:00:08. > :00:14.Hello, I am down on the farm pondering the future for the dairy
:00:14. > :00:21.farmers. The year was punctuated by price cuts and protest. Also on
:00:21. > :00:26.show. We investigate the Birmingham men convicted of plotting a
:00:26. > :00:31.terrorist outrage. I noticed that he was very extreme in his
:00:31. > :00:41.interpretation of Islam. Even within extremist foals he was
:00:41. > :00:43.extreme. Tomorrow burning and -- Tomorrow,
:00:43. > :00:46.Birmingham's 120 city councillors look set to approve next year's
:00:46. > :00:48.budget. Depending on your political persuasion, it will lead to
:00:48. > :00:51.swingeing multi-million pound cuts, or much-needed multi-million pound
:00:51. > :01:01.savings. So what will it mean for the million people governed by
:01:01. > :01:09.
:01:09. > :01:16.Politics is all matter of opinion. Whether you are a Cabinet minister.
:01:16. > :01:19.I am cheering you on. A council boss Eric Pickles has actually put
:01:19. > :01:23.politics into this - because he's front loaded the cuts. A religious
:01:23. > :01:26.leader. If there's less to go round we must share it as well as we can.
:01:26. > :01:36.Or just one of the millions of unheard voices, searching for
:01:36. > :01:38.answers. What hope can you give young people? We're 118 miles from
:01:38. > :01:48.Westminster. Right here, the Government's money problems mean
:01:48. > :01:50.nothing to volunteer youth worker Dale Jukes and his friends. This
:01:50. > :01:55.Saturday club, based at the Stonehouse Gang in Selly Oak, is
:01:55. > :02:02.only here because of Dale. The previous one ran out of cash. Dale
:02:02. > :02:06.took over and there are a lot of grateful parents. There is little
:02:07. > :02:12.in the area for children on Saturday with special needs. This
:02:12. > :02:15.is a valuable centre. Dale has been a member of the Stonehouse Gang for
:02:15. > :02:19.more than 10 years now and has direct experience of budget cuts.
:02:19. > :02:25.Two years ago his youth club was told it would lose a grant worth
:02:25. > :02:32.twenty thousand pounds. Somebody has not done maths properly. We are
:02:32. > :02:35.in a mess and somebody has to suffer. Youth leaders are very down
:02:35. > :02:38.and the youth are suffering because of their future. For 75 years now,
:02:38. > :02:41.the Stonehouse Gang has provided valuable support to young people
:02:41. > :02:46.like Dale - the determination to fight on despite the cuts is
:02:46. > :02:48.obvious. Dale is clearly doing everything he can to make a
:02:48. > :02:57.difference, but it's hard work Dale's got a reasonable grasp of
:02:57. > :03:01.what's going on. When you see David Cameron and George Osborne on the
:03:01. > :03:05.national level and local politicians making decisions, do
:03:05. > :03:12.they have any idea what it is like to be a young person today? They
:03:12. > :03:17.don't. It is a blinkered view. Not all young people recognise that and
:03:17. > :03:20.work like that. They need the services to guide them. I think
:03:20. > :03:27.they need to look at our level and recognise we are here for
:03:27. > :03:30.Birmingham as well. He has a grasp of what's going on. But he's up for
:03:31. > :03:39.a maths lesson - and we're going to give him the chance to meet the
:03:39. > :03:46.political powerbrokers. This is the scale of the cuts the council has
:03:46. > :03:49.to make. By 2017, Birmingham City Council needs to save �615m. Next
:03:49. > :03:59.year the council needs to save �102m, and the department looking
:03:59. > :04:00.
:04:00. > :04:07.after children, young people and families will lose �24m. Put that
:04:07. > :04:15.into context. They need to save �70m more than it cost to build the
:04:15. > :04:21.city's new hospital. It is a lot of money. They can't cut that from
:04:21. > :04:25.vulnerable people. It's interesting to see on which parts of that 24
:04:25. > :04:31.million effects of the families and young people of Birmingham. It's a
:04:31. > :04:34.big problem. Definitely. Birmingham will have to cut
:04:34. > :04:42.services to bridge the six hundred and fifteen million pound funding
:04:42. > :04:45.gap. Can Dale be convinced that's fair? I think local government is
:04:45. > :04:53.fantastic. This is the man controlling the purse strings -
:04:53. > :04:57.Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles. In 2013 is your year. We
:04:57. > :05:07.have made sure, unlike other parts of the public sector you're not
:05:07. > :05:11.
