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:00:02. > :00:07.The family being chased for more The family being chased for more

:00:07. > :00:09.The family being chased for more than �400,000 of debt. You must

:00:09. > :00:10.than �400,000 of debt. You must than �400,000 of debt. You must

:00:10. > :00:12.have been under immense pressure, have been under immense pressure,

:00:12. > :00:13.have been under immense pressure, have been under immense pressure,

:00:13. > :00:13.how have you coped? It has been how have you coped? It has been

:00:13. > :00:14.how have you coped? It has been how have you coped? It has been

:00:14. > :00:16.horrible and I have lost six years horrible and I have lost six years

:00:16. > :00:17.horrible and I have lost six years horrible and I have lost six years

:00:17. > :00:18.of my life through worried and I of my life through worried and I

:00:18. > :00:19.of my life through worried and I cannot see any end in sight.

:00:19. > :00:20.cannot see any end in sight. cannot see any end in sight.

:00:20. > :00:21.cannot see any end in sight. Fathers in prison - how much should

:00:21. > :00:25.Fathers in prison - how much should Fathers in prison - how much should

:00:25. > :00:27.they be in touch with their they be in touch with their

:00:27. > :00:28.they be in touch with their they be in touch with their

:00:28. > :00:31.children? As far as he is concerned, children? As far as he is concerned,

:00:31. > :00:32.children? As far as he is concerned, children? As far as he is concerned,

:00:32. > :00:33.Daddy is at work. The impact is huge.

:00:33. > :00:34.huge. huge.

:00:34. > :00:35.And when Kent was nuked. We And when Kent was nuked. We

:00:35. > :00:36.And when Kent was nuked. We And when Kent was nuked. We

:00:36. > :00:37.discover the film the BBC banned in discover the film the BBC banned in

:00:37. > :00:47.discover the film the BBC banned in discover the film the BBC banned in

:00:47. > :00:49.discover the film the BBC banned in 1965 and the people who were in it..

:00:49. > :00:52.1965 and the people who were in it.. 1965 and the people who were in it..

:00:52. > :00:54.We were playing the film crew We were playing the film crew

:00:54. > :00:55.We were playing the film crew We were playing the film crew

:00:55. > :00:55.turned up, and they said, could we turned up, and they said, could we

:00:55. > :00:57.turned up, and they said, could we turned up, and they said, could we

:00:57. > :00:58.turn up and shout, and that was us. turn up and shout, and that was us.

:00:58. > :00:59.turn up and shout, and that was us. I'm Natalie Graham with untold

:00:59. > :01:00.I'm Natalie Graham with untold I'm Natalie Graham with untold

:01:00. > :01:01.stories, closer to home. From all stories, closer to home. From all

:01:01. > :01:11.stories, closer to home. From all round the South East, this is

:01:11. > :01:22.

:01:22. > :01:23.Hello, I'm in Dunorlan Park in Hello, I'm in Dunorlan Park in

:01:23. > :01:24.Hello, I'm in Dunorlan Park in Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe

:01:24. > :01:25.Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe

:01:25. > :01:25.Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe Tunbridge Wells. Would you believe

:01:25. > :01:26.it, it used to be the back of a it, it used to be the back of a

:01:26. > :01:27.it, it used to be the back of a it, it used to be the back of a

:01:27. > :01:28.posh house that burnt down in 1957. posh house that burnt down in 1957.

:01:28. > :01:29.posh house that burnt down in 1957. posh house that burnt down in 1957.

:01:29. > :01:30.First up, with a tale of the First up, with a tale of the

:01:30. > :01:33.First up, with a tale of the dangers of debt, it's Glenn

:01:33. > :01:42.Campbell. Campbell.

:01:42. > :01:43.Campbell. Medway County Court, Chatham. Every

:01:43. > :01:44.Medway County Court, Chatham. Every Medway County Court, Chatham. Every

:01:44. > :01:45.Thursday is dedicated to people who Thursday is dedicated to people who

:01:45. > :01:46.Thursday is dedicated to people who have fallen into debt. It's

:01:46. > :01:48.have fallen into debt. It's have fallen into debt. It's

:01:48. > :01:49.nicknamed Repo Day. That's short nicknamed Repo Day. That's short

:01:49. > :01:50.nicknamed Repo Day. That's short for repossession. And you only have

:01:50. > :01:51.for repossession. And you only have for repossession. And you only have

:01:51. > :01:52.for repossession. And you only have to look at the stats to understand

:01:52. > :01:53.to look at the stats to understand to look at the stats to understand

:01:53. > :01:56.why the Medway Towns have a why the Medway Towns have a

:01:56. > :01:57.why the Medway Towns have a dedicated debt day in court. You

:01:57. > :01:58.dedicated debt day in court. You dedicated debt day in court. You

:01:58. > :01:59.see, last year this study ranked see, last year this study ranked

:01:59. > :02:00.see, last year this study ranked the Medway Unitary Authority third

:02:00. > :02:01.the Medway Unitary Authority third the Medway Unitary Authority third

:02:01. > :02:09.for repossessions in the whole of for repossessions in the whole of

:02:09. > :02:11.for repossessions in the whole of the South East. When I first

:02:11. > :02:13.the South East. When I first the South East. When I first

:02:13. > :02:14.started attending the court in 2001, started attending the court in 2001,

:02:14. > :02:15.started attending the court in 2001, started attending the court in 2001,

:02:15. > :02:17.there was one drug for the morning. there was one drug for the morning.

:02:17. > :02:20.there was one drug for the morning. We've now got normally two judges

:02:20. > :02:21.We've now got normally two judges We've now got normally two judges

:02:21. > :02:22.We've now got normally two judges for the whole day. And as more and

:02:22. > :02:22.for the whole day. And as more and for the whole day. And as more and

:02:22. > :02:23.for the whole day. And as more and more people walk out of this court

:02:23. > :02:24.more people walk out of this court more people walk out of this court

:02:24. > :02:25.more people walk out of this court on Repo Day, many of them will

:02:25. > :02:26.on Repo Day, many of them will on Repo Day, many of them will

:02:26. > :02:27.on Repo Day, many of them will grasp at any solution, good or not

:02:27. > :02:28.grasp at any solution, good or not grasp at any solution, good or not

:02:28. > :02:29.so good, that comes their way. so good, that comes their way.

:02:29. > :02:30.so good, that comes their way. so good, that comes their way.

:02:30. > :02:31.Offers of a financial fix that can Offers of a financial fix that can

:02:31. > :02:38.Offers of a financial fix that can result in losing your most prized

:02:38. > :02:39.result in losing your most prized result in losing your most prized

:02:39. > :02:40.result in losing your most prized asset, your home. It is a home to

:02:40. > :02:42.asset, your home. It is a home to asset, your home. It is a home to

:02:42. > :02:44.somebody. If you are losing your somebody. If you are losing your

:02:44. > :02:45.somebody. If you are losing your somebody. If you are losing your

:02:45. > :02:46.home, you clutch at any straw you home, you clutch at any straw you

:02:46. > :02:47.home, you clutch at any straw you home, you clutch at any straw you

:02:47. > :02:47.can see. And clutch at any straw is can see. And clutch at any straw is

:02:47. > :02:48.can see. And clutch at any straw is exactly what the Hindmarsh family

:02:48. > :02:49.exactly what the Hindmarsh family exactly what the Hindmarsh family

:02:49. > :02:50.from Sittingbourne in Kent did. For from Sittingbourne in Kent did. For

:02:50. > :02:51.from Sittingbourne in Kent did. For from Sittingbourne in Kent did. For

:02:51. > :02:52.them, it all started back in 2007 them, it all started back in 2007

:02:52. > :02:53.them, it all started back in 2007 when Mandy fell behind paying the

:02:53. > :02:56.when Mandy fell behind paying the when Mandy fell behind paying the

:02:56. > :02:57.tax bills for her husband's courier tax bills for her husband's courier

:02:57. > :02:58.tax bills for her husband's courier van business. That failure led to

:02:58. > :02:59.van business. That failure led to van business. That failure led to

:02:59. > :03:00.Steve being declared bankrupt at Steve being declared bankrupt at

:03:00. > :03:01.Steve being declared bankrupt at Steve being declared bankrupt at

:03:01. > :03:02.Medway County Court and it was then, Medway County Court and it was then,

:03:02. > :03:09.Medway County Court and it was then, desperate for money, that they were

:03:09. > :03:10.desperate for money, that they were desperate for money, that they were

:03:10. > :03:11.thrown a lifeline. Somebody turned thrown a lifeline. Somebody turned

:03:11. > :03:12.thrown a lifeline. Somebody turned thrown a lifeline. Somebody turned

:03:12. > :03:13.up at the front door telling me up at the front door telling me

:03:13. > :03:14.up at the front door telling me up at the front door telling me

:03:14. > :03:16.they were going to help. That they they were going to help. That they

:03:16. > :03:18.they were going to help. That they were going to get the bankruptcy

:03:18. > :03:19.were going to get the bankruptcy were going to get the bankruptcy

:03:19. > :03:20.annulled. All the debts paid. annulled. All the debts paid.

:03:20. > :03:21.annulled. All the debts paid. Everything would be fine. As if

:03:21. > :03:23.Everything would be fine. As if Everything would be fine. As if

:03:23. > :03:25.nothing had ever happened, and it nothing had ever happened, and it

:03:25. > :03:26.nothing had ever happened, and it was my knight in shining armour.

:03:26. > :03:27.was my knight in shining armour. was my knight in shining armour.

