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:00:11. > :00:13.Hello and welcome to Monday in Parliament, our look

:00:14. > :00:18.Asleep at the wheel - Labour's verdict as over a thousand

:00:19. > :00:32.They have been losing ?1 million a day as a result of this slump in

:00:33. > :00:38.steel prices. All that the industry has asked for, including the unions,

:00:39. > :00:39.is a level playing field and that is what we are achieving.

:00:40. > :00:41.Recriminations on Trident at Defence Questions -

:00:42. > :00:47.including from a former shadow defence minister.

:00:48. > :00:54.Despite ill informed comments from my own party at the weekend, which

:00:55. > :00:56.he also agree with me that simply you cannot turn on and off like a

:00:57. > :00:57.tap when you need them? And an unusual thought

:00:58. > :01:08.on what motivates people It would be popular to inflict pain

:01:09. > :01:11.or submit pain by green policies. 50 shades of green, you might say.

:01:12. > :01:14.But first - news of over a thousand jobs lost in the steel industry

:01:15. > :01:17.was delivered to MPs by the business minister Anna Soubry.

:01:18. > :01:19.The cuts have been announced by Tata, with the majority

:01:20. > :01:23.Labour has accused the government of "warm words but very

:01:24. > :01:30.This morning, Tata Steel announced plans to make over 1,000

:01:31. > :01:32.redundancies across its UK strip business as part

:01:33. > :01:36.of its continuing restructuring plans.

:01:37. > :01:38.The proposals involve 750 job losses at Port Talbot,

:01:39. > :01:44.200 redundancies in support functions at Llanwern,

:01:45. > :01:46.and 100 redundancies at steel mills in Trostre,

:01:47. > :01:53.This will be a difficult time for all the workers

:01:54. > :01:56.and their families, and our thoughts must be with them.

:01:57. > :01:59.Our immediate focus will be on helping any workers

:02:00. > :02:00.who lose their jobs back into employment

:02:01. > :02:15.It is important to remember the fundamental problems facing our

:02:16. > :02:18.steel industry are the fall and the world price caused by the

:02:19. > :02:23.overproduction and under consumption of steel and we know for example

:02:24. > :02:30.that the prices have almost have it in the last 12 months and we also

:02:31. > :02:35.know that Tata have been losing ?1 million a day as a result of this

:02:36. > :02:39.slump in steel prices. All the industry has asked for and that

:02:40. > :02:44.includes the unions is a level playing field and that is what we

:02:45. > :02:52.are achieving. I can inform the House that the Government have been

:02:53. > :02:58.closely working with Tata to a singable future.

:02:59. > :03:00.Tata's announcement of 1,050 job losses across Port Talbot,

:03:01. > :03:02.Llanwern, Trostre, Corby and Hartlepool is devastating news

:03:03. > :03:04.for all the workers, their families and the close-knit

:03:05. > :03:13.This latest bombshell comes on top of job losses at Tata's Newport

:03:14. > :03:15.plant last year, along with thousands of job losses

:03:16. > :03:17.across the sector in the UK, including the complete

:03:18. > :03:25.At this time of crisis for the UK steel industry,

:03:26. > :03:29.all we seem to get from this Government is warm words but very

:03:30. > :03:38.The Government have been asleep at the wheel. They have not been tough

:03:39. > :03:42.enough with the Chinese are active and of what the European Union. They

:03:43. > :03:48.have made no concessions on the business rate system, which actively

:03:49. > :03:52.penalises those who invest in expensive infrastructure to improve

:03:53. > :03:57.productivity and there is no sign that their technical change to

:03:58. > :04:00.procurement rules as making any difference in the awarding of

:04:01. > :04:04.Government contracts to help our domestic industry. When are we going

:04:05. > :04:09.to get effective action from this Government and not just one words?

:04:10. > :04:10.-- warm. The Government need to ensure that

:04:11. > :04:13.every penny of public money spent, directly or indirectly,

:04:14. > :04:15.on steel procurement should be spent Is she now saying she has secured

:04:16. > :04:19.such changes in European law and rules that she can actually

:04:20. > :04:22.specify that all railway and construction steel paid

:04:23. > :04:40.for by Britain will be British? I'm amazed at the honourable

:04:41. > :04:43.gentleman taking such a view. We are good friends and we agree on many

:04:44. > :04:49.things. I think the most important point is that we have change these

:04:50. > :04:54.procurement rules and we're the first of any country in the EU. I

:04:55. > :04:56.can assure the minister that the people of my constituency

:04:57. > :04:58.are listening carefully constituency to what is being said today.

