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:00:20. > :00:21.Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of

:00:21. > :00:22.Hello. Tonight I'm at the home of Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club

:00:22. > :00:23.Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club

:00:23. > :00:24.Birmingham City Amateur Boxing Club as we're on the trail of a

:00:24. > :00:27.as we're on the trail of a as we're on the trail of a

:00:27. > :00:31.forgotten boxing hero from the forgotten boxing hero from the

:00:31. > :00:32.forgotten boxing hero from the 1930s. Also on the show:

:00:32. > :00:33.1930s. Also on the show: 1930s. Also on the show:

:00:33. > :00:34.Unlocking the hidden world of the Unlocking the hidden world of the

:00:34. > :00:37.Unlocking the hidden world of the young carers juggling home and

:00:37. > :00:38.young carers juggling home and young carers juggling home and

:00:38. > :00:39.young carers juggling home and school life. I want to go out and

:00:39. > :00:40.school life. I want to go out and school life. I want to go out and

:00:40. > :00:41.school life. I want to go out and see my friends, but I don't feel I

:00:41. > :00:42.see my friends, but I don't feel I see my friends, but I don't feel I

:00:42. > :00:43.see my friends, but I don't feel I can because I want to be watching

:00:43. > :00:44.can because I want to be watching can because I want to be watching

:00:44. > :00:47.can because I want to be watching my mum, making sure she is OK and

:00:47. > :00:48.everything. everything.

:00:48. > :00:49.everything. But first tonight, the government

:00:49. > :00:50.But first tonight, the government remains committed to culling

:00:50. > :00:51.remains committed to culling remains committed to culling

:00:51. > :00:52.badgers in an attempt to control badgers in an attempt to control

:00:52. > :00:56.tuberculosis in cattle, despite tuberculosis in cattle, despite

:00:56. > :00:57.tuberculosis in cattle, despite postponing the scheme in October.

:00:57. > :00:58.postponing the scheme in October. postponing the scheme in October.

:00:58. > :00:59.postponing the scheme in October. The plan to train marksmen to shoot

:00:59. > :01:00.The plan to train marksmen to shoot The plan to train marksmen to shoot

:01:00. > :01:01.thousands of badgers in two areas, thousands of badgers in two areas,

:01:01. > :01:04.including Gloucestershire, has been including Gloucestershire, has been

:01:04. > :01:09.including Gloucestershire, has been delayed until the summer. But is

:01:09. > :01:10.delayed until the summer. But is delayed until the summer. But is

:01:10. > :01:11.there a viable alternative? Bovine there a viable alternative? Bovine

:01:11. > :01:12.there a viable alternative? Bovine tuberculosis is one of the biggest

:01:12. > :01:13.tuberculosis is one of the biggest tuberculosis is one of the biggest

:01:13. > :01:14.challenges facing our farmers with challenges facing our farmers with

:01:14. > :01:20.challenges facing our farmers with 35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK

:01:20. > :01:21.35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK 35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK

:01:21. > :01:22.35,000 cows slaughtered in the UK last year alone. It has a huge

:01:22. > :01:23.last year alone. It has a huge last year alone. It has a huge

:01:23. > :01:24.last year alone. It has a huge effect on not only myself, but the

:01:24. > :01:25.effect on not only myself, but the effect on not only myself, but the

:01:25. > :01:26.effect on not only myself, but the family and the staff who work on

:01:26. > :01:27.family and the staff who work on family and the staff who work on

:01:27. > :01:32.family and the staff who work on the farm as well. Come on, girl.

:01:32. > :01:33.the farm as well. Come on, girl. the farm as well. Come on, girl.

:01:33. > :01:34.the farm as well. Come on, girl. Come on. It is a big day on

:01:34. > :01:35.Come on. It is a big day on Come on. It is a big day on

:01:35. > :01:36.Stephen's dairy farms. I have come Stephen's dairy farms. I have come

:01:36. > :01:37.Stephen's dairy farms. I have come Stephen's dairy farms. I have come

:01:37. > :01:38.to see his latest TB test. All 270 to see his latest TB test. All 270

:01:38. > :01:39.to see his latest TB test. All 270 to see his latest TB test. All 270

:01:39. > :01:40.of his dairy cows have to be of his dairy cows have to be

:01:40. > :01:49.of his dairy cows have to be of his dairy cows have to be

:01:49. > :01:50.checked to see if they have the checked to see if they have the

:01:50. > :01:51.checked to see if they have the disease. Two days ago the vet

:01:51. > :01:51.disease. Two days ago the vet disease. Two days ago the vet

:01:51. > :01:52.disease. Two days ago the vet injected be cows in the neck with

:01:52. > :01:53.injected be cows in the neck with injected be cows in the neck with

:01:53. > :01:54.the tuberculosis skin test. Now he the tuberculosis skin test. Now he

:01:54. > :01:55.the tuberculosis skin test. Now he the tuberculosis skin test. Now he

:01:55. > :01:56.is measuring the lumps to see if is measuring the lumps to see if

:01:56. > :01:57.is measuring the lumps to see if is measuring the lumps to see if

:01:57. > :01:58.there is a reaction. Here I have to there is a reaction. Here I have to

:01:58. > :01:59.there is a reaction. Here I have to measure the skin thickness and we

:01:59. > :02:00.measure the skin thickness and we measure the skin thickness and we

:02:00. > :02:01.measure the skin thickness and we measure the skin thickness and we

:02:01. > :02:08.have got ten at the top and we have have got ten at the top and we have

:02:08. > :02:09.have got ten at the top and we have have got ten at the top and we have

:02:09. > :02:10.got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me,

:02:10. > :02:11.got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me,

:02:11. > :02:11.got nine at the bottom. OK. Tell me, what is it like on a day like today,

:02:11. > :02:12.what is it like on a day like today, what is it like on a day like today,

:02:12. > :02:14.what is it like on a day like today, having to go through all this?

:02:14. > :02:15.having to go through all this? having to go through all this?

:02:15. > :02:16.are on tenterhooks. You are waiting are on tenterhooks. You are waiting

:02:16. > :02:17.are on tenterhooks. You are waiting are on tenterhooks. You are waiting

:02:17. > :02:18.for the vet to read the test and for the vet to read the test and

:02:18. > :02:19.for the vet to read the test and for the vet to read the test and

:02:19. > :02:22.you are hoping and praying that you you are hoping and praying that you

:02:22. > :02:23.you are hoping and praying that you you are hoping and praying that you

:02:23. > :02:27.don't get a negative result. It is don't get a negative result. It is

:02:27. > :02:28.don't get a negative result. It is a very time-consuming time as well.

:02:28. > :02:29.a very time-consuming time as well. a very time-consuming time as well.

:02:29. > :02:30.a very time-consuming time as well. It is extra hassle for the cattle,

:02:30. > :02:30.It is extra hassle for the cattle, It is extra hassle for the cattle,

:02:30. > :02:31.It is extra hassle for the cattle, having to go through the test and

:02:31. > :02:33.having to go through the test and having to go through the test and

:02:33. > :02:37.having to go through the test and to be handled twice in a week. They

:02:37. > :02:38.to be handled twice in a week. They to be handled twice in a week. They

:02:38. > :02:38.to be handled twice in a week. They to be handled twice in a week. They

:02:38. > :02:42.do not like it. She is good to go. do not like it. She is good to go.

:02:42. > :02:43.do not like it. She is good to go. do not like it. She is good to go.

:02:43. > :02:44.She is fine. Sometimes the cows are She is fine. Sometimes the cows are

:02:44. > :02:45.She is fine. Sometimes the cows are clear, but if they are infected,

:02:45. > :02:46.clear, but if they are infected, clear, but if they are infected,

:02:46. > :02:47.they have to be slaughtered. Today, they have to be slaughtered. Today,

:02:47. > :02:50.they have to be slaughtered. Today, three cows have to be isolated

:02:50. > :02:51.three cows have to be isolated three cows have to be isolated

:02:51. > :02:52.because they are inconclusive. They because they are inconclusive. They

:02:52. > :02:53.because they are inconclusive. They because they are inconclusive. They

:02:54. > :02:55.will be tested again in 60 days. In will be tested again in 60 days. In

:02:55. > :03:00.will be tested again in 60 days. In the meantime, Steve cannot buy or

:03:00. > :03:01.the meantime, Steve cannot buy or the meantime, Steve cannot buy or

:03:01. > :03:02.the meantime, Steve cannot buy or sell any cows. It has been another

:03:02. > :03:03.sell any cows. It has been another sell any cows. It has been another

:03:03. > :03:04.difficult day for Steve, whose herd difficult day for Steve, whose herd

:03:04. > :03:05.difficult day for Steve, whose herd difficult day for Steve, whose herd

:03:05. > :03:06.is not TB free. He is still under is not TB free. He is still under

:03:06. > :03:07.is not TB free. He is still under restrictions for the next two

:03:07. > :03:08.restrictions for the next two restrictions for the next two

:03:08. > :03:09.months, with all the problems that months, with all the problems that

:03:09. > :03:10.months, with all the problems that brings. The main frustration as a

:03:10. > :03:11.brings. The main frustration as a brings. The main frustration as a

:03:11. > :03:13.brings. The main frustration as a farmer is that we are not making

:03:13. > :03:14.farmer is that we are not making farmer is that we are not making

:03:14. > :03:15.farmer is that we are not making any progress. We are not having a

:03:15. > :03:16.any progress. We are not having a any progress. We are not having a

:03:16. > :03:17.any progress. We are not having a test and thinking, it will only be

:03:17. > :03:18.test and thinking, it will only be test and thinking, it will only be

:03:18. > :03:21.one more because we are making one more because we are making

:03:21. > :03:22.one more because we are making one more because we are making

:03:22. > :03:23.headway on combating TB. It is not headway on combating TB. It is not

:03:23. > :03:24.headway on combating TB. It is not happening and it is frustrating for

:03:24. > :03:25.happening and it is frustrating for happening and it is frustrating for

:03:25. > :03:28.happening and it is frustrating for me and the next generation who may

:03:28. > :03:29.me and the next generation who may me and the next generation who may

:03:29. > :03:30.farm here. Farmers want something farm here. Farmers want something

:03:30. > :03:34.farm here. Farmers want something farm here. Farmers want something

:03:34. > :03:34.done and this summer that will mean done and this summer that will mean

:03:35. > :03:36.done and this summer that will mean cull. Having looked at all the

:03:36. > :03:36.cull. Having looked at all the cull. Having looked at all the

:03:37. > :03:37.evidence over many years, I am evidence over many years, I am

:03:38. > :03:38.utterly convinced that badger utterly convinced that badger

:03:39. > :03:42.utterly convinced that badger utterly convinced that badger

:03:42. > :03:43.control is the right thing to do. control is the right thing to do.

