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:00:06. > :00:09.Hello from GCHQ, in Cheltenham. Tonight we're heading to the other

:00:09. > :00:15.glimpse inside the government's Tonight we're heading to the other

:00:15. > :00:20.secret intelligence agency. ??NEWLNE For the first time ever a former

:00:20. > :00:32.director speaks out about his secret life. The government did what it

:00:32. > :00:37.reference to it. They would never give any answer if you asked about

:00:37. > :00:48.??NEWLNE Also on the programme — food poverty. We assess its impact

:00:48. > :00:53.on a young woman in Bristol. I try and get whatever is easiest and

:00:53. > :01:01.on a young woman in Bristol. I try ??NEWLNE And from the village green

:01:01. > :01:10.to Lord's. The first cup has got us to last 64. We follow a local club

:01:10. > :01:17.competing at the world's most famous I'm Alastair McKee and this is

:01:17. > :01:23.In a moment we'll be taking a peek first food poverty, now thought

:01:23. > :01:27.In a moment we'll be taking a peek be a reality for some four million

:01:27. > :01:30.people in this country. And as we found out, it's a life that goes

:01:30. > :01:46.This is single mum Kirsty Pointing. At just 24 she faces an uncertain

:01:46. > :01:55.future with her daughter Emily. She's living on benefits on the

:01:55. > :02:06.Southmead estate in Bristol. I have to pay bills, gas and electric.

:02:06. > :02:08.Southmead estate in Bristol. I have also for baby milk. I only get about

:02:09. > :02:16.34 ports of milk with my benefits. I have been waiting for seven or eight

:02:16. > :02:19.months to get a two bed apartment. I do not seem to be getting anywhere.

:02:19. > :02:25.It's a tough life. Bills come round too often and food prices keep going

:02:25. > :02:29.up. Kirsty, who has a hearing and speech disability, is just one of

:02:29. > :02:33.Country finding themselves broke and struggling with food. She lives

:02:33. > :02:36.Country finding themselves broke and cramped one—bedroom flat with barely

:02:36. > :02:40.enough space to swing one of the two cats she rescued. Her shower room

:02:40. > :02:48.also has to act as temporary storage for her pram. It is disgusting.

:02:48. > :02:53.also has to act as temporary storage is absolutely foul. There is so

:02:53. > :02:59.little space. One of my daughters are starting to grow up and she

:02:59. > :03:03.would like a bigger room but she will The kitchen may be the centre

:03:03. > :03:05.of most family's homes but for Kirsty it's way too small, so small

:03:05. > :03:09.in fact that her fridge—freezer Kirsty it's way too small, so small

:03:09. > :03:16.After a shopping trip, Kirsty sorts out her food in the only place with

:03:16. > :03:24.space. I cannot have all six banks in the kitchen because there is

:03:24. > :03:27.space. I cannot have all six banks space. I find fresh food goes off

:03:27. > :03:39.and I only have one food cupboard and the whole of the kitchen. I

:03:39. > :03:42.and I only have one food cupboard like quick and convenient meals

:03:42. > :03:49.really. What ever is easiest and cheapest, whatever I can be bothered

:03:49. > :03:55.to cook. The most important thing is Food poverty has been hitting the

:03:55. > :04:04.headlines this year, so I'm calling in on Kirsty to hear how hard it is

:04:04. > :04:13.Kirsty. And you must be Emily. Hello, I am Alistair. Can I come in?

:04:13. > :04:16.Southmead has more than its fair share of problems. Anti—social

:04:16. > :04:21.behaviour is the biggest issue on the estate and accounts for more

:04:21. > :04:25.than a third of all crimes. For many, the realities of poor housing,

:04:25. > :04:47.hopelessness and abandonment are hard to live with. I do not eat

:04:47. > :04:59.getting my daughter ready. Do you find you do not have time? I want to

:04:59. > :05:07.interact with my daughter when I am out and about. When you do find

:05:07. > :05:12.interact with my daughter when I am time to eat, what do you need? I

:05:12. > :05:16.mostly ate on the go, things like sandwiches, crisps and snacks.