:05:11. > :05:15.facing an extra 1% cut. The radical, B grade. Be bold. -- the brave.
:05:15. > :05:22.Make good our expectations. This isn't just the right way, it's the
:05:22. > :05:26.only way to go. What do you think of what Mr Pickles says? He had
:05:26. > :05:31.some good points but we need to get on with it and make the cuts. In
:05:31. > :05:36.some cases it's difficult. You cannot cut everywhere and get on
:05:36. > :05:40.with life because it is affecting society. It is a balancing act.
:05:40. > :05:43.is a difficult job to the person who needs to make the cuts. That
:05:43. > :05:48.person is Sir Albert Bore. He's the leader of Birmingham City Council
:05:48. > :05:51.and controls a three point five billion pound budget. And most of
:05:51. > :05:54.that money is given to him by Central Government. Ahead of
:05:54. > :06:02.tomorrow's budget meeting, Sir Albert faced city residents. The
:06:03. > :06:07.mood was clear. The people of Birmingham did not create the
:06:07. > :06:11.deficit and the people of Birmingham should not pay for it.
:06:11. > :06:19.am proud to be a Brummie but I am ashamed to say what we leaving the
:06:19. > :06:29.kids? Not a lot. There is an alternative. Show courage and stand
:06:29. > :06:38.up. Reducing society. Sir Albert describes the budget cuts as "the
:06:38. > :06:43.jaws of doom" but knows he must balance the books. It's the law.
:06:43. > :06:48.Eric Pickles wants local government to be bold and brave. How will you
:06:48. > :06:52.rise to the challenge? We will do that. We look at the services in
:06:53. > :06:57.the way we are overcoming months. People will be able to see what it
:06:57. > :07:03.is we're spending the money on. Exactly what we spend the money on
:07:03. > :07:08.and they can take a view over which services we can decommission. It's
:07:08. > :07:11.the end of local government as I know it. They will be local
:07:11. > :07:15.government but local government will have to operate differently,
:07:15. > :07:18.it will have to operate in partnership with other services.
:07:18. > :07:25.They would have to be more focused as to what we are delivering and
:07:25. > :07:31.what other people should deliver. What hope can you give young people
:07:31. > :07:37.who are vulnerable? If we continue to talk to young people, if we try
:07:37. > :07:42.to ensure we know what they want, we listen to them and we take up
:07:42. > :07:47.their ideas then I think we can turn that into hope for young
:07:47. > :07:51.people, hopefully we can insure the services they are looking for, the
:07:52. > :08:00.facilities they want to see are maintained and can be maintained.
:08:00. > :08:05.That is where the hope lies. But is hope enough to win over Dale?
:08:06. > :08:11.came across confident about the cuts and how he will try not to
:08:11. > :08:14.affect society but I am not sure how he would do that. There are
:08:14. > :08:18.large cuts. Dale's heard from the political heavyweights shaping
:08:18. > :08:21.Birmingham's future. But not all leaders are politicians. David
:08:21. > :08:29.Urquhart is the ninth Bishop of Birmingham - and we met him at a
:08:29. > :08:33.new church in Sparkbrook. His vision is clear. The we need to
:08:33. > :08:38.pull together as a community, we must make sure those who are most
:08:38. > :08:43.vulnerable are included in any decision and their needs are met,
:08:43. > :08:47.we must expect to take some sacrifice for those of us were
:08:47. > :08:53.better off. And that will be painful. This is a wonderful city
:08:53. > :08:57.to live in, a resourceful and talented and we are in a crisis
:08:57. > :09:03.because of the national funding regime and we need to use this
:09:03. > :09:11.guess resources to make this an even better city than it is.