:03:43. > :03:44.Many scientists and Many scientists and

:03:44. > :03:46.Many scientists and conservationists are opposed to the

:03:46. > :03:47.conservationists are opposed to the cull. Particularly strong

:03:47. > :03:51.cull. Particularly strong cull. Particularly strong

:03:51. > :03:52.opposition has come from the RSPCA. opposition has come from the RSPCA.

:03:52. > :03:54.opposition has come from the RSPCA. opposition has come from the RSPCA.

:03:54. > :03:55.What is your view on the cull? What is your view on the cull?

:03:55. > :03:56.What is your view on the cull? is wrong because the only

:03:56. > :03:57.is wrong because the only is wrong because the only

:03:57. > :03:58.independent piece of science found independent piece of science found

:03:58. > :04:01.independent piece of science found independent piece of science found

:04:01. > :04:02.it did not have a major effect on it did not have a major effect on

:04:02. > :04:03.it did not have a major effect on bovine TB. There was something like

:04:03. > :04:04.bovine TB. There was something like bovine TB. There was something like

:04:04. > :04:05.bovine TB. There was something like a 16% decline over a period of many

:04:05. > :04:11.a 16% decline over a period of many a 16% decline over a period of many

:04:11. > :04:12.years if you slaughtered the years if you slaughtered the

:04:12. > :04:13.years if you slaughtered the badgers. We also oppose the method

:04:13. > :04:14.badgers. We also oppose the method badgers. We also oppose the method

:04:14. > :04:16.the government is using. Free the government is using. Free

:04:16. > :04:17.the government is using. Free shooting is a higher risk method.

:04:17. > :04:18.shooting is a higher risk method. shooting is a higher risk method.

:04:18. > :04:19.shooting is a higher risk method. It means that some badgers will not

:04:19. > :04:20.It means that some badgers will not It means that some badgers will not

:04:20. > :04:21.be killed outright. They will go be killed outright. They will go

:04:21. > :04:22.be killed outright. They will go underground and they will bleed to

:04:22. > :04:31.underground and they will bleed to underground and they will bleed to

:04:31. > :04:32.underground and they will bleed to death and suffer as a result.

:04:32. > :04:33.death and suffer as a result. death and suffer as a result.

:04:33. > :04:34.this is where the ultimate solution this is where the ultimate solution

:04:34. > :04:35.this is where the ultimate solution this is where the ultimate solution

:04:35. > :04:36.lies - inside a science lab. Cattle lies - inside a science lab. Cattle

:04:36. > :04:37.lies - inside a science lab. Cattle vaccination is thought by many to

:04:37. > :04:38.vaccination is thought by many to vaccination is thought by many to

:04:38. > :04:39.vaccination is thought by many to be the missing piece of the jigsaw

:04:39. > :04:40.be the missing piece of the jigsaw be the missing piece of the jigsaw

:04:40. > :04:41.in tackling bovine TB. It could in tackling bovine TB. It could

:04:41. > :04:43.in tackling bovine TB. It could stop both cows and badgers from

:04:43. > :04:45.stop both cows and badgers from stop both cows and badgers from

:04:45. > :04:45.dying. And at the heart of dying. And at the heart of

:04:46. > :04:49.vaccination research are the vaccination research are the

:04:50. > :04:51.government's own animal health government's own animal health

:04:51. > :04:51.laboratories. Developing a cattle laboratories. Developing a cattle

:04:51. > :04:52.laboratories. Developing a cattle vaccination against TB is complex

:04:52. > :04:53.vaccination against TB is complex vaccination against TB is complex

:04:53. > :04:54.vaccination against TB is complex and difficult and it is here that

:04:54. > :04:55.and difficult and it is here that scientists are working towards

:04:55. > :04:56.scientists are working towards scientists are working towards

:04:56. > :04:57.solving the problem. For the last solving the problem. For the last

:04:57. > :04:58.solving the problem. For the last 15 years they have been trying

:04:58. > :04:59.15 years they have been trying 15 years they have been trying

:04:59. > :05:00.15 years they have been trying every think they can think of to

:05:00. > :05:01.every think they can think of to every think they can think of to

:05:01. > :05:09.find an effective vaccine, but they find an effective vaccine, but they

:05:09. > :05:10.find an effective vaccine, but they find an effective vaccine, but they

:05:10. > :05:11.are not there yet. At the moment, are not there yet. At the moment,

:05:11. > :05:12.are not there yet. At the moment, are not there yet. At the moment,

:05:12. > :05:13.we don't have a vaccine you can we don't have a vaccine you can

:05:13. > :05:13.we don't have a vaccine you can we don't have a vaccine you can

:05:13. > :05:14.take off the shelf and inject into take off the shelf and inject into

:05:14. > :05:15.take off the shelf and inject into cows. The only vaccine we could

:05:15. > :05:16.cows. The only vaccine we could cows. The only vaccine we could

:05:16. > :05:20.currently work with is a vaccine currently work with is a vaccine

:05:20. > :05:23.currently work with is a vaccine currently work with is a vaccine

:05:23. > :05:24.used in people. It is called BCG. used in people. It is called BCG.

:05:24. > :05:25.used in people. It is called BCG. used in people. It is called BCG.

:05:25. > :05:29.It will protect a certain number of It will protect a certain number of

:05:29. > :05:30.animals against acquiring infection. animals against acquiring infection.

:05:30. > :05:31.animals against acquiring infection. animals against acquiring infection.

:05:31. > :05:31.It will reduce the infection in a It will reduce the infection in a

:05:31. > :05:32.It will reduce the infection in a certain percentage of animals and

:05:32. > :05:33.certain percentage of animals and certain percentage of animals and

:05:33. > :05:35.certain percentage of animals and by doing so, we expect it to reduce

:05:35. > :05:36.by doing so, we expect it to reduce by doing so, we expect it to reduce

:05:36. > :05:42.the transmission of TB from one the transmission of TB from one

:05:42. > :05:42.the transmission of TB from one the transmission of TB from one

:05:42. > :05:43.animal to another. So if there is animal to another. So if there is

:05:43. > :05:45.animal to another. So if there is something that works, why don't our

:05:45. > :05:46.something that works, why don't our something that works, why don't our

:05:46. > :05:47.cows have it? The problem is cows have it? The problem is

:05:47. > :05:50.cows have it? The problem is vaccinating cattle is banned under

:05:50. > :05:51.vaccinating cattle is banned under vaccinating cattle is banned under

:05:51. > :05:52.European law. That is because when European law. That is because when

:05:52. > :05:53.European law. That is because when European law. That is because when

:05:53. > :05:54.you use the skin test on farms, you use the skin test on farms,

:05:54. > :05:55.both vaccinated and infected both vaccinated and infected

:05:55. > :05:59.both vaccinated and infected animals appear to test positive for

:06:00. > :06:00.animals appear to test positive for animals appear to test positive for

:06:01. > :06:02.animals appear to test positive for TB. So we needed a new test that

:06:02. > :06:04.TB. So we needed a new test that TB. So we needed a new test that

:06:04. > :06:05.can tell the difference between the can tell the difference between the

:06:05. > :06:08.can tell the difference between the can tell the difference between the

:06:08. > :06:09.two. It is called the diva test. two. It is called the diva test.

:06:09. > :06:10.two. It is called the diva test. two. It is called the diva test.

:06:10. > :06:11.What we now have is a test that What we now have is a test that

:06:11. > :06:11.What we now have is a test that What we now have is a test that

:06:11. > :06:12.will be positive if you have TB will be positive if you have TB

:06:12. > :06:13.will be positive if you have TB infection and will be negative if

:06:13. > :06:16.infection and will be negative if infection and will be negative if

:06:16. > :06:17.you are vaccinated with BCG. you are vaccinated with BCG.

:06:17. > :06:20.you are vaccinated with BCG. you are vaccinated with BCG.

:06:20. > :06:21.diva test needs to be tried on a diva test needs to be tried on a

:06:21. > :06:22.diva test needs to be tried on a working farm. That trial is also

:06:22. > :06:29.working farm. That trial is also prevented by the European

:06:29. > :06:30.prevented by the European prevented by the European

:06:30. > :06:31.vaccination plan. At the moment, it vaccination plan. At the moment, it

:06:31. > :06:32.vaccination plan. At the moment, it is illegal to vaccinate cattle and

:06:32. > :06:33.is illegal to vaccinate cattle and is illegal to vaccinate cattle and

:06:33. > :06:34.yet in order to reassure Europe yet in order to reassure Europe

:06:34. > :06:35.yet in order to reassure Europe that our tests are sensitive, we

:06:35. > :06:39.that our tests are sensitive, we that our tests are sensitive, we

:06:39. > :06:40.that our tests are sensitive, we need to do field trials. But whilst

:06:40. > :06:41.need to do field trials. But whilst need to do field trials. But whilst

:06:41. > :06:43.there is a block on vaccinating there is a block on vaccinating

:06:43. > :06:44.there is a block on vaccinating cattle, we can vaccinate badgers.

:06:44. > :06:45.cattle, we can vaccinate badgers. cattle, we can vaccinate badgers.

:06:45. > :06:47.cattle, we can vaccinate badgers. It is already being done in Wales,

:06:47. > :06:50.It is already being done in Wales, Devon and Gloucestershire. Results

:06:50. > :06:50.Devon and Gloucestershire. Results Devon and Gloucestershire. Results

:06:50. > :06:51.are promising. It does not cure are promising. It does not cure

:06:51. > :06:52.are promising. It does not cure are promising. It does not cure

:06:53. > :06:53.badgers with TB and it is not 100% badgers with TB and it is not 100%

:06:53. > :07:01.badgers with TB and it is not 100% effective, but it does reduce the

:07:01. > :07:02.effective, but it does reduce the effective, but it does reduce the

:07:02. > :07:04.effective, but it does reduce the disease by almost 75%. So, what is

:07:04. > :07:04.disease by almost 75%. So, what is disease by almost 75%. So, what is

:07:04. > :07:05.the Government's waiting for? I the Government's waiting for? I

:07:05. > :07:09.the Government's waiting for? I went to ask the agriculture

:07:09. > :07:10.went to ask the agriculture went to ask the agriculture

:07:10. > :07:11.minister himself. I think we have minister himself. I think we have

:07:11. > :07:12.minister himself. I think we have minister himself. I think we have

:07:12. > :07:13.got to take into account that we got to take into account that we

:07:13. > :07:14.got to take into account that we have an extremely serious disease

:07:14. > :07:15.have an extremely serious disease have an extremely serious disease

:07:15. > :07:16.affecting cattle across the country. affecting cattle across the country.

