0:00:06 > 0:00:08It's a Brexit special on Inside Out.
0:00:08 > 0:00:10I voted Leave because I wanted a change, I wanted things
0:00:10 > 0:00:14to go back to years ago, before we joined the EU.
0:00:14 > 0:00:21What a Bulgarian who migratdd to Kent thinks about the result
0:00:21 > 0:00:24If this was happening in my country and I had the opportunity
0:00:24 > 0:00:26to vote, I would probably vote to leave as well.
0:00:26 > 0:00:28Do you understand why so many British
0:00:28 > 0:00:30people voted to leave?
0:00:30 > 0:00:34Actually, no.
0:00:34 > 0:00:36And the flotilla fishermen of Thanet who have got
0:00:37 > 0:00:38the result they wanted.
0:00:38 > 0:00:39Fantastic day out.
0:00:39 > 0:00:44We are looking forward to a new future.
0:00:44 > 0:00:47But it isn't a question of putting a line around the map and going
0:00:47 > 0:00:51"Yes, that's our sovereigntx," that isn't the way it works.
0:00:51 > 0:00:53I'm Natalie Graham with untold stories closer to home.
0:00:53 > 0:01:03From all around the south-e`st, this is Inside Out.
0:01:14 > 0:01:19Welcome to the programme.
0:01:19 > 0:01:23I'm on the white cliffs of Dover and over there, on a clear day,
0:01:23 > 0:01:29you can see the Europe that we have just voted to leave.
0:01:29 > 0:01:30In fact, the south-east overwhelmingly voted out
0:01:30 > 0:01:33and the result sent shock waves through Westminster.
0:01:33 > 0:01:36It laid bare what many people see as a major divide between those
0:01:36 > 0:01:39in power and those they represent.
0:01:39 > 0:01:42Helen Catt reports.
0:01:51 > 0:01:54Even at its most remote points, nowhere in the south-east
0:01:54 > 0:01:58is more than about 100 miles from Westminster.
0:01:58 > 0:02:03But, for some it seems, it can feel more like 1,000.
0:02:03 > 0:02:13Those big politicians underdstimated the common man in the street.
0:02:13 > 0:02:16There is a strong anti-mainstream, some would even say anti-political
0:02:16 > 0:02:17kind of tenor.
0:02:17 > 0:02:21I talk about a kind of workhng class insurrection.
0:02:21 > 0:02:23They just really wanted to leave and they wanted
0:02:23 > 0:02:26to leave because there was a lack of democracy.
0:02:26 > 0:02:29Turnout at the referendum w`s huge and the message was very cldar
0:02:29 > 0:02:30we want out of the EU.
0:02:30 > 0:02:33But were voters also saying something else?
0:02:33 > 0:02:35We're going to speak to somd of those who voted out
0:02:35 > 0:02:38in the south-east to find ott if there are any other mess`ges
0:02:38 > 0:02:42the politicians should be taking away.
0:02:42 > 0:02:45They promise all these things.
0:02:45 > 0:02:47People vote for them and thdn later, a year down the line,
0:02:48 > 0:02:53all the promises get broken.
0:02:53 > 0:02:56I don't think they're reallx interested in the likes of,
0:02:56 > 0:02:59not just me, but the man in the street, they've got no clue.
0:02:59 > 0:03:01First stop, Dover...
0:03:01 > 0:03:03to meet 28-year-old Steve Howe who works as a chef
0:03:03 > 0:03:09on a cross-Channel ferry.
0:03:09 > 0:03:11He's one of a significant group who voted in the referendum,
0:03:11 > 0:03:13those who never usually votd at all.
0:03:13 > 0:03:16Before I actually vote, I want to make sure that I know
0:03:16 > 0:03:20what I'm doing because this is not just an everyday thing and then four
0:03:20 > 0:03:21years down the line you get another vote,
0:03:21 > 0:03:24this is going to be a life-changer.
0:03:24 > 0:03:27Despite not trusting politicians and their promises,
0:03:27 > 0:03:30he discussed the EU extensively with his family and workmatds
0:03:30 > 0:03:35to make what believes is the right decision.
0:03:35 > 0:03:38I voted Leave because I wanted a change, I wanted us to go back
0:03:38 > 0:03:44to what use to be years ago before we even joined the EU.
0:03:44 > 0:03:46There was none of this problem with immigrants,
0:03:46 > 0:03:48there wasn't problems with benefits, people not being able to afford
0:03:48 > 0:03:50to do this, do that.
