:00:07. > :00:12.Hello and welcome to Inside Out South-west, stories and
:00:12. > :00:18.investigations from where you live. Tonight: After the floods,
:00:18. > :00:22.remembering the victims. This is a beautiful girl, she didn't deserve
:00:22. > :00:25.that. The good die young and she was a good girl. Also tonight:
:00:25. > :00:32.While the rail companies fight the weather, I am struggling with their
:00:32. > :00:38.ticket machines. Where is the London? There we go. Any time soon,
:00:38. > :00:42.�116. I don't want that one. I want the �61 ticket.
:00:42. > :00:45.This machine is not offering the correctly priced ticket for the
:00:45. > :00:50.next train that leaves this station. In fact, it wants to charge nearly
:00:50. > :00:54.double what I should be paying. And, are we falling out of love
:00:54. > :00:59.with the car? Everybody just gave up and got that used to using
:00:59. > :01:03.Facebook and phones and sitting around or using public transport
:01:03. > :01:13.that I don't think anybody cares about cars any more. I am Sam Smith
:01:13. > :01:24.
:01:24. > :01:29.The flood waters may have subsided, but for many of the victims of the
:01:29. > :01:34.past week's deluge the misery and disruption goes on. Andrea has been
:01:34. > :01:38.following the stories of those caught newspaper the worst storm --
:01:38. > :01:44.caught up in the worst storm in the south-west in recent memory.
:01:44. > :01:48.Saturday, 24th November, 2012. Storms hit the south-west. Twice as
:01:49. > :01:56.much rain as you would expect in a month has fallen in the last six
:01:56. > :02:03.days. Tonight, rivers are at bursting point.
:02:03. > :02:09.Peter and Joan Richardson live next to one. We were watching television.
:02:09. > :02:16.Peter said, they've got water up to ankle deep across the way.
:02:16. > :02:26.I said, oh, Lord. The couple are in their 80s. Peter has bad arthritis
:02:26. > :02:31.and trouble walking. This year, Joan had a stroke. It had been
:02:31. > :02:37.raining non-stop all day. But their house had never flooded before.
:02:37. > :02:47.They feel safe. Outside, and the homeless community aren't feeling
:02:47. > :02:51.
:02:51. > :02:54.quite so protected. One young woman heldz for shelter, she knows a
:02:54. > :03:00.place they'll be safe. They settle for the night on the edge of the
:03:00. > :03:05.city centre. 10.00pm and still the rain falls and the warnings
:03:05. > :03:11.continue. Many parts of England are facing the threat of more flooding
:03:11. > :03:16.tonight with no letup in the heavy rain... I went into the kitchen to
:03:16. > :03:20.get a drink and I looked out the window and normally the river, you
:03:20. > :03:29.can just see the top of it and it was up to the window sill in the
:03:29. > :03:34.sitting room, roaring through and I thought, this is dodgy. This is the
:03:34. > :03:42.River Kenn at Kennford, normally no more than a gentle stream next to
:03:42. > :03:51.Joan and Peter's house. It sounds stupid really! But I started trying
:03:51. > :03:55.to sweep it up in my dustpan! And put it in the bucket. I was there
:03:55. > :04:05.on my knees doing this and then it suddenly started coming in from the
:04:05. > :04:10.back. The river had come over the wall, which wasn't high enough, and
:04:10. > :04:18.it had started pouring in through the conservatory.
:04:18. > :04:24.Bailing it out. It's come in all the rooms.
:04:24. > :04:31.There was just mud everywhere. I mean, I can't explain it.
:04:31. > :04:37.It was depositing all this rubbish everywhere. Midnight, and the
:04:37. > :04:41.couple are exhausted. But bailing as fast as they can manage.
:04:41. > :04:44.At the same time, in Exeter, the emergency services get a call. A
:04:44. > :04:54.spruce tree has come down in the storm and a tent with three people
:04:54. > :04:58.in it is underneath. Michelle Conroy was just 21. She
:04:58. > :05:04.was taken to hospital but died shortly afterwards. Her friend Jazz,
:05:04. > :05:10.who is also homeless, knows how vulnerable they all are. If you are
:05:10. > :05:14.sitting in a tent it can be really scary, if it's really windy. You
:05:14. > :05:20.know, it's a lashing down with rain, the main things you are thinking of
:05:21. > :05:26.is, are you going to flood? Where Michelle was, it was high ground.
