:00:03. > :00:09.Hello from Sandbanks and welcome to Inside Out. Here is what is coming
:00:09. > :00:16.up tonight. Me, Cheney, Alexis and Kady, we sleep in that dining room
:00:16. > :00:19.bit there. Children in poverty, families coping on the breadline.
:00:19. > :00:22.If this was another part of the world, the trucks to be heading out,
:00:22. > :00:25.but because it is our world, we seem to ignore it.
:00:25. > :00:32.Theft by the tankload, the organised forecourt gangs targeting
:00:32. > :00:37.high price fuel. We get three or four drive-offs a week and they are
:00:37. > :00:40.not small amounts, they're big amounts.
:00:40. > :00:50.And caught in the act, texting at the wheel, are smartphones more
:00:50. > :00:50.
:00:50. > :00:52.dangerous than drink-driving? over. Pull over. You need to be
:00:52. > :00:57.concentrating on your driving. Anything that distracts you is
:00:57. > :01:07.likely to give you much higher risk of being in an accident.
:01:07. > :01:14.
:01:14. > :01:17.First tonight, the South has a reputation for affluence, but away
:01:17. > :01:20.from the sun, the sea and high rollers lies a very different story,
:01:20. > :01:28.a tale of families struggling to make ends meet and parents going
:01:29. > :01:31.without so their children can have something to eat. # Five little
:01:31. > :01:37.ducks went swimming one day, over the hills and far away.
:01:37. > :01:47.# A typical domestic scene. keeping a watchful eye as homework
:01:47. > :01:47.
:01:47. > :01:51.is done. What is one times one? scratch the surface and even the
:01:52. > :02:01.kids know things do not always add up. My daddy worries about the
:02:02. > :02:02.
:02:02. > :02:06.bills, us kids and so it is hard being a single parent. When Dad got
:02:06. > :02:09.custody of his children, he had to give up his job as the manager of a
:02:09. > :02:15.coffee shop. Now it is almost impossible for him to make ends
:02:15. > :02:20.meet. I go without so the girls have, basically, which is getting
:02:20. > :02:24.harder, because the price of everything is going up. They're
:02:24. > :02:27.talking about cutting benefits, so I have to do that to the best of my
:02:27. > :02:31.ability, so hopefully yes, they will grow up, go to good schools,
:02:31. > :02:41.get good jobs, I do not want them becoming part of the benefit nation,
:02:41. > :02:41.
:02:41. > :02:45.which seems to be around these days. According to the official
:02:45. > :02:53.government definition, Ollie and his two girls live in poverty.
:02:53. > :03:03.Money helps you pay, money helps you get the food that you want. It
:03:03. > :03:04.
:03:04. > :03:10.helps you get whatever you want and stuff. Like toys, food and my
:03:10. > :03:15.favourite chicken. The family live and go to school in Weston, an
:03:15. > :03:18.estate of about 5,000 people overlooking Southampton Water. It
:03:18. > :03:23.is dominated by huge tower blocks and its biggest claim to fame,
:03:23. > :03:28.being one of the most deprived areas in the country. So in 2012,
:03:28. > :03:31.what does poverty actually mean? Child poverty today in Britain
:03:31. > :03:37.means having �12 or less per family member per day for all your
:03:37. > :03:42.household spending after housing costs. The Bills, the food, the
:03:42. > :03:50.clothing, transport, everything. For many families, it is an awful
:03:50. > :03:58.lot less than that. I have got six kids of my own and my niece that
:03:58. > :04:01.lives with me in a two-bedroom house, private, and it is horrible.
:04:01. > :04:05.And Amelia's children are all too aware of how tight the family
:04:05. > :04:15.finances are. I think grown-ups worry about money and bills. And
:04:15. > :04:16.
:04:16. > :04:23.like spending money in the shops. In the morning at home, when I
:04:23. > :04:29.sometimes get my clothes on, it is cold. It is freezing and cold.
:04:29. > :04:33.really is. It is cold there, the heating is rubbish, we do not get
:04:33. > :04:41.any help at all from the council. We have been told we need to wait
:04:41. > :04:45.seven to 10 years for a house or even a flat. The poverty we see
:04:45. > :04:54.here is not down to the individuals living at bad way of life, it is a
:04:54. > :05:00.way society is. We live in a community that has lost a sense of
:05:00. > :05:04.being, of worth. It is day-to-day survival. Twice a week, Amelia pays
:05:04. > :05:08.a minimum to top up her gas and electricity. Can I have �10 on the
:05:08. > :05:11.key, please? It is the most expensive way to pay and every unit
:05:11. > :05:15.counts. We have to make sure everything has turned off, the
:05:16. > :05:23.heating. When you are cooking, I try not to go for a roast, because
:05:24. > :05:33.I can use up to �3.15 just putting the roast on. We need electric for
:05:34. > :05:38.
