:00:07. > :00:10.Hello and welcome to Inside Out, here's what's coming up tonight:
:00:10. > :00:14.The aggressive sales tactics by a newspaper group that left small
:00:15. > :00:19.businesses thousands of pounds out of pocket.
:00:19. > :00:25.You almost feel violated don't you? You know. You feel - can you trust
:00:25. > :00:30.anybody after this? You certainly can't trust yourself.
:00:30. > :00:33.The battle over badgers, lovable but the farmer's worset nightmare.
:00:33. > :00:39.Other forms of wildlife certainly could carry BTB, but badgers are
:00:39. > :00:45.the one that seem to be blamed. I'm am definitely in favour of the
:00:45. > :00:48.cull if it would deal with the TB in the area and in the UK.
:00:48. > :00:51.The Duchess of Bedford is now opening the first all-woman flying
:00:51. > :00:54.meeting. And we celebrate the pioneering
:00:54. > :00:57.women who first took to the skies here in the South.
:00:57. > :01:07.I was never stopped doing anything because I was female but I've
:01:07. > :01:17.always been looked after. I'm John Cuthill and this is Inside
:01:17. > :01:20.
:01:20. > :01:23.First tonight, advertising in a local newspaper might seem a cheap
:01:23. > :01:26.and easy way to sell something or promote a business but we've
:01:26. > :01:35.discovered one publisher with some pretty pushy tactics when it comes
:01:35. > :01:38.to putting ads in its papers and it's cost some of you thousands.
:01:38. > :01:43.Paul Swaffield from Weymouth owns race horses and he's often placed
:01:43. > :01:46.ads in newspapers to sell them. But when he was approached out of the
:01:46. > :01:49.blue by a newspaper group it triggered a series of events that
:01:49. > :01:53.left him thousands of pounds out of pocket.
:01:53. > :01:57.They say we have distribution in your area. It'll boost your sales
:01:57. > :02:03.We've got 15,000 of these papers in your area.
:02:03. > :02:06.How did you get involved with them? Did they find you or did you find
:02:06. > :02:11.them? They found me. There's various
:02:11. > :02:15.methods I've learnt that they use. You advertise in your local paper,
:02:15. > :02:17.they see the advert, they ring you up and say, "We have a new paper
:02:17. > :02:24.out with wide distribution, it'll really boost your business," la-la-
:02:24. > :02:27.la and you give them a go I suppose and that's what happened to me.
:02:27. > :02:32.Then another newspaper rang me up and another and another and there
:02:32. > :02:35.all the same people really, undera different guise.
:02:35. > :02:38.So instead of bringing in customers, things ground to a halt. Paul
:02:38. > :02:44.discovered he was paying for additional adverts and the payments
:02:44. > :02:49.were mounting up. I wasn't looking at my credit card.
:02:49. > :02:54.It comes a month later or whatever. I got a new secretary and she says,
:02:54. > :03:00."What is all this?" We stopped the cards, notified the bank.
:03:00. > :03:04.What are we talking about then? �7,000. Just over �7,000 off three
:03:04. > :03:07.or four different credit cards. And why I showed them three or four
:03:07. > :03:11.different credit cards? I would be bombarded: That one doesn't work...
:03:11. > :03:16.There's a deadline... "Well, yeah, all right" you know? I did stop
:03:16. > :03:19.them all. A little bit late you might say.
:03:19. > :03:22.But it was much more than advertising that Paul received. He
:03:22. > :03:25.was even given an unexpected award by the newspaper group.
:03:25. > :03:29.They even made me businessman of the year, sent me an award. Well,
:03:30. > :03:33.how the hell that would ever happen? I was the only one in it I
:03:33. > :03:36.should think! I don't know. I have rung up other people who have whole
:03:36. > :03:39.page articles in their name and similar to myself along the bottom
:03:39. > :03:43.it says sponsored by EP Swaffield and this is a big company and
:03:43. > :03:53.they'd never even heard of them and yet they had two pages of their
:03:53. > :03:55.