:04:59. > :05:01.I also assure her that there is palpable anger and frustration

:05:02. > :05:05.The claimed action on energy has still not been implemented.

:05:06. > :05:07.The claimed action on procurement amounts to so-called open

:05:08. > :05:12.advertising, while Hinkley Point has no British steel.

:05:13. > :05:17.The Government use the EU as an excuse for delay,

:05:18. > :05:22.while being China's chief cheerleader in Europe.

:05:23. > :05:26.This is all about all those men and women who work at Tata

:05:27. > :05:39.I pay tribute to some of the work that the hon Gentleman has done.

:05:40. > :05:42.I met the leader of Port Talbot port and I hope that we can continue that

:05:43. > :05:45.discussion, because there is much that can be done.

:05:46. > :05:48.I say to the hon Gentleman that it would really help if we all worked

:05:49. > :05:50.together on this, because we all agree.

:05:51. > :05:54.It was the box office event of the day -

:05:55. > :05:56.should Donald Trump be banned from entering the UK?

:05:57. > :05:59.Ahead of the debate, there was a lot of publicity -

:06:00. > :06:05.The debate was triggered by a petition signed by over half

:06:06. > :06:07.a million people condemning Mr Trump's proposal that Muslims

:06:08. > :06:13.MPs united to condemn the remarks made by Mr Trump,

:06:14. > :06:18.who wants to be the next US President.

:06:19. > :06:22.But there was strong disagreement over the imposition of a ban.

:06:23. > :06:25.There was a large turnout of Mps for the debate and the public

:06:26. > :06:28.It was held in the normally low-key surroundings of Westminster Hall.

:06:29. > :06:44.The Labour MP Paul Flynn kicked off proceedings.

:06:45. > :06:49.instances gone attention is that Mr Trump mocked a man for his

:06:50. > :06:53.disability in a cruel way and said to the people of Mexico that he

:06:54. > :06:57.would bundle them up as people who were rapists and drug abusers. He

:06:58. > :07:04.made degrading remarks about women and one is to suggest that Muslims

:07:05. > :07:08.should not be allowed into his country, which is an extraordinary

:07:09. > :07:09.and extremely dangerous thing to say.

:07:10. > :07:12.For all that, he didn't think Mr Trump should be banned.

:07:13. > :07:26.But a Labour colleague took a very different view.

:07:27. > :07:33.This online petition shows that when we feel we need to stop a poisonous

:07:34. > :07:39.man from entering our society, they will act in good conscience. This is

:07:40. > :07:43.a man who is extremely high profile, involved in the American show

:07:44. > :07:44.business industry for years, a man who is interviewing for the most

:07:45. > :07:51.important job in the world. I have heard large number

:07:52. > :07:53.of my constituents make similar Her views and those of Donald Trump,

:07:54. > :08:00.who thinks that Muslims are all the same,

:08:01. > :08:08.are strikingly similar. Does she think they should be

:08:09. > :08:13.expelled from the country for their views? It's not the same as as

:08:14. > :08:17.making a decision not to let people into the country whose views are

:08:18. > :08:18.falling short of Home Office guidance.

:08:19. > :08:20.But another Muslim MP said she would welcome Mr Trump

:08:21. > :08:29.I stand here as a proud British Muslim woman,

:08:30. > :08:35.and he would like me to be banned from America.

:08:36. > :08:43.I would not get a visa but my Islam and, as I understand it,

:08:44. > :08:51.Surah 41, verse 34 teaches me - this is not word for word,

:08:52. > :08:54.but what I take from my Koran - that goodness is better than evil.

:08:55. > :08:56.If someone does bad, you do good in return.

:08:57. > :08:58.Victoria Atkins didn't think Mr Trump should be banned

:08:59. > :09:02.His comments about Muslims are wrong.

:09:03. > :09:05.His policy to close borders, if he is elected as President,

:09:06. > :09:11.If he met one or two of my constituents in one

:09:12. > :09:14.of the many excellent pubs in my constituency,

:09:15. > :09:17.they may well tell him that he is a wazzock for dealing

:09:18. > :09:27.This is a man who seeks to be President of the United States

:09:28. > :09:30.of America, and we think we need to educate him.

