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:00:02. > :00:05.Hello. On tonight's show, we'll be revealing fresh evidence that sheds

:00:05. > :00:15.new light on the notorious case of Richard John Bingham, otherwise

:00:15. > :00:18.

:00:18. > :00:24.known as Lord Lucan. Speaking for son of the nanny murdered in

:00:24. > :00:26.Belgravia. Everything has always been Lord Lucan this, Lord Lucan

:00:27. > :00:33.that. Well, wait a minute hang on there was this very attractive

:00:33. > :00:40.young lady brutally murdered that has been forgotten about. The first

:00:40. > :00:43.detective on the crime scene. was an awful lot of blood about,

:00:43. > :00:53.there really was. The poor woman had obviously been folded up and

:00:53. > :00:58.placed in this large sack, canvas bag. And the only brother of the

:00:59. > :01:08.missing Lord. Was he the sort of man to commit suicide or did he

:01:09. > :01:28.

:01:28. > :01:34.Regular viewers will know that Glenn Campbell has been

:01:34. > :01:44.investigating the Lord Lucan case over a period of time. Tonight, he

:01:44. > :01:53.

:01:53. > :01:59.asks if it is time to reopen this It was 1974. There were London's

:01:59. > :02:04.gambling, aristocratic elite. A rich, powerful and secretive.

:02:04. > :02:12.Richard John Bingham was one of their number. Lucky Lord Lucan was

:02:12. > :02:18.his nickname. That luck ran out. A murder. The brutal death of a young

:02:19. > :02:24.woman. A man Holland. And finally, the vanishing Peer of the realm.

:02:24. > :02:32.Was it suicide, but it is gambling friends help him escape to a secret

:02:32. > :02:36.Newlife? -- did his gambling new friends happen to escape to a

:02:36. > :02:41.secret new life. I'm going to show you the new evidence we have found

:02:41. > :02:45.on the Lucan case. Three key documents. Two police intelligence

:02:46. > :02:54.reports that show how they believe Lord Lucan was alive and well and

:02:54. > :03:00.living abroad in 1979, and as recently as 2002. And this police

:03:00. > :03:06.witness statement. It tells of a mystery man living in at the Lucan

:03:06. > :03:10.family home in the weeks before the murder. New evidence I put to Lord

:03:10. > :03:17.Lucan's only brother, who, in his first interview, reveals what he

:03:17. > :03:21.thinks happened. I do believe my brother was innocent. I do not

:03:21. > :03:27.believe he would have committed suicide. He was a man of

:03:27. > :03:35.considerable resourcefulness and therefore I would imagine that he

:03:35. > :03:45.used resources to remove himself from the picture. No more, no less,

:03:45. > :03:56.

:03:56. > :04:03.Many detectives take their work comes Ed mack. -- home. Strictly

:04:03. > :04:09.speaking, they should not. But they do. This man did. His name was DCI

:04:09. > :04:15.David 'Buster' Gerring. And these were his boxers. You see, back in

:04:15. > :04:23.1974, DCI Gerring was the man Scotland Yard put in charge of the

:04:23. > :04:29.day-to-day running of the hunt for Lord Lucan. DCI Gerring lived in

:04:29. > :04:34.Tunbridge Wells. He died eight years ago. His three boxes of case

:04:34. > :04:42.files and diaries have survived intact, on scene until this moment.

:04:42. > :04:48.This is the woman we have to thank. If I remember rightly, a cid mack

:04:48. > :04:52.in this corner. Her name is Davina chambers. Her father was DCI David

:04:52. > :04:56.'Buster' Gerring. When was the last time you see in this material?

:04:56. > :05:02.of them I have never seen. He just wanted them kept some were safe,

:05:02. > :05:05.but not in his own possession. That is the impression we got. Our you

:05:05. > :05:11.happy with the BBC taking away these notebooks and diaries to see

:05:11. > :05:14.if we can find new clues? Gas, I am happy for you to do that. He would

:05:14. > :05:21.like that Leckey would have liked somebody to carry on the

:05:21. > :05:26.investigation. The case was never closed. These no books, diaries and

:05:26. > :05:30.files dating back to 1974, and are scattered with clues, personal

:05:30. > :05:40.observations and new names that transport you back to the very son

:05:40. > :05:51.

:05:51. > :05:57.of the crime. - Maxine of the crime. 39 year-old John Bingham, Lord

:05:57. > :06:02.Lucan, was accused of murdering his children's nanny, Sandra Rivett,

:06:02. > :06:12.and attempting to kill his estranged wife on the night of 7th

:06:12. > :06:12.

