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:00:09. > :00:12.Hello, and welcome to Inside Out. This week, we've come to Dudley

:00:12. > :00:17.Castle and Zoo to bring you three surprising stories from right

:00:17. > :00:21.across the West Midlands. On the programme tonight:

:00:21. > :00:26.Sold a service that wasn't delivered. We investigate claims

:00:26. > :00:31.from family who is say they've been ripped off my Midlands immigration

:00:31. > :00:41.firm. I can't explain how devastating this was. I literally

:00:41. > :00:42.

:00:42. > :00:49.wanted to crawl under my desk and cry.

:00:49. > :00:57.Also, the abductions tearing families apart. You have no control

:00:57. > :01:06.over it. In our final story, why the Cadbury

:01:06. > :01:16.people built a new village for their workers. That's all coming up

:01:16. > :01:20.

:01:20. > :01:24.Say you've got a wife, husband, mum or dad who isn't British but you

:01:24. > :01:28.would like them to stay with you in the UK. Well, there are companies

:01:28. > :01:33.that, for a feerbgs will help you to do this. We've been speaking to

:01:33. > :01:39.customers of one Midlands firm who say they've paid up and got nothing

:01:39. > :01:42.in return. -- for a fee will help you do this. Meet Bernadette. She

:01:42. > :01:48.was born in South Africa but has been legally living in the UK with

:01:48. > :01:52.her family for the past ten years. To her, Britain is home and she

:01:52. > :01:57.wants the Passport to Prove it. I've been married ten years to my

:01:57. > :02:07.husband who's British. My children are South African. We wanted to

:02:07. > :02:09.

:02:09. > :02:17.have a British family unit. It's a way of showing him as well that we

:02:17. > :02:21.want to be here. But things started to go wrong after she paid over

:02:21. > :02:27.�1,000. I can't explain how devastating it was. I wanted to

:02:27. > :02:37.crawl under my defpbg and die. I felt hopeless. -- desk and die. I

:02:37. > :02:39.

:02:39. > :02:44.felt hopeless. The company was called UK Visa &

:02:44. > :02:47.Immigration and she's not the only unhappy customer.

:02:47. > :02:51.We have spoken to more than ten people who believe they've been

:02:51. > :02:56.ripped off. Many say that after parting with their cash, the firm

:02:56. > :03:04.didn't do the work they were paid to do. Some say that phone lines

:03:04. > :03:11.simply went dead, others that refunds never materialised.

:03:11. > :03:16.We want to introduce you to a few people whose stories are the same.

:03:16. > :03:22.More disgruntled UK customers. Like Ian who says he paid �100 for a

:03:22. > :03:26.visa he didn't get. -- �1200. marryed to a lady from Thailand, we

:03:26. > :03:30.have been married seven years, we have a beautiful family. My father-

:03:30. > :03:35.in-law died relatively suddenly and that left my mother-in-law with

:03:35. > :03:41.very few people out in Thailand to help and look after her. She's

:03:41. > :03:47.elderly. We decided she should come and see us for a period of time.

:03:47. > :03:51.months on, he's still fighting for a refund. It was incredibly

:03:51. > :03:54.difficult. Being in a sales job myself, it was in the heart of the

:03:54. > :03:58.recession. We paid for it on the credit card and then, as my salary

:03:58. > :04:02.came down, we struggled to pay that back. Even now, we are still paying

:04:02. > :04:06.back that credit car, still paying interest on the credit card and

:04:06. > :04:10.struggling through month to month. Leigh is from Australia but moved

:04:10. > :04:16.to the UK nearly a year ago to marry her British husband. She paid

:04:16. > :04:21.for two visas and got the first one but yes, you guessed it, no sign of

:04:21. > :04:26.the second. I paid them �2,000 for both visas.

:04:26. > :04:32.That money was a one shot. If I didn't get what I needed for that

:04:32. > :04:36.money, I didn't have the money to do it again. They prey on your

:04:36. > :04:38.emotions, and on your need to join your families together or to start

:04:38. > :04:42.a new life in the UK for a lot of people.