:09:31. > :09:33.We should be very worried if a man lacking such education seeks

:09:34. > :09:50.Here is a buffoon and that should not be met with a bang but with the

:09:51. > :09:57.classic British response of ridicule. I thank the member for his

:09:58. > :10:02.intervention and it is within the gift of the British state, about

:10:03. > :10:07.which he speaks, to deal with Mr Trump in the same manner as we have

:10:08. > :10:12.dealt with other people and I accept you have referred to Mr Trump's

:10:13. > :10:20.buffoonery but I have to say that his remarks are condemning an entire

:10:21. > :10:24.religion of faith, which I practice. We have heard a lot of talk about

:10:25. > :10:32.buffoonery, blunt, direct. If I was a Muslim. I'm not, I'm an atheist. I

:10:33. > :10:36.would find repulsive, the thought that I should be its coded from the

:10:37. > :10:42.United States of America for no other reason that I was a Muslim.

:10:43. > :10:44.The renewal of Trident - unsurprisingly - dominated questions

:10:45. > :10:47.Since the last question time for that department,

:10:48. > :10:49.Labour's front bench has been reshuffled -

:10:50. > :10:51.with Maria Eagle replaced by Emily Thornberry,

:10:52. > :10:54.Maria Eagle's departure prompted another Labour minister,

:10:55. > :10:57.Kevan Jones - to quit - and he was one of a number of Labour

:10:58. > :11:03.MPs who used the occasion to signal their support for Trident.

:11:04. > :11:06.I hope you will allow me, Mr Speaker, to formally welcome

:11:07. > :11:14.the new Shadow Secretary of State and her team,

:11:15. > :11:17.and to regret the removal of their mainstream moderate

:11:18. > :11:19.predecessors, the hon Members for Garston and Halewood

:11:20. > :11:37.I thank the Secretary of State and the hon Member for Argyll

:11:38. > :11:42.The Secretary of State has the honour of having perhaps

:11:43. > :11:48.Hopefully we will change roles fairly soon.

:11:49. > :11:53.He can be assured that difficult questions will be asked

:11:54. > :11:55.and that we hope to work with the Government where we can

:11:56. > :12:00.for the sake of the security of people in Britain.

:12:01. > :12:03.Senior military personnel have repeatedly warned that the RAF has

:12:04. > :12:05.been at full stretch, and that was even before the air

:12:06. > :12:12.A squadron of F-35s has only just been ordered,

:12:13. > :12:16.but will not come into service for several years.

:12:17. > :12:19.In the meantime, the air campaign against Daesh will be dependent

:12:20. > :12:23.Can the Secretary of State tell us how long he believes the air

:12:24. > :12:31.I thank the hon Lady for her initial remarks.

:12:32. > :12:34.I note her ambition to move from the Opposition side

:12:35. > :12:36.of the House to the Government side, which was presumably shared

:12:37. > :12:39.by the two previous shadow Defence Secretaries that I have

:12:40. > :12:46.Let me just say to her gently that a defence policy of nuclear

:12:47. > :12:56.submarines with no nuclear weapons, that regards Daesh as having "strong

:12:57. > :13:00.points", and that wants to end the Falkland Islanders' right

:13:01. > :13:03.to self-determination, may be Labour's defence policy,

:13:04. > :13:06.The former Defence Minister - and until recently Shadow Defence

:13:07. > :13:08.Minister - Kevan Jones criticised his own party.

:13:09. > :13:11.Does the Minister agree that the issue is about not just

:13:12. > :13:15.the number of jobs involved in the Successor programme,

:13:16. > :13:16.but the high-skill nature of those jobs?

:13:17. > :13:19.Despite ill-informed comments from my own party at the weekend

:13:20. > :13:23.with regard to those jobs, does he also agree that we cannot

:13:24. > :13:30.simply turn them on and off like a tap when we need them?

:13:31. > :13:32.I would like to add my tribute to the hon Gentleman's stalwart

:13:33. > :13:35.work, both on the Government Benches when he was a Defence Minister

:13:36. > :13:39.and on the Opposition Benches when he was a shadow; it is a sorry

:13:40. > :13:45.state of affairs to see him sitting right at the back

:13:46. > :13:49.The hon Gentleman is, of course, quite right to point out that this

:13:50. > :13:54.is a long-term endeavour: to design and build a nuclear-enabled

:13:55. > :13:57.This is a 35-year project from initial conception

:13:58. > :14:05.The replacement of the nuclear deterrent is, of course,

:14:06. > :14:06.a sovereign decision of the United Kingdom

:14:07. > :14:09.However, deciding not to proceed would have

:14:10. > :14:16.Will the Minister tell us what he feels the repercussions

:14:17. > :14:20.would be for Nato, and for Britain's standing in Nato, should we decide

:14:21. > :14:30.Our deterrent is a Nato asset, so the Nato alliance depends in part

:14:31. > :14:39.on our ability to make that asset available should the need arise.