:03:27. > :03:29.was my knight in shining armour. This is the company that offered to

:03:29. > :03:30.This is the company that offered to This is the company that offered to

:03:30. > :03:31.erase the Hindmarshes' debt. Called erase the Hindmarshes' debt. Called

:03:31. > :03:32.erase the Hindmarshes' debt. Called the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd,

:03:32. > :03:33.the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd, the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd,

:03:33. > :03:34.and linked to a sister company and linked to a sister company

:03:34. > :03:35.called Consolidated Finance Ltd, called Consolidated Finance Ltd,

:03:35. > :03:39.called Consolidated Finance Ltd, they're based in these offices in

:03:39. > :03:40.they're based in these offices in they're based in these offices in

:03:40. > :03:41.Manchester. They claimed that their Manchester. They claimed that their

:03:41. > :03:42.Manchester. They claimed that their Manchester. They claimed that their

:03:42. > :03:43.service was set up to save people service was set up to save people

:03:43. > :03:49.service was set up to save people service was set up to save people

:03:49. > :03:50.from losing their home as a result from losing their home as a result

:03:50. > :03:51.from losing their home as a result of bankruptcy. When somebody is

:03:51. > :03:52.of bankruptcy. When somebody is of bankruptcy. When somebody is

:03:52. > :03:53.declared bankrupt, it goes into the declared bankrupt, it goes into the

:03:54. > :03:54.declared bankrupt, it goes into the declared bankrupt, it goes into the

:03:54. > :03:55.paper, so they must have picked it paper, so they must have picked it

:03:56. > :03:56.paper, so they must have picked it paper, so they must have picked it

:03:56. > :03:57.up from there. The tax debt that up from there. The tax debt that

:03:57. > :03:58.forced the Hindmarshes into forced the Hindmarshes into

:03:58. > :03:59.bankruptcy totalled just over bankruptcy totalled just over

:03:59. > :04:00.bankruptcy totalled just over bankruptcy totalled just over

:04:00. > :04:01.�27,000. On top of that, they were �27,000. On top of that, they were

:04:01. > :04:02.�27,000. On top of that, they were behind, to the tune of several

:04:02. > :04:03.behind, to the tune of several behind, to the tune of several

:04:03. > :04:07.thousand pounds, with payments to a thousand pounds, with payments to a

:04:07. > :04:09.thousand pounds, with payments to a variety of credit card companies.

:04:09. > :04:10.variety of credit card companies. variety of credit card companies.

:04:10. > :04:11.variety of credit card companies. He said they would give us a loan

:04:11. > :04:13.He said they would give us a loan He said they would give us a loan

:04:13. > :04:14.to get through mortgage, all the to get through mortgage, all the

:04:14. > :04:16.to get through mortgage, all the paperwork, paying off all our

:04:16. > :04:17.paperwork, paying off all our paperwork, paying off all our

:04:17. > :04:18.creditors, paying off the tax, and creditors, paying off the tax, and

:04:18. > :04:19.creditors, paying off the tax, and we would have a clean slate,

:04:19. > :04:21.we would have a clean slate, we would have a clean slate,

:04:21. > :04:22.nothing to worry about. He even nothing to worry about. He even

:04:22. > :04:24.nothing to worry about. He even said our mortgage payments would be

:04:24. > :04:26.said our mortgage payments would be said our mortgage payments would be

:04:26. > :04:27.said our mortgage payments would be less than we were paying. What can

:04:27. > :04:28.less than we were paying. What can less than we were paying. What can

:04:28. > :04:33.less than we were paying. What can you say? Thank you? Where did it go

:04:33. > :04:35.you say? Thank you? Where did it go you say? Thank you? Where did it go

:04:35. > :04:38.you say? Thank you? Where did it go wrong? It was a fantastic deal. He

:04:38. > :04:39.wrong? It was a fantastic deal. He wrong? It was a fantastic deal. He

:04:39. > :04:42.wrong? It was a fantastic deal. He said... It is engraved in my brain,

:04:42. > :04:45.said... It is engraved in my brain, said... It is engraved in my brain,

:04:45. > :04:46.we guarantee you, As, hyphenated, we guarantee you, As, hyphenated,

:04:46. > :04:48.we guarantee you, As, hyphenated, highlighted, we guarantee you a

:04:48. > :04:49.highlighted, we guarantee you a highlighted, we guarantee you a

:04:49. > :04:53.remortgage. So the deal looked a remortgage. So the deal looked a

:04:53. > :04:55.remortgage. So the deal looked a winner for everyone. Yes, they paid

:04:55. > :04:56.winner for everyone. Yes, they paid winner for everyone. Yes, they paid

:04:57. > :04:58.winner for everyone. Yes, they paid the tax man, they paid all that

:04:58. > :04:59.the tax man, they paid all that the tax man, they paid all that

:04:59. > :05:00.unsecured creditors. And we were unsecured creditors. And we were

:05:00. > :05:01.unsecured creditors. And we were sailing and happy. Until that

:05:01. > :05:02.sailing and happy. Until that crucial re-mortgage guaranteed by

:05:02. > :05:02.crucial re-mortgage guaranteed by crucial re-mortgage guaranteed by

:05:02. > :05:06.the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd

:05:06. > :05:09.the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd failed to materialize. So let's

:05:09. > :05:10.failed to materialize. So let's failed to materialize. So let's

:05:10. > :05:11.fast forward six years. It's now fast forward six years. It's now

:05:11. > :05:12.fast forward six years. It's now 2013 and the �47,000 original debt

:05:12. > :05:13.2013 and the �47,000 original debt 2013 and the �47,000 original debt

:05:13. > :05:22.the Hindmarshes had with Bankruptcy the Hindmarshes had with Bankruptcy

:05:22. > :05:24.Protection Fund has reached... Protection Fund has reached...

:05:24. > :05:25.Protection Fund has reached... Think of a figure... Well, �400,000.

:05:25. > :05:26.Think of a figure... Well, �400,000. Think of a figure... Well, �400,000.

:05:26. > :05:27.Christopher Holmes is the director Christopher Holmes is the director

:05:27. > :05:29.Christopher Holmes is the director of the Bankruptcy Protection Fund

:05:29. > :05:30.of the Bankruptcy Protection Fund of the Bankruptcy Protection Fund

:05:30. > :05:31.of the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd. He is also the Director of

:05:31. > :05:32.Ltd. He is also the Director of Ltd. He is also the Director of

:05:32. > :05:33.Consolidated Finance Ltd as well as Consolidated Finance Ltd as well as

:05:33. > :05:34.Consolidated Finance Ltd as well as a host of other debt solutions

:05:34. > :05:38.a host of other debt solutions a host of other debt solutions

:05:38. > :05:38.firms registered here in Manchester. firms registered here in Manchester.

:05:38. > :05:39.firms registered here in Manchester. firms registered here in Manchester.

:05:39. > :05:40.When I called Mr Holmes to ask for When I called Mr Holmes to ask for

:05:40. > :05:41.When I called Mr Holmes to ask for an interview to discuss the

:05:41. > :05:44.an interview to discuss the an interview to discuss the

:05:44. > :05:45.Hindmarshes' and other cases he Hindmarshes' and other cases he

:05:45. > :05:46.politely declined. Instead, we politely declined. Instead, we

:05:46. > :05:49.politely declined. Instead, we began to correspond via Bankruptcy

:05:49. > :05:50.began to correspond via Bankruptcy began to correspond via Bankruptcy

:05:50. > :05:52.Protection Fund's lawyers. And not Protection Fund's lawyers. And not

:05:52. > :05:53.Protection Fund's lawyers. And not just any lawyers. Nope, Mr Holmes

:05:53. > :05:53.just any lawyers. Nope, Mr Holmes just any lawyers. Nope, Mr Holmes

:05:53. > :05:54.instructed Mishcon De Reya, a instructed Mishcon De Reya, a

:05:54. > :06:01.prestigious firm of London prestigious firm of London

:06:01. > :06:02.solicitors with a fearsome solicitors with a fearsome

:06:02. > :06:03.solicitors with a fearsome reputation. So, how could Mr Holmes

:06:03. > :06:04.reputation. So, how could Mr Holmes reputation. So, how could Mr Holmes

:06:04. > :06:11.justify a �47,000 loan spiralling justify a �47,000 loan spiralling

:06:11. > :06:12.justify a �47,000 loan spiralling into a �400,000 plus debt? Well,

:06:12. > :06:12.into a �400,000 plus debt? Well, into a �400,000 plus debt? Well,

:06:12. > :06:22.into a �400,000 plus debt? Well, when we asked they came back with

:06:22. > :06:24.