:04:42. > :04:47.The people we have just heard from are a drop in the ocean. We

:04:47. > :04:52.discovered there's been around 100 complaints about UK Visa and

:04:52. > :04:56.Immigration. With a fee of roughly �1,000 per customer, it's big

:04:56. > :05:01.business. What's happening on the inside? We

:05:01. > :05:07.spoke to three former employees. Adam is one of them. He zod remain

:05:07. > :05:11.anonymous to avoid any possible consequences. He asked to remain

:05:11. > :05:15.anonymous. We were told to put customers on hold for ten minutes,

:05:15. > :05:20.pretend we'd come back if a chat with a barrister and say, as long

:05:20. > :05:26.as you can pay today, we can 100% get your visa sorted. Employees

:05:26. > :05:30.were under pressure to get money out of customers. I heard customers

:05:30. > :05:38.crying. One consultant said to a customer, do you love your wife, so

:05:38. > :05:41.is she worth �1,50 0ps you wouldn't talk to your dog in the same way -

:05:41. > :05:46.�1,500. Adam and others told us something else interesting about

:05:46. > :05:51.the company, that it goes under a number of different names.

:05:51. > :05:59.Curious? So were we. So we did a bit of digging and this is what we

:05:59. > :06:05.found out. UK Visa & Immigration started life

:06:06. > :06:11.in 2010. And this was the trading name for another company called UK

:06:11. > :06:15.Visa Specialists Ltd, the director was a man named Ash Shadat. In July,

:06:15. > :06:20.the company was banned by the body which regulates immigration

:06:20. > :06:24.advisers because of the number of complaints we are told making it a

:06:24. > :06:32.criminal offence for the company or its employees to offer imgrace

:06:32. > :06:37.advice. This is where it gets interesting. Last year, another

:06:37. > :06:43.company was created under the name of UK Immigration Barristers. We

:06:43. > :06:48.tracked down two people who work for them, they also worked for UK

:06:48. > :06:52.Visa & Immigration, the firm that took money off the customers we

:06:52. > :06:57.heard from earlier. The people admit working for the firms but

:06:57. > :07:02.Mohammed said he did so as a self- employed person. As the company

:07:02. > :07:07.appears to have stopped trading, UK Immigration Barristers hasn't.

:07:07. > :07:15.We have heard that it's giving advice through unqualified advisers

:07:15. > :07:20.which could be illegal. So we thought we'd put this to the test.

:07:20. > :07:23.Craig speaking, how can I help... I'm looking for some immigration

:07:23. > :07:28.files... This is our actress, Siobhan. We asked her to call,

:07:28. > :07:32.pretending to need help to get a visa for her husband and we also

:07:32. > :07:37.asked a leading immigration solicitor to listen in. All right,

:07:37. > :07:40.I'm going to pop you on hold to see the legal team with regards to this.

:07:40. > :07:45.Bear with me. OK. Remember, it's a criminal offence to give

:07:45. > :07:51.immigration advice unless advisers are qualified or the company is

:07:51. > :07:55.regulated and the firm were about to hear from isn't. What about

:07:55. > :08:02.coming over on a visitor's visa. Is that a possibility and applying

:08:02. > :08:07.when he gets here when we save some more money up? Yes, he could get a

:08:07. > :08:13.visit visa, but he wouldn't be able to... Sounds suspiciously like

:08:13. > :08:17.immigration advice to me. But what does the expert think? It would

:08:17. > :08:21.make any prosecution peck pif purchaser of the services

:08:21. > :08:24.uncomfortable -- prospective. The adviser is not regulated, as they

:08:24. > :08:27.should be. It would make you uncomfortable. He's not sure about

:08:27. > :08:32.the people giving the advice. What does he make about the advice

:08:32. > :08:37.itself? The advice that's been given today to Siobhan is

:08:37. > :08:42.immigration law advice, advice for which she received was all accurate.

:08:42. > :08:48.We put our evidence to Nadim, the man in charge of the company we

:08:48. > :08:52.just heard from, UK Immigration Barristers, he denies links to the

:08:52. > :09:02.previous companies and says his company acts as broker between

:09:02. > :09:11.

:09:11. > :09:13.That's interesting. I'm sure we heard some immigration advice been

:09:13. > :09:19.given earlier -- being given earlier.

:09:19. > :09:29.We put it to him that he may have been acting illegally by not being

:09:29. > :09:32.

