0:00:00 > 0:00:03much sewage is being released into the sea because they simply don't
0:00:03 > 0:00:11know. How a small Sussex company designed
0:00:11 > 0:00:18the fastest car in the world. also managed to be rather beautiful
0:00:18 > 0:00:24as well. And has the Turner Gallery divided Margate? We feel very
0:00:24 > 0:00:28strongly that there is no vision for the High Street at all.
0:00:28 > 0:00:38Natalie Graham with untold stories, closer to home. From all round Kent
0:00:38 > 0:00:51
0:00:51 > 0:00:53Hello, tonight I'm in Margate. It's the first of a brand new series and
0:00:53 > 0:01:03we kick off this week with a special investigation by Keir
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0:01:08 > 0:01:16Beaches are a key part of the South East tourist industry attracting
0:01:16 > 0:01:22hundreds of thousands of people every year. And all they really
0:01:22 > 0:01:26need are two simple things: Sunshine and clean sea water. But
0:01:26 > 0:01:30what if it turned out the sea water wasn't so clean after all? In May
0:01:30 > 0:01:34of this year that's exactly what we all discovered. Water quality at a
0:01:34 > 0:01:37number of our key beaches in the South East has dropped by such a
0:01:37 > 0:01:41significant level that more than a dozen of them are less clean than
0:01:41 > 0:01:49they were deemed to be a year ago. We wanted to know why and so began
0:01:49 > 0:01:52our investigation. At the time, local councils said much of the
0:01:52 > 0:01:55problem was debris washed inland from out at sea. Whilst others
0:01:55 > 0:01:57argued it was down to pollution washed away from farms during heavy
0:01:57 > 0:02:03storms. But there's another possible cause that could be
0:02:03 > 0:02:13considered a threat to wildlife and the public. That cause is human
0:02:13 > 0:02:13
0:02:13 > 0:02:16sewage and it's coming from pipes like these. They're called Combined
0:02:16 > 0:02:19Sewage Overflows, or CSOs, and to explain how they work I've come to
0:02:19 > 0:02:25meet Pegwell Bay to meet Andy Cummins from the campaign group,
0:02:25 > 0:02:28Surfers Against Sewage. After periods of heavy rain we'll get
0:02:28 > 0:02:30lots of water running into the sewage system because we have a
0:02:30 > 0:02:33combined sewage system that combines run off from our roads,
0:02:33 > 0:02:36roves, patios with everything that leaves out house from the toilets
0:02:36 > 0:02:39to the sinks to the drains when that happens the sewage system that
0:02:40 > 0:02:42we have is already bursting at the seams, add in that rainwater and
0:02:42 > 0:02:49its overpowered, so the water companies employ these as emergency
0:02:49 > 0:02:53exits for raw sewage and rain water. In other words, whilst most of our
0:02:53 > 0:02:59sewage goes to treatment works like this one, during heavy rain some of
0:02:59 > 0:03:02it ends up going into our rivers and seas raw and untreated. It's a
0:03:02 > 0:03:04system inherited from the Victorians and campaign groups like
0:03:04 > 0:03:10Andy's claim getting information about exactly how much sewage is
0:03:10 > 0:03:13coming out of them has proved difficult. We've been hitting brick
0:03:13 > 0:03:16walls, both with the political system, there's been no political
0:03:16 > 0:03:21will to ask water companies to share this info and also within the
0:03:21 > 0:03:24industry itself. And Andy says that's not fair on the public
0:03:24 > 0:03:32because they should have a right to know what's going into their rivers
0:03:32 > 0:03:42and seas. There are CSOs all around the UK, discharging raw sewage all
0:03:42 > 0:03:43
0:03:43 > 0:03:53around the year for hours and hours on end and they deserve to be told.
0:03:53 > 0:03:54
0:03:54 > 0:03:57We agreed. So we got in touch with Southern Water. They're the company
0:03:57 > 0:04:00in charge of your waste water and sewage system in Kent and Sussex.
0:04:00 > 0:04:03But at first, we didn't encounter any issues over getting information.
