:00:13. > :00:14.Hello and welcome to Monday in Parliament, where the debate
:00:15. > :00:17.about whether the United Kingdom should be IN or OUT
:00:18. > :00:24.David Cameron declares he will be campaigning hard for the UK to stay
:00:25. > :00:36.I have no other agenda than what is best for our country.
:00:37. > :00:42.I am standing here telling you what I think. Responsibility is to speak
:00:43. > :00:45.plainly about what I think is right the country.
:00:46. > :00:47.But Boris Johnson questions whether his deal has
:00:48. > :00:51.May I ask my right honourable Friend the Prime Minister to explain
:00:52. > :00:53.to the House and the country in exactly what way this deal
:00:54. > :00:56.returns sovereignty over any field of lawmaking to these
:00:57. > :01:05.Also on the programme, immigration rules are blamed
:01:06. > :01:09.for the rise in the number of so-called Skype families.
:01:10. > :01:12.He is at risk of creating a generation of children whose only
:01:13. > :01:17.contact with one of their parents will be via Skype?
:01:18. > :01:19.And freedom of speech in universities - a confession
:01:20. > :01:32.As an undergraduate I saw things in black and white terms.
:01:33. > :01:35.But first, David Cameron has fired the starting gun for a four-month
:01:36. > :01:37.battle over whether the UK should remain in the European Union
:01:38. > :01:40.It followed several days of frenetic negotiations in Brussels
:01:41. > :01:43.The talks ended with the Prime Minister saying
:01:44. > :01:45.that he had secured some important changes -
:01:46. > :01:48.reducing welfare benefits for EU migrants and protecting the UK
:01:49. > :01:55.from further political union with other EU countries.
:01:56. > :01:59.On that basis, he said he would be campaigning for the UK to remain
:02:00. > :02:03.The referendum campaign is likely to create some
:02:04. > :02:07.interesting parliamentary spectacles.
:02:08. > :02:09.Conservative MPs openly disagreeing with each other.
:02:10. > :02:14.Mr Cameron being cheered on by many Labour MPs as well as the SNP.
:02:15. > :02:16.Six Cabinet Ministers have declared that they are campaigning
:02:17. > :02:23.When Mr Cameron made his Commons statement, sitting behind him
:02:24. > :02:27.member of that group - the Commons Leader Chris Grayling.
:02:28. > :02:30.The Prime Minister told MPs the UK now had a special status
:02:31. > :02:33.and would get the best of both worlds.
:02:34. > :02:37.We will be in the parts of Europe that work for us,
:02:38. > :02:40.influencing the decisions that affect us, in the driving seat
:02:41. > :02:43.of the world s biggest single market, and with the ability to take
:02:44. > :02:47.action to keep our people safe; but we will be out of the parts
:02:48. > :02:52.We will be out of the euro, out of the eurozone bailouts,
:02:53. > :02:56.out of the passport-free, no-borders Schengen area,
:02:57. > :02:59.and permanently and legally protected from ever being part
:03:00. > :03:06.He said the EU still had room for improvement.
:03:07. > :03:08.However, with the special status that this settlement gives us,
:03:09. > :03:11.I do believe the time has come to fulfil another vital commitment
:03:12. > :03:19.that the Government made, and hold a referendum.
:03:20. > :03:22.One of the leading lights of the out campaign is the London Mayor Boris
:03:23. > :03:26.Mr Johnson has suggested that if the UK voted to leave,
:03:27. > :03:28.it could reopen negotiations to seek better terms -
:03:29. > :03:30.paving the way for second referendum.
:03:31. > :03:33.But those arguments were ridiculed by David Cameron.
:03:34. > :03:35.This is a vital decision for the future of our country,
:03:36. > :03:39.and I believe we should also be clear that it is a final decision.
:03:40. > :03:45.An idea has been put forward that if the country voted to leave,
:03:46. > :03:51.we could have a second renegotiation and perhaps another referendum.
:03:52. > :03:58.I will not dwell on the irony that some people who want to vote
:03:59. > :04:01.to leave apparently want to use a leave vote to remain,
:04:02. > :04:03.but such an approach also ignores more profound points
:04:04. > :04:09.about democracy, diplomacy and legality.
:04:10. > :04:12.Sadly, I have known a number of couples who have begun divorce
:04:13. > :04:15.proceedings, but I do not know any who have begun divorce proceedings
:04:16. > :04:24.in order to renew their marriage vows.
