:00:09. > :00:17.Good evening. Here is what is on the show
:00:17. > :00:22.tonight: the Yorkshire businessman convicted or his role in the
:00:22. > :00:28.illegal arms trade. In British terms, if not the
:00:28. > :00:34.merchant of death he was Yorkshire's merchant of death.
:00:34. > :00:40.expose the mail-order company failing to deliver its promises.
:00:40. > :00:49.heart. But on the other hand, I was relieved that I was not going to
:00:49. > :00:53.get away any more money for nothing. I'm going up this road because it
:00:53. > :00:59.is here where the battle lines have been drawn. An investigating
:00:59. > :01:09.whether an incinerator in North Yorkshire is worth its 1.4 or
:01:09. > :01:19.
:01:19. > :01:25.billion pounds a east mac. -- �1.4 Almost the international arms trade
:01:25. > :01:30.is at 30 police worlds away from North Yorkshire. But the conviction
:01:30. > :01:34.of one York gun dealer shows it could flourish anywhere. A cold
:01:34. > :01:37.case has led to new questions on this deadly business.
:01:37. > :01:40.To those who knew him, Gary Hyde was the epitome of the respectable
:01:40. > :01:42.local entrepeneur. He was the classic upstanding member of the
:01:42. > :01:44.community - a successful businessman and former police
:01:44. > :01:51.special constable who had even received a bravery award by North
:01:51. > :01:54.Yorkshire Police for foiling a robbery.
:01:54. > :01:57.So just how did gary Hyde become an international arms dealer, a man
:01:57. > :02:04.wanted on two continents, whose stock in trade was the world's
:02:04. > :02:08.favourite killing machine. He is an unscrupulous businessman
:02:08. > :02:11.who deals in death. He deals in tens of thousands of
:02:11. > :02:17.assault rifles which he sells to security forces and armed groups
:02:17. > :02:21.all over the world. He is a major arms dealer, he is not just a gun
:02:21. > :02:24.shop owner. Gary Hyde's business empire was
:02:24. > :02:29.rooted in Yorkshire. He served the hunting and shooting set as
:02:29. > :02:31.managing director of York Guns. But he also had his own companies
:02:31. > :02:41.chasing legitimate government arms contracts across the globe...and
:02:41. > :02:42.
:02:42. > :02:44.Now this, it is the AK-47 or kalishnikov - cheap to produce,
:02:44. > :02:51.highly reliable and a favourite of third world armies and child
:02:51. > :02:59.soldiers across the globe. Sell these in high volume, and you can
:02:59. > :03:01.After the Balkan wars of the early 1990s, there were huge stockpiles
:03:01. > :03:11.of old Soviet-style weaponry in eastern Europe, including hundreds
:03:11. > :03:14.of thousands of AK-47s. The guns were surplus, but far from useless.
:03:14. > :03:19.The weapons were urgently needed to arm security forces fighting
:03:19. > :03:21.insurgencies. As the call went out to arm Iraqi
:03:21. > :03:30.and Afghan troops, private gun dealers across the globe were put
:03:30. > :03:40.on alert. And Gary Hyde sniffed an Gary Hyde was buying AKs for $12-13
:03:40. > :03:48.- no way the real value - he was selling them on for $150-300.
:03:48. > :03:52.But before the guns went to Afghanistan, they came to this
:03:52. > :03:54.sleepy corner of Lincolnshire. In 2009, Inside Out revealed that with
:03:54. > :04:03.British government approval Gary Hyde brought 70,000 AK-47s to this
:04:03. > :04:05.secretive former Cold War storage depot at Faldingworth. A
:04:05. > :04:12.significant number were moved on to Afghanistan and MPs and human
:04:12. > :04:14.rights groups in the UK were concerned.
:04:14. > :04:18.A government inquiry in the US revealed several hundred thousand
:04:18. > :04:21.of the very same weapons that the likes of Gary and others were
:04:21. > :04:24.supplying had gone missing - ended up in the arms of an insurgent, or
:04:24. > :04:34.were simply not accounted for, serial numbers not recorded, no
:04:34. > :04:37.