0:04:03 > 0:04:06They readily told us they have 751 CSOs that are located in Kent,
0:04:06 > 0:04:09Sussex, Hampshire and the Isle of Wight. Southern Water then said
0:04:09 > 0:04:12they'd happily send us a document telling us which CSOs went off last
0:04:12 > 0:04:14year and for how long. And this is it. Hundreds of pages of
0:04:14 > 0:04:21information. But on studying this document, we've discovered
0:04:21 > 0:04:24something quite baffling. Of the 751 CSOs we know Southern water
0:04:24 > 0:04:28have, only a third are listed on this document. We got back in touch
0:04:28 > 0:04:30with Southern Water to ask them why. And after a long e-mail exchange we
0:04:30 > 0:04:33finally established the answer. It's because they don't monitor
0:04:33 > 0:04:39them. What this means is Southern Water don't know how much sewage is
0:04:39 > 0:04:42being released into the water around our bathing beaches.
0:04:42 > 0:04:45Southern Water agreed to meet us at their multi-million pound treatment
0:04:45 > 0:04:48plant being built at Peacehaven to explain themselves. Company
0:04:48 > 0:04:57Director Geoff Loader started by telling us what they had done to
0:04:57 > 0:04:59improve the sewage system. In the last three years, something around
0:04:59 > 0:05:05150 million pounds has been invested and spent on improving
0:05:05 > 0:05:13combined sewer overflows to make them better. They might be better
0:05:13 > 0:05:16but the majority still aren't monitored. How can you make a
0:05:16 > 0:05:26judgement as to whether they are safe if you can't judge what is
0:05:26 > 0:05:28
0:05:28 > 0:05:34coming the heart of your own pipes? The ages he says we don't need to
0:05:35 > 0:05:39report and say exactly what is happening with the outflows. In
0:05:40 > 0:05:49other areas, we do have to report it and we do it with the
0:05:49 > 0:05:52Environment Agency to -- who monitor that. Geoff had just said
0:05:52 > 0:05:55all Combined Sewage Overflows on the coast are monitored. That
0:05:55 > 0:05:58simply isn't true. He then told us that only about 5% of what comes
0:05:58 > 0:06:03out of CSOs during storms is actually untreated human sewage.
0:06:03 > 0:06:11But that didn't sound quite right either. How have you come to this
0:06:11 > 0:06:17five % figure? It is a generalisation. You don't know it
0:06:17 > 0:06:20is five %. What I do know is it isn't for raw sewage. Of course
0:06:20 > 0:06:24that's true, but it was clear Geoff couldn't say for sure how much of
0:06:24 > 0:06:27what was coming out of these pipes was storm water and how much was
0:06:27 > 0:06:31untreated human waste. And he did admit the CSOs were having an
0:06:32 > 0:06:36impact on water quality. Do you believe that CSOs were partly due
0:06:36 > 0:06:42to the dropping water quality in the past year? I'm sure they will
0:06:42 > 0:06:48have had an effect. The amount of rain and sewage generated,
0:06:48 > 0:06:55definitely, there will be an effect. Bad weather will have an effect on
0:06:55 > 0:07:05water quality. So our next question was this: What impact is the drop
0:07:05 > 0:07:08
0:07:08 > 0:07:11in water quality partly caused by CSOs having on public health? For
0:07:11 > 0:07:14surfers, clean water is everything and Andy had invited us to Viking
0:07:14 > 0:07:22Bay in Broadstairs to meet some surfers that claim they've got sick
0:07:22 > 0:07:32from what you'll find in the sea. get three infections a year, upset
0:07:32 > 0:07:33
0:07:33 > 0:07:42stomachs... In infections, sinus infections, stomach bugs. How can
0:07:42 > 0:07:49you be sure it is because of what is in the water? Everyone goes down
0:07:49 > 0:07:54with the same illness. People may be eating in different areas, doing
0:07:54 > 0:07:57different things with their lives. The one common factor is using the
0:07:57 > 0:08:01sea after periods of heavy rain. Whatever Andy says, it's impossible
0:08:01 > 0:08:04to know sea water caused those illnesses, and even if it did, you
0:08:04 > 0:08:06can't say for sure it was human sewage that caused the infection.