:04:25. > :04:29.But I believe the choice is between being an even greater
:04:30. > :04:32.Britain inside a reformed EU and a great leap into the unknown.
:04:33. > :04:38.The challenges facing the west today are genuinely threatening: Putin s
:04:39. > :04:42.aggression in the east; Islamist extremism to the south.
:04:43. > :04:47.In my view, this is no time to divide the west.
:04:48. > :04:49.When faced with challenges to our way of life,
:04:50. > :04:53.our values and our freedoms, this is a time for
:04:54. > 9:57:58And let me end by saying this: I am not standing for re-election; I have
9:57:59 > 9:57:58no other agenda than what is best for our country.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I am standing here today telling you what I think.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58My responsibility as Prime Minister is to speak plainly
9:57:59 > 9:57:58about what I believe is right for our country,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and that is what I will do every day for the next four months.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And I commend this statement to the House.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58As you can see the Commons was packed out for Mr Cameron's
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The debate went on for over two and a half hours
9:57:59 > 9:57:58with many of the big political players having their say.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58First to respond to Mr Cameron was the Labour leader,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Jeremy Corbyn who said Labour was overwhelmingly FOR remaining
9:57:59 > 9:57:58But he said Mr Cameron's deal was largely irrelevant.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58It has been a theatrical sideshow about trying to appease,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58or failing to appease, half of the Prime Minister s
9:57:59 > 9:57:58That is not to say that there have not been some worthwhile changes.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The red card system to strengthen the hands of national Parliaments
9:57:59 > 9:57:58is something that we on the Labour Benches have long backed.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Indeed, it was in the Labour manifesto for the last general
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And he dismissed the changes to benefits for EU migrants.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The changes that the Prime Minister has secured do nothing
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to address the real challenges of low pay in Britain
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and the undercutting of local wage rates
9:57:59 > 9:57:58They will not put a penny in the pockets of workers
9:57:59 > 9:57:58in Britain, stop the grotesque exploitation of many migrant workers
9:57:59 > 9:57:58or reduce inward migration to Britain.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58It is not the politics of fear to point out that those who advocate
9:57:59 > 9:57:58a no vote do not seem to know what a no vote means?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58They continually imply that all the benefits that flow
9:57:59 > 9:57:58from Europe in terms of jobs, investment and security will somehow
9:57:59 > 9:57:58continue to come here when they have swept away the obligations that
9:57:59 > 9:57:58previous British Government have always accepted.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Scotland is a European nation and the Scottish National party
9:57:59 > 9:57:58We will campaign positively to remain within the EU.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Hopefully, the Prime Minister can confirm today that he will reject
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the tactics of project fear and that he will make a positive
9:57:59 > 9:57:58case for remaining part of a reforming European Union.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58In his Bloomberg speech, he made it clear that he regarded our national
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Parliament as the root of our democracy.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Yesterday, he referred to the illusion of sovereignty .
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Will he explain and repudiate that statement, specifically in relation
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to the question now before us, our Parliament, our democracy
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and the making of our laws, which at this moment in time under
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the European Communities Act 1972, are made by a majority vote of other
9:57:59 > 9:57:58countries, are introduced by an unelected Commission,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and are enforced by the European Court of Justice?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Does he not accept that the only way of getting out of that
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and returning our democracy is to leave the European Union?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58First, I have huge respect for my hon.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Friend, who has campaigned on this issue for many years,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and the one thing he will welcome is the fact that we are now allowing
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the British people a choice on whether to stay in or leave
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the European Union. Despite assurances, it is worth
9:57:59 > 9:57:58remembering that this referendum is about the future of our country,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58not the future of a divided Conservative party.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Does the Prime Minister agree that it is not just about Britain s
9:57:59 > 9:57:58place in the European Union but about Britain s place
9:57:59 > 9:57:58in the world? Some Labour MPs are campaigning
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The Prime Minister said that great reform has been granted
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Why, then, did the French President say that the European Union has not
9:57:59 > 9:57:58granted the United Kingdom any special dispensations from its rules
9:57:59 > 9:57:58in the deal that has been struck, and go on to say
9:57:59 > 9:57:58that the Prime Minister had accepted that the City of London would not
9:57:59 > 9:57:58have special status compared with Europe s other stock exchanges?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And last, but not least Boris Johnson.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58May I ask my right honourable Friend the Prime Minister to explain
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to the House and the country in exactly what way this deal