:03:55. > :03:58.information. I felt a fool. I felt a fool because it had been going on
:03:58. > :04:07.for four or five months. But time goes on and there was a lot going
:04:07. > :04:10.on. Well, you almost feel violated don't you? And you feel - can you
:04:10. > :04:15.trust anybody after this, you know. You certainly can't trust yourself.
:04:15. > :04:17.You think your judgement is just... How could this happen to you?
:04:17. > :04:20.Paul's testimony indicates he was duped by Wyvern Media, sometimes
:04:20. > :04:27.known as Journal Group Production Company Limited, which claims to
:04:27. > :04:30.own 28 different newspapers. The company told us that while Mr
:04:30. > :04:36.Swaffield will have received many calls offering adverts it was
:04:36. > :04:39.unlikely that all of them would have been from Wyvern Media. They
:04:39. > :04:42.added that advertising is very hit and miss and they give no
:04:42. > :04:48.guarantees of response. Paul isn't the only customer
:04:48. > :04:54.getting harangued by Wyvern Media's call centre. 80-year-old John lets
:04:54. > :05:00.out a house in France and agreed to advertise. But the calls kept on
:05:00. > :05:09.coming in. Oh, constantly. Six, seven, eight
:05:09. > :05:13.calls per day from each of the different publications. It was a
:05:13. > :05:16.very difficult time for me because my wife was very ill and I found it
:05:16. > :05:26.difficult to deal with these people that were keeping phoning all the
:05:26. > :05:30.
:05:30. > :05:33.time and I just wanted to get them off my back.
:05:33. > :05:37.John was bombarded with calls from other newspapers like the Central
:05:37. > :05:41.Advertiser and the North Thames Press. Eventually he contacted
:05:41. > :05:44.police. When I arrived at the address. I
:05:44. > :05:48.could see that John was clearly distressed. He'd got his head in
:05:48. > :05:50.his hands all the time I was talking to him. Over about half-an-
:05:50. > :05:53.hour there were nine calls. They were coming from different
:05:53. > :05:56.companies so we stopped the two numbers so they couldn't get
:05:56. > :06:00.through on the landline so they were then phoning on a mobile for
:06:00. > :06:03.three different numbers. Very persistent.
:06:03. > :06:06.But the Police couldn't help John because it was a civil matter.
:06:06. > :06:09.Things got so bad that in four consecutive days the Derby based
:06:09. > :06:17.group took up to six payments each and every day, totalling more than
:06:17. > :06:20.�10,000. I felt it a huge tragedy that because of some flimsy bits of
:06:20. > :06:27.paper and someone's need to get a commission, they lost a home that
:06:27. > :06:35.they'd lived in and loved for 50 years. My mother died in February
:06:35. > :06:39.and I think she died broken hearted. So what does the company have to
:06:39. > :06:42.say about John's case? Well, in a letter Wyvern Media told us staff
:06:42. > :06:51.have no way of knowing if their customers are frail or vulnerable
:06:51. > :06:53.and that John freely signed all the orders he placed. They say that if
:06:53. > :07:00.the company becomes aware of unethical or harassing conduct they
:07:00. > :07:03.take appropriate action to ensure it doesn't re-occur.
:07:03. > :07:07.Caroline Lumsden and her husband share their time between the UK and
:07:07. > :07:14.France where they run a business renting out holiday cottages. They
:07:14. > :07:18.have an annual budget of �500 set aside to advertise them. I was away
:07:18. > :07:21.for ten days and my husband rang me and said that a newspaper had rung
:07:21. > :07:25.him and they said they implied that it was something to do with a
:07:25. > :07:30.France show and he got the feeling that it was something quite big and
:07:30. > :07:34.really worth it. He said, "Shall we spend half our budget on this?" And
:07:34. > :07:37.I said, "Yeah, if you think it's good, go ahead." He said, "Well,
:07:37. > :07:44.they sound really nice and plausible," and all the rest of it,
:07:44. > :07:46.so we took out an advert for �250. Then someone would call from a
:07:46. > :07:49.different office and paper but Caroline's husband assumed it was
:07:49. > :07:52.the same one, checking up. They would email and say, "Please
:07:52. > :07:58.confirm" and he would think it was the same advert so agree without
:07:58. > :08:02.reading it, after all he hadn't asked for any more advertising.