0:03:50 > 0:03:53We're a country that makes lillions of pounds but yet we still have
0:03:53 > 0:04:00people living on the streets.
0:04:00 > 0:04:01At Sussex University, political specialist Paul Wdlls says
0:04:01 > 0:04:03it's easy to understand why the referendum caught
0:04:03 > 0:04:06the imagination of people who don't usually vote.
0:04:06 > 0:04:08If you're talking about somdthing like a referendum on membership
0:04:08 > 0:04:10of the European Union then, ostensibly at least,
0:04:10 > 0:04:13there's only going to be ond vote, at least for the foreseeabld future,
0:04:13 > 0:04:15and it's really critical to the whole future of the country
0:04:15 > 0:04:18and the nature of the country's future so you can understand why
0:04:18 > 0:04:27people would think this is a bit more interesting.
0:04:27 > 0:04:29So it may have been, in part, the non-voters
0:04:29 > 0:04:32who helped win it for Leave, but there was another group
0:04:32 > 0:04:38who could give the politici`ns something to ponder too.
0:04:38 > 0:04:42In the south-east, a nmumber of heavily-conservative are`s voted
0:04:42 > 0:04:45Leave, and that's no real strprise.
0:04:45 > 0:04:47What's more surprising is that it's thought a significant number
0:04:47 > 0:04:50of Labour voters also voted Out despite their party being fhrmly In.
0:04:50 > 0:05:00Among them was prominent Labour peer Lord Glasman.
0:05:01 > 0:05:0240% of Labour voters voted Brexit.
0:05:02 > 0:05:04But of that proportion that voted Leave, overwhelmingly
0:05:04 > 0:05:07they were the Labour base, working class in the north-dast
0:05:07 > 0:05:14north-west, the Midlands, and also the south-east.
0:05:14 > 0:05:18To find out why that might be, we went to meet Kay Green.
0:05:18 > 0:05:20Now retired, she's a life-long Labour voter, who also
0:05:20 > 0:05:23chose to Leave.
0:05:23 > 0:05:24Hello.
0:05:24 > 0:05:24Nice to meet you.
0:05:24 > 0:05:25Can I come in?
0:05:25 > 0:05:28Please do.
0:05:28 > 0:05:32I always thought Labour were for the working class,
0:05:32 > 0:05:35the working man, you know, and I proudly consider myself to be
0:05:35 > 0:05:38a working class person becatse I've worked all my life.
0:05:38 > 0:05:40But you think they were wrong on Europe.
0:05:40 > 0:05:42Yes, I think they were.
0:05:42 > 0:05:45I don't think they were thinking of the working people.
0:05:45 > 0:05:48I mean, look at all our industry that we've lost.
0:05:48 > 0:05:51Since we've been in Europe, all our steel and coal's gone
0:05:51 > 0:05:54and that's all the working people.
0:05:54 > 0:05:58Kay doesn't think any better of the Conservatives though.
0:05:58 > 0:06:03We all know that David Cameron's a millionaire in his own right,
0:06:03 > 0:06:06as is his wife, so they've got no clue really how the likes of us
0:06:06 > 0:06:09the man on the ground floor sort of thing, how we
0:06:09 > 0:06:19operate, how we live.
0:06:19 > 0:06:22Kay's feeling that politici`ns who wanted to stay in the ET weren't
0:06:22 > 0:06:25on the side of working people comes as no surprise to political experts.
0:06:25 > 0:06:28The whole deal with the EU was slanted massively in favour
0:06:28 > 0:06:31of the rich from the get-go and people just woke up to ht.
0:06:31 > 0:06:33There was this long-term perception that the European Union
0:06:33 > 0:06:36was in a sense not very democratic and was an elite-driven project
0:06:36 > 0:06:44which left ordinary people behind.
0:06:44 > 0:06:46It's just like everything's got out of control.
0:06:46 > 0:06:50Our health service, I mean, that's why the health service
0:06:50 > 0:06:53was set up for people like ts who couldn't afford to have medical
0:06:53 > 0:06:56treatment back in the day.
0:06:56 > 0:07:03Our housing alone is scandalous costs.
0:07:03 > 0:07:06I don't know if that was because we were in Europe
0:07:06 > 0:07:11but hopefully the government will be able to sort those things now we're
0:07:11 > 0:07:14coming out because we'll be able to make our own laws and look
0:07:14 > 0:07:18after own rather than have to look out after the rest of the world
0:07:18 > 0:07:22first and then our own as an afterthought.
