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0:00:00 > 0:00:04Hello, welcome to Inside Out. This week, I am in Manchester, which has

0:00:04 > 0:00:12one of but highest number of students in the country, but will

0:00:12 > 0:00:15the new fees put young people in the region of study in? More later.

0:00:15 > 0:00:23Tonight, Alf and Hall reveals the real cost of paying back the new

0:00:23 > 0:00:27tuition fees. �75,000. Just for one person?

0:00:27 > 0:00:32for one person. With so many different courses to

0:00:32 > 0:00:39choose from, are some university degrees a waste of money?

0:00:39 > 0:00:47When you turn up with your A-level in media studies and you have a PhD

0:00:47 > 0:00:51in the Beatles, do not expect an employer to give you a job. You

0:00:52 > 0:00:54have got to understand what you want to be.

0:00:54 > 0:01:02And, helpful people who have lost their twin.

0:01:02 > 0:01:06There is a sense that something is missing, that something is their --

0:01:06 > 0:01:16that something is not there that should be there. The closeness

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0:01:27 > 0:01:30A survey commissioned by Inside Out suggests 10% of A-level students

0:01:30 > 0:01:37have been put off university because of the increase in tuition

0:01:37 > 0:01:42fees. We interviewed more than 1000 sixth-formers, and almost half say

0:01:42 > 0:01:46they are beginning to look abroad for cheaper options. We have asked

0:01:46 > 0:01:56a financial Cymru to crunch the numbers and see it if there are

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0:02:14 > 0:02:17Movie that we've been led to Young, confused and afraid. This is

0:02:17 > 0:02:20what thousands of teenagers across England fear - a lifetime on the

0:02:20 > 0:02:23run. What's chasing them? Student debt. But is it really the horror

0:02:23 > 0:02:26movie that we've been led to believe? Whether you think next

0:02:26 > 0:02:29year's hike in fees is fair or not, it's happening, so young people

0:02:30 > 0:02:32need to know the facts. I'm going to show you what a degree will

0:02:33 > 0:02:35really cost, and how you can avoid those fees altogether. Next year,

0:02:36 > 0:02:39English universities will charge up to �9,000 a year. With living costs

0:02:39 > 0:02:42on top, graduates can face debts of around �50,000. But how much will

0:02:42 > 0:02:46they actually end up paying back? Well, I've come to meet some sixth

0:02:46 > 0:02:49formers in Birmingham to show them. I think the number's going to shock

0:02:49 > 0:02:52them. I think that earning interest over such a long time as you're

0:02:52 > 0:02:57paying back that loan really is a number that most people don't think

0:02:57 > 0:03:00about. Let's imagine that you graduate from university with

0:03:00 > 0:03:10�50,000 worth of debt and you get a high-paid job, like we expect Jacob

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0:03:11 > 0:03:18here will get. How much of that money do you have to pay back?

0:03:18 > 0:03:28not sure, but is it all of it? of it, and more, because what?

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0:03:33 > 0:03:38interest. Interest, oh, God is Is that just for one person? That's

0:03:38 > 0:03:41just for one person. That's horrible. That is really bad.

0:03:41 > 0:03:45that just for an average degree of three years? That's for an average

0:03:45 > 0:03:48degree of three years, if you take out the maximum loan. But what if,

0:03:48 > 0:03:58for some reason, their careers don't go as planned and they never

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0:04:01 > 0:04:04earn more than �21,000 a year? The So, what's going on? Basically, the

0:04:04 > 0:04:10repayment of the loan works like taxes - the more you earn, the more

0:04:10 > 0:04:16you pay back. If you never earn above a certain amount, you don't

0:04:16 > 0:04:22pay back a penny. The new Independent Taskforce on Student

0:04:22 > 0:04:25Finance is led by Martin Lewis. biggest confusion out there quite

0:04:25 > 0:04:30simply is that people confuse the price tag, these �9,000 fees, total

0:04:30 > 0:04:33of �50,000 fees at the end of university, with the actual cost.

