39.People responsible for licensing drivers,
:07:40. > :07:43.if there are concerns about the driver the council only
:07:44. > :07:46.has the powers to deal with licensed drivers from their own area.
:07:47. > :07:48.There is no national information sharing network so if we refused
:07:49. > :07:51.a licence to an individual here who then went to Birmingham
:07:52. > :07:54.to apply for a licence, unless Birmingham picked the phone
:07:55. > :07:57.up and knew he had been a driver with us previously then
:07:58. > :07:59.it is unlikely they would make that check with us.
:08:00. > :08:01.He says that the current legislation needs updating.
:08:02. > :08:09.The legislation says we can't grant a licence to somebody
:08:10. > :08:12.unless we are satisfied that they are a fit and proper person
:08:13. > :08:14.but it doesn't then tell us how we define that.
:08:15. > :08:16.So how can someone with a serious criminal conviction
:08:17. > :08:20.We found out that across the region one in five drivers applying
:08:21. > :08:23.to the disclosure and barring service had previous convictions.
:08:24. > :08:30.Nevertheless, through a Freedom of Information request,
:08:31. > :08:33.we found out that six councils in the North West had approved
:08:34. > :08:36.These were Blackpool, Burnley, Cheshire East, Eden,
:08:37. > :08:41.The offences ranged from indecent exposure and indecent assault
:08:42. > :08:44.to sexual-offence charges, including one driver
:08:45. > :08:50.We asked all of these councils how the drivers had passed the fit
:08:51. > :09:23.The key question we ask them to ask theirselves is,
:09:24. > :09:30.would I put my children in that vehicle with that individual
:09:31. > :09:32.unaccompanied and let them drive the children from A to B
:09:33. > :09:37.If the answer to that is, no, I wouldn't, then they are not fit
:09:38. > :09:43.and proper and shouldn't have a licence.
:09:44. > :09:48.So, how easy is it for a potential predator to pretend to be a driver?
:09:49. > :09:50.Now I have discovered you can buy Uber car stickers
:09:51. > :09:54.from ?40 to as little as ?10, which is confusing to the passenger.
:09:55. > :10:00.The traffic is really starting to build up now.
:10:01. > :10:02.Licensed drivers like Bob are now using instant-messaging groups
:10:03. > :10:09.as alerts if they spot so-called pirate drivers.
:10:10. > :10:12.We have just had a notification come through from one of the drivers
:10:13. > :10:14.that there is a Vauxhall Vectra estate working in the city
:10:15. > :10:17.centre in town with no plates and no stickers,
:10:18. > :10:21.Members of the public are being put at risk on a daily basis,
:10:22. > :10:29.There are calls for a national database of licensed drivers
:10:30. > :10:34.to increase information sharing between local councils and to
:10:35. > :10:36.ensure that loopholes in the legislation are tightened up.
:10:37. > :10:39.I urge the government to take the bull by the horns and make sure
:10:40. > :10:47.we have a taxi licensing regime fit for the 21st century.
:10:48. > :10:50.It seems not enough has improved since Rachel Thacker was murdered
:10:51. > :10:52.by a bogus taxi driver over 20 years ago.
:10:53. > :10:54.For her mother, Gill, it is important to keep Rachel's
:10:55. > :10:57.memory alive and warn others of the dangers of
:10:58. > :11:08.We still hear stories, don't we, of nights out that end in tragedy?
:11:09. > :11:11.How is it for you when you wake up to news like that?
:11:12. > :11:16.It just brings it all back again and you think that somebody else
:11:17. > :11:19.is going through the same things that you are going through and their
:11:20. > :11:29.What is the message that you would like grandparents
:11:30. > :11:31.and parents watching this to remind their kids about?
:11:32. > :11:42.Try and make sure that they are aware that they need
:11:43. > :11:45.to arrange their transport home, not get into unlicensed cabs, else
:11:46. > :12:03.30 years ago most people would meet a future partner through work
:12:04. > :12:05.or through friends or maybe down the local pub.