:08:02. > :08:05.The phone would go up to 20 times a day followed by e-mail followed by
:08:05. > :08:09.faxes saying, please confirm because we've got a deadline. In
:08:09. > :08:12.the end he had no idea which paper he was talking to, who it was cos
:08:12. > :08:16.they'd only say their first name and he just didn't know where he
:08:16. > :08:24.was and he thought in his own mind that they were the four original
:08:24. > :08:27.people and he was just confirming and confirming and confirming.
:08:27. > :08:37.By the time I arrived back we had had, from eight newspapers, 21
:08:37. > :08:38.
:08:38. > :08:40.adverts and the money taken from our account.
:08:40. > :08:43.But because Caroline's husband couldn't remember placing the ads,
:08:43. > :08:47.concerns set in over his mental health.
:08:47. > :08:49.I've never seen my husband in a state like that. He's always been
:08:49. > :08:52.quite a forceful jolly sort of intellectual character and to
:08:52. > :09:01.suddenly have people just hounding him like that and he just said, "It
:09:01. > :09:06.must be me, I think I'm going ga- ga." He said, "I think there's
:09:07. > :09:10.something going on here." Until I realised the scale of the
:09:10. > :09:13.hounding, until I'd been home for a few days, I actually rang up our
:09:13. > :09:21.doctor in Gloucester and came back over here to have a test for
:09:21. > :09:24.Alzheimer's. He came over, we had the test and I think I did worse
:09:24. > :09:33.than he did and he was absolutely fine. They said, nothing - just
:09:33. > :09:37.natural old age, memory is a little bit... But you're absolutely fine.
:09:37. > :09:40.But it was the way he'd been hounded and he's just a different
:09:40. > :09:43.person now. He doesn't like to answer the phone so much in case
:09:43. > :09:53.it's these people and he gets caught out again and he's just lost
:09:53. > :09:54.
:09:54. > :09:59.a bit of confidence I would say. I need to see if anyone else can
:09:59. > :10:01.back up what our disgruntled advertisers have told us. Student
:10:01. > :10:07.Ryan Brailsford only managed three days with the Greater London
:10:07. > :10:11.Chronicle, one of the titles owned by Wyvern Media.
:10:11. > :10:14.On my first day one of the members of staff in the office actually
:10:14. > :10:18.said to the room at large, "This is the biggest legal scam out there
:10:18. > :10:27.today," and at that point I just sat there thinking to myself, this
:10:27. > :10:30.is quite serious. But in just three unpaid days Ryan
:10:30. > :10:33.didn't have a lot of experience, so we found another ex employee happy
:10:33. > :10:35.to talk about unauthorised payments. Her words are spoken by a
:10:35. > :10:39.researcher to conceal her identity. Well, calls started coming in from
:10:39. > :10:41.customers we knew our office had sold to and they were claiming that
:10:41. > :10:45.payments had been taken out of their bank accounts without
:10:45. > :10:50.authorisation. Basically we all kept our heads down and we didn't
:10:50. > :10:53.dare say anything. We knew we could be out of a job at any time.
:10:53. > :11:00.Wyvern Media says it has never been the organisation's practice to take
:11:00. > :11:03.unauthorised payments from customers. It adds the company now
:11:03. > :11:08.records all sales calls and that complaints have dropped to three or
:11:08. > :11:11.four a month out of thousands. Paul Swaffield persisted with his
:11:11. > :11:15.complaint but the whole experience has left him regretting the day he
:11:15. > :11:18.agreed to advertise. Eventually I got �900 but it's only
:11:18. > :11:28.the tip of the ocean with the stress it's caused and then you
:11:28. > :11:32.have you know arguments with the bank about the legitimacy of it all.
:11:32. > :11:39.It's just horrendous. It really gets to you. I certainly have never
:11:39. > :11:42.had a reply from an advert. And don't forget, if you think you
:11:43. > :11:46.have a story for me, drop me an email. Address coming up at the end
:11:46. > :11:52.of the show. Next, as an outbreak of TB in cattle gets ever closer,
:11:52. > :12:02.is Sussex really the best place to test out a cull of badgers? And
:12:02. > :12:07.
