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:00:01. > :00:07.famously connected to Elgar, who wrote the music for Land of Hope

:00:07. > :00:10.and Glory. Later in the programme, we will be discovering how this

:00:10. > :00:15.landscape could also be the inspiration for some of our most-

:00:15. > :00:23.loved TV theme tunes. They are theme tune millionaires,

:00:23. > :00:26.and they both live here in the magical, mysterious Malvern Hills.

:00:26. > :00:31.And we discover why a promising young actor put his career on hold

:00:31. > :00:35.to work for the RSPCA. It was one of the most

:00:35. > :00:39.heartbreaking things I've ever seen in my life. It wasn't a case of

:00:39. > :00:42.these two dogs going at it and that was it, it was all over in a second,

:00:42. > :00:45.this fight went on for hours. Also tonight, if you need to borrow

:00:45. > :00:55.money, we've got a warning about the interest rates being charged

:00:55. > :01:04.

:01:04. > :01:07.But we begin tonight with a story about dog fighting here in the

:01:07. > :01:17.Midlands. Former boxer Richie Woodhall has been finding out more,

:01:17. > :01:20.

:01:20. > :01:25.but I should warn you that even he Remember this face? Actor Adam

:01:25. > :01:29.Rickitt. He played Nicky Tilsley in Coronation Street and was a teenage

:01:29. > :01:35.heartthrob. I'm going to have to examine your chest.

:01:35. > :01:43.Only if I can examine yours first. He's giving up acting for a while

:01:43. > :01:47.So, Adam, we're used to seeing you in the Rovers Return, in Coronation

:01:47. > :01:50.Street, and now you're working for the RSPCA?

:01:50. > :01:55.Yeah, basically I've taken a year out of my life to help raise money

:01:55. > :01:57.for the first ever national hospital we are building here. But

:01:57. > :02:00.it's not the new hospital we're here to talk about.

:02:00. > :02:03.It's a problem the charity need help with tackling, and that's dog

:02:03. > :02:06.fighting. When I first joined, I got from one

:02:06. > :02:09.of the inspectors some undercover footage of an actual dog fight, and

:02:09. > :02:12.it was one of the most heartbreaking things I've ever seen

:02:12. > :02:16.in my life, because it wasn't the case of these two dogs going at

:02:16. > :02:21.each other and that was it, it was all over in seconds, this fight

:02:21. > :02:25.went on for hours. The police arrived and the inspectors arrived

:02:25. > :02:32.and you had this... The dog which won was so, you know, it was so

:02:32. > :02:39.knackered, basically, it was dying. And yet still when an inspector

:02:39. > :02:42.went down to treat it, it was trying to lick him.

:02:42. > :02:45.Organised dog fights with pitbull terriers are supposed to be a thing

:02:45. > :02:51.of the past. 21 years ago, the Dangerous Dogs Act was introduced

:02:51. > :02:55.to stop the problem of aggressive dogs.

:02:55. > :03:00.The act banned the breeding of four types of dogs in the hope it would

:03:00. > :03:03.wipe out those breeds in the UK. But it hasn't. It's just forced

:03:03. > :03:12.some owners underground, and made dogs like the pitbull terrier the

:03:12. > :03:15.ultimate status dog. Ian Briggs understands the secret

:03:15. > :03:23.world of fighting dogs because he's a chief inspector in the RSPCA's

:03:23. > :03:28.Special Operations Unit, and his surveillance footage is shocking.

:03:28. > :03:32.Oh, man! The swelling on the muzzle when he looks up.

:03:32. > :03:40.God, doesn't he look in pain? Doesn't he look a sorry sight?

:03:40. > :03:44.Jeez! Oh! It's just like a boxer completely swollen.

:03:44. > :03:47.Totally. I mean, for him, everything was

:03:47. > :03:53.breaking down, kidneys, liver, because there was so much poison in

:03:53. > :03:57.his body. Yeah. There was just nothing they could do for him.

:03:57. > :04:01.Totally exhausted? Yeah, he'd gone through so much trauma and shock

:04:01. > :04:05.they just couldn't bring him out of it, so he had to be put to sleep.