:09:11. > :09:16.journey is at an end. What is his verdict? It's been a good journey
:09:16. > :09:21.to see the different roles to see where the money goes and to make a
:09:21. > :09:27.difference. We except the cuts are coming, they have all reassured me
:09:27. > :09:32.that they will be hopeful about the cuts and think about society when
:09:32. > :09:42.they make the cuts. I am more positive from the day we had. All
:09:42. > :09:47.
:09:47. > :09:55.we can do now is it back. You can watch my interviews on Facebook.
:09:55. > :09:59.And you can also e-mail me. Still to come: We take eight
:09:59. > :10:04.Staffordshire Farmer to meet the dairy farmers banding together to
:10:04. > :10:07.drive up milk profits on the Isle of Wight and ask if it could work
:10:07. > :10:12.in the Midlands. It is make or break. If it doesn't
:10:12. > :10:16.work there will be few dairy farmers left.
:10:16. > :10:21.Last Thursday and three men from Birmingham were found guilty of
:10:21. > :10:31.plotting a bombing outrage in the UK. He were these men and how did
:10:31. > :10:33.
:10:33. > :10:35.their extremist views develop? The three men have gone on trial at...
:10:35. > :10:38.It's September 2011. Three men from Birmingham have been arrested over
:10:38. > :10:45.a terrorist plot prosecutors say could have been bigger than the 7/7
:10:45. > :10:48.bombings. I know he thought of this country as a land of war. This is
:10:49. > :10:53.the story behind the headlines - the story of who these men are and
:10:53. > :10:56.how extremism like this can grow in a city like Birmingham.
:10:56. > :11:05.He was an oddball, he was delusional, he was someone really
:11:05. > :11:10.on the edge of society. Sparkbrook in Birmingham- the small shops and
:11:10. > :11:15.businesses are getting ready for another busy day. People here are
:11:15. > :11:20.hardworking but times are tough. Unemployment is double the national
:11:20. > :11:26.average. Half the children live in poverty. But along with its
:11:26. > :11:28.neighbour Sparkhill, there's a darker statistic. From these
:11:28. > :11:38.Birmingham streets, say the police, springs the greatest threat from
:11:38. > :11:41.
:11:41. > :11:43.Al-Qaeda inspired terrorism outside of London. What happened here in
:11:43. > :11:48.20th September 11 it shocked this local community as much as anyone
:11:48. > :11:58.else in the country. The three burning and men arrested and
:11:58. > :12:05.
:12:05. > :12:09.accused of plotting to carry out Irfan Naseer from Sparkhill was the
:12:10. > :12:12.Emir, the leader of the plot, a university graduate in chemistry.
:12:12. > :12:16.Along with Irfan Khalid from Sparkbrook they'd undergone terror
:12:16. > :12:22.training in Pakistan. Ashik Ali supplied a flat in Sparkhill where
:12:22. > :12:25.the group began to experiment with chemicals. All the time, Irfan
:12:25. > :12:31.Naseer was urging them on to become bigger bombers than the 7/7
:12:31. > :12:38.terrorists. But the three men were being watched by the secret
:12:38. > :12:48.services and the police. They planned a mass suicide attack using
:12:48. > :12:49.
:12:49. > :12:57.rucksack bombs. Seven or eight different places, with climbers on
:12:57. > :13:00.the same time. The only thing you will achieve his suicide bombers on
:13:00. > :13:06.your street, spilling so much bloody well have nightmares for the
:13:06. > :13:11.rest of your life. Irfan Naseer also discussed attaching butchers'
:13:12. > :13:17.knives to car wheels and putting poison on door handles. In five
:13:17. > :13:21.minutes, they are dying, thousands of them. So how does someone grow
:13:21. > :13:25.to hate so much that they want to kill? I tracked down a man who knew
:13:25. > :13:30.the ringleader of the plot long before he was making headlines.
:13:30. > :13:39.Anas Zein is an old school friend of Irfan Naseer's. They were like
:13:39. > :13:47.any other schoolboys growing up in Birmingham. We used to have a lot
:13:47. > :13:50.of football matches here. This photo from the summer of 1996 shows
:13:50. > :13:59.Naseer as a chubby popular schoolboy, a joker, one of the lads
:13:59. > :14:09.studying for his A levels at Moseley School. He was quite a
:14:09. > :14:10.