0:04:33 > 0:04:39This is a very, very, very different type of system. Many

0:04:39 > 0:04:42people won't come close to repaying in full what they borrowed. Some

0:04:42 > 0:04:45won't pay anything at all. And the bewildering fact that we're putting

0:04:45 > 0:04:49people off paying for university because we're looking at the price

0:04:49 > 0:04:54tag, not the cost, is the biggest problem to me. But most graduates

0:04:54 > 0:04:58will face large debts. So, is there any way of avoiding the fees? Well,

0:04:58 > 0:05:06yes - you could study abroad. At the recent Student World Fair in

0:05:06 > 0:05:08London, teenagers discovered just how much they can save. I think

0:05:08 > 0:05:11everyone would rather go to a university where they're paying,

0:05:11 > 0:05:14like, �8,000 cheaper than, like, the UK, so yeah, especially because

0:05:14 > 0:05:17that's a year, as well. The fees are much cheaper. That's more

0:05:17 > 0:05:20attractive, so when you come out, it's not going to be in so much

0:05:20 > 0:05:23debt. In fact, dozens of universities across Europe offer

0:05:23 > 0:05:30courses taught in English. The fees differ from country to country, but

0:05:30 > 0:05:33in Scandinavia, tuition is free. Denmark, we have no tuition fee at

0:05:33 > 0:05:41all. Because the Danish government pays for Danish students, and

0:05:42 > 0:05:51according to EU rules, we have to Harriet Moore has already taken the

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0:05:53 > 0:05:57plunge. She's off back to uni in Slovakia. I am trying to save money

0:05:57 > 0:06:01on my flights. Over there, she saves a fortune on living costs,

0:06:01 > 0:06:04spending just �100 a month. I caught up with her via webcam. What

0:06:04 > 0:06:09would be the piece of advice that you would give to anyone

0:06:09 > 0:06:12considering doing what you have done? I think if you're even

0:06:12 > 0:06:16considering it, I think you should go for it. Definitely. It's worth

0:06:16 > 0:06:26doing. You just get on the plane. You have to be a bit brave on the

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0:06:33 > 0:06:42first plane journey over, but I've I want my money! So, studying

0:06:42 > 0:06:46overseas may be one way to outrun But there are downsides. If you

0:06:46 > 0:06:49study abroad, the Government here won't make you a loan. Only some of

0:06:49 > 0:06:56the courses are taught in English. And employers might not recognise

0:06:56 > 0:07:01foreign degrees. So you need to do your homework. Another way of

0:07:01 > 0:07:06beating the fees is to get someone else to pay. But who? Well,

0:07:06 > 0:07:09London's financial heartland is a good place to look. Don't be fooled

0:07:09 > 0:07:18by the power suits - believe it or not, these youngsters are all

0:07:18 > 0:07:21freshers. They're being sponsored by accountancy giant KPMG.

0:07:21 > 0:07:24entire package was a degree, a salary, the tuition fees were paid,

0:07:24 > 0:07:32and a job at the end, and you obviously were helped to become a

0:07:32 > 0:07:36qualified chartered accountant. you think there was a catch in it?

0:07:36 > 0:07:39It sounds too good to be true, doesn't it? You know, as with

0:07:39 > 0:07:46everything in life, you have to work hard, and if you want, that's

0:07:46 > 0:07:56the only catch, I guess. And the man who runs the programme tells me

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0:07:57 > 0:08:00KPMG don't offer the stereotypical They've got to work for us, they've

0:08:00 > 0:08:02got to study for their degree and they've also got to obtain their

0:08:02 > 0:08:06chartered-accountant qualification in six years. That will require

0:08:06 > 0:08:09hard work, and that's all we really ask of the students who are joining

0:08:09 > 0:08:19us. And then there are bursaries. Students from low-income families

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0:08:19 > 0:08:29can get money from various sources, But is there another way of

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0:08:30 > 0:08:34escaping the debt? Well, you could 16-year-old Safina Adam is trying

0:08:34 > 0:08:39to do just that. As well as studying for her A-levels, she

0:08:39 > 0:08:42sells beauty products on her website. I started my business

0:08:42 > 0:08:46because I wanted to save up for university, and my parents said

0:08:46 > 0:08:56that, because of the rise in prices of university fees, it would be too

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0:08:58 > 0:09:05much for them to pay for it. I'm The Government allows students to

0:09:05 > 0:09:08pay up front. But most will have to take out a loan. But one financial

0:09:08 > 0:09:15expert believes that graduates could end up paying back far more

0:09:15 > 0:09:22Financial journalist William Cullerne Bowne is warning students

0:09:22 > 0:09:26to beware. I think the problem is that the deal is actually not a