:04:37. > :04:40.accurate track on where the weapons But the government approved deals
:04:40. > :04:43.continued. Ammunition was moved to Iraq from South Africa and Serbia,
:04:43. > :04:46.tens of thousands of magazines were sent to Afghanistan, and he
:04:46. > :04:56.fulfilled an MoD contract for 6,500 pistols and up to 300 machine guns
:04:56. > :05:03.from China to Basra. The shipment arrived as the Iraqi police force
:05:03. > :05:05.in the city was being infiltrated by Shia militiamen. And still the
:05:05. > :05:08.deals kept coming. These are the Wikileak cables
:05:08. > :05:10.revealed at the beginning of 2011 and amongst all the detail and
:05:10. > :05:19.allegations is this one - confidential plans to sell 130,000
:05:19. > :05:21.Romanian AK-47s to Colonel Gadaffi's regime in Libya.
:05:21. > :05:26.The document revealed a contract between a Ukranian arms
:05:27. > :05:30.manufacturer and Libya's equivalent of the Ministry of Defence. But it
:05:30. > :05:38.was to be facilitated by York Guns - the company which Gary Hyde was
:05:38. > :05:41.managing director of. Licences were The reason why it was turned down
:05:41. > :05:44.was quite obvious - only 76,000 troops in libyan army, double the
:05:44. > :05:47.amount of kalishnikovs necessary for the armed forces and the
:05:47. > :05:57.likelihood was that a number of those weapons were not intended for
:05:57. > :06:02.
:06:02. > :06:05.Libya but for neighbouring armed York Guns has distanced itself from
:06:05. > :06:08.Gary hyde and say no allegations have been directed at the company
:06:08. > :06:11.and that they were not involved in his activities, which continued to
:06:11. > :06:14.grow. By now Gary Hyde was building a
:06:14. > :06:20.reputation as a keen businessman who would go that extra mile to
:06:20. > :06:23.clinch the deal. So when he was arrested by US
:06:23. > :06:29.Marshalls in Las Vegas at America's biggest gathering of gun dealers,
:06:29. > :06:32.more than a few eyebrows were raised.
:06:32. > :06:34.Gary Hyde had fallen foul of US trade regulations with China, and
:06:34. > :06:42.the import/export of 5,000 Chinese- made AK-47 magazine barrels had
:06:42. > :06:47.aroused the suspicion of government agents. Gary Hyde denies any wrong
:06:47. > :06:54.doing and the charges still have to be dealt with. But when he returned
:06:54. > :06:57.to Britain, the authorities were British customs were interested in
:06:57. > :07:05.a deal in 2007 to provide 80,000 guns plus 32 million rounds of
:07:05. > :07:08.ammunition to the Nigerian security forces. It was weaponry that the
:07:08. > :07:15.Nigerians urgently needed, but the country was not going to war, it
:07:15. > :07:18.I found there was all sorts of weapons heading into Nigeria to
:07:18. > :07:28.kind of bolster what is called their gunpowder politics - weapons
:07:28. > :07:34.
:07:35. > :07:37.given to youths to brandish to If you are supplying AK-47s to
:07:37. > :07:40.police officers that is highly questionable because they are used
:07:40. > :07:50.to shoot people, they do not have the capacity to fire rubber bullets
:07:50. > :07:54.
:07:54. > :07:57.The weapons had come from China in a $10 million deal brokered by Gary
:07:57. > :08:01.Hyde. Under UK legislation any arms deal arranged here needs to be
:08:01. > :08:04.licenced and the crucial piece of paper was not applied for. Gary
:08:04. > :08:14.Hyde claimed he had done the business away from the UK and that
:08:14. > :08:17.a licence was not necessary. Customs officers seized computers
:08:17. > :08:19.at Hyde's home in Newton on Derwent near York, their investigation
:08:19. > :08:23.revealed a commission of $1.3 million dollars had been paid,
:08:23. > :08:25.money that was hidden in a bank account in the tax haven of
:08:25. > :08:29.Litchenstein. Gary Hyde has since been sacked by
:08:29. > :08:33.York Guns. One industry insider admits that the case will be used
:08:33. > :08:36.as further ammunition against the British gun trade.
:08:36. > :08:44.Certainly this is of grave concern to everyone in the gun trade, any
:08:44. > :08:47.laws broken should be slapped down and punished accordingly. We are
:08:47. > :08:55.concerned, this is our livelihood and it is important that we are
:08:55. > :09:02.seen to operate in a legal manner. We operate in a tightly regulated
:09:02. > :09:06.Gary hyde was found guilty at Southwark Crown Court of flouting
:09:06. > :09:10.arms brokering laws and concealing the profits of the deal. He will be
:09:10. > :09:13.sentenced next month. You could say he was Britain's most
:09:13. > :09:23.significant kalishnikov dealer, so in British terms, if he was not the
:09:23. > :09:25.