:06:12. > :06:18.November, 1974. The police believe Lord Lucan bludgeoned the family

:06:18. > :06:22.nanny to death after mistaking her for his wife. He then savagely

:06:23. > :06:32.attacked his estranged wife, Veronica, but she managed to escape,

:06:32. > :06:38.taking refuge in this nearby pub. Finding himself the Prime suspect,

:06:38. > :06:48.Lord Lucan fled the scene, driving 50 miles south to the small Sussex

:06:48. > :06:50.

:06:50. > :06:55.town of och field, where he sought Four days later, the Ford Corsair

:06:55. > :07:00.Lucan had fled London in, was discovered abandoned in Newhaven.

:07:00. > :07:05.An incriminating length of lead piping was still in the boot. The

:07:05. > :07:10.discovery sparked a huge manhunt. Officers scoured the countryside

:07:10. > :07:20.and coastline for weeks. Despite an exhaustive search, nobody was ever

:07:20. > :07:21.

:07:21. > :07:27.found. -- no body. Lucan's tightly- knit group of gambling friends

:07:27. > :07:33.promoted the theory that he had committed suicide. Others, led by

:07:33. > :07:37.DCI Gerring, suspected otherwise. am firmly of the opinion that he is

:07:37. > :07:46.alive. I always have been. I have never changed that right from the

:07:46. > :07:51.start. He thought he was spirited away somewhere. And then once he is

:07:51. > :07:57.out of the country, with his contacts, the world is his oyster.

:07:57. > :08:02.But spirited away where? Instructions were to make

:08:02. > :08:08.arrangements for John Bingham, also known as Lord Lucan, to see his

:08:08. > :08:15.children. To do that, I had to book his two eldest children on flights

:08:15. > :08:19.to Africa. A pack and February, I interviewed this woman, who

:08:19. > :08:23.sensationally claimed that in the 1980s, she had arranged for Lord

:08:23. > :08:29.Lucan's two eldest children to fly to Africa so the missing father

:08:29. > :08:36.could see them from afar. At some point, their father would observe

:08:36. > :08:40.them and see them. That is what he wanted to do. See how they were

:08:40. > :08:47.growing up. Her story was that she had been working for Lord Lucan's

:08:47. > :08:52.close friend, John Aspinall, a man who had made no secret of his

:08:52. > :08:56.willingness to help Lord Lucan, whether innocent or guilty. What I

:08:56. > :09:01.probably would have done it, if he had appeared here, is anything that

:09:01. > :09:08.he wished. You say if he had begged asylum from you, he would have got

:09:08. > :09:13.it? He would have got it. It was John Aspinall who instructed her to

:09:13. > :09:18.book the African flight. The revelations made headlines around

:09:18. > :09:24.the world. Lord Lucan's children dispute that version of events. She

:09:24. > :09:30.had asked us not to identify her. The following month she told the

:09:30. > :09:34.same story to the Daily Telegraph. As a direct result of that

:09:34. > :09:40.interview, I was put in touch with this man, someone else who had

:09:40. > :09:46.papers from the past. His name is Neil Barrowman, a builder from

:09:46. > :09:51.Sussex, who in 2004 was handed this brown envelope by his adoptive mum,

:09:51. > :09:56.Jean, just before she died of cancer. Inside, he was told he

:09:56. > :10:03.would find his birth certificate, listing his natural mother's name.

:10:03. > :10:13.As promised, the envelope revealed its secret. His birth mother was

:10:13. > :10:20.Sandra Rivett. And then the penny dropped. That my mother was Sandra

:10:20. > :10:26.Rivett. And she had been murdered by Lord Lucan. What is it you're

:10:26. > :10:31.looking for? Justice for my mother. The fact that everything is that

:10:31. > :10:35.Mike has always been Lord Lucan is and Lord Lucan that. Wait a minute,

:10:35. > :10:41.there was this very, very attractive young lady, brutally

:10:41. > :10:47.murdered, that has been forgotten about. That was my mother. I cannot

:10:47. > :10:55.traitor. Somebody has taken her life. How far are you willing to go

:10:55. > :10:58.to see justice done? Whatever it takes, really. When it comes to the

:10:58. > :11:04.book an investigation, as far as Scotland Yard are concerned,

:11:04. > :11:09.everything has to be kept a closely guarded secret. Making this 1979

:11:09. > :11:17.intelligence report, and this 2002 intelligence file, well, highly

:11:17. > :11:22.valuable, I suppose. First, the 1979 report that I found at the

:11:22. > :11:26.bottom of one of DCI Gerring's all the boxes. It shows that far from

:11:26. > :11:30.being in Africa, the police that good intelligence that Lord Lucan

:11:30. > :11:36.was closer to home, making secret visit to a privately owned Scottish

:11:36. > :11:42.estate. The file contains a map of the estate in Scotland, together

:11:42. > :11:46.with photographs of the businessman suspected of harbouring Lord Lucan.