:07:16. > :07:18.affecting cattle across the country. It is affecting the wild badger

:07:18. > :07:19.It is affecting the wild badger It is affecting the wild badger

:07:19. > :07:19.It is affecting the wild badger population as well. We need to bear

:07:19. > :07:20.population as well. We need to bear population as well. We need to bear

:07:20. > :07:21.population as well. We need to bear down on that disease and all the

:07:21. > :07:22.down on that disease and all the down on that disease and all the

:07:22. > :07:23.down on that disease and all the evidence is that you cannot get rid

:07:23. > :07:24.evidence is that you cannot get rid evidence is that you cannot get rid

:07:24. > :07:25.evidence is that you cannot get rid of TB, or even stop the spread of

:07:25. > :07:26.of TB, or even stop the spread of of TB, or even stop the spread of

:07:26. > :07:27.of TB, or even stop the spread of TB in cattle unless you deal with

:07:27. > :07:28.TB in cattle unless you deal with TB in cattle unless you deal with

:07:28. > :07:29.the wildlife sector as well and the wildlife sector as well and

:07:29. > :07:30.the wildlife sector as well and the wildlife sector as well and

:07:30. > :07:38.that is why we have to do something that is why we have to do something

:07:38. > :07:39.that is why we have to do something about the badger population. What

:07:39. > :07:42.about the badger population. What about the badger population. What

:07:42. > :07:43.is your view on badger vaccination? is your view on badger vaccination?

:07:43. > :07:43.is your view on badger vaccination? is your view on badger vaccination?

:07:43. > :07:44.If we can develop an an oral If we can develop an an oral

:07:44. > :07:45.If we can develop an an oral vaccination, if that is available

:07:45. > :07:46.vaccination, if that is available vaccination, if that is available

:07:46. > :07:47.vaccination, if that is available to us, then we think that that

:07:47. > :07:48.to us, then we think that that to us, then we think that that

:07:48. > :07:54.might be an easier way of might be an easier way of

:07:54. > :07:55.might be an easier way of administering a vaccine to badgers.

:07:55. > :07:56.administering a vaccine to badgers. administering a vaccine to badgers.

:07:56. > :07:57.administering a vaccine to badgers. But let me stress again, it is part

:07:57. > :07:58.But let me stress again, it is part But let me stress again, it is part

:07:58. > :08:02.But let me stress again, it is part of the solution, but it is not a

:08:02. > :08:02.of the solution, but it is not a of the solution, but it is not a

:08:03. > :08:04.whole solution. On to cattle whole solution. On to cattle

:08:04. > :08:04.whole solution. On to cattle whole solution. On to cattle

:08:04. > :08:09.vaccination - the BCG and diva test vaccination - the BCG and diva test

:08:09. > :08:10.vaccination - the BCG and diva test vaccination - the BCG and diva test

:08:10. > :08:11.are in for licensing. We seem to be are in for licensing. We seem to be

:08:11. > :08:13.are in for licensing. We seem to be are in for licensing. We seem to be

:08:13. > :08:14.in a good position. Where do you in a good position. Where do you

:08:14. > :08:15.in a good position. Where do you in a good position. Where do you

:08:15. > :08:16.see it? At the moment, it is see it? At the moment, it is

:08:16. > :08:17.see it? At the moment, it is see it? At the moment, it is

:08:17. > :08:18.illegal even to test it without a illegal even to test it without a

:08:18. > :08:18.illegal even to test it without a special dispensation. That is why

:08:19. > :08:19.special dispensation. That is why special dispensation. That is why

:08:19. > :08:23.special dispensation. That is why we are going to the European Union

:08:23. > :08:24.we are going to the European Union we are going to the European Union

:08:24. > :08:27.Commission. We had a very useful Commission. We had a very useful

:08:27. > :08:28.conversation recently with the conversation recently with the

:08:28. > :08:29.conversation recently with the relevant commissioner. He has come

:08:29. > :08:30.relevant commissioner. He has come relevant commissioner. He has come

:08:30. > :08:31.relevant commissioner. He has come back with some proposals as to how

:08:31. > :08:31.back with some proposals as to how back with some proposals as to how

:08:32. > :08:34.back with some proposals as to how we could take this forward in an

:08:34. > :08:35.we could take this forward in an we could take this forward in an

:08:35. > :08:37.we could take this forward in an effective way. We are very keen to

:08:37. > :08:38.effective way. We are very keen to effective way. We are very keen to

:08:38. > :08:39.effective way. We are very keen to do that. That is the good news. The

:08:39. > :08:40.do that. That is the good news. The do that. That is the good news. The

:08:40. > :08:41.do that. That is the good news. The bad news is that it is a long

:08:41. > :08:42.bad news is that it is a long bad news is that it is a long

:08:42. > :08:43.timescale. He estimates it will timescale. He estimates it will

:08:43. > :08:44.timescale. He estimates it will timescale. He estimates it will

:08:44. > :08:45.take about 10 years before we are take about 10 years before we are

:08:45. > :08:55.take about 10 years before we are take about 10 years before we are

:08:55. > :08:59.

:08:59. > :09:00.able to use a vaccine on cattle in So, some answers and potentially

:09:01. > :09:01.So, some answers and potentially So, some answers and potentially

:09:01. > :09:03.some progress. The government here some progress. The government here

:09:03. > :09:03.some progress. The government here some progress. The government here

:09:03. > :09:04.some progress. The government here is saying that the EU has set up a

:09:04. > :09:06.is saying that the EU has set up a timeline for when cattle

:09:06. > :09:07.timeline for when cattle vaccination might be acceptable.

:09:08. > :09:09.vaccination might be acceptable. vaccination might be acceptable.

:09:09. > :09:09.vaccination might be acceptable. But even if all the steps in this

:09:09. > :09:10.But even if all the steps in this But even if all the steps in this

:09:10. > :09:11.But even if all the steps in this plan are met, we are still talking

:09:11. > :09:13.plan are met, we are still talking plan are met, we are still talking

:09:13. > :09:14.several years before it could several years before it could

:09:14. > :09:15.several years before it could happen. It is a frustrating

:09:15. > :09:16.happen. It is a frustrating situation, especially for the

:09:16. > :09:17.situation, especially for the situation, especially for the

:09:17. > :09:21.farmers left fighting the disease farmers left fighting the disease

:09:21. > :09:22.farmers left fighting the disease on the frontline. We cannot wait

:09:22. > :09:23.on the frontline. We cannot wait on the frontline. We cannot wait

:09:23. > :09:27.that long, neither can the next that long, neither can the next

:09:27. > :09:28.generation. The situation is generation. The situation is

:09:28. > :09:28.generation. The situation is generation. The situation is

:09:28. > :09:29.getting worse. It is more of a getting worse. It is more of a

:09:30. > :09:30.getting worse. It is more of a getting worse. It is more of a

:09:30. > :09:31.problem now than it was seven or problem now than it was seven or

:09:31. > :09:32.problem now than it was seven or problem now than it was seven or

:09:32. > :09:33.eight years ago. We are not making eight years ago. We are not making

:09:33. > :09:40.eight years ago. We are not making progress and it is something we

:09:40. > :09:41.progress and it is something we need to tackle now.

:09:41. > :09:41.need to tackle now. need to tackle now.

:09:42. > :09:44.need to tackle now. You can talk was right now on

:09:45. > :09:49.You can talk was right now on You can talk was right now on

:09:50. > :09:53.Twitter. You can also e-mail me Twitter. You can also e-mail me

:09:53. > :09:54.Twitter. You can also e-mail me direct. Still to come tonight:

:09:54. > :09:54.direct. Still to come tonight: direct. Still to come tonight:

:09:55. > :09:55.Shropshire's most famous boxer on Shropshire's most famous boxer on

:09:55. > :10:00.Shropshire's most famous boxer on the trail of the county's forgotten

:10:00. > :10:01.the trail of the county's forgotten the trail of the county's forgotten

:10:01. > :10:02.fighter. So, in your opinion, what fighter. So, in your opinion, what

:10:02. > :10:02.fighter. So, in your opinion, what fighter. So, in your opinion, what

:10:03. > :10:05.are my chances of finding out more are my chances of finding out more

:10:05. > :10:06.are my chances of finding out more are my chances of finding out more

:10:06. > :10:08.about Billy Evans. It really is not about Billy Evans. It really is not

:10:08. > :10:09.about Billy Evans. It really is not about Billy Evans. It really is not

:10:09. > :10:10.going to be easy. I think you will going to be easy. I think you will

:10:10. > :10:11.going to be easy. I think you will have to find some living relative

:10:11. > :10:12.have to find some living relative have to find some living relative

:10:12. > :10:13.have to find some living relative who will be able to paint a more

:10:13. > :10:19.who will be able to paint a more who will be able to paint a more

:10:19. > :10:20.complete picture of the man. There complete picture of the man. There

:10:20. > :10:21.complete picture of the man. There are officially 175,000 young people

:10:21. > :10:22.are officially 175,000 young people are officially 175,000 young people

:10:22. > :10:26.across the UK providing unpaid care across the UK providing unpaid care

:10:26. > :10:26.across the UK providing unpaid care across the UK providing unpaid care

:10:26. > :10:27.to a family member. It is thought to a family member. It is thought

:10:27. > :10:28.to a family member. It is thought the actual number could be four

:10:28. > :10:29.the actual number could be four the actual number could be four

:10:29. > :10:31.times higher with many unpaid times higher with many unpaid

:10:31. > :10:32.times higher with many unpaid carers unwilling to ask for help.

:10:32. > :10:35.carers unwilling to ask for help. carers unwilling to ask for help.

:10:35. > :10:45.carers unwilling to ask for help. So how do they cope? Jim Davis has

:10:45. > :10:55.

:10:55. > :10:55.Looking after a loved one comes Looking after a loved one comes

:10:56. > :10:57.Looking after a loved one comes naturally to children. For some,

:10:57. > :10:58.naturally to children. For some, naturally to children. For some,

:10:58. > :10:58.caring for brothers and sisters, caring for brothers and sisters,

:10:58. > :10:59.caring for brothers and sisters, caring for brothers and sisters,

:10:59. > :11:00.mums and dads, is a full time job. mums and dads, is a full time job.

:11:00. > :11:01.mums and dads, is a full time job. mums and dads, is a full time job.

:11:01. > :11:02.But many are too scared to tell But many are too scared to tell

:11:02. > :11:03.But many are too scared to tell people what they do. Worried

:11:03. > :11:13.people what they do. Worried people what they do. Worried

:11:13. > :11:15.