:12:07. > :12:13.irony of ironies, it's not a black Badgers have a special place in
:12:13. > :12:18.many people's hearts. They are not as harmless as people might think.
:12:18. > :12:24.They carry a disease that attacks cattle, bovine tuberculosis. It can
:12:24. > :12:28.cause chronic wasting, debilitation and death. In fact more than 25,000
:12:28. > :12:33.cattle are slaughtered each year because of it. The disease can be
:12:33. > :12:37.passed to humans through animals but cases are rare. Over the past
:12:37. > :12:45.25 years has been spreading. So far Sussex only has a few pockets of
:12:45. > :12:48.infection compared to places like the South-West. But at this farm in
:12:48. > :12:50.Oxfordshire, John has been getting a taste of what farmers in the
:12:50. > :12:54.South-East are likely to face in the future.
:12:54. > :13:02.He has had to slaughter 127 of his herd after a TB outbreak on his
:13:02. > :13:06.Producing milk is seven days a week, 365 days a year, and to have it
:13:06. > :13:08.stopped for the best part of 12 months is devastating.
:13:08. > :13:12.Government says badger culling could be the answer, to stop the
:13:12. > :13:15.disease spreading. It is looking for areas to try it out. Roger
:13:15. > :13:20.Waters runs a cattle market in Hailsham and he wants action before
:13:21. > :13:26.the problem gets worse. I am definitely in favour of a cull if
:13:26. > :13:28.it is going to deal with the TB in the area and in the United Kingdom.
:13:28. > :13:33.Scientist Timothy Roper from Sussex University has been studying
:13:33. > :13:36.badgers since the '80s. They are part of the cattle TB problem, no
:13:36. > :13:39.question about that. We know that from the culling trial that
:13:39. > :13:45.happened a few years ago, when the badgers were culled, the rate of TB
:13:45. > :13:47.in cattle went down. A culling trial took place six years ago in
:13:47. > :13:51.Britain, an experiment where badgers were killed to look at how
:13:51. > :13:57.BTB spreads. But the animals involved started behaving in an
:13:57. > :14:00.unpredictable way, moving around and affecting results. The overall
:14:00. > :14:07.rate of TB did indeed go down, but just outside the culling areas, it
:14:07. > :14:10.went up. Therefore, the findings were open to interpretation. Now
:14:10. > :14:15.people are saying East Sussex is an ideal place to do another study, to
:14:15. > :14:18.find out more about the phenomenon that surprised everyone. It was
:14:18. > :14:21.called the perturbation effect. Badgers are territorial and
:14:21. > :14:23.normally stick to their own areas, but when disturbed by the cull,
:14:23. > :14:30.they spread into neighbouring zones, and the number of infected cattle
:14:30. > :14:33.in those areas went up. Because badgers are social animals, they
:14:33. > :14:39.live in a fairly close link to the community and defend their own
:14:39. > :14:42.territory. Once they start getting culled, that is disrupted. You do
:14:42. > :14:46.not have as many badgers to maintain the borders, so other
:14:46. > :14:51.badgers start coming in. Then you can get the disease being spread
:14:51. > :14:54.between the badgers. The Government is concerned about badgers
:14:54. > :15:00.wandering, so it is looking for places to cull where badgers will
:15:00. > :15:03.find it difficult to spread out. That is why some say this area in
:15:03. > :15:08.East Sussex, between Eastbourne and Brighton, could be the ideal place
:15:09. > :15:13.for a cull. Hemmed in by a railway line, a river and the A27, it is
:15:13. > :15:18.not impossible for badgers to cross, but it is more difficult. There are
:15:18. > :15:21.physical boundaries available. We have, obviously, the sea to the
:15:21. > :15:30.south and the river Ouse, and the A27 and the Eastbourne to Brighton
:15:30. > :15:35.railway. And the area ticks another important box. It has a high
:15:35. > :15:42.incidence of bovine TB. That is why cows here have to be tested every
:15:42. > :15:47.year. If they have been exposed to TB, they will get lumps on their
:15:47. > :15:50.skin and they will have to be killed. Roger Waters says another
:15:50. > :15:56.reason why East Sussex would be a good place is the infected area is
:15:56. > :16:03.small, making it easier to perform a trial. We are a small area here.
