:00:09. > :00:19.Lay good evening and welcome to Inside Out. Here is what is on
:00:19. > :00:19.
:00:19. > :00:27.tonight's show. A man who is touring the North who says he
:00:27. > :00:30.really can speak to the dead. We put his claims to the test.
:00:30. > :00:35.And could move in people north be the answer to a housing shortage?
:00:35. > :00:40.It was tried more than a decade ago but did it work? It was a bit weird
:00:40. > :00:48.when I first moved up because I thought they had just invented the
:00:48. > :00:52.wheel. London is a bit faster than what Lincoln is. Also tonight:
:00:52. > :00:58.Remembering that caving tragedy that gripped the nation as rescue
:00:58. > :01:04.teams battled to save a young student. The doctor is passing
:01:04. > :01:14.oxygen? Yes, they pass and it all the time. Is he conjures? I do not
:01:14. > :01:22.
:01:22. > :01:26.First tonight, to the man who claims he has a phone link to the
:01:26. > :01:30.spirit world and can talk to the dead. Stephen Holbrook tours across
:01:30. > :01:34.the North of England and thousands of people think he is a genuine
:01:34. > :01:38.medium but can he really hear voices or is he using traditional
:01:38. > :01:48.entertainer's skills to convince his audience? We put his techniques
:01:48. > :01:54.
:01:54. > :01:59.This is a story of spirits, bereavement and tricks. In central
:01:59. > :02:09.Leeds, a member of the Inside Out team wearing a secret camera is on
:02:09. > :02:12.
:02:12. > :02:17.their way to film a man who says he This is Stephen Holbrook and that
:02:17. > :02:24.is his stiff left hand. It is like wood. Sometimes it turns blue. It
:02:24. > :02:29.is a sign that Archie, Stephen's dead spirit guide, is on the phone.
:02:29. > :02:39.Stephen says he channels messages just like a phone. But he reverses
:02:39. > :02:42.
:02:42. > :02:45.the charges and his audience pays premium rates. Activists from the
:02:45. > :02:50.Newcastle and Merseyside Skeptics Societies, fresh from checking out
:02:50. > :02:55.Stephen's performance. They are not impressed. He does not speak to the
:02:55. > :03:00.deceased. He is as clairvoyant as a teapot. I would say he is not
:03:00. > :03:04.psychic. So who is right? Stephen Holbrook who says he genuinely can
:03:04. > :03:10.hear the spirits, and who claims his powers prove there is life
:03:10. > :03:14.after death? Or the sceptics, who say that he is an entertainment
:03:14. > :03:18.performer using the magician's tricks? It is important because if
:03:18. > :03:22.Stephen's phone carries nuisance calls and Archie and the spirit on
:03:22. > :03:25.a real, there is a problem with the law. If a trader gives false
:03:25. > :03:29.information or misleading information to consumers, and that
:03:29. > :03:33.causes people to do some think they would not otherwise have done, such
:03:33. > :03:38.as buy a ticket or travel to an event, they could potentially be a
:03:38. > :03:43.criminal offence. Some people say the performance is for
:03:43. > :03:46.entertainment purposes only. Is that sufficient? If if he is saying
:03:46. > :03:50.and an entertainer, I am a magician, Allende's and cold reading
:03:50. > :03:58.techniques and I cannot speak to the spirit world, that is what he
:03:58. > :04:08.needs to say. But Stephen never says it is just for entertainment.
:04:08. > :04:15.
:04:15. > :04:21.Singh, audience members are in tears as he relays messages from
:04:21. > :04:24.the spirits of dead babies, children's, mums and dads. It's one
:04:24. > :04:28.thing if they are receiving messages from the spirits but if
:04:28. > :04:31.they are repeatedly paying to be manipulated by psychological tricks,
:04:31. > :04:38.there is a danger they could get stuck in their grief and suffer
:04:38. > :04:42.real damage. I think this is a type of exploitation of the worst sort.
:04:42. > :04:45.It is manipulating people at a terrible time in their lives. One
:04:45. > :04:49.of the worst consequences for people who are very vulnerable is
:04:49. > :04:54.they can end up stuck in that early stage of grieving and will never be
:04:54. > :04:59.able to relinquish it or move on from it. Back in Leeds, a large
:04:59. > :05:09.part of the performance consists of Stephen asking questions. Sometimes
:05:09. > :05:36.