:04:05. > :04:09.This is the pit area. You can see the carpet they have put on the

:04:09. > :04:12.floor, that's so the dogs can grip and they are not slipping on the

:04:12. > :04:15.wooden floor. That's the main purse for the fight, just short of �3000

:04:15. > :04:19.there. So it's an organised underworld.

:04:20. > :04:23.But why would you want to force your dog to fight to the death?

:04:23. > :04:27.They can't have any affection for the dog?

:04:27. > :04:30.They would say they do. They would say they love their dog, and as a

:04:30. > :04:34.rule, they're not generally cruel to them when they're not fighting.

:04:34. > :04:39.But they don't see the fighting as being cruel, they see it as the dog

:04:39. > :04:41.doing what it wants to do, and it's trying to impress them, their owner.

:04:41. > :04:47.The evidence seized from previous investigations showed just how

:04:47. > :04:51.committed the owners are to attaining the perfect fighting dog.

:04:51. > :04:58.Tell me what that is. That is what's called a manual

:04:58. > :05:02.slatted treadmill. It's a treadmill specifically designed for dogs.

:05:02. > :05:07.What, to build stamina? To build stamina, muscle mass, that

:05:07. > :05:12.sort of thing. And the dog will just work freely,

:05:13. > :05:15.off you go? Often, what they will use is some sort of lure to get the

:05:16. > :05:20.dog running, something like this, where they will just dangle that in

:05:20. > :05:23.front of the dog so it chases it. I'm just looking down here. I

:05:23. > :05:28.wouldn't like to tackle the dog that that belonged to.

:05:28. > :05:31.What's that? That is a hefty weighted collar, a

:05:31. > :05:35.way of increasing the muscle mass on the dog's neck, which will

:05:35. > :05:38.assist it while it's fighting in the pit.

:05:38. > :05:41.If their dog regularly wins fights, that has a knock-on effect for not

:05:41. > :05:47.only their reputation, but how marketable that dog is for breeding

:05:47. > :05:53.and their bragging rights. Ian, the organised dog fighting

:05:53. > :05:58.ring, if you like, what kind of people are they?

:05:58. > :06:01.They go across the board and come from all sorts of backgrounds. It

:06:01. > :06:05.hinges around this obsession with the pitbull, and the history of dog

:06:05. > :06:09.fighting. We've had women prosecuted and sent to prison for

:06:09. > :06:12.dog fighting. Really?

:06:12. > :06:22.It's just this absolute obsession with the pitbull, its breed, the

:06:22. > :06:25.

:06:25. > :06:33.It's not only the organised dog fighting rings that are a problem

:06:33. > :06:37.in Birmingham. Numbers of status dogs are growing too. Dogs have

:06:37. > :06:41.replaced weapons, and the wrong sort of dog in the wrong hands is

:06:41. > :06:45.lethal. Police! Police! Any dogs on the

:06:45. > :06:50.premises? West Midlands Police are one of only two forces in the

:06:50. > :06:55.country to have a specialist unit to tackle the problem.

:06:55. > :06:58.This is dog death row. Some of these pitbulls have been

:06:58. > :07:02.trained to attack, and they are simply too aggressive to be re-

:07:02. > :07:05.homed. This is the sort of dog, he's quite

:07:05. > :07:08.unsociable, he comes from a background where we would not

:07:08. > :07:11.advocate his return. This dog is a product of poor socialisation and

:07:11. > :07:13.irresponsible dog ownership, and unfortunately, we will have to

:07:13. > :07:22.advocate for this dog's destruction, because to have this dog returned

:07:22. > :07:25.would be in our opinion a danger to public safety.

:07:25. > :07:27.PC Keith Evans from the Dangerous Dogs Unit believes pitbulls are

:07:27. > :07:33.used by criminals not because they're a banned breed, but because

:07:33. > :07:36.they're good at what they do. The pitbull terrier is the most

:07:36. > :07:39.abused and misued dog the world has ever seen.

