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:00:02. > :00:10.South West. Tonight, we report into the ongoing

:00:10. > :00:17.investigation into the M5 crash. We have remarkable new testimony from

:00:17. > :00:24.those involved in one of Britain's worst ever motorway pile-ups.

:00:24. > :00:29.was like stepping on to a movie set. It wasn't real. 10 days on, the

:00:29. > :00:32.questions are still being asked. can't believe you can have a

:00:32. > :00:34.firework display so close to a motorway.

:00:34. > :00:44.Also tonight, Jonathan Foyle uncovers the strange story behind

:00:44. > :00:44.

:00:44. > :00:54.the monument that towers above St. Ives. That is dramatic. This is

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:01:01. > :01:11.As the police continue their investigation into the M5 crash,

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:01:17. > :01:21.we've been hearing remarkable testimony from those involved.

:01:21. > :01:26.was getting up to speed and a head, I noticed a white wall. I said,

:01:26. > :01:36.that is the thickest fog I have ever seen. The lorries hit cars in

:01:36. > :01:41.front of us and we could here bang, bang, bang from behind as well. It

:01:41. > :01:47.was hell. It was the worst noise running through your head, just

:01:47. > :01:51.screams of people, not knowing what to do first. The next thing was as

:01:51. > :01:56.if somebody had thrown a black blanket over the windscreen. It

:01:56. > :01:59.went jet-black. And Inside Out can reveal that no

:01:59. > :02:02.fog warnings were displayed on the M5's electronic signs at the time

:02:02. > :02:08.of the accident, despite forecasts and reports of poor visibility that

:02:08. > :02:18.night. BBC viewers had been warned of fog and so had the Highways

:02:18. > :02:25.

:02:25. > :02:30.Agency. At 4 o'clock, its website was sent a forecast of fog and mist

:02:30. > :02:34.at the Met Office. These conditions were experienced by eyewitness, Rob

:02:34. > :02:44.Weaving. There were small patches of foregone water on the ground, it

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:02:48. > :02:50.was not raining heavily. Despite this, no warnings were displayed on

:02:50. > :02:53.the M5. We asked the Highways Agency, which controls the

:02:53. > :02:57.electronic boards, why? It said it had received no reports of adverse

:02:57. > :03:00.weather on any of its roads. And it said its control centre had been

:03:00. > :03:03.given advice by the Met Office that "did not highlight fog as a

:03:03. > :03:08.potential hazard" at the time of the crash. At around 8.15 that

:03:08. > :03:10.evening, a fireworks display at Taunton Rugby Club ended. A police

:03:10. > :03:17.investigation is ongoing into whether smoke from that played any

:03:17. > :03:20.part in the accident. Whatever the cause, for Ciara and Roger Neno

:03:20. > :03:30.there was no warning of what was to come as they joined the motorway at

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:03:33. > :03:40.junction 25. We pulled on to the M five and we were getting up to

:03:40. > :03:46.speed behind an Icelander truck in the middle lane, when we rolled

:03:46. > :03:50.into a wall of a very sudden, very, very thick, what appeared to be fog.

:03:50. > :03:55.It was like somebody had thrown a hood over the windscreen of a car.

:03:55. > :04:01.You could not see a thing. Almost as soon as that had happened, I

:04:01. > :04:07.could see the truck, but it was stationery. I was closing fast from

:04:07. > :04:14.about 80 metres, closing quite quickly, and having to break very

:04:15. > :04:20.sharply. I literally stood on the brakes. I was thinking, we are not

:04:20. > :04:28.going to stop. But we did. We stopped about two, from my memory,

:04:28. > :04:37.about 10 feet to spare. The lorries had cars in front of us and we

:04:37. > :04:44.could hear bang, bang, buying from behind as well. It was rhythmical.