0:08:06 > 0:08:09But that's not necessarily the case with Joanne Shelsher from Hove.
0:08:09 > 0:08:12Tests by her doctor revealed an infection she was carrying that
0:08:12 > 0:08:15affected her health for 18 months had come from human faeces, and she
0:08:15 > 0:08:25believes she contracted it from regularly swimming in the sea here
0:08:25 > 0:08:29
0:08:29 > 0:08:36at Hove. But -- the last time I went in, it had been raining, it
0:08:36 > 0:08:46was quite choppy, and we went out and had burning probes, feeding
0:08:46 > 0:08:49
0:08:49 > 0:08:53really sick -- burning throats. I knew it was also rich in there. --
0:08:53 > 0:08:57raw sewage. In the last year this beach has seen water quality fall
0:08:57 > 0:09:00and there is a CSO within a mile of it. But still, can we really claim
0:09:00 > 0:09:02they're causing illness? It's a question we put to the Marine
0:09:02 > 0:09:05Conservation Society who produce the Good Beach Guide. It's their
0:09:05 > 0:09:10charity that revealed water quality had fallen on 14 of the region's
0:09:10 > 0:09:16beaches including this one at Ramsgate. If it is such a risk,
0:09:16 > 0:09:21where all the sick people? A lot of them don't get reported. But is not
0:09:21 > 0:09:24information that is committed by GPs or the local health authorities.
0:09:24 > 0:09:29The charity believe CSOs are a major contributing factor to water
0:09:29 > 0:09:34quality and say the system needs to change. We need to know where all
0:09:34 > 0:09:37these CSOs are. We need to monitor it and we need to work out their
0:09:38 > 0:09:40environmental impact. That is beginning to happen. There are
0:09:40 > 0:09:42currently trials underway at ten beaches with Combined Sewage
0:09:43 > 0:09:46Overflows owned by Southern Water including Joss Bay, Botany Bay and
0:09:46 > 0:09:49Westbrook Bay. Those signing up to the scheme can get live updates of
0:09:49 > 0:09:55when CSOs are going off. But that still leaves dozens of beaches
0:09:55 > 0:10:02without a scheme in place. And go out and ask the public if they have
0:10:02 > 0:10:06any idea what's going on and you'll find the answer is a very clear no.
0:10:06 > 0:10:14Were you aware that just me here is this image over for a pipe their
0:10:14 > 0:10:22releases spirit into the sea? didn't realise that. It makes you
0:10:22 > 0:10:26wonder. How do you feel about that? Shocked. I didn't think things like
0:10:26 > 0:10:29that still happen these days. been walking along this beach for
0:10:29 > 0:10:38an hour now and everyone we spoke to said they think they should be
0:10:38 > 0:10:44given more information. Do you agree it is in the public's
0:10:44 > 0:10:49interest for you to say exactly how much sewage is being released from
0:10:49 > 0:10:54your pipes? I think people need to have an understanding of why they
0:10:54 > 0:10:59operate. So why don't you do it? we have started a programme now. We
0:10:59 > 0:11:07have stuck to the trial at 10 of barky beaches and we would look to
0:11:07 > 0:11:09expand on that. -- our key beaches. We operate in conditions for the
0:11:09 > 0:11:14licence from the Environment Agency, so they are the policing body that
0:11:14 > 0:11:22monitor us and we are given what are called consents to operate
0:11:22 > 0:11:29those. It is about time we had a word with the Environment Agency.