0:07:22 > 0:07:29It's just don't seem fair.
0:07:29 > 0:07:33Now we're open to more people, we can sell and buy to other
0:07:33 > 0:07:35countries which could lead to better things and maybe make more jobs
0:07:35 > 0:07:37for people over here, bring more different businesses
0:07:37 > 0:07:41over, especially for Dover `s well.
0:07:41 > 0:07:44Make it a bit better cos thhs is the gateway to
0:07:44 > 0:07:49England, as they say.
0:07:58 > 0:08:00As the sound and fury of the campaign fade
0:08:00 > 0:08:02into distant memory, the question for the politicians
0:08:02 > 0:08:08will be how best to respond.
0:08:08 > 0:08:10That's an extraordinarily difficult question.
0:08:10 > 0:08:14I'm not sure I've really got the answer.
0:08:14 > 0:08:18Partly because I think that actually we do live in this world now
0:08:18 > 0:08:24in which populist rhetoric and politics is much more whdespread
0:08:24 > 0:08:33than it used to be and therd is just a very strong anti-mainstre`m,
0:08:33 > 0:08:36some would even say anti-political tenor and we don't just see it
0:08:36 > 0:08:38in Britain, we see it right around Europe,
0:08:38 > 0:08:42we see it with Donald Trump in the USA and so on and so forth
0:08:42 > 0:08:46as well, so I don't think there s any very easy response.
0:08:46 > 0:08:48And voters aren't likely to allow politicians,
0:08:48 > 0:08:53particularly the new Prime Linister, much time to come up with one.
0:08:53 > 0:08:57This afternoon I will travel to Berlin to meet Chancellor Merkel
0:08:57 > 0:09:00to discuss how to implement the decision the British people took
0:09:00 > 0:09:03in the referendum and I expdct we will also cover a number of other
0:09:03 > 0:09:05pressing international issuds, and tomorrow I will visit P`ris
0:09:05 > 0:09:09for similar discussions with President Hollande.
0:09:09 > 0:09:12Now she's new the Prime Minhster, they want to know, OK, well,
0:09:12 > 0:09:15you're new, we're leaving the EU, what are you going to bring
0:09:15 > 0:09:24to the table for us?
0:09:24 > 0:09:27And that's the message that the south-east seems to have
0:09:27 > 0:09:29sent ? we've voted to bring powers back to Westminster,
0:09:29 > 0:09:31now Westminster needs to make them work for us.
0:09:31 > 0:09:33If any political party can convince disaffected Leave voters
0:09:33 > 0:09:41that they are the party for them, they could be on to a winner.
0:09:55 > 0:09:57Helen Catt reporting.
0:09:57 > 0:09:59Coming up on Inside Out:
0:10:01 > 0:10:06What's next for our fishermdn with Brexit on the horizon?
0:10:06 > 0:10:09I voted to leave out of despair for the industry.
0:10:09 > 0:10:16It has been absolutely annihilated over the last 30 years.
0:10:21 > 0:10:31EU migrants who live in the south-east were watching
0:10:31 > 0:10:32the referendum particularly closely.
0:10:32 > 0:10:34It could have serious consequences for their future.
0:10:34 > 0:10:36But one Bulgarian has a surprising take on the result,
0:10:37 > 0:10:38as Rachel Royce reports.
0:10:38 > 0:10:41It's Amercian Classic Car D`y at Brooklands Motor Museum hn Surrey
0:10:41 > 0:10:44and Borislava Pepelyashka and her husband Manol Ivanov are
0:10:44 > 0:10:46making the most of it.
0:10:46 > 0:10:48I want to buy it.
0:10:48 > 0:10:53You need very deep pockets.
0:10:53 > 0:10:56I wont tell you what I'm asking for it but it's got
0:10:56 > 0:10:58an insured value of ?28,000.
0:10:58 > 0:10:59OK, that's great.
0:10:59 > 0:11:02Not that expensive for a car.
0:11:02 > 0:11:05We first met the Bulgarian couple when they arrived in the UK
0:11:05 > 0:11:06early last year.
0:11:06 > 0:11:09They were recruited by an employment agency in Kent
0:11:09 > 0:11:13Just a few months later, the couple went home.
0:11:13 > 0:11:15But after the summer in Bulgaria they decided to give
0:11:15 > 0:11:18the UK another go.
0:11:18 > 0:11:21Life is much better second time round but since they came b`ck
0:11:21 > 0:11:23there has been one big change.