:04:44. > :04:51.It was just like a beach. -- beta. I turned to cure and said, we are

:04:51. > :04:54.going to get hit. -- cure. Based on post crash pictures, we've tried to

:04:54. > :04:56.indicate what happened in the aftermath of the accident. The

:04:56. > :04:59.vehicles represented may not be exactly where they ended up

:04:59. > :05:03.immediately after the crash. The Nenos were in the very first phase

:05:03. > :05:07.of the collision, and Ciara was one of the first to dial 999. I said,

:05:08. > :05:12.we need ambulance, fire brigade and police. I said this is not just a

:05:12. > :05:15.small crash, there are many, many crashes and I can see fire. Then

:05:15. > :05:25.came the second phase of the crash. A lorry jack-knifed behind them,

:05:25. > :05:28.protecting the couple from impact. After probably 90 seconds, they

:05:28. > :05:33.said, I'm not sitting here any longer, I have got to see what I

:05:33. > :05:41.can do. That is when I stepped out of the car. It was like stepping on

:05:41. > :05:48.to a movie set. You just don't figure is real for a minute. Just

:05:48. > :05:50.mangled bits of metal everywhere and I can hear the music from the

:05:50. > :05:56.rugby club, and I just keep thinking, God, they have no idea

:05:56. > :06:03.what is going on appear. Roger saw two men trapped in the car directly

:06:03. > :06:08.in front of him, he borrowed a tyre lever from a truck driver. I ran

:06:08. > :06:15.back and told the guy in the seat to turn away, and I smashed the

:06:16. > :06:25.window. It smashed first time. I pulled him out. The chapel on the

:06:25. > :06:29.other side was very dazed. He was in a worse way. We said, move over,

:06:29. > :06:36.we will get you out. We couldn't open his door because he was at the

:06:36. > :06:40.barrier. He said, why, I'm OK? I said look, you engine is gone and a

:06:40. > :06:45.car is smoking, it might go up in flames, you need to get out. We

:06:45. > :06:49.pulled him out. Tom Hamill, his girlfriend Catherine and Dad, had

:06:49. > :06:59.pulled up behind the jack-knifed lorry. They too were remarkably

:06:59. > :07:04.lucky not to have been hit. I just remember sat there and Thomas was

:07:04. > :07:11.like, we are going to get hit, brace yourselves. We heard and saw

:07:11. > :07:17.to the left, cars just crashing in. Someone shouted, please, take my

:07:17. > :07:20.baby, take my baby, my husband is trapped in a car, take my baby.

:07:20. > :07:25.dialled 999, standing at the central reservation, as more cars

:07:25. > :07:30.were crashing into the back of us. I remember they call handler saying,

:07:30. > :07:33.how many cars? I kept saying, there's more! In this third phase

:07:33. > :07:36.of the crash, Matt and Michelle Craker, their son Fred and three

:07:36. > :07:44.dogs, ended up wedged on the hard shoulder between a lorry and the

:07:44. > :07:49.crash barrier. We got out and the van and straight away in front, I

:07:49. > :07:55.could see flames. Not coming from us, not the car in front, but it

:07:55. > :08:02.seemed about 10 feet away, big flames. There was fire. I remember

:08:02. > :08:06.before I actually descended the bank, the lorry was well alight,

:08:06. > :08:12.looking to the right, the Roads Service was on fire. There had

:08:12. > :08:17.obviously been a fuel spill. The last image of looking at the van

:08:17. > :08:23.was from the bottom of the embankments, looking up. The cab of

:08:23. > :08:28.the vans had flames in it so the fire had spread through the lorry,

:08:28. > :08:35.into the van. That is really within a matter of minutes a bus coming to

:08:35. > :08:41.a halt. A dash of us. The other side of the blazing lorry, Roger

:08:41. > :08:45.Neno followed a young woman's cries for help. Her car was pinned under

:08:45. > :08:52.the jack-knifed lorry. I thought the car -- the fire would spread

:08:52. > :08:59.underneath and it would not take long. I jumped over. The front door

:08:59. > :09:03.or was slightly ajar or at the top. They were not move. I told her to

:09:03. > :09:12.move back and Swanley Aaron at the window and on the 4th attempt it

:09:12. > :09:22.broke. -- I swung the Arran. I pulled right. I was trying to keep

:09:22. > :09:23.

:09:23. > :09:28.her calm and not panic so as not to panic her. I was thinking, it is

:09:28. > :09:34.raining, drizzle is all we need, but there is this strong smell of

:09:34. > :09:44.fuel and the residual all over the floor. As I was doing this I saw

:09:44. > :09:44.