:05:38. > :05:48.our food under cooker under lights, so we can live and so we can't die.
:05:48. > :05:55.
:05:55. > :05:58.With seven kids and me, it is In Weston, unemployment is high.
:05:58. > :06:00.There are more single parents and teenage mums than the national
:06:00. > :06:06.average, and community workers see her coming across a disturbing new
:06:06. > :06:08.measure of deprivation. For the first time since I've been here,
:06:08. > :06:11.we're hearing stories of children being hungry, children actually
:06:11. > :06:15.admitting to adults, who are not their own parents, that they are
:06:15. > :06:22.hungry and there is something wrong there. That should not be the case
:06:23. > :06:28.in 21st century Britain. To help some of the dads on the estate, Tim
:06:28. > :06:36.runs a support club. We had been here four-and-a-half years, and it
:06:36. > :06:39.has been an interesting time. former betting shop. You can tell
:06:39. > :06:45.things are serious when even the bookies has shut up shop. This is
:06:45. > :06:48.home sweet home? This is home sweet home, it certainly is. Always dads
:06:48. > :06:53.share the same concern, how to bring up their children while
:06:53. > :06:57.living on the breadline. For the first time in 11 years, it is as
:06:57. > :07:00.bad as it has ever been. I'm even thinking of getting a second job.
:07:00. > :07:08.We can only treat our children at Christmas and birthdays. We cannot
:07:08. > :07:10.take them out to McDonald's, you just cannot afford it. A lot of it
:07:10. > :07:14.is pushed under the carpet, especially at the schools, because
:07:14. > :07:17.if a family admits they have issues and are in a poverty state, then
:07:17. > :07:20.their kids can potentially be bullied in the school by other kids,
:07:20. > :07:30.so there's quite a lot of secrecy in families down here to keep that
:07:30. > :07:31.
:07:31. > :07:38.to themselves. But Amelia is happy to show us how her family copes
:07:39. > :07:48.with nine people and a two-bedroom house. Me, Jamie, Alexis and Cady,
:07:48. > :07:53.sleep in that dining room bit there. Seven children live here, one of
:07:53. > :08:00.them is a 15-year-old girl, which is her niece. So there are nine
:08:00. > :08:06.people living in a two-bedroom house. I sleep on that beds, and my
:08:06. > :08:09.big brother sleeps here. And we need to be very quiet. Keeping
:08:09. > :08:12.quiet is crucial, because after seven years on the dole, Dad has
:08:12. > :08:18.finally got a job. Amelia minds the kids while he works a night shift
:08:18. > :08:22.at the local supermarket. Even with work, the pay is not exceptionally
:08:22. > :08:29.great, so you still struggle. The cost of living has gone up
:08:29. > :08:39.amazingly. Electric charges, we put �20 a week on the electric and gas,
:08:39. > :08:39.
:08:39. > :08:43.we do not have spare money to play with, we just have enough to get by.
:08:43. > :08:46.He sleeps downstairs because it is easier to get up any was to work in
:08:47. > :08:56.the morning and when it is night- time, it is easier to get dressed
:08:57. > :08:58.
:08:58. > :09:01.and go to work on his motorbike. I was a child and I was living with
:09:01. > :09:07.mum and dad and seen him struggle day-by-day, I think it would affect
:09:07. > :09:13.the way I felt about life. You have only got to see as children start
:09:13. > :09:16.to get older, they lose a sense of, what have I got to hope for?
:09:16. > :09:20.You're barely scraping to survive and you can see why people think
:09:20. > :09:24.what is the point going to work to earn what we would be earning sat
:09:24. > :09:29.on our asses doing nothing, because you get your rent paid for you, and
:09:30. > :09:37.you get a council tax paid for you and you do not have to do anything.
:09:37. > :09:40.Whatever money you have left, you can play with it. When you look at
:09:40. > :09:44.a neighbourhood like this, you will find it is not as people out of
:09:44. > :09:47.work you are in poverty, it is more and more people around in work. The
:09:47. > :09:51.nature of work has changed a lot over the last generation, so it is
:09:51. > :09:56.much harder now for people to get a decent living wage and to get
:09:56. > :10:01.secure full-time work. Too often it is insecure and temporary jobs.
