11/02/2013

:00:01. > :00:02.This programme contains a hard- This programme contains a hard-

:00:02. > :00:03.This programme contains a hard- hitting report about child abuse,

:00:03. > :00:13.hitting report about child abuse, hitting report about child abuse,

:00:13. > :00:16.

:00:16. > :00:17.which some viewers may find Hello. You find me amongst 70

:00:17. > :00:18.Hello. You find me amongst 70 Hello. You find me amongst 70

:00:18. > :00:21.historic aircraft at the Royal Air historic aircraft at the Royal Air

:00:21. > :00:22.historic aircraft at the Royal Air Force Museum in Cosford. And

:00:22. > :00:23.Force Museum in Cosford. And Force Museum in Cosford. And

:00:23. > :00:24.tonight, we've a previously unseen tonight, we've a previously unseen

:00:24. > :00:25.tonight, we've a previously unseen interview with one of the most

:00:25. > :00:26.interview with one of the most interview with one of the most

:00:26. > :00:29.controversial figures of the Second controversial figures of the Second

:00:29. > :00:31.controversial figures of the Second controversial figures of the Second

:00:31. > :00:32.World War - Bomber Harris. Also on the show:

:00:32. > :00:32.the show: the show:

:00:32. > :00:33.the show: After two and half years on the

:00:33. > :00:34.After two and half years on the After two and half years on the

:00:34. > :00:39.road, a famous theatre company road, a famous theatre company

:00:39. > :00:40.road, a famous theatre company prepares to go home. We've really

:00:40. > :00:41.prepares to go home. We've really prepares to go home. We've really

:00:41. > :00:41.enjoyed our time out of the enjoyed our time out of the

:00:41. > :00:42.enjoyed our time out of the building, it's been really exciting

:00:42. > :00:43.building, it's been really exciting building, it's been really exciting

:00:43. > :00:44.and we've learned loads of new and we've learned loads of new

:00:44. > :00:45.and we've learned loads of new things, but we're really looking

:00:45. > :00:46.things, but we're really looking things, but we're really looking

:00:46. > :00:47.forward to getting back in the forward to getting back in the

:00:47. > :00:48.forward to getting back in the building and revving up, bringing

:00:48. > :00:49.building and revving up, bringing building and revving up, bringing

:00:49. > :00:54.building and revving up, bringing the audiences back in and having a

:00:54. > :00:55.good time. good time.

:00:55. > :00:56.good time. But first tonight, we investigate a

:00:56. > :00:57.But first tonight, we investigate a But first tonight, we investigate a

:00:57. > :00:58.But first tonight, we investigate a rise in reports of child sex abuse

:00:58. > :01:00.rise in reports of child sex abuse rise in reports of child sex abuse

:01:00. > :01:00.and grooming in the West Midlands. and grooming in the West Midlands.

:01:01. > :01:02.and grooming in the West Midlands. One charity says the number of

:01:02. > :01:03.One charity says the number of One charity says the number of

:01:03. > :01:05.calls from this region has doubled calls from this region has doubled

:01:05. > :01:06.calls from this region has doubled calls from this region has doubled

:01:06. > :01:08.in the last five years. So what can in the last five years. So what can

:01:08. > :01:13.in the last five years. So what can be done to protect our children?

:01:13. > :01:15.be done to protect our children? Giles Latcham reports.

:01:15. > :01:16.Giles Latcham reports. Giles Latcham reports.

:01:16. > :01:17.Giles Latcham reports. A life in boxes. But this time it's

:01:17. > :01:19.A life in boxes. But this time it's A life in boxes. But this time it's

:01:19. > :01:20.a happy occasion for Steve. That's a happy occasion for Steve. That's

:01:20. > :01:21.a happy occasion for Steve. That's a happy occasion for Steve. That's

:01:21. > :01:22.because this is his own home - because this is his own home -

:01:22. > :01:23.because this is his own home - because this is his own home -

:01:24. > :01:24.something he never had as a child. something he never had as a child.

:01:24. > :01:25.something he never had as a child. something he never had as a child.

:01:25. > :01:26.By 15, he'd seen more care homes By 15, he'd seen more care homes

:01:26. > :01:29.By 15, he'd seen more care homes and foster families than he'd had

:01:29. > :01:33.and foster families than he'd had and foster families than he'd had

:01:33. > :01:34.birthdays. He was abused throughout. birthdays. He was abused throughout.

:01:34. > :01:38.birthdays. He was abused throughout. birthdays. He was abused throughout.

:01:38. > :01:39.You seem to grow up with it. You You seem to grow up with it. You

:01:39. > :01:40.You seem to grow up with it. You know, if another boy or another

:01:40. > :01:41.know, if another boy or another know, if another boy or another

:01:41. > :01:42.girl come into the dormitories, or girl come into the dormitories, or

:01:42. > :01:43.girl come into the dormitories, or whatever, you know, you knew you

:01:43. > :01:44.whatever, you know, you knew you whatever, you know, you knew you

:01:44. > :01:45.whatever, you know, you knew you was going to get played with, or

:01:45. > :01:50.was going to get played with, or was going to get played with, or

:01:50. > :01:51.something was going to be happening. something was going to be happening.

:01:51. > :01:52.something was going to be happening. You remember seeing the telltale

:01:52. > :01:53.You remember seeing the telltale You remember seeing the telltale

:01:53. > :01:54.You remember seeing the telltale signs from the other boys and the

:01:54. > :01:54.signs from the other boys and the signs from the other boys and the

:01:54. > :02:01.signs from the other boys and the other girls - you know, wet beds,

:02:01. > :02:02.other girls - you know, wet beds, other girls - you know, wet beds,

:02:02. > :02:04.crying. But the emotional impact of crying. But the emotional impact of

:02:04. > :02:05.crying. But the emotional impact of abuse is less obvious. He still

:02:05. > :02:06.abuse is less obvious. He still vividly remembers the regular

:02:06. > :02:07.vividly remembers the regular vividly remembers the regular

:02:07. > :02:08.punishment of being locked for punishment of being locked for

:02:08. > :02:11.punishment of being locked for punishment of being locked for

:02:11. > :02:12.hours in a dark cupboard, under the hours in a dark cupboard, under the

:02:12. > :02:13.hours in a dark cupboard, under the stairs. You knew in there, there

:02:13. > :02:16.stairs. You knew in there, there stairs. You knew in there, there

:02:16. > :02:17.was nobody, there was nothing. was nobody, there was nothing.

:02:17. > :02:18.was nobody, there was nothing. was nobody, there was nothing.

:02:18. > :02:19.You'd be there in your pants, or You'd be there in your pants, or

:02:19. > :02:20.You'd be there in your pants, or whatever, sat there, you'd see all

:02:20. > :02:21.whatever, sat there, you'd see all whatever, sat there, you'd see all

:02:21. > :02:22.whatever, sat there, you'd see all the marks on the wall where they'd

:02:22. > :02:23.the marks on the wall where they'd the marks on the wall where they'd

:02:23. > :02:25.all written their names, being all all written their names, being all

:02:25. > :02:26.all written their names, being all all written their names, being all

:02:26. > :02:27.big and brave. You knew after an big and brave. You knew after an

:02:27. > :02:29.big and brave. You knew after an big and brave. You knew after an

:02:29. > :02:33.hour of writing that you'd be BLEEP. hour of writing that you'd be BLEEP.

:02:33. > :02:35.hour of writing that you'd be BLEEP. hour of writing that you'd be BLEEP.

:02:35. > :02:35.Sorry. You'd be scared to crap. So, Sorry. You'd be scared to crap. So,

:02:35. > :02:36.Sorry. You'd be scared to crap. So, yeah. Emotionally, being in that

:02:36. > :02:37.yeah. Emotionally, being in that yeah. Emotionally, being in that

:02:37. > :02:42.yeah. Emotionally, being in that box, you have to come out of that

:02:42. > :02:43.box, you have to come out of that box, you have to come out of that

:02:43. > :02:44.box, you have to come out of that box at some stage. When you get out

:02:45. > :02:52.box at some stage. When you get out box at some stage. When you get out

:02:52. > :02:54.of that box there's a 40-year-old of that box there's a 40-year-old

:02:54. > :02:55.of that box there's a 40-year-old man. It's completely different.

:02:55. > :02:56.man. It's completely different. man. It's completely different.

:02:56. > :02:57.man. It's completely different. abuse began when he was just three

:02:57. > :03:00.abuse began when he was just three abuse began when he was just three

:03:00. > :03:01.years old. The scars remain today. years old. The scars remain today.

:03:01. > :03:02.years old. The scars remain today. years old. The scars remain today.

:03:02. > :03:03.It's not until you find out that It's not until you find out that

:03:03. > :03:04.It's not until you find out that It's not until you find out that

:03:04. > :03:04.what's happened to me as a child what's happened to me as a child

:03:04. > :03:08.what's happened to me as a child obviously created this person as

:03:08. > :03:09.obviously created this person as obviously created this person as

:03:09. > :03:11.I've been going along. I've not I've been going along. I've not

:03:11. > :03:12.I've been going along. I've not I've been going along. I've not

:03:12. > :03:22.been a great dad. I've not been a been a great dad. I've not been a

:03:22. > :03:23.been a great dad. I've not been a very good husband. You know. Those

:03:23. > :03:27.very good husband. You know. Those very good husband. You know. Those

:03:27. > :03:28.things still hurt you now. Lucy, things still hurt you now. Lucy,

:03:28. > :03:28.things still hurt you now. Lucy, things still hurt you now. Lucy,

:03:28. > :03:29.which isn't her real name, was just which isn't her real name, was just

:03:29. > :03:30.which isn't her real name, was just which isn't her real name, was just

:03:30. > :03:31.four years old the first time she four years old the first time she

:03:31. > :03:32.four years old the first time she was sexually abused by a nursery

:03:32. > :03:37.was sexually abused by a nursery was sexually abused by a nursery

:03:37. > :03:37.worker, who should have been worker, who should have been

:03:37. > :03:38.worker, who should have been protecting her. It was literally

:03:38. > :03:42.protecting her. It was literally protecting her. It was literally

:03:42. > :03:43.protecting her. It was literally rape, when I was a very small child.