9:57:59 > 9:57:58returns sovereignty over any field of lawmaking to these
9:57:59 > 9:57:58This deal brings back some welfare powers,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58it brings back some immigration powers, it brings back some bail-out
9:57:59 > 9:57:58powers, but more than that, because it carves us forever out
9:57:59 > 9:57:58of ever closer union, it means that the ratchet
9:57:59 > 9:57:58of the European Court taking power away from this country cannot
9:57:59 > 9:57:58For those who worry, and people do worry,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58that somehow if we vote to remain in, the consequence could be more
9:57:59 > 9:57:58action in Brussels to try and change the arrangements we have,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58we have a lock in this House of Commons: no power can be passed
9:57:59 > 9:57:58from Britain to Brussels without a referendum
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The first of many tussles on the EU between Mr Cameron
9:57:59 > 9:57:58You can find out how the debate went in the House
9:57:59 > 9:57:58You're watching Monday in Parliament, with me,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Tens of thousands of children are said to be growing up
9:57:59 > 9:57:58in so-called Skype families because the only contact they have
9:57:59 > 9:57:58with one parent is via that internet video calling service.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Opposition MPs blame immigration rules that require British citizens
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to earn ?18,600 a year before they can bring
9:57:59 > 9:57:58But the Immigration Minister insisted that the rules were fair.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The minimum income threshold of ?18,600
9:57:59 > 9:57:58for sponsoring a partner under the family immigration rules ensures
9:57:59 > 9:57:58that couples wishing to establish their family life
9:57:59 > 9:57:58in the UK do not place burdens on the taxpayer and helps
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The financial threshold family visas is causing particular distress
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to one of my constituents who cannot work the hours required,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58because she is a carer for her vulnerable child.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58This means that my constituent is living without her husband,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and the child is living without his father.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Does the Minister acknowledge that he's
9:57:59 > 9:57:58at risk of creating a generation of children whose only contact
9:57:59 > 9:57:58with one of their parents will be via Skype?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58No, I don't accept the point the honourable lady makes.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58These are issues of the welfare of the child
9:57:59 > 9:57:58are absolutely part of the consideration that we take.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58This is a matter that was considered by the Court of Appeal,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I would say to the honourable lady that when this issue
9:57:59 > 9:57:58of where the threshold was set back in 2011,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the Migration Advisory Committee gave the lower
9:57:59 > 9:57:58threshold of 18,600, but equally advised that the threshold
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The Government reflected in the circumstances,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58set the level as it has done, and that level has been upheld
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The honourable member has mentioned Skype.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58According to the Children's Commissioner for England,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58there are 15,000 British children growing up
9:57:59 > 9:57:58in these Skype families, where the only contact they have
9:57:59 > 9:57:58How can the Minister justify the stress and anxiety caused
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to children by these inflexible and unjust rules?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I don't accept the characterisation that the honourable
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Indeed, I do not recognise the number that she has proffered.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I do say that it is about ensuring good integration.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58This is part of the overall requirement in relation to language.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Yes, not being a burden on the taxpayer, but equally
9:57:59 > 9:57:58promoting integration, and we believe the policy
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Last year a Conservative think tank called on the Government to change
9:57:59 > 9:57:58these rules, noting, and I quote, "That there is a significant
9:57:59 > 9:57:58"contribution made by millions of low-paid Britons to our economy
9:57:59 > 9:57:58"and society, as well as the value of having families living together
9:57:59 > 9:57:58If the minister won't listen to the opposition on this,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58will he at least listen to a think tank from his own
9:57:59 > 9:57:58party and get rid of these rules which discriminate
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I say again to the honourable lady that we do not believe the rules
9:57:59 > 9:57:58are discriminatory and the way that she suggests and she characterises.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58This system is in place to ensure good integration.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58It is ensuring that people are not a burden on the taxpayer.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I would've thought that is something she would recognise as being
9:57:59 > 9:57:58a positive aspect of this policy, ensuring that people come
9:57:59 > 9:57:58We welcome that, but the rules have been set in the way that they have,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58have been upheld by the court and continue to underline
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Staying with Home Office questions, the Policing Minister
9:57:59 > 9:57:58was challenged over proposals under which Police and Crime Commissioners
9:57:59 > 9:57:58could take control of Fire Services in England.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Ministers hope the move will improve efficiency
9:57:59 > 9:57:58But the Fire Brigades Union is opposed to the idea,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and has accused some commissioners of ill-judged interference
9:57:59 > 9:57:58It's really important that the new generation of police
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and crime commissioners - who will be elected