0:11:23 > 0:11:26The UK has voted to leave the EU.
0:11:26 > 0:11:29As a result, however much they are enjoying themselves now,
0:11:29 > 0:11:32they may eventually be told to leave.
0:11:32 > 0:11:34So how do they feel about Brexit?
0:11:34 > 0:11:39Surprisingly, Borislava the Bulgarian is a Brexiteer.
0:11:39 > 0:11:42We fully understand why thex do so and we support them.
0:11:42 > 0:11:45If this was happening in my coutry and I had the opportunity
0:11:45 > 0:11:50to vote, I would probably vote to leave as well.
0:11:50 > 0:11:52That's really suprising that as a migrant you would say that
0:11:52 > 0:11:54Why do you say that?
0:11:54 > 0:11:58I do admire how tolerant Brhtish people are and I appreciate it
0:11:58 > 0:12:01but don't you think so many different people and culturds might
0:12:01 > 0:12:03change your traditions?
0:12:03 > 0:12:09Well, at 20 minutes to five we can now say...
0:12:09 > 0:12:12They didn't watch TV on refdrendum night so I played them the clip
0:12:12 > 0:12:20of the decision being announced by the BBC.
0:12:20 > 0:12:21What do you think of that?
0:12:21 > 0:12:23We're out - easy as that.
0:12:23 > 0:12:26Borislava and Manol came to the UK to earn money to pay for thhngs
0:12:26 > 0:12:27they want back home.
0:12:27 > 0:12:29They're building their own house and they have old cars
0:12:29 > 0:12:37they want to restore.
0:12:37 > 0:12:39But Borislava is finding th`t since Brexit she has less money
0:12:39 > 0:12:42to send home once her wages are converted into her own currency.
0:12:42 > 0:12:45She's also beginning to nothce price increases on her favourite
0:12:45 > 0:12:46Bulgarian foods.
0:12:46 > 0:12:47Did you find everything you are looking for?
0:12:47 > 0:12:50Actually, the price has risdn.
0:12:50 > 0:12:57Sorry, yeah, it went up a lhttle bit because of the weaker pound,
0:12:57 > 0:12:58because we brought all food from Bulgaria.
0:12:58 > 0:13:00So I think it is due to Brexit.
0:13:00 > 0:13:04Funnily enough.
0:13:04 > 0:13:06These days Brexit-supporting Borislava works as an officd manager
0:13:06 > 0:13:11just a mile from her home.
0:13:11 > 0:13:13She starts work early giving her plenty of free thme
0:13:13 > 0:13:17in the afternoon.
0:13:17 > 0:13:21Today she is having a manictre at Lily Nails in Dartford.
0:13:21 > 0:13:23How long have you been here?
0:13:23 > 0:13:26Almost three years.
0:13:26 > 0:13:27How about yourself?
0:13:27 > 0:13:34For me two years.
0:13:34 > 0:13:36Her beautician today is an hmmigrant called Anna Ahlberg.
0:13:36 > 0:13:38She's Swedish, but of Vietnamese descent.
0:13:38 > 0:13:39Because of the Brexit vote, how do
0:13:39 > 0:13:40you feel about that?
0:13:40 > 0:13:47Yes.
0:13:47 > 0:13:51I still got my family back hn Sweden so it would be easier if it didn't
0:13:51 > 0:13:54happen because I still need to go back and visit my mother and so
0:13:54 > 0:14:01on so it's quite easy to tr`vel
0:14:01 > 0:14:03Do you understand why so many British people voted to leave?
0:14:03 > 0:14:07Actually no.
0:14:07 > 0:14:09Borislava and Manol are not worried by Brexit but some
0:14:09 > 0:14:11of their friends are.
0:14:11 > 0:14:14Blago is a former housemate who works in IT.
0:14:14 > 0:14:17He wants to stay here for a long time and hopes the government
0:14:17 > 0:14:18doesn't go through with Brexit.
0:14:18 > 0:14:22I was suprised.
0:14:22 > 0:14:25Why?
0:14:25 > 0:14:28By the last minute I was thhnking they would vote the oppositd I never
0:14:28 > 0:14:35would thought England would vote this way.
0:14:35 > 0:14:37Do you think it was a mistake?
0:14:37 > 0:14:41I do believe it was a mistake and I don't think I'm the only one
0:14:41 > 0:14:44thinking this beacause I was reading a lot and many people on thd news
0:14:44 > 0:14:50said the same thing that if they had the chance to vote again
0:14:50 > 0:14:53they would vote the oppostite.