:14:40. > :14:42.Our Nato allies are taking a very intense interest

:14:43. > :14:44.in the deliberations of this House and the hon Lady is right

:14:45. > :14:49.In what circumstances does the Minister intend to use

:14:50. > :14:54.I think this gets to the heart of the confusion that lies

:14:55. > :14:56.at the centre of Scottish Nationalist party policy.

:14:57. > :14:59.The deterrent has been in use every single day - and night -

:15:00. > :15:08.If the UK were to go down the route of decommissioning its warheads,

:15:09. > :15:11.in the so-called Japanese style, and then were to decide it needed

:15:12. > :15:20.to recommission them at some future point,

:15:21. > :15:23.is it the Government's assessment that it could do so and remain

:15:24. > :15:28.compatible with the nonproliferation treaty?

:15:29. > :15:31.First, let me make it clear that Japan does not have nuclear-powered

:15:32. > :15:33.submarines and does not have nuclear weapons,

:15:34. > :15:36.so talk of some Japanese option is entirely farcical.

:15:37. > :15:39.Gentleman's question is concerned, we have no

:15:40. > :15:56.The Defence Secretary, Michael Fallon.

:15:57. > :15:57.You're watching Monday in Parliament.

:15:58. > :16:00.Still to come - one Muslim peer says people of her faith

:16:01. > :16:13.Isn't the question of celebrating all religions have in common and not

:16:14. > :16:26.choosing some as terrorists and The head of the NHS in England has

:16:27. > :16:31.claimed that "rip off" fees charged for agency staff are responsible

:16:32. > :16:34.for almost the whole of the record deficit expected to be run up

:16:35. > :16:36.by Hospital Trusts this year. Simon Stevens was giving evidence

:16:37. > :16:38.with senior colleagues to parliament's public spending

:16:39. > :16:40.watchdog the Public Accounts Committee following a report

:16:41. > :16:42.by the National Audit Office which showed, in the words

:16:43. > :16:44.of the committee chairman, that acute hospital trusts

:16:45. > :16:53.were at crisis point: the report paints an alarming

:16:54. > :17:00.picture, one of the most stark reports but my vice chair is not

:17:01. > :17:07.here. This 4% of efficiencies over the last five years and proceeding

:17:08. > :17:12.is now unsustainable. The report shows getting by on cash hand-outs

:17:13. > :17:24.and the planned to get budgets back on track smacks to us really the bad

:17:25. > :17:29.and we are concerned that it could be it was set out in the autumn 2014

:17:30. > :17:35.report, I do not think anyone predicted this scale of exploitation

:17:36. > :17:42.to be frank. This is what we have experienced from these temporary

:17:43. > :17:50.agencies and the impact that that had to the problems individual

:17:51. > :17:55.trusts different elements, I will. How much of the 1.8 billion deficit

:17:56. > :18:04.since you have raised it do you think is down to the? I have not got

:18:05. > :18:13.a precise figure but I do think a significant impact on it is hard to

:18:14. > :18:18.say specifically, but the agency spent this year will probably get to

:18:19. > :18:22.around ?4 billion. If you're able to stop that, you will no longer have a

:18:23. > :18:31.problem, is that your analysis? That will be a big part of the solution

:18:32. > :18:39.for next year, there are other things and the to what is needed

:18:40. > :18:46.here. I think we have had a collective action problems

:18:47. > :18:53.individual agencies to play one part of the health service of against

:18:54. > :18:57.another. There is a desire to the same time as supply has been

:18:58. > :19:06.constrained. It is a perfect storm in terms you use I previously said

:19:07. > :19:11.rip-off. But Mr Stevens' suggested solution,

:19:12. > :19:14.for hospitals to band together and collectively exert a downward

:19:15. > :19:34.pressure on agency prices, You and to broadly, that is full is

:19:35. > :19:50.in some environments, in some countries, that you are unable, but

:19:51. > :19:54.it using to a very serious impact on the market that doctors and nurses

:19:55. > :20:01.work in. You may well be comfortable with that, that gives them the

:20:02. > :20:11.option of going abroad, as though that is the answer you it is legal

:20:12. > :20:17.to do what we are planning to do, it is material, it is not the only

:20:18. > :20:25.explanation for the deficit but it is a. In agency workforce, they are

:20:26. > :20:29.doing their extra time through an agency. It feels to me absolutely

:20:30. > :20:35.wrong, it is toxic for the staff they leave behind, it is toxic for

:20:36. > :20:38.the staff they work alongside and it is hugely inflationary. However it

:20:39. > :20:42.has happened, there has been a huge growth in that regard and I think it

:20:43. > :20:49.our job is our job

:20:50. > :20:52.It was a distorted market, he said, and had to change.