:03:43. > :03:44.rape, when I was a very small child. rape, when I was a very small child.

:03:44. > :03:45.I remember the conversations going I remember the conversations going

:03:45. > :03:46.I remember the conversations going I remember the conversations going

:03:46. > :03:48.on over my head, and my mother and on over my head, and my mother and

:03:48. > :03:49.on over my head, and my mother and aunt discussing it. And my mum

:03:49. > :03:50.aunt discussing it. And my mum aunt discussing it. And my mum

:03:50. > :03:51.saying she couldn't cope with saying she couldn't cope with

:03:51. > :03:52.saying she couldn't cope with saying she couldn't cope with

:03:52. > :03:53.dealing with it. I was actually in dealing with it. I was actually in

:03:53. > :03:54.dealing with it. I was actually in dealing with it. I was actually in

:03:54. > :03:55.the bath, and I didn't want to sit the bath, and I didn't want to sit

:03:55. > :03:56.the bath, and I didn't want to sit the bath, and I didn't want to sit

:03:56. > :03:57.down in the bath, cos it was so down in the bath, cos it was so

:03:57. > :03:58.down in the bath, cos it was so uncomfortable to actually let the

:03:58. > :03:59.uncomfortable to actually let the water touch me.

:03:59. > :04:00.water touch me. water touch me.

:04:00. > :04:01.Two desperately sad stories, about Two desperately sad stories, about

:04:01. > :04:04.Two desperately sad stories, about a problem the whole nation's become

:04:04. > :04:05.a problem the whole nation's become uncomfortably familiar with.

:04:05. > :04:05.uncomfortably familiar with. uncomfortably familiar with.

:04:05. > :04:06.report investigating more than 50 report investigating more than 50

:04:06. > :04:07.report investigating more than 50 years of allegations against Jimmy

:04:07. > :04:08.years of allegations against Jimmy years of allegations against Jimmy

:04:08. > :04:09.Savile From the Jimmy Savile Savile From the Jimmy Savile

:04:09. > :04:10.Savile From the Jimmy Savile scandal, to the grooming of teenage

:04:10. > :04:11.scandal, to the grooming of teenage scandal, to the grooming of teenage

:04:11. > :04:12.girls by Asian gangs, the media girls by Asian gangs, the media

:04:12. > :04:17.girls by Asian gangs, the media seems full of disturbing cases of

:04:18. > :04:18.seems full of disturbing cases of seems full of disturbing cases of

:04:19. > :04:19.seems full of disturbing cases of child sex abuse. But is this a new

:04:20. > :04:20.child sex abuse. But is this a new child sex abuse. But is this a new

:04:20. > :04:23.problem, or one we've suddenly problem, or one we've suddenly

:04:23. > :04:24.opened our eyes to? opened our eyes to?

:04:24. > :04:25.opened our eyes to? opened our eyes to?

:04:25. > :04:26.We wanted to get an idea of the We wanted to get an idea of the

:04:26. > :04:27.We wanted to get an idea of the We wanted to get an idea of the

:04:27. > :04:28.scale of the problem in our region, scale of the problem in our region,

:04:28. > :04:29.scale of the problem in our region, scale of the problem in our region,

:04:29. > :04:30.so we decided to do a bit of so we decided to do a bit of

:04:30. > :04:31.so we decided to do a bit of research. One national charity says

:04:31. > :04:32.research. One national charity says research. One national charity says

:04:32. > :04:33.it's at its busiest ever, with it's at its busiest ever, with

:04:33. > :04:34.it's at its busiest ever, with calls to its West Midlands helpline

:04:34. > :04:38.calls to its West Midlands helpline calls to its West Midlands helpline

:04:38. > :04:38.nearly doubling in the past five nearly doubling in the past five

:04:38. > :04:39.years. Another, Stoke-based, years. Another, Stoke-based,

:04:39. > :04:40.years. Another, Stoke-based, charity called Savana gave us an

:04:40. > :04:41.charity called Savana gave us an charity called Savana gave us an

:04:41. > :04:46.anonymous database of all its anonymous database of all its

:04:46. > :04:47.anonymous database of all its clients over the past year. We

:04:47. > :04:48.clients over the past year. We clients over the past year. We

:04:48. > :04:49.crunched the numbers, and we found crunched the numbers, and we found

:04:49. > :04:49.crunched the numbers, and we found crunched the numbers, and we found

:04:49. > :04:50.that in that year they received 255 that in that year they received 255

:04:50. > :04:55.that in that year they received 255 new referrals from victims of child

:04:55. > :04:56.new referrals from victims of child new referrals from victims of child

:04:56. > :04:57.sex abuse. Three-quarters said they sex abuse. Three-quarters said they

:04:57. > :04:58.sex abuse. Three-quarters said they were abused by a family member,

:04:58. > :04:59.were abused by a family member, were abused by a family member,

:04:59. > :05:09.more than half didn't report the more than half didn't report the

:05:09. > :05:09.

:05:09. > :05:10.Grooming and childhood sexual abuse Grooming and childhood sexual abuse

:05:10. > :05:12.Grooming and childhood sexual abuse is a bigger problem than people

:05:12. > :05:13.is a bigger problem than people is a bigger problem than people

:05:13. > :05:14.realise. And she should know. realise. And she should know.

:05:14. > :05:15.realise. And she should know. Justine's been working to prevent

:05:15. > :05:18.Justine's been working to prevent childhood sexual exploitation for

:05:19. > :05:20.childhood sexual exploitation for childhood sexual exploitation for

:05:20. > :05:20.six years. It's something that has six years. It's something that has

:05:20. > :05:21.six years. It's something that has had its awareness raised by

:05:21. > :05:22.had its awareness raised by had its awareness raised by

:05:22. > :05:23.releases from the press and releases from the press and

:05:23. > :05:29.releases from the press and storylines, but it's not a young

:05:29. > :05:30.storylines, but it's not a young storylines, but it's not a young

:05:30. > :05:30.problem at all. Savana is a problem at all. Savana is a

:05:30. > :05:31.Staffordshire charity, offering Staffordshire charity, offering

:05:31. > :05:36.Staffordshire charity, offering counselling and support to victims

:05:36. > :05:37.counselling and support to victims counselling and support to victims

:05:37. > :05:38.counselling and support to victims of child sex abuse. It's a very

:05:38. > :05:38.of child sex abuse. It's a very of child sex abuse. It's a very

:05:38. > :05:39.of child sex abuse. It's a very dirty world that we work in, when

:05:40. > :05:40.dirty world that we work in, when dirty world that we work in, when

:05:40. > :05:41.dirty world that we work in, when we work in support services and we

:05:41. > :05:43.we work in support services and we we work in support services and we

:05:43. > :05:44.see the horrible things about see the horrible things about

:05:44. > :05:45.see the horrible things about humanity. Lots of people do not

:05:45. > :05:46.humanity. Lots of people do not humanity. Lots of people do not

:05:46. > :05:47.humanity. Lots of people do not come forward, so for those that we

:05:47. > :05:48.come forward, so for those that we come forward, so for those that we

:05:48. > :05:50.come forward, so for those that we do know about there is a lot of

:05:50. > :05:51.do know about there is a lot of do know about there is a lot of

:05:51. > :05:52.people hidden behind that. people hidden behind that.

:05:52. > :05:54.people hidden behind that. begins with presents and affection,

:05:54. > :05:55.begins with presents and affection, begins with presents and affection,

:05:55. > :05:56.and ends in abuse. We're talking and ends in abuse. We're talking

:05:56. > :06:00.and ends in abuse. We're talking and ends in abuse. We're talking

:06:00. > :06:01.about grooming - a new word for an about grooming - a new word for an

:06:01. > :06:02.about grooming - a new word for an old problem. It's usually Asian

:06:02. > :06:04.old problem. It's usually Asian old problem. It's usually Asian

:06:04. > :06:05.groups that are marketed as the groups that are marketed as the

:06:05. > :06:07.groups that are marketed as the problem here. It goes across the

:06:07. > :06:08.problem here. It goes across the problem here. It goes across the

:06:08. > :06:09.board. It goes completely across board. It goes completely across

:06:09. > :06:10.board. It goes completely across the board. Abusers are abusers,

:06:10. > :06:11.the board. Abusers are abusers, the board. Abusers are abusers,

:06:12. > :06:14.there is no stereotypical person there is no stereotypical person

:06:14. > :06:15.there is no stereotypical person who abuses. They just do it.

:06:15. > :06:15.who abuses. They just do it. who abuses. They just do it.

:06:15. > :06:16.Certain people would offer you Certain people would offer you

:06:16. > :06:17.Certain people would offer you Certain people would offer you

:06:17. > :06:21.things to, you know, get a little things to, you know, get a little

:06:21. > :06:22.things to, you know, get a little something back or something. I look

:06:22. > :06:23.something back or something. I look something back or something. I look

:06:23. > :06:24.something back or something. I look back, and at one point I can

:06:24. > :06:25.back, and at one point I can back, and at one point I can

:06:25. > :06:27.back, and at one point I can remember saying that I felt like a

:06:27. > :06:27.remember saying that I felt like a remember saying that I felt like a

:06:27. > :06:31.prostitute. Because I'd been given prostitute. Because I'd been given

:06:31. > :06:31.prostitute. Because I'd been given prostitute. Because I'd been given

:06:31. > :06:32.money for doing it. And the power money for doing it. And the power

:06:32. > :06:33.money for doing it. And the power to stop it happening ultimately

:06:33. > :06:34.to stop it happening ultimately to stop it happening ultimately

:06:35. > :06:35.comes down to the police. But comes down to the police. But

:06:35. > :06:36.comes down to the police. But remember, our research shows that

:06:36. > :06:37.remember, our research shows that remember, our research shows that

:06:37. > :06:38.remember, our research shows that more than half of the child abuse

:06:38. > :06:39.more than half of the child abuse more than half of the child abuse

:06:39. > :06:41.victims who contacted Savana for victims who contacted Savana for

:06:41. > :06:42.victims who contacted Savana for help, didn't contact the police. So

:06:42. > :06:43.help, didn't contact the police. So help, didn't contact the police. So

:06:43. > :06:45.help, didn't contact the police. So what are they doing about it?