0:14:53 > 0:14:56The way I see it the referendum is just the government asking
0:14:56 > 0:14:59what people think but doesn't mean the government should follow
0:14:59 > 0:15:03what people have decided.
0:15:03 > 0:15:05Do you feel less welcome after the Brexit vote?
0:15:05 > 0:15:10Surprisingly no.
0:15:10 > 0:15:14I don't feel any difference after the vote or not.
0:15:14 > 0:15:18People are still very happy.
0:15:18 > 0:15:19They are still the same.
0:15:19 > 0:15:21Yes, exactly.
0:15:21 > 0:15:25To be honest, I feel the sale way.
0:15:25 > 0:15:27Even now, after the Brexit, I still feel welcome
0:15:27 > 0:15:31by the British people and I appreciate it.
0:15:31 > 0:15:37For me personally, it hasn't affected me in anyway.
0:15:37 > 0:15:46As a business owner, I think people are slightly worried
0:15:46 > 0:15:49what will happen to them in future so that means they are buying less.
0:15:49 > 0:15:50Your business wouldn't exist without Bulgarian
0:15:50 > 0:15:52migrants, would it?
0:15:52 > 0:15:53They are our main customer.
0:15:53 > 0:15:54You hope your customers will stay.
0:15:54 > 0:15:55Yes.
0:15:55 > 0:15:58Back in the nail salon Anna is still discussing her Brexit
0:15:58 > 0:15:59worries with Borislava.
0:15:59 > 0:16:02As I can see it now, I think it will be more
0:16:02 > 0:16:06negative than positive.
0:16:06 > 0:16:10But it might be easy to trade with the goods.
0:16:10 > 0:16:11Yeah, I thought so.
0:16:11 > 0:16:14Import, export.
0:16:14 > 0:16:16Even being outside the EU, it doesn't mean that the cotntry
0:16:16 > 0:16:18cannot negotiate with other countries.
0:16:18 > 0:16:20Anna wonders about the posshbility of a second vote.
0:16:20 > 0:16:23There are some people that would like to have a second referdndum.
0:16:23 > 0:16:27What do you think?
0:16:27 > 0:16:31It would be a huge mistake because the politicians alrdady gave
0:16:31 > 0:16:34to the people an opportunitx to vote so they have their decision
0:16:34 > 0:16:38and they have to respect it.
0:16:38 > 0:16:42Should we ask the people as many times as we want until we gdt
0:16:42 > 0:16:43the right answer we want?
0:16:43 > 0:16:46Why did they ask them in the first place then?
0:16:46 > 0:16:49I hope, as our new Prime Minister, Theresa May, promised,
0:16:49 > 0:16:51we get the best out of it.
0:16:51 > 0:16:53The best for Britain.
0:16:53 > 0:16:55I'm hoping Britain will strhke a deal which will be
0:16:55 > 0:17:00beneficial for both sides.
0:17:00 > 0:17:02Try it.
0:17:02 > 0:17:04The pipe is hot so watch out.
0:17:04 > 0:17:07Of course.
0:17:07 > 0:17:09Although there are plenty of things that Borislava and Manol love
0:17:09 > 0:17:11about living in Britian, they miss their family
0:17:11 > 0:17:12and friends back home.
0:17:12 > 0:17:15That is one reason they're not bothered by Brexit.
0:17:15 > 0:17:17It's hard to be away from place you belong to it
0:17:17 > 0:17:23and we really miss it.
0:17:23 > 0:17:26If I had the opportunity to work same job as I do here
0:17:26 > 0:17:29for the same amount of monex, I would never leave!
0:17:29 > 0:17:32And as a Bulgarian who supports Brexit, Borislava has made
0:17:32 > 0:17:35a new friend at the car show.
0:17:35 > 0:17:37If I had the opportunity to vote, I would probably
0:17:37 > 0:17:39vote to leave as well.
0:17:39 > 0:17:41I think that is an excellent thought.
0:17:41 > 0:17:45Thank you.
0:17:45 > 0:17:47The glitz and fun of the American Classic Car Show
0:17:47 > 0:17:50is a long way from some of the difficult days the couple
0:17:50 > 0:17:52experienced when they first came to the UK.
0:17:52 > 0:17:57But Borislava and Manol takd opportunties where they find them.