:05:16. > :05:25.Rubbish type of food. July Cup the way that you eat? No. I have been

:05:25. > :05:32.eating these ten kinds of food because it is cheaper. It is more

:05:32. > :05:35.Recent reports show half a million people in the country have turned to

:05:35. > :05:40.food banks in the last year and people in the country have turned to

:05:40. > :05:45.getting worse. Dr Eldin Fahmy has spent years researching poverty

:05:45. > :05:49.getting worse. Dr Eldin Fahmy has social exclusion. If you are living

:05:49. > :05:54.on a low income than that create additional barriers to achieving a

:05:54. > :05:57.healthy and nutritious diet. For example, people who are experiencing

:05:57. > :06:01.poverty are more likely to live example, people who are experiencing

:06:01. > :06:05.areas where it is difficult to Food poverty is not just about a

:06:05. > :06:09.lack of food and having to turn Food poverty is not just about a

:06:10. > :06:14.food banks, it's also about poor food choices. Kirsty knows she has

:06:14. > :06:18.to break her bad eating habits for the sake of her health and that

:06:18. > :06:20.to break her bad eating habits for her daughter. So she has spent five

:06:20. > :06:29.weeks on a course learning to cook healthier meals on a budget. If

:06:29. > :06:30.weeks on a course learning to cook are making your things from scratch,

:06:30. > :06:35.you are more in control of what are making your things from scratch,

:06:35. > :06:39.into your recipes. You can adapt things. It is cheaper, it is fun, it

:06:39. > :06:45.is healthier. We will start by putting the butter into a ball.

:06:45. > :06:45.is healthier. We will start by will mix that with the sugar and

:06:45. > :07:00.What I notice is that people do will mix that with the sugar and

:07:00. > :07:03.a lot more come on the courses. will mix that with the sugar and

:07:03. > :07:07.will then share their ideas with other people and they are not more

:07:07. > :07:13.confident. I often work with people who lack confidence and by the end

:07:13. > :07:18.of the course they feel much better and we can show people how to do

:07:18. > :07:25.things better. Me and my husband used to save money but each month

:07:26. > :07:29.that pot got smaller and smaller because of the Price of Football

:07:29. > :07:34.rising and we had to shop around the different supermarkets and buy the

:07:34. > :07:39.cheaper brands. That was so that we could provide the food for our

:07:39. > :07:43.As they say, the proof is in the pudding, but would Kirsty give it

:07:43. > :07:47.the thumbs up? If you are struggling for money and you are not on income

:07:47. > :07:53.support, I would recommend that for money and you are not on income

:07:53. > :07:56.When the budget is tight some turn to filling and cheap foods such

:07:57. > :07:57.When the budget is tight some turn value sausages, bacon and noodles.

:07:57. > :08:03.They may help save the pennies, value sausages, bacon and noodles.

:08:03. > :08:15.they could also pile on the pounds It is actually quite expensive being

:08:15. > :08:25.healthy. Do you want to buy fresh food and vegetables? If you were to

:08:25. > :08:31.stick to ready—made meals that would be cheaper for you? Yes, that is

:08:31. > :08:41.correct. It is a lot cheaper. How much is a Tesco Value ready meal?

:08:42. > :08:51.Very cheap. It means I can buy more milk for my daughter. It may be

:08:51. > :08:56.Very cheap. It means I can buy more people can afford an adequate diet

:08:56. > :09:02.most people would consider things consequences of food poverty is

:09:02. > :09:06.extend the damaging to people 's health. The government must take

:09:06. > :09:10.action to address this problem. health. The government must take

:09:10. > :09:14.must ensure that all households health. The government must take

:09:14. > :09:21.access to sufficient income to The future may be uncertain for

:09:21. > :09:24.access to sufficient income to people on benefits, but for others

:09:24. > :09:31.like Kirsty there is a way forward. I am hoping to start budgeting with

:09:31. > :09:37.my money better and to start the meal planning. Offaly that will

:09:37. > :09:46.prevent me from just snacking. I will then maybe with some weight. ——

:09:46. > :10:04.Now when it comes to the business of gathering intelligence, there isn't

:10:04. > :10:08.much that the people in the building behind me don't know about. And