0:09:26 > 0:09:28deal. There are all these numbers flying about, saying that you'll be

0:09:29 > 0:09:31charged a certain amount of interest on the loan, that your

0:09:31 > 0:09:36repayments will start at �21,000, over that you'll be paying a

0:09:36 > 0:09:39certain percentage. But actually none of those parameters are in the

0:09:40 > 0:09:43contract that the student signs up for. And in fact, the Government

0:09:43 > 0:09:48can change those numbers if it wants to in five years' time or ten

0:09:48 > 0:09:53years' time, 20 years time, 30 years' time. So students could end

0:09:53 > 0:09:58up paying a lot more. But any big changes would have to be approved

0:09:58 > 0:10:04by Parliament. Like many Americans, I graduated with debts of tens of

0:10:04 > 0:10:14thousands of dollars. It was daunting, but if you know the facts,

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0:10:26 > 0:10:31student debt doesn't have to be If you are prepared to be creative,

0:10:31 > 0:10:39you can get a degree without drowning in debt. But there is

0:10:39 > 0:10:44another way of beating the fees. To not go to university as well.

0:10:44 > 0:10:47-- all. It's the first week of the academic

0:10:47 > 0:10:50year, and the start of a whole new adventure for these freshers who

0:10:50 > 0:10:55have left home for the first time to study at Liverpool Hope

0:10:55 > 0:11:02University. I am studying the primary school teaching with sports

0:11:02 > 0:11:04studies. English and language. English literature and media.

0:11:04 > 0:11:09Theology and religious studies. according to Pete Waterman, they're

0:11:09 > 0:11:12making a massive and costly mistake. I just think that universities have

0:11:12 > 0:11:15to look at where they are in relation to today's world.

0:11:15 > 0:11:19Learning's a great thing, but learning for the sake of learning,

0:11:19 > 0:11:22if people expect something at the end of it, it could be a bit of a

0:11:22 > 0:11:32shock for them. And I think that that has to be explained to

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0:11:38 > 0:11:40students when they go on certain Pete's a self-made man who made his

0:11:40 > 0:11:46millions through the music industry, producing hit records for a whole

0:11:46 > 0:11:54host of artists, including Kylie Minogue. He says universities give

0:11:54 > 0:12:00students false hope and a whole load of debt. I'll of education.

0:12:00 > 0:12:04Don't get me wrong. Announcing you cannot have education. I'm saying

0:12:04 > 0:12:08that we have to look at it more fundamentally than we do, and there

0:12:08 > 0:12:14is a place for people that do want to go to university, but that is

0:12:14 > 0:12:18not everybody, so let us not push everybody down this road, and build

0:12:18 > 0:12:23bigger and bigger campuses, and give people on that we are creating

0:12:23 > 0:12:33this to leak work force. We are not. My three main priorities for

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0:12:41 > 0:12:48government, education, education, and education. These days, it seems

0:12:48 > 0:12:54you can get a degree in almost anything. Liverpool Hope University

0:12:54 > 0:13:02was formed when three education colleges merged, but it offers

0:13:02 > 0:13:06courses in all kinds of subjects, including football and pop music,

0:13:06 > 0:13:13taking study of the Beatles to postgraduate level. The course

0:13:13 > 0:13:21leader says that that is a ballot area of study. As if we are all

0:13:21 > 0:13:31singing Beatles songs. You get that a lot, actually. This is a classic

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0:13:35 > 0:13:39criticism. It is a classic misnomer. The idea that popular music studies

0:13:39 > 0:13:46does not prepare you for a job is another misnomer and another

0:13:47 > 0:13:52fallacy, because any degree, of any level, is a very empowering for

0:13:52 > 0:14:00people. I left school before my 16th birthday, and I floundered, I

0:14:00 > 0:14:05really floundered for years, until I had my daughter, to study, and I

0:14:05 > 0:14:09studied English and history former First degree, but I felt so when

0:14:10 > 0:14:15power by that, I felt I could go out and talk to people and stand up

0:14:15 > 0:14:20for myself, so any degree, really, is a massively improving trend for

0:14:20 > 0:14:26people. I would recommend it to anybody of any age because it to

0:14:26 > 0:14:31sue in a position of advantage. Being able to talk to people about

0:14:31 > 0:14:36theoretical complex things in life and understanding the degrees, for