:06:24. > :06:25.Well maybe they hadn't read their Well maybe they hadn't read their

:06:25. > :06:26.Well maybe they hadn't read their Well maybe they hadn't read their

:06:26. > :06:27.own paperwork. You see, in April of own paperwork. You see, in April of

:06:27. > :06:28.own paperwork. You see, in April of last year, Consolidated Finance Ltd

:06:28. > :06:29.last year, Consolidated Finance Ltd last year, Consolidated Finance Ltd

:06:29. > :06:30.lodged this document in court lodged this document in court

:06:30. > :06:37.lodged this document in court chasing the Hindmarshes for the sum

:06:37. > :06:45.chasing the Hindmarshes for the sum of �326,309.64... Excluding legal

:06:45. > :06:46.of �326,309.64... Excluding legal of �326,309.64... Excluding legal

:06:46. > :06:48.costs. And the biggest change all costs. And the biggest change all

:06:48. > :06:49.costs. And the biggest change all costs. And the biggest change all

:06:50. > :06:51.that time. I don't think they know that time. I don't think they know

:06:51. > :06:52.themselves. They are getting themselves. They are getting

:06:52. > :06:54.themselves. They are getting numbers, mixing them up, and saying,

:06:54. > :06:55.numbers, mixing them up, and saying, numbers, mixing them up, and saying,

:06:55. > :06:58.numbers, mixing them up, and saying, that is how much we will ask for

:06:58. > :07:00.that is how much we will ask for that is how much we will ask for

:07:00. > :07:01.that is how much we will ask for this time. It is 350, for 20, for

:07:01. > :07:03.this time. It is 350, for 20, for this time. It is 350, for 20, for

:07:03. > :07:04.this time. It is 350, for 20, for 50. I don't know. I had her crying

:07:04. > :07:05.50. I don't know. I had her crying 50. I don't know. I had her crying

:07:05. > :07:07.50. I don't know. I had her crying on the telephone, mum, what am I

:07:07. > :07:08.on the telephone, mum, what am I on the telephone, mum, what am I

:07:08. > :07:09.on the telephone, mum, what am I going to do? It breaks my heart

:07:09. > :07:11.going to do? It breaks my heart going to do? It breaks my heart

:07:11. > :07:13.because she works so hard. She because she works so hard. She

:07:13. > :07:17.because she works so hard. She keeps a lovely home. She looks

:07:17. > :07:19.keeps a lovely home. She looks keeps a lovely home. She looks

:07:19. > :07:20.after Brad. It breaks my heart. after Brad. It breaks my heart.

:07:20. > :07:22.after Brad. It breaks my heart. What's it been like, living this

:07:22. > :07:24.What's it been like, living this What's it been like, living this

:07:24. > :07:26.last six years? It has been last six years? It has been

:07:26. > :07:27.last six years? It has been horrible, it has been an absolute

:07:27. > :07:28.horrible, it has been an absolute horrible, it has been an absolute

:07:28. > :07:29.nightmare. I've got a disabled nightmare. I've got a disabled

:07:29. > :07:30.nightmare. I've got a disabled nightmare. I've got a disabled

:07:30. > :07:31.child, we've got to be strong for child, we've got to be strong for

:07:31. > :07:33.child, we've got to be strong for child, we've got to be strong for

:07:33. > :07:35.him. I work long hours, he works him. I work long hours, he works

:07:35. > :07:36.him. I work long hours, he works him. I work long hours, he works

:07:36. > :07:37.long hours. And we pay our way as long hours. And we pay our way as

:07:37. > :07:38.long hours. And we pay our way as we go. Consolidated Finance Ltd,

:07:38. > :07:39.we go. Consolidated Finance Ltd, sister firm to Bankruptcy

:07:39. > :07:40.sister firm to Bankruptcy sister firm to Bankruptcy

:07:40. > :07:40.Protection Fund, are still trying Protection Fund, are still trying

:07:40. > :07:41.Protection Fund, are still trying to repossess the Hindmarshes' home

:07:41. > :07:42.to repossess the Hindmarshes' home to repossess the Hindmarshes' home

:07:42. > :07:43.even after all these years. So, even after all these years. So,

:07:43. > :07:45.even after all these years. So, even after all these years. So,

:07:45. > :07:46.what exactly had they signed up to? what exactly had they signed up to?

:07:46. > :07:47.what exactly had they signed up to? what exactly had they signed up to?

:07:47. > :07:52.To find out, I took the contract to To find out, I took the contract to

:07:52. > :07:53.To find out, I took the contract to an insolvency lawyer. It took

:07:53. > :07:54.an insolvency lawyer. It took an insolvency lawyer. It took

:07:54. > :07:55.an insolvency lawyer. It took several hours to go through it so

:07:55. > :07:56.several hours to go through it so several hours to go through it so

:07:56. > :07:57.several hours to go through it so for a lay person it would have

:07:57. > :07:58.for a lay person it would have for a lay person it would have

:07:58. > :07:59.for a lay person it would have taken them an awfully long time to

:07:59. > :08:00.taken them an awfully long time to taken them an awfully long time to

:08:00. > :08:01.taken them an awfully long time to figure out what is going on and

:08:01. > :08:01.figure out what is going on and figure out what is going on and

:08:01. > :08:04.probably they wouldn't have managed probably they wouldn't have managed

:08:04. > :08:05.probably they wouldn't have managed probably they wouldn't have managed

:08:05. > :08:07.it at all. So, what did they signed, it at all. So, what did they signed,

:08:07. > :08:09.it at all. So, what did they signed, in plain English? They signed a

:08:09. > :08:10.in plain English? They signed a contract which apparently for

:08:10. > :08:11.contract which apparently for contract which apparently for

:08:11. > :08:13.contract which apparently for �5,000 was meant to get them out of

:08:13. > :08:13.�5,000 was meant to get them out of �5,000 was meant to get them out of

:08:13. > :08:15.the bankruptcy. What would happen the bankruptcy. What would happen

:08:15. > :08:16.the bankruptcy. What would happen would be the bankruptcy protection

:08:16. > :08:18.would be the bankruptcy protection would be the bankruptcy protection

:08:18. > :08:20.fund would apply for an annulment fund would apply for an annulment

:08:20. > :08:20.fund would apply for an annulment of the bankruptcy. That means the

:08:20. > :08:21.of the bankruptcy. That means the of the bankruptcy. That means the

:08:21. > :08:23.bankruptcy order gets taken away bankruptcy order gets taken away

:08:23. > :08:24.bankruptcy order gets taken away bankruptcy order gets taken away

:08:24. > :08:25.completely as if it has never been completely as if it has never been

:08:25. > :08:26.completely as if it has never been made in the first place. Basically,

:08:26. > :08:28.made in the first place. Basically, made in the first place. Basically,

:08:28. > :08:29.made in the first place. Basically, all the debts are paid off and they

:08:29. > :08:30.all the debts are paid off and they all the debts are paid off and they

:08:30. > :08:33.all the debts are paid off and they are free. It is a very attractive

:08:33. > :08:34.are free. It is a very attractive are free. It is a very attractive

:08:34. > :08:35.proposition. But as you dig deeper proposition. But as you dig deeper

:08:35. > :08:36.proposition. But as you dig deeper into the contract and to the

:08:36. > :08:37.into the contract and to the into the contract and to the

:08:37. > :08:40.clauses, what is actually had no clauses, what is actually had no

:08:40. > :08:41.clauses, what is actually had no way? What did you find?

:08:41. > :08:43.way? What did you find? way? What did you find?

:08:43. > :08:44.expectation there would be a charge expectation there would be a charge

:08:44. > :08:46.expectation there would be a charge for the property granted to

:08:46. > :08:48.for the property granted to for the property granted to

:08:48. > :08:49.somebody else, actually, not the somebody else, actually, not the

:08:49. > :08:50.bankruptcy protection from. They bankruptcy protection from. They

:08:50. > :08:51.bankruptcy protection from. They thought they were dealing with one

:08:51. > :08:53.thought they were dealing with one thought they were dealing with one

:08:53. > :08:54.company and actually another one company and actually another one

:08:54. > :08:56.company and actually another one was involved. They thought they

:08:56. > :08:57.was involved. They thought they was involved. They thought they

:08:57. > :08:58.were getting long-term finance and were getting long-term finance and

:08:58. > :08:59.were getting long-term finance and were getting long-term finance and

:08:59. > :09:00.when you look at what they were when you look at what they were

:09:00. > :09:01.when you look at what they were getting, they were getting finance

:09:01. > :09:02.getting, they were getting finance getting, they were getting finance

:09:02. > :09:04.for three months, so a bridging for three months, so a bridging

:09:04. > :09:05.for three months, so a bridging for three months, so a bridging

:09:05. > :09:08.loan. It looked as though they were loan. It looked as though they were

:09:08. > :09:09.loan. It looked as though they were paying 3% interest but after 18

:09:09. > :09:12.paying 3% interest but after 18 paying 3% interest but after 18

:09:12. > :09:13.months, they found their debt had months, they found their debt had

:09:13. > :09:15.months, they found their debt had been doubled. In 2010, three years

:09:15. > :09:15.been doubled. In 2010, three years been doubled. In 2010, three years

:09:15. > :09:17.been doubled. In 2010, three years after they had signed up for the

:09:17. > :09:19.after they had signed up for the after they had signed up for the

:09:19. > :09:29.deal, both firms came under deal, both firms came under

:09:29. > :09:33.

:09:33. > :09:34.sustained criticism from the Office of Fair Trading. Bankruptcy

:09:34. > :09:35.of Fair Trading. Bankruptcy Protection Fund and Consolidated

:09:35. > :09:36.Protection Fund and Consolidated Protection Fund and Consolidated

:09:36. > :09:37.Finance Ltd were warned they must Finance Ltd were warned they must

:09:37. > :09:38.Finance Ltd were warned they must change their practices as they had

:09:38. > :09:39.change their practices as they had change their practices as they had

:09:39. > :09:40.not been transparent in their not been transparent in their

:09:40. > :09:41.not been transparent in their dealings with customers and failed

:09:41. > :09:41.dealings with customers and failed dealings with customers and failed

:09:42. > :09:42.to adequately outline the risks to adequately outline the risks

:09:42. > :09:43.to adequately outline the risks involved. Now, in their defence

:09:43. > :09:44.involved. Now, in their defence involved. Now, in their defence

:09:44. > :09:45.both the Bankruptcy Protection Fund both the Bankruptcy Protection Fund

:09:45. > :09:46.and their sister company and their sister company

:09:46. > :09:47.Consolidated Finance claim they've Consolidated Finance claim they've

:09:47. > :09:48.addressed the problems identified addressed the problems identified

:09:48. > :09:49.addressed the problems identified addressed the problems identified

:09:49. > :09:50.by the OFT back in 2010. But that by the OFT back in 2010. But that

:09:50. > :09:51.by the OFT back in 2010. But that hasn't stopped them from continuing

:09:51. > :09:52.hasn't stopped them from continuing hasn't stopped them from continuing

:09:52. > :09:53.to chase Mandy and Steve for to chase Mandy and Steve for

:09:53. > :09:54.to chase Mandy and Steve for repossession of their home and in

:09:54. > :09:55.repossession of their home and in repossession of their home and in

:09:55. > :09:56.doing so getting themselves into doing so getting themselves into

:09:56. > :09:56.doing so getting themselves into doing so getting themselves into

:09:57. > :09:57.hot water with a judge when it was hot water with a judge when it was

:09:57. > :09:58.discovered the Hindmarshes' discovered the Hindmarshes'

:09:58. > :10:08.discovered the Hindmarshes' signatures on a crucial document

:10:08. > :10:09.