:11:15. > :11:16.they'll be judged, bullied or they'll be judged, bullied or

:11:16. > :11:16.they'll be judged, bullied or humiliated. They might talk behind

:11:17. > :11:17.humiliated. They might talk behind humiliated. They might talk behind

:11:17. > :11:18.humiliated. They might talk behind my back, so I'd rather not tell

:11:18. > :11:19.my back, so I'd rather not tell my back, so I'd rather not tell

:11:19. > :11:20.them about Reece and then they them about Reece and then they

:11:20. > :11:21.them about Reece and then they them about Reece and then they

:11:21. > :11:22.them about Reece and then they might not do it so I just keep it

:11:22. > :11:23.might not do it so I just keep it might not do it so I just keep it

:11:23. > :11:24.might not do it so I just keep it to myself. There are people on this

:11:24. > :11:25.to myself. There are people on this to myself. There are people on this

:11:25. > :11:26.to myself. There are people on this street, say no names, but they have

:11:26. > :11:27.street, say no names, but they have street, say no names, but they have

:11:27. > :11:28.street, say no names, but they have been so evil to us. Some deal with

:11:28. > :11:35.been so evil to us. Some deal with been so evil to us. Some deal with

:11:35. > :11:36.the pressure by harming themselves. the pressure by harming themselves.

:11:36. > :11:37.the pressure by harming themselves. These were mainly done with razor

:11:37. > :11:38.These were mainly done with razor These were mainly done with razor

:11:38. > :11:39.These were mainly done with razor blades, dug in with the corner, I

:11:39. > :11:43.blades, dug in with the corner, I blades, dug in with the corner, I

:11:44. > :11:44.think there was a screwdriver at think there was a screwdriver at

:11:45. > :11:45.think there was a screwdriver at think there was a screwdriver at

:11:45. > :11:46.one point. But now there's a group one point. But now there's a group

:11:46. > :11:47.one point. But now there's a group of young carers in Leicester who've

:11:47. > :11:48.of young carers in Leicester who've had enough. They're getting

:11:48. > :11:52.had enough. They're getting had enough. They're getting

:11:52. > :11:53.together to support each other. I together to support each other. I

:11:53. > :11:54.together to support each other. I together to support each other. I

:11:54. > :11:55.want to know what it is like for want to know what it is like for

:11:55. > :11:56.want to know what it is like for these young carers. What sort of

:11:56. > :11:57.these young carers. What sort of these young carers. What sort of

:11:57. > :11:58.burdens they are carrying and what burdens they are carrying and what

:11:58. > :12:07.burdens they are carrying and what burdens they are carrying and what

:12:07. > :12:08.sort of help is out there for them. sort of help is out there for them.

:12:08. > :12:08.sort of help is out there for them. sort of help is out there for them.

:12:08. > :12:09.Jhon is 13 years old and looks Jhon is 13 years old and looks

:12:09. > :12:10.Jhon is 13 years old and looks after his deaf and disabled mother.

:12:10. > :12:11.after his deaf and disabled mother. after his deaf and disabled mother.

:12:11. > :12:12.How long have you had the How long have you had the

:12:12. > :12:13.How long have you had the condition? I was born with

:12:13. > :12:14.condition? I was born with condition? I was born with

:12:14. > :12:15.osteogenesis and I've probably been osteogenesis and I've probably been

:12:15. > :12:16.osteogenesis and I've probably been osteogenesis and I've probably been

:12:16. > :12:17.going deaf since I was about six. going deaf since I was about six.

:12:17. > :12:17.going deaf since I was about six. going deaf since I was about six.

:12:17. > :12:18.Jhon has always been there for his Jhon has always been there for his

:12:18. > :12:19.Jhon has always been there for his Jhon has always been there for his

:12:19. > :12:20.mum, but he has found that very few mum, but he has found that very few

:12:20. > :12:21.mum, but he has found that very few mum, but he has found that very few

:12:21. > :12:22.people have been there for him. people have been there for him.

:12:22. > :12:23.people have been there for him. awareness in the community, places

:12:23. > :12:24.awareness in the community, places like schools, hospitals, things

:12:24. > :12:25.like schools, hospitals, things like schools, hospitals, things

:12:25. > :12:26.like that, do not understand what like that, do not understand what

:12:26. > :12:33.like that, do not understand what like that, do not understand what

:12:33. > :12:34.young carers are and what they do. young carers are and what they do.

:12:34. > :12:35.young carers are and what they do. John has got the same medical

:12:35. > :12:36.John has got the same medical John has got the same medical

:12:36. > :12:37.condition as his mother and cannot condition as his mother and cannot

:12:37. > :12:38.condition as his mother and cannot walk far without using a wheelchair

:12:38. > :12:39.walk far without using a wheelchair walk far without using a wheelchair

:12:39. > :12:40.himself. Despite this, he has been himself. Despite this, he has been

:12:40. > :12:41.himself. Despite this, he has been himself. Despite this, he has been

:12:41. > :12:42.helping his dad to care for her helping his dad to care for her

:12:42. > :12:47.helping his dad to care for her helping his dad to care for her

:12:47. > :12:48.since he was only five years old. since he was only five years old.

:12:48. > :12:49.since he was only five years old. When people are sort of moaning

:12:49. > :12:50.When people are sort of moaning When people are sort of moaning

:12:50. > :12:51.about something, you do think, that about something, you do think, that

:12:51. > :12:52.about something, you do think, that is insignificant in the real world,

:12:52. > :12:53.is insignificant in the real world, is insignificant in the real world,

:12:53. > :12:54.why don't you try having these why don't you try having these

:12:54. > :12:55.why don't you try having these why don't you try having these

:12:55. > :12:56.things to deal with and then see if things to deal with and then see if

:12:56. > :12:57.things to deal with and then see if things to deal with and then see if

:12:57. > :13:01.that little thing means so much to that little thing means so much to

:13:01. > :13:03.you to moan about. you to moan about.

:13:03. > :13:04.you to moan about. you to moan about.

:13:04. > :13:05.I am immensely proud. There is not I am immensely proud. There is not

:13:05. > :13:05.I am immensely proud. There is not I am immensely proud. There is not

:13:05. > :13:06.I am immensely proud. There is not a word, I tried to find a word to

:13:06. > :13:07.a word, I tried to find a word to a word, I tried to find a word to

:13:07. > :13:11.a word, I tried to find a word to say what he makes me feel like and

:13:11. > :13:11.say what he makes me feel like and say what he makes me feel like and

:13:11. > :13:12.there isn't one. Jhon's experiences there isn't one. Jhon's experiences

:13:13. > :13:22.there isn't one. Jhon's experiences there isn't one. Jhon's experiences

:13:23. > :13:26.

:13:26. > :13:27.have made him determined to make a It is Saturday morning and Jhon is

:13:27. > :13:28.It is Saturday morning and Jhon is It is Saturday morning and Jhon is

:13:28. > :13:30.meeting other young carers at the meeting other young carers at the

:13:30. > :13:31.Watershed Community Centre in Watershed Community Centre in

:13:31. > :13:41.Watershed Community Centre in Leicester. They have set up a

:13:41. > :13:42.

:13:42. > :13:43.Leicester. They have set up a We are getting a lot of young

:13:43. > :13:44.We are getting a lot of young people enquiring about Labelled,

:13:44. > :13:54.people enquiring about Labelled, people enquiring about Labelled,

:13:54. > :13:54.

:13:54. > :13:55.even enquiring about what young Jhon is one of the founding members

:13:55. > :13:56.Jhon is one of the founding members Jhon is one of the founding members

:13:56. > :13:57.along with 20-year-old Lotte who along with 20-year-old Lotte who

:13:57. > :13:58.along with 20-year-old Lotte who along with 20-year-old Lotte who

:13:58. > :13:58.was plunged into caring for her dad was plunged into caring for her dad

:13:58. > :14:02.was plunged into caring for her dad after he suffered a nervous

:14:02. > :14:02.after he suffered a nervous after he suffered a nervous

:14:03. > :14:03.breakdown ten years ago. What breakdown ten years ago. What

:14:03. > :14:06.breakdown ten years ago. What Labelled is about is empowering

:14:06. > :14:07.Labelled is about is empowering Labelled is about is empowering

:14:07. > :14:08.Labelled is about is empowering young carers. What we do not do is

:14:08. > :14:09.young carers. What we do not do is young carers. What we do not do is

:14:09. > :14:10.come in and take those come in and take those

:14:10. > :14:11.come in and take those responsibilities away. And a lot of

:14:11. > :14:12.responsibilities away. And a lot of responsibilities away. And a lot of

:14:12. > :14:14.responsibilities away. And a lot of young carers do not want us to take

:14:14. > :14:14.young carers do not want us to take young carers do not want us to take

:14:14. > :14:17.that responsibility. What they want that responsibility. What they want

:14:17. > :14:18.that responsibility. What they want is support to do it themselves.

:14:18. > :14:19.is support to do it themselves. is support to do it themselves.

:14:19. > :14:20.But recognising you are a young But recognising you are a young

:14:20. > :14:24.But recognising you are a young carer is one of the biggest

:14:24. > :14:25.carer is one of the biggest carer is one of the biggest

:14:25. > :14:26.challenges. A lot of the carers challenges. A lot of the carers

:14:26. > :14:27.challenges. A lot of the carers that have actually come here only

:14:27. > :14:28.that have actually come here only that have actually come here only

:14:28. > :14:29.that have actually come here only realise that they a carer when they

:14:29. > :14:30.realise that they a carer when they realise that they a carer when they

:14:30. > :14:31.came here. We have had some came here. We have had some

:14:31. > :14:32.came here. We have had some volunteers come along and after

:14:32. > :14:33.volunteers come along and after volunteers come along and after

:14:33. > :14:37.speaking to them, they are like, speaking to them, they are like,

:14:37. > :14:38.speaking to them, they are like, "Oh. I'm a carer." Yes.

:14:38. > :14:39."Oh. I'm a carer." Yes. "Oh. I'm a carer." Yes.

:14:39. > :14:41."Oh. I'm a carer." Yes. One of the people they are helping

:14:41. > :14:41.One of the people they are helping One of the people they are helping

:14:41. > :14:42.One of the people they are helping is Jasmin. She has been coming to

:14:42. > :14:46.is Jasmin. She has been coming to is Jasmin. She has been coming to

:14:46. > :14:47.Labelled since her dad died three Labelled since her dad died three

:14:47. > :14:48.Labelled since her dad died three months ago. Jasmin lives with her

:14:48. > :14:49.months ago. Jasmin lives with her months ago. Jasmin lives with her

:14:49. > :14:52.sister Kirsty and mum Julie who sister Kirsty and mum Julie who

:14:52. > :14:53.sister Kirsty and mum Julie who suffers from depression. She had

:14:53. > :14:53.suffers from depression. She had suffers from depression. She had

:14:53. > :14:54.suffers from depression. She had been helping to care for her dad

:14:54. > :14:55.been helping to care for her dad been helping to care for her dad

:14:55. > :14:56.since she first learned to walk. since she first learned to walk.