:10:01. > :10:05.Breakfast is served. Meanwhile at the dads club, a lot
:10:05. > :10:11.of the chat is about how to manage and not let debts spiral out of
:10:11. > :10:14.control. We forgot their rents once because we needed food and we got a
:10:14. > :10:18.phone call from the housing office saying putting a roof over the
:10:18. > :10:23.heads more important than feeding your children. My wife said, no it
:10:23. > :10:28.is not. If we had sent the children to school with nothing to eat, we
:10:28. > :10:31.would be even more trouble than they already are. What a lot of
:10:31. > :10:34.parents try to do is give the impression to their kids at
:10:34. > :10:39.everything is fine. Nothing to worry about, no money worries and
:10:39. > :10:44.everything is nice. It is just a balancing act to keep the family
:10:44. > :10:51.ticking over. Amelia has recently had to use a moneylender, adding to
:10:51. > :10:56.the family's debts. Every week, they pay back what they can. All my
:10:56. > :10:59.debts all add up to about �8,000. I am in debt with the bank and
:10:59. > :11:03.everything, because there is no money in it to cover the direct
:11:03. > :11:06.debits and I get charged 15 each failed to direct debit, then the
:11:06. > :11:14.charge from the people whose direct debit failed. So that it is just
:11:14. > :11:21.one big debt at the moment. It is to be hard for her and he wants for
:11:21. > :11:24.his birthday, he wanted a scooter, �130. He wants PlayStation games,
:11:24. > :11:30.name trainers, all this lot. The little ones are not too bad,
:11:30. > :11:35.because they are not conscious of their personality. But he wants all
:11:35. > :11:39.the good stuff. Before we were on benefits and struggling, but
:11:39. > :11:43.obviously you have to work, whether you like it or not, but we worked
:11:43. > :11:47.out can be will be �6 a week more or than when they were on benefits,
:11:47. > :11:51.but there is no money to play with, to get a kid shoes or if they need
:11:51. > :12:01.a new coat to something like that, we always have to borrow or get it
:12:01. > :12:01.
:12:01. > :12:04.off a catalogue. In November last year, 47 families were evicted from
:12:04. > :12:07.the estate, many in rent arrears. For Darren, protecting his children
:12:07. > :12:14.means everything, but earning just �24.60 a day leaves him with few
:12:14. > :12:22.choices. You see these people that are rich that do not deserve it.
:12:22. > :12:25.And yet you think to yourself, you have done nothing. Have you had
:12:25. > :12:35.those moments where it has got on top of you? Sometimes it is hard
:12:35. > :12:39.
:12:39. > :12:43.not to. Christmas time. We just could not afford it and it was hard.
:12:43. > :12:45.Going to work that might and coming home and listening to my five-year-
:12:45. > :12:48.old say, daddy there's not a Christmas this year because we
:12:48. > :12:51.cannot afford it. The Government says it will eradicate child
:12:51. > :12:57.poverty in Britain by 2020, but to the people living here, that
:12:57. > :13:01.promise might feel rather empty. know people might sit there and say
:13:01. > :13:04.they should not have had so many children then, but people have this
:13:04. > :13:07.thing that we have kids to get benefits and get a council house.
:13:07. > :13:10.Every money we get close on the kids, not ourselves. Contrary to
:13:10. > :13:20.what people believe, the only bit we have cigarettes, it's our little
:13:20. > :13:25.
:13:25. > :13:34.privilege, isn't it? Some of the people that do not have much money,
:13:34. > :13:39.they cannot have loads of money to buy a lot of stuff. Society has got
:13:39. > :13:42.to change and see and recognise that child poverty exists. We hear
:13:42. > :13:52.too many statements from people saying that is not such a thing as
:13:52. > :13:53.
:13:53. > :13:57.Child poverty and I look around and Given the price of petrol these
:13:57. > :13:59.days, there is little wonder that criminals are turning their
:13:59. > :14:02.attentions to fuel. Police tell us there has been an increase in
:14:02. > :14:06.bilking, that is when motorists are taking petrol and driving off
:14:06. > :14:16.without paying. It seems that organised gangs are now bilking to
:14:16. > :14:22.
:14:22. > :14:25.The problem of petrol theft at forecourts is becoming critical for
:14:25. > :14:28.a garage owners. Many of these places are family businesses,
:14:28. > :14:31.they're not massive oil drilling corporations, the are franchisees,
:14:31. > :14:41.and the profit they make on the fuel they sell is actually very
:14:41. > :14:43.