:11:46. > :11:50.But just how good was the police intelligence that Lucan was

:11:51. > :11:57.visiting Scotland in the late 1970s? Well, good enough for them

:11:57. > :12:07.to try to send this form of Flying Squad officer there for you to work

:12:07. > :12:14.

:12:14. > :12:19.Now retired from Scotland Yard, Tony Russell spends his spare time

:12:19. > :12:23.training and gun dogs. He has never spoken about his secret Lord Lucan

:12:23. > :12:32.assignment before, but when I showed him the intelligence report,

:12:32. > :12:39.the memories came flooding back. Is the terminology correct? Is that an

:12:39. > :12:49.intelligence file from the 1970s? Absolutely. They have put a lot of

:12:49. > :12:51.

:12:51. > :12:59.research into wit. -- into it. was the detail? They asked me to go

:12:59. > :13:04.to Scotland to pose as a writer, hire a cottage, to take a female

:13:04. > :13:09.officer with me posing as my wife and give me a year to try and find

:13:09. > :13:14.Lord Lucan, who they thought it was on that estate in Scotland. The

:13:14. > :13:19.only criteria in relation to that was it we managed to find him, they

:13:20. > :13:25.would be informed and they it would come to lay hands on him up rather

:13:25. > :13:32.than me arresting him. So you believe they had good, credible

:13:32. > :13:36.intelligence? Absolutely. doesn't know if his bosses found

:13:36. > :13:42.another volunteer to go undercover because he heard nothing more about

:13:43. > :13:48.the assignment. But what I do know is 23 years later, the Metropolitan

:13:48. > :13:55.Police still believe Lord Lucan is alive and living under a pseudonym

:13:55. > :14:01.thousands of miles away in Africa. To prove it, this is the 2002 case

:14:01. > :14:10.review file, and it makes fascinating reading. Up date upon

:14:10. > :14:20.current activity. Alleged sightings of Lucan in southern Africa.

:14:20. > :14:23.

:14:23. > :14:28.Photographs have been at York to do -- have been yielded. Remember what

:14:28. > :14:37.Shirley said? In structures were to make arrangements for John Bingham

:14:37. > :14:39.to see his children. Well, back that up with this 2002 police

:14:39. > :14:47.intelligence report and the likelihood that Lord Lucan did

:14:47. > :14:53.escape abroad news from a possibility to a probability. As

:14:53. > :14:59.for Sandra Rivett, his alleged victim, her resting place is here,

:14:59. > :15:05.in a corner of Croydon cemetery. think everyone has covered it up

:15:05. > :15:08.for whatever reason. I don't know. Probably because there were some

:15:08. > :15:18.wealthy and powerful people at that time and they did not want to upset

:15:18. > :15:19.

:15:19. > :15:25.them. If the police have got it right, then in 1979, Lord Lucan was

:15:25. > :15:29.making secret visits to a Scottish estate and in 2002, he was living

:15:29. > :15:34.in Mozambique under the pseudonym of John Crawford. If that is not

:15:34. > :15:41.enough, let us show you our third and potentially most explosive

:15:41. > :15:48.piece of evidence. Taken less than three weeks after the Murdoch on

:15:48. > :15:58.26th November 1974, this is the witness statement of Lord Lucan's

:15:58. > :15:58.

:15:58. > :16:05.older sister, who after the murder, temporarily looked after at the

:16:05. > :16:15.Lucan children. The first 12 pages detail the disintegration of the

:16:15. > :16:18.

:16:18. > :16:25.Lucan's marriage. But on page 13, a conversation is recounted between

:16:25. > :16:32.Lady Sarah and her knees. It tells of a mystery man living in the

:16:32. > :16:37.Lucan home in the weeks leading up to the murder of Santo Rivett.