:05:36. > :05:41.Stephen performs all over the north, doing more than 20 shows a month,
:05:41. > :05:46.nine months a year. His website is full of testimonials from satisfied
:05:46. > :05:51.customers. Thank you so much for the wonderful message you gave to
:05:51. > :05:56.us in Middlesbrough. At Bolton Masonic Hall, I was in shock.
:05:56. > :06:01.confirmed that my dad knew he was going to die. But he also has his
:06:01. > :06:06.critics. I thought that the advert was nonsensical, laughable, and
:06:06. > :06:11.then I got quite cross about it. I think it is disgraceful. He would
:06:11. > :06:16.say why is there very important you? I was staggered at that kind
:06:16. > :06:21.of question. February could be important for any number of reasons.
:06:21. > :06:26.Ellis told Stephen about a dead boyfriend. Stephen told Ellis what
:06:26. > :06:31.his spirit was saying. He spoke about the funeral, he said the
:06:31. > :06:37.funeral rock and thank you for the flowers. He also spoke about that
:06:37. > :06:42.my boyfriend loved a and he cared for me. But Ellis's dead boyfriend
:06:42. > :06:47.never existed. My boyfriend is not dead and none of my boyfriends in
:06:47. > :06:51.the past have died. Now we get three experts, all psychic
:06:51. > :06:57.entertainers or magicians to analyse Stephen's performance. They
:06:57. > :07:00.all say he is using traditional magician's techniques. To her by
:07:00. > :07:09.throwing out around and date, he will get a strong sense of a hit
:07:09. > :07:19.with at least one person in the room. Random pieces of information
:07:19. > :07:24.which people will latch on to which he will then embellish. It is
:07:24. > :07:28.taking a little bit of information, scattering it around to a big group
:07:28. > :07:33.of people and finding that one person who seems to give something
:07:33. > :07:37.of. They say Stephen is practising cold reading, an entertainer's way
:07:37. > :07:42.of finding a personal details through clever questioning.
:07:42. > :07:51.look at someone and you read their micro reflections and statistically
:07:51. > :07:55.workout what is likely for that person. Like inheriting jury. --
:07:55. > :08:00.jewellery. Now Kennedy shows how easily it is done. He asks people
:08:00. > :08:04.to write down the name of somebody they have not seen for a long time.
:08:04. > :08:07.Kennedy will tell them the name using classic magician's tricks but
:08:07. > :08:13.he will also tell them their personal details using cold reading.
:08:13. > :08:21.Is that person younger than you? The best. Is it a son type figure?
:08:21. > :08:29.Yes. Has your son passed on. Yes. do not want you to get upset. Is
:08:29. > :08:34.there a piece of jewellery that is significant? Yes. Is it a ring?
:08:34. > :08:42.That is interesting. I knew those things. It is scary. This is the
:08:42. > :08:47.person with the dark hair? Yes. About this sort of length? Yes.
:08:47. > :08:53.is she saying about the dogs? This will make sense to you rather than
:08:53. > :09:01.me? Something about dogs. That is creepy. What happened. A where I
:09:01. > :09:11.used to work. I sometimes used to get puppies in who we were training.
:09:11. > :09:12.
:09:12. > :09:19.Is it Doreen Orde Dorian? Who is she? Doreen. That is my ex-boss.
:09:19. > :09:23.She died about four years ago. not psychic, but I am able to work
:09:23. > :09:30.out things by your responses and the way you react. Batters all I am
:09:30. > :09:33.doing. So they all think Stephen is putting on an act. For Stephen, for
:09:33. > :09:38.such a good talker, he turned remarkably quiet. He gave us a
:09:38. > :09:42.statement which said he would never succumb to cold reading. His
:09:42. > :09:47.questions are for clarification of the factors. And our experts are
:09:47. > :09:50.not in the least be qualified to judge has worked. He also said he
:09:50. > :09:55.did not advertise his shows as entertainment shows because they
:09:55. > :09:59.were genuine. But while he was telling us that, he changed his
:09:59. > :10:03.website to say they were for entertainment only. He would not
:10:03. > :10:07.explain that contradiction. Stranger still wear the messages he
:10:07. > :10:12.received on the psychic phone from Ennis's fictional dead boyfriend.