:07:39. > :07:42.Because they're so resilient? Resilient, they're durable,

:07:42. > :07:45.powerful, and unfortunately those same traits that have stood them in

:07:45. > :07:54.good stead fighting for hundreds of years in the pits are now being

:07:54. > :07:57.abused and misused by a wide ring of the criminal fraternity.

:07:57. > :08:00.You have a perfectly healthy dog and he's obviously been brought up

:08:00. > :08:03.with the wrong owner who doesn't know how to look after the dog,

:08:03. > :08:10.hasn't socialised the dog properly, and this dog may have to be

:08:10. > :08:14.destroyed, and yet there seems nothing wrong with it at all.

:08:14. > :08:20.Heartbreaking. I had a pitbull as a family pet.

:08:20. > :08:23.Jessie. She lived till she was 13 years of age, and she never had one

:08:23. > :08:27.fight. In that time, we had three kids, and they were introduced to

:08:27. > :08:30.the dog and they loved the dog and the dog loved them. And she was the

:08:30. > :08:33.perfect example that a pitbull terrier, or that type of dog, could

:08:33. > :08:39.live in a family, in a home environment and have no problems at

:08:39. > :08:43.all. So I know from experience it's not

:08:43. > :08:50.the breed that is bad, but it's the way the dog's brought up. But what

:08:50. > :08:53.can be done to stop these dogs being used for sport or as weapons?

:08:53. > :08:56.These guys are extremely secretive, but there are people out there who

:08:56. > :08:59.know people who are involved in this, so they let ourselves or the

:09:00. > :09:09.police know, it gives us a fighting chance to investigate them and try

:09:10. > :09:11.

:09:11. > :09:14.If you'd like to comment on that, then why not drop me an e-mail? If

:09:15. > :09:22.you'd like to find out more about Adam Rickitt's campaign for a new

:09:22. > :09:24.animal hospital in our region, the The Office Of Fair Trading has

:09:25. > :09:30.promised to investigate the high interest rates being charged by

:09:30. > :09:33.some money lending shops. But with a huge increase in the number of

:09:33. > :09:42.online and high street lenders, we decided to visit West Bromwich to

:09:42. > :09:48.They're taking over our high streets, money lending shops that

:09:48. > :09:56.charge I watering the high interest rates. And where you find the

:09:56. > :09:59.poorest people is where they seem to want to be most. This is a

:09:59. > :10:08.typical high street in 2012. It feels like practically every other

:10:08. > :10:12.This is all we get in West Bromwich now, it's all you can see, these

:10:12. > :10:15.cash lending places. It's absolutely spoiling this country.

:10:15. > :10:20.The rates they are charging are terrible.

:10:20. > :10:26.Terrible, isn't it? I mean, you know, they're making

:10:26. > :10:30.money, but no-one else does. They are all right. I do not use them

:10:30. > :10:34.particularly, I walk past them. That one has just opened up there,

:10:34. > :10:39.that's about it really. I was thinking about... I don't know. I

:10:39. > :10:45.do wander by and look. It just draws you in, doesn't it?

:10:45. > :10:48.It's so easy. They make it too easy to get it. And harder to pay back.

:10:48. > :10:52.With families in financial crisis, our shops like this the answer to a

:10:52. > :10:58.prayer, or the start of a nightmare in a country which already has one

:10:58. > :11:03.of the highest rates of personal debt?

:11:03. > :11:12.Every minute of every working day, one person will go bankrupt.

:11:12. > :11:15.Earnings are not going up, but inflation is.

:11:15. > :11:18.People in Britain earn as much as the country produces.

:11:18. > :11:26.The interest paid in Britain on personal debts per day is �171

:11:26. > :11:28.million. �171 million per day. What are they doing with all the money?!

:11:28. > :11:37.The increasingly popular payday loans, intended to tide you over a

:11:37. > :11:39.short-term crisis, are sometimes over a staggering 4000 percent APR.

:11:40. > :11:42.The annual percentage rate was never designed to explain small sum,

:11:43. > :11:46.short-term loans, and when you buy anything in the high street, you

:11:46. > :11:54.look at the price on the label, don't you, and the price of thea

:11:54. > :11:57.payday loan is between �10 and �30 for every hundred.