:06:45. > :06:46.what are they doing about it? Staffordshire Police control room.

:06:46. > :06:47.Staffordshire Police control room. Staffordshire Police control room.

:06:47. > :06:49.This is the control room at This is the control room at

:06:49. > :06:50.Staffordshire Police headquarters. Staffordshire Police headquarters.

:06:50. > :06:51.Staffordshire Police headquarters. It's here that staff take calls

:06:51. > :06:57.It's here that staff take calls It's here that staff take calls

:06:57. > :06:59.about reports of child sex abuse. about reports of child sex abuse.

:06:59. > :07:01.about reports of child sex abuse. The information is then passed on

:07:01. > :07:02.The information is then passed on The information is then passed on

:07:02. > :07:03.to the main Child Exploitation team at Stoke.

:07:03. > :07:07.at Stoke. at Stoke.

:07:07. > :07:08.at Stoke. The team is busier than ever.

:07:08. > :07:09.The team is busier than ever. The team is busier than ever.

:07:09. > :07:11.The team is busier than ever. had annually set up team in the

:07:11. > :07:12.had annually set up team in the had annually set up team in the

:07:12. > :07:14.had annually set up team in the summer of last year, and we have

:07:14. > :07:15.summer of last year, and we have summer of last year, and we have

:07:15. > :07:16.recently doubled the resource to recently doubled the resource to

:07:17. > :07:18.recently doubled the resource to respond better to the situation.

:07:18. > :07:22.respond better to the situation. respond better to the situation.

:07:22. > :07:24.Other more cases being reported to Other more cases being reported to

:07:24. > :07:25.Other more cases being reported to Other more cases being reported to

:07:25. > :07:26.you now? Yes, I think there are, you now? Yes, I think there are,

:07:26. > :07:27.you now? Yes, I think there are, but I think that reflects the

:07:27. > :07:29.but I think that reflects the but I think that reflects the

:07:29. > :07:31.degree of confidence that people degree of confidence that people

:07:31. > :07:33.degree of confidence that people have. Two weeks ago this team

:07:33. > :07:34.have. Two weeks ago this team have. Two weeks ago this team

:07:34. > :07:36.have. Two weeks ago this team doubled in size to 14 strong. There

:07:36. > :07:38.doubled in size to 14 strong. There doubled in size to 14 strong. There

:07:38. > :07:39.doubled in size to 14 strong. There is more of a focus on measuring --

:07:39. > :07:42.is more of a focus on measuring -- is more of a focus on measuring --

:07:42. > :07:44.working with other agencies such as working with other agencies such as

:07:44. > :07:45.working with other agencies such as charities. We would always like to

:07:45. > :07:47.charities. We would always like to charities. We would always like to

:07:47. > :07:48.see more offenders prosecuted, but see more offenders prosecuted, but

:07:48. > :07:50.see more offenders prosecuted, but sometimes we are talking about

:07:50. > :07:50.sometimes we are talking about sometimes we are talking about

:07:50. > :07:51.young people and vulnerable adults young people and vulnerable adults

:07:51. > :07:52.young people and vulnerable adults young people and vulnerable adults

:07:52. > :07:55.who find it difficult to give their who find it difficult to give their

:07:55. > :07:56.who find it difficult to give their version of events. This work behind

:07:56. > :07:59.version of events. This work behind version of events. This work behind

:07:59. > :08:00.the scenes is aimed at exposing the scenes is aimed at exposing

:08:00. > :08:02.abuse, typically hidden behind abuse, typically hidden behind

:08:02. > :08:04.abuse, typically hidden behind closed doors, in some cases, for

:08:04. > :08:06.closed doors, in some cases, for closed doors, in some cases, for

:08:06. > :08:09.closed doors, in some cases, for decades. I did not think there was

:08:09. > :08:11.decades. I did not think there was decades. I did not think there was

:08:11. > :08:12.decades. I did not think there was a way forward. At one point I was

:08:12. > :08:13.a way forward. At one point I was a way forward. At one point I was

:08:13. > :08:14.so low, I contemplated suicide so low, I contemplated suicide

:08:14. > :08:15.so low, I contemplated suicide so low, I contemplated suicide

:08:15. > :08:16.because I felt if I could go to because I felt if I could go to

:08:16. > :08:17.because I felt if I could go to because I felt if I could go to

:08:17. > :08:20.sleep and not wake up, I would not sleep and not wake up, I would not

:08:20. > :08:21.sleep and not wake up, I would not have to think about it anymore.

:08:21. > :08:22.have to think about it anymore. have to think about it anymore.

:08:22. > :08:24.have to think about it anymore. There is no real happy ending when

:08:24. > :08:24.There is no real happy ending when There is no real happy ending when

:08:25. > :08:25.There is no real happy ending when it comes to child sex abuse, but

:08:25. > :08:26.it comes to child sex abuse, but it comes to child sex abuse, but

:08:26. > :08:28.it comes to child sex abuse, but the more people who speak out about

:08:28. > :08:29.the more people who speak out about the more people who speak out about

:08:29. > :08:32.the more people who speak out about it, the better chance we have of

:08:32. > :08:33.it, the better chance we have of it, the better chance we have of

:08:33. > :08:35.it, the better chance we have of stopping it. We and I was a little

:08:35. > :08:38.stopping it. We and I was a little stopping it. We and I was a little

:08:38. > :08:39.girl, this was never talked about. girl, this was never talked about.

:08:39. > :08:39.girl, this was never talked about. girl, this was never talked about.

:08:40. > :08:40.girl, this was never talked about. If I knew how better at -- how much

:08:40. > :08:41.If I knew how better at -- how much If I knew how better at -- how much

:08:41. > :08:43.If I knew how better at -- how much better my life would could be, I

:08:43. > :08:44.better my life would could be, I better my life would could be, I

:08:44. > :08:46.would have spoken to somebody would have spoken to somebody

:08:46. > :08:47.would have spoken to somebody would have spoken to somebody

:08:47. > :08:48.sooner. A I have lots of good sooner. A I have lots of good

:08:48. > :08:50.sooner. A I have lots of good sooner. A I have lots of good

:08:50. > :08:51.friends a round now, I feel a lot friends a round now, I feel a lot

:08:51. > :08:52.friends a round now, I feel a lot friends a round now, I feel a lot

:08:52. > :08:54.more free and it has made me feel more free and it has made me feel

:08:54. > :08:56.more free and it has made me feel that I can actually understand what

:08:56. > :08:59.that I can actually understand what that I can actually understand what

:08:59. > :09:00.Steve wants rather than everybody around me.

:09:00. > :09:01.around me. around me.

:09:01. > :09:02.around me. If you'd like to get in touch, you

:09:02. > :09:05.If you'd like to get in touch, you If you'd like to get in touch, you

:09:05. > :09:13.If you'd like to get in touch, you can contact us on Twitter. Or you

:09:13. > :09:14.can contact us on Twitter. Or you can e-mail me direct.

:09:14. > :09:15.can e-mail me direct. can e-mail me direct.

:09:15. > :09:16.Still to come tonight, centenary Still to come tonight, centenary

:09:16. > :09:17.celebrations for Birmingham's Rep celebrations for Birmingham's Rep

:09:17. > :09:22.celebrations for Birmingham's Rep theatre, counting down to a bright

:09:22. > :09:22.new era. new era.

:09:22. > :09:23.new era. Arthur Harris led RAF Bomber

:09:23. > :09:24.Arthur Harris led RAF Bomber Arthur Harris led RAF Bomber

:09:24. > :09:27.Command in World War II, earning Command in World War II, earning

:09:27. > :09:28.Command in World War II, earning him the nickname Bomber Harris.

:09:28. > :09:29.him the nickname Bomber Harris. "Saturation bombing" of German

:09:29. > :09:30."Saturation bombing" of German "Saturation bombing" of German

:09:30. > :09:31.cities like Cologne and Dresden cities like Cologne and Dresden

:09:31. > :09:35.cities like Cologne and Dresden made him a hugely controversial

:09:35. > :09:36.made him a hugely controversial made him a hugely controversial

:09:36. > :09:37.made him a hugely controversial figure. Back in 1977 he gave an

:09:37. > :09:38.figure. Back in 1977 he gave an interview, which has remained

:09:38. > :09:39.interview, which has remained interview, which has remained

:09:39. > :09:48.largely unseen - until tonight. largely unseen - until tonight.

:09:48. > :09:49.Here's Anthony Bartram. Here's Anthony Bartram.

:09:49. > :09:50.Here's Anthony Bartram. We shall never descend to the

:09:50. > :09:51.We shall never descend to the We shall never descend to the

:09:51. > :09:52.German and Japanese level. But if German and Japanese level. But if

:09:52. > :09:55.German and Japanese level. But if German and Japanese level. But if

:09:55. > :10:03.anybody likes to play rough, we can anybody likes to play rough, we can

:10:03. > :10:04.play rough too. play rough too.

:10:04. > :10:06.play rough too. Steamy words fired from cinema

:10:06. > :10:08.Steamy words fired from cinema Steamy words fired from cinema

:10:08. > :10:10.newsreels to weld a nation together newsreels to weld a nation together

:10:10. > :10:11.newsreels to weld a nation together newsreels to weld a nation together

:10:11. > :10:12.in the heat of war. Tonight, we in the heat of war. Tonight, we

:10:12. > :10:18.in the heat of war. Tonight, we in the heat of war. Tonight, we

:10:18. > :10:19.have a rare film to show you. have a rare film to show you.