:09:25. > :09:29.merchant of death, he was certainly Gary Hyde is paying a heavy price
:09:29. > :09:33.for his part in the global gun trade but for those working in the
:09:33. > :09:36.field of arms control, he is not a one-off.
:09:36. > :09:42.If you take someone like Gary Hyde out of the equation, won't someone
:09:42. > :09:45.else just pop up in his place? Oh, yes, that is it. Gary Hyde is
:09:45. > :09:49.one of many entrepeneurs involved in the arms business, but there is
:09:49. > :09:52.always a market for weapons and there is a grey market for weapons
:09:52. > :10:01.and ammunition for sure, and that is the sort of world that Gary Hyde
:10:01. > :10:04.He is almost the Arthur Daley of the UK arms trade. He is dealing in
:10:04. > :10:07.large quantities of second-hand old equipment from the former Soviet
:10:07. > :10:10.Union, the only people who deal in this kind of kit are the kind of
:10:11. > :10:20.people who are wheeling and dealing on the fringes of the acceptable
:10:21. > :10:34.
:10:34. > :10:43.Still to come: will it be good value for money to get an
:10:44. > :10:49.incinerator coming from here in this castle?
:10:49. > :10:54.If you get a letter saying you have one huge cash prize, all due to do
:10:54. > :11:00.his reply and sent a photo for publicity and buy something from
:11:00. > :11:05.the mail-order catalogue. It sounds too good to be true, it is. But
:11:05. > :11:15.that is who count as vulnerable and elderly people been targeted by one
:11:15. > :11:32.
:11:32. > :11:35.John Chappell from West Yorkshire is disabled and cares for his 88
:11:35. > :11:38.year old blind mother. Day after day letters arrive telling him he
:11:38. > :11:46.is the winner of huge cheque. To get the money fast, he needs to
:11:46. > :11:56.order some goods. Not that you may win it, you may Exley when it. You
:11:56. > :11:59.have to send in your order so they can send the cheque. They've ended
:11:59. > :12:02.up with drawers full of products they don't need - many from a
:12:02. > :12:05.company called Vital Nature. That is extra strength lutein. Pills and
:12:05. > :12:10.potions aimed at the frail and elderly are stacked into boxes in
:12:10. > :12:16.every room. John is a retired West Yorkshire policeman, but he still
:12:16. > :12:20.sent off dangerous personal details to confirm his win. They insist on
:12:20. > :12:27.some form of identification. There we have a copy of the passport
:12:27. > :12:33.which has been sent to them. Also, they require a photograph to be
:12:33. > :12:40.used on the publication. It is a bit like when you're a drug addict,
:12:40. > :12:46.they feed you with so much that you have won it. There is only one more
:12:46. > :12:53.step. You do that one more step and you do it again. And then at one
:12:53. > :12:57.point my mother said, let's knock it on the head. They also require a
:12:57. > :13:07.smaller version to make sure it is the same person. Not only has it
:13:07. > :13:10.
:13:10. > :13:19.cost us in money, it has also cost of sue macro -- Awesome Mack and
:13:19. > :13:21.stamps. It is all over and above. I would do anything for a, you see.
:13:21. > :13:25.John sent his photographs and prize claim forms to addresses in
:13:25. > :13:31.Scotland and Hampshire. He never received a reply - just more post
:13:31. > :13:34.requesting more orders and promising prizes. We've uncovered
:13:34. > :13:36.evidence showing that while cheques are cashed and orders processed,
:13:36. > :13:39.letters from confused pensioners asking what's happened to their
:13:39. > :13:42.promised prizes are thrown away unread. People from all over the
:13:42. > :13:47.country have fallen for this con and in every case it can be traced
:13:47. > :13:57.back to one address. The UK nerve centre for a huge mail order scam -
:13:57. > :13:57.
:13:57. > :14:05.Emery LTD In Hampshire. They are clearly not reading their letters.