:16:03. > :16:07.So we could have a cull and see if it is effective. But it is not just
:16:08. > :16:10.a case of geography. To make a cull work, it would need the agreement
:16:10. > :16:16.of the majority of landowners, which is why farmer Stephen Carr
:16:16. > :16:19.has his doubts. I think they require something like 75 or 80
:16:19. > :16:23.percent of the land area within the cull area to be committed to the
:16:23. > :16:26.project. And that could be very difficult, where you have public
:16:26. > :16:29.bodies like water companies or the National Trust, or other areas
:16:29. > :16:39.where they might be subject to people not wanting the cull to
:16:39. > :16:40.
:16:40. > :16:43.But could there be another way of dealing with the problem? We have
:16:43. > :16:47.come to this farm in Buckinghamshire, just as it is
:16:47. > :16:53.starting to get light, to find out. The Badger Trust says vaccination
:16:53. > :16:56.is the answer. Injections are being mixed up as part of a pilot study.
:16:56. > :17:00.And after a walk into nearby woodland, it is not long until we
:17:00. > :17:02.see a rather bleary-eyed looking badger. With the permission of a
:17:02. > :17:09.local farmer, volunteers here have been trapping badgers and injecting
:17:09. > :17:14.them with a vaccine to protect them against getting TB. Simon Boulter
:17:14. > :17:18.is one of the volunteers. He says a study will help the trust see
:17:18. > :17:21.whether vaccination is viable. can stop badgers getting TB. The
:17:21. > :17:24.main job is actually reducing the severity of an infection, it
:17:24. > :17:29.catches them right before they become too infectious, so you are
:17:30. > :17:33.reducing badger-to-badger transmission of bovine TB. It will
:17:33. > :17:38.take time for badgers to build up resistance to the disease and not
:17:38. > :17:43.everyone is convinced it will work. Not all badgers are trappable, some
:17:43. > :17:47.are just too shy. So it seems to me that if the vaccination is going to
:17:47. > :17:51.be rolled out on a large scale, then we will have to have an oral
:17:51. > :17:59.form of vaccine, something that can be put out in bait for badgers to
:17:59. > :18:02.The Government says it won't consider vaccination without a cull,
:18:03. > :18:05.because there is not enough evidence it will work. Weanwhile,
:18:05. > :18:11.the Badger Trust says alternatives must be explored properly and
:18:11. > :18:14.badgers are being unfairly blamed for spreading the disease. Other
:18:14. > :18:21.forms of wildlife can certainly carry BTB - deer, rats and quite a
:18:21. > :18:27.lot of other mammals. But badgers are the one that seem to be being
:18:27. > :18:32.blamed. Back in East Sussex, Stephen Carr says the trial won't
:18:32. > :18:37.work and the Government plans won't make any difference. I am afraid it
:18:37. > :18:42.is very much shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. It
:18:42. > :18:48.is decades too late. The National Farmers Union says if we don't act
:18:48. > :18:51.now, the disease will continue to rise. We need a cull to bring this
:18:51. > :18:54.disease under control and without that, we believe, and it has been
:18:54. > :18:59.shown elsewhere in the world, that unless you deal with the problem of
:18:59. > :19:03.wildlife, unfortunately, you will not get on top of the problem.
:19:04. > :19:08.the Badger Trust says it will fight any plans for a cull. We are
:19:08. > :19:14.looking for an answer. An answer that will work. Not just to kill
:19:14. > :19:19.because we have got to do something. If plans get the go-ahead, a cull
:19:19. > :19:23.could happen as early as next May. It is clear the problems have a
:19:23. > :19:26.devastating impact on some farmers, with feelings running high. Some
:19:26. > :19:36.say we are running out of time if we want to protect cattle and the
:19:36. > :19:41.countryside from bovine TB Next, it is 100 years since the
:19:41. > :19:45.first woman took to the skies and earned her female pilot's licence.