:14:43. > :14:46.small. With profits at 5p a litre on fuel cells, they have to sell a
:14:46. > :14:50.lot of petrol to make up for thefts, and customers are also finding it
:14:50. > :15:00.very tough to afford their weekly fill up, which leads some to make
:15:00. > :15:02.
:15:02. > :15:10.off without paying. Most sites are probably getting at least one drive
:15:10. > :15:15.off per week, that is really �400 a month. The care filling up the
:15:15. > :15:21.tanks, driving off and then you do not see them for a little while.
:15:21. > :15:29.Then a weaker so later, more turn up. All of a sudden, it will hit
:15:29. > :15:39.you, do will get three or four amounts, they are bigger mines.
:15:39. > :16:05.
:16:05. > :16:10.Over the last year, this officer Some garages are seeing a surge in
:16:10. > :16:13.bilking. And many of these places are family businesses. A customer
:16:13. > :16:18.has left without paying for �80 worth of fuel. This is all captured
:16:18. > :16:21.on CCTV? Fantastic. He has made no attempt to pay or whatever? I will
:16:21. > :16:25.run the plates through a database and see who owns the car.
:16:25. > :16:28.driver of the white BMW may or may not have known what he was doing.
:16:28. > :16:30.Either way he has joined the ranks of the nation's bilkers. Bilking,
:16:31. > :16:37.to thwart, cheat or deceive, especially to avoid making payment.
:16:37. > :16:40.It is like not paying the bill at a cafe. Is bilking a crime? With this
:16:40. > :16:43.kind of crime they have to be an element of intent to show they
:16:43. > :16:47.intended to steal the fuel. there is no evidence to suggest
:16:47. > :16:57.that criminal intent was in place at the time there is a problem
:16:57. > :16:57.
:16:57. > :17:05.proving it happened. They often use false number plates. Someone will
:17:05. > :17:08.steal a set of number plates from a vehicle and use them to steal fuel.
:17:08. > :17:12.Normally they would stop at a pump and most of them would probably
:17:12. > :17:16.look at the nearest point to the exit and the furthest away from the
:17:17. > :17:20.point of sale cashier so they cannot see them. They would
:17:20. > :17:25.possibly try and hide from the CCTV systems and act as though they are
:17:25. > :17:28.going to pay and then jump back in the car and drive away. The victims
:17:28. > :17:31.are not just garage owners, they are also drivers like John Francis
:17:31. > :17:38.who found that his number plates were being used by bilkers and that
:17:38. > :17:45.he personally had to find the money to replace them. You never believe
:17:45. > :17:51.it is going to happen to you. You presumably did not get the money
:17:51. > :17:57.back. No, I did not. That is money out of my pension. To avoid your
:17:57. > :18:01.plates being stolen, you can have anti-theft screws fitted for free.
:18:01. > :18:06.You can normally do a pair of front and rear numberplates in around of
:18:06. > :18:14.two minutes. This is a normal one and this one you can do it up but
:18:14. > :18:17.she cannot undo it unless you have the special tool. Petrol retailers
:18:17. > :18:23.are finding that these criminal gangs are really quite brazen and
:18:23. > :18:29.CCTV does not put them off. In Greater London there were 12,000
:18:29. > :18:31.reported bilkings in the last year, costing garages over �1 million. As
:18:31. > :18:39.petrol is such an expensive commodity, more organised criminals
:18:39. > :18:44.are becoming involved. This man runs a busy petrol station in
:18:44. > :18:49.Slough with a garage and small shop. One year ago he noticed a surge in
:18:49. > :18:53.drive offs. The cars involved were unusually fancy. Bilking has
:18:53. > :18:56.traditionally been a problem with our business. What we were finding
:18:56. > :19:06.is that the number of bilkings just escalated and the type of customers
:19:06. > :19:07.
:19:07. > :19:10.that we were seeing that were doing it were with brand new cars.
:19:10. > :19:13.scale and number of crimes at the garage and others in Slough
:19:13. > :19:23.indicated to the police that there was a serious and organised gang
:19:23. > :19:23.