:05:26. > :05:31.She wasn't on low ground. She was on high ground. With a wall next to
:05:31. > :05:35.her, which with it being ideal place to camp because you have the
:05:35. > :05:40.shielding of the wall, and the coverage of the tree, like this
:05:40. > :05:44.tree now. In their heads they would have been thinking, OK, that will
:05:44. > :05:47.keep us shielded, we will keep us warm and we are on high ground.
:05:47. > :05:55.They did do the sensible thing, just in the wrong place. The wrong
:05:55. > :06:00.time. Kevin, Finn and Jazz are shocked by what happened. She was a
:06:00. > :06:06.beautiful girl. You know, she didn't deserve that. Didn't deserve
:06:06. > :06:09.that, you know. As they say, the good die young. She was a good girl.
:06:10. > :06:13.You get most of the homeless community, you think, have you got
:06:13. > :06:16.a cigarette all the time, that's part of the community. But with
:06:16. > :06:19.Michelle it was never that. You might probably have heard her once
:06:19. > :06:26.saying, do you mind if I have a cigarette, but that was it. That's
:06:26. > :06:30.how Michelle was. By Monday, Kennford is awash with TV crews and
:06:30. > :06:39.satellite trucks. The scale of the flooding is clear. Right, we will
:06:39. > :06:49.see what the damage is in here. Oh my Godfathers! That was the same
:06:49. > :07:00.
:07:00. > :07:05.colour as the tiles, originally. This area was absolutely horrific.
:07:05. > :07:14.But I couldn't stand it any longer, so I have been on my hands and
:07:14. > :07:18.knees trying to get the mud off. Swimming with mud. In Exeter, word
:07:18. > :07:21.spreads about Michelle's death and treub pwaoutsz are laid nearby.
:07:21. > :07:26.-- tributes are laid nearby. think the feeling is sadness,
:07:26. > :07:30.really. That's something has happened. It could be one of those
:07:30. > :07:35.things, the fact a thing has got so desperate that someone still has to
:07:35. > :07:38.sleep outside on a night like that, you know. That's probably the most
:07:38. > :07:43.tragic thing here, isn't it? Someone felt they had nowhere to go
:07:43. > :07:48.even on a night like that, you know. The feeling among Exeter's homeless
:07:48. > :07:52.community is that they've been let down and anger is building. She was
:07:52. > :07:58.vulnerable. She paid for that with her life, basically. A lot more
:07:58. > :08:05.could be done regarding maybe providing a place or somewhere we
:08:05. > :08:11.can go for night shelter, right. In case our tents have got flooded out
:08:11. > :08:15.which they do, nine times out of ten, they're flooded. Exeter City
:08:15. > :08:19.Council says it has a winter weather protocol which kicks in
:08:19. > :08:25.when temperatures are at zero or below. But there's no protocol for
:08:25. > :08:31.the kind of weather we saw on Saturday night. They can open
:08:31. > :08:35.hostels but then they start splitting us up. The women can't
:08:35. > :08:40.sleep in the same room, or whatever but we sleep outside, right,
:08:40. > :08:47.together anyway. You know, I mean, people got dogs so you can't go in
:08:47. > :08:52.hostels. Back in Kennford and it's not until Wednesday Joan and
:08:52. > :09:01.Peter's sodden carpets are ripped out.
:09:01. > :09:08.I think I've got to the stage when any thoughts, sentimental thoughts
:09:08. > :09:11.or anything like that, have completely gone by the board.
:09:11. > :09:16.There's no use moaning too much about it, you can't change it. You
:09:16. > :09:21.just got to say right, we got to do this and that and clean up. Get all
:09:21. > :09:25.new stuff, if need be. And look forward to the spring!
:09:25. > :09:29.It will be months before life for Peter and Joan gets back to normal.
:09:29. > :09:33.As for the homeless community, well, they'll probably have a lot longer
:09:33. > :09:43.to wait for a weather protocol that isn't just for the cold, but for
:09:43. > :09:45.
:09:45. > :09:51.One of the biggest impacts of the floods to the region as a whole was
:09:51. > :09:53.the disruption it caused to our railways. The chaos has highlighted
:09:53. > :10:02.land standing calls for more investment in this vital link and
:10:02. > :10:08.for a better deal for passengers. I've been investigating.