:14:56. > :14:57.since she first learned to walk. since she first learned to walk.

:14:57. > :14:59.He'd had a disease of the spine He'd had a disease of the spine

:14:59. > :15:00.which severely affected his which severely affected his

:15:00. > :15:01.which severely affected his mobility. One morning he collapsed

:15:01. > :15:02.mobility. One morning he collapsed mobility. One morning he collapsed

:15:02. > :15:03.mobility. One morning he collapsed in agony at home. Jasmin gave him

:15:03. > :15:03.in agony at home. Jasmin gave him in agony at home. Jasmin gave him

:15:03. > :15:05.CPR until the paramedics arrived, CPR until the paramedics arrived,

:15:05. > :15:06.CPR until the paramedics arrived, CPR until the paramedics arrived,

:15:06. > :15:07.CPR until the paramedics arrived, but it was too late. He died from a

:15:07. > :15:11.but it was too late. He died from a but it was too late. He died from a

:15:11. > :15:12.blood clot on the lungs. blood clot on the lungs.

:15:12. > :15:13.blood clot on the lungs. The paramedics said he had gone,

:15:13. > :15:14.The paramedics said he had gone, The paramedics said he had gone,

:15:14. > :15:17.The paramedics said he had gone, she just fell to the floor, we just

:15:17. > :15:21.she just fell to the floor, we just she just fell to the floor, we just

:15:22. > :15:23.cried together. It was horrible. I cried together. It was horrible. I

:15:23. > :15:24.cried together. It was horrible. I wish he was here now.

:15:24. > :15:25.wish he was here now. wish he was here now.

:15:25. > :15:30.wish he was here now. Jasmin is doing her best to help

:15:30. > :15:31.Jasmin is doing her best to help her mum through this.

:15:31. > :15:32.her mum through this. her mum through this.

:15:32. > :15:35.her mum through this. Mum doesn't like to sleep on her

:15:35. > :15:36.Mum doesn't like to sleep on her Mum doesn't like to sleep on her

:15:36. > :15:37.Mum doesn't like to sleep on her own at the minute. I guess that is

:15:37. > :15:38.own at the minute. I guess that is own at the minute. I guess that is

:15:38. > :15:39.partly because of everything that partly because of everything that

:15:39. > :15:39.partly because of everything that partly because of everything that

:15:39. > :15:40.is going through her mind and also is going through her mind and also

:15:41. > :15:41.is going through her mind and also is going through her mind and also

:15:41. > :15:42.the fact that she is so used to the fact that she is so used to

:15:42. > :15:43.the fact that she is so used to the fact that she is so used to

:15:43. > :15:47.having somebody next to her that it having somebody next to her that it

:15:47. > :15:48.having somebody next to her that it having somebody next to her that it

:15:48. > :15:49.is a comfort thing. She has been is a comfort thing. She has been

:15:49. > :15:49.is a comfort thing. She has been is a comfort thing. She has been

:15:49. > :15:50.left to manage her mum who suffers left to manage her mum who suffers

:15:50. > :15:51.left to manage her mum who suffers from bipolar, a mental health

:15:51. > :15:52.from bipolar, a mental health from bipolar, a mental health

:15:52. > :15:59.condition that means she can either condition that means she can either

:15:59. > :16:01.condition that means she can either There's times when I sort of feel

:16:01. > :16:01.There's times when I sort of feel There's times when I sort of feel

:16:01. > :16:02.There's times when I sort of feel There's times when I sort of feel

:16:02. > :16:03.that I want to go out and see my that I want to go out and see my

:16:03. > :16:04.that I want to go out and see my that I want to go out and see my

:16:04. > :16:05.friends but I do not feel I can friends but I do not feel I can

:16:05. > :16:06.friends but I do not feel I can friends but I do not feel I can

:16:06. > :16:07.because I want to be watching my because I want to be watching my

:16:07. > :16:08.because I want to be watching my because I want to be watching my

:16:08. > :16:09.mum, making sure she is OK and everything.

:16:09. > :16:10.everything. everything.

:16:10. > :16:12.everything. To top it all, they are now having

:16:12. > :16:13.To top it all, they are now having To top it all, they are now having

:16:13. > :16:14.To top it all, they are now having to move home. The council need the

:16:14. > :16:15.to move home. The council need the to move home. The council need the

:16:15. > :16:21.adapted house back for someone else adapted house back for someone else

:16:21. > :16:22.If you believe the official figures, If you believe the official figures,

:16:22. > :16:23.If you believe the official figures, there are around 175,000 children

:16:23. > :16:23.there are around 175,000 children there are around 175,000 children

:16:23. > :16:25.there are around 175,000 children who provide unpaid care to a family

:16:25. > :16:26.who provide unpaid care to a family who provide unpaid care to a family

:16:26. > :16:27.who provide unpaid care to a family member in the UK. But a survey by

:16:27. > :16:28.member in the UK. But a survey by member in the UK. But a survey by

:16:28. > :16:29.member in the UK. But a survey by the BBC found the actual number is

:16:29. > :16:30.the BBC found the actual number is the BBC found the actual number is

:16:30. > :16:31.the BBC found the actual number is four times that because so many do

:16:31. > :16:41.four times that because so many do four times that because so many do

:16:41. > :16:53.

:16:53. > :17:02.Reece has got ADHD, autism, mild Reece has got ADHD, autism, mild

:17:02. > :17:03.brain damage, global developmental He has non-epileptic fits, he is an

:17:03. > :17:04.He has non-epileptic fits, he is an He has non-epileptic fits, he is an

:17:04. > :17:11.asthmatic, he has got allergies, he asthmatic, he has got allergies, he

:17:11. > :17:12.asthmatic, he has got allergies, he suffers from chest infections. The

:17:12. > :17:13.suffers from chest infections. The suffers from chest infections. The

:17:13. > :17:17.suffers from chest infections. The fight that child has got in him

:17:17. > :17:18.fight that child has got in him does actually surprised me.

:17:18. > :17:19.does actually surprised me. does actually surprised me.

:17:19. > :17:20.does actually surprised me. Kylie is 13 and juggles school life

:17:20. > :17:22.Kylie is 13 and juggles school life Kylie is 13 and juggles school life

:17:22. > :17:23.with looking after her brother. She with looking after her brother. She

:17:23. > :17:24.with looking after her brother. She with looking after her brother. She

:17:24. > :17:25.tries to keep it secret because she tries to keep it secret because she

:17:25. > :17:26.tries to keep it secret because she has been bullied by other children

:17:26. > :17:27.has been bullied by other children has been bullied by other children

:17:27. > :17:29.has been bullied by other children in the past. Is that good? Do you

:17:29. > :17:30.like that? like that?

:17:30. > :17:31.like that? The judgements they make, like they

:17:31. > :17:32.The judgements they make, like they The judgements they make, like they

:17:32. > :17:33.The judgements they make, like they might talk behind my back, so I

:17:33. > :17:34.might talk behind my back, so I might talk behind my back, so I

:17:34. > :17:35.would rather not tell them about would rather not tell them about

:17:35. > :17:36.would rather not tell them about would rather not tell them about

:17:36. > :17:38.Reece and then they might not do it. Reece and then they might not do it.

:17:38. > :17:39.Reece and then they might not do it. I just keep it to myself.

:17:39. > :17:40.I just keep it to myself. I just keep it to myself.

:17:40. > :17:42.I just keep it to myself. At one point, I could not have done

:17:42. > :17:42.At one point, I could not have done At one point, I could not have done

:17:42. > :17:43.this without Kylie because I had this without Kylie because I had

:17:44. > :17:51.this without Kylie because I had this without Kylie because I had

:17:51. > :17:52.been ill myself, I could not have Put your hand on to the wrist, your

:17:52. > :17:53.Put your hand on to the wrist, your Put your hand on to the wrist, your

:17:53. > :17:55.Put your hand on to the wrist, your thumb extended onto the back of the

:17:55. > :17:56.hand. hand.

:17:56. > :17:56.hand. Tonight, Labelled is running a

:17:57. > :17:57.Tonight, Labelled is running a Tonight, Labelled is running a

:17:57. > :17:58.self-defence class and they have self-defence class and they have

:17:58. > :17:59.self-defence class and they have invited some people who could help

:17:59. > :18:00.invited some people who could help invited some people who could help

:18:00. > :18:01.the group in the future. Cheryl the group in the future. Cheryl

:18:01. > :18:02.the group in the future. Cheryl O'Neill is head of Leicester City

:18:02. > :18:03.O'Neill is head of Leicester City O'Neill is head of Leicester City

:18:03. > :18:06.Council's family services and Nikky Council's family services and Nikky

:18:06. > :18:16.Thompson is from Barnardos. Thompson is from Barnardos.

:18:16. > :18:18.

:18:18. > :18:24.Thompson is from Barnardos. Cheryl, are you glad you came down

:18:24. > :18:25.tonight? tonight?

:18:25. > :18:26.tonight? tonight?

:18:27. > :18:27.Very glad. It is really good to see Very glad. It is really good to see

:18:27. > :18:28.Very glad. It is really good to see the group that they described in

:18:28. > :18:29.the group that they described in the group that they described in

:18:29. > :18:30.action, very positive. And humbling action, very positive. And humbling

:18:30. > :18:32.in many respects. in many respects.

:18:32. > :18:32.in many respects. in many respects.

:18:32. > :18:33.Kylie has also come along. It is Kylie has also come along. It is

:18:33. > :18:34.Kylie has also come along. It is Kylie has also come along. It is

:18:34. > :18:35.the first time she has met the group.

:18:35. > :18:36.group. group.

:18:36. > :18:38.group. What did you learn? A couple of

:18:38. > :18:39.What did you learn? A couple of What did you learn? A couple of

:18:39. > :18:40.moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it

:18:40. > :18:40.moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it moves? Yes.Excellent. Was it

:18:40. > :18:41.tiring, because there is a lot of tiring, because there is a lot of

:18:41. > :18:42.tiring, because there is a lot of physical stuff there? I think I

:18:42. > :18:43.physical stuff there? I think I physical stuff there? I think I

:18:43. > :18:48.physical stuff there? I think I have gained a lot of confidence as

:18:48. > :18:49.have gained a lot of confidence as well. That's fantastic, excellent.