:10:09. > :10:09.signatures on a crucial document signatures on a crucial document

:10:09. > :10:11.had been falsely witnessed. Witness had been falsely witnessed. Witness

:10:11. > :10:13.had been falsely witnessed. Witness signatures had not been witnessed

:10:13. > :10:14.signatures had not been witnessed signatures had not been witnessed

:10:14. > :10:15.signatures had not been witnessed at all. They had tried to put

:10:15. > :10:18.at all. They had tried to put at all. They had tried to put

:10:18. > :10:19.Rogers on the property. They wanted Rogers on the property. They wanted

:10:19. > :10:19.Rogers on the property. They wanted Rogers on the property. They wanted

:10:20. > :10:21.the house. They had no idea of the house. They had no idea of

:10:21. > :10:21.the house. They had no idea of getting a mortgage. They didn't

:10:21. > :10:23.getting a mortgage. They didn't getting a mortgage. They didn't

:10:23. > :10:24.know what they were doing. Instead know what they were doing. Instead

:10:24. > :10:25.know what they were doing. Instead of winning the case against the

:10:25. > :10:26.of winning the case against the Hindmarshes, Consolidated Finance

:10:26. > :10:27.Hindmarshes, Consolidated Finance Hindmarshes, Consolidated Finance

:10:27. > :10:28.Limited were criticised for slap- Limited were criticised for slap-

:10:28. > :10:29.Limited were criticised for slap- dash litigation. The case was

:10:29. > :10:30.dash litigation. The case was dash litigation. The case was

:10:30. > :10:32.thrown out and the couple were thrown out and the couple were

:10:32. > :10:33.thrown out and the couple were awarded legal costs. When we asked

:10:33. > :10:34.awarded legal costs. When we asked Chris Holmes, Director of

:10:34. > :10:35.Chris Holmes, Director of Consolidated Finance Limited and

:10:35. > :10:36.Consolidated Finance Limited and Bankruptcy Protection Fund about

:10:36. > :10:37.Bankruptcy Protection Fund about Bankruptcy Protection Fund about

:10:37. > :10:47.Bankruptcy Protection Fund about this, via his lawyers, he tried to

:10:47. > :10:51.

:10:51. > :10:52.this, via his lawyers, he tried to Mr Holmes' right hand man is

:10:52. > :10:53.Mr Holmes' right hand man is Mr Holmes' right hand man is

:10:53. > :10:53.Michael Seward, general manager of Michael Seward, general manager of

:10:53. > :10:57.Michael Seward, general manager of both Bankruptcy Protection Fund and

:10:57. > :10:58.both Bankruptcy Protection Fund and both Bankruptcy Protection Fund and

:10:58. > :10:59.Consolidated Finance. It was Mr Consolidated Finance. It was Mr

:10:59. > :11:00.Consolidated Finance. It was Mr Seward who gave evidence against

:11:00. > :11:00.Seward who gave evidence against Seward who gave evidence against

:11:00. > :11:01.the Hindmarshes at County Court, the Hindmarshes at County Court,

:11:01. > :11:02.the Hindmarshes at County Court, the Hindmarshes at County Court,

:11:02. > :11:03.and when it comes to appearing in and when it comes to appearing in

:11:03. > :11:07.and when it comes to appearing in court, Mr Seward's got quite a

:11:07. > :11:08.court, Mr Seward's got quite a court, Mr Seward's got quite a

:11:08. > :11:08.record. You see, here's his record. You see, here's his

:11:08. > :11:09.record. You see, here's his Companies House Director form for

:11:09. > :11:10.Companies House Director form for Companies House Director form for

:11:10. > :11:16.Companies House Director form for 2005, where he lists himself as a

:11:16. > :11:17.2005, where he lists himself as a 2005, where he lists himself as a

:11:17. > :11:18.solicitor. Problem is, in 1999 solicitor. Problem is, in 1999

:11:18. > :11:18.solicitor. Problem is, in 1999 solicitor. Problem is, in 1999

:11:19. > :11:19.Michael Seward was struck off as a Michael Seward was struck off as a

:11:20. > :11:21.Michael Seward was struck off as a solicitor and sent to prison for

:11:21. > :11:29.solicitor and sent to prison for solicitor and sent to prison for

:11:29. > :11:31.six months for false accounting. six months for false accounting.

:11:31. > :11:31.six months for false accounting. six months for false accounting.

:11:31. > :11:32.Shouldn't be trusted at all. He is Shouldn't be trusted at all. He is

:11:33. > :11:33.Shouldn't be trusted at all. He is Shouldn't be trusted at all. He is

:11:33. > :11:34.a dishonest man. Keith Freer is a a dishonest man. Keith Freer is a

:11:34. > :11:35.a dishonest man. Keith Freer is a solicitor. Back in 1997, he was

:11:35. > :11:36.solicitor. Back in 1997, he was solicitor. Back in 1997, he was

:11:36. > :11:37.solicitor. Back in 1997, he was asked by The Law Society to take

:11:37. > :11:38.asked by The Law Society to take over Michael Seward's practice,

:11:38. > :11:45.over Michael Seward's practice, over Michael Seward's practice,

:11:45. > :11:47.upon which he discovered serious upon which he discovered serious

:11:47. > :11:49.upon which he discovered serious problems. What were those problems?

:11:49. > :11:51.problems. What were those problems? problems. What were those problems?

:11:51. > :11:51.Theft from client accounts, mainly Theft from client accounts, mainly

:11:52. > :11:53.Theft from client accounts, mainly probates where the accounts had

:11:53. > :11:54.probates where the accounts had probates where the accounts had

:11:54. > :11:56.probates where the accounts had been stated, so a cheque would come

:11:56. > :11:57.been stated, so a cheque would come been stated, so a cheque would come

:11:57. > :11:59.been stated, so a cheque would come in for �18,000, say, and he would

:11:59. > :12:03.in for �18,000, say, and he would in for �18,000, say, and he would

:12:03. > :12:04.record a payment of �10,000. Fraud? record a payment of �10,000. Fraud?

:12:04. > :12:08.record a payment of �10,000. Fraud? Effectively. What was the --

:12:08. > :12:09.Effectively. What was the -- convicted of? Misappropriation.So,

:12:09. > :12:10.convicted of? Misappropriation.So, convicted of? Misappropriation.So,

:12:10. > :12:11.we have two central questions. Why we have two central questions. Why

:12:11. > :12:12.we have two central questions. Why are the Hindmarsh family still

:12:12. > :12:13.are the Hindmarsh family still are the Hindmarsh family still

:12:13. > :12:14.being chased for an ever growing being chased for an ever growing

:12:14. > :12:15.being chased for an ever growing debt? And what was Michael Seward

:12:15. > :12:16.debt? And what was Michael Seward debt? And what was Michael Seward

:12:16. > :12:21.doing passing himself off as a doing passing himself off as a

:12:21. > :12:22.solicitor on Companies House solicitor on Companies House

:12:22. > :12:23.solicitor on Companies House documentation? After all, to do so

:12:23. > :12:24.documentation? After all, to do so is a criminal offence,

:12:24. > :12:29.is a criminal offence, misrepresentation under section 21

:12:29. > :12:30.misrepresentation under section 21 misrepresentation under section 21

:12:30. > :12:31.of The Solicitors' Act. We put of The Solicitors' Act. We put

:12:31. > :12:32.of The Solicitors' Act. We put these two questions to Mr Holmes,

:12:32. > :12:33.these two questions to Mr Holmes, these two questions to Mr Holmes,

:12:33. > :12:39.and through his lawyers, here's and through his lawyers, here's

:12:39. > :12:40.and through his lawyers, here's Firstly, yes they are still chasing

:12:40. > :12:41.Firstly, yes they are still chasing Firstly, yes they are still chasing

:12:41. > :12:42.the Hindmarsh family for the debt the Hindmarsh family for the debt

:12:42. > :12:43.the Hindmarsh family for the debt but they recognise that they will

:12:43. > :12:44.but they recognise that they will but they recognise that they will

:12:44. > :12:45.but they recognise that they will not be able to recover all of what

:12:45. > :12:55.not be able to recover all of what not be able to recover all of what

:12:55. > :13:01.

:13:01. > :13:02.This afternoon, the lawyers went This afternoon, the lawyers went

:13:02. > :13:04.This afternoon, the lawyers went further by insisting the family

:13:04. > :13:05.further by insisting the family further by insisting the family

:13:05. > :13:07.never intended to get a remortgage never intended to get a remortgage

:13:07. > :13:09.never intended to get a remortgage stating instead they wanted to sell

:13:09. > :13:10.stating instead they wanted to sell stating instead they wanted to sell

:13:10. > :13:20.their home. Finally, what of their home. Finally, what of

:13:20. > :13:28.