:10:08. > :10:15.much that the people in the building you can imagine, they like to keep

:10:15. > :10:19.But this summer GCHQ found itself at the centre of a storm when it was

:10:19. > :10:22.claimed that the agency had been snooping on the phone calls, e—mails

:10:22. > :10:26.and Facebook entries of innocent members of the public. Well, this

:10:26. > :10:31.sort of public notoriety is a long way from the situation 40 years

:10:31. > :10:32.sort of public notoriety is a long intelligence—gathering operation was

:10:32. > :10:38.a secret. Steve Knibbs has been intelligence—gathering operation was

:10:38. > :11:04.meet the man who was in charge back then.? This is Sir Arthur Bonsall.

:11:04. > :11:15.A former director of GCHQ, he lived question about it now and was ever

:11:15. > :11:19.This is the first time someone so government's secret code—breaking

:11:19. > :11:35.I've arranged to meet him at the outskirts of Cheltenham. It's a

:11:35. > :11:36.I've arranged to meet him at the cry from the secret security service

:11:36. > :11:53.Sir Arthur was recruited into. permission to venture deeper inside

:11:53. > :11:59.headquarters than ever before. The opportunity to film inside GCHQ

:11:59. > :12:02.is extremely rare but the chance to interview on TV a former director

:12:02. > :12:19.like Sir Arthur Bonsall?it's never Sir Arthur. I am Steve from the

:12:19. > :12:22.like Sir Arthur Bonsall?it's never How does it feel to be in this

:12:22. > :12:30.Impressive indeed, unlike in the old A bit different from the days when

:12:30. > :12:34.Sir Arthur's recruitment into the shadowy world of intelligence began

:12:34. > :12:39.in 1939. The Army had turned him down on health grounds but Britain

:12:39. > :12:44.desperately needed linguists. An agent from the government's secret

:12:44. > :12:53.recognised Sir Arthur's language skills and sent him an unexpected

:12:53. > :12:56.I had no idea why I'd been invited. There were two men present there,

:12:56. > :13:00.they weren't introduced and all There were two men present there,

:13:00. > :13:03.said was, "Was I interested in confidential war work? "Well, as I

:13:03. > :13:11.was at a loose end, not knowing confidential war work? "Well, as I

:13:11. > :13:22.indicated I would be hearing from He was given a rail ticket and told

:13:22. > :13:29.to report to Bletchley Park, where he signed the Official Secrets Act.

:13:29. > :13:34.Up to this moment I hadn't any idea what the work of BP was and he said,

:13:34. > :13:37."You're going to be working on the communications of the German Air

:13:37. > :13:47.Force," and I did that for several weeks with no real explanation what

:13:47. > :13:57.What sort of thing? What were the broadcast by the German air force

:13:57. > :14:03.regarding the landing conditions at the airfields that might be used in

:14:04. > :14:12.Western Europe. We found it quite easy to solve the map grids and

:14:12. > :14:18.Western Europe. We found it quite codes. You realised in your section

:14:18. > :14:23.you are onto something? The first reaction was they were not that

:14:23. > :14:31.interested, they did not want to land there. This information went

:14:31. > :14:35.through to our aid intelligence land there. This information went

:14:35. > :14:44.were glad to receive it. —— area intelligence. This intelligence

:14:44. > :14:51.became known as special information reports. It was vital against the

:14:51. > :14:59.fight against the bills. —— the Luftwaffe. We knew that they tended

:14:59. > :15:08.to rely on is for information. Bletchley Park is most famous for

:15:08. > :15:19.breaking the Enigma codes. Did that overshadow the work that you were

:15:19. > :15:27.resources. The Enigma code work because it had priority. We were

:15:27. > :15:34.always short—handed and never had anything like enough people to do

:15:34. > :15:40.the work properly without lots of voluntary overtime. But you were

:15:40. > :15:50.That is correct. The end of the voluntary overtime. But you were

:15:50. > :15:52.Arthur's career. There were new threats and enemies to keep tabs on.

:15:52. > :15:57.He relocated to Cheltenham with threats and enemies to keep tabs on.