0:11:29 > 0:11:32Would you recommend that every CSO is monitored? They are lots of
0:11:32 > 0:11:38different priorities. We want to make sure that the ones a really
0:11:38 > 0:11:42important get monitors and that there is other investment put into
0:11:42 > 0:11:47the problems. Our investigation has led us to believe that the
0:11:47 > 0:11:52information is very hard to come by on how many CSOs there are, where
0:11:52 > 0:11:55there are releasing, when, and for how long. Surely the Environment
0:11:55 > 0:12:03Agency has a role to play in ensuring that information is more
0:12:03 > 0:12:08available. Our role is to regulate the water companies. How can you do
0:12:08 > 0:12:18that if you don't know how many CSOs are releasing for how long's
0:12:18 > 0:12:25
0:12:25 > 0:12:28because we regulate the way in which the structures work. Except
0:12:28 > 0:12:31that doesn't always seem to be true. Our investigation has revealed a
0:12:31 > 0:12:33final, shocking fact. Sewage treatment plants can also have
0:12:33 > 0:12:36overflow pipes that release raw sewage mixed with storm water. And
0:12:36 > 0:12:39further study of the document Southern Water had sent us revealed
0:12:39 > 0:12:42this: Between May and September last year, the overflow pipe from
0:12:42 > 0:12:45the water treatment works at Swale cliff near Tankerton beach released
0:12:45 > 0:12:5251 times for a total of more than 1,000 hours, meaning raw sewage was
0:12:52 > 0:12:55going into the sea for nearly five weeks. The Environment Agency told
0:12:55 > 0:12:59us an investigation was underway into what had happened but said the
0:12:59 > 0:13:02overflow pipe was about a mile away from the beach and so its operation
0:13:02 > 0:13:12would have only a limited impact. But still, surely that level of
0:13:12 > 0:13:14
0:13:14 > 0:13:17pollution isn't acceptable. No, it can't be. I don't have the specific
0:13:17 > 0:13:20details but we've got to look at that because at the end of the day
0:13:20 > 0:13:23we want to keep the record of bathing beaches meeting the
0:13:23 > 0:13:26standards, it's essential for our reputation as a company but it's
0:13:26 > 0:13:29also essential for a region that relies heavily on its beaches and
0:13:29 > 0:13:32on its tourism. With new tougher European water regulations coming
0:13:32 > 0:13:38into force in 2015 Southern Water know they've got lots of work to do
0:13:38 > 0:13:41to improve water quality. During our investigation they'd admitted
0:13:41 > 0:13:45their overflow pipes were polluting sea water and they didn't know by
0:13:45 > 0:13:48how much. But the company told us they're committed to improving, so
0:13:48 > 0:13:58now it's a case of waiting to see what water quality is like next
0:13:58 > 0:14:03
0:14:03 > 0:14:12Keir MacKenzie reporting there. Coming up later: Has the Turner
0:14:12 > 0:14:22Contemporary been good for Margate? I think it has been a really great
0:14:22 > 0:14:28
0:14:28 > 0:14:34improvement for the town. Join me Some people say the best thing ever
0:14:34 > 0:14:37to come out of Burgess Hill is the A273. But they're wrong. This town
0:14:37 > 0:14:41was once home to a company that designed a rather special car for
0:14:41 > 0:14:51legendary speed record-breaker Donald Campbell. A car called the
0:14:51 > 0:14:56
0:14:56 > 0:14:59Bluebird. The Bluebird Campbell Norris 7. It was so ahead of its
0:14:59 > 0:15:05time that many believe that if it ran today and could reach its top
0:15:05 > 0:15:09speed it would still be the fastest wheel-driven car in the world. It
0:15:09 > 0:15:12was said to be 50 years ahead of its time, so 50 years on, I've come
0:15:12 > 0:15:22to the National Motor Museum at Beaulieu to take a fresh look at
0:15:22 > 0:15:24
0:15:24 > 0:15:28the car... It is like a crunching blue tiger. Is an iconic figure.
0:15:28 > 0:15:31find out how it set a world record against all the odds And to reveal
0:15:31 > 0:15:41the modest Sussex inventors, Ken and Lou Norris, the men who made it
0:15:41 > 0:15:44
0:15:44 > 0:15:47all possible. They were very humble people. They never said, you can't
0:15:47 > 0:15:50do that. Donald Campbell and Bluebird became household names
0:15:50 > 0:15:52back in the early 60s, but Campbell's biographer, David
0:15:52 > 0:16:02Tremayne, thinks the Norris Brothers deserve the same kind of
0:16:02 > 0:16:03
0:16:03 > 0:16:10recognition. Donald Campbell is the only man in history to do to the
0:16:10 > 0:16:16water speed and the land speed in the same year. They played at such
0:16:16 > 0:16:18a key part in the event. Before the Bluebird boat and the Bluebird car
0:16:18 > 0:16:21Norris Brothers weren't known for designing vehicles. But Donald
0:16:21 > 0:16:27Campbell knew the brothers and had total faith in their engineering
0:16:27 > 0:16:29skills. So he asked them to design a record breaking boat and car.