:13:28. > :13:30.Which, as excuses go, we find a Which, as excuses go, we find a

:13:30. > :13:31.Which, as excuses go, we find a Which, as excuses go, we find a

:13:31. > :13:32.little hard to swallow. You see, we little hard to swallow. You see, we

:13:32. > :13:33.little hard to swallow. You see, we found four Companies House forms

:13:33. > :13:33.found four Companies House forms found four Companies House forms

:13:33. > :13:35.stating Mr Seward's profession as a stating Mr Seward's profession as a

:13:35. > :13:35.stating Mr Seward's profession as a stating Mr Seward's profession as a

:13:35. > :13:43.solicitor and at the bottom of each solicitor and at the bottom of each

:13:43. > :13:44.solicitor and at the bottom of each form is his signature. In November,

:13:44. > :13:45.form is his signature. In November, form is his signature. In November,

:13:45. > :13:45.the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd

:13:46. > :13:46.the Bankruptcy Protection Fund Ltd and Consolidated Finance Ltd tried

:13:46. > :13:47.and Consolidated Finance Ltd tried and Consolidated Finance Ltd tried

:13:47. > :13:53.and Consolidated Finance Ltd tried again to take Mandy to court for

:13:53. > :13:54.again to take Mandy to court for again to take Mandy to court for

:13:54. > :13:55.her home. Days before proceedings her home. Days before proceedings

:13:55. > :13:56.her home. Days before proceedings were to start, they pulled out.So

:13:56. > :13:57.were to start, they pulled out.So were to start, they pulled out.So

:13:57. > :13:58.they thought they were dealing with they thought they were dealing with

:13:58. > :14:03.they thought they were dealing with one company and actually another

:14:03. > :14:05.one company and actually another one company and actually another

:14:05. > :14:06.one company and actually another was involved. With a few hours to

:14:06. > :14:07.was involved. With a few hours to was involved. With a few hours to

:14:07. > :14:08.go, Christopher Holmes has been in go, Christopher Holmes has been in

:14:08. > :14:09.go, Christopher Holmes has been in go, Christopher Holmes has been in

:14:09. > :14:11.touch saying he would like now to touch saying he would like now to

:14:11. > :14:12.touch saying he would like now to take part in our programme. In

:14:12. > :14:14.take part in our programme. In take part in our programme. In

:14:14. > :14:15.take part in our programme. In practical terms, it is far too late.

:14:15. > :14:16.practical terms, it is far too late. practical terms, it is far too late.

:14:16. > :14:19.practical terms, it is far too late. As for Mandy, she knows what she

:14:19. > :14:20.As for Mandy, she knows what she As for Mandy, she knows what she

:14:20. > :14:21.As for Mandy, she knows what she wants. I want them to rot in hell.

:14:21. > :14:26.wants. I want them to rot in hell. wants. I want them to rot in hell.

:14:26. > :14:27.wants. I want them to rot in hell. wants. I want them to rot in hell.

:14:27. > :14:28.I want them to go away. And I want I want them to go away. And I want

:14:28. > :14:29.I want them to go away. And I want I want them to go away. And I want

:14:29. > :14:34.them to live an unhappy life. Might them to live an unhappy life. Might

:14:35. > :14:39.them to live an unhappy life. Might they have done for me.

:14:39. > :14:41.they have done for me. Glenn Campbell reporting.

:14:41. > :14:47.Glenn Campbell reporting. Glenn Campbell reporting.

:14:47. > :14:48.Glenn Campbell reporting. Coming up on Inside Out: I decided

:14:48. > :14:52.Coming up on Inside Out: I decided Coming up on Inside Out: I decided

:14:52. > :14:53.Coming up on Inside Out: I decided I didn't want to live through it.

:14:53. > :14:54.I didn't want to live through it. I didn't want to live through it.

:14:54. > :14:58.I didn't want to live through it. thought I would stand there and get

:14:58. > :14:59.thought I would stand there and get thought I would stand there and get

:14:59. > :15:00.it over with. The children serving it over with. The children serving

:15:00. > :15:01.it over with. The children serving a hidden sentence. Emma Thomas has

:15:01. > :15:02.a hidden sentence. Emma Thomas has a hidden sentence. Emma Thomas has

:15:02. > :15:03.been speaking to families who have been speaking to families who have

:15:03. > :15:04.been speaking to families who have been separated from their fathers

:15:04. > :15:14.been separated from their fathers been separated from their fathers

:15:14. > :15:19.

:15:19. > :15:20.through no fault of their own. through no fault of their own.

:15:20. > :15:21.through no fault of their own. through no fault of their own.

:15:21. > :15:24.The red train set off at speed... The red train set off at speed...

:15:24. > :15:25.The red train set off at speed... Jayden is three. It's bedtime and

:15:25. > :15:30.Jayden is three. It's bedtime and Jayden is three. It's bedtime and

:15:30. > :15:31.his daddy's telling a story. his daddy's telling a story.

:15:31. > :15:32.his daddy's telling a story. father is away and he's listening

:15:32. > :15:39.father is away and he's listening father is away and he's listening

:15:39. > :15:40.father is away and he's listening to a recording of his voice.

:15:40. > :15:45.to a recording of his voice. to a recording of his voice.

:15:45. > :15:47.to a recording of his voice. was that on the tape? A daddy.Do

:15:47. > :15:51.was that on the tape? A daddy.Do was that on the tape? A daddy.Do

:15:51. > :15:51.was that on the tape? A daddy.Do was that on the tape? A daddy.Do

:15:52. > :15:54.you Mr de? Yes. He is at work.-- you Mr de? Yes. He is at work.--

:15:54. > :15:55.you Mr de? Yes. He is at work.-- you Mr de? Yes. He is at work.--

:15:55. > :15:56.do you miss Daddy? He cannot come do you miss Daddy? He cannot come

:15:56. > :15:57.do you miss Daddy? He cannot come home. But Jayden's father isn't at

:15:57. > :15:58.home. But Jayden's father isn't at home. But Jayden's father isn't at

:15:58. > :15:59.home. But Jayden's father isn't at work. In fact, he's going to be

:15:59. > :16:00.work. In fact, he's going to be work. In fact, he's going to be

:16:00. > :16:01.work. In fact, he's going to be away for many years. As many as 10

:16:01. > :16:02.away for many years. As many as 10 away for many years. As many as 10

:16:02. > :16:03.away for many years. As many as 10 years if he serves all his sentence.

:16:03. > :16:04.years if he serves all his sentence. years if he serves all his sentence.

:16:04. > :16:05.You see, Jayden's father is in You see, Jayden's father is in

:16:05. > :16:06.You see, Jayden's father is in prison, and this bedtime story is

:16:06. > :16:07.prison, and this bedtime story is prison, and this bedtime story is

:16:07. > :16:08.prison, and this bedtime story is just one of a number of initiatives

:16:08. > :16:08.just one of a number of initiatives just one of a number of initiatives

:16:08. > :16:09.where the children of prisoner's where the children of prisoner's

:16:09. > :16:10.where the children of prisoner's are being encouraged to keep

:16:10. > :16:13.are being encouraged to keep parenting, even though they're

:16:13. > :16:15.parenting, even though they're parenting, even though they're

:16:15. > :16:16.behind bars. This is Lydia Burton, behind bars. This is Lydia Burton,

:16:16. > :16:18.behind bars. This is Lydia Burton, Jayden's mother. Last year, her

:16:18. > :16:19.Jayden's mother. Last year, her Jayden's mother. Last year, her

:16:19. > :16:21.world crumbled. When her husband world crumbled. When her husband

:16:21. > :16:22.world crumbled. When her husband world crumbled. When her husband

:16:22. > :16:23.Dean was sent to prison. He was Dean was sent to prison. He was

:16:23. > :16:24.Dean was sent to prison. He was found guilty of conspiring to

:16:24. > :16:25.found guilty of conspiring to found guilty of conspiring to

:16:25. > :16:26.import drugs after they were found import drugs after they were found

:16:26. > :16:33.import drugs after they were found import drugs after they were found

:16:33. > :16:35.on one of his lorries in Dover. on one of his lorries in Dover.

:16:35. > :16:36.on one of his lorries in Dover. on one of his lorries in Dover.

:16:36. > :16:38.far as he is concerned, Daddy is at far as he is concerned, Daddy is at

:16:38. > :16:38.far as he is concerned, Daddy is at far as he is concerned, Daddy is at

:16:38. > :16:40.work, we go and see daddy because work, we go and see daddy because

:16:40. > :16:41.work, we go and see daddy because work, we go and see daddy because

:16:41. > :16:43.he has to stay at work and he he has to stay at work and he

:16:43. > :16:46.he has to stay at work and he cannot come home. That impact on

:16:46. > :16:47.cannot come home. That impact on cannot come home. That impact on

:16:47. > :16:48.cannot come home. That impact on their lives is huge. What Lydia is

:16:48. > :16:49.their lives is huge. What Lydia is their lives is huge. What Lydia is

:16:49. > :16:50.focusing on is improving the amount focusing on is improving the amount

:16:50. > :16:54.focusing on is improving the amount of family visits. Prisoners like

:16:54. > :16:56.of family visits. Prisoners like of family visits. Prisoners like

:16:56. > :17:01.her husband are allowed time with her husband are allowed time with

:17:01. > :17:03.her husband are allowed time with their children whilst locked away.

:17:03. > :17:03.their children whilst locked away. their children whilst locked away.