:09:32. > :09:36.We spoke to the organisations who both say this isn't the case. We

:09:36. > :09:40.also tracked down the man behind the now defunct UK Visa &

:09:40. > :09:45.Immigration to ask the big question - will customers like Bernadette

:09:45. > :09:49.get their money back? We have spoken to about a dozen

:09:49. > :09:56.customers who didn't get the service they paid for. Why didn't

:09:56. > :10:00.they get their service? Once your licence is cancelled, you are not

:10:00. > :10:02.allowed to give advice. Towards the end of the life of a visa, there

:10:02. > :10:06.were client who is maybe didn't get the service, no doubt. That's

:10:06. > :10:11.because time ran out for us. Those who didn't get the service are due

:10:11. > :10:14.a refund aren't they, that they haven't had? These moneys are held

:10:14. > :10:17.by a merchant provider because the majority of these payments were

:10:17. > :10:21.paid by card. The merchant providers have been taking time

:10:21. > :10:24.releasing the fund and we have been waiting since March 2011 for the

:10:24. > :10:28.moneys to be released. If they qualify for a refund, no problem,

:10:28. > :10:32.I'll pay it up myself. Not a problem at all. At the end of the

:10:32. > :10:37.day, I'm not here to take money for nothing. Some interesting answers,

:10:37. > :10:44.but we've still got a few questions. So we are on our way to London with

:10:45. > :10:50.Bernadette to hand over our evidence to the regulator.

:10:50. > :10:56.Evidence give tonne us about activity that may be illegal, we

:10:56. > :10:59.would look at very seriously. If the firm is found to be trading

:10:59. > :11:03.outside of regulation and it's appropriate for us to do so because

:11:03. > :11:07.it's in the public interest, we'll prosecute as we have done with many

:11:07. > :11:11.others. We have heard from the regulator. Now let us hear from

:11:11. > :11:15.Bernadette. I'm toobt fill her in with my chat on the commissioner --

:11:15. > :11:21.I'm about to fill her in with my chat with the commissioner. That

:11:21. > :11:25.gives me a lot of hope. Most of all, I don't want anybody that's in the

:11:25. > :11:30.same situation that me and my family have been in to go through

:11:30. > :11:32.this. It was an horrendous part of my life that I hope never to two

:11:32. > :11:36.through again. Fresh hope for Bernadette then, but there are

:11:36. > :11:40.thousands of families like hers who want the right to stay together in

:11:40. > :11:50.a country they love. And there are thousands of firms who want to help

:11:50. > :11:54.

:11:54. > :11:58.them for a price. All very well if More than 140,000 children go

:11:58. > :12:02.missing a year in Britain, that's one every three minutes. But it's

:12:02. > :12:07.not just run away teenagers. An increasing number are being

:12:07. > :12:17.abducted by people they know and trust, their mother or father. And

:12:17. > :12:28.

:12:28. > :12:33.sometimes the parent left behind Scrawled in her school notebook

:12:33. > :12:41.shortly before she disappeared, six-year-old Amina's message is

:12:42. > :12:51.clear. She loves her dad very much. But now she's almost certainly

:12:51. > :12:55.living 5,000 miles away with her mum in Pakistan. Safraz fears he

:12:55. > :13:01.may never see her again. He was granted custody following divorce,

:13:01. > :13:04.but while Amina was staying with her mum for a few days, they both

:13:04. > :13:10.went missing. It's the worst feeling ever. It's

:13:10. > :13:17.like a bereavement. I'm dealing with that loss even though she's

:13:17. > :13:26.still alive somewhere. It's like a bereavement because she's just

:13:27. > :13:32.completely disappeared and you have no control over that.

:13:32. > :13:42.Amina is now seven. At home, her bedroom's been left as it was the

:13:42. > :13:45.

:13:45. > :13:50.It's difficult to come into this room and most of the times I just

:13:50. > :13:55.keep the door locked. Other than the cat sleeping in here. There are

:13:56. > :14:03.toys and her birthday presents have been left unopened. It was her

:14:03. > :14:07.birthday in July. Safraz and his family have been to

:14:07. > :14:10.Pakistan five times to help find Amina. There's an agreement between

:14:10. > :14:17.the UK and Pakistan designed to return children to the rightful

:14:17. > :14:20.parent, but Safraz says the authorities have been unhelpful.

:14:20. > :14:26.Unfortunately, Pakistan has this reputation of being a corrupt

:14:26. > :14:30.country. In most cases, I've been asked to pay money to recover my

:14:30. > :14:35.daughter. I've contacted some law firms in Pakistan and they've said,

:14:35. > :14:39.our fee is, this but we need more money to pay the police separately

:14:39. > :14:49.otherwise they are not going to pay for your daughter. We all miss her

:14:49. > :15:00.