:10:08. > :10:12.The south-west's rail service is under pressure like never before.
:10:12. > :10:20.The floods didn't just stop the training running, they seriously
:10:20. > :10:26.damaged the track and signalling. Network Rail had only just finished
:10:26. > :10:31.repairing flood damage from a few days before. Words can't really
:10:31. > :10:35.describe. It's upsetting to see the work pwef done and more -- the work
:10:35. > :10:40.we have done and passengers can't back again, horrific. Not seen
:10:40. > :10:45.something like that before here. The disruption has tested an ageing
:10:45. > :10:49.infrastructure that's under pressure from increasing demand.
:10:49. > :10:58.And while it might be one of the most scenic railways, some
:10:58. > :11:04.customers feel they pay too high a price.
:11:04. > :11:08.Richard Highley commutes weekly from South Devon to London.
:11:08. > :11:14.The fares, they're painful. They've gone up year on year and they seem
:11:14. > :11:21.to be going up by more than the price of inflation. Nothing's
:11:21. > :11:25.changed. The loos stay the same, the cafes, seats stay the same and
:11:25. > :11:29.you think where's my money gone? Why the tper increase? -- fare
:11:29. > :11:36.increase? Richard is right about some fares. According to one expert
:11:36. > :11:39.prices on standard singles on the Great Western network have risen by
:11:39. > :11:44.200 overs 17 years. Normal inflation would have seen them rise
:11:44. > :11:48.by 60% and it's the highest rise in the country. First Great Western
:11:48. > :11:53.says it's only had the Fran franchise for the last seven years
:11:53. > :11:57.and some prices have gone down. also have very cheap book ahead
:11:57. > :12:01.tickets on most of the local lines around Devon and Cornwall. We
:12:01. > :12:04.reduced fares by around about 25- 30% in the early days of the
:12:04. > :12:08.franchise and many are cheaper now than six years ago. If you are
:12:08. > :12:12.travelling up to London in the peak, and you haven't booked ahead, no
:12:12. > :12:22.cheap tickets are not available. That's a function of the peak
:12:22. > :12:24.
:12:24. > :12:29.To travel to London from Newton Abbott on a peak train costs �116.
:12:29. > :12:34.But travel on a slightly later train, and it costs �61. Or even
:12:34. > :12:38.down to �47 at very quiet times. Richard gets a better deal by
:12:38. > :12:43.booking in advance, cutting the price to just �40. But if you are
:12:43. > :12:50.not in the know on train fares, you can get caught out. Take the ticket
:12:50. > :12:54.price trap that lays in wait for the unwary, at Newton Abbott's self
:12:54. > :13:02.service machine. So the 7.32 is the last peak train of the morning and
:13:02. > :13:06.the fare for a single to London is �116. I want to get the 8.06
:13:06. > :13:14.because the fare is cheaper. It is 7.36 so let us see what ticket the
:13:14. > :13:21.machine is going to sell me. So, touch here to buy tickets to travel.
:13:21. > :13:25.OK, so what do we have? London terminal, any single. �116. I know
:13:25. > :13:35.that is the price for the train that has gone but it is not for the
:13:35. > :13:36.
:13:36. > :13:42.next train out. Other fares. OK. Confused. Where is the London?
:13:42. > :13:48.London Paddington, there we go. Any time single. �116. I don't want
:13:48. > :13:52.that one I want the �61 ticket. This machine is not offering me the
:13:52. > :13:55.correctly priced ticket, for the next train that leaves this station.
:13:55. > :14:00.In fact, it wants to charge me nearly double what I should be
:14:00. > :14:08.paying. Finally more than ten minutes after it could have done,
:14:08. > :14:16.the machine coughs up the cheaper fare. There we go. It is 7.45.
:14:16. > :14:19.can finally buy that �61 fare. This isn't a one off. Consumer
:14:19. > :14:25.researchers found on average passengers pay more than they need
:14:25. > :14:29.to, when they buy a ticket at these sors of machines. -- sorts. They
:14:29. > :14:34.want more clarity. Sorting out those machines, to make the
:14:34. > :14:38.cheapest ticket available wouldn't be that difficult. Well, the trade
:14:38. > :14:42.off here is between how complicated you make the machine to provide a
:14:42. > :14:45.wide range of tickets and how simple do you make it so people can
:14:45. > :14:49.feel comfortable using it. We have a choice, there is a ticket machine
:14:49. > :14:52.for people who are comfortable using it. There are welcoming well
:14:52. > :15:01.trained staff for those who want help and advice about the ticket to
:15:01. > :15:04.buy. There is one set of passengers who aren't complaining about the
:15:04. > :15:10.price. Those who make short off- peak journeys in the south-west
:15:10. > :15:15.have seen fares go down in real terms. But they are the only ones.