:12:06. > :12:08.Today one in four people meet somebody new through online dating.
:12:09. > :12:18.We investigate dating in the digital age.
:12:19. > :12:22.Swipe left and the love of your life could be on the next screen,
:12:23. > :12:26.But is the use of online dating apps leading
:12:27. > :12:33.Is there something about the ease and disposable nature of encounters
:12:34. > :12:35.online that means people should be more wary
:12:36. > :12:46.The dating world has completely changed over the last few years.
:12:47. > :12:48.Wwhenever anything gets popular the criminals
:12:49. > :12:56.Police have attributed 500 crimes to two of the biggest social media
:12:57. > :13:02.162 of those were sexual in nature and alarmingly 58 of the offences
:13:03. > :13:09.But can we lay the blame on the apps themselves?
:13:10. > :13:12.The internet has made the world go faster and usage of dating apps
:13:13. > :13:19.It's generally quite an accepted way of meeting people.
:13:20. > :13:23.People are a lot more laid-back about it now.
:13:24. > :13:26.It seems less weird now that people are so active on the internet.
:13:27. > :13:29.It is kind of expected that people will online date.
:13:30. > :13:33.It seems more unusual for people not to online date these days.
:13:34. > :13:37.When I became single there were lots of things happening
:13:38. > :13:44.on dates that I thought other people were going through.
:13:45. > :13:47.This is Vix Meldrew, a dating expert and online blogger.
:13:48. > :13:49.She thinks that connecting online is not very different
:13:50. > :13:53.The digital age we are in is all about that fast
:13:54. > :13:56.consumption of things, so whether it is online shopping
:13:57. > :14:01.or any of those things, if you want something you get it
:14:02. > :14:03.quickly and if you don't want something you can send it
:14:04. > :14:06.It is all about that instant gratification.
:14:07. > :14:08.But I don't think it is that different from dating,
:14:09. > :14:13.If you meet somebody and you have that connection,
:14:14. > :14:15.you will want to go out with them whether you met them
:14:16. > :14:23.Some dating apps have become synonymous with hook-ups,
:14:24. > :14:25.which is expressly meeting people online solely for sex.
:14:26. > :14:28.But do you think that dating apps almost encourage people to meet up
:14:29. > :14:31.because they want to hook up rather than because they want
:14:32. > :14:38.How do people manage that expectation?
:14:39. > :14:45.I don't think that people have wanted more hook-ups
:14:46. > :14:49.since online dating, I think if people wanted to hook
:14:50. > :14:52.up, you would want it whether you were online dating or not.
:14:53. > :15:01.The danger with some internet dating apps and some people who do
:15:02. > :15:03.it is that they wouldn't present themselves in that way
:15:04. > :15:07.They present themselves as wanting relationships or wanting to go
:15:08. > :15:09.on dates and take things further because they think that that
:15:10. > :15:12.would make them more successful, and that is where trouble
:15:13. > :15:15.Stranger rape is statistically very low but last year's
:15:16. > :15:17.National Crime Agency figures brought up an interesting
:15:18. > :15:20.Only 16% of the people convicted of stranger rape have no
:15:21. > :15:27.For those suspected of stranger rape where the initial contact
:15:28. > :15:32.It would appear that something about dating online is causing
:15:33. > :15:37.people with no criminal record to commit sexual offences.
:15:38. > :15:39.We spoke to one woman who was attacked by a man
:15:40. > :15:49.she met online who had no previous convictions.
:15:50. > :15:51.When I first started online dating my friends were all on it.
:15:52. > :15:54.I had been single for quite a long time.
:15:55. > :15:56.I went on to see what the big deal was.
:15:57. > :15:59.I had been speaking to people for a couple of months.
:16:00. > :16:01.I went on a couple of dates, always met them in public,
:16:02. > :16:04.had a meal or a drink and stayed local to my area.