:10:19. > :10:21.have a rare film to show you. All but forgotten after 35 years

:10:21. > :10:23.All but forgotten after 35 years All but forgotten after 35 years

:10:23. > :10:26.collecting dust in the RAF's collecting dust in the RAF's

:10:26. > :10:27.archive, Professor Tony Mason archive, Professor Tony Mason

:10:27. > :10:30.archive, Professor Tony Mason tracked down and persuaded the

:10:30. > :10:35.tracked down and persuaded the tracked down and persuaded the

:10:35. > :10:36.Ministry of Defence to let them Ministry of Defence to let them

:10:37. > :10:37.Ministry of Defence to let them Ministry of Defence to let them

:10:37. > :10:42.show you are part of history he show you are part of history he

:10:42. > :10:44.played a part in. played a part in.

:10:44. > :10:45.played a part in. In 1977, their sets and newly-

:10:45. > :10:51.In 1977, their sets and newly- In 1977, their sets and newly-

:10:51. > :10:52.promoted Group Captain Tony Mason. promoted Group Captain Tony Mason.

:10:52. > :10:53.promoted Group Captain Tony Mason. promoted Group Captain Tony Mason.

:10:53. > :10:55.Sir Arthur, may I welcome you to Sir Arthur, may I welcome you to

:10:55. > :10:56.Sir Arthur, may I welcome you to the Staff College, and thank you

:10:56. > :10:57.the Staff College, and thank you the Staff College, and thank you

:10:57. > :10:58.the Staff College, and thank you for agreeing to discuss with us the

:10:58. > :11:01.for agreeing to discuss with us the for agreeing to discuss with us the

:11:01. > :11:02.bomber offensive in World War II. bomber offensive in World War II.

:11:02. > :11:05.bomber offensive in World War II. The young officer's orders were to

:11:05. > :11:07.The young officer's orders were to The young officer's orders were to

:11:07. > :11:09.interview him. Jeremy Paxman it was interview him. Jeremy Paxman it was

:11:10. > :11:10.interview him. Jeremy Paxman it was interview him. Jeremy Paxman it was

:11:10. > :11:13.not! I was deferential, I hope I not! I was deferential, I hope I

:11:13. > :11:14.not! I was deferential, I hope I not! I was deferential, I hope I

:11:14. > :11:24.was not overly so -- sycophantic. I was not overly so -- sycophantic. I

:11:24. > :11:26.

:11:26. > :11:27.was very nervous. was very nervous.

:11:27. > :11:32.was very nervous. was very nervous.

:11:32. > :11:33.Let the enemy have it on the chin. Let the enemy have it on the chin.

:11:33. > :11:34.Let the enemy have it on the chin. Arthur Bomber Harris was a key

:11:34. > :11:36.Arthur Bomber Harris was a key Arthur Bomber Harris was a key

:11:36. > :11:38.Arthur Bomber Harris was a key figure of World War II. The RAF

:11:38. > :11:40.figure of World War II. The RAF wanted but lessons learned

:11:40. > :11:44.wanted but lessons learned interview, navigating his wartime

:11:44. > :11:49.interview, navigating his wartime interview, navigating his wartime

:11:49. > :11:50.career directing bombing raids from career directing bombing raids from

:11:50. > :11:52.career directing bombing raids from 1942-1945. He was associated with

:11:52. > :11:53.1942-1945. He was associated with 1942-1945. He was associated with

:11:53. > :11:55.1942-1945. He was associated with what can be told -- called area

:11:55. > :11:56.what can be told -- called area what can be told -- called area

:11:56. > :11:57.bombing, and there was a fair bombing, and there was a fair

:11:57. > :12:00.bombing, and there was a fair population who were not terribly

:12:00. > :12:01.population who were not terribly population who were not terribly

:12:01. > :12:03.happy with the way that Bomber happy with the way that Bomber

:12:03. > :12:06.happy with the way that Bomber Command -- command had targeted

:12:06. > :12:07.Command -- command had targeted Command -- command had targeted

:12:07. > :12:11.cities. That was the target of cities. That was the target of

:12:11. > :12:17.cities. That was the target of Tony's first question. Were you

:12:17. > :12:18.Tony's first question. Were you Tony's first question. Were you

:12:18. > :12:20.given any specific directives? given any specific directives?

:12:20. > :12:21.given any specific directives? given any specific directives?

:12:22. > :12:23.yes. I lived in a shower of yes. I lived in a shower of

:12:23. > :12:27.yes. I lived in a shower of directives, from the day I took

:12:27. > :12:29.directives, from the day I took directives, from the day I took

:12:29. > :12:31.directives, from the day I took over. But the directive when I took

:12:31. > :12:32.over. But the directive when I took over. But the directive when I took

:12:32. > :12:32.over. But the directive when I took over. But the directive when I took

:12:33. > :12:34.over was the one at that I was not over was the one at that I was not

:12:34. > :12:35.over was the one at that I was not to specifically aimed at anything

:12:35. > :12:39.to specifically aimed at anything to specifically aimed at anything

:12:39. > :12:40.to specifically aimed at anything unless ordered to do so, just to

:12:40. > :12:42.unless ordered to do so, just to unless ordered to do so, just to

:12:42. > :12:43.unless ordered to do so, just to blast the German cities as a whole.

:12:43. > :12:44.blast the German cities as a whole. blast the German cities as a whole.

:12:44. > :12:45.blast the German cities as a whole. By Harris shoots than the myth that

:12:45. > :12:47.By Harris shoots than the myth that By Harris shoots than the myth that

:12:47. > :12:49.area bombing was his idea. area bombing was his idea.

:12:49. > :12:52.area bombing was his idea. area bombing was his idea.

:12:52. > :12:53.In fact it was already a Government In fact it was already a Government

:12:53. > :12:55.In fact it was already a Government In fact it was already a Government

:12:55. > :12:56.policy. I felt that the man I was policy. I felt that the man I was

:12:56. > :12:58.policy. I felt that the man I was interviewing, he was older, yes,

:12:58. > :12:59.interviewing, he was older, yes, interviewing, he was older, yes,

:12:59. > :13:01.interviewing, he was older, yes, but he was still that man who had

:13:01. > :13:05.but he was still that man who had but he was still that man who had

:13:05. > :13:06.commanded Bomber Command for those commanded Bomber Command for those

:13:06. > :13:10.commanded Bomber Command for those three years. Hitler and his Nazi

:13:10. > :13:12.three years. Hitler and his Nazi three years. Hitler and his Nazi

:13:12. > :13:13.three years. Hitler and his Nazi gang have slowed -- sowed the wind,

:13:13. > :13:18.gang have slowed -- sowed the wind, gang have slowed -- sowed the wind,

:13:18. > :13:19.gang have slowed -- sowed the wind, met him at reap the whirlwind.

:13:19. > :13:20.met him at reap the whirlwind. met him at reap the whirlwind.

:13:20. > :13:25.began to see the qualities Church began to see the qualities Church

:13:25. > :13:25.began to see the qualities Church began to see the qualities Church

:13:25. > :13:26.Hill valued so highly. The value of Hill valued so highly. The value of

:13:26. > :13:27.Hill valued so highly. The value of Hill valued so highly. The value of

:13:27. > :13:30.the scratchy film it is clear to the scratchy film it is clear to

:13:30. > :13:32.the scratchy film it is clear to war historians as well. Did you

:13:32. > :13:33.war historians as well. Did you war historians as well. Did you

:13:33. > :13:35.feel free to ask harass the feel free to ask harass the

:13:35. > :13:36.feel free to ask harass the feel free to ask harass the

:13:36. > :13:40.questions you wanted to ask, or did questions you wanted to ask, or did

:13:40. > :13:41.you feel constrained? you feel constrained?

:13:42. > :13:44.you feel constrained? Academic still ask questions about

:13:44. > :13:45.Academic still ask questions about Academic still ask questions about

:13:45. > :13:47.Harris, but few got answers from Harris, but few got answers from

:13:47. > :13:50.Harris, but few got answers from Harris, but few got answers from

:13:50. > :13:50.the man himself. Be it is not done the man himself. Be it is not done

:13:50. > :13:52.the man himself. Be it is not done immediately after the Second World

:13:52. > :13:53.immediately after the Second World immediately after the Second World

:13:53. > :13:55.immediately after the Second World War, it is done after a time when

:13:55. > :13:56.War, it is done after a time when War, it is done after a time when

:13:56. > :13:57.there have already been several there have already been several

:13:58. > :13:58.waves of interpretation about waves of interpretation about

:13:58. > :14:00.waves of interpretation about Bomber Command, so one not only

:14:00. > :14:01.Bomber Command, so one not only Bomber Command, so one not only

:14:01. > :14:05.gets his memories which does still gets his memories which does still

:14:05. > :14:06.gets his memories which does still clearly quite fresh, but also his

:14:06. > :14:08.clearly quite fresh, but also his commentary on those different

:14:08. > :14:09.commentary on those different commentary on those different

:14:09. > :14:16.interpretations. It is a very interpretations. It is a very

:14:16. > :14:17.complex multi-layered interview. complex multi-layered interview.

:14:17. > :14:20.complex multi-layered interview. He had witnessed the blitz of

:14:20. > :14:20.He had witnessed the blitz of He had witnessed the blitz of

:14:20. > :14:24.British cities, but the interviews British cities, but the interviews

:14:24. > :14:25.British cities, but the interviews British cities, but the interviews

:14:25. > :14:28.shows that Harris was arm barred. - shows that Harris was arm barred. -

:14:28. > :14:29.shows that Harris was arm barred. - shows that Harris was arm barred. -

:14:29. > :14:31.- and bowed. I remember the night - and bowed. I remember the night

:14:31. > :14:32.- and bowed. I remember the night Guelph. You could see St Paul's

:14:32. > :14:37.Guelph. You could see St Paul's Guelph. You could see St Paul's

:14:37. > :14:38.standing out amongst the flames. I standing out amongst the flames. I

:14:38. > :14:40.standing out amongst the flames. I standing out amongst the flames. I

:14:40. > :14:41.said then, they are sowing the wind, said then, they are sowing the wind,

:14:41. > :14:46.said then, they are sowing the wind, and they will reap the whirlwind.