:14:10. > :14:14.charismatic guy, quite like. He had the nickname of chubby. The guys
:14:14. > :14:20.stuck around with him because he was farmed. He always had a lot to
:14:20. > :14:23.say, quite outspoken. Anas Zein paints a picture of Naseer as a
:14:23. > :14:26.graduate who failed to find a career or a purpose in life. The
:14:26. > :14:36.joker disappeared to be replaced by a religious warrior committed only
:14:36. > :14:38.
:14:38. > :14:41.to his version of Islam. He was quite outspoken, he never had
:14:41. > :14:50.anything. What he said to me, he would say to a stranger. He said he
:14:50. > :14:55.wanted to be the big man. He just couldn't comprehend, he was
:14:55. > :15:00.struggling to move on from schooldays and he wanted to prove
:15:00. > :15:04.something. He Malik Al Abdeh is a Syrian born journalist and while
:15:04. > :15:13.living in Birmingham met and played football with Irfan Naseer in 2009.
:15:13. > :15:22.He saw Chubs as a Maverick. first impressions were that he
:15:22. > :15:29.wears an avoidable, he was delusional -- he was an oddball. He
:15:29. > :15:33.was very extreme in his interpretation of Islam, even
:15:34. > :15:36.within the extremist fold, he was extreme. By 2009, Irfan Naseer was
:15:36. > :15:42.becoming alienated from his friends and becoming increasingly radical
:15:42. > :15:47.while openly making threats to Western society. Irfan was very
:15:47. > :15:53.open about his support for Jihadists in Afghanistan. He was
:15:53. > :15:56.very open about his approval and admiration for the Taliban. There
:15:56. > :16:05.was no surprise in the community that he'd been arrested and not
:16:05. > :16:12.much sympathy. I leave Moseley and drive back to White Street in
:16:12. > :16:15.Sparkhill. This was Ashik Ali's groundfloor flat in Sparkhill. The
:16:15. > :16:18.three men began to experiment with chemicals this could have become a
:16:18. > :16:28.bomb making factory the police couldn't take any more chances and
:16:28. > :16:32.
:16:32. > :16:37.swooped and arrested the three men. But what the causes of young Muslim
:16:37. > :16:39.men like these to turned to terrorism? Jahan Mahmood has worked
:16:39. > :16:47.in Sparkbrook for nine years running anti radicalisation
:16:47. > :16:53.programmes for young Muslim men. What we found to be the most
:16:53. > :16:57.prominent recruiter of young men is without a shadow of a doubt UK
:16:57. > :17:04.foreign policy. But he says the majority of those Muslims have no
:17:04. > :17:09.sympathy for extremists. This is not an isolated case. Many families
:17:09. > :17:19.have expressed their concern at members of their family being
:17:19. > :17:27.
:17:27. > :17:31.attracted to extremism. The fact that community is willing... I head
:17:31. > :17:33.to a nearby school in Sparkhill where we've been invited to talk to
:17:33. > :17:41.some teenagers about their views. This latest court case once again
:17:41. > :17:47.casts a shadow on this part of Birmingham. It makes me feel angry
:17:47. > :17:57.because not every British Pakistani or Asian almost limit is a
:17:57. > :17:59.
:17:59. > :18:05.terrorist -- or Muslim. It is not right to kill in the Muslim society.
:18:05. > :18:11.Young Muslims are looking for guidance and purpose, and this is
:18:11. > :18:18.seen as purpose. I think because of certain events in the past, people
:18:18. > :18:21.don't want to makes as much as they used to. Because of what these
:18:21. > :18:26.young Muslims are doing, they are changing the chances for other
:18:26. > :18:29.young Asian men. But the damage done to the perception of the
:18:29. > :18:38.Muslim community here in Birmingham could have been much greater had
:18:38. > :18:44.the police not foiled the plot. Their intention was to make a UDs,
:18:44. > :18:54.suicide bombs, up to 80 of them and explode them the in crowd of places
:18:54. > :18:55.
:18:55. > :18:58.-- I UD. They are more likely to become the forgotten men, serving a
:18:58. > :19:03.life long prison sentences. The police were always one step ahead,
:19:03. > :19:12.but that doesn't mean that the extremism has been defeated here in
:19:12. > :19:17.Birmingham. I'm at the home of a farmer named
:19:17. > :19:22.Andrew. He is fighting to drive up the price he receives the milk.