:17:04. > :17:08.their children whilst locked away. Thank you for coming to this first

:17:08. > :17:10.Thank you for coming to this first Thank you for coming to this first

:17:10. > :17:11.meeting. We are here for the meeting. We are here for the

:17:11. > :17:12.meeting. We are here for the children. And they're right to have

:17:12. > :17:17.children. And they're right to have children. And they're right to have

:17:17. > :17:17.a relationship with their parents. a relationship with their parents.

:17:17. > :17:19.a relationship with their parents. a relationship with their parents.

:17:19. > :17:20.She's one of the number of voices She's one of the number of voices

:17:20. > :17:24.She's one of the number of voices that think that time with parents

:17:24. > :17:24.that think that time with parents that think that time with parents

:17:24. > :17:25.is key. Angus Mulready-Jones works is key. Angus Mulready-Jones works

:17:25. > :17:26.is key. Angus Mulready-Jones works for a charity campaigning for

:17:26. > :17:29.for a charity campaigning for better contact between prisoners

:17:29. > :17:30.better contact between prisoners better contact between prisoners

:17:30. > :17:31.and their families. We know that and their families. We know that

:17:31. > :17:32.parental imprisonment causes poorer parental imprisonment causes poorer

:17:32. > :17:35.parental imprisonment causes poorer outcomes for children and can lead

:17:35. > :17:38.outcomes for children and can lead to inter-generational offending. It

:17:38. > :17:40.to inter-generational offending. It to inter-generational offending. It

:17:40. > :17:42.to inter-generational offending. It is much more for society -- much

:17:42. > :17:43.is much more for society -- much is much more for society -- much

:17:43. > :17:48.more disruptive for society when more disruptive for society when

:17:48. > :17:49.more disruptive for society when more disruptive for society when

:17:49. > :17:50.parents are away. Some of you may parents are away. Some of you may

:17:50. > :17:50.parents are away. Some of you may parents are away. Some of you may

:17:50. > :17:51.think they have done the crime so think they have done the crime so

:17:51. > :17:53.think they have done the crime so think they have done the crime so

:17:53. > :17:53.they have to do that time and just they have to do that time and just

:17:53. > :17:55.they have to do that time and just they have to do that time and just

:17:55. > :17:56.as his justice and that few is fair. as his justice and that few is fair.

:17:56. > :17:56.as his justice and that few is fair. as his justice and that few is fair.

:17:56. > :17:57.But when it comes to serving a But when it comes to serving a

:17:58. > :17:58.But when it comes to serving a sentence, how much family time a

:17:58. > :17:59.sentence, how much family time a sentence, how much family time a

:17:59. > :18:00.prisoner gets is a controversial prisoner gets is a controversial

:18:00. > :18:08.prisoner gets is a controversial prisoner gets is a controversial

:18:08. > :18:09.issue and gets to heart of how we But according to some experts

:18:09. > :18:10.But according to some experts letting prisoners have constructive

:18:10. > :18:11.letting prisoners have constructive letting prisoners have constructive

:18:11. > :18:11.and frequent contact with their and frequent contact with their

:18:11. > :18:12.and frequent contact with their children can reduce re-offending by

:18:12. > :18:22.children can reduce re-offending by children can reduce re-offending by

:18:22. > :18:26.

:18:26. > :18:27.children can reduce re-offending by as much as 39 %. Prisoners who have

:18:27. > :18:28.as much as 39 %. Prisoners who have as much as 39 %. Prisoners who have

:18:28. > :18:29.or maintain contact with their or maintain contact with their

:18:29. > :18:30.or maintain contact with their or maintain contact with their

:18:30. > :18:31.families are far more likely to have families are far more likely to have

:18:31. > :18:32.families are far more likely to have somewhere to live when they are

:18:32. > :18:33.somewhere to live when they are somewhere to live when they are

:18:33. > :18:34.released from prison and they are released from prison and they are

:18:34. > :18:34.released from prison and they are released from prison and they are

:18:34. > :18:35.far more likely to have a potential far more likely to have a potential

:18:35. > :18:36.far more likely to have a potential far more likely to have a potential

:18:36. > :18:37.job, or actually a job and so they job, or actually a job and so they

:18:37. > :18:38.job, or actually a job and so they job, or actually a job and so they

:18:38. > :18:39.also have. I mean clearly they will also have. I mean clearly they will

:18:39. > :18:40.also have. I mean clearly they will have the support of their families

:18:40. > :18:41.have the support of their families for seeking employment and

:18:41. > :18:42.for seeking employment and for seeking employment and

:18:42. > :18:43.resettling back into the community, resettling back into the community,

:18:43. > :18:44.resettling back into the community, resettling back into the community,

:18:44. > :18:45.so all of these things tie in very so all of these things tie in very

:18:45. > :18:46.so all of these things tie in very nicely to the notions of

:18:46. > :18:46.nicely to the notions of nicely to the notions of

:18:46. > :18:47.rehabilitation and the fact that rehabilitation and the fact that

:18:47. > :18:48.rehabilitation and the fact that people don?t reoffend when they

:18:48. > :18:49.people don?t reoffend when they people don?t reoffend when they

:18:49. > :18:50.leave prison. There is an argument leave prison. There is an argument

:18:50. > :18:51.leave prison. There is an argument isn?t there that actually they are

:18:51. > :18:52.isn?t there that actually they are isn?t there that actually they are

:18:52. > :18:53.isn?t there that actually they are in jail to be punished. I think

:18:53. > :18:54.in jail to be punished. I think in jail to be punished. I think

:18:54. > :18:55.in jail to be punished. I think there is an argument that people in

:18:55. > :18:56.there is an argument that people in there is an argument that people in

:18:56. > :18:56.there is an argument that people in jail are there to be punished, they

:18:57. > :18:58.jail are there to be punished, they jail are there to be punished, they

:18:58. > :18:58.are also there to be rehabilitated are also there to be rehabilitated

:18:58. > :18:59.are also there to be rehabilitated are also there to be rehabilitated

:18:59. > :19:00.and what I think society wants is and what I think society wants is

:19:00. > :19:01.and what I think society wants is less crime, they don?t want people

:19:01. > :19:02.less crime, they don?t want people being punished unnecessarily, the

:19:02. > :19:03.being punished unnecessarily, the being punished unnecessarily, the

:19:03. > :19:04.being punished unnecessarily, the other thing to say is that the

:19:04. > :19:05.other thing to say is that the 200,000 children who experience

:19:05. > :19:11.200,000 children who experience parental imprisonment every year

:19:11. > :19:11.parental imprisonment every year parental imprisonment every year

:19:11. > :19:12.haven?t done anything wrong. I?ve haven?t done anything wrong. I?ve

:19:12. > :19:13.haven?t done anything wrong. I?ve haven?t done anything wrong. I?ve

:19:13. > :19:14.come to meet a man who has first come to meet a man who has first

:19:14. > :19:16.come to meet a man who has first hand experience of parenting behind

:19:16. > :19:17.hand experience of parenting behind hand experience of parenting behind

:19:17. > :19:26.hand experience of parenting behind bars. He served time in Lewes for

:19:26. > :19:28.bars. He served time in Lewes for bars. He served time in Lewes for

:19:28. > :19:29.grevious bodily harm. It meant he grevious bodily harm. It meant he

:19:29. > :19:32.grevious bodily harm. It meant he was separated from his daughter and

:19:32. > :19:33.was separated from his daughter and was separated from his daughter and

:19:34. > :19:36.was separated from his daughter and he could only have a two visits each

:19:36. > :19:37.he could only have a two visits each he could only have a two visits each

:19:37. > :19:39.he could only have a two visits each month. You are not allowed of your

:19:39. > :19:42.month. You are not allowed of your month. You are not allowed of your

:19:42. > :19:43.month. You are not allowed of your seat. It is very hard on myself as

:19:43. > :19:43.seat. It is very hard on myself as seat. It is very hard on myself as

:19:43. > :19:44.seat. It is very hard on myself as the father, but it must have been

:19:44. > :19:51.the father, but it must have been the father, but it must have been

:19:52. > :19:53.the father, but it must have been harder for my daughter as well.

:19:53. > :19:53.harder for my daughter as well. harder for my daughter as well.

:19:53. > :19:54.prison should be punishment isn?t prison should be punishment isn?t

:19:54. > :19:55.prison should be punishment isn?t prison should be punishment isn?t

:19:55. > :19:56.it? All right, punish me, but don?t it? All right, punish me, but don?t

:19:56. > :19:57.it? All right, punish me, but don?t punish your family, your loved ones,

:19:57. > :19:58.punish your family, your loved ones, punish your family, your loved ones,

:19:58. > :19:59.punish your family, your loved ones, I?m the one that?s done wrong, so

:19:59. > :20:00.I?m the one that?s done wrong, so I?m the one that?s done wrong, so

:20:00. > :20:01.I?m the one that?s done wrong, so why punish the other ones? Here on

:20:01. > :20:01.why punish the other ones? Here on why punish the other ones? Here on

:20:01. > :20:02.why punish the other ones? Here on the Isle of Sheppey, where there are

:20:02. > :20:03.the Isle of Sheppey, where there are the Isle of Sheppey, where there are

:20:03. > :20:04.three prisons, a support network is three prisons, a support network is

:20:04. > :20:05.three prisons, a support network is growing for the families left to

:20:05. > :20:06.growing for the families left to growing for the families left to

:20:06. > :20:15.growing for the families left to cope on the outside while Dad?s is

:20:15. > :20:16.cope on the outside while Dad?s is cope on the outside while Dad?s is

:20:16. > :20:26.locked away. Pauline Neal is locked away. Pauline Neal is

:20:26. > :20:36.