:10:12. > :10:16.Remember, the one she made up. His statement said that was an
:10:16. > :10:21.appalling example of theft because the spirit's message was real and
:10:21. > :10:26.meant for another person. Ennis had stolen it. Stephen would not
:10:26. > :10:29.explain why the spirit did not just say, no, that is not my ex-
:10:30. > :10:34.girlfriend. We have presented evidence suggesting Stephen
:10:34. > :10:39.Holbrook is not the real thing. He uses techniques employed by
:10:39. > :10:44.entertainers. He now admits on his website that he is an entertainer.
:10:44. > :10:48.For years, Stephen made a lot of money exploiting people's grief.
:10:48. > :10:58.Some may get comfort from what he does but they need to consider the
:10:58. > :10:58.
:10:58. > :11:02.tricks of the trade we have shown Still to come: The tragic legacy of
:11:02. > :11:12.a caving rescue here in the Peak District. When I got there, it did
:11:12. > :11:15.
:11:15. > :11:19.Now, when a London council recently suggested people move north to help
:11:19. > :11:25.with their housing shortage, it was a concept which drew a lot of
:11:25. > :11:28.negative headlines but it is not a new idea. Over a decade ago lot of
:11:28. > :11:38.Cockneys moved up here for a fresh start in a new home. How did they
:11:38. > :11:44.
:11:44. > :11:48.take to life in the north and could London councils may be moving
:11:48. > :11:53.people to area where rents are cheaper like the north of England
:11:53. > :11:56.and it has caused uproar. It is wrong, inappropriate and
:11:56. > :12:00.potentially against the law. here in Huddersfield it did not
:12:00. > :12:04.seem like a ridiculous idea because they have done it 12 years ago. It
:12:04. > :12:09.is not the most obvious of places to look for a solution to the
:12:09. > :12:11.capital's housing crisis but Huddersfield was for a short while
:12:11. > :12:19.the destination of choice for Cockneys looking to move out of
:12:19. > :12:24.time. I said anything near Halifax is wonderful. It cannot be that bad.
:12:24. > :12:28.It was a Mini exodus, hundreds of Londoners making new lives in this
:12:28. > :12:32.land of rolling hills and empty spaces and at the time, a load of
:12:32. > :12:39.empty council houses. Some of these houses were houses we sold to
:12:39. > :12:43.London people who came for a look around. Back in 1999, this man's
:12:43. > :12:51.job was to find new tenants to fill 1,000 of those homes. In those days
:12:51. > :12:55.I used to get up early at 5:30am and watch breakfast television.
:12:55. > :12:59.Tony Blair has talked about the scandal of people living rough on
:12:59. > :13:05.the streets. At that time they were doing interviews for people in
:13:05. > :13:08.London who were homeless people. I thought, even if we could get some
:13:08. > :13:12.of our properties in Kirklees for these homeless people, that would
:13:12. > :13:17.be really good to get half a dozen people out of London into a nice
:13:17. > :13:27.house. He took his idea around councils in inner-city London and
:13:27. > :13:28.
:13:28. > :13:33.persuaded them to send prospective This is one of our three-bedroom
:13:33. > :13:37.houses. New PVC windows. I was very cautious to tell them that it was
:13:37. > :13:44.going to be easy to come out of London into Kirklees because if
:13:44. > :13:48.they were not sure, it would be a difficult way to get back. Some
:13:48. > :13:52.people were able to resist the delights of Huddersfield and headed
:13:52. > :13:58.straight back to London but many others took up the offer. The
:13:58. > :14:06.questionnaires, did it ever become home? -- the question it is. This
:14:06. > :14:12.moved up with a extended family from the East End. I built this
:14:12. > :14:19.about eight years ago. Joyce has won prizes for the way she has
:14:19. > :14:24.looked after the properties. They become homes. My daughter moved up
:14:24. > :14:29.here first. She found a scheme that was moving people up north and they
:14:29. > :14:34.were now living here on the same street. They said, why don't you
:14:34. > :14:39.get one, up mum? I said, they are never going to get me a property.