:19:45. > :19:53.Hilda Hewlett, 1911, Brooklands airfield. But a century on, what
:19:53. > :20:01.Charlotte Croney takes off from Compton Abbas airfield on a
:20:02. > :20:06.training flight. You have control. As she climbs, there is just one
:20:06. > :20:10.thing on her mind - getting her pilot's licence. I love the feeling
:20:10. > :20:14.you get when you first take off, because you are distancing yourself
:20:14. > :20:18.from the earth and you were going off and you are totally free. It is
:20:18. > :20:20.that feeling of total freedom that our love.
:20:20. > :20:24.If she succeeds, 17 year-old Charlotte will be part of an
:20:24. > :20:32.exclusive group. Just 6% of British pilots are women. That is far fewer
:20:32. > :20:37.than top managers, politicians and lawyers.
:20:37. > :20:43.As a woman entering a profession that has been dominated by men for
:20:43. > :20:47.100 years, since it really started, I think there will be barriers that
:20:47. > :20:52.over time, I think those barriers have weakened. I think that
:20:52. > :20:55.attitudes towards female pilots has changed over the past few years.
:20:55. > :21:04.100 years ago, it was a different story, when Hilda Hewlett, known as
:21:04. > :21:09.Old Bird, became the first woman pilot. Hilda Hewitt was here at
:21:09. > :21:13.Brooklands, she came in 1910, it was here that she became the first
:21:14. > :21:16.English woman to get a pilot's licence and she was the only woman
:21:16. > :21:19.in the aviation village. Brooklands airfield in Surrey was
:21:19. > :21:22.once at the cutting edge of aviation. It was a playground for
:21:22. > :21:31.wealthy pioneers to push at the limits of speed and daring. And at
:21:31. > :21:37.the heart of it all was Old Bird, Hilda. She was probably quite
:21:37. > :21:39.daunting. She was tiny, very energetic, very decisive, and I
:21:39. > :21:43.should think she was pretty single- minded.
:21:43. > :21:46.Hilda took up flying at the age of 47, leaving her husband and
:21:46. > :21:53.children at home and dropping out of high society. She took to the
:21:53. > :21:58.skies as Britain's first lady pilot, unaware of her place in history.
:21:58. > :22:01.anybody had asked Hilda Hewlett if she thought she was ground-breaking,
:22:01. > :22:05.she would not have really seen it that way, because she was just
:22:05. > :22:09.doing what she wanted to do, without any help from anybody else,
:22:09. > :22:13.she just did it with her own will and determination.
:22:13. > :22:23.Old Bird had paved the way for many to follow. The 1920s and 1930s saw
:22:23. > :22:23.
:22:23. > :22:28.a surge in jet-setting women. Duchess of Beaufort is that cutting
:22:28. > :22:30.the ribbon to open the first all- women flying meeting.
:22:30. > :22:33.Flying became an exciting pastime for those who could afford it.
:22:33. > :22:41.Molly Rose, whose father was a successful aircraft manufacturer,
:22:41. > :22:47.couldn't resist having a go. I got my flying licence when I was just
:22:47. > :22:51.17. I learned to fly when I was 16. I got my flying licence and my
:22:51. > :22:56.driving licence at the same time. But I was very fortunate to have
:22:56. > :23:06.the opportunity. But the age of pleasurable flying
:23:06. > :23:06.
:23:06. > :23:10.was about to be cut short. Over the radio go messages, and it's in the
:23:10. > :23:17.recall of Cabinet and Parliament. We stand firm unsecure behind our
:23:17. > :23:20.mighty defences. Behind her ear for us, better trained than ever before.
:23:20. > :23:22.-- R Air Force. With the onset of war, women with
:23:22. > :23:27.Molly's skills couldn't be overlooked and they were called up,
:23:27. > :23:31.not to the front line, but to the ATA. The delivery of new aircraft
:23:31. > :23:35.is the responsibility of a vast organisation known as the Air
:23:35. > :23:38.Transport Auxiliary. With men of 14 different nationalities in its
:23:38. > :23:41.ranks and also helping in this important work are several women.