:09:44. > :09:49.the lady... The Lou DiBella was pained by her legs under the back

:09:49. > :09:54.wheel. -- the lady that was pained. She was pinned under the lorry. She

:09:55. > :09:59.was screaming, help, get me out. I was fearful that she would lie

:09:59. > :10:02.there and burn as well. With no chance of releasing her, Roger ran

:10:02. > :10:05.for help, returning with an off- duty doctor and one of the fire

:10:05. > :10:13.crews which were now arriving Despite the fireball, the woman was

:10:13. > :10:17.saved. I could see Roger going towards the car. There was a huge

:10:18. > :10:23.fireball behind. It just exploded and I screamed at him, get out!

:10:23. > :10:27.I've got everything was could go up. Despite a fireball, the woman was

:10:27. > :10:30.saved. Roger and Ciara spent hours at the scene helping with the

:10:30. > :10:33.relief effort. The time between the Nenos stopping, and the first

:10:33. > :10:43.emergency services arriving took about the time it's taken you to

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:10:44. > :10:49.watch this film. 51 people were injured in the crash, seven died.

:10:49. > :10:52.The investigation may one day provide some answers. But for the

:10:52. > :11:02.people involved, the sights and sounds of that night will live with

:11:02. > :11:02.

:11:02. > :11:05.them for the rest of their lives. am talking about us and there are

:11:05. > :11:12.people who have lost family members and been permanently injured and

:11:12. > :11:22.their lives are changed for ever and... You know, I don't even have

:11:22. > :11:25.

:11:25. > :11:29.a scratch. It just doesn't make any sense. None at all. The police

:11:29. > :11:33.investigation continues. One line of inquiry is whether smoke from a

:11:33. > :11:39.fireworks display which was being held at Taunton Rugby Club may have

:11:39. > :11:44.been a contributing factor. It was billed as a dazzling night

:11:44. > :11:54.of family fun. But within 48 hours, this event was at the centre of a

:11:54. > :11:55.

:11:55. > :11:58.police criminal investigation. believe that whilst there was fog

:11:58. > :12:05.and there were difficult conditions that from witness evidence, there

:12:05. > :12:09.was significant smoke across the carriageway which cost a bank, so

:12:09. > :12:13.much to a far bank, which was very distracting it difficult to drive

:12:13. > :12:15.through. 10 days on, the question remains unanswered. Did a fireworks

:12:15. > :12:20.display at Taunton Rugby Club cause or contribute to Britain's worst

:12:20. > :12:26.motorway crash for 20 years? We wanted to talk to experts from the

:12:26. > :12:34.fireworks industry and those caught up in the tragedy. We found

:12:34. > :12:40.conflicting eyewitness accounts. cannot believe you can have a

:12:40. > :12:46.fireworks display so close to a motorway. It was foggy, so you

:12:46. > :12:50.would not be able to tell if there was smoke. The fireworks display

:12:50. > :12:59.with some were over there and I was over there. The accident happened

:12:59. > :13:04.just parallel, almost behind for ever read the posters. The -- where

:13:04. > :13:09.the rugby post is. Bev Davis heard the fireworks go off. It took her

:13:09. > :13:13.and her horses by surprise. couldn't believe it. I ran down to

:13:13. > :13:17.the entrance of the rugby club to ask them to stop so I could get my

:13:17. > :13:20.horses in. She went straight to talk to the organisers. While she

:13:20. > :13:25.was there, she raised the question of safety. A said I can't believe

:13:26. > :13:30.you can have a fireworks display so close to the motorway. The fact bet

:13:30. > :13:34.it was so bright and blaring, I just don't see how it could have

:13:34. > :13:36.been anything other than a distraction. A distraction and

:13:36. > :13:41.worries about smoke. Issues which have worried the public since the

:13:41. > :13:50.crash and ones the police are now examining. Tom Smith also takes an

:13:51. > :13:55.active interest. He's a pyrotechnics consultant. This is

:13:55. > :14:02.the rugby club, for the fireworks were fired from. This is the M5 and

:14:02. > :14:06.this is where the accident fight -- side was. He estimates the club is

:14:06. > :14:14.200 metres from the character way. These are low-level fireworks, and

:14:14. > :14:17.then hire of, Shiels bursting over the top. -- higher up. A Aurigny

:14:17. > :14:22.producing what looks like a lot of smoke? The amount of smoke I would

:14:22. > :14:25.expect from a display that size. We can see the fireworks clearly.