:14:05. > :14:11.Time to give them a voice. Glenn Close My order cheque and forms. I
:14:11. > :14:15.and 90 years old, in a wheelchair, cannot walk, had two heart attacks,
:14:15. > :14:18.got angina... Our loud hailer is going down a storm. Neighbouring
:14:18. > :14:21.businesses are more than happy to listen to letters from confused
:14:21. > :14:27.customers, which is more than can be said for the company that throws
:14:27. > :14:30.them away. One employee whose job it was to bin the customers'
:14:30. > :14:37.letters, was so appalled at the part a UK business plays in this
:14:37. > :14:40.deception, she went undercover with a camera to show what happens. The
:14:40. > :14:43.mail handling company works for a Frenchman who runs a number of
:14:43. > :14:53.businesses in Europe, promising prizes in return for orders Time to
:14:53. > :15:01.
:15:02. > :15:08.go and see some of the people It had me convinced. The more
:15:08. > :15:18.letters I opened, the more I thought, this cannot be right. It
:15:18. > :15:20.
:15:20. > :15:30.People confused, generally asking about their prize, why they haven't
:15:30. > :15:37.
:15:37. > :15:46.got it. A lot of people needing Many of the mail order companies
:15:46. > :15:55.are owned by the same person, a wealthy Frenchman Anita UK postal
:15:55. > :16:05.address -- who needs. While their customers may be left all at sea,
:16:05. > :16:14.
:16:14. > :16:23.the Gebbetts appear to be riding high on a wave of success. His son
:16:23. > :16:28.Nick lives in Norfolk. Nothing on Twitter about running a company
:16:28. > :16:36.involved in a mass marketing scam. Here's dad David, who often pops in
:16:36. > :16:45.for a chat at the company. And here's his son Nick, who appears to
:16:45. > :16:49.be in charge. While they throw away most letters they receive, Nick
:16:49. > :16:53.Gebbett did read the one we sent him. He replied they'd only answer
:16:53. > :16:56.our questions with a statement if we used it in full and unedited.
:16:56. > :17:01.Obviously we want to hear their side of the story - but we can't go
:17:01. > :17:11.giving promises like that to anyone. But I still needed to know why they
:17:11. > :17:12.
:17:12. > :17:17.thought it was OK to do the dirty work for a French scammer. I am a
:17:17. > :17:23.from BBC Inside Out. Can I ask why your company continues to chat --
:17:23. > :17:28.cash cheques of vulnerable people. We have sent a statement to you and
:17:28. > :17:35.that all -- that is all there is to it. Your staff as being instructed
:17:35. > :17:41.to shred their letters. I cannot comment. Why do you continue to
:17:41. > :17:47.have dealings with the company? cannot comment on that. I'm sorry.
:17:47. > :17:51.I have to go. What you say to people who think they had been
:17:51. > :17:58.taken for a ride by this company? Your company could stop it
:17:58. > :18:04.happening. If we did, some other company would do it. That does not
:18:04. > :18:13.make it right. You have got nothing to say to these people. Surely you
:18:13. > :18:23.all them something? His reply, no comment. If they did not do it,
:18:23. > :18:31.
:18:31. > :18:35.someone else would. Does that make My message to companies working as
:18:35. > :18:41.a third party to a criminal enterprise is that yes, you are on
:18:41. > :18:46.borrowed time. My job is to close in as quickly as we can to stop you
:18:46. > :18:52.operating, to bring you to justice and to make sure that you are seen
:18:52. > :18:56.as part of that criminal conspiracy. We are closing in on you whether
:18:56. > :19:00.you are in the UK or you're operating for somebody outside the
:19:00. > :19:07.UK. We're bringing it together on behalf of the nation. We're there
:19:07. > :19:11.to make sure that people in our society, people in the UK, are less
:19:11. > :19:21.susceptible to a criminal methods. Our job is to make sure that we
:19:21. > :19:23.
:19:23. > :19:31.protect the people of this country. At this moment in time, I am living
:19:31. > :19:41.on hope. I think our work here is done. We have truly given them a
:19:41. > :19:43.
:19:43. > :19:51.voice. In the next 24 hours decisions will be made over plans
:19:51. > :19:55.to build a controversial new waste incinerator. It is a public-private
:19:55. > :20:05.partnership and it will cost �1.4 billion. It will last of the next
:20:05. > :20:06.