:14:39. > :14:46.The chances of me getting one in London were nothing. Within the
:14:46. > :14:52.first couple of weeks, they offered me a flat around the corner. We
:14:52. > :14:57.didn't even know we with different. Sometimes it was fun. The words
:14:57. > :15:03.they say different live. But, you know, we didn't have too much
:15:03. > :15:08.problem. This seemed to work with us. Up to 1,000 people moved out of
:15:08. > :15:14.London in a two-year period. were the pioneers and people from
:15:14. > :15:19.Newcastle, Hull, anywhere with lots and lots of properties. The new
:15:19. > :15:24.tenants were happy, too. A BBC film crew caught up with a family who
:15:24. > :15:29.had moved to an estate in Lincoln in 2001. I was shocked when people
:15:29. > :15:36.would say excuse me, thank you, good morning. I am not used to
:15:36. > :15:41.that! We used to have to go out in the morning and make sure there was
:15:41. > :15:45.no syringes and broken glass before we took them to school. This is
:15:45. > :15:50.Colin today and running a volunteer group on the same estate and
:15:50. > :15:55.cooking up a full English for friends and neighbours every Friday.
:15:55. > :15:58.I have done lots of gardening, lots of decorating, lots of clearing the
:15:58. > :16:03.snow, a lot of shopping for all Dave pension has been they could
:16:03. > :16:09.not get out. We have done a lot. Many of their friends and
:16:09. > :16:13.neighbours are also Londoners in exile. There are people near us now
:16:13. > :16:19.who only lived a few miles away from where we used to live, which
:16:19. > :16:23.is strange. It was a bit weird when I first moved. I thought they had
:16:23. > :16:31.just invented the wheel. Obviously London is a bit faster than what
:16:31. > :16:35.Lincoln is. It is the best thing we've done. I have two kids. The
:16:35. > :16:40.16-year-old stayed on at school, the 14-year-old is deciding what he
:16:40. > :16:43.wants to do but they would not have got that choice in London. Spurred
:16:43. > :16:46.on by the success in places like Huddersfield and Lincoln, the out
:16:46. > :16:50.of London project was extended and became part of a national scheme.
:16:50. > :16:53.Council tenants could now relocate anywhere in the country. We had
:16:54. > :16:58.many thousands of very happy tenants moving, often to be closer
:16:58. > :17:04.to their families, and it was very successful and actually very cost-
:17:04. > :17:09.effective. In 2004, the government of the day decided it wanted to
:17:09. > :17:12.test out the value of the scheme and it therefore gave the contract
:17:12. > :17:15.to another organisation to run the national scheme.
:17:15. > :17:20.But computer software problems stopped it dead. No-one was moving
:17:20. > :17:22.anywhere, and it was haemorrhaging money. The programme was so badly
:17:22. > :17:31.delayed that with �10 million already spent, the government axed
:17:31. > :17:35.the contract and suspended all house move schemes. London councils
:17:35. > :17:38.stepped in but the momentum was already lost. There is no longer a
:17:38. > :17:44.mobility scheme, but there are still tenants who want to get out
:17:44. > :17:47.of London. I've recently suffered a couple of family bereavements. I
:17:47. > :17:52.have got health problems, disabilities, and I don't have any
:17:52. > :17:56.family in London any more so it is really important for me, when I
:17:56. > :17:59.lost my family members, to be able to move back up the north.
:17:59. > :18:04.The only option for people like Kirstein who need to stay in social
:18:04. > :18:07.housing is to find a house swap. But they have to do this for
:18:07. > :18:12.themselves, not through the council. And it's not guaranteed they will
:18:12. > :18:14.find someone in the right place who wants to move. I knew there well
:18:14. > :18:20.various websites that did have them and I found somebody surprisingly
:18:20. > :18:24.if we wanted to move to London, and this part of London, from
:18:24. > :18:30.Chesterfield. They had the same size house as me and everything and
:18:30. > :18:34.I could not believe my luck. Kirstein is now ready to move out.
:18:34. > :18:40.We started the process or 20th August and we signed the final
:18:40. > :18:46.paperwork yesterday! -- on 28th August. It doesn't necessarily
:18:46. > :18:50.always go as swiftly as you would like. London councils are now being
:18:50. > :18:55.forced to look outside the capital for emergency housing but it seems
:18:55. > :18:59.the supplier of vacant homes has dried up. We contacted housing
:18:59. > :19:04.providers across Yorkshire and Lincolnshire and ask them if they
:19:04. > :19:10.would be willing to take the London tenants. Out of 49 who responded,
:19:10. > :19:15.only four would even consider this. So there is unlikely to be another
:19:15. > :19:20.exodus to Kirklees or anywhere near here anytime soon. Thousands of
:19:20. > :19:25.people needs homes but there seems no political will to turn back the
:19:25. > :19:29.clocks. Some things are out of our control in life, whether it is
:19:29. > :19:39.health and other issues. It is kind of nice to have control over where
:19:39. > :19:40.