:15:00. > :15:08.still and I'll not give up Jamila prays five times a day and

:15:08. > :15:14.each time she begs Allah to return her son to her. She has an old

:15:14. > :15:20.video with footage of her son Dodi. Until recently, she only had one

:15:20. > :15:28.photograph. It's five years since she last saw him.

:15:28. > :15:35.Part of me is numb now, is dead. I'm a walking dead person. I'm not

:15:35. > :15:43.myself any more. I don't seem to trust anybody. It's just appears to

:15:43. > :15:47.me that I've lost a big world of mine because of that.

:15:47. > :15:51.Dodi was born in Sweden. After her relationship with her husband broke

:15:51. > :15:55.down, Jamila noticed that Dodi returned from her father's care

:15:55. > :15:59.bruised and in pain. She decided to take him to England. Under The

:15:59. > :16:03.Hague convention, a court forced her to return to Sweden because she

:16:03. > :16:08.hadn't sought her ex-husband's permission. There, she was arrested

:16:08. > :16:15.and jailed for six months. But after she was released, Dodi

:16:15. > :16:20.and his father disappeared. It's hard. As a parent, you hear

:16:20. > :16:25.voices every day like he's calling you and somebody's kids calling

:16:25. > :16:29.their mother, you wish it was him. When he's not well, you don't know

:16:29. > :16:36.whether he needs you there. When he's thirsty, you're not there to

:16:36. > :16:43.give him a drink. I mean, every day is hard, it's in my head, he's in

:16:43. > :16:47.my head. Jamila had almost given up, then she typed her son's name into

:16:47. > :16:50.her Facebook account and there he was, now 14 years old and living in

:16:50. > :16:57.America. I just clicked the name, I just

:16:57. > :17:02.felt, you know, a mother's instinct ts, click the name and here it

:17:02. > :17:08.comes. And I burst into tears, all the way to the police station "I've

:17:08. > :17:15.found my son on the Internet!" Jamila sends messages to Dodi, but

:17:15. > :17:22.most go unanswered. On Mother's Day, she received a rare reply. He send

:17:22. > :17:27.me that particular e-mail and they say that yes, he still says I'm in

:17:27. > :17:31.his heart, he's throwing me a heart and he says for a special mum.

:17:31. > :17:36.Jamila has now started proceedings with American courts to try to get

:17:36. > :17:41.access. The number of abductions is rising as more and more couples

:17:41. > :17:46.separate. A decade ago, two out of three abductors were men. Now two

:17:46. > :17:52.in three are women. Both parents have spoken to us

:17:52. > :17:57.about the health implications. There's been heart attacks, nervous

:17:57. > :18:05.breakdowns, depression. Child abduction, there is absolutely no

:18:05. > :18:08.winners whatsoever. It was to reunite that Belinda

:18:08. > :18:13.Chapman turned 12 years ago when her son was illegally smug told

:18:13. > :18:16.Turkey by his father. The charity and the police worked

:18:16. > :18:21.tirelessly to get him back, but it took four years.

:18:21. > :18:24.This was the day he returned, confused, clinging to an embassy

:18:24. > :18:28.official. He'd all but forgotten his mother

:18:28. > :18:33.who is behind him. Now, they are close.

:18:33. > :18:40.At the beginning, I didn't used to feel like I knew him and I think he

:18:40. > :18:45.felt the same about me, you know. Of course, he lived with his father

:18:45. > :18:51.and he indoctrine ateed things into him to make him think I wasn't a

:18:51. > :18:56.good person. I love him now and he loves me but it's a hard journey

:18:56. > :19:04.even when you get them back. Safraz plans more tricks to

:19:04. > :19:08.Pakistan as he continues his search for Amina and as yet, Jamina's

:19:08. > :19:16.prayers remain unanswered. I've said to myself that he will be

:19:16. > :19:21.back in my life one day. I'll watch him sleeping one day and I'll stare

:19:21. > :19:24.at him the whole night he sleeps. That's what I promised myself.

:19:24. > :19:28.love my daughter so much and she was so happy. I want her home back

:19:28. > :19:34.in the UK where she lives, she's a British national, she's not

:19:34. > :19:37.Pakistani. I will not give up searching for my daughter, I can't.