:20:06. > :20:09.25 years. Will this be worth the Everyone agrees that recycling is a
:20:09. > :20:14.good thing - but the question of what we do with the waste that's
:20:14. > :20:17.left behind is the subject of heated debate. I'm on my way up the
:20:17. > :20:20.A1, because it's there that the battles lines have been drawn in a
:20:20. > :20:23.protracted war about the rights and wrongs of building a huge waste
:20:23. > :20:31.incineration plant that some fear will be too big, too expensive and
:20:31. > :20:33.be one incinerator too many. The row centres on this site at
:20:33. > :20:41.Allerton Park near Knaresborough, where a large incinerator and waste
:20:41. > :20:44.processing plant will be built, using controversial PFI money.
:20:44. > :20:47.Critics say this method of funding, where the private sector build
:20:47. > :20:50.facilities and then charges the public sector to use them, can tie
:20:50. > :20:53.taxpayers to expensive commitments for decades to come. And it's to
:20:53. > :20:58.this former quarry that all of North Yorkshire's household black
:20:58. > :21:03.bin bags will be sent. There'll be extra recycling on site, and power
:21:03. > :21:06.created from waste - the rest will be burnt. And the size of such a
:21:06. > :21:14.plant has raised obvious concerns Now if you're after a building that
:21:14. > :21:17.dominates the landscape, look no further than Allerton Castle. But
:21:17. > :21:23.this Grade One-listed mansion will be dwarfed by the incinerator which
:21:23. > :21:30.would be built just a mile away. Millionaire American philanthropist
:21:30. > :21:37.Gerald Rolph is a trustee of the foundation that owns the castle.
:21:37. > :21:46.How big is this proposed incinerator? Probably larger than
:21:46. > :21:54.this in many ways. And of course up to me, to have that happen, which
:21:54. > :21:57.is a detriment to your heritage, I am concerned and I am against it.
:21:57. > :21:59.solution to North Yorkshire's waste problem has been ten years in the
:21:59. > :22:02.offing. Landfill was increasingly seen as unsustainable and expensive.
:22:02. > :22:08.The local authority's answer was an incinerator plant. Almost �6
:22:08. > :22:11.million in consultancy fees later, its future is about to be decided.
:22:11. > :22:15.On the one side there's big business and two large local
:22:15. > :22:17.authorities. The incinerator will be built by waste management multi-
:22:17. > :22:19.national Ameycespa, who'll then charge North Yorkshire County
:22:19. > :22:29.Council and the City of York Council to burn their domestic
:22:29. > :22:34.
:22:34. > :22:38.waste. They say it'll actually save money. North Yorkshire and York are
:22:38. > :22:45.facing a bill to deal with their waste. If we carry on dealing with
:22:45. > :22:51.it as we are, in today's fashion. The project proposed should reduce
:22:51. > :22:57.that by 1.4 billion. At this point in time those costs continue to
:22:57. > :23:04.change. This is not and was never meant to be the cheapest solution.
:23:04. > :23:07.This was about finding the best solution for the disposal of waste.
:23:07. > :23:09.But the protestors argue there are cheaper alternatives than spending
:23:09. > :23:19.�1.4 billion - and 10,000 signatures have been gathered and
:23:19. > :23:20.
:23:20. > :23:26.local MPs brought on side. And in the evenings, there's fighting talk.
:23:26. > :23:31.That is a critical point. This facility is far too big. They say
:23:31. > :23:34.being tied to a 25-year deal doesn't make sense. There are other
:23:34. > :23:37.options they could do over a shorter time periods where they
:23:38. > :23:43.could make more appropriate decisions than track and they could
:23:43. > :23:45.say a lot of money. The protestors believe now's not the time to press
:23:45. > :23:48.ahead, but to re-examine other options.. They say that the
:23:48. > :23:50.proposed project is not the right solution to North Yorkshire's waste
:23:51. > :23:53.problem. And rather than one big incinerator, they want smaller
:23:53. > :23:57.energy from waste centres, closer to the communities that create the
:23:57. > :24:00.rubbish in the first place. What to do with domestic waste has been an
:24:00. > :24:03.issue ever since the Victorians latched onto the idea of burning it.