:19:23. > :19:26.involved. They launched Operation Colt to catch them. This is an
:19:26. > :19:32.investigation into theft from a motor vehicles. I will introduce
:19:32. > :19:38.you to our team leader. We want to make lots of arrests and stop lots
:19:38. > :19:43.of vehicles. Why did bilking pop up on your radar? We noticed
:19:43. > :19:48.numberplates were going from all over Slough. How prolific were
:19:48. > :19:58.these guys? Very prolific. This is someone coming to a garage in a
:19:58. > :20:08.Range Rover. On the vehicle the sun visor is down over the driver's
:20:08. > :20:13.
:20:13. > :20:22.face. On this video you can see he has his back to the cameras. We
:20:22. > :20:25.calculated they took about �40,000 worth of fault from garages in the
:20:25. > :20:30.area. Away they go. They leave the garages and then go and remove the
:20:30. > :20:37.plates so it is difficult to find them. Over six months Penfold and
:20:37. > :20:38.his accomplice stole petrol to order nearly 300 times. So after
:20:38. > :20:41.months of surveillance and undercover research, simultaneous
:20:41. > :20:51.raids were planned in Berkshire and Buckinghamshire and involving more
:20:51. > :20:52.
:20:52. > :20:57.than 70 officers. The bilkers were caught red-handed. Penfold was
:20:57. > :21:02.actually filling a car when police cornered him. Eventually what were
:21:02. > :21:12.they charged with? Both men were charged with conspiracy offences.
:21:12. > :21:12.
:21:12. > :21:14.Mr Penfold was sentenced to 18 months in prison. We have these two
:21:14. > :21:20.criminals jailed, incidents of bilking dropped dramatically across
:21:20. > :21:23.Slough and the surrounding areas. In the raids police also arrested
:21:23. > :21:31.13 civilians that were supplied with stolen petrol and 15 cars were
:21:31. > :21:34.seized. It later transpired that the clients had been paying half
:21:34. > :21:41.price for the fuel but no charges were bought because they maintained
:21:41. > :21:46.they had no idea that the fuel had been stolen. A number of them were
:21:46. > :21:48.seeking a bargain rather than being involved in criminality. After
:21:48. > :21:54.consultation with the Crown Prosecution Service it was felt
:21:55. > :21:58.that it would not be helpful to charge those people. Now the fear
:21:58. > :22:07.is that with the petrol prices at an all-time high, other gangs were
:22:07. > :22:12.also get involved in bilking. Remember when mobile phones were
:22:13. > :22:16.mobile phones? Now they are your camera and your diary and your
:22:16. > :22:24.social life and there is one place where trying to be so well
:22:24. > :22:29.connected could cost you dear. It could even cost you your life. From
:22:29. > :22:32.the moment you get up in the morning, it is always in your hands.
:22:32. > :22:38.Do you Facebook when you are having your fry-up? Do you shop while you
:22:38. > :22:42.are chained to the sink? Are you are probably part of a growing
:22:42. > :22:49.number of the population who are addicted to their phones. Are you
:22:49. > :22:55.addicted to your phone? Not really, no. I talk a lot. I wouldn't say so
:22:55. > :22:59.but obviously I use it a lot. I am using it now, yes. Could you live
:22:59. > :23:04.without it? Probably not nowadays. In a recent survey by Ofcom, 60 per
:23:04. > :23:07.cent of teenagers were classed as being addicted to their smart phone.
:23:07. > :23:10.Surfing the Web while walking down the street is not dangerous but
:23:10. > :23:17.there is one place where using a phone is coming into conflict with
:23:17. > :23:24.the law and safety. Out on the road the use of smart phones is making
:23:24. > :23:27.driving more dangerous than ever. We will start on the motorway first
:23:27. > :23:36.because we have a good chance of seeing people on the phone on a
:23:36. > :23:39.motorway. This policeman has seen an increase in drivers who like to
:23:39. > :23:43.text or surf. It seemed that we went through a phase where there
:23:43. > :23:46.was a lot of awareness and that if you were caught on the phone you
:23:46. > :23:51.would get stopped and you would get points on your licence and now that
:23:51. > :23:54.seems to have tailed off. People seem to have got a bit complacent.
:23:54. > :23:58.It tends to be tradesmen who are trying to sort things out because
:23:58. > :24:01.they are busy people and so on and so forth. You have everybody below
:24:01. > :24:06.that who needs to stay in touch, phoning the wife or the husband and
:24:06. > :24:09.running their busy lives and they feel the need to be on the phone.
:24:09. > :24:18.After just 10 minutes on the M27 near Southampton we spot a driver
:24:18. > :24:23.who seems to be using his mobile. What we will do is drop in here and
:24:23. > :24:26.see if he will come past us. He is texting at nearly 70 miles per hour.