:11:57. > :12:03.Frankly, 4000 percent isn't ethical. It isn't reasonable, and it isn't

:12:03. > :12:07.necessary. Now it seems a rival is about to

:12:07. > :12:10.step into the payday market. The Six Towns Credit Union in West

:12:10. > :12:15.Bromwich is one of those hoping to push the high interest lenders of

:12:15. > :12:20.the high Street. It's a popular place for savers and borrowers who

:12:20. > :12:23.become shareholders. Many have previously struggled to manage debt.

:12:24. > :12:30.The credit union is fantastic. Obviously, they are good if you

:12:30. > :12:34.want alone. It's better than going to the payday loans and whatnot.

:12:34. > :12:37.You can get into a lot of trouble with them, but you know where you

:12:37. > :12:41.stand with the credit union. They can help you with getting

:12:41. > :12:44.loans if you are in debt or you need some money. They can help you

:12:44. > :12:48.with that, and they're really good. I had to use one the other day,

:12:48. > :12:52.that's why I came here, signed it up and stuff, and they helped me,

:12:52. > :12:58.so I'm OK now. I've used it for taking kids on

:12:58. > :13:01.holidays, I've done my house. Do you think you will bring up your

:13:01. > :13:06.kids to use credit unions? Yeah, definitely. They've already

:13:06. > :13:10.got their shares in them. So they're saving as well!

:13:10. > :13:15.Don Hackett has a poor credit history. He's had to take out

:13:15. > :13:18.several high interest loans to meet life's emergencies.

:13:18. > :13:22.Obviously, if I had the money in the bank, then I wouldn't have to

:13:22. > :13:26.do it. But I have no other option, so I have to do it.

:13:26. > :13:31.The family wedding coming up could mean another loan, so Don agreed to

:13:31. > :13:34.come and take a look at what a credit union might do for him.

:13:34. > :13:40.Credit union, the maximum interest rate that we can charge is 26.8

:13:40. > :13:44.percent. We're not allowed to charge anything more than that. So

:13:44. > :13:49.a lot of companies are now starting to offer payday loans. And I'd just

:13:49. > :13:55.like to show you something. This is to borrow money over a one-month

:13:55. > :14:03.period. If you borrow �500, what you will pay back at the end of the

:14:03. > :14:06.month is �684. So the interest you've paid back is unbelievable.

:14:06. > :14:12.If you borrowed �500 off us for exactly the same period of time,

:14:12. > :14:22.you'd pay �510 and a penny in interest.

:14:22. > :14:24.

:14:24. > :14:28.�10 and a penny. �10 and a penny in It is a scandal. And at some point

:14:28. > :14:32.this government is going to have to regulate what the maximum rate of

:14:32. > :14:39.interest is that can be charged. It happens in most states in America

:14:39. > :14:42.and in Germany and Austria and so on. But not in this country. And of

:14:42. > :14:51.course the bigger the loan that you take out... Take out �1,500 for a

:14:51. > :14:54.month and you will pay �550 in interest. Wonga, whose online

:14:54. > :14:56.figures were quoted, didn't want to give us an interview, but in a

:14:56. > :14:59.statement argued their loans are designed for short periods, keeping

:14:59. > :15:08.costs down and they are careful to check potential customers can

:15:08. > :15:14.afford any repayments. Wonga says it makes it clear how much people

:15:14. > :15:24.have to pay and interest rates are not relevant. Customers typically

:15:24. > :15:25.

:15:25. > :15:27.pay �1 per day for every �100 borrowed. They say they turn down

:15:27. > :15:33.nearly two-thirds of first-time applicants. There is a growing

:15:33. > :15:35.campaign for interest rates to be capped. But the industry says it

:15:35. > :15:38.would simply mean higher risk customers would no longer be

:15:38. > :15:41.offered loans for what is often essential spending. Interest rate

:15:41. > :15:47.capping does not make loans cheaper. It makes them unavailable. And they

:15:47. > :15:50.have tried this in Australia. There are looking at it right now. In

:15:50. > :15:54.Australia, I would not be allowed to lend you less than $2,000, which

:15:54. > :15:58.is �1,500. What use is that to somebody who wants to borrow �200

:15:58. > :16:03.or �300 if the interest rate cap means I can only lend you �2,000?