9:57:59 > 9:57:58in a couple of months' time - get behond this important reform.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Will he in particular join me in the welcoming commitment
9:57:59 > 9:57:58of the excellent Conservative PCC candidate in Kent,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Matthew Scott, and his strong desire to impliment these vital reforms?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I have seen what Matthew Scott is proposing, -
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I'm sure all of us on this side hope he is elected to that office -
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and we need to make sure that we spend the taxpayers' money
9:57:59 > 9:57:58efficiently and well, and collaboration is the best way
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The minister is well aware that the Fire And Rescue Services,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58collaborate very well all over the country,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58particularly with the ambulance trusts.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Will he tell us why he sees it necessary under this new bill
9:57:59 > 9:57:58that the Police and Crime Commissioners will actually take
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Surely the two organisations are so different
9:57:59 > 9:57:58in so many ways, that you can have this collaboration without the PCC
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I think the truth of the matter is someone who is been duly elected
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to run something, like any PCC would be, is better than anyone
9:57:59 > 9:57:58At the end of the day I'm sure we all want an efficient emergency
9:57:59 > 9:57:58services, and the Fire Service working closely with the ambulance
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and police is the way we would like to do that.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Given the cuts in funding to the police service
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and the Fire And Rescue Services already budgeted for
9:57:59 > 9:57:58by this Government, can the minister guarantee that placing
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Fire And Rescue Services under PCC control
9:57:59 > 9:57:58will not lead to further cuts in the numbers
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Mr Speaker, thank goodness the Chancellor didn't listen
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to the Labour front bench when we looked
9:57:59 > 9:57:58at funding for the police until 2020, because they wanted
9:57:59 > 9:57:58What we must make sure is that we have an
9:57:59 > 9:57:58efficient service, the sort of service I would've liked to have
9:57:59 > 9:57:58had when I was in the Fire Service, and
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The Government have always justify their cuts to policing
9:57:59 > 9:57:58on the basis that crime has not gone up.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Since 2010, Greater Manchester Police
9:57:59 > 9:57:58has lost 1664 officers, more than any other force.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58However, recorded crime in Manchester is now going up,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and going up faster than any other metropolitan area.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58If crime continues to rise, will the Government reasonably
9:57:59 > 9:57:58reconsider their reductions in number of
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Mr Speaker, let's go over this again.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58We as a Government have not reduced the number of police officers
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Actually, in terms of percentages, the number has gone up.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The one party at the last election that wanted to cut the police
9:57:59 > 9:57:58budgets was the Labour Party, a group of people we did
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Over to the House of Lords now, where some peers were worried that
9:57:59 > 9:57:58freedom of speech is under threat on university campuses.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58A crossbench - or independent peer - Lady Deech gave some examples.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The silencing of a female Muslim reformer at Goldsmiths.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Smashed glass, fire alarms set off and the police called
9:57:59 > 9:57:58at Kings College London to stop an Israeli peace
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Peter Tatchell at Canterbury, and other examples.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Will the minister speak to the vice chancellors at Universities UK
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to ensure that law and freedom of speech is upheld?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58To ask whether the international reputation of our
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And to what does she attribute the stifling of intellectual freedom
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The noble lady is absolutely right, there is clear guidance
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to universities about their responsibilities to ensure free
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and open debate on campuses, and we shall give full support
9:57:59 > 9:57:58leaderships in ensuring that legitimate and open debate
9:57:59 > 9:57:58It has been concerning that we have seen a number of incidents.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The whole part of the beauty of going to
9:57:59 > 9:57:58university is to be able to debate, have your views challenged
9:57:59 > 9:57:58We must continue to support all universities to make sure that
9:57:59 > 9:57:58all students continue to have that opportunity at university.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58She said there'd been an inconsistent approach
9:57:59 > 9:57:58We have seen examples of student unions
9:57:59 > 9:57:58actively inviting speakers who promote intolerance,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58As I have said, the Government is supporting
9:57:59 > 9:57:58university leadership to ensure that we preserve freedom of speech,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58which is hugely important, and also allow students
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the opportunity to challenge and debate ideas.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Which is part of the whole purpose of
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Now is not the time for confessions, but I would observe that
9:57:59 > 9:57:58as an undergraduate, I saw things in very black-and-white terms.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I don't now, despite what might be suggested by my attire.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I would have loved to have been rebuked by Parliament