:15:15. > :15:20.Alice can't take advantage of cheaper fares. She has to travel in
:15:21. > :15:25.peak times. And so do many others. As a regular commuter I get the
:15:25. > :15:30.earliest train in and a peak train back, have been trust rated. It is
:15:30. > :15:36.cramped and overcrowded and my dad and sister have had similar
:15:36. > :15:40.experiences where they have had to take taxi back due to it being so
:15:40. > :15:43.overcrowded. It is so bad that Alice is trying to do something
:15:43. > :15:48.about it. She is organising a petition to get First Great Western
:15:48. > :15:52.to put another carriage on the line. But providing additional rolling
:15:52. > :15:57.stock is far from easy. According to one expert who studied the
:15:57. > :16:00.railway network and is on the board of First Great Western. The problem
:16:00. > :16:04.is there is a shortage of rolling stock, even the aged rolling stock
:16:04. > :16:09.we have to put up with here in the south-west. There isn't enough of
:16:09. > :16:13.it to increase the length of the trains. There won't be for another
:16:13. > :16:17.few years, once we have electrification projects taking
:16:17. > :16:22.place elsewhere, that will free up rolling stock which can come down
:16:22. > :16:29.and bolster what we have got. But it seems very easy to do. At the
:16:29. > :16:34.moment, in our structure it isn't. So how have we got to this point?
:16:34. > :16:39.Under investment after the First World War left us with an ageing
:16:39. > :16:45.network. The cuts dealt a blow to local service, some important lines
:16:45. > :16:52.were axed, and we are still feeling effects of those cuts today. And
:16:52. > :16:56.then there is the original routing of the main line itself. From the
:16:56. > :17:02.south-west, the main line went up to Bristol, and then on to London.
:17:02. > :17:09.But that added 20 miles to the journey to the capital. Another
:17:09. > :17:13.more direct line was developed, called the Berks and Hants, but it
:17:13. > :17:18.was an afterthought and Plymouth to London is one of the slowest
:17:18. > :17:22.InterCity services in the country. A few years ago sh you could catch
:17:22. > :17:26.a train here at Plymouth at 6am and be in London at nine. It was a
:17:26. > :17:29.three hour journey. But the train they were using developed technical
:17:29. > :17:34.problems and was withdrawn. Now, a quick check of the timetable
:17:34. > :17:42.reveals that if you want to be in London by nine, you have to get up
:17:42. > :17:46.seven minutes earlier. It leaves at 5.53. There are three hour trains
:17:47. > :17:51.at other times of the day but a group of Plymouth business leaders
:17:51. > :17:55.are pressing for there to be more, in both directions but delivering
:17:55. > :17:59.that is problematic according to one expert. Under the current
:17:59. > :18:02.structure it is difficult, there are lots of different players, and
:18:02. > :18:08.in addition, if you are going to run a train every hour, to take
:18:08. > :18:12.three hours from Plymouth to London, you would be taking stops out of
:18:12. > :18:16.existing services in order to speed up the ones we already have. So try
:18:16. > :18:23.explaining to the good folk of Totnes and Tiverton that they are
:18:23. > :18:30.going to get fewer trains. course, the past week's dramatic
:18:30. > :18:35.events have left rail/rar ray for es plaining why there have been no
:18:35. > :18:38.trains on some stretches. It is unlikely any legal of invest t
:18:38. > :18:42.could have protected the railways from the weather we have had. But
:18:42. > :18:49.for those passengers fed up with fare rises, and overcrowding,
:18:49. > :18:53.seeing the main line severed might have felt like the final insult.
:18:53. > :19:03.Although there could be one more to come, next year's fare rises are
:19:03. > :19:04.