:18:49. > :18:52.well. That's fantastic, excellent. well. That's fantastic, excellent.

:18:52. > :18:53.You've got your own room? Jasmin You've got your own room? Jasmin

:18:53. > :18:54.You've got your own room? Jasmin You've got your own room? Jasmin

:18:54. > :18:55.and her mum and sister have finally and her mum and sister have finally

:18:55. > :18:56.and her mum and sister have finally and her mum and sister have finally

:18:56. > :18:57.been given a new home by the been given a new home by the

:18:57. > :19:05.been given a new home by the council and they are moving in

:19:05. > :19:06.It has been a rough road for these It has been a rough road for these

:19:06. > :19:09.It has been a rough road for these guys but things are starting to

:19:09. > :19:09.guys but things are starting to guys but things are starting to

:19:09. > :19:10.guys but things are starting to look up now. They have got quite a

:19:11. > :19:11.look up now. They have got quite a look up now. They have got quite a

:19:11. > :19:12.look up now. They have got quite a lot of work to do to make this

:19:12. > :19:13.lot of work to do to make this lot of work to do to make this

:19:13. > :19:14.lot of work to do to make this place a home, but with the right

:19:14. > :19:15.place a home, but with the right place a home, but with the right

:19:15. > :19:16.support, I reckon things are going support, I reckon things are going

:19:16. > :19:17.to look up. to look up.

:19:17. > :19:18.to look up. to look up.

:19:18. > :19:18.Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy

:19:19. > :19:22.Now, back in the 1930s, boxer Billy Evans was known as Shropshire's

:19:22. > :19:23.Evans was known as Shropshire's Evans was known as Shropshire's

:19:23. > :19:24.leading welterweight. But 80 years leading welterweight. But 80 years

:19:24. > :19:25.leading welterweight. But 80 years on, hardly anything is known about

:19:25. > :19:26.on, hardly anything is known about on, hardly anything is known about

:19:26. > :19:27.this forgotten fighter. So just how this forgotten fighter. So just how

:19:27. > :19:34.this forgotten fighter. So just how good was he? Richie Woodhall has

:19:34. > :19:35.good was he? Richie Woodhall has When I became world super

:19:35. > :19:36.When I became world super When I became world super

:19:36. > :19:37.middleweight champion in 1998, I middleweight champion in 1998, I

:19:37. > :19:38.middleweight champion in 1998, I thought I had managed to put

:19:38. > :19:43.thought I had managed to put thought I had managed to put

:19:43. > :19:44.Shropshire firmly on the sporting But I'm not sure I was the first

:19:44. > :19:45.But I'm not sure I was the first But I'm not sure I was the first

:19:45. > :19:46.But I'm not sure I was the first boxer from round here to do that.

:19:46. > :19:47.boxer from round here to do that. boxer from round here to do that.

:19:47. > :19:48.boxer from round here to do that. I have had this poster for seven or

:19:48. > :19:49.I have had this poster for seven or I have had this poster for seven or

:19:49. > :19:50.I have had this poster for seven or eight years, and there is one name

:19:50. > :19:51.eight years, and there is one name eight years, and there is one name

:19:51. > :19:52.eight years, and there is one name that has always intrigued me. It is

:19:52. > :19:55.that has always intrigued me. It is that has always intrigued me. It is

:19:55. > :19:56.this one here. Billy Evans. Why? this one here. Billy Evans. Why?

:19:56. > :19:57.this one here. Billy Evans. Why? Because he was from Wellington, he

:19:57. > :19:58.Because he was from Wellington, he was Shropshire's leading

:19:58. > :19:58.was Shropshire's leading was Shropshire's leading

:19:58. > :19:59.welterweight and this boxing fight, welterweight and this boxing fight,

:19:59. > :20:08.welterweight and this boxing fight, this tournament was, I think, from

:20:08. > :20:09.But I have always been dying to But I have always been dying to

:20:09. > :20:10.But I have always been dying to But I have always been dying to

:20:10. > :20:11.know more. If he was a leading know more. If he was a leading

:20:11. > :20:12.know more. If he was a leading know more. If he was a leading

:20:12. > :20:13.boxer, how come I have never heard boxer, how come I have never heard

:20:13. > :20:14.boxer, how come I have never heard boxer, how come I have never heard

:20:14. > :20:15.of him? The few records I have of him? The few records I have

:20:15. > :20:17.of him? The few records I have of him? The few records I have

:20:17. > :20:18.found suggest he was boxing in the found suggest he was boxing in the

:20:18. > :20:19.found suggest he was boxing in the 1930s. There was also a Buller

:20:19. > :20:22.1930s. There was also a Buller Evans, welterweight champion of

:20:22. > :20:24.Evans, welterweight champion of Evans, welterweight champion of

:20:24. > :20:25.Shropshire. I think that might be Shropshire. I think that might be

:20:25. > :20:26.Shropshire. I think that might be him too. Boxing was different in

:20:26. > :20:29.him too. Boxing was different in him too. Boxing was different in

:20:29. > :20:30.those days. It was much more those days. It was much more

:20:30. > :20:33.those days. It was much more widespread. Variety shows and fairs

:20:33. > :20:34.widespread. Variety shows and fairs staged fights for entertainment.

:20:34. > :20:35.staged fights for entertainment. Travelling boxing booths meant

:20:35. > :20:36.Travelling boxing booths meant Travelling boxing booths meant

:20:36. > :20:37.Travelling boxing booths meant anyone could get in the ring. The

:20:37. > :20:38.anyone could get in the ring. The anyone could get in the ring. The

:20:38. > :20:39.anyone could get in the ring. The country was also in the grip of a

:20:39. > :20:40.country was also in the grip of a country was also in the grip of a

:20:40. > :20:42.depression and men fought just to depression and men fought just to

:20:42. > :20:43.depression and men fought just to depression and men fought just to

:20:43. > :20:49.put food on the table. So who was put food on the table. So who was

:20:49. > :20:50.put food on the table. So who was Miles Templeton is boxing historian

:20:50. > :20:54.Miles Templeton is boxing historian Miles Templeton is boxing historian

:20:54. > :20:55.who holds fight records for over who holds fight records for over

:20:55. > :20:56.who holds fight records for over 36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell

:20:56. > :20:57.36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell 36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell

:20:57. > :21:01.36,000 boxers. If anyone can tell me about boxing in the 1930s, it is

:21:01. > :21:02.me about boxing in the 1930s, it is me about boxing in the 1930s, it is

:21:02. > :21:03.me about boxing in the 1930s, it is going to be him. There were many

:21:03. > :21:04.going to be him. There were many going to be him. There were many

:21:04. > :21:05.going to be him. There were many more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times

:21:05. > :21:05.more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times

:21:06. > :21:06.more boxers, perhaps 10 or 20 times the number that we have today. Lads

:21:06. > :21:07.the number that we have today. Lads were turning professional at

:21:07. > :21:08.were turning professional at were turning professional at

:21:08. > :21:09.were turning professional at perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which

:21:09. > :21:11.perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which perhaps 14 or 15 years old. Which

:21:11. > :21:12.certainly is not the case today. certainly is not the case today.

:21:12. > :21:13.certainly is not the case today. certainly is not the case today.

:21:13. > :21:13.They were having a lot of fights They were having a lot of fights

:21:13. > :21:14.They were having a lot of fights and not earning necessarily that

:21:15. > :21:15.and not earning necessarily that and not earning necessarily that

:21:15. > :21:16.much money. In Wellington for much money. In Wellington for

:21:16. > :21:17.much money. In Wellington for instance, in the 1930s, there was

:21:17. > :21:18.instance, in the 1930s, there was instance, in the 1930s, there was

:21:18. > :21:19.instance, in the 1930s, there was boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at

:21:19. > :21:20.boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at

:21:20. > :21:21.boxing at the Town Hall, boxing at Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and

:21:21. > :21:22.Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and Baths Hall, and the Drill Hall and

:21:22. > :21:25.also at the football ground. This also at the football ground. This

:21:25. > :21:26.is professional boxing in is professional boxing in

:21:26. > :21:27.is professional boxing in Wellington. What about our boxer,

:21:27. > :21:28.Wellington. What about our boxer, Wellington. What about our boxer,

:21:28. > :21:31.Billy Evans? Have you found out Billy Evans? Have you found out

:21:31. > :21:31.Billy Evans? Have you found out Billy Evans? Have you found out

:21:31. > :21:32.anything about him? I have, yes. I anything about him? I have, yes. I

:21:32. > :21:34.anything about him? I have, yes. I anything about him? I have, yes. I

:21:34. > :21:34.have found a record of him boxing have found a record of him boxing

:21:34. > :21:35.have found a record of him boxing have found a record of him boxing

:21:35. > :21:36.in quite a number of places around in quite a number of places around

:21:36. > :21:37.in quite a number of places around here, including in Wellington. Also

:21:37. > :21:38.here, including in Wellington. Also here, including in Wellington. Also

:21:38. > :21:43.here, including in Wellington. Also at Oreleton Park, in the open air,

:21:43. > :21:44.at Oreleton Park, in the open air, at Oreleton Park, in the open air,

:21:44. > :21:45.at Oreleton Park, in the open air, in the late '30s. Also, he boxed

:21:45. > :21:46.in the late '30s. Also, he boxed in the late '30s. Also, he boxed

:21:46. > :21:47.over in Lincolnshire which is, I over in Lincolnshire which is, I

:21:47. > :21:48.over in Lincolnshire which is, I think, where your poster is from,

:21:48. > :21:49.think, where your poster is from, think, where your poster is from,

:21:49. > :21:50.Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park

:21:50. > :21:51.Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park Spalding. The show at Oreleton Park

:21:51. > :21:52.took place in 1936. I have got the took place in 1936. I have got the

:21:52. > :21:55.took place in 1936. I have got the report here from Boxing News. Here

:21:56. > :21:56.report here from Boxing News. Here report here from Boxing News. Here

:21:56. > :21:57.report here from Boxing News. Here it is. Wellington. And up here is

:21:57. > :21:58.it is. Wellington. And up here is it is. Wellington. And up here is

:21:58. > :22:01.your man Billy, or referred to your man Billy, or referred to

:22:01. > :22:02.your man Billy, or referred to your man Billy, or referred to

:22:02. > :22:03.there as Buller Evans. Is this the there as Buller Evans. Is this the

:22:03. > :22:06.there as Buller Evans. Is this the there as Buller Evans. Is this the

:22:06. > :22:07.same man, yes? I think it is, yes. same man, yes? I think it is, yes.