:14:25. > :14:35.There is obviously some smoke but it is not excessive. It will drift

:14:35. > :14:41.downwind but we do not know where the wind was. The forecast was for

:14:41. > :14:45.a south-westerly wind. If it is south-westerly the smoke would

:14:45. > :14:51.travel in this direction. That is parallel to the motorway ballad

:14:51. > :14:59.than towards it. Regardless of direction, what would happen to the

:14:59. > :15:03.smoke? It is finite. You cannot have a very thick and very deep. If

:15:03. > :15:11.it is over an extensive portion of the motorway Ben by necessity it

:15:11. > :15:14.must have been delayed and then. -- dilate and Fein. We decided to take

:15:14. > :15:17.a much closer look at the smoke generated by fireworks. Alan

:15:17. > :15:25.Christie's helping us. He detonates 16 tons of fireworks every year and

:15:25. > :15:30.is the man who puts the bang into the Bristol Balloon Fiesta. I have

:15:30. > :15:40.brought along a selection of the most ever got things you would find.

:15:40. > :15:43.

:15:43. > :15:51.There is a comical fountain, a 25 mm calibre, a Roman candle. Close

:15:51. > :15:55.up, this appeared to be very fine, almost like an aerosol spray. The

:15:55. > :15:58.Met Office has told us smoke can cause mist or fog to form in damp

:15:58. > :16:05.air. It can also thicken them up. But that's not what Alan's found

:16:05. > :16:13.from his experience with fireworks. Do you pick it would generate for

:16:13. > :16:18.almost? The not a chance. That is natural. The weather conditions,

:16:18. > :16:24.low pressure can help hold the smoke on the floor, but if the wind

:16:24. > :16:31.is not blowing, you see it dissipate over four or five minutes.

:16:31. > :16:35.We are going to try and have a look at one large firework going off,

:16:35. > :16:43.producing the smoke and heading across the road, to see how thick

:16:43. > :16:49.the smoke can be. As you can see, we have got the firework going and

:16:49. > :16:52.the smoke is being blown across the road. It is thick smoke and

:16:52. > :16:57.certainly it does not help having headlamps on. It is hard to see

:16:57. > :17:00.ahead. This experiment on a farmer's track is far from

:17:00. > :17:05.scientific and in no way does it replicate the display on 4th

:17:05. > :17:10.November. Of course, close up, firework smoke reduces visibility.

:17:10. > :17:13.But, is that what happened on the night? Those at the display on 4th

:17:13. > :17:16.November offer differing opinions about smoke and wind direction.

:17:16. > :17:23.There was no smoke. Literally, I walked away after the fireworks and

:17:23. > :17:26.there was no smoke. It was just fog, thick fog. The display was a very

:17:26. > :17:32.big, supposedly the biggest in Somerset and there was a lot of

:17:32. > :17:36.smoke created. The display ran for 15 minutes and afterwards of the

:17:36. > :17:41.smoke stayed around for a long time. You cannot see some of the pitch.

:17:41. > :17:46.The wind was blowing towards me. From where I was did, by the

:17:46. > :17:50.grandstand, that is away from the motorway. It was not drifting. It

:17:50. > :17:54.was holding fast, from what I understand, so I do not think it

:17:54. > :17:57.too quickly at all. Two opposing accounts. The police no doubt have

:17:57. > :18:05.many more points of view. Alan doubts smoke was an issue, but

:18:05. > :18:10.thinks the display itself had the potential to distract drivers.

:18:10. > :18:14.Would you have done it 200 metres from the M5? There is perhaps too

:18:14. > :18:21.close. 600 metres away and not have said was a problem but within 100

:18:21. > :18:25.metres, Sibly not. And within 200? A bit too close. The chances are

:18:25. > :18:28.you would not have run a show? It's a bold admission from Alan. He

:18:28. > :18:31.would not have run a fireworks display at Taunton Rugby Club.