:20:53. > :20:55.Now, the Prime Minister has said he wants to help women learn English

:20:56. > :20:59.David Cameron also suggested failing to learn English could affect people

:21:00. > :21:01.on spousal visas who wanted to settle in the UK.

:21:02. > :21:04.He's announced a ?20m fund to provide English lessons in homes,

:21:05. > :21:08.But in the Lords, one peer suggested that Muslims were being branded

:21:09. > :21:26.to talk of celebrating differences while at the same time, Muslims in

:21:27. > :21:36.particular are being demonised at is it a question of what all religions

:21:37. > :21:43.have in common and not using some as terrorists and others I think the

:21:44. > :21:48.noble lady has a very good points, we can celebrate differences while

:21:49. > :21:57.Lady Williams of Trafford. particularly faith that unite

:21:58. > :22:00.Now - the Government's confirmed it will push ahead with plans to scrap

:22:01. > :22:02.subsidies for new onshore wind farms in England.

:22:03. > :22:04.The Government's original Energy Bill set out provisions

:22:05. > :22:07.to get rid of the subsidies from April of this year -

:22:08. > :22:10.That was blocked in the House of Lords.

:22:11. > :22:12.But as MPs began their consideration of the legislation,

:22:13. > :22:15.the Energy Secretary, Amber Rudd, said that measure would be

:22:16. > :22:25.there is no ambiguity on this. This is a manifesto commitment. We

:22:26. > :22:30.signalled our thinking before the last election and we put before the

:22:31. > :22:35.British people in black and white to attend new public subsidies for

:22:36. > :22:41.onshore wind. There commitments that are well understood and we will

:22:42. > :22:47.stand onshore wind has deployed successfully to date and is

:22:48. > :22:51.projected to meet by 2020, without action there is a risk of deploying

:22:52. > :22:56.beyond this range, potentially adding more cost to consumer bills

:22:57. > :22:59.and squeezing out opportunities for the renewables like offshore wind to

:23:00. > :23:04.mature and bring down the course. Could the Secretary of State

:23:05. > :23:09.explained if she wants to promote a more expensive form of renewable

:23:10. > :23:15.energy or missing the target and Coogee confirm that the estimate of

:23:16. > :23:23.the annual savings of what, the lowest range of savings is just the

:23:24. > :23:32.honourable gentleman asked me a false question. We have to deliver

:23:33. > :23:38.on our that is the subsidies, but we will still be making our target

:23:39. > :23:43.which we put in 2012 to do 11 to 13 gigawatts by 2020 and that is

:23:44. > :23:49.consistent with our progress. In terms of the amount taking these

:23:50. > :23:55.actions, our lowest estimate is about 20 million per year and

:23:56. > :23:59.highest is 200 million per year, so these are significant sums and I

:24:00. > :24:04.would urge them not to discount them as trivial. There is one area where

:24:05. > :24:09.we do agree with government on this and that is that wind farms should

:24:10. > :24:14.not be imposed on communities that do not want them. That is why we

:24:15. > :24:20.support the proposals to put local authorities in charge of approvals

:24:21. > :24:28.for these projects, but the reality is are using this bill to try and

:24:29. > :24:32.strong local support and they are taking such powers away from local

:24:33. > :24:46.authorities in relation to other areas. Fuel poverty, it exists in

:24:47. > :24:56.actual, onshore wind is cheap in the closure is set to save the bill

:24:57. > :24:58.to an to an

:24:59. > :25:03.But one Conservative MP felt increasingly uncomfortable...

:25:04. > :25:13.there is a book which sucked the surprising popularity demonstrated

:25:14. > :25:21.that sadomasochism, and submission to pain are far more widespread

:25:22. > :25:26.taste than it seems to me that in the political sphere, there is a

:25:27. > :25:30.similar belief that it would be popular to inflict pain why green

:25:31. > :25:39.And that's all from me for now. policies. 50 shades of green,

:25:40. > :25:43.Keith Macdougall's here for the rest of the week -