:20:36. > :20:37.responsible for organising family responsible for organising family

:20:37. > :20:37.responsible for organising family responsible for organising family

:20:37. > :20:38.days. Pauline says the simple act of days. Pauline says the simple act of

:20:38. > :20:39.days. Pauline says the simple act of days. Pauline says the simple act of

:20:39. > :20:41.play can change how the prisoner and play can change how the prisoner and

:20:41. > :20:42.play can change how the prisoner and play can change how the prisoner and

:20:42. > :20:43.his child view the world. I do his child view the world. I do

:20:43. > :20:43.his child view the world. I do his child view the world. I do

:20:43. > :20:44.believe a bond between the dad and believe a bond between the dad and

:20:44. > :20:46.believe a bond between the dad and their child can be strengthened and

:20:46. > :20:47.their child can be strengthened and their child can be strengthened and

:20:47. > :20:48.their child can be strengthened and I feel that many of the prison will

:20:48. > :20:48.I feel that many of the prison will I feel that many of the prison will

:20:48. > :20:49.actually look again, you know actually look again, you know

:20:49. > :20:50.actually look again, you know actually this isn?t just me, this

:20:50. > :20:51.actually this isn?t just me, this actually this isn?t just me, this

:20:51. > :20:52.actually this isn?t just me, this has affected my whole family and my

:20:52. > :20:53.has affected my whole family and my has affected my whole family and my

:20:53. > :20:54.child?s living that hidden sentence. child?s living that hidden sentence.

:20:54. > :20:55.child?s living that hidden sentence. Research suggests children with a

:20:55. > :20:56.Research suggests children with a Research suggests children with a

:20:56. > :21:06.parent in prison are likely to parent in prison are likely to

:21:06. > :21:10.

:21:10. > :21:11.experience depression and social experience depression and social

:21:11. > :21:12.experience depression and social exclusion. To what extent prisoners

:21:12. > :21:13.exclusion. To what extent prisoners exclusion. To what extent prisoners

:21:13. > :21:14.should be allowed to see their should be allowed to see their

:21:14. > :21:15.should be allowed to see their children is controversial. But some

:21:15. > :21:16.children is controversial. But some children is controversial. But some

:21:16. > :21:16.children is controversial. But some say maybe it?s time for a re-think

:21:17. > :21:17.say maybe it?s time for a re-think say maybe it?s time for a re-think

:21:18. > :21:19.about how much family time is about how much family time is

:21:19. > :21:20.allowed behind bars. allowed behind bars.

:21:20. > :21:21.allowed behind bars. allowed behind bars.

:21:21. > :21:22.Now, we all know the effects of a Now, we all know the effects of a

:21:22. > :21:23.Now, we all know the effects of a nuclear war could be devastating and

:21:23. > :21:24.nuclear war could be devastating and nuclear war could be devastating and

:21:24. > :21:25.in the mid-sixties the threat was in the mid-sixties the threat was

:21:25. > :21:26.in the mid-sixties the threat was very real indeed. Vince Rogers meets

:21:26. > :21:27.very real indeed. Vince Rogers meets very real indeed. Vince Rogers meets

:21:27. > :21:28.very real indeed. Vince Rogers meets a group of local people who came a

:21:28. > :21:29.a group of local people who came a a group of local people who came a

:21:29. > :21:39.little bit closer to the experience little bit closer to the experience

:21:39. > :21:43.

:21:43. > :21:45.little bit closer to the experience Rochester in Kent. Two square miles

:21:45. > :21:48.Rochester in Kent. Two square miles Rochester in Kent. Two square miles

:21:48. > :21:48.of fire, the heat of a nuclear of fire, the heat of a nuclear

:21:48. > :21:50.of fire, the heat of a nuclear explosion. Fortunately this is all

:21:50. > :21:51.explosion. Fortunately this is all explosion. Fortunately this is all

:21:51. > :21:53.explosion. Fortunately this is all fiction. In 1965 a film was shot in

:21:53. > :21:54.fiction. In 1965 a film was shot in fiction. In 1965 a film was shot in

:21:54. > :21:57.Kent. Deemed so disturbing the BBC Kent. Deemed so disturbing the BBC

:21:57. > :21:57.Kent. Deemed so disturbing the BBC Kent. Deemed so disturbing the BBC

:21:57. > :21:59.banned it for nearly 20 years. World banned it for nearly 20 years. World

:21:59. > :21:59.banned it for nearly 20 years. World banned it for nearly 20 years. World

:21:59. > :22:00.War Two was over & the superpowers War Two was over & the superpowers

:22:00. > :22:01.War Two was over & the superpowers who overthrow Nazi Germany were

:22:01. > :22:04.who overthrow Nazi Germany were who overthrow Nazi Germany were

:22:04. > :22:05.desperate to create a new world desperate to create a new world

:22:05. > :22:06.desperate to create a new world desperate to create a new world

:22:06. > :22:07.order. Which led to the creation of order. Which led to the creation of

:22:07. > :22:08.order. Which led to the creation of a new conflict, history would come

:22:08. > :22:11.a new conflict, history would come a new conflict, history would come

:22:11. > :22:12.a new conflict, history would come to know as the Cold War. The Early

:22:12. > :22:13.to know as the Cold War. The Early to know as the Cold War. The Early

:22:13. > :22:23.Sixties & times are changing with Sixties & times are changing with

:22:23. > :22:27.

:22:27. > :22:28.This was the ultimate standoff. This was the ultimate standoff.

:22:28. > :22:29.World leaders literally had their World leaders literally had their

:22:29. > :22:29.World leaders literally had their World leaders literally had their

:22:29. > :22:30.finger on the button and we could finger on the button and we could

:22:30. > :22:31.finger on the button and we could have been minutes away from the

:22:31. > :22:36.have been minutes away from the have been minutes away from the

:22:36. > :22:46.have been minutes away from the launch of a nuclear weapon at any

:22:46. > :23:04.

:23:04. > :23:05.At a Cold War bunker in Gravesend we At a Cold War bunker in Gravesend we

:23:05. > :23:06.At a Cold War bunker in Gravesend we have assembled some of the cast for

:23:06. > :23:10.have assembled some of the cast for have assembled some of the cast for

:23:10. > :23:11.a special screening of the film. a special screening of the film.

:23:11. > :23:12.a special screening of the film. a special screening of the film.

:23:12. > :23:13.a special screening of the film. Although I have seen it before,

:23:13. > :23:15.Although I have seen it before, Although I have seen it before,

:23:15. > :23:19.watching it today, I was still watching it today, I was still

:23:19. > :23:22.watching it today, I was still shocked. Absolutely shocked. A state

:23:22. > :23:26.shocked. Absolutely shocked. A state shocked. Absolutely shocked. A state

:23:26. > :23:27.of national emergency has been of national emergency has been

:23:27. > :23:28.of national emergency has been announced. After you hear the

:23:28. > :23:29.announced. After you hear the announced. After you hear the

:23:29. > :23:30.announced. After you hear the facts, I decided that I did not want

:23:30. > :23:31.facts, I decided that I did not want facts, I decided that I did not want

:23:31. > :23:32.facts, I decided that I did not want to litter it. If there was a

:23:32. > :23:33.to litter it. If there was a to litter it. If there was a

:23:33. > :23:33.three-minute warning, I would like three-minute warning, I would like

:23:33. > :23:34.three-minute warning, I would like three-minute warning, I would like

:23:34. > :23:42.to stand in the middle of the road to stand in the middle of the road

:23:42. > :23:44.to stand in the middle of the road to stand in the middle of the road

:23:44. > :23:45.to stand in the middle of the road and get over and with. The film told

:23:45. > :23:46.and get over and with. The film told and get over and with. The film told

:23:46. > :23:53.and get over and with. The film told the bleak story of a nuclear attack

:23:53. > :23:54.the bleak story of a nuclear attack the bleak story of a nuclear attack

:23:54. > :23:55.the bleak story of a nuclear attack on Kent. The cast, well there was no

:23:55. > :23:56.on Kent. The cast, well there was no on Kent. The cast, well there was no

:23:56. > :23:57.big Hollywood stars involved, just big Hollywood stars involved, just

:23:57. > :23:59.big Hollywood stars involved, just around 350 amateur actors from the

:23:59. > :24:02.around 350 amateur actors from the around 350 amateur actors from the

:24:02. > :24:03.around 350 amateur actors from the county. I happen to be there when

:24:03. > :24:03.county. I happen to be there when county. I happen to be there when

:24:03. > :24:04.county. I happen to be there when the film crew turned up. I was

:24:04. > :24:05.the film crew turned up. I was the film crew turned up. I was

:24:05. > :24:06.playing in the damaged buildings. playing in the damaged buildings.

:24:06. > :24:07.playing in the damaged buildings. playing in the damaged buildings.