:14:46. > :14:55.and they will reap the whirlwind. and they will reap the whirlwind.

:14:55. > :14:56.And they certainly dead. -- they So why was the bomber chief ordered

:14:56. > :14:57.So why was the bomber chief ordered So why was the bomber chief ordered

:14:57. > :14:58.to blast whole cities rather than to blast whole cities rather than

:14:58. > :14:59.to blast whole cities rather than specific Nazi targets? Tony was

:14:59. > :15:00.specific Nazi targets? Tony was specific Nazi targets? Tony was

:15:00. > :15:01.able to find out. They weren't able to find out. They weren't

:15:01. > :15:02.able to find out. They weren't hitting very much, and they

:15:02. > :15:03.hitting very much, and they hitting very much, and they

:15:03. > :15:04.certainly hadn't got very much to certainly hadn't got very much to

:15:04. > :15:05.certainly hadn't got very much to hit things with. Harris also spoke

:15:05. > :15:06.hit things with. Harris also spoke hit things with. Harris also spoke

:15:06. > :15:07.of how vulnerable his bomber boys of how vulnerable his bomber boys

:15:07. > :15:12.of how vulnerable his bomber boys were against the cannons of enemy

:15:12. > :15:13.were against the cannons of enemy were against the cannons of enemy

:15:13. > :15:14.fighters. Of course, the main fighters. Of course, the main

:15:14. > :15:15.failure which existed almost failure which existed almost

:15:15. > :15:16.failure which existed almost throughout the war was the

:15:16. > :15:17.throughout the war was the throughout the war was the

:15:17. > :15:18.miserable armament they had. The miserable armament they had. The

:15:18. > :15:19.miserable armament they had. The miserable armament they had. The

:15:19. > :15:20.303 bullet was about as much good 303 bullet was about as much good

:15:20. > :15:21.303 bullet was about as much good against a modern fighter, or not

:15:21. > :15:22.against a modern fighter, or not against a modern fighter, or not

:15:22. > :15:31.much better, than using a pea- much better, than using a pea-

:15:31. > :15:33.Harris soon replaced pea-shooters Harris soon replaced pea-shooters

:15:33. > :15:34.Harris soon replaced pea-shooters with hundreds of heavy bombers.

:15:34. > :15:37.with hundreds of heavy bombers. with hundreds of heavy bombers.

:15:37. > :15:38.Night after night, they rolled out. Night after night, they rolled out.

:15:38. > :15:41.Night after night, they rolled out. The missions cost 55,500 British

:15:41. > :15:42.The missions cost 55,500 British The missions cost 55,500 British

:15:42. > :15:43.airmen their lives. One question airmen their lives. One question

:15:43. > :15:44.airmen their lives. One question airmen their lives. One question

:15:44. > :15:45.above all had to be asked, and above all had to be asked, and

:15:45. > :15:46.above all had to be asked, and Harris didn't duck the subject, of

:15:46. > :15:54.Harris didn't duck the subject, of Harris didn't duck the subject, of

:15:54. > :16:02.Harris didn't duck the subject, of what many regard as a city too far.

:16:02. > :16:03.what many regard as a city too far. About half a million people died in

:16:03. > :16:04.About half a million people died in About half a million people died in

:16:04. > :16:07.the British and American air raids the British and American air raids

:16:07. > :16:08.the British and American air raids on German cities, 25,000 in Dresden.

:16:08. > :16:09.on German cities, 25,000 in Dresden. on German cities, 25,000 in Dresden.

:16:09. > :16:09.Critics say Harris hit civilians Critics say Harris hit civilians

:16:09. > :16:14.Critics say Harris hit civilians harder than Hitler's war machine,

:16:14. > :16:15.harder than Hitler's war machine, harder than Hitler's war machine,

:16:15. > :16:16.but he disagreed. The bombers kept but he disagreed. The bombers kept

:16:16. > :16:16.but he disagreed. The bombers kept but he disagreed. The bombers kept

:16:16. > :16:17.well over a million fit Germans out well over a million fit Germans out

:16:18. > :16:20.well over a million fit Germans out well over a million fit Germans out

:16:20. > :16:21.of the German army because of the of the German army because of the

:16:21. > :16:22.bombing. Manning the anti-aircraft bombing. Manning the anti-aircraft

:16:22. > :16:32.defences, making the ammunition, defences, making the ammunition,

:16:32. > :16:33.

:16:33. > :16:34.and doing urgent repairs, The attack on Dresden disfigured

:16:34. > :16:43.The attack on Dresden disfigured Bomber Command's fantastic three

:16:43. > :16:44.Bomber Command's fantastic three Bomber Command's fantastic three

:16:44. > :16:45.years of contribution. There is no years of contribution. There is no

:16:45. > :16:46.years of contribution. There is no explanation of why Dresden had been

:16:46. > :16:49.explanation of why Dresden had been explanation of why Dresden had been

:16:49. > :16:50.explanation of why Dresden had been mounted in the first place. So that

:16:50. > :16:51.mounted in the first place. So that mounted in the first place. So that

:16:51. > :16:56.mounted in the first place. So that is what I'm trying to get behind -

:16:56. > :16:57.is what I'm trying to get behind - is what I'm trying to get behind -

:16:57. > :16:58.why Dresden? And Harris clarified why Dresden? And Harris clarified

:16:58. > :16:59.why Dresden? And Harris clarified that Dresden was one of three

:16:59. > :17:00.that Dresden was one of three that Dresden was one of three

:17:00. > :17:01.that Dresden was one of three cities he was ordered to destroy to

:17:01. > :17:06.cities he was ordered to destroy to cities he was ordered to destroy to

:17:06. > :17:07.help the Russian assault on Germany. help the Russian assault on Germany.

:17:07. > :17:08.help the Russian assault on Germany. The great thing about this

:17:08. > :17:10.The great thing about this The great thing about this

:17:10. > :17:11.particular interview is its length. particular interview is its length.

:17:11. > :17:12.particular interview is its length. The subject clearly settles down,

:17:12. > :17:14.The subject clearly settles down, The subject clearly settles down,

:17:14. > :17:15.The subject clearly settles down, you get a sense of the emotion. You

:17:15. > :17:16.you get a sense of the emotion. You you get a sense of the emotion. You

:17:16. > :17:17.you get a sense of the emotion. You get a sense of the real person -

:17:17. > :17:18.get a sense of the real person - get a sense of the real person -

:17:18. > :17:21.this isn't just a few questions this isn't just a few questions

:17:21. > :17:22.this isn't just a few questions fired during a news interview. This

:17:22. > :17:23.fired during a news interview. This fired during a news interview. This

:17:23. > :17:24.is an in-depth interview in which is an in-depth interview in which

:17:24. > :17:27.is an in-depth interview in which is an in-depth interview in which

:17:27. > :17:28.you get a flavour of the whole you get a flavour of the whole

:17:28. > :17:29.you get a flavour of the whole person. I thought many times since

:17:29. > :17:29.person. I thought many times since person. I thought many times since

:17:29. > :17:31.person. I thought many times since I interviewed him - what was my

:17:31. > :17:32.I interviewed him - what was my I interviewed him - what was my

:17:32. > :17:35.summary of the man? Did that summary of the man? Did that

:17:35. > :17:37.summary of the man? Did that summary of the man? Did that

:17:37. > :17:38.interview change my view of him? It interview change my view of him? It

:17:38. > :17:38.interview change my view of him? It interview change my view of him? It

:17:38. > :17:41.did. Ruthless in the pursuit of an did. Ruthless in the pursuit of an

:17:41. > :17:42.objective, utterly ruthless. objective, utterly ruthless.

:17:42. > :17:43.objective, utterly ruthless. Primary concern is the interest of

:17:43. > :17:44.Primary concern is the interest of Primary concern is the interest of

:17:44. > :17:45.Britain, aware as he said, reaping Britain, aware as he said, reaping

:17:45. > :17:46.Britain, aware as he said, reaping Britain, aware as he said, reaping

:17:46. > :17:47.the whirlwind - but the novelty to the whirlwind - but the novelty to

:17:47. > :17:48.the whirlwind - but the novelty to the whirlwind - but the novelty to

:17:48. > :17:48.me was beneath that there was an me was beneath that there was an

:17:48. > :17:49.me was beneath that there was an awareness of tragedy, an awareness

:17:49. > :17:58.awareness of tragedy, an awareness awareness of tragedy, an awareness

:17:58. > :17:58.of what damage he had inflicted. of what damage he had inflicted.

:17:58. > :17:59.of what damage he had inflicted. And there was enormous sensitivity

:17:59. > :18:00.And there was enormous sensitivity And there was enormous sensitivity

:18:00. > :18:10.about the lives which he had about the lives which he had

:18:10. > :18:13.

:18:13. > :18:14.Harris's recall and resolve were on Harris's recall and resolve were on

:18:14. > :18:15.Harris's recall and resolve were on show throughout the 90 minute

:18:15. > :18:19.show throughout the 90 minute show throughout the 90 minute

:18:19. > :18:20.interview, but regret was not. interview, but regret was not.

:18:20. > :18:21.interview, but regret was not. interview, but regret was not.

:18:21. > :18:24.you had the time over again, would you had the time over again, would

:18:24. > :18:25.you had the time over again, would you do anything differently? If I

:18:25. > :18:25.you do anything differently? If I you do anything differently? If I

:18:25. > :18:26.you do anything differently? If I had the same time over again, I

:18:26. > :18:30.had the same time over again, I had the same time over again, I

:18:30. > :18:31.had the same time over again, I would do the same thing. But I

:18:31. > :18:32.would do the same thing. But I would do the same thing. But I

:18:32. > :18:39.would do the same thing. But I would always hope not to have the

:18:39. > :18:40.would always hope not to have the I thought that response was

:18:40. > :18:41.I thought that response was I thought that response was

:18:41. > :18:42.astonishing. I have to say, I astonishing. I have to say, I

:18:42. > :18:43.astonishing. I have to say, I astonishing. I have to say, I

:18:43. > :18:44.didn't expect him to say he would didn't expect him to say he would

:18:44. > :18:45.do anything differently because do anything differently because

:18:45. > :18:46.do anything differently because do anything differently because

:18:46. > :18:47.Harris is not that kind of man. Harris is not that kind of man.