:19:04. > :19:08.due to be announced later this week. Passenger numbers on trains may be
:19:08. > :19:14.going up but it is the car that has been our favourite form of
:19:14. > :19:18.transport for half a century. But Inside Out South West has had
:19:18. > :19:21.access to major research was suggests for some people that love
:19:21. > :19:30.affair with the motor vehicle may be coming to an end. The BBC's
:19:30. > :19:35.transport correspondent has been investigating. Building roads is
:19:35. > :19:41.controversial, but not building them could be controversial too. So
:19:41. > :19:47.how do the planners get it right? How do they decide where to spend
:19:47. > :19:54.our taxes, on road, or rail? The only way you can ever be sure, is
:19:54. > :19:58.to beam yourself into the future. We all know how easy that is! When
:19:58. > :20:03.these fans were watching their favourite series back in the 60 we
:20:03. > :20:09.thought we knew how we would travelling by 2012. There was talk
:20:09. > :20:15.of having a little personal car that flew. But sci-fi got it wrong.
:20:15. > :20:19.Most of us get round now the same way we did 50 years ago, having
:20:19. > :20:26.your own jet pack remains a distant dream. Ever since I can remember we
:20:26. > :20:36.have asouped that traffic is going to get worse and worse. After all,
:20:36. > :20:37.
:20:37. > :20:42.we really love our cars, don't we? Maybe not. I mean whisper it but
:20:42. > :20:49.there is a rumour going round ta we are falling out of love with our
:20:49. > :20:54.four wheels. In fact they have given it a name. Peak Car. So, what
:20:54. > :20:59.is Peak Car? Just look at UK traffic growth in the '60s and 70s
:21:00. > :21:06.when we couldn't get enough. By the '90s the trend was already slowing.
:21:06. > :21:10.By about 2002, average mile Alan per person stalled. -- mileage.
:21:10. > :21:17.the love after tear with the car cooling down? What seems to be
:21:17. > :21:21.happening, in very many advanced country, including America, is that
:21:21. > :21:27.traffic growth, due to car use simply is not going ahead at the
:21:27. > :21:31.same rates it used to. Now, Inside Out has been given the first piece
:21:31. > :21:35.of in-depth research into Peak Car in the UK, and this report is full
:21:35. > :21:39.of surprise, it shows that while some of us are driving more than
:21:39. > :21:44.ever, others are dramatically chaining the way they travel. --
:21:44. > :21:48.changing. Take young men for example. Like a lot of young men I
:21:48. > :21:55.thought getting my driving licence was a rite of pa San, but that is
:21:55. > :21:58.changing. -- passage. Mark trader Lee Vernons is 19. But he won't be
:21:58. > :22:06.adding to the traffic round Mansfield Nottinghamshire any time
:22:06. > :22:10.soon. He has been forced to sell up, because he has been quoted �2800 to
:22:10. > :22:15.ensure his three Wheeler. I love it. It is great looking car, it is a
:22:15. > :22:23.classic car, they are very rare, but insurance is too much and I
:22:23. > :22:27.can't afford it. The research shows Lee is not alone. Young men are
:22:27. > :22:32.driving 2,000 miles a year less than they were in 1995. Women
:22:32. > :22:36.though, young and old, are driving more than they used to. So what is
:22:36. > :22:41.going on? I think what has changed, attitude wise, I think everybody
:22:41. > :22:45.has gave up and got that used to using Facebook and the phone, and
:22:45. > :22:51.sitting round, or using public transport, I don't think anybody
:22:51. > :22:54.cares about cars any more. One of the big things from this report is
:22:54. > :22:58.that young men aren't driving so much. There are a lot of
:22:58. > :23:02.explanations for that, including rise of higher education, rise in
:23:02. > :23:06.insurance costs, but the important point, is that this, if that trend
:23:06. > :23:14.carries on, then we will see less car traffic, and a lot less car
:23:14. > :23:22.ownership as well. So, what else has the report found? Well, this is
:23:22. > :23:28.the rainy 7. 16 to Warwick Parkway, the numbers using this line have
:23:28. > :23:32.gone up by 40%. And according to the report, that is in line with
:23:32. > :23:37.the national trend, since the mid 90s the distance the average person
:23:37. > :23:44.travels by rail has soared by more than 60%. The last time the trains
:23:44. > :23:50.were that busy was during the war. The key growth is in two area, one
:23:50. > :23:56.is business travel in the morning, and the other is is on leisure
:23:56. > :24:02.travel, where train travel has become cheaper. It costs more to
:24:02. > :24:07.travel by car, congestion is increasing. And of course, all
:24:07. > :24:12.those gadgets mean you can work or play on the move. You can even book
:24:12. > :24:19.your ticket on the train f you can get a signal that is. While
:24:19. > :24:24.business travel by rail is up, company car mileage is down by 40%
:24:24. > :24:27.between 1995 and 2007. So that is before the recession. Scrapping tax
:24:27. > :24:33.breaks made the difference and it has had a big impact on traffic in
:24:33. > :24:37.London. Despite more people moving to the capital, there are fewer
:24:37. > :24:41.cars here. But the report found people in the countryside seem to
:24:41. > :24:49.be driving as much, if knots more than ever. Of course, in big cities,
:24:49. > :24:53.you do have a lot of options for getting round. Fairfax Hall runs a
:24:53. > :24:56.London company making gin and vodka and thinks he has distilled the
:24:56. > :25:01.perfect formula for company travel. Whenever they need a car or a van,
:25:01. > :25:11.they book it from a car club, and pick it up from a designated
:25:11. > :25:13.