0:16:29 > 0:16:39According to Donald Stevens, Norris Brothers project co-ordinator, it
0:16:39 > 0:16:44was typical of Ken and Lou to say We just took on anything that most
0:16:44 > 0:16:49people either could not do or would not do. From how to generate
0:16:49 > 0:16:56electricity at of the sea, to containing a very cold liquids, to
0:16:56 > 0:17:01designing things like this. So, how did the company more used to
0:17:01 > 0:17:08designing explosion prove boxes, wrapping machines and sweet factory
0:17:08 > 0:17:14components do it? It all began with a special method 10 arrests devised
0:17:14 > 0:17:18a finding solutions to complicated programs. -- problems. He called it
0:17:18 > 0:17:22morphological thought. It was a way of making a charge which every
0:17:22 > 0:17:27single possible way of doing a job would be included. -- at Chard.
0:17:27 > 0:17:31From there, you could select which way was the most practical and
0:17:31 > 0:17:35which way might perhaps give some development. You could choose all
0:17:35 > 0:17:43sorts of things. While Kenneth dealt with the aerodynamics,
0:17:43 > 0:17:53#ColourCyan oversaw the mechanics. Hugh Standing was the car's
0:17:53 > 0:17:54
0:17:54 > 0:18:03mechanical engineer. I design the engine. We had to take the gearbox
0:18:03 > 0:18:07of the front of it. We had to adapt it. So that both ends were running
0:18:07 > 0:18:14at the same speed. It was an educational experience, working on
0:18:14 > 0:18:19the car. It took 29,000 man hours of development to make Bluebird the
0:18:19 > 0:18:24safest, most technically advanced land-speed car there had ever been.
0:18:24 > 0:18:28And if that were not enough, it also managed to be rather beautiful
0:18:28 > 0:18:33as well. This sleek, streamlined shape hid a body of super-strong
0:18:34 > 0:18:40aluminium honeycomb, an innovation that saved Campbell's life when he
0:18:40 > 0:18:46crashed the first Bluebird in the Utah desert. The accident he had at
0:18:46 > 0:18:49Bonneville was the fastest accident anyone had ever survive. Possibly
0:18:49 > 0:18:54360 mph. If you think about that, for him to get away with an
0:18:54 > 0:19:00accident like that was historical. That shows you the strength of the
0:19:00 > 0:19:06car. After the crash, the Bluebird body was redesigned, its
0:19:06 > 0:19:10aerodynamics were tested in this wind tunnel. Professor John
0:19:10 > 0:19:20Stollery says the car had its sexy comes because the tyre manufacturer
0:19:20 > 0:19:20
0:19:20 > 0:19:30Dunlop said that Bluebird needed enormous 52 inch wheels. They had
0:19:30 > 0:19:31
0:19:31 > 0:19:37to have these streamlined covers over the top. They acted as fines,
0:19:37 > 0:19:42so if the car begins to deviate, it would be a even further off course.
0:19:42 > 0:19:47The solution was to add a tall tailfin to stabilise the car. Now,
0:19:47 > 0:19:52the only problem was the Australian weather. It had not rained at Lake
0:19:52 > 0:19:56Air for 20 years, but being an all- British affair, it rained cats and
0:19:56 > 0:20:00dogs as soon as the team got there. This exclusive footage, never
0:20:01 > 0:20:05before seen on television, shows just how bad the conditions were,
0:20:05 > 0:20:08so bad that Donald Campbell said at the surface was like the skin on a
0:20:08 > 0:20:14rice pudding. There is no telling how deeply the rain has soaked in
0:20:14 > 0:20:18and it certainly looks no place for such a heavy car. But the winter
0:20:18 > 0:20:23ahead anyway. Bluebird had to make two runs to break the record and
0:20:23 > 0:20:28just managed it, sinking into the salt, its belly scraping along the
0:20:28 > 0:20:32ground. The speed record and was then you will do our own world
0:20:32 > 0:20:39record of 403 mph. But had conditions be right, how much
0:20:39 > 0:20:45faster could Bluebird have gone? The current record is 458. Bluebird
0:20:45 > 0:20:49at its peak with the right tyres and conditions, it has set a record
0:20:49 > 0:20:57between 450 and 400 Saturday five miles an hour on the right service.