:18:31. > :18:34.Reports suggest the fireworks had finished 10 minutes before the

:18:34. > :18:39.crash. The police will have the final word. They have 30 staff

:18:39. > :18:45.following up 200 lines of inquiry. A camera near junction 25 may hold

:18:45. > :18:50.vital clues. Smoke and fireworks remain a significant part of the

:18:50. > :19:00.investigation. The rugby club says it's working closely with Avon and

:19:00. > :19:03.Somerset Police. I was going to an event in told the... We joined the

:19:03. > :19:11.Wells MP Tessa Munt back at the scene of the crash. She too is an

:19:11. > :19:17.eyewitness. She was driving south on the M5 as the fireball raged.

:19:17. > :19:21.The heat was intense. It was burning hot. We were all of those

:19:21. > :19:26.lanes away. She wasn't aware of smoke or fireworks and on

:19:26. > :19:32.reflection, feels sympathy for the event organisers. If I was part of

:19:32. > :19:36.the rugby club I would feel awful. It must be so stressful for the

:19:36. > :19:43.people involved in organising this. So often they are for charity and

:19:43. > :19:51.they are events to raise money for good causes. I guess, mammals just

:19:51. > :19:54.feel terrible. -- that must adjust. It will take many weeks for the

:19:54. > :19:58.police to reach their conclusions but already, the issue of firework

:19:58. > :20:01.safety is under scrutiny once again. If the investigations show smoke

:20:01. > :20:05.from the despair with energy it is something we will now get very

:20:05. > :20:11.seriously and we would certainly incorporate information about that

:20:11. > :20:16.in training corporation -- causes. We do not want to react quickly to

:20:16. > :20:22.something we do not know about yet. All of these investigations will no

:20:22. > :20:26.doubt add to the picture. Some memorials need no explanation

:20:26. > :20:29.- like Sir Francis Drake's statue on Plymouth Hoe. But Historian

:20:29. > :20:33.Jonathan Foyle has been on the trail of a lesser known South West

:20:33. > :20:43.curious monuments of the lot Have you bought an antique and

:20:43. > :20:55.

:20:55. > :21:05.wondered what secrets it might hold? I love rummaging. On a recent

:21:05. > :21:06.

:21:06. > :21:09.trip, I came across a beautiful old trunk. It's a fine object in itself,

:21:09. > :21:13.but I probably wouldn't have taken it home if it hadn't been for the

:21:13. > :21:16.brass plate on the front that said: John Knill Esq. I didn't have a

:21:16. > :21:26.clue who John Knill was, so I did what any architectural historian

:21:26. > :21:26.

:21:26. > :21:33.would do in similar circumstances - I Googled him. He must have been

:21:33. > :21:38.some body! Instructions about the ceremony around his final resting

:21:38. > :21:41.place... 25th July, a few days' time. It turns out John Knill was

:21:42. > :21:51.an 18th century lawyer who made his name in Cornwall. And that's where

:21:52. > :21:56.

:21:56. > :22:01.I'm headed to find out more about the original owner of my trunk.

:22:01. > :22:04.That his dramatic! Knill's monument sits on a hilltop overlooking St

:22:04. > :22:14.Ives. Every five years, 10 young girls lead a procession of

:22:14. > :22:17.

:22:17. > :22:22.townsfolk up here and dance around the steeple, as its known. It is

:22:22. > :22:26.such a local thing, with local girls taking part. Use the John

:22:26. > :22:30.Knill wanting to remain in the memory of people of St Ives longer

:22:30. > :22:33.than is usual. He has done very well, 200 years. We are still

:22:34. > :22:36.dancing around. Harding has been Master of Ceremonies at the event

:22:37. > :22:40.for nearly half a century. I'm desperate to learn more about John

:22:40. > :22:47.Knill and why he deserved a monument, but I'm not about to find

:22:47. > :22:52.out from him. You need to go to the archive and do some investigation,

:22:52. > :22:58.frankly. There's an awful lot on him and it does mean digging. If

:22:58. > :23:08.you really want, have a look, because they have a lot of

:23:08. > :23:09.

:23:09. > :23:12.information. This is turning into a bit of a mystery tour! John Knill,

:23:12. > :23:16.biographical sketch. Just what I'm looking for. 60 years after Knill's

:23:16. > :23:23.death, his nephew, John Jope Rogers, wrote an account of his life and

:23:23. > :23:27.achievements. It's a mine of information. John Knill was born in

:23:27. > :23:33.East Cornwall in 1733. He trained as a lawyer in Penzance and at the

:23:33. > :23:37.age of just 29, became Collector of Customs and then mayor in St Ives.