0:17:57 > 0:18:00If in the future they are no longer allowed to stay
0:18:00 > 0:18:03in the UK, they may go home, but the adventurous duo may also
0:18:03 > 0:18:11look for new opportunities elsewhere in Europe.
0:18:15 > 0:18:16Rachel Royce reporting.
0:18:16 > 0:18:19Now, one of the most vocal groups campaigning
0:18:19 > 0:18:22for Brexit were the fishermdn of the south-east.
0:18:22 > 0:18:26So what does the future now hold for them?
0:18:37 > 0:18:41It's an image from the in/ott battle that few can forget.
0:18:41 > 0:18:44The sight of fishermen charging up the Thames in protest,
0:18:44 > 0:18:48desperate to leave the EU.
0:18:48 > 0:18:52And our local fishermen were right in the thick of ht.
0:18:52 > 0:18:54Tell me about that day on the Thames, the flotilla.
0:18:54 > 0:18:57Oh, fantastic day out.
0:18:57 > 0:19:00John took part in the demonstration.
0:19:00 > 0:19:03He's the chairman of Thanet Fishermen's Associathon.
0:19:03 > 0:19:13The atmosphere was out of this world.
0:19:15 > 0:19:17On the day the fishermen were confronted by a boat
0:19:17 > 0:19:19of Remainers including Bob Geldof but the fishermen think
0:19:19 > 0:19:20this helped their cause.
0:19:20 > 0:19:21You're a fraud, Nigel!
0:19:21 > 0:19:23Go back to the river, cos you're up one
0:19:23 > 0:19:24without a canoe.
0:19:24 > 0:19:25Or a paddle.
0:19:25 > 0:19:26It's all right for millionahres
0:19:26 > 0:19:30I think if anyone deserves ` vote of thanks, it's Bob Geldof cos
0:19:30 > 0:19:32he actually raised our profile to the extent
0:19:32 > 0:19:33it made world news.
0:19:33 > 0:19:36So thanks, Bob!
0:19:36 > 0:19:39And you got the result you wanted on June the 23rd.
0:19:40 > 0:19:41Absolutely.
0:19:41 > 0:19:51We are looking forward to a new future.
0:19:52 > 0:19:56So what does the future involve
0:19:56 > 0:19:59Well, our fishermen want an end to the complicated rules and quotas
0:19:59 > 0:20:02which mean they end up catching fish and throwing them back dead,
0:20:02 > 0:20:04or bringing dead fish to shore that they can't sell.
0:20:04 > 0:20:06I voted to leave out of despair for the industry.
0:20:06 > 0:20:10It has been absolutely annihilated over the last 30 years.
0:20:10 > 0:20:13We are throwing back fish we could be selling,
0:20:13 > 0:20:17so we are having to stay at sea longer to catch more of whatever
0:20:17 > 0:20:19fish we are allowed to catch to pay the bills.
0:20:19 > 0:20:24It's a similar story further down the coast.
0:20:24 > 0:20:25Morning.
0:20:25 > 0:20:26What have you caught today?
0:20:26 > 0:20:28Mullet.
0:20:28 > 0:20:30Make up for yesterday.
0:20:30 > 0:20:35Mike Bailey has been fishing out of Poole Harbour for over 30 years.
0:20:35 > 0:20:39Recently his business has been struggling.
0:20:39 > 0:20:42The amount of fish Mike is `llowed to catch is limited by strict EU
0:20:42 > 0:20:46quotas, put in place to stop overfishing.
0:20:46 > 0:20:51Every month, you get a new set of quotas for the month,
0:20:51 > 0:20:54and you work out what it's worth and you think, "Well,
0:20:54 > 0:20:57that's two days' fishing and that's meant to last a month."
0:20:57 > 0:20:59It's overzealous, it's gone too far and they're making rules
0:20:59 > 0:21:02just for the sake of it.
0:21:02 > 0:21:04Obviously now the referendul's actually happened now we will get
0:21:04 > 0:21:07out of Europe eventually.
0:21:07 > 0:21:10Not over-hopeful, but hoping a lot of the rules and regulations
0:21:10 > 0:21:14will dissapear and we can m`ke it at a more local level.
0:21:14 > 0:21:18Today, Mike and his brother Dave are fishing for bass.
0:21:18 > 0:21:19No boats coming, Mike?
0:21:19 > 0:21:25Clear of boats.
0:21:25 > 0:21:27They're under pressure for a big catch.
0:21:27 > 0:21:31Not in terms of numbers, but each fish has to be large enough
0:21:31 > 0:21:34to meet EU standards.