:24:07. > :24:11.They asked us to play in the crowd They asked us to play in the crowd

:24:11. > :24:12.They asked us to play in the crowd and scream and shout. Doctor

:24:12. > :24:15.and scream and shout. Doctor and scream and shout. Doctor

:24:15. > :24:16.Thornley stops to make an emergency Thornley stops to make an emergency

:24:16. > :24:17.Thornley stops to make an emergency call. Canterbury. But it wasn?t just

:24:17. > :24:18.call. Canterbury. But it wasn?t just call. Canterbury. But it wasn?t just

:24:18. > :24:19.Kent?s amateur actors that were Kent?s amateur actors that were

:24:19. > :24:20.Kent?s amateur actors that were being used in the piece. From

:24:20. > :24:21.being used in the piece. From being used in the piece. From

:24:21. > :24:22.Gravesend to Dover many of our Gravesend to Dover many of our

:24:22. > :24:23.Gravesend to Dover many of our Gravesend to Dover many of our

:24:23. > :24:24.locations made it to the final film locations made it to the final film

:24:24. > :24:24.locations made it to the final film locations made it to the final film

:24:24. > :24:25.as well. Christine Eyden was a young as well. Christine Eyden was a young

:24:25. > :24:31.as well. Christine Eyden was a young as well. Christine Eyden was a young

:24:31. > :24:32.teacher when she was given a part in teacher when she was given a part in

:24:32. > :24:33.teacher when she was given a part in teacher when she was given a part in

:24:33. > :24:34.the film. She?s come back to the the film. She?s come back to the

:24:34. > :24:35.the film. She?s come back to the Grand Shaft Barracks in Dover with

:24:35. > :24:36.Grand Shaft Barracks in Dover with Grand Shaft Barracks in Dover with

:24:36. > :24:42.Grand Shaft Barracks in Dover with her son Phil, who helps with the

:24:42. > :24:43.her son Phil, who helps with the her son Phil, who helps with the

:24:43. > :24:44.her son Phil, who helps with the upkeep of the site. There was great

:24:44. > :24:45.upkeep of the site. There was great upkeep of the site. There was great

:24:45. > :24:46.big wind machine for the firestorm. big wind machine for the firestorm.

:24:46. > :24:47.big wind machine for the firestorm. big wind machine for the firestorm.

:24:47. > :24:51.We were running up and down in front We were running up and down in front

:24:52. > :24:53.We were running up and down in front We were running up and down in front

:24:53. > :24:54.of the wind machine. The fire was of the wind machine. The fire was

:24:54. > :24:56.of the wind machine. The fire was over there. This is the phenomenon

:24:56. > :24:58.over there. This is the phenomenon over there. This is the phenomenon

:24:58. > :25:00.that could perhaps happen in Britain that could perhaps happen in Britain

:25:00. > :25:01.that could perhaps happen in Britain following a nuclear strike against

:25:01. > :25:02.following a nuclear strike against following a nuclear strike against

:25:02. > :25:05.following a nuclear strike against some of our cities. We had go down

:25:05. > :25:09.some of our cities. We had go down some of our cities. We had go down

:25:09. > :25:11.some of our cities. We had go down therefore I met -- make make up.

:25:11. > :25:14.therefore I met -- make make up. therefore I met -- make make up.

:25:14. > :25:15.therefore I met -- make make up. They had to put Ross Krispies on our

:25:15. > :25:16.They had to put Ross Krispies on our They had to put Ross Krispies on our

:25:16. > :25:17.They had to put Ross Krispies on our face. We were blacked over. That was

:25:17. > :25:27.face. We were blacked over. That was face. We were blacked over. That was

:25:27. > :25:28.

:25:28. > :25:29.face. We were blacked over. That was With breakfast cereal applied to

:25:29. > :25:29.With breakfast cereal applied to With breakfast cereal applied to

:25:29. > :25:31.faces for nuclear burns and wind faces for nuclear burns and wind

:25:31. > :25:32.faces for nuclear burns and wind machines at the ready. The actors

:25:32. > :25:33.machines at the ready. The actors machines at the ready. The actors

:25:33. > :25:38.were poised to give the performance were poised to give the performance

:25:38. > :25:38.were poised to give the performance were poised to give the performance

:25:38. > :25:41.of a life time. I played two parts. of a life time. I played two parts.

:25:41. > :25:42.of a life time. I played two parts. Originally, the first part I played

:25:42. > :25:45.Originally, the first part I played Originally, the first part I played

:25:45. > :25:47.Originally, the first part I played was a body in the firestorm. When we

:25:47. > :25:47.was a body in the firestorm. When we was a body in the firestorm. When we

:25:48. > :25:48.had a little walk-through, I was had a little walk-through, I was

:25:48. > :25:51.had a little walk-through, I was had a little walk-through, I was

:25:51. > :25:52.fine. I was lying on the floor. The fine. I was lying on the floor. The

:25:52. > :25:53.fine. I was lying on the floor. The fine. I was lying on the floor. The

:25:53. > :25:55.thing is, when I see the film, you thing is, when I see the film, you

:25:55. > :25:56.thing is, when I see the film, you thing is, when I see the film, you

:25:56. > :26:06.can't see me? I could only see my can't see me? I could only see my

:26:06. > :26:06.

:26:06. > :26:07.can't see me? I could only see my can't see me? I could only see my

:26:07. > :26:08.own left foot! So the film was in own left foot! So the film was in

:26:08. > :26:09.own left foot! So the film was in own left foot! So the film was in

:26:09. > :26:10.the can and ready to be shown. Buses the can and ready to be shown. Buses

:26:10. > :26:11.the can and ready to be shown. Buses the can and ready to be shown. Buses

:26:11. > :26:13.full of cast members travelled up to full of cast members travelled up to

:26:13. > :26:19.full of cast members travelled up to full of cast members travelled up to

:26:19. > :26:26.a studio in London. They used to say a studio in London. They used to say

:26:26. > :26:27.a studio in London. They used to say that... The final announcement was

:26:27. > :26:28.that... The final announcement was that... The final announcement was

:26:28. > :26:29.that... The final announcement was that the film should be here within

:26:29. > :26:31.that the film should be here within that the film should be here within

:26:31. > :26:33.20 minutes. 20 minutes later, they 20 minutes. 20 minutes later, they

:26:33. > :26:34.20 minutes. 20 minutes later, they 20 minutes. 20 minutes later, they

:26:34. > :26:38.said they do not know whether film said they do not know whether film

:26:38. > :26:39.said they do not know whether film said they do not know whether film

:26:39. > :26:42.is. You better go home! Thank you is. You better go home! Thank you

:26:42. > :26:42.is. You better go home! Thank you is. You better go home! Thank you

:26:42. > :26:45.for coming. They had a feeling that for coming. They had a feeling that

:26:45. > :26:46.for coming. They had a feeling that the BBC had been under government

:26:46. > :26:47.the BBC had been under government the BBC had been under government

:26:47. > :26:48.pressure to lose the film, because pressure to lose the film, because

:26:48. > :26:52.pressure to lose the film, because pressure to lose the film, because

:26:52. > :26:53.it was the sort of thing that they it was the sort of thing that they

:26:53. > :26:54.it was the sort of thing that they it was the sort of thing that they

:26:54. > :26:55.did not want the public to see when did not want the public to see when

:26:55. > :27:01.did not want the public to see when there was a threat of nuclear

:27:01. > :27:02.there was a threat of nuclear there was a threat of nuclear

:27:02. > :27:03.there was a threat of nuclear attack. But was the BBC right to ban

:27:03. > :27:03.attack. But was the BBC right to ban attack. But was the BBC right to ban

:27:04. > :27:06.attack. But was the BBC right to ban the film for nearly 20 years?

:27:07. > :27:09.the film for nearly 20 years? the film for nearly 20 years?

:27:09. > :27:10.you see the young children, with you see the young children, with

:27:10. > :27:12.you see the young children, with people hiding under the table, it

:27:12. > :27:17.people hiding under the table, it people hiding under the table, it

:27:17. > :27:19.was quite awful. It was very was quite awful. It was very

:27:19. > :27:20.distressing. Too distressing to distressing. Too distressing to

:27:20. > :27:21.distressing. Too distressing to broadcast? I think it would have

:27:21. > :27:25.broadcast? I think it would have broadcast? I think it would have

:27:25. > :27:26.caused a lot of distress. Despite caused a lot of distress. Despite

:27:26. > :27:27.caused a lot of distress. Despite being banned on the television the

:27:27. > :27:27.being banned on the television the being banned on the television the

:27:27. > :27:28.BBC reluctantly allowed a limited BBC reluctantly allowed a limited

:27:28. > :27:29.BBC reluctantly allowed a limited BBC reluctantly allowed a limited

:27:29. > :27:39.cinema release. And in 1967 the film cinema release. And in 1967 the film

:27:39. > :27:40.

:27:40. > :27:41.cinema release. And in 1967 the film cinema release. And in 1967 the film

:27:41. > :27:41.won an Oscar for best documentary. won an Oscar for best documentary.

:27:41. > :27:43.won an Oscar for best documentary. won an Oscar for best documentary.

:27:43. > :27:50.won an Oscar for best documentary. have changed my CV to say I was in a

:27:50. > :27:51.have changed my CV to say I was in a have changed my CV to say I was in a

:27:51. > :27:53.Oscar-winning film! December 25. A Oscar-winning film! December 25. A

:27:53. > :27:55.Oscar-winning film! December 25. A refugee compound in Dover, four

:27:55. > :27:56.refugee compound in Dover, four refugee compound in Dover, four

:27:56. > :27:57.months after the attack. Luckily months after the attack. Luckily

:27:57. > :27:58.months after the attack. Luckily months after the attack. Luckily

:27:58. > :27:59.cold war bunkers like this one were cold war bunkers like this one were

:27:59. > :28:00.cold war bunkers like this one were never used for their intended use.

:28:00. > :28:00.never used for their intended use. never used for their intended use.

:28:00. > :28:01.never used for their intended use. And the only glimpse of a nuclear

:28:01. > :28:02.And the only glimpse of a nuclear And the only glimpse of a nuclear

:28:02. > :28:06.And the only glimpse of a nuclear attack on Kent was through a film

:28:06. > :28:16.attack on Kent was through a film attack on Kent was through a film

:28:16. > :28:24.

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:28:40. > :28:41.the last programme in the series. the last programme in the series.

:28:41. > :28:42.the last programme in the series. the last programme in the series.

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