:19:40. > :19:43.you want to live. Now, in 1959 a young student became
:19:44. > :19:48.trapped in one of the caves that criss-crossed the landscape up here
:19:48. > :19:56.in the Peak District. Mountain rescue was still in its infancy and
:19:56. > :20:01.the mission to save him gripped the This is one of the most beautiful
:20:01. > :20:06.places in the country - the Derbyshire Peak District. These
:20:06. > :20:11.limestone hills are hollow, full of caves and underground passages. For
:20:11. > :20:16.decades, cavers have been lured to discover the secrets of its depths.
:20:16. > :20:19.But beneath the beauty, it can be a place of danger. For 60 years,
:20:19. > :20:25.Derbyshire Cave Rescue has saved hundreds of people in trouble
:20:25. > :20:28.underground. Regular training means they are prepared for anything. But
:20:28. > :20:37.just seven years after it was formed, an incident arose which
:20:37. > :20:40.tested the fledgling organisation to its limits. This is Peak Cavern
:20:40. > :20:47.where in 1959 the world watched, gripped, while one of the most
:20:47. > :20:53.dramatic cave rescue bids in history took place. You could hear
:20:53. > :20:58.his heart beating, you could hear him making noises. But at about two,
:20:58. > :21:01.it went quiet. If you'd seen it, it looked
:21:01. > :21:04.absolutely suicidal to go down there.
:21:04. > :21:07.On 22nd of March 1959, a group of cavers entered Peak Cavern near
:21:07. > :21:10.Castleton in Derbyshire with the intention of exploring a newly
:21:10. > :21:15.discovered shaft. Their route would take them a kilometre underground,
:21:15. > :21:19.eventually ending at a large chamber.
:21:19. > :21:21.Among the party was Neil Moss, a young man from Oxford University, a
:21:21. > :21:29.philosophy student with a passion for caving, eager to discover the
:21:29. > :21:32.hidden depths of this enormous cave system. He was 6 ft 3, fit. The
:21:32. > :21:35.journey was a challenge, taking in water, long crawls and tight
:21:35. > :21:40.squeezes, but Neil was an experienced caver.
:21:40. > :21:44.An hour and a half later, the party had arrived at the chamber. Neil
:21:44. > :21:49.volunteered to go down first, into a passage which was no more than a
:21:49. > :21:55.narrow tube. Ten minutes later, and 40 feet down, he was in trouble.
:21:55. > :21:58.The problem was caused by the fact he was so tall. When he got to the
:21:58. > :22:04.narrow bit, he couldn't bend his legs to set foot on the ladder.
:22:04. > :22:08.That's when he shouted he was stuck. The rest of the party tried pulling
:22:09. > :22:14.him out, but the ladder had got stuck. They got ropes round him,
:22:14. > :22:18.but one after another broke. He was starting to lose consciousness
:22:18. > :22:21.because of the foul air. One of the party made the long
:22:21. > :22:25.journey to the surface to raise the alarm. Volunteer cavers made their
:22:25. > :22:28.way to the chamber. Some went down the shaft several times, but each
:22:28. > :22:31.time were driven back by the lack of oxygen.
:22:31. > :22:34.It was clear the situation was desperate. Neil's parents were
:22:34. > :22:36.informed, and the rescue was stepped up.
:22:36. > :22:42.Before long, this quiet village became the centre of a massive
:22:42. > :22:49.rescue operation. Hundreds of people turned out to offer to help
:22:49. > :22:55.in whatever way they could. It was just like a fairground. Lama will
:22:55. > :23:00.vehicles of all descriptions. Ambulances, but National Coal Board.
:23:00. > :23:03.At that time, we had no idea what was happening. Lorry-loads of
:23:03. > :23:10.oxygen arrived, doctors from the nearby RAF base called in, and the
:23:10. > :23:16.BBC transmitted regular bulletins. A rope has been put around the
:23:16. > :23:21.injured student and they've managed to move him about two feet.
:23:21. > :23:27.there a doctor passing him oxygen? Yes. Is this Judean conscious?
:23:27. > :23:30.don't think so far. -- is the student conscious? The rescue had
:23:30. > :23:34.now gone into its second day. About this time a young caver called
:23:34. > :23:36.Ralph Johnson turned up to offer his help. He was only 17, small and
:23:36. > :23:43.perfect for the job. I was overwhelmed. I had never done
:23:43. > :23:49.anything like that before. When I got there, it didn't look good. I
:23:49. > :23:54.looked down the hall and there was a ladder down, and oxygen line to
:23:54. > :23:59.Neil. I went down with a safety line and an oxygen line to me. You
:23:59. > :24:02.can imagine what it was like with all of these pipes.