:16:03. > :16:09.It doesn't help anybody. In 2010, the Office of Fair Trading came out

:16:09. > :16:17.in support of high interest lenders. They said shops like this are a

:16:17. > :16:22.valuable part of the economy. said customers of these shops have

:16:22. > :16:24.a lower than normal financial understanding. The Office of Fair

:16:25. > :16:27.Trading said capping interest rates could mean shops stop lending to

:16:27. > :16:33.higher risk customers. So, how realistic is the credit union

:16:33. > :16:35.alternative? Occasionally, credit unions do fail. Among them,

:16:35. > :16:39.Handsworth Breakthrough in Birmingham, which had fewer than

:16:39. > :16:45.500 members. They blamed poor financial controls and the failure

:16:46. > :16:55.of some borrowers to pay back loans. For some, this illustrates the need

:16:55. > :16:58.to charge high interest rates because of the higher risks taken.

:16:58. > :17:04.Some of our borrowers regretfully seemed rather forgetful about

:17:04. > :17:07.repaying the money which they had borrowed from other members. It is

:17:07. > :17:17.completely against the ethos of credit unions which are mutual

:17:17. > :17:18.

:17:19. > :17:22.enterprises and people help other people. It is a breach of trust.

:17:22. > :17:28.do track people who do not pay using bailiffs and the DWP to

:17:28. > :17:30.recover through benefits. If you're providing a service such as we do,

:17:30. > :17:33.on the basis of keeping money within the local community, and

:17:33. > :17:42.then end up with the situation where that money just gets taken

:17:42. > :17:51.away by people who have no intention of paying. -- it simply

:17:51. > :17:54.is not good enough. Credit unions emphasise money invested with them

:17:54. > :17:57.is safe and they say hundreds of successful unions with common bonds

:17:57. > :18:00.such as whether savers live or work prove that it isn't necessary to

:18:00. > :18:06.raise interest rates to make a profit. First of all, if you save

:18:06. > :18:10.with a credit union, every penny you have saved is insured. Secondly,

:18:10. > :18:13.because we try to work on the basis of ethical savings and loans, over

:18:13. > :18:17.the last four years now we have paid a dividend of 3.29% to savers

:18:17. > :18:25.which has just about the best deal on the high street for an instant

:18:25. > :18:28.access savings account. As credit unions increasingly dip their toes

:18:28. > :18:33.into the pay-day loans market, the campaign for a cap on interest

:18:33. > :18:43.rates continues. The Office of Fair Trading has promised to take

:18:43. > :18:43.

:18:43. > :18:45.another look in the next few months. Well, finally tonight, I have come

:18:45. > :18:49.to Malvern for some musical inspiration because Des Coleman

:18:49. > :18:59.tells me there is some serious money to be made if I can just come

:18:59. > :18:59.

:18:59. > :19:02.You wouldn't know them if you passed him in the street, but if

:19:02. > :19:12.you heard just a few bars of their music, you'd recognise them

:19:12. > :19:20.instantly. I wrote the BBC News theme. I composed the music to

:19:20. > :19:27.Weakest Link. They are theme tune millionaires and they both live

:19:27. > :19:31.here in the magical mysterious Malvern Hills. Home of Elgar. Yes,

:19:31. > :19:41.incredibly. Two of the most successful TV theme tune composers

:19:41. > :19:42.

:19:42. > :19:44.live and work here. Is it something in the water? There is this amazing

:19:44. > :19:54.magical feeling in Malvern that is quite inspirational I suppose

:19:54. > :19:55.