:16:37. > :16:45.were talking about home. Camilla said the boy friend always stays

:16:45. > :16:50.upstairs while we have lunch. I said, what is his name? She said, I

:16:50. > :16:58.do not know, he has not told me. She said he lived in the house with

:16:58. > :17:03.them. I said there is nowhere for him to sleep. She said sometimes he

:17:03. > :17:10.sleeps in a nanny's grin and nanny sleeps with us. She said, sometimes

:17:10. > :17:20.he sleeps with mummy. It is not clear whether at the boyfriend was

:17:20. > :17:26.that of Lady Lucan or the nanny. I'm assuming that she meant than

:17:26. > :17:31.nanny. Lord Lucan's story, a Briton in a letter to his brother-in-law,

:17:31. > :17:37.was that he disturbed an intruder attacking a woman in the basement.

:17:37. > :17:42.When he tried to interrupt the fight, the man fled. It was never

:17:42. > :17:51.really taken seriously. In fact six months later, Lord Lucan was found

:17:51. > :18:01.guilty in his absence of the murder of Sandra Rivett by a coroner's

:18:01. > :18:02.

:18:02. > :18:11.Court jury. Lord Lucan's younger brother is still alive and lives in

:18:11. > :18:17.Johannesburg. It took two meetings with him before he agreed to talk

:18:17. > :18:22.on-camera. Naturally, I showed him what a work research had yielded up.

:18:22. > :18:31.Even after reading them, he was guarded, insisting at first that I

:18:31. > :18:38.stick to just 53 agreed questions. Lord Lucan's brother has never been

:18:38. > :18:41.interviewed on television Until now. Is it the first time that you heard

:18:41. > :18:46.of this second man the re in the house, or have there been whispers

:18:46. > :18:54.of it before? It is certainly the first time I have heard of a second

:18:54. > :19:01.man established in the house. did you feel when you read that?

:19:01. > :19:08.think I felt annoyed that this information had not come out at the

:19:08. > :19:17.time and it is clearly relevant to the situation and should, in my

:19:17. > :19:21.opinion, have been presented, certainly at their inquest.

:19:21. > :19:31.your system mentioned to you there was this other man in the house?

:19:31. > :19:32.

:19:32. > :19:38.Surely that would have been an excellent defence for your brother?

:19:38. > :19:43.In retrospect, yes. But I don't recall a conversation with her

:19:43. > :19:52.about that. Do you believe your brother Lord Lucan was innocent.

:19:52. > :19:57.do believe my brother was innocent. I think he realised immediately

:19:57. > :20:05.that the dice were very heavily loaded against him. That there was

:20:05. > :20:15.a considerable body of almost evidence that pointed towards him

:20:15. > :20:23.and not in any decisive way towards anyone else. He decided the only

:20:23. > :20:29.alternative was to remove himself on the picture. He chose to do that.

:20:29. > :20:37.How did he remove himself from the picture? Was he the sort of man to

:20:37. > :20:40.commit suicide? Or did he leave the UK? Those are not necessarily

:20:40. > :20:48.exhaustive possibilities. I don't believe he would have committed

:20:48. > :20:52.suicide. He was a man of considerable resourcefulness and

:20:52. > :20:57.therefore I would imagine... But again, I have absolutely no

:20:57. > :21:06.knowledge of anything along these lines that he used resources to

:21:06. > :21:10.remove himself from the picture. No more, no less. I think. What do you

:21:10. > :21:20.make of the 2002 Scotland Yard intelligence report that we showed

:21:20. > :21:28.

:21:28. > :21:32.you that mentions John Crawford living incognito? I have never come

:21:32. > :21:42.across that name. I think it is highly unlikely that my brother

:21:42. > :21:44.

:21:44. > :21:51.would be living in Mozambique. Joan Crawford is as good a name as any

:21:51. > :21:54.if you want to live incognito, but beyond that, absolutely nothing.

:21:54. > :22:02.you think he made the right decision to flee abroad? Some

:22:02. > :22:07.people have said that is the actions of a guilty man. There is

:22:07. > :22:17.that unfortunate factor, but it was his decision at the time and I am

:22:17. > :22:20.

:22:20. > :22:27.sure he made it in the for light of his knowledge of how the wheels of

:22:27. > :22:34.justice would grind away and that that would make his life unbearable

:22:34. > :22:40.if he stayed. Do you still think you but there is a live, what or is

:22:40. > :22:49.he now dead? He is likely to not be alive, but not through any suicide

:22:49. > :22:55.of his own, anything by his own hands, but just natural facts of

:22:55. > :23:03.nature. Why have you decided to talk to the BBC? A I am encouraged

:23:03. > :23:09.by the idea that there is a fresh source of evidence and that, I feel,

:23:09. > :23:15.wants to be given a fair hearing. This seems to me to be one way of

:23:15. > :23:19.achieving that. The detective sergeant who took the mystery man

:23:19. > :23:25.witness statement back in 1974 is still alive and enjoying his

:23:25. > :23:35.retirement. His name is Graeme Forsyth. This is the first time he

:23:35. > :23:35.