:19:22. > :19:26.Last summer, there were blockades at milk processing plants as
:19:26. > :19:35.farmers decided that direct action was needed. But what does the
:19:35. > :19:39.future hold? How much do you pay for your milk? The truth is most of
:19:39. > :19:42.us pick up a bottle without paying too much attention. In the milking
:19:42. > :19:46.parlours they're watching every penny. Andrew is a prime example of
:19:46. > :19:49.a lone farmer who believes the milk processor he sells to is not
:19:49. > :19:59.getting a good enough price from the supermarkets. He's not even
:19:59. > :19:59.
:19:59. > :20:05.covering his costs and a penny short costs his business thousands.
:20:05. > :20:11.We are a million litre Farm, so Kenny is �10,000 we are not going
:20:11. > :20:14.to get in a year. -- so a penny. But on the farm in Staffordshire
:20:14. > :20:21.he's milking 130 cows twice a day every day. Surely he can't go on
:20:21. > :20:26.like this? Well I think we do it because we don't pay ourselves
:20:26. > :20:33.enough. Family labour, a very underestimated. We all chip in at
:20:33. > :20:42.all times of the day. It's not good. In fact it's so bad, the number of
:20:42. > :20:46.UK dairy farmers has halved in a decade. This is a family farm. U To
:20:46. > :20:53.Cover for my dad and you have kids. What kind of feature do think they
:20:53. > :20:59.will have? -- you took over. In 10 years' time, we don't know how many
:20:59. > :21:06.dairy farms there will be. We've got about 10,000 now, is probably
:21:06. > :21:09.going to be halved. They are fighting to save what is left, and
:21:09. > :21:14.while it didn't feel like it for the rest of us, the summer got
:21:14. > :21:24.pretty heated for the dairy industry. After taking one price
:21:24. > :21:28.
:21:28. > :21:30.cut on the chin, farmers took to their tractors. The SOS Dairy
:21:30. > :21:33.campaign forced a fairer process for setting milk prices with the
:21:33. > :21:36.dairies, but a small group of farmers left the protests
:21:36. > :21:46.determined to work together on a rescue plan to secure their future,
:21:46. > :21:50.and we're taking Andrew to meet them. We've got you off the farm,
:21:50. > :21:59.taking you to the Isle of Wight. Will be taking you to see if
:21:59. > :22:05.farming Co-op -- to seek a farming cold. What do you think we'll find?
:22:05. > :22:10.I think it'll be really interesting. Get something kick-started. It
:22:10. > :22:16.sounds like they're doing a really good job. To keep cows on Cowes,
:22:16. > :22:19.the rest of the Isle of Wight farmers here are working together.
:22:19. > :22:27.It's the first UK Co-op of its kind, but could it work the West
:22:28. > :22:34.Midlands? In Staffordshire, it's hard to see us all getting round
:22:35. > :22:39.the table, but we did manage to get seven or 800 farmers within 24
:22:39. > :22:44.hours' notice at Stafford Showground, so perhaps it can be
:22:44. > :22:53.done. On the Island, over 300 herds have fallen in 50 years, today the
:22:53. > :23:00.last 17 standing have formed the Isle of Wight Farmers Group.
:23:00. > :23:05.we're producing milk over here and it's going to the mainland. It
:23:05. > :23:12.seemed ridiculous. We have got a processing plant on the island that
:23:12. > :23:15.is capable of processing all our milk. So let's get this straight.