:19:55. > :19:58.because it has a unique quality to it. Today, David is working on a

:19:58. > :20:01.new commission. But it is the return royalties that roll in from

:20:01. > :20:07.the news and themes for The One Show, Countryfile, Grand Designs

:20:07. > :20:11.and many others that make him very comfortable. I think, with anything

:20:11. > :20:14.in life, if you have a passion for something, whatever you do, if you

:20:14. > :20:16.follow that passion and then if you are absolutely nuts about doing it,

:20:17. > :20:26.then you will be rewarded financially in the end. It is

:20:26. > :20:29.amazing. I am very lucky. That luck and ability has also bought him

:20:29. > :20:32.homes in the Malverns, London and Spain. And Paul's music for shows

:20:32. > :20:39.like Weakest Link, the Krypton Factor and Dancing On Ice has

:20:39. > :20:47.certainly set him up. When it comes to music that is broadcast, you're

:20:47. > :20:51.paid by the second. If I happen to have written music for a show that

:20:51. > :20:54.has 45 minutes' worth of music on a lot of times during the week and is

:20:54. > :20:58.on in a lot of countries throughout the world, it is earning money

:20:58. > :21:07.while I sleep. It has been reported that Paul makes a whopping �5,000

:21:07. > :21:11.every time the show airs in America. Welcome to Weakest Link. But there

:21:11. > :21:16.was little money in David's first job. He was a sound recordist, but

:21:16. > :21:18.he loved messing around with the keyboard. I went out and bought

:21:18. > :21:22.this spanking new synthesiser. A Roland polyphonic synthesiser. I

:21:22. > :21:26.got it out the box and I got it home and I just literally sat and

:21:26. > :21:30.went bang, like that. Oh, my God! That is it. The heavens opened, the

:21:30. > :21:33.oceans parted. I was absolutely nuts about it. And on this state of

:21:33. > :21:43.the art keyboard, he wrote his first theme music for Midlands

:21:43. > :21:43.

:21:43. > :21:46.Today in 1983. Then, in 1999 came a phone-call from this man. A graphic

:21:46. > :21:53.designer called Martin who was rebranding the BBC News transformed

:21:53. > :21:57.David's life. My brief to David was to use the news pips. It occurred

:21:57. > :22:01.to me some years before that one of the best identities of any sort was

:22:01. > :22:06.actually the news pips. Because throughout my lifetime, it had

:22:06. > :22:11.preceded the news. Following the briefing, David caught the train

:22:11. > :22:17.home and that is when the magic happened. I just sat there and it

:22:17. > :22:20.was looking out the window thinking about it. I thought maybe if I took

:22:20. > :22:27.the news pips and I could put a dance beat behind it and I could

:22:27. > :22:31.add a bassline and add some strings. And I thought that could be the one.

:22:31. > :22:39.He came in and he put this tape on and he played it and we all looked

:22:39. > :22:42.at each other and went, my goodness, that's it! It wasn't the pips, but

:22:42. > :22:47.the gentle peaks of the Malvern Hills that inspired Paul to write

:22:47. > :22:56.the Weakest Link music. It took him just five minutes to come up with

:22:56. > :22:59.the four note ditty. The idea is in television programmes anything that

:22:59. > :23:03.is instantly recognisable very quickly that you hear while you are

:23:03. > :23:09.cooking in the next room, and think I know that show was on, it has an

:23:09. > :23:18.iconic flavour to it. Weakest Link became his biggest hit and was sold

:23:18. > :23:23.right across the world. To me, it was just a piece of music that I

:23:23. > :23:27.did for a job. I didn't approach it differently to any other job. If

:23:28. > :23:31.somebody told me it was going to be a big success when I was doing it,

:23:31. > :23:34.I probably wouldn't have been able to do it as I would have been so

:23:34. > :23:40.mortified by fear. Imagine a payment every time you hear this.

:23:40. > :23:43.Or this. Or this. Now, it may sound like money for nothing, but don't

:23:43. > :23:49.say that to the Performing Rights Society. They're the ones that see

:23:49. > :23:53.that these composers get paid. These are very talented people who

:23:53. > :23:57.have worked a lifetime to become very good at what they do. And they

:23:57. > :24:01.are at the peak of their game. And as a result of these compositions,

:24:01. > :24:05.they're bringing in an awful lot of money to this country and it is a

:24:05. > :24:10.very very positive thing. And it is very rare for people to be this

:24:10. > :24:13.successful. So we are talking about the cream. So, crafting a catchy

:24:13. > :24:17.theme tune can make you a fortune. But with the promise of absolutely