:24:03. > :24:05.Over on the continent they've been building incinerators close to
:24:05. > :24:13.urban centres so that schools, hospitals and residents can benefit
:24:13. > :24:16.from the heat that's produced. But with its countryside location, the
:24:16. > :24:19.heat from Allerton Park will be wasted - further proof, say the
:24:19. > :24:22.protestors, that it's being built in the wrong place And what's
:24:22. > :24:24.fanning the flames is that Allerton Park isn't the only waste plant in
:24:24. > :24:26.the pipeline. There's talk of incinerators for Teesside,
:24:26. > :24:35.Ferrybridge and Kellingley - and some are wondering whether the
:24:35. > :24:39.Allerton Park scheme will be one chimney too many. The protestors
:24:39. > :24:41.have commissioned their own report on the proposal. One of Britain's
:24:41. > :24:50.leading waste consultancies have examined the figures for the
:24:50. > :24:54.Allerton Park incinerator, and say there's a problem. We are seemed
:24:54. > :25:00.less material being thrown away and yet we are seen more facilities
:25:00. > :25:03.being either built or going through the planning process to be built.
:25:03. > :25:12.We are concerned that in a few years we will have more capacity to
:25:12. > :25:15.deal with this refused and we will have refuse. The councils deny
:25:15. > :25:18.there'll be problems, and say that even if there are fluctuations in
:25:18. > :25:20.domestic waste, commercial waste will fill the gap. And that's
:25:21. > :25:23.opened up another accusation that there could be a two-tier pricing
:25:24. > :25:30.structure - a high one for the local authorities, and a cheaper
:25:30. > :25:38.one to attract other waste companies. We try as the commercial
:25:38. > :25:43.operators Les? It is not fixed. It will not be cheaper. It is a
:25:43. > :25:53.commercial decision. Will the council's beyond that flexible
:25:53. > :25:54.
:25:54. > :25:59.rate? And no, they are, fixed rate for 25 years. The Council could
:25:59. > :26:04.find themselves snooping. If the cost for getting rid of waste goes
:26:04. > :26:08.down, they could find themselves tied into a rate where they are
:26:08. > :26:14.paying double the rate? It is extremely unlikely the cost will go
:26:14. > :26:16.down. At one of North Yorkshire's largest private trade waste
:26:16. > :26:19.companies, they're watching developments closely, especially as
:26:19. > :26:22.more and more British firms are producing waste that can only be
:26:22. > :26:26.recycled. The drive in the commercial world now is a zero
:26:26. > :26:31.waste. That is through a combination of working with them to
:26:31. > :26:38.reduce waste, and giving all the priority to recycling, innovator of
:26:38. > :26:45.recycling processes. Do you ever see a wagon pulling up at Allerton
:26:45. > :26:49.Park? I would be very surprised unless their model changes
:26:49. > :26:52.significantly. Back near Allerton Park the residents remain worried
:26:52. > :26:56.about what the future might bring. The incinerator might be a bit too
:26:56. > :27:02.close for comfort for the locals - but they deny a 'not in my back
:27:02. > :27:04.yard' attitude. I'd turn the NIMBY argument on its head - it's York
:27:04. > :27:14.that's being the ultimate NIMBY by not having incineration within its
:27:14. > :27:15.
:27:15. > :27:20.boundaries. The city of York are one of the sponsors. They will not
:27:20. > :27:23.permit incineration. So are there other waste solutions on the
:27:23. > :27:25.horizon? On the outskirts of Swindon, Advanced Plasma Power has
:27:25. > :27:29.developed an energy form called gasplasma - turning municipal waste
:27:29. > :27:36.into an energy rich gas which can be used in turbines, gas engines
:27:36. > :27:39.and fuel cells. They're also planning to return to landfill
:27:39. > :27:43.sites to reclaim the metals and plastics that we threw away decades
:27:43. > :27:46.ago, thinking they were worthless. Local authorities could be sitting
:27:46. > :27:55.on gold mines, and rather than burning waste, they could be
:27:56. > :28:01.digging it up.. I think we are in the process of their paradigm shift
:28:01. > :28:08.from seeing waste has rubbish that we throw away, to actually a
:28:08. > :28:14.valuable resource in its own right. The reserves of gold, for example,
:28:14. > :28:17.he landfills. Whether its gold or rubbish, North Yorkshire
:28:17. > :28:27.councillors have a big decision to make tomorrow - one that many
:28:27. > :28:32.believe could have consequences beyond the next 25 years. That is
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