:22:07. > :22:07.same man, yes? I think it is, yes. same man, yes? I think it is, yes.

:22:07. > :22:08.His name is Billy Evans and he His name is Billy Evans and he

:22:08. > :22:10.His name is Billy Evans and he probably has the nickname Buller

:22:10. > :22:11.probably has the nickname Buller probably has the nickname Buller

:22:11. > :22:12.Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings

:22:12. > :22:13.Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings Evans. Billy Buller Evans rings

:22:13. > :22:14.true. In your opinion, what are my true. In your opinion, what are my

:22:14. > :22:17.true. In your opinion, what are my chances of finding out any more

:22:17. > :22:18.chances of finding out any more chances of finding out any more

:22:18. > :22:19.about Billy Evans? Well, going back about Billy Evans? Well, going back

:22:19. > :22:20.about Billy Evans? Well, going back to old documents, you'll find

:22:20. > :22:21.to old documents, you'll find to old documents, you'll find

:22:21. > :22:23.reference to him, particularly in reference to him, particularly in

:22:23. > :22:24.reference to him, particularly in the library, the old newspapers.

:22:24. > :22:25.the library, the old newspapers. the library, the old newspapers.

:22:25. > :22:30.the library, the old newspapers. There will be reports on him in

:22:30. > :22:31.There will be reports on him in There will be reports on him in

:22:31. > :22:32.There will be reports on him in there. But to make him come alive,

:22:32. > :22:33.there. But to make him come alive, there. But to make him come alive,

:22:33. > :22:34.there. But to make him come alive, I think you will have to find... It

:22:34. > :22:35.I think you will have to find... It I think you will have to find... It

:22:35. > :22:36.I think you will have to find... It is not going to be easy. I think

:22:36. > :22:37.is not going to be easy. I think is not going to be easy. I think

:22:37. > :22:38.is not going to be easy. I think you will have to find some living

:22:38. > :22:39.you will have to find some living you will have to find some living

:22:39. > :22:40.you will have to find some living relative who will be able to paint

:22:40. > :22:41.relative who will be able to paint relative who will be able to paint

:22:41. > :22:42.relative who will be able to paint a more complete picture of the man.

:22:42. > :22:42.a more complete picture of the man. a more complete picture of the man.

:22:42. > :22:43.Billy Buller Evans. He was Billy Buller Evans. He was

:22:43. > :22:44.Billy Buller Evans. He was definitely a boxer. Never heard of

:22:44. > :22:45.him. OK. him. OK.

:22:45. > :22:46.him. OK. him. OK.

:22:46. > :22:47.I think Miles is right. The chances I think Miles is right. The chances

:22:47. > :22:48.I think Miles is right. The chances of finding anything about him or

:22:48. > :22:49.of finding anything about him or of finding anything about him or

:22:49. > :22:50.his family look very slim indeed. his family look very slim indeed.

:22:50. > :22:55.his family look very slim indeed. No-one seems to have heard about

:22:55. > :22:56.So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if

:22:56. > :22:57.So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if So I ask BBC radio Shropshire if

:22:57. > :22:58.they can help me find out anything about him.

:22:58. > :22:59.about him. about him.

:22:59. > :23:00.Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out

:23:00. > :23:01.Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out Our colleagues at BBC Inside Out

:23:01. > :23:02.are doing some research so they can are doing some research so they can

:23:02. > :23:05.are doing some research so they can tell the story of a Shropshire

:23:05. > :23:05.tell the story of a Shropshire tell the story of a Shropshire

:23:05. > :23:08.tell the story of a Shropshire boxer from the 1930s. He was called

:23:08. > :23:09.Billy Evans. Billy Evans.

:23:09. > :23:11.Billy Evans. You will never guess what happens

:23:11. > :23:12.next. next.

:23:12. > :23:13.next. Here's something for you because I

:23:13. > :23:14.Here's something for you because I Here's something for you because I

:23:14. > :23:15.remember that in my mother and remember that in my mother and

:23:15. > :23:16.remember that in my mother and father-in-law's house, they have a

:23:16. > :23:17.father-in-law's house, they have a father-in-law's house, they have a

:23:17. > :23:21.boxing poster, similar to the one boxing poster, similar to the one

:23:21. > :23:22.boxing poster, similar to the one you have described. I phoned my

:23:22. > :23:23.you have described. I phoned my you have described. I phoned my

:23:23. > :23:24.mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago

:23:24. > :23:25.mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago mother-in-law about 15 minutes ago

:23:25. > :23:27.to get her to check if the name to get her to check if the name

:23:27. > :23:28.to get her to check if the name to get her to check if the name

:23:28. > :23:29.Billy Evans was on there. This is Billy Evans was on there. This is

:23:29. > :23:30.Billy Evans was on there. This is from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth.

:23:30. > :23:33.from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth. from the Drill Hall in Bridgnorth.

:23:33. > :23:34.Thursday, December the 8th, 1932. Thursday, December the 8th, 1932.

:23:35. > :23:35.Thursday, December the 8th, 1932. Thursday, December the 8th, 1932.

:23:35. > :23:36.It is the original poster and they It is the original poster and they

:23:36. > :23:37.It is the original poster and they It is the original poster and they

:23:37. > :23:38.have had it framed. Billy Evans is have had it framed. Billy Evans is

:23:38. > :23:39.have had it framed. Billy Evans is fighting a six round contest

:23:39. > :23:40.fighting a six round contest fighting a six round contest

:23:40. > :23:41.against Bert Kid Johnson and that against Bert Kid Johnson and that

:23:41. > :23:43.against Bert Kid Johnson and that is her father. My mother-in-law's

:23:43. > :23:44.is her father. My mother-in-law's is her father. My mother-in-law's

:23:44. > :23:46.is her father. My mother-in-law's father. That is... Are you having a

:23:46. > :23:46.father. That is... Are you having a father. That is... Are you having a

:23:46. > :23:48.father. That is... Are you having a laugh? No, I am honestly not having

:23:48. > :23:49.laugh? No, I am honestly not having laugh? No, I am honestly not having

:23:49. > :23:50.laugh? No, I am honestly not having a laugh. I could not believe it

:23:50. > :23:50.a laugh. I could not believe it a laugh. I could not believe it

:23:50. > :23:51.a laugh. I could not believe it either. She came back to the phone

:23:51. > :23:58.either. She came back to the phone either. She came back to the phone

:23:58. > :23:59.and said, "Yes, he's fighting my That was amazing. I really feel I

:23:59. > :23:59.That was amazing. I really feel I That was amazing. I really feel I

:23:59. > :24:02.That was amazing. I really feel I am that close to finding out who

:24:02. > :24:03.am that close to finding out who am that close to finding out who

:24:03. > :24:04.am that close to finding out who this guy was. But it is also

:24:04. > :24:04.this guy was. But it is also this guy was. But it is also

:24:04. > :24:05.frustrating because we still have frustrating because we still have

:24:05. > :24:09.frustrating because we still have not found anyone who actually knew

:24:09. > :24:09.not found anyone who actually knew not found anyone who actually knew

:24:09. > :24:10.not found anyone who actually knew him. So we try tweeting about him

:24:10. > :24:11.him. So we try tweeting about him him. So we try tweeting about him

:24:11. > :24:12.him. So we try tweeting about him as well. Am I ever going to find

:24:12. > :24:13.as well. Am I ever going to find as well. Am I ever going to find

:24:13. > :24:14.as well. Am I ever going to find out who this guy was? Just an hour

:24:14. > :24:15.out who this guy was? Just an hour out who this guy was? Just an hour

:24:15. > :24:18.later, there is a reply from later, there is a reply from

:24:18. > :24:19.later, there is a reply from someone at Wellington News. Could

:24:19. > :24:22.someone at Wellington News. Could someone at Wellington News. Could

:24:22. > :24:23.this be the breakthrough I'm this be the breakthrough I'm

:24:23. > :24:25.this be the breakthrough I'm looking for? We may have found

:24:25. > :24:26.looking for? We may have found somebody who knew Billy.

:24:26. > :24:27.somebody who knew Billy. somebody who knew Billy.

:24:27. > :24:29.He was actually a fairground boxer, He was actually a fairground boxer,

:24:29. > :24:30.He was actually a fairground boxer, boxing in the booths. I believe

:24:30. > :24:31.boxing in the booths. I believe boxing in the booths. I believe

:24:31. > :24:32.boxing in the booths. I believe that he didn't lose one fight, so

:24:32. > :24:35.that he didn't lose one fight, so that he didn't lose one fight, so

:24:35. > :24:36.that he didn't lose one fight, so he must have been very, very tough.

:24:36. > :24:38.he must have been very, very tough. he must have been very, very tough.

:24:38. > :24:39.Martin's wife lived next door to Martin's wife lived next door to

:24:39. > :24:40.Martin's wife lived next door to Martin's wife lived next door to

:24:40. > :24:41.Billy when she was growing up. At Billy when she was growing up. At

:24:41. > :24:42.Billy when she was growing up. At Billy when she was growing up. At

:24:42. > :24:43.last, I get to hear something about last, I get to hear something about

:24:43. > :24:44.last, I get to hear something about last, I get to hear something about

:24:44. > :24:45.the man himself. Did you ever step the man himself. Did you ever step

:24:45. > :24:46.the man himself. Did you ever step the man himself. Did you ever step

:24:46. > :24:47.in the ring with him? Sort of. One in the ring with him? Sort of. One

:24:47. > :24:48.in the ring with him? Sort of. One in the ring with him? Sort of. One

:24:48. > :24:49.day, he said to me, "I want to day, he said to me, "I want to

:24:49. > :24:50.day, he said to me, "I want to demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't

:24:50. > :24:51.demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't

:24:51. > :24:52.demonstrate my knockout blow. Don't worry, I'm not really going to hit

:24:52. > :24:53.worry, I'm not really going to hit worry, I'm not really going to hit

:24:53. > :24:54.worry, I'm not really going to hit you." He gave me a slight tap on

:24:54. > :24:55.you." He gave me a slight tap on you." He gave me a slight tap on

:24:55. > :24:56.you." He gave me a slight tap on the chin and it nearly took my head

:24:56. > :24:57.the chin and it nearly took my head the chin and it nearly took my head

:24:57. > :24:58.the chin and it nearly took my head off. I thought, "My God, if you are

:24:58. > :24:58.off. I thought, "My God, if you are off. I thought, "My God, if you are

:24:58. > :24:59.off. I thought, "My God, if you are this tough now in your 90s, what

:24:59. > :25:00.this tough now in your 90s, what this tough now in your 90s, what

:25:00. > :25:01.this tough now in your 90s, what must it have been like facing you

:25:01. > :25:02.must it have been like facing you must it have been like facing you

:25:02. > :25:03.must it have been like facing you in the boxing ring?" And his family,

:25:03. > :25:04.in the boxing ring?" And his family, in the boxing ring?" And his family,

:25:04. > :25:05.in the boxing ring?" And his family, are there any of his family around?