:24:17. > :24:21.no money whatsoever, what can Paul and David do to update Inside Out's

:24:21. > :24:27.theme music? Luckily for us, they are up for the challenge, so we

:24:27. > :24:29.will see what they come up with later. Back in Malvern, Paul is

:24:29. > :24:38.working on the music for an ITV documentary about the Hillsborough

:24:38. > :24:46.Disaster. Wherever possible, he uses real instruments including

:24:46. > :24:53.something called the waterphone. That is scary. Yes. It is your

:24:53. > :24:57.typical cliched horror music. Here comes the monster! But in relation

:24:57. > :25:07.to something like this, it can add a real subtle sense of unease or a

:25:07. > :25:10.

:25:10. > :25:13.sense of trepidation or if things going wrong. -- or of things. So

:25:13. > :25:16.these small little elements are actually are really good part of

:25:16. > :25:19.any production getting the right tone. David! All right? How are

:25:19. > :25:22.you? How is it going? In London, David is also favouring real

:25:22. > :25:25.instruments. As he works with DJ Johnnie Walker on music for his new

:25:25. > :25:28.website. And this Birmingham-born veteran of pirate radio knows a

:25:28. > :25:33.good theme tune. He will forever be linked with Dwain Eddie's Because

:25:33. > :25:36.They Are Young. It had a mix of really twangy Dwain Eddie guitar

:25:36. > :25:41.and strings on it. And I just thought that was so unusual. And

:25:41. > :25:44.that became my theme tune. I used it for years and years. I dropped

:25:44. > :25:47.it once and my mum said to me, you've got to start using your

:25:47. > :25:51.theme tune again. She said, you were different. When you play that,

:25:51. > :25:56.somehow you come on the radio with more energy than when you don't use

:25:56. > :25:59.the theme tune. A good theme tune can make an actor's career. For

:25:59. > :26:03.four years, I was in EastEnders and I can tell you this, the only thing

:26:03. > :26:11.the actors ever wanted was to be featured in those closing bars of

:26:11. > :26:14.music. When I was mixing it in London, the creators of EastEnders

:26:14. > :26:17.came into the studio and the engineer was focusing on that drum

:26:17. > :26:26.fill, so when they heard that music, the rest of the orchestra was not

:26:26. > :26:29.playing because it was a solo. They said I was a genius and that is

:26:29. > :26:34.what they wanted for the credits. Are you telling me it was an

:26:34. > :26:37.accident?! Well, contrived accident! There may well be a lot

:26:37. > :26:43.of accidental magic about this business, but David believes most

:26:43. > :26:48.of us are capable of penning a tune. And in Malvern he loves encouraging

:26:48. > :26:52.budding composers. Right, so the test of a good song is whether we

:26:52. > :27:02.can sing along to it. Shall we give it a go? Here we go. Three, two,

:27:02. > :27:12.

:27:12. > :27:15.one, go. One! One! One! Louder! Time now to catch up on our

:27:15. > :27:18.composers' efforts on rewriting the Inside Out music. I was after a

:27:18. > :27:27.punchy three note melody that said Inside Out.

:27:27. > :27:30.NEW THEME PLAYS. For my theme tune, I really wanted

:27:30. > :27:38.the business of the orchestral strings and some really powerful

:27:38. > :27:43.drums. NEW THEME PLAYS.

:27:43. > :27:53.OK, guys, that was good. But if they ever get used, I want a share

:27:53. > :27:53.

:27:53. > :27:56.of those PRS royalties. And by the way, all the incidental music that

:27:56. > :27:59.you heard in this short film, that was written by Paul or David. Even

:27:59. > :28:09.this heroic almost majestic piece as I walk away into the Malvern

:28:09. > :28:13.

:28:13. > :28:17.Hills. More! More! Brilliant. Well, if you'd like to

:28:17. > :28:19.have a go at composing an Inside Out theme tune, you can post your

:28:20. > :28:23.efforts on our Facebook page. Although I am afraid we won't be

:28:23. > :28:30.paying any fees! That is it for tonight. We are back again next

:28:30. > :28:32.week with a very special programme. We will be bringing you the