:15:57. > :16:05.which remained a denial of service. You came into a service that was not

:16:05. > :16:09.government did what it could to ignore any reference to it. If they

:16:09. > :16:15.were asked a question about it, ignore any reference to it. If they

:16:15. > :16:25.answer was given. Sir Arthur rose through the ranks and in 1973 became

:16:25. > :16:27.There may be one or two faces that you recognise around here. How did

:16:27. > :16:34.the appointment come about? You you recognise around here. How did

:16:34. > :16:45.not apply for a promotion, one hope recommended by my predecessor, Joe

:16:45. > :16:50.Cooper. It was what I was hoping for for some time. I was very pleased to

:16:50. > :16:59.get a promotion. When you became a changed. How did you cope with that?

:16:59. > :17:14.I had more experience than other people. You were dealing with prime

:17:14. > :17:18.politicians? We did not exist.We were then interrupted by one of

:17:18. > :17:21.politicians? We did not exist.We current director generals of GCHQ

:17:21. > :17:27.who joined when Sir Arthur was in charge. The sensitive nature of

:17:27. > :17:30.who joined when Sir Arthur was in work meant he did not want to be

:17:30. > :17:34.readily identified. It is quite interesting today when we struggle

:17:34. > :17:45.with the pace of developments and operational work, yet, what you

:17:45. > :17:48.with the pace of developments and clear to all of us at the time was

:17:48. > :17:53.50 or 60 years ago it was exactly the same. A different version of the

:17:53. > :17:57.same thing. Sir Arthur spent his life working for an organisation

:17:57. > :18:04.which to the outside world did not confidential by the Official Secrets

:18:04. > :18:09.To finally be able to talk about it, how did that feel? Up until then I

:18:09. > :18:15.lay had not said anything about how did that feel? Up until then I

:18:15. > :18:23.works to any of my family members. I had a way of answering that. But

:18:23. > :18:29.grandchildren now have authorities who ask what I was doing, and I

:18:29. > :18:32.grandchildren now have authorities had to begin to remember what I

:18:32. > :18:36.grandchildren now have authorities been doing. That was a big change.

:18:36. > :18:39.He has been retired for over 30 years but these four letters still

:18:39. > :18:45.have a powerful effect. I still years but these four letters still

:18:45. > :18:51.a shot when I say GCHQ on the front secrecy has been lifted a little.

:18:52. > :19:05.The glossy recruitment drives have replaced mysterious invitations

:19:05. > :19:07.The glossy recruitment drives have opportunity to glimpse into the

:19:07. > :19:22.shadows. No doubt more of come to light later but for now Sir Arthur

:19:22. > :19:27.In our final film tonight, we're off to the home of cricket, Lord's.

:19:27. > :19:29.Yesterday, it played host to the final of the National Village Cup

:19:29. > :19:44.featuring the tiny village team final of the National Village Cup

:19:44. > :19:45.It has been a great year for English cricket with victory over Australia

:19:45. > :19:51.to keep the Ashes for the third cricket with victory over Australia

:19:51. > :19:54.in a row. But the England first cricket with victory over Australia

:19:54. > :19:59.are not the only ones enjoying success. Meets the Rockhampton Rams,

:19:59. > :20:08.giving up the biggest match of their lives, the Village Cup final at

:20:08. > :20:18.The furthest we got before was the last 64 so we are in uncharted

:20:18. > :20:23.Village teams entered a knockout competition and now there are just

:20:23. > :20:38.too left. And this usually quiet Gloucestershire village, excitement

:20:38. > :20:50.As he prepares for the training session, the captain has more to

:20:50. > :20:54.It is something that unfortunately occupies the hours between 9am and

:20:54. > :21:12.James feels pretty fortunate to occupies the hours between 9am and

:21:12. > :21:19.The usual captain decided she didn't want the job on Sundays so I got

:21:19. > :21:25.With less than ten days to go, the pressure is on and they are making

:21:25. > :21:35.sure that the final 11 are working It has been a long road. It has

:21:35. > :21:41.indeed. We want to win this game, don't we? Just replicate what you

:21:41. > :21:50.have been doing. ' we will just don't we? Just replicate what you

:21:50. > :22:09.working through what we have been In it sounds bad but I don't have

:22:09. > :22:14.any major concerns. Hopefully the fact that they are at Lord's won't

:22:14. > :22:22.get into people 's head too much and it will just be another game of

:22:22. > :22:33.Rockhampton team is playing so well. developing its your team. A policy

:22:34. > :22:44.which is now paying dividends. We started up a youth section and as

:22:44. > :22:46.that grew and the players mature at we have gone up through the leagues.