:23:41. > :23:50.Molly was stationed at Hamble airfield on the Solent, one of only
:23:50. > :23:53.two all-female bases. The job of ATA was really those delivering the
:23:53. > :23:58.aircraft from the factories to the squadrons. But also sometimes
:23:58. > :24:02.taking them on for maintenance and we were incredibly lucky to have
:24:02. > :24:07.the opportunity. There was no way in normal times we would have had
:24:07. > :24:10.the chance of flying these aircraft. The daily delivery of aircraft is
:24:11. > :24:14.on the a man's job. Training machines and other less powerful
:24:14. > :24:16.planes are piloted by the women and it is a job they are doing
:24:16. > :24:20.exceedingly well. But Molly's wartime career almost
:24:20. > :24:30.came to an end when she was asked to collect a plane from the
:24:30. > :24:30.
:24:30. > :24:38.Midlands. Then he has to fight and I got was coming to -- coming face-
:24:38. > :24:43.to-face with one over the cost falls to stop I tried going over it,
:24:43. > :24:50.I had to abandon it. To my horror, I found, I think it was somewhere
:24:50. > :24:53.near Chipping Norton, I was saved at tremendous they are horrible
:24:53. > :24:56.instant by the fact I had enough power to get over the hill.
:24:56. > :24:58.But as quickly as they had been recruited, women were soon cast
:24:58. > :25:04.aside. Factory workers, engine drivers and female pilots were
:25:05. > :25:09.encouraged back to the kitchen sink. This was the moment I had been
:25:09. > :25:12.living for. John was coming home. I hurried to the station and stood
:25:12. > :25:15.there, waiting. When Molly heard her husband
:25:15. > :25:22.Bernard was to return home after years as a prisoner of war, she
:25:22. > :25:26.readily gave up flying to care for him. Suddenly, there he was. It was
:25:26. > :25:30.asked to, alone. There were so many things I was going to say. Just to
:25:30. > :25:39.hold him again was more than enough. Life for Molly returned to normal
:25:39. > :25:43.and talk of heroic deeds were forgotten. There had been a lot of
:25:43. > :25:49.brave women before that, the ones that flew into the blue, people
:25:49. > :25:55.like Amelia Earhart and Amy Johnson. The people that really did go off
:25:55. > :26:00.without any radio contact, without any contact with anyone. Except to
:26:00. > :26:03.get where they were trying to go. They were the brave ones. I think
:26:03. > :26:07.the end of the war is probably the biggest blow to women's aspirations
:26:07. > :26:12.in aviation, because they had been there, seen it and done it, they
:26:12. > :26:20.were flying the bombers, flying up a whole range of military aircraft.
:26:20. > :26:23.And overnight, it was, Surrey girls, back to the home! -- sorry.
:26:23. > :26:26.But women had made an impression on aviation, and the following decades
:26:26. > :26:31.brought more and more opportunities. One of the first women to pilot a
:26:31. > :26:36.British Airways plane was Caroline. There were not many of us at the
:26:36. > :26:40.time, British Airways to come the first female pilots in 1986. So
:26:40. > :26:45.although some of the more minor airlines had been recruiting women
:26:46. > :26:49.before then, there were not that many around. Some of the older
:26:49. > :26:53.captain's, the more traditional ones, were a little bit reticent
:26:53. > :26:58.about flying with women. Generally, we did not get rostered to fly
:26:58. > :27:01.together, just to keep the cockpit harmonious. But generally, when one
:27:01. > :27:05.could demonstrate that one could do the job just as well as any man,
:27:05. > :27:08.there was not a problem. And 100 years after Hilda Hewlett
:27:08. > :27:18.gained her licence, the desire for women to spread their wings remains
:27:18. > :27:21.strong. It is quite blustery on the approach of the way in. Just kind
:27:21. > :27:28.of go with it. But Charlotte doesn't just want to
:27:28. > :27:32.fly. She wants to be Top Gun! ultimate goal would probably be
:27:32. > :27:37.flying fighter jets with the RAF, which is a huge challenge, and they
:27:37. > :27:44.think it is 1,000 people at apply to get to be pilots. I have got
:27:45. > :27:48.nothing to lose by trying, so I may as well. It is just a case of
:27:48. > :27:52.having the self-belief, you need to believe you can do it.
:27:52. > :27:58.Can I have a portion of chestnuts, please? That's just about it for
:27:58. > :28:03.next week, I will see you next time. Don't forget we are back early in