:16:05. > :16:06.This one individual I started talking to,
:16:07. > :16:13.we had been speaking for about two months and he invited himself
:16:14. > :16:15.round, offered to bring a bottle of wine
:16:16. > :16:21.My friend lives next door, and having her so close,
:16:22. > :16:25.if there were any problems I knew I could just bang on the wall.
:16:26. > :16:27.So this one time I let him come round to my house.
:16:28. > :16:30.I had built up confidence meeting people online in the past.
:16:31. > :16:36.He sat next to me, he pulled me, tried to kiss me.
:16:37. > :16:42.He had a front about him, it were like talking to a brick wall.
:16:43. > :16:45.He came round knowing what he wanted to do.
:16:46. > :16:50.After it happened as he was walking out the door he said he would be
:16:51. > :16:52.back the same time next week to do it again.
:16:53. > :16:55.The man, Scott Lazenby, was arrested and sentenced
:16:56. > :17:04.Increased expectation may be part of the reason for the rise
:17:05. > :17:10.in the statistics but it is not the full story.
:17:11. > :17:24.The most popular dating app for the gay community is Grindr
:17:25. > :17:27.and at the LGBT Foundation Jessica White thinks there's a much simpler
:17:28. > :17:31.One thing that is particularly true for the LGBT community is that a lot
:17:32. > :17:33.of people are more comfortable now going to the police
:17:34. > :17:37.if they are the victim of a crime, attacked by somebody they have met
:17:38. > :17:41.If you go back even ten years ago, using these apps was quite taboo
:17:42. > :17:44.and also a lot of LGBT people maybe didn't have the best
:17:45. > :17:46.relationship with the police, so people wouldn't have come forward
:17:47. > :17:49.to report that they were a victim of a crime.
:17:50. > :17:51.Things have changed a lot in society, people
:17:52. > :17:54.going forward to report and to access support.
:17:55. > :17:58.Whatever the cause of the rise, the crimes are real and one sexual
:17:59. > :18:04.So are the dating apps themselves doing anything to promote safety?
:18:05. > :18:09.All of the main players have safety information on their websites
:18:10. > :18:12.but as the majority of users access the service on their phones they may
:18:13. > :18:22.We asked two of the biggest dating sites, Tinder and Grindr,
:18:23. > :18:25.if they would consider putting safety adverts on their apps.
:18:26. > :18:48.Grinder came back to us and this is what they said.
:18:49. > :18:55.We also contacted Tinder and they declined to comment.
:18:56. > :18:59.When discussing rape prevention, the onus is usually put
:19:00. > :19:04.onto the victim to stay safe, meet in public and take precautions.
:19:05. > :19:10.But ultimately it's about educating everybody about sexual consent
:19:11. > :19:13.and making sure nobody gets into a situation which could lead
:19:14. > :19:20.I certainly think that the incidence of people who have met people
:19:21. > :19:24.online is so much higher than what we actually know and...
:19:25. > :19:28.Duncan Craig is from the charity Survivors.
:19:29. > :19:30.He meets people affected by sexual violence and helps
:19:31. > :19:42.I think we still need to recognise that not everybody is comfortable.
:19:43. > :19:45.I think there is a population that is comfortable but specifically
:19:46. > :19:47.I'm thinking about older people, older people who may
:19:48. > :19:50.have been in a marriage and are having a second love life,
:19:51. > :19:57.if they are meeting people online, they are kind of not
:19:58. > :20:04.used to those online worlds and when something happens to them,
:20:05. > :20:06.in my experience, and again we are talking about colleagues
:20:07. > :20:12.in other organisations, when it is older people
:20:13. > :20:15.there is so much shame and we know that shame creates silence.