:25:13. > :25:18.parking space 15 minutes later. T a small start up business. We
:25:18. > :25:23.invested everything we had into the distillery. Investing loads of
:25:23. > :25:28.money into a van just didn't seem like a good use of capital. So it
:25:28. > :25:34.is relatively low cost and the other benefit is flex bill. If you
:25:34. > :25:38.jump into a brand-new vehicle and drive it at is a minutes notice.
:25:38. > :25:42.so here is a question. What does all this research mean for the
:25:42. > :25:50.future of the UK car industry? After all, we have had a bit of a
:25:50. > :25:53.boom recently. The UK is on course to produce more cars than at any
:25:53. > :26:00.time since 1972. That is not because we are buying ourselves a
:26:00. > :26:07.new motor, 80% of being exported. These Minis are heading for Asia an
:26:07. > :26:11.South America. Last month, in London, at the RAC's Future Car
:26:11. > :26:14.Challenge, another famous sci-fi face was in no doubt what that
:26:14. > :26:19.future holds. I think what is happening now is a huge challenge
:26:19. > :26:23.for the car industry. I think that I don't see that the car is coming
:26:23. > :26:27.to an end. They are too useful and electric cars are part of that.
:26:27. > :26:32.Electric cars in a city that you don't own makes much more sense,
:26:32. > :26:35.you have somewhere to park it where it is always charged. It is not
:26:35. > :26:39.just the car industry that will be looking at this research. The
:26:39. > :26:43.Department for Transport is planning a major road building
:26:43. > :26:49.programme, all based on the assumption that traffic will go up
:26:49. > :26:54.by 44% over the next two decade, but what if they have got it wrong?
:26:54. > :26:59.After all, since 1989 successive Governments have overestimated
:26:59. > :27:03.traffic growth. This is the range of predictions, the red line is
:27:03. > :27:08.what has actually happened. There is a risk forekas are going to be
:27:08. > :27:13.wrong, the key thing the Department for Transport model dus is takes a
:27:13. > :27:18.wide rich sense of data. It ensures that is analysed rigorously, there
:27:18. > :27:22.are a lot of useful things for us to go away and look at. I am not
:27:22. > :27:26.convinced it shows we have reached Peak Car. The Government points
:27:26. > :27:31.thuet the UK population is predicted to grow by another 10
:27:31. > :27:35.million in the next 25 years, and the RAC Foundation who help fund
:27:35. > :27:40.the report says that means we are still going to need more roads.
:27:40. > :27:45.This is not the end of the car, the use of the car has been declining
:27:45. > :27:49.but for 70% of the population people will need to use cars unless
:27:50. > :27:53.they have railways and buses available and most will not. Almost
:27:53. > :28:00.half a century ago, when Star Trek started this is what we thought
:28:00. > :28:03.travel in the 23rd might look like. And it is pure 60s. It all goes to
:28:03. > :28:07.show, just how hard it is to predict the future. You see, the
:28:07. > :28:12.danger is you just end up assuming it will be like a bigger version of
:28:12. > :28:16.what we have today. Now, the motor car has been the transport story of
:28:16. > :28:22.the last 50 year, and I never thought I would say this, but I
:28:22. > :28:32.just might not be the transport story of the next 50. What does