:18:47. > :18:55.Harris is not that kind of man. What I liked particularly was his

:18:55. > :18:56.I hope it's of some value to future I hope it's of some value to future

:18:56. > :18:57.I hope it's of some value to future generations. Even if it only helps

:18:57. > :18:58.generations. Even if it only helps generations. Even if it only helps

:18:58. > :18:59.generations. Even if it only helps keep them keep out of these sort of

:18:59. > :19:01.keep them keep out of these sort of keep them keep out of these sort of

:19:01. > :19:02.keep them keep out of these sort of riots. I hope so, too.They never

:19:02. > :19:11.riots. I hope so, too.They never riots. I hope so, too.They never

:19:11. > :19:12.riots. I hope so, too.They never Actors such as Laurence Olivier and

:19:12. > :19:12.Actors such as Laurence Olivier and Actors such as Laurence Olivier and

:19:12. > :19:13.Ralph Richardson have performed at Ralph Richardson have performed at

:19:13. > :19:14.Ralph Richardson have performed at Birmingham Rep, but for the last

:19:14. > :19:15.Birmingham Rep, but for the last two-and-a-half years the theatre

:19:15. > :19:16.two-and-a-half years the theatre two-and-a-half years the theatre

:19:16. > :19:21.two-and-a-half years the theatre has been without a home due to a

:19:21. > :19:22.has been without a home due to a multi-million pound development.

:19:22. > :19:23.multi-million pound development. multi-million pound development.

:19:23. > :19:26.Now, as it celebrates its centenary, Now, as it celebrates its centenary,

:19:26. > :19:27.Now, as it celebrates its centenary, the Rep is coming home. BBC

:19:27. > :19:33.the Rep is coming home. BBC Coventry and Warwickshire's Phil

:19:33. > :19:34.Coventry and Warwickshire's Phil Work on the Rep on Birmingham's

:19:34. > :19:35.Work on the Rep on Birmingham's Work on the Rep on Birmingham's

:19:35. > :19:37.Broad Street has been underway for Broad Street has been underway for

:19:37. > :19:38.Broad Street has been underway for two years now. And with a

:19:38. > :19:39.two years now. And with a two years now. And with a

:19:39. > :19:40.completion date in sight, I am completion date in sight, I am

:19:40. > :19:43.completion date in sight, I am completion date in sight, I am

:19:43. > :19:44.being allowed to take a look behind being allowed to take a look behind

:19:44. > :19:45.being allowed to take a look behind the scenes. The �188 million scheme

:19:45. > :19:45.the scenes. The �188 million scheme the scenes. The �188 million scheme

:19:45. > :19:48.the scenes. The �188 million scheme will connect the Rep to the new

:19:48. > :19:49.will connect the Rep to the new will connect the Rep to the new

:19:49. > :19:50.Birmingham Library next door. Like Birmingham Library next door. Like

:19:50. > :19:51.Birmingham Library next door. Like with any construction site, you've

:19:51. > :19:53.with any construction site, you've with any construction site, you've

:19:53. > :19:54.with any construction site, you've got to have the right gear. So,

:19:54. > :19:55.got to have the right gear. So, got to have the right gear. So,

:19:55. > :19:56.got to have the right gear. So, I've got shoes, the jacket, the hat,

:19:56. > :19:56.I've got shoes, the jacket, the hat, I've got shoes, the jacket, the hat,

:19:56. > :19:57.I've got shoes, the jacket, the hat, got the glasses, I have never been

:19:57. > :19:58.got the glasses, I have never been got the glasses, I have never been

:19:58. > :20:04.got the glasses, I have never been on a building site of the sort of

:20:04. > :20:07.on a building site of the sort of on a building site of the sort of

:20:07. > :20:15.scale before. How many people work scale before. How many people work

:20:15. > :20:16.This is a big year for the Rep. This is a big year for the Rep.

:20:16. > :20:17.This is a big year for the Rep. Aside from the new building, the

:20:17. > :20:18.Aside from the new building, the Theatre celebrates its 100th

:20:18. > :20:19.Theatre celebrates its 100th Theatre celebrates its 100th

:20:19. > :20:20.birthday this week, and it's the birthday this week, and it's the

:20:20. > :20:23.birthday this week, and it's the finishing touches that matter now

:20:23. > :20:24.finishing touches that matter now finishing touches that matter now

:20:24. > :20:25.finishing touches that matter now in the Rep revamp. This might not

:20:25. > :20:26.in the Rep revamp. This might not look particularly exciting, these

:20:26. > :20:27.look particularly exciting, these look particularly exciting, these

:20:27. > :20:30.look particularly exciting, these doors, but for me they mark the

:20:30. > :20:31.doors, but for me they mark the doors, but for me they mark the

:20:31. > :20:32.beginning of the end. Once the beginning of the end. Once the

:20:32. > :20:33.beginning of the end. Once the doors start going in, you know

:20:33. > :20:34.doors start going in, you know doors start going in, you know

:20:34. > :20:37.doors start going in, you know you're almost at the end of the

:20:37. > :20:38.you're almost at the end of the you're almost at the end of the

:20:38. > :20:43.project. They might look a bit project. They might look a bit

:20:43. > :20:44.project. They might look a bit strange but it's all good news.

:20:44. > :20:45.strange but it's all good news. strange but it's all good news.

:20:45. > :20:46.strange but it's all good news. Most of the building is getting a

:20:46. > :20:46.Most of the building is getting a Most of the building is getting a

:20:46. > :20:48.facelift. But some parts will facelift. But some parts will

:20:48. > :20:50.facelift. But some parts will remain the same. The main

:20:50. > :20:51.remain the same. The main remain the same. The main

:20:51. > :20:54.auditorium is being preserved. The auditorium is being preserved. The

:20:54. > :20:55.auditorium is being preserved. The old will sit alongside the new.

:20:55. > :20:56.old will sit alongside the new. old will sit alongside the new.

:20:56. > :20:57.This is the new studio theatre This is the new studio theatre

:20:57. > :20:58.This is the new studio theatre which is a shared facility between

:20:58. > :21:01.which is a shared facility between which is a shared facility between

:21:01. > :21:02.which is a shared facility between the library and the theatre. A very

:21:02. > :21:02.the library and the theatre. A very the library and the theatre. A very

:21:02. > :21:03.important part of the development important part of the development

:21:03. > :21:04.important part of the development for us, because we've always wanted

:21:04. > :21:05.for us, because we've always wanted for us, because we've always wanted

:21:05. > :21:06.for us, because we've always wanted a 300 seat space that allows us to

:21:06. > :21:07.a 300 seat space that allows us to a 300 seat space that allows us to

:21:07. > :21:08.produce work of a different scale produce work of a different scale

:21:08. > :21:12.produce work of a different scale produce work of a different scale

:21:12. > :21:13.to the main house and the current to the main house and the current

:21:13. > :21:14.to the main house and the current studio. So we are really excited

:21:14. > :21:17.studio. So we are really excited studio. So we are really excited

:21:17. > :21:18.about this particular part of the about this particular part of the

:21:18. > :21:19.about this particular part of the development. Has it been difficult

:21:19. > :21:20.development. Has it been difficult development. Has it been difficult

:21:20. > :21:21.for you to plan your hundredth for you to plan your hundredth

:21:21. > :21:23.anniversary when you're not anniversary when you're not

:21:23. > :21:25.anniversary when you're not actually in the building? We are

:21:25. > :21:26.actually in the building? We are actually in the building? We are

:21:26. > :21:27.actually in the building? We are ready to come home. We have really

:21:27. > :21:28.ready to come home. We have really ready to come home. We have really

:21:28. > :21:29.enjoyed our time out of the enjoyed our time out of the

:21:29. > :21:30.enjoyed our time out of the building, it's been exciting, but

:21:30. > :21:31.building, it's been exciting, but building, it's been exciting, but

:21:31. > :21:32.we are looking forward to getting we are looking forward to getting

:21:32. > :21:33.we are looking forward to getting back in the building, revving up,

:21:33. > :21:34.back in the building, revving up, back in the building, revving up,

:21:34. > :21:44.bringing the audiences back in and bringing the audiences back in and

:21:44. > :21:44.

:21:44. > :21:45.Backstage, rehearsals for the Backstage, rehearsals for the

:21:45. > :21:46.Backstage, rehearsals for the Backstage, rehearsals for the

:21:46. > :21:47.production Aye What A Rat are in production Aye What A Rat are in

:21:47. > :21:48.production Aye What A Rat are in full flow and the wardrobe

:21:48. > :21:49.full flow and the wardrobe full flow and the wardrobe

:21:49. > :21:51.department are working flat out, department are working flat out,

:21:51. > :21:52.hand-finishing the ornate costumes. hand-finishing the ornate costumes.