:19:37. > :19:42.Changes in international law will force Governments to cooperate more

:19:42. > :19:45.on child abduction. But many countries still ignore The Hague

:19:46. > :19:55.convention. Every day, more children are being used as weapons

:19:55. > :20:03.by their warring parents. Let us know your thoughts about any

:20:03. > :20:08.of tonight's stories on the Facebook page.

:20:08. > :20:11.Now, Cadburys is one of Britain's most famous companies, its

:20:11. > :20:15.chocolate eaten across the world, but perhaps what's less well-known

:20:15. > :20:20.is that its founders were quakers and their faith helped make them

:20:20. > :20:27.pioneers in more ways than one. Stuart has been finding out more

:20:27. > :20:33.about the origins of the Quaker religion

:20:33. > :20:36.It may look like a fairly modest, unassuming house, but this 16th

:20:36. > :20:45.century building holds a special significance for quakers, as this

:20:45. > :20:49.is where it all began. It was here near Ulverston that

:20:49. > :20:53.Judge Thomas Fell and his wife received a strange, unconventional

:20:53. > :21:02.visitor who was to change their lives and the lives of thousands of

:21:02. > :21:05.people forever. George Fox was a charismatic fire

:21:05. > :21:09.brand from Leicestershire with strong views about religion. In the

:21:09. > :21:13.mid 1600s, he rebelled against the state-run Church of England and

:21:13. > :21:18.travelled the country preaching the then controversial message that God

:21:18. > :21:22.is within us all and therefore we have no need for priests organised

:21:22. > :21:26.religion or religious buildings. Having had a divine vision at the

:21:26. > :21:30.top of Pendle Hill in Lancashire, George Fox made his way to the hall

:21:30. > :21:34.where he'd go on to found the Quaker movement with the help of

:21:34. > :21:41.the locals. What he knows about the hall is

:21:41. > :21:47.that it is the home of a judge, Thomas Fell, and his wife Margaret.

:21:47. > :21:52.They are sincere, puritans. Judge Fell is a bigwig, a lawyer and

:21:52. > :21:57.friend of Cromwell's, you know, a former MP.

:21:57. > :22:00.He uses this house, Judge Fell, as a sort of Open House, for

:22:00. > :22:05.travelling puritan preachers, so it's natural I think that Fox would

:22:05. > :22:11.have made his way here. Were the Fells taking a big risk in

:22:11. > :22:15.harbouring this new fire brand preacher? After the execution of

:22:15. > :22:19.the King in 1649, there is this huge almost desperate search for

:22:19. > :22:26.truth in religion and for creating a Godly country. That's what people

:22:26. > :22:30.are trying to do. So at this time, Fox is simply one of a whole range

:22:30. > :22:34.of different possibilities. Yes, it is threatening from the

:22:34. > :22:41.very beginning and it's threatening because it challenges the status

:22:41. > :22:46.quo and challenges the status quo socially, religiously. To that

:22:46. > :22:51.extent, they are taking a risk. George Fox travelled extensively,

:22:51. > :22:56.but he always returned to the hall which still houses some of his

:22:56. > :23:02.effects. When Judge Fell died exFox married his widow Margaret, seen as

:23:02. > :23:12.the mother of the Quaker movement. The Quakers still hold meetings

:23:12. > :23:12.

:23:12. > :23:17.here which are held in silence. You can concentrate on the spirit.

:23:17. > :23:22.If somebody feels moved to speak, they can stand up and spook. So

:23:22. > :23:32.there is no separate clergy no, fixed lit you arey, it's using the

:23:32. > :23:36.

:23:36. > :23:40.silence as a way of doing that -- littery. -- litergy. This 17th

:23:40. > :23:44.century dress-making class takes place here. This period in history

:23:44. > :23:48.has very little information that we can find when we researched it as

:23:48. > :23:51.to the type of typical garments every day people could wear. We

:23:51. > :23:56.found this painting and we have used that as a base and we've used

:23:56. > :24:01.that to create this red jacket. Would that have been for best?

:24:01. > :24:06.Looks like it was? I think it would be for every day, really. We have

:24:06. > :24:12.aimed at creating garments which are for every day wear. Right.

:24:12. > :24:16.Roughly about 1660, so aboutn the years after Quakerism started. So

:24:16. > :24:21.all the plain dress and things like that have come later. Do you fancy

:24:21. > :24:31.wearing that every day? Erm... it comfortable? Yes, but I would

:24:31. > :24:34.