:24:02. > :24:09.By now doctors were working in shifts to attend Neil should they
:24:09. > :24:13.manage to get him out. Geoffrey Willis was a young GP from Buxton.
:24:13. > :24:18.We were there for hours, pumping oxygen and listening to the
:24:18. > :24:25.breathing. It would very. Sometimes it was quite regular, sometimes it
:24:25. > :24:30.would fade away. Then they would pump more oxygen down. We hoped we
:24:30. > :24:40.were going to do something. It was frantic, the efforts to try and
:24:40. > :24:41.
:24:41. > :24:43.help him. By now, the story had gone global.
:24:43. > :24:50.Telegrams were arriving from France, Germany, America, suggesting ways
:24:50. > :24:55.of helping Neil. Castleton resident Pat Dale remembers. I was in the
:24:55. > :24:59.post office when the telegrams were coming in. Bearing in mind they had
:24:59. > :25:05.the minimal amount of words on a telegram to try to get the
:25:05. > :25:12.explanation across as to how they could get this young man out of the
:25:12. > :25:19.cave. It was quite distressing listening to the people trying to
:25:19. > :25:27.explain by telegram what to do. Rubber night, conditions had
:25:27. > :25:34.worsened. -- throughout the night. The idea was that I would go down
:25:34. > :25:38.and attach a rope to him. By this time they had put an iron hook on
:25:38. > :25:42.the end of the rope and the idea was to get it under his armpits.
:25:42. > :25:46.But to be honest, I didn't know where he was. All I could do was
:25:46. > :25:49.feel him. Before I went down, I thought it
:25:49. > :25:53.didn't seem possible they wouldn't get him out, but when I went down,
:25:53. > :25:59.it became obvious it was a lost cause. Despite the best efforts of
:25:59. > :26:05.the rescuers, nothing more could be done. Neil was close to death.
:26:05. > :26:12.He was making noises, very weak, like someone asleep. Just making
:26:12. > :26:20.sounds. Sadly... The last sound he made was at 2am. The eye was
:26:20. > :26:29.standing on his shoulders. But I couldn't actually see him. I knew I
:26:29. > :26:32.was standing on somebody because it was soft. That was it. I had to
:26:33. > :26:36.come out. Neil Moss died early in the morning
:26:36. > :26:39.on Tuesday 24th March, 36 hours after entering the shaft. The
:26:39. > :26:43.rescue was abandoned and everyone made their way out.
:26:43. > :26:53.Neil's father had kept vigil through the long hours. As Geoffrey
:26:53. > :26:53.
:26:53. > :26:59.Willis left the cave, he noticed him nearby. One sad, sad thing.
:26:59. > :27:04.Neil Moss's father was standing apart on his own. I wish I had gone
:27:04. > :27:08.and spoken to him but I felt I would leave him to his own grief
:27:08. > :27:12.really. His parents made it clear we
:27:12. > :27:21.weren't to risk anyone else. Neil was dead and nothing would bring
:27:21. > :27:28.him back. If we could have got the body out, it would have been nice
:27:28. > :27:36.but we were not to take any risks. Several attempts were made to
:27:36. > :27:40.remove Neil's body but they've proved fruitless so it was decided
:27:40. > :27:43.it should be his final resting place. The shaft was blocked up and
:27:43. > :27:49.his body is still there today. The people of Castleton will never
:27:49. > :27:54.forget what happened over those days in 1959. It was a very sad
:27:54. > :27:58.affair and of course it lingers on. We all know that Neil Moss's body
:27:58. > :28:02.is there and there is nothing anybody can do about it. Nobody
:28:02. > :28:04.will ever go down again. Many lessons were learned from the
:28:04. > :28:09.Neil Moss tragedy and Derbyshire Cave Rescue was completely
:28:09. > :28:14.reorganised as a result of it. are often asked if the same thing
:28:14. > :28:18.happened today, what would be the result? It is difficult to say.
:28:18. > :28:28.Things have moved on unbelievably in those 50 years but it would
:28:28. > :28:31.
:28:31. > :28:35.That is all from us in the Peak District. Remember if you have got