0:21:34 > 0:21:37This year, the minimum size for bass has been increased to just
0:21:37 > 0:21:42over 42 centimetres, just over 16 inches.
0:21:42 > 0:21:45Most of the bass Mike catchds no longer measure up,
0:21:45 > 0:21:49and have to be thrown back.
0:21:49 > 0:21:52When we first started fishing for bass, the size limit
0:21:52 > 0:21:54was only ten inches.
0:21:54 > 0:21:59Now we'll be chucking ?150, ?200 worth back, last year's size.
0:21:59 > 0:22:02Not a fortune but would havd been nice this morning.
0:22:02 > 0:22:07We've got ?4 instead.
0:22:07 > 0:22:08Oh, well, let's do it.
0:22:08 > 0:22:12Let's get it done.
0:22:12 > 0:22:15Throw him back quickly so hd's got a chance of living.
0:22:15 > 0:22:18Throwing money away.
0:22:18 > 0:22:21Throwing money away means the crew don't get a wage.
0:22:21 > 0:22:25This is the first size increase since 1990.
0:22:25 > 0:22:29The fish that Mike is throwhng back have been sold to restaurants
0:22:29 > 0:22:31for the past 25 years.
0:22:31 > 0:22:35It's annoying.
0:22:35 > 0:22:38This is what we target, what we've always fished.
0:22:38 > 0:22:42Throw it away.
0:22:42 > 0:22:46We are born and bred to catch fish and we've got to throw it b`ck.
0:22:46 > 0:22:49Of the 30 fish that Mike and his brother catch,
0:22:49 > 0:22:5228 end up back in the water.
0:22:52 > 0:22:54Six or seven quid, that.
0:22:54 > 0:23:00Six or seven quid.
0:23:00 > 0:23:05I'd rather the five or six puid in my pocket than that.
0:23:05 > 0:23:08As well as having to dump fhsh that are not big enough,
0:23:08 > 0:23:11fishermen also have to throw away fish if they're not the species
0:23:11 > 0:23:15that they are allowed to catch.
0:23:15 > 0:23:16Fisherman complained about discarding the fish
0:23:16 > 0:23:18and the EU listened.
0:23:18 > 0:23:20They are phasing in a new sxstem.
0:23:20 > 0:23:22In many cases, instead of discarding the fish,
0:23:22 > 0:23:26they will have to bring the majority back to shore.
0:23:26 > 0:23:29But that has been changed now by the EU.
0:23:29 > 0:23:34They have banned discard, haven't they?
0:23:34 > 0:23:37Yes, they have been good thdy have banned discards and now I h`ve
0:23:37 > 0:23:43to bring it back to shore and dump it.
0:23:43 > 0:23:45Don't tell me the EU is any good for the UK fishing
0:23:45 > 0:23:48industry cos it isn't, it has been a total disaster.
0:23:48 > 0:23:50But it's a bit more complicated than that.
0:23:50 > 0:23:54Fish quotas and minimum sizds aren't just set by the EU.
0:23:54 > 0:23:56Our south-east fishermen are regulated by our own government
0:23:56 > 0:24:02and the United Nations as well as the European Union.
0:24:02 > 0:24:04With an exit from the EU on the horizon, fishermen
0:24:04 > 0:24:10want change, but will that even be possible?
0:24:10 > 0:24:15Tom Appleby is one of the UK's most prominent marine lawyers.
0:24:15 > 0:24:19A lot of European law implelents international law, so we can't just
0:24:19 > 0:24:25walk away and think they no longer apply because we are still bound
0:24:25 > 0:24:28by those international arrangements, so it isn't a question of shmply
0:24:28 > 0:24:31taking a line around the map and saying, "Yes,
0:24:31 > 0:24:33that's our sovereignty," that's not going to work.
0:24:33 > 0:24:37Whether we are in or out of the EU, it is the UK Government's job
0:24:37 > 0:24:40to decide how much of the n`tional quota the fishermen that we've met
0:24:40 > 0:24:43are allowed to catch.
0:24:43 > 0:24:46Inshore fishermen like thesd make up around 80% of the nation's
0:24:46 > 0:24:54fleet but receive a tiny share of the quota.
0:24:54 > 0:24:57Tom Appleby says some indivhdual large fishing companies havd more
0:24:57 > 0:25:02quota than all the inshore fishermen put together.
0:25:02 > 0:25:06The inshore fleet has something like 2-4% of the quota for the UK
0:25:06 > 0:25:11national quota and yet there are individuals running around
0:25:11 > 0:25:13with larger proportions than that.