:20:16. > :20:18.We need to do more education with young people but also public
:20:19. > :20:20.information campaigns to talk about consent and make sure that
:20:21. > :20:23.everybody knows that consent is not a fixed-term thing,
:20:24. > :20:26.it is a process, and that at any point somebody can say no,
:20:27. > :20:36.It is important to get some perspective.
:20:37. > :20:42.Stranger rape is still incredibly rare and only
:20:43. > :20:45.accounts for a very small fraction of all of the rapes reported
:20:46. > :20:51.to Greater Manchester Police every single year.
:20:52. > :20:54.In fact Tinder and Grindr could only be linked to ten rapes
:20:55. > :21:00.in Greater Manchester out of nearly 2000.
:21:01. > :21:02.Dating apps are not the cause of sexual violence
:21:03. > :21:06.now using online dating the issue of consent is now as important
:21:07. > :21:10.Liverpool has one of the most recognisable skylines in the world.
:21:11. > :21:13.People come from all over to visit the city's World
:21:14. > :21:16.But it is just as dramatic underground, with a series
:21:17. > :21:23.of previously hidden tunnels being uncovered by local history
:21:24. > :21:27.Edgehill, an area steeped in history.
:21:28. > :21:30.It is from here that the first passenger train service ran
:21:31. > :21:42.But it is also home to one of the North West's biggest
:21:43. > :21:44.mysteries, because under the ground, littering this whole
:21:45. > :21:46.area, there are a series of tunnels and chambers.
:21:47. > :21:48.Nobody knows how many there are, where they go
:21:49. > :21:53.What we do know is the tunnels were commissioned by Joseph Williamson,
:21:54. > :21:56.a tobacco merchant and property developer who lived in Edgehill 200
:21:57. > :21:59.years ago, when much of the area was sandstone quarry.
:22:00. > :22:01.Williamson built arches on top of the quarries to create
:22:02. > :22:05.The facade of his house can still be seen today.
:22:06. > :22:08.Stephen, this is all that remains of what I am guessing would have
:22:09. > :22:12.What else would we have seen on this street at the time?
:22:13. > :22:16.It would have been quite a picturesque little meandering road.
:22:17. > :22:22.Long Broom Field it was called when he bought it.
:22:23. > :22:24.And there were also other houses, which are long gone,
:22:25. > :22:32.OK, so he was creating kind of his own Eden overground and yet
:22:33. > :22:34.spending so much time and endeavour underground.
:22:35. > :22:42.He was following the tradition of other people who tunnelled.
:22:43. > :22:46.We know that even back in classical times people tunnelled, you know,
:22:47. > :22:54.the Emperor Hadrian, the catacombs in Rome.
:22:55. > :22:57.You can go through all sorts of things, it's a classical
:22:58. > :23:00.He was really showing himself as being aware of the cultural,
:23:01. > :23:03.our cultural history, and bringing it here to Edgehill.
:23:04. > :23:06.It was as simple as that, really, and he had the money to do it.
:23:07. > :23:09.The existence of the tunnels has been known since Williamson's time
:23:10. > :23:12.but what we don't know is how many there are, because lots of them
:23:13. > :23:20.For the past 20 years the Friends of Williamson's Tunnels have been
:23:21. > :23:30.giving up their weekends to pull out the debris and rediscover
:23:31. > :23:51.I am absolutely staggered at how primitive this is.
:23:52. > :23:54.Are you telling me that everything that has been dug out of these
:23:55. > :23:57.We have been doing this for years, yeah.
:23:58. > :24:00.It turns out that this is the most straightforward way of doing things.
:24:01. > :24:02.Just plain ordinary picks, shovels and plastic buckets, up
:24:03. > :24:07.on the rope here and into the skip, and we have been doing this
:24:08. > :24:10.at our other site for four years and digging 60 feet down
:24:11. > :24:15.What motivates you on a Sunday morning to come and stand
:24:16. > :24:18.That is quite easy, really, we are all mad.