:24:26. > :24:30.I generally find that it people on the phone because they are not
:24:30. > :24:33.concentrating, their speed comes down and they are not aware. As
:24:33. > :24:36.they come up behind slower moving traffic, they do not move up to
:24:36. > :24:43.overtake, they brake and brake and sit behind it so they can carry on
:24:43. > :24:46.with their call. To see how dangerous it is using a smart phone
:24:46. > :24:52.at the wheel we have come to the Transport Research Laboratory to
:24:52. > :24:57.find out and the results are shocking. Please start the engine
:24:57. > :25:00.using the ignition key and start to drive. This simulated test is
:25:00. > :25:05.designed to record my driving ability and awareness of when using
:25:05. > :25:07.a smart phone. Your friend Daniel twisted his ankle when playing
:25:07. > :25:15.tennis please send him a private message saying sorry about your
:25:15. > :25:22.ankle and get well soon. I am being instructed to send messages to my
:25:22. > :25:26.friend Daniel who is fictitious while I am driving. Oh, my word. I
:25:26. > :25:29.think we have got to get the message over that making a call or
:25:29. > :25:32.taking a call or concentrating on the phone rather than concentrating
:25:32. > :25:35.on the driving is just as dangerous as using a hand-held mobile phone
:25:35. > :25:42.which is what the police have been stopping people for for many years
:25:42. > :25:45.now. For example we found that when you drive with no distractions the
:25:45. > :25:49.drivers are looking down about 10 per cent of the time but when they
:25:49. > :25:52.are interacting with a smart phone they look down for 60 per cent of
:25:52. > :25:56.the time and that could lead to a crash which could be avoided by not
:25:56. > :26:00.looking at a smart phone. Tests show that using a smart phone is
:26:00. > :26:10.more dangerous than driving after a few drinks. Please send a private
:26:10. > :26:14.
:26:14. > :26:17.message saying Happy birthday and have fun at the party. When people
:26:17. > :26:27.are doing this kind of thing and their chance of an accident
:26:27. > :26:28.
:26:28. > :26:31.You are 23 times more likely to have an accid ent and when you're
:26:31. > :26:34.using a smart phone. It is hard to imagine why anyone would attempt to
:26:34. > :26:37.surf at 70 mph. Meanwhile back on the M27 the police officer is
:26:37. > :26:42.having trouble attaching our phone user's attention. So it might well
:26:42. > :26:47.be that he is so caught up in what he is doing he has not realised we
:26:47. > :26:50.are here. He is still doing it. Pullover. That is a classic example
:26:50. > :26:55.of how even with lights, sirens and a police car right beside you
:26:55. > :27:01.you're not paying attention. driver caught using their mobile
:27:01. > :27:09.faces a hefty fine and three points on their licence. Obviously you
:27:09. > :27:18.know why we have stopped you. Who were you texting? My girlfriend who
:27:18. > :27:25.is depressed?. Do you think lane two of the motorway is the place to
:27:25. > :27:29.be doing that? No. I take it that until you came alongside you with
:27:29. > :27:32.the silence on he did not know we were there. All right. I put the
:27:32. > :27:35.blue lights on and had police eliminated and we were following
:27:35. > :27:39.you and you did not react which was where had to come alongside the
:27:39. > :27:43.year. That is why we say do not use your mobile phone. In the long run,
:27:43. > :27:47.in the next decade or so, we will see phones and cars able to shut
:27:47. > :27:50.down that kind of communication once you are in the car and the car
:27:50. > :27:59.is moving. At the moment we can just raise the issue and tell
:27:59. > :28:05.people this is just as dangerous as having a drink and driving. It is
:28:05. > :28:08.just as dangerous as cannabis use and driving. Some of the smart
:28:08. > :28:16.phone users we spoke to in Southampton have their own ways of
:28:17. > :28:21.avoiding temptation. I just put my phone away into my pocket. I kee it
:28:21. > :28:24.in my boot when I am driving so that I do not text or even now when
:28:24. > :28:31.I it and driving. You actually put it in the brood out of temptations
:28:31. > :28:35.way? Yes. I lock it I cannot get into it. You take away the
:28:35. > :28:39.temptation altogether. There are far too many police cars on the
:28:39. > :28:42.road waiting to pull you over. But why should you feel that you can
:28:42. > :28:45.just use your mobile phone in your car at and potentially cause a
:28:45. > :28:49.serious, if not fatal crash? Is Russian roulette at that point.