0:20:57 > 0:21:02The tragedy is it never did run on a surface that befitted the car.
0:21:02 > 0:21:06Donald Campbell died attempting an the water speed record in 1967.
0:21:06 > 0:21:10with his death when any hopes of running the Bluebird again. The
0:21:11 > 0:21:18Norris Brothers continued to innovate and event - I invent,
0:21:18 > 0:21:25until 10 died in 2005 and Lou in 2005 -- 2009. Neither of them have
0:21:25 > 0:21:28received the credit some say they deserve. They did not get it. They
0:21:28 > 0:21:33would have had the satisfaction of designing something that worked.
0:21:33 > 0:21:36For them, that was the accolade they wanted. All the same, it seems
0:21:36 > 0:21:44a shame that they are not remembered, especially in their
0:21:44 > 0:21:48home town. The Bluebird car is a 20th century icon. Sleek,
0:21:48 > 0:21:53futuristic and unique. Yet, when you come to Burgess Hill, there's
0:21:53 > 0:22:03nothing to show that this is where it was conceived and designed. And
0:22:03 > 0:22:09
0:22:09 > 0:22:19no sign that Norris Brothers ever That was Kaddy Lee-Preston
0:22:19 > 0:22:20
0:22:20 > 0:22:24reporting. Now, can art saved a seaside town? At a cost of �17
0:22:24 > 0:22:27million, if it -- is the Turner Contemporary a jewel in its crown
0:22:27 > 0:22:34or a thorn in the side of "phantom mortgage" and regeneration success
0:22:34 > 0:22:37or driving a deep divide? -- a thorn in the side of Margate.
0:22:37 > 0:22:45as if the council wants the high street to die. Nobody really wanted
0:22:45 > 0:22:52it. I think it is good, it has been a great improvement for the time. -
0:22:52 > 0:22:55- for the town. Love it or hate it, the gallery opened in April with
0:22:55 > 0:22:58lots of modern art and some genuine Turner paintings like this one,
0:22:58 > 0:23:08Crossing The Brook. Nearly all critics were asking the same
0:23:08 > 0:23:12question - could a gallery save Margate from ruin? Famous artist
0:23:12 > 0:23:16Tracey and then seems to think so. First came the Danes, then the
0:23:16 > 0:23:21Vikings, now there is art. Arch will be the best thing that has
0:23:21 > 0:23:31ever happened to this town. It is six months later and we are back to
0:23:31 > 0:23:35
0:23:35 > 0:23:39This is the old town, the area that has become Margate's cultural hub.
0:23:39 > 0:23:42It is walking distance from the gallery and shopkeepers tell us
0:23:42 > 0:23:47footfall is up. Anne Marie Nixey gave up teaching to set up a
0:23:47 > 0:23:52business here. She says the gallery has been good for trade. If you
0:23:52 > 0:23:55look at the statistics, the figures we have, I can say that a last six-
0:23:55 > 0:24:02month period, the return -- that the term has been open compared to
0:24:02 > 0:24:05last year, it is double the takings. Without a shadow of doubt. Looking
0:24:05 > 0:24:09at the old town, it would be easy to think we generation has been a
0:24:09 > 0:24:14success. But if you venture further rock a High Street, you can see
0:24:14 > 0:24:19where regeneration ends and reality begins. Just on this road, we
0:24:19 > 0:24:23counted around 20 empty shops. Shopkeepers we spoke to here say
0:24:23 > 0:24:27they have been abandoned. They told us none of the money invested in
0:24:27 > 0:24:35making the town that pretty for the gallery's opening had reached here.