:24:34. > :24:38.I thought I knew Cumbria pretty well, I spend a lot of time here,

:24:38. > :24:42.yet I had no idea that a major world religion was founded here a

:24:42. > :24:47.few miles outside Ulverston is. I also had no experience, until this

:24:47. > :24:51.morning, of a quaker meeting. Far from finding it odd or

:24:51. > :25:01.uncomfortable or self-conscious, it seems quiet and reflective and the

:25:01. > :25:06.

:25:06. > :25:12.Members of the religious Society of Friends or quakers, as they are

:25:12. > :25:17.better known, have certainly made a name for themselves. James Dean was

:25:17. > :25:20.a Quaker, Barclay's bank was founded by quakers. The Cadbury

:25:20. > :25:23.family established the chocolate factory here in the suburb of

:25:23. > :25:27.Birmingham they created called Bournville.

:25:27. > :25:32.The town was named Bournville to give it a continental sounding name,

:25:32. > :25:34.as French chocolate was at that time thought to be the best in the

:25:34. > :25:38.world. George Cadbury built the town as a model community for the

:25:38. > :25:42.people of Birmingham. With its beautiful architecture and spacious

:25:42. > :25:49.gardens, it's still regularly topping the poll of best places to

:25:50. > :25:53.live in Britain. Did they establish their factory along Quaker

:25:54. > :25:56.principles? It was very much run on Quaker lines, although they were

:25:56. > :26:01.astute businessmen. The ethics were very important in the way they

:26:01. > :26:06.treated their workers. The facilities they provided for them,

:26:06. > :26:10.the pension, the day release for extended education. The sports

:26:10. > :26:15.facilities. That was very much their Quaker influence. Of course,

:26:15. > :26:20.they treated their customers, again it was very much from Quaker

:26:20. > :26:22.origins. Why did so many quakers go into manufacturing? At the time

:26:22. > :26:27.Quakerism started, they were so much shunned by the establishment,

:26:27. > :26:31.in fact persecuted and imprisoned at times. The Cadbury family came

:26:31. > :26:34.from the West Country here, as did lots of people, not just quakers,

:26:34. > :26:38.to Birmingham, because they were welcomed here. You don't have to be

:26:38. > :26:43.a Quaker or indeed work at Cadbury to live in Bournville, but the

:26:43. > :26:47.friends meeting house still stands at the sten ter of the community

:26:47. > :26:51.where I met Anne ah third generation Quaker who's spent most

:26:51. > :26:55.of her life here -- stands at the centre of the community. What do

:26:55. > :27:00.you find attractive about Quakerism? I think it's an approach

:27:00. > :27:05.to life that we show our faith through the way we live, that we

:27:05. > :27:11.try and care for people and the environment we live in. We don't

:27:11. > :27:16.see ourselves as superior in any way and we don't wish to do harm to

:27:16. > :27:22.anyone. All sounds a bit pious. Well, no. It's a hard thing to live

:27:22. > :27:28.up to, but George Fox, the founder said, let your lives speak, and so

:27:28. > :27:33.we try to treat people in the world as we'd also like to be treated.

:27:33. > :27:38.Tell me about the campaign by Tesco's? We are perhaps unique in

:27:39. > :27:42.fighting Tescos and winning. Yes. Because the Quaker principles of

:27:42. > :27:47.the village were that there would be no alcohol. At the time when the

:27:47. > :27:51.village was built in the early 1900s, alcohol was a huge problem

:27:51. > :27:55.for workers and George Cadbury wanted his workers to be healthy

:27:55. > :28:02.and have outdoor lives and not ruin themselves on the waste their money

:28:02. > :28:06.by trinking. From the wild and wind swept beginnings on the Furness

:28:06. > :28:10.peninsula, Quakerism has grown and spread to become a world religion

:28:10. > :28:16.on the basis of even global businesses. At the heart of it, the

:28:16. > :28:19.same quiet and human principles that George forbgs formulated 400

:28:20. > :28:23.years ago. -- George Fox formulated 400 years ago. That is it for

:28:23. > :28:32.tonight. If you have a story that you think we should know about,

:28:32. > :28:34.drop me an e-mail. I would love to hear from you.

:28:34. > :28:39.Coming up on the programme next week:

:28:39. > :28:43.We investigate the sickening attacks on the best of man's best