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Does the minister agree that there is a great danger
9:57:59 > 9:57:58about intervening in situations such as these, for fear of the risk
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Of course, universities are autonomous bodies.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58As I've already said, students and academics
9:57:59 > 9:57:58have the right to protest around peacefully.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58But what we can't do is quash freedom of speech
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Well, there was no stifling freedom of speech in the Lords
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Here's a Conservative former Chancellor, who chairs
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Is it is not clear that the trivial and inconsequential
9:57:59 > 9:57:58changes which the Prime Minister has secured -
9:57:59 > 9:57:58subject to the legal challenge, of course -
9:57:59 > 9:57:58fall far short of the fundamental, far-reaching reform which three
9:57:59 > 9:57:58years ago in his Bloomberg speech he said was necessary?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58He welcomed the assurance that the UK would not be part
9:57:59 > 9:57:58But, my Lords, we will still be shackled to it.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And we will have something which is the closest parallel
9:57:59 > 9:57:58It pains me to have to disagree with him, but I do disagree
9:57:59 > 9:57:58with his description, in particular, of what
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the Prime Minister secured through his renegotiation in Europe.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And to describe it as trivial and inconsequential
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And the reason why I argue that is because he's right -
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the Prime Minister does acknowledge that
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the European Union is about political union.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58But what he has secured in this document, this legally
9:57:59 > 9:57:58binding document, is that we're not a part of that.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Pro-European peers wanted the Leave campaign to spell out what leaving
9:57:59 > 9:57:58The choice, I hope she agrees, is In, or Out.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Not in, out, shake it all about, and then rashly hope that something
9:57:59 > 9:57:58helpful will turn up for a country that has abandoned all rights,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58all influence, all power by leaving the EU.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Now that the negotiations conducted by the Prime Minister can be subject
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to intense scrutiny and analysis, does my noble friend agree
9:57:59 > 9:57:58that it is very important for all possible
9:57:59 > 9:57:58alternative arrangements with the European union be subject
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to an equivilent degree of scrutiny and analysis?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58That she go back to the Cabinet and say, lets find some way
9:57:59 > 9:57:58of requiring these people, who are against the present
9:57:59 > 9:57:58arrangement, to put forward their alternatives so that we can
9:57:59 > 9:57:58They need to be required to do that so we can see
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And if the cabinet can come up with some kind of arrangement,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I'll give her and the Cabinet three cheers.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Does my noble friend recall some time ago an interview given
9:57:59 > 9:57:58"If the British cannot support the trend towards more
9:57:59 > 9:57:58"integration in Europe, we can nonetheless remain friends
9:57:59 > 9:57:58"I could imagine a form such as the European Economic Area
9:57:59 > 9:57:58"or a free trade agreement with the UK."
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Doesn't that show that there is actually an alternative
9:57:59 > 9:57:58available, or was Delours just completely wrong?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And there was a broader attack from the Leave side.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58My Lords, can the noble lady tell us how this pathetic deal is in anyway
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the fundamental reform of the EU itself we were promised?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58For instance, can she tell us how it reduces the hugely
9:57:59 > 9:57:58undemocratic powers of the Luxembourg Court
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And when the Prime Minister tries to frighten us by talking
9:57:59 > 9:57:58about leaving Europe being a leap in the dark,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58which will, for instance, lose us our present access
9:57:59 > 9:57:58to the single market, does the noble lady accept
9:57:59 > 9:57:58that they sell us much more than we sell them?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58That we do have 3 million jobs exporting to them,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58but they have 4.5 million jobs exporting to us?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58That we are their largest client, that they need our free trade very
9:57:59 > 9:57:58So can she tell us why it won't continue?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Because they will come running after us to have it.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58We have twice saved their bacon in the last hundred years,
9:57:59 > 9:57:58and there is no doubt at the moment there are huge threats.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And if we left, if we let the EU, I think there would be acertain
9:57:59 > 9:57:58flakiness with the EU, and does she agree that this
9:57:59 > 9:57:58would be a very bad moment for that to happen?
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Europe needs us, and if Europe becomes flakey, the risks of people
9:57:59 > 9:57:58like Putin, from the southern flank, are really huge, and we need to bare
9:57:59 > 9:57:58I think that's why the Prime Minister has said that perhaps
9:57:59 > 9:57:58the only person who would cheer outside
9:57:59 > 9:57:58if we were to vote to leave would be Putin.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Clearly we do not want to do anything that will brighten his day.
9:57:59 > 9:57:58And that discussion about how to spoil Mr Putin's day brings us
9:57:59 > 9:57:58Alicia McCarthy will here to brighten your day for the rest
9:57:59 > 9:57:59of the week but from me, Kristiina Cooper, goodbye.