:23:15. > :23:18.Isle of Wight dairy farmers send most of their milk to the mainland,
:23:18. > :23:22.while farmers like Andrew on the mainland ship theirs to shops on
:23:22. > :23:32.the Isle of Wight. It's costly but not a big issue the big
:23:32. > :23:35.supermarkets. It is for Justin and his neighbours, though. They joined
:23:35. > :23:42.the mainland protests - finding strength in numbers got results and
:23:42. > :23:47.started their own campaign. looks like you're really making
:23:47. > :23:52.strong inroads. A I don't think the supermarkets really care about the
:23:52. > :23:56.suppliers. They are driven by what their customers want. By doing the
:23:56. > :24:01.campaign, going out and getting petitions, people on the island
:24:01. > :24:06.said they wanted Isle of Wight milk. We also produced cards that they
:24:06. > :24:09.could take into the supermarket, demanding Isle of Wight milk. It
:24:09. > :24:15.wasn't too long before the supermarkets were coming back to us
:24:15. > :24:20.saying they were getting all the demand, e-mails and phone calls. So
:24:20. > :24:24.they were asking us for it, which was the perfect situation. So the
:24:24. > :24:27.customer is key, and as Andrew's about to find out, the farmers have
:24:27. > :24:34.also had to shake hands with an unlikely ally to make the co-
:24:34. > :24:37.operative work, and we're heading there next. This is the filling
:24:38. > :24:40.process, where it gets bottled and then packed in cold store.
:24:40. > :24:43.dairy acts as the middle man between the farmers and the
:24:44. > :24:53.supermarkets with him on board the group has more control of the whole
:24:53. > :24:56.process from cow to cup. The price has been driven down and down,
:24:56. > :25:02.dairy companies have been inviting you to the. We could never supplied
:25:02. > :25:12.the cheapest leader, so we have had to take the stand and say, this is
:25:12. > :25:14.
:25:14. > :25:20.the best price we can be viewed -- cheapest litre. It is so far paying
:25:20. > :25:26.off. But the group reckon it needs another 30 % grades but to seek
:25:26. > :25:32.real returns -- growth spurt. Andrew's come to see how far the
:25:32. > :25:35.supermarket doors have opened. On the Isle of Wight customers led the
:25:35. > :25:44.way in, thousands signed petitions and bombarded the supermarkets with
:25:44. > :25:54.complaint cards, demanding they stock local milk. It was the MP,
:25:54. > :25:58.
:25:58. > :26:01.the co-operative e-mails, customer comment forms, phone calls.
:26:01. > :26:05.Andrew wasn't going to miss an opportunity to put a supermarket
:26:05. > :26:09.buyer on the spot. It can't be ethically right that we are
:26:09. > :26:14.producing milk at a loss. Not only on the Isle of Wight but right
:26:14. > :26:24.across the country. It is completely unfair. He I can't
:26:24. > :26:31.
:26:31. > :26:35.comment. It is not just the crop, it's all supermarkets. -- the Co-op.
:26:35. > :26:37.The Government is sold on the idea and has set aside a �5million pot
:26:37. > :26:43.to encourage more ventures like this, but how many farmers will
:26:43. > :26:48.take them up on it? What will happen if this doesn't work?
:26:48. > :26:57.think there will be very few dairy farmers left. Perhaps we should be
:26:58. > :27:01.doing some Staffordshire milk. Rather than just talking about one
:27:01. > :27:06.farmer with a million litres of milk, you could be talking about 20
:27:06. > :27:09.farmers with 20 million litres of milk. You go to them with that, you
:27:09. > :27:14.can then work with them and together you have a lot more
:27:14. > :27:19.strength to go to the supermarkets and tell them what they can pay for
:27:19. > :27:25.the milk. They're not there yet, but Isle of Wight milk has given us
:27:25. > :27:29.plenty to think about on the way home. What has surprised me about
:27:29. > :27:34.all of this is how far along they are. They've not been going more
:27:34. > :27:39.than a few months, and yet those customers were looking for the milk
:27:39. > :27:43.and the supermarket, they were going for it. They've got big plans.
:27:43. > :27:46.The way to save dairy farming on this island is for them to expand
:27:46. > :27:50.and produce more milk and that is what they want to do. I was really
:27:50. > :27:56.impressed by that, but the question I have is where that would work for
:27:56. > :28:01.you and for Staffordshire. It took her finger on the island it is at
:28:01. > :28:05.the bit different the mainland. -- I think on the island. Perhaps
:28:05. > :28:08.we'll have to go round with a couple of mates and go and knock on
:28:08. > :28:17.the doors. They've probably never been approached before and perhaps
:28:17. > :28:20.this has given us the opportunity to do that. That is it for tonight
:28:20. > :28:24.and for this series, but don't forget you can find more