:25:05. > :25:05.are there any of his family around? are there any of his family around?

:25:05. > :25:06.are there any of his family around? Yes, I believe his son Ray lives

:25:06. > :25:07.Yes, I believe his son Ray lives Yes, I believe his son Ray lives

:25:07. > :25:09.over in Leominster. So Buller has over in Leominster. So Buller has

:25:09. > :25:10.over in Leominster. So Buller has got a son. Fantastic. A living

:25:10. > :25:11.got a son. Fantastic. A living got a son. Fantastic. A living

:25:11. > :25:12.got a son. Fantastic. A living relative. He can tell me all about

:25:12. > :25:13.relative. He can tell me all about relative. He can tell me all about

:25:13. > :25:14.relative. He can tell me all about his fights. I believe his name is

:25:14. > :25:15.his fights. I believe his name is his fights. I believe his name is

:25:15. > :25:21.Ray. He lives in Leominster, let's Ray. He lives in Leominster, let's

:25:21. > :25:22.And it gets better. There is still And it gets better. There is still

:25:22. > :25:22.And it gets better. There is still And it gets better. There is still

:25:22. > :25:24.a Ray Evans living at the address a Ray Evans living at the address

:25:24. > :25:26.a Ray Evans living at the address Martin gave me. Hello, this is

:25:26. > :25:27.Martin gave me. Hello, this is Martin gave me. Hello, this is

:25:27. > :25:30.Richie Woodhall here. And I Richie Woodhall here. And I

:25:30. > :25:31.Richie Woodhall here. And I Richie Woodhall here. And I

:25:31. > :25:34.speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are, speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are,

:25:34. > :25:35.speaking to Dr Ray Evans? You are, yes. Hello, there.I am fine,

:25:35. > :25:38.yes. Hello, there.I am fine, yes. Hello, there.I am fine,

:25:38. > :25:39.yes. Hello, there.I am fine, thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am

:25:39. > :25:40.thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am thanks. A bit of a surprise. I am

:25:40. > :25:41.looking for an old boxer from looking for an old boxer from

:25:41. > :25:42.Wellington, Shropshire, called Wellington, Shropshire, called

:25:42. > :25:48.Wellington, Shropshire, called Billy Buller Evans. Do you know

:25:48. > :25:49.Billy Buller Evans. Do you know Billy Buller Evans. Do you know

:25:49. > :25:51.Billy Buller Evans. Do you know anything about him? Yes. He was my

:25:51. > :25:54.anything about him? Yes. He was my anything about him? Yes. He was my

:25:54. > :25:56.father. He was your father? My father. He was your father? My

:25:56. > :25:58.father. He was your father? My father. That's fantastic! The old

:25:58. > :26:01.father. That's fantastic! The old father. That's fantastic! The old

:26:01. > :26:02.Buller. Yes. The old Buller. Buller. Yes. The old Buller.

:26:02. > :26:03.Buller. Yes. The old Buller. Buller. Yes. The old Buller.

:26:03. > :26:04.Tremendous. Can I come and see you Tremendous. Can I come and see you

:26:04. > :26:13.Tremendous. Can I come and see you Tremendous. Can I come and see you

:26:13. > :26:14.and talk about him to you? Well, of He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why

:26:14. > :26:15.He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why

:26:15. > :26:17.He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why He was born in 1900 in Bolton. Why

:26:17. > :26:18.Bolton I do not know. He was not a Bolton I do not know. He was not a

:26:18. > :26:22.Bolton I do not know. He was not a Shropshire man. This was a bit

:26:22. > :26:23.Shropshire man. This was a bit Shropshire man. This was a bit

:26:23. > :26:25.Shropshire man. This was a bit mysterious. I do not know where my

:26:25. > :26:25.mysterious. I do not know where my mysterious. I do not know where my

:26:25. > :26:26.grandfather was born. Anyhow, in grandfather was born. Anyhow, in

:26:26. > :26:31.grandfather was born. Anyhow, in grandfather was born. Anyhow, in

:26:31. > :26:33.1900, he took off to Ireland from 1900, he took off to Ireland from

:26:33. > :26:34.1900, he took off to Ireland from Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My

:26:34. > :26:35.Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My

:26:35. > :26:36.Bolton. Again, nobody knows why. My father was only a baby and he spent

:26:36. > :26:37.father was only a baby and he spent father was only a baby and he spent

:26:37. > :26:40.father was only a baby and he spent the first 12 years of his life in

:26:40. > :26:41.the first 12 years of his life in the first 12 years of his life in

:26:41. > :26:42.Ireland. After they returned to Ireland. After they returned to

:26:42. > :26:43.Ireland. After they returned to England, Billy joined the Army and

:26:43. > :26:43.England, Billy joined the Army and England, Billy joined the Army and

:26:43. > :26:44.England, Billy joined the Army and it was here that he began boxing.

:26:45. > :26:45.it was here that he began boxing. Eventually, he settled in

:26:45. > :26:46.Eventually, he settled in Eventually, he settled in

:26:47. > :26:52.Wellington and continued to box in Wellington and continued to box in

:26:52. > :26:53.Wellington and continued to box in the fairground booths. He started

:26:53. > :26:55.the fairground booths. He started the fairground booths. He started

:26:55. > :26:56.boxing with Albert Barton's boxing boxing with Albert Barton's boxing

:26:56. > :26:57.boxing with Albert Barton's boxing booth. For long periods, he was

:26:57. > :27:04.booth. For long periods, he was booth. For long periods, he was

:27:04. > :27:05.away with the booth travelling. away with the booth travelling.

:27:05. > :27:06.away with the booth travelling. Periodically, when he came home, he

:27:06. > :27:07.Periodically, when he came home, he Periodically, when he came home, he

:27:07. > :27:09.would get a telegram from Albert would get a telegram from Albert

:27:09. > :27:10.would get a telegram from Albert saying, "Can you come?" With some

:27:10. > :27:11.saying, "Can you come?" With some saying, "Can you come?" With some

:27:11. > :27:12.money for the fair. Wherever they money for the fair. Wherever they

:27:12. > :27:13.money for the fair. Wherever they money for the fair. Wherever they

:27:13. > :27:14.were. And he went on boxing with were. And he went on boxing with

:27:14. > :27:18.were. And he went on boxing with the booth until about the early

:27:18. > :27:19.the booth until about the early the booth until about the early

:27:19. > :27:20.the booth until about the early 1930s. I've got a poster of him

:27:20. > :27:23.1930s. I've got a poster of him 1930s. I've got a poster of him

:27:23. > :27:24.from the mid-30s, about about 1936. from the mid-30s, about about 1936.

:27:25. > :27:29.from the mid-30s, about about 1936. from the mid-30s, about about 1936.

:27:29. > :27:30.He was around 40 years of age then. He was around 40 years of age then.

:27:30. > :27:31.He was around 40 years of age then. He was around 40 years of age then.

:27:31. > :27:32.I think almost his last fight was I think almost his last fight was

:27:32. > :27:35.I think almost his last fight was at the Conservative fete in

:27:35. > :27:36.at the Conservative fete in at the Conservative fete in

:27:37. > :27:39.Wellington in 1936. With this chap Wellington in 1936. With this chap

:27:40. > :27:40.Wellington in 1936. With this chap called Jack Seesarego. It's one of

:27:40. > :27:43.called Jack Seesarego. It's one of called Jack Seesarego. It's one of

:27:43. > :27:44.called Jack Seesarego. It's one of the few fights I actually saw. He

:27:44. > :27:45.the few fights I actually saw. He won it on points.

:27:45. > :27:46.won it on points. won it on points.

:27:46. > :27:48.won it on points. And Ray had one last surprise for

:27:48. > :27:49.And Ray had one last surprise for And Ray had one last surprise for

:27:49. > :27:50.And Ray had one last surprise for me. That is the bill I have got!

:27:50. > :27:51.me. That is the bill I have got! me. That is the bill I have got!

:27:51. > :27:52.me. That is the bill I have got! That's the one I've got. The actual

:27:52. > :27:53.That's the one I've got. The actual That's the one I've got. The actual

:27:53. > :27:54.That's the one I've got. The actual bill. That is the one I've got.

:27:54. > :27:54.bill. That is the one I've got. bill. That is the one I've got.

:27:54. > :27:56.bill. That is the one I've got. I've got the larger version of that.

:27:56. > :27:57.I've got the larger version of that. I've got the larger version of that.

:27:57. > :27:58.Billy Evans. I've been looking at Billy Evans. I've been looking at

:27:58. > :27:59.Billy Evans. I've been looking at this for years thinking, "Who is

:27:59. > :28:01.this for years thinking, "Who is this fellow from Wellington?"

:28:01. > :28:03.this fellow from Wellington?" Shropshire's leading welter. That

:28:03. > :28:06.Shropshire's leading welter. That Shropshire's leading welter. That

:28:06. > :28:07.Shropshire's leading welter. That is it. Billy Buller Evans. The so-

:28:07. > :28:16.is it. Billy Buller Evans. The so- called welterweight champion of

:28:16. > :28:17.called welterweight champion of Well, that's it for tonight. Don't

:28:17. > :28:18.Well, that's it for tonight. Don't Well, that's it for tonight. Don't

:28:18. > :28:19.forget, you can find more forget, you can find more

:28:19. > :28:20.forget, you can find more information about any of the films

:28:20. > :28:21.information about any of the films information about any of the films

:28:21. > :28:22.on tonight's programme on our on tonight's programme on our

:28:22. > :28:23.on tonight's programme on our Facebook page. But from Birmingham

:28:23. > :28:31.Facebook page. But from Birmingham Facebook page. But from Birmingham

:28:31. > :28:32.City Amateur Boxing Club, good On next week's programme, we look

:28:32. > :28:33.On next week's programme, we look On next week's programme, we look

:28:33. > :28:37.On next week's programme, we look at the �615 million black hole in

:28:37. > :28:38.at the �615 million black hole in Birmingham City Council's finances.

:28:38. > :28:39.Birmingham City Council's finances. Birmingham City Council's finances.

:28:39. > :28:40.Birmingham City Council's finances. And a Brummie teenager asks the man

:28:40. > :28:41.And a Brummie teenager asks the man And a Brummie teenager asks the man

:28:41. > :28:43.And a Brummie teenager asks the man at the top what hope there is for