0:14:36 > 0:14:40example, of the music business, of the way that political thought-

0:14:40 > 0:14:45processes are present in the music industry, all of these things are

0:14:45 > 0:14:51very important and certainly lead to my own personal empowerment over

0:14:51 > 0:15:01a number of years. But will there be a job at the end of it? Pete

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0:15:04 > 0:15:07Waterman pens not. Do would expect an employer to see, I have got no

0:15:07 > 0:15:12jobs for the long and winding road this week. You have got to

0:15:12 > 0:15:16understand what you want it to be. The university chancellor says that

0:15:16 > 0:15:22Pete Waterman's views are old- fashioned and not all degrees have

0:15:22 > 0:15:26to be vocational. Let's not do the whole thing that you get a degree

0:15:26 > 0:15:31and someone will employ you, the new thinking must be, how can you

0:15:31 > 0:15:40create jobs, how can you be an employer? And what schools can you

0:15:40 > 0:15:45pick up at the University, how can you pick up the King's of skills

0:15:45 > 0:15:50that will make you not just an employee, but an employer? And we

0:15:50 > 0:15:57have got to think about that otherwise we will not be able to

0:15:57 > 0:16:00compete, globally. I think that is part of old thinking. If we are

0:16:00 > 0:16:06going to remain a First World country and a leading country in

0:16:06 > 0:16:11the knowledge economy, we have to have people well educated and we

0:16:11 > 0:16:15live in a democracy that requires talk will, thinking people, so

0:16:15 > 0:16:19people can go to university, the match it. But as more students

0:16:19 > 0:16:23apply to go to university, more and more are being rejected as there

0:16:23 > 0:16:27are not enough places to meet demand. What happens to be Jean

0:16:27 > 0:16:33people? Pete Waterman thinks that the way forward is more

0:16:33 > 0:16:43apprenticeships like he has at the Senate is really. What we're doing

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0:16:45 > 0:16:48is old fashioned Engineering. -- at his heritage really. -- railway.

0:16:48 > 0:16:52They go to college one day a week but we never asked them for a

0:16:52 > 0:16:58qualification when they start with us. Our job is to teach them to do

0:16:58 > 0:17:03the job we want them to do. Even then, if they cannot, that does not

0:17:03 > 0:17:08stop them getting the job. A one of those apprentices has just

0:17:08 > 0:17:12completed his ideas Engineering Training. It is just a lot of hard

0:17:12 > 0:17:16work and a lot of learning. It is not something that you can learn

0:17:16 > 0:17:23from a book. It is physical, hands- on experience, and that is all it

0:17:23 > 0:17:26comes down to, at the end of the day. Some people have been to

0:17:27 > 0:17:31university, boys and girls, and have done really interesting

0:17:31 > 0:17:38courses. One of them has done some sort of graphics course, another

0:17:38 > 0:17:42has done a history degree, but have all ended up with a lot of debt, 15

0:17:42 > 0:17:46grand's worth of debt, and not the job out of it, and one of them

0:17:46 > 0:17:56works as telesales with British Telecom, another of them works as a

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0:18:03 > 0:18:06pub singer in London, so I cannot see the point, to be honest.

0:18:06 > 0:18:10court is one of the biggest employers in the north-west. Over

0:18:10 > 0:18:16the next three years they are taking on 2,000 apprentices,

0:18:16 > 0:18:19compared to fewer than 100 graduate trainees. There is not much that as

0:18:19 > 0:18:29we can apprentices and graduates when they, international

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0:18:35 > 0:18:38organisation. But that doesn't mean one silo. You can do your

0:18:38 > 0:18:41apprenticeship in one area and then work in different areas in the

0:18:41 > 0:18:44future, so I'd say there is no difference, maybe just the entry

0:18:44 > 0:18:47requirements. Actually, maybe the graduates are a few years on in

0:18:47 > 0:18:50that process level, but look at the apprentice in six years' time and

0:18:50 > 0:18:53they could be beyond that level as well. So I think it's just a

0:18:53 > 0:18:55different stage of their career that we're bringing them in

0:18:55 > 0:18:58at,really. Back at Liverpool Hope University, the freshers, while

0:18:58 > 0:19:00hoping to improve their job prospects by gaining good degrees,

0:19:00 > 0:19:04say they're also here for the things apprenticeships don't offer