:22:46. > :22:59.You know the rest. This year we we have gone up through the leagues.

:22:59. > :23:09.11 of the 14 members are local boys. There's two Tylers, two of my boys.

:23:09. > :23:16.It is quite amazing. Quite amazing how many of them have come from

:23:16. > :23:24.It is quite amazing. Quite amazing youth setup and shows the importance

:23:24. > :23:29.of maintaining that setup. The two Tylers are both very good batsmen

:23:29. > :23:40.and we hope they are going to do Even with such a strong team, James

:23:40. > :23:46.It is now a national competition and if you when it you are recognised as

:23:46. > :23:55.Hopefully we will do the village For John, there is still lots to

:23:55. > :24:08.Good morning. How are you both? We're getting to Lord Snowdon.

:24:08. > :24:22.organising coaches to get the local fans to the game. We got about

:24:22. > :24:25.organising coaches to get the local As well as selling tickets, they

:24:26. > :24:45.have their work cut out keeping As well as selling tickets, they

:24:45. > :24:49.It takes some believing, doesn't For Charlie, who plays regularly for

:24:49. > :24:59.the team, the final this Sunday For Charlie, who plays regularly for

:24:59. > :25:06.Charles is a spinner and we have a number of spinners. I'm afraid we

:25:06. > :25:12.can only play one or two and you Of course everybody wanted to be on

:25:12. > :25:19.that pitch at only 11 people can play so I am just happy that the

:25:19. > :25:29.club is the and I will be part of it as well. I will be cheering them on

:25:29. > :25:43.It is Saturday morning and the Rams are on their way to London for the

:25:43. > :26:02.You all ready to go and when? Yes! They are in high spirits and full

:26:02. > :26:07.It feels pretty surreal. It is a special place and it is all starting

:26:07. > :26:20.There is a Re/Max ceremony to go through then Rockhampton are sent

:26:20. > :26:30.out after losing the toss —— eight As you can see, the number of people

:26:30. > :26:39.we have here following the team As you can see, the number of people

:26:39. > :26:48.The batting starts well with Matt reaching 50. But after James is

:26:48. > :27:01.dismissed for 57, the innings ends on a slightly lower total than

:27:02. > :27:03.Wickets are falling fast and it looks like Rockhampton might clinch

:27:03. > :27:16.We could have done with another looks like Rockhampton might clinch

:27:16. > :27:23.runs but it will be a tight game. With just eight balls to go, the

:27:23. > :27:26.opposition reach 193 and it is all over. In nail—biting lay close final

:27:26. > :27:38.That's cricket for you. We gave over. In nail—biting lay close final

:27:38. > :27:51.really good go. Disappointed. What a Cheers. We thought we were pretty

:27:51. > :27:57.close to going home and winning Cheers. We thought we were pretty

:27:57. > :28:02.The lads are gutted and it will Cheers. We thought we were pretty

:28:02. > :28:08.unfortunately on the day we were Even without the win, it has been an

:28:08. > :28:16.amazing achievement for the brands and their fans. A day to remember

:28:16. > :28:19.Bad luck to Rockhampton for just missing out but well done for making

:28:19. > :28:24.the final. That's just about it missing out but well done for making

:28:24. > :28:29.tonight. Don't forget, if you want to get in touch with us you can

:28:29. > :28:29.tonight. Don't forget, if you want us on Twitter or e—mail us. From all

:28:29. > :28:45.of us here, thanks for watching us on Twitter or e—mail us. From all

:28:45. > :28:58.departments reached crisis point, we pressure of the clogged up waiting

:28:58. > :28:58.We have to look at all the options