0:24:35 > 0:24:39Many said the money for Turner this era. Brendan Woods' shoe shop
0:24:39 > 0:24:43is on the verge of collision. part of the high street has
0:24:44 > 0:24:49completely be left behind. -- on the verge of closing. Brendan says
0:24:49 > 0:24:53the council is not helping the sport of 10 benefit from the Turner
0:24:53 > 0:24:57at all. They seem to have no vision for this end of the high street.
0:24:57 > 0:25:02What are they going to do? What is going to happen? It is completely
0:25:02 > 0:25:05and utterly a wall of silence. is clear shop-owners here feel like
0:25:05 > 0:25:09they're not been listened to. We decided take Brendan to meet the
0:25:09 > 0:25:14council leader, who was responsible for Margate's regeneration, to ask
0:25:14 > 0:25:18why more had not been done for this part of town. We feel very strongly
0:25:18 > 0:25:24that there is no vision for the high street at all. It is almost as
0:25:24 > 0:25:27if the council want the House -- high street to die. We do not hear
0:25:27 > 0:25:32any progressive plans for any idea of what will happen to the high
0:25:32 > 0:25:41street. So we're definitely feeling a distinction between the all part
0:25:41 > 0:25:46of Margate and the rest of the high street? We cannot deny the
0:25:47 > 0:25:50regeneration of Margate started at the bottom end of the town. I think
0:25:50 > 0:25:53they is evidence that that regeneration is moving up a High
0:25:54 > 0:26:02Street and I think that will gather pace. But the council is in a
0:26:02 > 0:26:07difficult position. We would agree with traders that we could tell
0:26:07 > 0:26:11them if there was some fair business rates. But that is the
0:26:11 > 0:26:16Government that set them and decide that will the level of them.
0:26:16 > 0:26:20wonder whether his -- there is this vision of a set plan, asset team,
0:26:20 > 0:26:25looking at retail on the High Street, what are we going to do?
0:26:25 > 0:26:29have an economic development team who are active, certainly I get
0:26:29 > 0:26:34your frustrations brought back to me and I can assure you, I Shearer.
0:26:34 > 0:26:39You mention the word passion. I could not agree more. -- I share
0:26:39 > 0:26:44them. There is clearly a divide with some parts of the 10
0:26:44 > 0:26:48benefiting and others feeling left out. Professor Gordana Fontana-
0:26:48 > 0:26:54Giusti from Kent University says the generation happens in waves and
0:26:54 > 0:27:03the divide is proof it is working. Turner Contemporary has attracted
0:27:03 > 0:27:09250,000 people, that cannot be bad for the high street. Regeneration
0:27:09 > 0:27:13happens in stages. Although not everyone is happy, gallery director
0:27:13 > 0:27:19Victoria Pommery says the visitor numbers speak for themselves.
0:27:19 > 0:27:27have had a fantastic opening summer. The expected 150,000 visitors, we
0:27:27 > 0:27:30have had 250,000. So, it has been absolutely phenomenal. For the
0:27:30 > 0:27:35Turner to have an effect, it is clear visitors here need to see
0:27:35 > 0:27:43more than these four walls. Just like one of his paintings, the
0:27:43 > 0:27:46picture from Margate is a mixed palette.
0:27:46 > 0:27:50Now, if you want any more information about tonight's show,
0:27:50 > 0:27:56you can go to our Kent and Sussex website. You can also watch the
0:27:56 > 0:28:01whole show again on our iPlayer. Kota bbc.co.uk/insideout. Come the
0:28:01 > 0:28:07next week, it will cost up to �9,000 a year to get a degree, but
0:28:07 > 0:28:17asking questions cost nothing. what is the point of university for
0:28:17 > 0:28:17
0:28:17 > 0:28:22the creative arts? University fees explain. �75,000. And some of the
0:28:22 > 0:28:26rarest big cats in the world being born and bred in Kent. We are
0:28:26 > 0:28:29keeping the species alive. Keeping the species pure. One day, we will