0:19:04 > 0:19:10the chance to get away, make new friends and have the time of their

0:19:10 > 0:19:17lives. It is a great chance to develop yourself as a person, to

0:19:17 > 0:19:23discover yourself. I'm having good experiences that I could not have

0:19:23 > 0:19:27at home, I could not get the full experience of university. All my

0:19:27 > 0:19:33friends have said it is the best time have a, but I am just here for

0:19:33 > 0:19:42the qualification. Hopefully, make new friends, lots of experience,

0:19:42 > 0:19:46and good fun. One of the hardest things we all have to cope with his

0:19:46 > 0:19:51bereavement, losing a parent or someone close can be devastating.

0:19:51 > 0:19:55But imagine losing someone who has been with you sits before you were

0:19:56 > 0:20:05born? In the north-west, support group has been set up to help

0:20:06 > 0:20:16

0:20:16 > 0:20:20people who have lost it when. -- a twin. Twins are one of the miracles

0:20:20 > 0:20:22of life. In the case of identical twins, one egg creating not just

0:20:22 > 0:20:26two people but a lifelong bond. Joan Woodward, a psychotherapist,

0:20:26 > 0:20:31lost her twin Pam when she was just three years old. Despite her being

0:20:32 > 0:20:34so young, Joan believes her death had a lasting effect. There's no

0:20:34 > 0:20:41doubt whatsoever that what it produced is extreme levels of

0:20:42 > 0:20:44anxiety. I was very lonely, and that, in a way, it's quite well

0:20:44 > 0:20:54known among lone twins, this sense that something's missing, that

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0:20:54 > 0:20:58something's not there that should be there. They are seeking

0:20:58 > 0:21:02closeness, and I think one of the hardest bits is that you want to

0:21:02 > 0:21:05find that closeness again, but it never is available. In the 1980s,

0:21:05 > 0:21:08Joan wrote a book on the subject and interviewed more than 200 lone

0:21:08 > 0:21:13twins. Some had lost their twin in adulthood, some in childhood and

0:21:14 > 0:21:16others at birth. I think other people were surprised in that twins

0:21:17 > 0:21:20who'd lost their twin at birth were so deeply affected, but that's

0:21:20 > 0:21:23because there was a lot of evidence to show that the thing that

0:21:23 > 0:21:25mattered about twins was the parent response to the loss, and for

0:21:26 > 0:21:29mothers to have this agonising experience of giving birth to one

0:21:29 > 0:21:39child who's alive and at the same time giving birth to a child who's

0:21:39 > 0:21:47

0:21:47 > 0:21:51dead is a very traumatic experience, and a very painful one. How do you

0:21:51 > 0:21:57adore one and feel happy and yet grieve and feel terribly sad for

0:21:57 > 0:22:01the other? Having interviewed so many lone twins, Joan then decided

0:22:01 > 0:22:05to set up a support network for them, and they now meet a couple of

0:22:05 > 0:22:12times a year. It's not a therapy group, it's what the twins can

0:22:12 > 0:22:18offer each other in listening and supporting each other. Since the

0:22:18 > 0:22:221980s, the group has grown. Its website is run by Nancy Power, who

0:22:22 > 0:22:29lost her twin Jane to suicide when they were both 20. I had no idea

0:22:29 > 0:22:34how to cope. I didn't think I'd ever have to deal with it. I knew

0:22:34 > 0:22:44I'd have to cope with my parents dying, but not my twin sister. Even

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0:22:44 > 0:22:52though we weren't identical, we were two halves of a whole. I was

0:22:52 > 0:22:56the shy one, and she was the outgoing one. She would be the one

0:22:56 > 0:23:00having a cigarette behind the bike shed and staying out late. I was

0:23:00 > 0:23:06the shy, retiring, just getting on with my little hobbies, sort of

0:23:06 > 0:23:09thing. We would have abilities that we would give to the other. I'd

0:23:09 > 0:23:13help her out academically, and because of her I'd try to be a bit

0:23:13 > 0:23:17more outgoing, and I needed her to help me with that, and she needed

0:23:17 > 0:23:22me to help her with other things, so as soon as that goes and it's

0:23:22 > 0:23:28not there anymore, I felt so lost. I felt completely lost, I didn't

0:23:28 > 0:23:37know how to function anymore. It is like losing half of yourself, it