:21:52. > :21:53.hand-finishing the ornate costumes. But despite the focus being heavily

:21:53. > :21:54.But despite the focus being heavily But despite the focus being heavily

:21:54. > :21:55.But despite the focus being heavily on the future, there is still time

:21:55. > :21:56.on the future, there is still time on the future, there is still time

:21:56. > :21:57.on the future, there is still time to look back over 100 years, and

:21:57. > :21:58.to look back over 100 years, and to look back over 100 years, and

:21:58. > :21:59.to look back over 100 years, and find out a bit more about the Rep's

:21:59. > :22:04.find out a bit more about the Rep's legendary founder, Sir Barry

:22:04. > :22:05.legendary founder, Sir Barry legendary founder, Sir Barry

:22:05. > :22:06.Jackson. I've come to Birmingham Jackson. I've come to Birmingham

:22:06. > :22:09.Jackson. I've come to Birmingham Jackson. I've come to Birmingham

:22:09. > :22:10.Museum and Art Gallery to find out Museum and Art Gallery to find out

:22:10. > :22:12.Museum and Art Gallery to find out more. So here's the man himself,

:22:12. > :22:13.more. So here's the man himself, more. So here's the man himself,

:22:13. > :22:14.more. So here's the man himself, Barry Jackson. Who was he, how did

:22:14. > :22:15.Barry Jackson. Who was he, how did Barry Jackson. Who was he, how did

:22:15. > :22:16.he come to start the Birmingham he come to start the Birmingham

:22:16. > :22:17.he come to start the Birmingham Rep? He came from a wealthy

:22:17. > :22:17.Rep? He came from a wealthy Rep? He came from a wealthy

:22:17. > :22:18.Birmingham family which had a Birmingham family which had a

:22:18. > :22:19.tradition of amateur theatre tradition of amateur theatre

:22:19. > :22:20.tradition of amateur theatre theatricals, but he also went to

:22:20. > :22:21.theatricals, but he also went to theatricals, but he also went to

:22:21. > :22:22.the theatre, was taken to the the theatre, was taken to the

:22:22. > :22:25.the theatre, was taken to the the theatre, was taken to the

:22:25. > :22:26.theatre, so he came out of a rich theatre, so he came out of a rich

:22:26. > :22:27.theatre, so he came out of a rich theatre, so he came out of a rich

:22:27. > :22:30.background. How did he come to form background. How did he come to form

:22:31. > :22:31.background. How did he come to form background. How did he come to form

:22:31. > :22:32.the Birmingham Rep? It's part of a the Birmingham Rep? It's part of a

:22:32. > :22:33.the Birmingham Rep? It's part of a the Birmingham Rep? It's part of a

:22:33. > :22:34.movement that gets going at the end movement that gets going at the end

:22:34. > :22:35.movement that gets going at the end movement that gets going at the end

:22:35. > :22:36.of the 19th century into the 20th of the 19th century into the 20th

:22:36. > :22:37.century, pockets of ambitious century, pockets of ambitious

:22:37. > :22:38.theatre radicals, people like theatre radicals, people like

:22:38. > :22:44.theatre radicals, people like Bernard Shaw, or Yeats, over in

:22:44. > :22:44.Bernard Shaw, or Yeats, over in Bernard Shaw, or Yeats, over in

:22:44. > :22:48.Dublin. Who are interested in Dublin. Who are interested in

:22:48. > :22:48.Dublin. Who are interested in Dublin. Who are interested in

:22:48. > :22:49.theatre that is good for you. theatre that is good for you.

:22:49. > :22:50.theatre that is good for you. shared his vision for great theatre

:22:50. > :22:54.shared his vision for great theatre shared his vision for great theatre

:22:54. > :22:55.shared his vision for great theatre with the BBC in the 1930s.

:22:55. > :22:56.with the BBC in the 1930s. with the BBC in the 1930s.

:22:56. > :22:58.with the BBC in the 1930s. there are two ways of telling a

:22:58. > :22:59.there are two ways of telling a there are two ways of telling a

:22:59. > :23:00.there are two ways of telling a story. One is to repeat the same

:23:00. > :23:03.story. One is to repeat the same story. One is to repeat the same

:23:03. > :23:04.story. One is to repeat the same story over and over and over again.

:23:04. > :23:05.story over and over and over again. story over and over and over again.

:23:05. > :23:05.The second method is to tell The second method is to tell

:23:06. > :23:09.The second method is to tell different stories to the same

:23:09. > :23:10.different stories to the same different stories to the same

:23:10. > :23:11.audience. The first method of audience. The first method of

:23:11. > :23:13.audience. The first method of storytelling appears to me to be

:23:13. > :23:14.storytelling appears to me to be storytelling appears to me to be

:23:14. > :23:18.both tedious and dull. The second, both tedious and dull. The second,

:23:18. > :23:19.both tedious and dull. The second, lively and entertaining. And it is

:23:19. > :23:22.lively and entertaining. And it is lively and entertaining. And it is

:23:22. > :23:23.to the latter that the word to the latter that the word

:23:23. > :23:24.repertory applies. Sir Barry repertory applies. Sir Barry

:23:24. > :23:24.repertory applies. Sir Barry repertory applies. Sir Barry

:23:25. > :23:25.clearly had a huge passion for the clearly had a huge passion for the

:23:26. > :23:26.clearly had a huge passion for the theatre but it was hard work

:23:27. > :23:28.theatre but it was hard work theatre but it was hard work

:23:28. > :23:29.getting Brummies through the doors. getting Brummies through the doors.

:23:29. > :23:30.getting Brummies through the doors. The City Council took financial

:23:30. > :23:30.The City Council took financial The City Council took financial

:23:30. > :23:31.The City Council took financial control in 1935, but by that stage,

:23:31. > :23:32.control in 1935, but by that stage, control in 1935, but by that stage,

:23:33. > :23:40.control in 1935, but by that stage, the Rep had cost Sir Barry tens of

:23:40. > :23:41.the Rep had cost Sir Barry tens of the Rep had cost Sir Barry tens of

:23:41. > :23:42.thousands of pounds. What would he thousands of pounds. What would he

:23:42. > :23:43.thousands of pounds. What would he thousands of pounds. What would he

:23:43. > :23:44.make of the changes and the new make of the changes and the new

:23:44. > :23:45.make of the changes and the new repertory theatre as it is 100

:23:45. > :23:46.repertory theatre as it is 100 repertory theatre as it is 100

:23:46. > :23:47.repertory theatre as it is 100 years on? I think on balance, he

:23:47. > :23:48.years on? I think on balance, he years on? I think on balance, he

:23:48. > :23:49.years on? I think on balance, he would look at what's been done and

:23:49. > :23:50.would look at what's been done and would look at what's been done and

:23:50. > :23:53.would look at what's been done and what's been achieved and I think he

:23:53. > :23:54.what's been achieved and I think he what's been achieved and I think he

:23:54. > :23:54.would be very pleased. The large- would be very pleased. The large-

:23:55. > :23:55.would be very pleased. The large- scale building work is breathing

:23:55. > :23:56.scale building work is breathing scale building work is breathing

:23:56. > :23:57.scale building work is breathing new life into the theatre. But as

:23:57. > :23:58.new life into the theatre. But as new life into the theatre. But as

:23:58. > :24:01.new life into the theatre. But as little as 44 years ago, none of

:24:01. > :24:01.little as 44 years ago, none of little as 44 years ago, none of

:24:02. > :24:02.little as 44 years ago, none of this was even here. We found this

:24:02. > :24:03.this was even here. We found this this was even here. We found this

:24:03. > :24:04.archive footage from 1969 of the archive footage from 1969 of the

:24:04. > :24:09.archive footage from 1969 of the then-Lord Mayor starting work right

:24:09. > :24:10.then-Lord Mayor starting work right then-Lord Mayor starting work right

:24:10. > :24:11.here on Broad Street. The theatre here on Broad Street. The theatre

:24:11. > :24:12.here on Broad Street. The theatre here on Broad Street. The theatre

:24:12. > :24:13.has come a long way since then, but has come a long way since then, but

:24:13. > :24:16.has come a long way since then, but this was never the Rep's original

:24:16. > :24:17.this was never the Rep's original this was never the Rep's original

:24:17. > :24:27.home. In fact, it all started home. In fact, it all started

:24:27. > :24:29.

:24:29. > :24:30.home. In fact, it all started Less than a mile away, it was here

:24:30. > :24:31.Less than a mile away, it was here Less than a mile away, it was here

:24:31. > :24:32.Less than a mile away, it was here at the old Rep that Barry Jackson

:24:32. > :24:32.at the old Rep that Barry Jackson at the old Rep that Barry Jackson

:24:32. > :24:33.opened his ambitious new theatre, opened his ambitious new theatre,

:24:33. > :24:34.opened his ambitious new theatre, and perhaps rightly so, this will

:24:34. > :24:39.and perhaps rightly so, this will and perhaps rightly so, this will

:24:39. > :24:40.be the stage for its 100th be the stage for its 100th

:24:40. > :24:41.be the stage for its 100th anniversary. Over the years the

:24:41. > :24:42.anniversary. Over the years the anniversary. Over the years the

:24:42. > :24:43.theatre has touched the lives of theatre has touched the lives of

:24:43. > :24:45.theatre has touched the lives of many people, like local playwright

:24:45. > :24:46.many people, like local playwright many people, like local playwright

:24:47. > :24:49.and writer David Edgar. What's your and writer David Edgar. What's your

:24:49. > :24:50.and writer David Edgar. What's your earliest memory of the Rep theatre?

:24:50. > :24:51.earliest memory of the Rep theatre? earliest memory of the Rep theatre?

:24:51. > :24:52.earliest memory of the Rep theatre? I came here when I was three and

:24:52. > :24:53.I came here when I was three and I came here when I was three and

:24:53. > :24:54.three-quarter years old, and I three-quarter years old, and I

:24:54. > :24:55.three-quarter years old, and I remember Beauty And the Beast

:24:55. > :25:00.remember Beauty And the Beast remember Beauty And the Beast

:25:00. > :25:01.Christmas show - screamed the place Christmas show - screamed the place

:25:01. > :25:02.Christmas show - screamed the place down! But then I gradually learnt

:25:02. > :25:03.down! But then I gradually learnt down! But then I gradually learnt

:25:03. > :25:04.down! But then I gradually learnt it was all pretend and I met actors,

:25:04. > :25:05.it was all pretend and I met actors, it was all pretend and I met actors,

:25:05. > :25:08.was taken backstage to meet them was taken backstage to meet them

:25:08. > :25:09.was taken backstage to meet them and so on, very exciting. That

:25:09. > :25:10.and so on, very exciting. That and so on, very exciting. That

:25:10. > :25:11.fired my inspiration for theatre, fired my inspiration for theatre,

:25:11. > :25:12.fired my inspiration for theatre, fired my inspiration for theatre,

:25:12. > :25:13.first thinking I'd love to be an first thinking I'd love to be an

:25:13. > :25:14.first thinking I'd love to be an actor, realising I wasn't very good

:25:14. > :25:18.actor, realising I wasn't very good actor, realising I wasn't very good

:25:18. > :25:19.actor, realising I wasn't very good at that so I became a writer.