:23:35. > :23:42.has spoken about the horrific scene he walk into. There was an awful

:23:42. > :23:49.lot of blood around. The poor woman had been folded up and placed in

:23:49. > :23:53.this large canvas sack. In the days and weeks after the murder, DS for

:23:53. > :24:03.site became Lady Lucan's bodyguard and the lead detective on the

:24:03. > :24:08.

:24:09. > :24:17.ground. Is that the right format? It certainly is. I probably took

:24:17. > :24:27.this statement. Up he was the mystery man? -- who was the mystery

:24:27. > :24:30.

:24:30. > :24:35.man? As far as I can recall, Sandra Rivett had a boyfriend. I think,

:24:35. > :24:44.and I can't be certain, he was a seaman. He may have been a

:24:44. > :24:48.Norwegian. On the occasion, he may have stayed overnight. The young

:24:48. > :24:53.girl told me he occasionally stayed, but that is as far as I can take

:24:54. > :25:03.that. Isn't that incredibly important? It potentially puts

:25:04. > :25:04.

:25:04. > :25:10.another man in the House in the days and weeks before the murder.

:25:10. > :25:17.Was the mystery man traced? wasn't. There was no doubt in our

:25:17. > :25:22.mind as to who the murderer was. she was telling the truth, Camilla,

:25:22. > :25:28.when she told the story to her aunt and then her aunt's relate the

:25:28. > :25:33.story to you? I see no reason for it not to be true. She was a little

:25:33. > :25:43.girl. Was used to pride that Lady Lucan would have allowed a

:25:43. > :25:48.Norwegian sailor into her family home? It's not for me to say.

:25:48. > :25:53.he was never traced? As far as I am aware. We wrote to Lady Lucan

:25:53. > :25:58.asking for her views on the witness statement, but we have not received

:25:58. > :26:03.a reply. It is a crime that has perplexed beat nation for nearly

:26:03. > :26:09.four decades. A grisly murder in Belgravia and a vanishing peer of

:26:09. > :26:14.the realm. But still fresh evidence continues to surface. Like three

:26:14. > :26:21.boxes hidden away in a Sussex laughed. If you have not come

:26:21. > :26:27.calling, they would still be stuck in the loft. Two secret police

:26:27. > :26:31.intelligence reports that say Lucan escape to brought a renewed life.

:26:31. > :26:35.It is a pity Scotland Yard didn't put enough resources into finding

:26:35. > :26:41.him. And by far the most intriguing, this witness statement about the

:26:41. > :26:49.mystery man, who was living in the Lucan family home in the days and

:26:49. > :26:56.weeks before the murder, the murder of Neil Berryman's mother. I am

:26:56. > :27:01.still baffled by this second person. I can't deal with that in my head.

:27:01. > :27:04.If there is another murderer, I need to get to the bottom of it. I

:27:04. > :27:10.need to know who and why the police have done nothing about it and what

:27:10. > :27:18.they are going to do about it now. But basically, it is justice for my

:27:18. > :27:24.mother. I want to know the truth. Lord Lucan's brother believes this

:27:24. > :27:30.witness a man could be grounds for a review of the 1975's coroners

:27:30. > :27:38.guilty verdict. I just hope that now, in the way that the evidence

:27:38. > :27:46.seems to be gathering, that maybe the inquest result could be set

:27:46. > :27:54.aside and if that happened, then a warrant of arrest would fall away

:27:54. > :28:00.and my brother's situation would be restored to the normal situation of

:28:00. > :28:04.a man innocent until proven guilty. And if that happens, it begs the

:28:04. > :28:14.question, if Lord Lucan did not murder of Sandra Rivett, then he

:28:14. > :28:16.

:28:16. > :28:20.did? -- then who did? That was Glen Campbell with that

:28:20. > :28:26.special report. If you want any more information on tonight's show,

:28:26. > :28:33.you can go to our Kent or Sussex websites. You can also watch the

:28:33. > :28:39.programme again on iPlayer. Coming on next week - what happens to

:28:39. > :28:45.young people when they need care and have no parents to turn to?

:28:45. > :28:51.the moment I am are here on the streets, fighting for survival.