0:23:37 > 0:23:44really is. Nancy joined the Lone Twin Network eight years ago and

0:23:44 > 0:23:54has drawn huge strength from the support of others. You're suddenly

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0:23:54 > 0:23:57like, "Oh, right, I'm not a freak or mad." Cos the stuff you say when

0:23:57 > 0:24:01you're in groups, I just say, "Right I'm going to say this cos

0:24:01 > 0:24:05it's in my head," and so I say it and then I've nods going round the

0:24:05 > 0:24:15group and I think, "Oh, right, I'm not completely crazy," and you can

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0:24:21 > 0:24:26all be crazy together and cry and just empathise, really. This is the

0:24:26 > 0:24:34memorial cloth, that I have to come from one of the ladies that started

0:24:35 > 0:24:41it. It has members' names on it with their twin's names by the side

0:24:41 > 0:24:45of it. It is just a memorial, something a little more permanent,

0:24:45 > 0:24:52of their twin. It is good for people who lost their twin at birth,

0:24:52 > 0:24:57who do not have a grave or any other kind of memory or photographs

0:24:57 > 0:25:07or anything. At least there is something, somewhere, giving their

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0:25:10 > 0:25:14twin a place in the world. Perhaps that is the most difficult aspect

0:25:14 > 0:25:18for outsiders to understand, the grief of those are lost their twin

0:25:18 > 0:25:24at birth. People like Gill, whose twin was stillborn. She did not

0:25:24 > 0:25:28realise the effect of this until she was in her twenties. The best

0:25:28 > 0:25:37way to describe it was intense insecurity, being frightened about

0:25:37 > 0:25:45what was going to happen next. Great insecurity. And a sense of

0:25:45 > 0:25:49looking for something. As I study languages I spent quite a lot of

0:25:49 > 0:25:53time in foreign cities, studying and working, but I felt I was

0:25:53 > 0:25:58wandering around looking for something, with a feeling of unease,

0:25:58 > 0:26:05and not being rat -- very relaxed, and that the South it manifested

0:26:06 > 0:26:10itself. Jill's twin was buried in the grave of an adult to died at

0:26:10 > 0:26:20the same team. The Lone Twin Network was able to help gel locate

0:26:20 > 0:26:21

0:26:21 > 0:26:31the unmarked grave. I have a nice plaque made with the date on, 2003,

0:26:31 > 0:26:31

0:26:31 > 0:26:35and a little message to her, and I put down some flowers, and my

0:26:35 > 0:26:45parents were very surprised that I managed to do this through the Lone

0:26:45 > 0:26:50Twin Network. And we all felt better for it. Having found peace

0:26:50 > 0:26:55through the Lone Twin Network, Gill wants to set up a regional branch,

0:26:55 > 0:27:01here in the north-west. We have the first meeting on 29th to October.

0:27:01 > 0:27:07Details can be found on the Lone Twin Network website. We will have

0:27:07 > 0:27:12that, just an afternoon, with tea and cakes, that sort of thing. And

0:27:13 > 0:27:15we will discuss at the end of the session what people want to do,

0:27:15 > 0:27:24whether they went to meet twice a year, it will be what people want

0:27:24 > 0:27:28it to be. It wins do not just share a birthday, but the symbiosis, a

0:27:28 > 0:27:33special bond that is impossible to replicate. But, with the help of

0:27:33 > 0:27:40others in the same situation, lone twins can help find a way through

0:27:40 > 0:27:45their grief and be help to others. We had a good couple of sessions

0:27:45 > 0:27:53when lone twins went and met parents who had recently lost a

0:27:53 > 0:27:58baby and the innate up was full of emotion but we were able to say, we

0:27:58 > 0:28:04are here, don't start thinking that it is a terrible loss, try to make

0:28:04 > 0:28:09the best of the one that has a rich, full life to live who is glad that

0:28:09 > 0:28:14somehow they have a twin, and make the most of who they are, because

0:28:14 > 0:28:22being alone twin is being a special person. You can find out more about

0:28:22 > 0:28:28the network on our website. The address is on the screen now. That

0:28:28 > 0:28:33is all from me in Manchester. You can watch again on the BBC iPlayer.

0:28:33 > 0:28:39I am back at the same time next Monday. Until then, have a good

0:28:39 > 0:28:43week. Next week, as the recession hits the north-west, we discover