:25:19. > :25:20.at that so I became a writer. at that so I became a writer.

:25:20. > :25:23.how did your professional career how did your professional career

:25:23. > :25:24.how did your professional career how did your professional career

:25:24. > :25:25.start at the Rep? When the new Rep start at the Rep? When the new Rep

:25:25. > :25:26.start at the Rep? When the new Rep opened, it had a studio theatre,

:25:26. > :25:27.opened, it had a studio theatre, opened, it had a studio theatre,

:25:27. > :25:28.opened, it had a studio theatre, that was to do new plays, which had

:25:28. > :25:28.that was to do new plays, which had that was to do new plays, which had

:25:29. > :25:30.that was to do new plays, which had been a tradition before the war but

:25:30. > :25:30.been a tradition before the war but been a tradition before the war but

:25:30. > :25:35.became an important part of what became an important part of what

:25:35. > :25:36.became an important part of what became an important part of what

:25:36. > :25:37.the new Rep was doing. I was the the new Rep was doing. I was the

:25:37. > :25:37.the new Rep was doing. I was the the new Rep was doing. I was the

:25:38. > :25:39.first original new play to be done first original new play to be done

:25:39. > :25:40.first original new play to be done in the studio theatre, and other

:25:40. > :25:40.in the studio theatre, and other in the studio theatre, and other

:25:40. > :25:41.new place through the Seventies, new place through the Seventies,

:25:41. > :25:45.new place through the Seventies, new place through the Seventies,

:25:45. > :25:46.then I graduated to the main house. then I graduated to the main house.

:25:46. > :25:47.then I graduated to the main house. then I graduated to the main house.

:25:47. > :25:48.then I graduated to the main house. It is not just the stage of the old

:25:48. > :25:58.It is not just the stage of the old It is not just the stage of the old

:25:58. > :26:01.

:26:01. > :26:02.It is not just the stage of the old And here it is. The steps!I

:26:02. > :26:03.And here it is. The steps!I And here it is. The steps!I

:26:03. > :26:06.literally owe the Birmingham Rep literally owe the Birmingham Rep

:26:06. > :26:07.literally owe the Birmingham Rep everything, my parents met here. My

:26:07. > :26:08.everything, my parents met here. My everything, my parents met here. My

:26:08. > :26:09.mother was an acting student, my mother was an acting student, my

:26:09. > :26:10.mother was an acting student, my father was an actor and stage

:26:10. > :26:11.father was an actor and stage father was an actor and stage

:26:11. > :26:12.father was an actor and stage manager, he came down the steps and

:26:12. > :26:16.manager, he came down the steps and manager, he came down the steps and

:26:16. > :26:17.by family legend said, "you're by family legend said, "you're

:26:17. > :26:18.by family legend said, "you're late". Then they acted together for

:26:18. > :26:19.late". Then they acted together for late". Then they acted together for

:26:19. > :26:20.two years, doing tiny parts and two years, doing tiny parts and

:26:20. > :26:21.two years, doing tiny parts and stage-managing and walking on, bits

:26:21. > :26:21.stage-managing and walking on, bits stage-managing and walking on, bits

:26:21. > :26:22.stage-managing and walking on, bits and pieces, then the war broke out

:26:22. > :26:23.and pieces, then the war broke out and pieces, then the war broke out

:26:23. > :26:31.and pieces, then the war broke out and they kept in touch and married

:26:31. > :26:32.and they kept in touch and married and they kept in touch and married

:26:32. > :26:32.and they kept in touch and married in 1943. The Rep was a launchpad

:26:33. > :26:33.in 1943. The Rep was a launchpad in 1943. The Rep was a launchpad

:26:33. > :26:34.in 1943. The Rep was a launchpad for up and coming actors and Sir

:26:34. > :26:35.for up and coming actors and Sir for up and coming actors and Sir

:26:35. > :26:38.Laurence Olivier made his debut Laurence Olivier made his debut

:26:38. > :26:40.Laurence Olivier made his debut right here in 1926. 'Birmingham is

:26:40. > :26:40.right here in 1926. 'Birmingham is right here in 1926. 'Birmingham is

:26:40. > :26:41.so marvellous. I remembered how so marvellous. I remembered how

:26:41. > :26:42.so marvellous. I remembered how so marvellous. I remembered how

:26:42. > :26:43.marvellous they were to me when I marvellous they were to me when I

:26:43. > :26:44.marvellous they were to me when I marvellous they were to me when I

:26:44. > :26:45.marvellous they were to me when I was a kid of 18 and 19, playing at

:26:45. > :26:50.was a kid of 18 and 19, playing at the Repc. Frightfully intelligent,

:26:50. > :26:51.the Repc. Frightfully intelligent, warm, glowing, marvellous audience'.

:26:51. > :26:52.warm, glowing, marvellous audience'. warm, glowing, marvellous audience'.

:26:52. > :26:53.Sir Laurence performed at the Rep Sir Laurence performed at the Rep

:26:53. > :26:54.Sir Laurence performed at the Rep regularly over a three-year period

:26:54. > :26:54.regularly over a three-year period regularly over a three-year period

:26:55. > :27:00.regularly over a three-year period and left behind a memento which lay

:27:00. > :27:01.and left behind a memento which lay and left behind a memento which lay

:27:01. > :27:02.hidden for years. In 1940, during hidden for years. In 1940, during

:27:02. > :27:06.hidden for years. In 1940, during the Birmingham Blitz, the Rep's

:27:06. > :27:07.the Birmingham Blitz, the Rep's the Birmingham Blitz, the Rep's

:27:07. > :27:08.wardrobe building was destroyed. 30 wardrobe building was destroyed. 30

:27:08. > :27:11.wardrobe building was destroyed. 30 years of sets and costumes were

:27:11. > :27:12.years of sets and costumes were years of sets and costumes were

:27:12. > :27:13.lost. As a young trainee actor, lost. As a young trainee actor,

:27:13. > :27:14.lost. As a young trainee actor, Margaret Walden was sent to clear

:27:14. > :27:15.Margaret Walden was sent to clear Margaret Walden was sent to clear

:27:15. > :27:20.out the flooded basement where she out the flooded basement where she

:27:20. > :27:21.out the flooded basement where she made a shock discovery. I found

:27:21. > :27:22.made a shock discovery. I found made a shock discovery. I found

:27:22. > :27:23.this script that had been hand- this script that had been hand-

:27:23. > :27:24.this script that had been hand- written by Laurence Olivier of a

:27:24. > :27:25.written by Laurence Olivier of a written by Laurence Olivier of a

:27:25. > :27:26.written by Laurence Olivier of a play that he had been in with a

:27:26. > :27:27.play that he had been in with a play that he had been in with a

:27:27. > :27:28.play that he had been in with a very small part, and I got a thing

:27:28. > :27:29.very small part, and I got a thing very small part, and I got a thing

:27:29. > :27:30.about Laurence Olivier at the time about Laurence Olivier at the time

:27:30. > :27:31.about Laurence Olivier at the time and I thought, nobody wants that,

:27:31. > :27:35.and I thought, nobody wants that, and I thought, nobody wants that,

:27:35. > :27:37.and I thought, nobody wants that, and I thought, nobody wants that,

:27:37. > :27:39.it's a shame to throw it away. So I it's a shame to throw it away. So I

:27:39. > :27:39.it's a shame to throw it away. So I it's a shame to throw it away. So I

:27:39. > :27:42.purloined it. I stole it. For want purloined it. I stole it. For want

:27:42. > :27:43.purloined it. I stole it. For want purloined it. I stole it. For want

:27:43. > :27:44.of a better word! Aged just 16, of a better word! Aged just 16,

:27:44. > :27:45.of a better word! Aged just 16, Margaret had been snapped up to

:27:45. > :27:47.Margaret had been snapped up to Margaret had been snapped up to

:27:47. > :27:50.join the Rep's theatre school. An join the Rep's theatre school. An

:27:50. > :27:51.join the Rep's theatre school. An experience she would never forget.

:27:51. > :27:52.experience she would never forget. experience she would never forget.

:27:52. > :27:53.experience she would never forget. It was just like being in a

:27:53. > :27:55.It was just like being in a perpetual sweetshop, it was

:27:55. > :27:56.perpetual sweetshop, it was perpetual sweetshop, it was

:27:56. > :27:57.absolutely lovely. I just loved absolutely lovely. I just loved

:27:57. > :27:58.absolutely lovely. I just loved absolutely lovely. I just loved

:27:58. > :27:59.every minute of it. It opened a new every minute of it. It opened a new

:27:59. > :28:00.every minute of it. It opened a new every minute of it. It opened a new

:28:00. > :28:01.world to me, a different sort of world to me, a different sort of

:28:01. > :28:03.world to me, a different sort of world, I loved the theatre ever

:28:03. > :28:04.world, I loved the theatre ever world, I loved the theatre ever

:28:04. > :28:05.world, I loved the theatre ever since. So the Rep is ready to come

:28:05. > :28:06.since. So the Rep is ready to come since. So the Rep is ready to come

:28:06. > :28:07.since. So the Rep is ready to come home. And who knows? They may just

:28:07. > :28:17.home. And who knows? They may just home. And who knows? They may just

:28:17. > :28:18.

:28:18. > :28:19.Well, that's it for tonight, but Well, that's it for tonight, but

:28:19. > :28:20.Well, that's it for tonight, but don't forget you can find more

:28:20. > :28:21.don't forget you can find more don't forget you can find more

:28:21. > :28:22.information about any of the films information about any of the films

:28:22. > :28:24.information about any of the films on tonight's programme on our

:28:24. > :28:34.on tonight's programme on our on tonight's programme on our

:28:34. > :28:35.Facebook page. From the RAF Museum, If you've been affected by any of