:24:19. > :24:22.We are every bit as mad as the man who was responsible for digging
:24:23. > :24:27.We don't understand what he was about so I don't expect
:24:28. > :24:29.you to understand what we get out of it.
:24:30. > :24:33.It is not knowing what you are going to find next, it is the mystery.
:24:34. > :24:39.There is so little known about Williamson's underground world
:24:40. > :24:42.because he didn't tell anybody about it, he didn't leave plans,
:24:43. > :24:47.It was just him and the men who worked for him and we don't know
:24:48. > :24:52.As I'm down here, shall I give one of the lads a break?
:24:53. > :24:57.Honestly, there are different ways to spend Sunday mornings, you know!
:24:58. > :25:02.Twice a week we are down here, Wednesdays and Sundays.
:25:03. > :25:04.Is this the grandest of the structures you've
:25:05. > :25:18.It is a bit special because of the quality of the workmanship but, no,
:25:19. > :25:22.We have something rather more special round the corner,
:25:23. > :25:25.on a very much larger scale, and we are going
:25:26. > :25:28.Yeah, we are, because I've had enough digging.
:25:29. > :25:43.What you just walked through is called the gash.
:25:44. > :25:48.And visitors are usually pretty impressed when they step
:25:49. > :25:54.The workmanship in the brickwork, look at that one there.
:25:55. > :25:58.It's lovely workmanship but totally unnecessary,
:25:59. > :26:05.Yeah, because he is an enigma, isn't he?
:26:06. > :26:31.There might have been a good basis for how he started this
:26:32. > :26:33.arch and tunnel building, to provide nice gardens in front
:26:34. > :26:38.I think what has happened is he has had more and more men hearing
:26:39. > :26:40.about him and coming to see him, Mr Williamson, will
:26:41. > :26:45.He wasn't a soft touch, he would never give hand-outs
:26:46. > :26:48.to people who were starving, he would give them a day's
:26:49. > :26:51.And these people were learning some fantastic crafts,
:26:52. > :26:53.everything from quarrying to building houses to building these
:26:54. > :26:58.Who knows, they probably went on to work on the docks and the dock
:26:59. > :27:08.buildings and the railways, it was all happening at that time,
:27:09. > :27:15.Yes, if you kind of look at that arch there and
:27:16. > :27:18.the brickwork in here, it evokes the Albert Dock almost.
:27:19. > :27:23.You can imagine the people, having been trained here
:27:24. > :27:27.We like to think that a lot of the men who started off
:27:28. > :27:29.with Williamson and learned their trades with him did
:27:30. > :27:32.go on to build these structures all over the city.
:27:33. > :27:35.All that rationalises what is still an incredibly
:27:36. > :27:42.Oh, yes, it doesn't get any more eccentric than this.
:27:43. > :27:45.It took four years for this tunnel, the Paddington tunnel,
:27:46. > :27:47.to be completely emptied out, and they found plenty
:27:48. > :28:00.The volunteers believe there are still many more tunnels
:28:01. > :28:07.Who knows, one day they might get to the bottom of why these enigmatic
:28:08. > :28:36.If you have been affected by issues in this programme,
:28:37. > :28:40.details of organisations offering support and information
:28:41. > :28:43.with sexual abuse are available at the website above.
:28:44. > :28:46.Or you can call for free at any time to hear recorded
:28:47. > :29:12.Hello, I'm Sima Kotecha with your 90 second update.
:29:13. > :29:13.Patients in England face longer waits
:29:14. > :29:15.for operations such as knee and hip replacements.
:29:16. > :29:17.The boss of NHS England says it's the "trade-off"
:29:18. > :29:20.for improved care in other areas, such as cancer.
:29:21. > :29:23.after Tracey Wilkinson and her 13-year-old son Pierce
:29:24. > :29:25.were stabbed to death at their home in Stourbridge.
:29:26. > :29:27.23-year-old Aaron Barley is also charged
:29:28. > :29:31.with seriously injuring the boy's father, Peter.