:23:37. > :23:46.I'm now off to meet someone who can tell me about the St Ives that

:23:46. > :23:52.Knill knew and his impact upon the town. It was very poor fishing

:23:52. > :24:00.village. It had a very limited harbour. At that time it was only a

:24:00. > :24:05.fraction of the size we have now. It was through him that we have the

:24:05. > :24:11.street we are standing on now. When the time he was here, there was a

:24:11. > :24:17.boom in mining and there was always something to export. There was

:24:17. > :24:20.metal or and produce of the town, which was also a pilchard station.

:24:20. > :24:27.Brian's account helps us picture St Ives at the dawn of the industrial

:24:27. > :24:30.revolution. Boats would arrive from South Wales laden with coal to

:24:30. > :24:39.power with a steam engines driving their minds are deeper and deeper

:24:39. > :24:43.Underground. -- driving the coalmines. Pilcher's were being

:24:43. > :24:46.exported to Italy. So this was John Knill's world for the best part of

:24:46. > :24:49.20 years. It certainly sounds like he was a mover and shaker, but how

:24:49. > :24:52.many officials get a 50 foot monument for two decades of public

:24:52. > :24:55.service? This is where the story gets interesting. His nephew's

:24:55. > :25:01.account tells us that Knill left St Ives to continue his legal career

:25:01. > :25:11.in London in 1782. But before he went, he made plans for his own

:25:11. > :25:11.

:25:11. > :25:16.demise. Now, Knill wasn't keen on churchyard burials... Apparently he

:25:16. > :25:19.did not like the idea of bodies being piled up on top of each other,

:25:19. > :25:26.much as what was happening in the graveyard of St Ives Church, even

:25:26. > :25:30.in his dead. The ground is two metres above the surrounding lanes.

:25:30. > :25:34.So he chose his own final resting place up on top of Worvas Hill. His

:25:34. > :25:38.body was to be housed in a tomb at the foot of a steeple, which he

:25:38. > :25:47.commissioned himself. So there's a monument to John Knill because he

:25:47. > :25:50.paid for it. Some vanity project! Knill's vanity didn't end there. He

:25:50. > :25:58.even designed his own memorial ceremony, to be repeated every five

:25:58. > :26:02.years and paid for out of his will. He stipulated that 10 young girls

:26:02. > :26:06.should be selected and paid �5 each - a lot of money back then - and a

:26:06. > :26:09.surefire way to get their parents involved. After kicking off at the

:26:09. > :26:19.Guildhall, the procession makes its way up through the streets of the

:26:19. > :26:28.

:26:28. > :26:31.town, on its way to the monument. Knill said the girls should be the

:26:31. > :26:41.daughters of fishermen, tinners or seamen. That went by the board a

:26:41. > :26:46.

:26:46. > :26:51.while ago. All the more amazing when you realise that in the end,

:26:51. > :26:53.Knill wasn't actually buried here. The tomb is empty. From St Ives to

:26:54. > :26:58.St Paul's. To find out about Knill's later life and his body's

:26:58. > :27:08.final resting place, I've come back to London. Knill was very much a

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:27:10. > :27:15.man about town, living at the heart of the city. According to his

:27:15. > :27:21.nephew, Knill spent much of his time hanging out with writers in

:27:21. > :27:26.Paternoster Row. Sadly it was destroyed in the Blitz but it was

:27:26. > :27:34.frequented by the likes of Boswell and Dr Johnson. It must have been

:27:34. > :27:38.extraordinary. I discovered a poignant ending to John Knill's

:27:38. > :27:42.story. He died in 1811 and was buried at the church of St Andrew,

:27:42. > :27:45.in Holborn. But the redevelopment of that site meant his final

:27:45. > :27:55.resting place lay elsewhere, beneath another monument, but this

:27:55. > :28:02.

:28:02. > :28:06.one doesn't bear his name. Over the years the bodies were brought here,

:28:07. > :28:13.to London Metropolitan Cemetery. It strikes me as an irony that Knill

:28:13. > :28:17.was not buried in the monument he built. He is under this monument in

:28:17. > :28:20.a place he never knew, in a mass grave. But it's in Cornwall he'll

:28:20. > :28:30.be remembered. His body might not be here, but John Knill certainly