0:25:13 > 0:25:16That is the biggest problem facing the UK at the moment and th`t's got
0:25:17 > 0:25:19nothing to do with Brussels.
0:25:19 > 0:25:21We asked the government what they planned to do
0:25:21 > 0:25:27to help our coastal fiosherlen now we are leaving the EU.
0:25:27 > 0:25:34They wouldn't meet us face to face, but did say this...
0:25:42 > 0:25:44Back in the English Channel, Mike and his brother
0:25:44 > 0:25:48are trying to make a living.
0:25:48 > 0:25:50I don't understand how you have to land everything, no
0:25:50 > 0:25:53matter what size it is, whereas we can throw it back
0:25:53 > 0:25:54like we've just done.
0:25:54 > 0:25:57We've thrown it back and at least we've got a ch`nce
0:25:57 > 0:25:58of catching it one day.
0:25:58 > 0:26:01It's got a chance to reprodtce and all the rest of it.
0:26:01 > 0:26:03What are they going to do whth it?
0:26:03 > 0:26:06Not they, we.
0:26:06 > 0:26:08Yeah, but the authorities, once we've taken it ashore?
0:26:08 > 0:26:10Destroy it?
0:26:10 > 0:26:20They've got to pay for it to go to a landfill I suppose.
0:26:21 > 0:26:25It doesn't make sense in th`t what we have been doing for years
0:26:25 > 0:26:27and taking care by putting the small fish back, we've done it
0:26:27 > 0:26:28with pride and now...
0:26:28 > 0:26:32It don't make sense.
0:26:32 > 0:26:34Do not make us take all our undersized fish and kill
0:26:34 > 0:26:36it all and destroy it.
0:26:36 > 0:26:37That makes me mad.
0:26:37 > 0:26:39I get quite emotional about that if that does happen.
0:26:39 > 0:26:40It doesn't make sense.
0:26:40 > 0:26:44The rules are stupid.
0:26:44 > 0:26:45Our fishermen want to see change.
0:26:45 > 0:26:51They say the quota system is unworkable.
0:26:51 > 0:26:53I think the government have finally realised they have got to start
0:26:53 > 0:26:55listening to people.
0:26:55 > 0:26:57They didn't think we would vote to leave Europe and
0:26:57 > 0:27:01the public have spoken.
0:27:01 > 0:27:03So they appear to be honouring their word
0:27:03 > 0:27:05and we are on our way out.
0:27:05 > 0:27:09I am hoping that they will do the same and listen
0:27:09 > 0:27:12to the fishing industry.
0:27:12 > 0:27:16So it's uncertain seas for our south-east fishermen.
0:27:16 > 0:27:20They voted to leave the EU hoping to protect their livelihoods but,
0:27:20 > 0:27:22with the Brexit button waiting to be pressed,
0:27:22 > 0:27:27their fate is in the hands of future negotiations.
0:27:27 > 0:27:30Until then, they have happy memories of the day they stormed
0:27:30 > 0:27:34the Thames and got the Brexht result they wanted.
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0:28:01 > 0:28:04When DNA was used in court for the first time.
0:28:04 > 0:28:08The Kent lawyer who won an immigration case.
0:28:08 > 0:28:13Then it was on TV and so on and then it was amazing stuff.
0:28:13 > 0:28:18Absolutely amazing.
0:28:18 > 0:28:21And the battle between the need to build houses and the need
0:28:21 > 0:28:23to protect the Kent and Sussex countryside.
0:28:23 > 0:28:28I have been told the governlent will impose a local plan on us.
0:28:28 > 0:28:30Someone has to do the deed of deciding where these houses
0:28:31 > 0:28:32are going to go.
0:28:32 > 0:28:35Once you have concreted over a field or a wood,
0:28:35 > 0:28:37that is it gone forever and it is not coming back
0:28:37 > 0:28:41when they decide they have lade the wrong decision.
0:28:41 > 0:28:45What does the future hold for Southern Railway?
0:28:45 > 0:28:46Is safety being compromised?
0:28:46 > 0:28:47Yes, it is.
0:28:47 > 0:28:50There have been stories abott people fainting and not even
0:28:50 > 0:28:51hitting the floor.
0:28:51 > 0:28:53That is it from us tonight from Dover.
0:28:54 > 0:28:55Thank you for watching.
0:28:55 > 0:28:57See you next week.
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