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:00:16. > :00:17.Hello and welcome to Monday in Parliament, our look

:00:18. > :00:23.The headlines: The Speaker of the House of Commons has told MPs

:00:24. > :00:30.he doesn't want President Trump to address the Houses of Parliament.

:00:31. > :00:40.Our opposition to racism and to sexism, and our support for equality

:00:41. > :00:44.before the law, and an independent judiciary, are hugely important

:00:45. > :00:45.considerations in the House of Commons.

:00:46. > :00:46.By comparison, slightly more measured tones

:00:47. > :00:49.from the Prime Minister on the special relationship,

:00:50. > :00:53.as she reports back from an informal EU summit in Malta.

:00:54. > :01:01.We should engage patiently and constructively with America, as a

:01:02. > :01:05.friend and ally. An ally which has helped guarantee the longest period

:01:06. > :01:05.of peace which Europe has ever known.

:01:06. > :01:09.And radically different views as MPs try to get to the bottom

:01:10. > :01:11.of what it's like to work in the "gig" economy.

:01:12. > :01:16.First: The Speaker of the House of Commons has told MPs

:01:17. > :01:18.he is strongly opposed to President Trump

:01:19. > :01:22.on his state visit to the United Kingdom.

:01:23. > :01:24.John Bercow said the migrant travel ban has made

:01:25. > :01:28.He said that an address was not an automatic right,

:01:29. > :01:40.Before the imposition of the migrant ban, I would myself have been

:01:41. > :01:46.strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster Hall.

:01:47. > :01:53.After the imposition of the migrant ban by President Trump, I am even

:01:54. > :02:00.more strongly opposed to an address by President Trump in Westminster

:02:01. > :02:08.Hall. So far as the Royal Gallery is concerned, and again, I operate on

:02:09. > :02:13.advice, I do not perhaps have as strong a say in that matter. It is

:02:14. > :02:18.in a different part of the building, although customarily an invitation

:02:19. > :02:25.to a visiting leader to deliver an address their would be issued in the

:02:26. > :02:31.names of the two speakers. I would not wish to issue an invitation to

:02:32. > :02:37.President Trump to speak in the Royal Gallery. And I conclude by

:02:38. > :02:44.saying to the honourable gentleman this. We value our relationship with

:02:45. > :02:49.the United States. If the state visit takes place that is way beyond

:02:50. > :02:58.and above the pay grade of the speaker. However, as far as this

:02:59. > :03:06.place is concerned, I feel very strongly that our opposition to

:03:07. > :03:12.racism and to sexism, and our support for equality before the law

:03:13. > :03:13.and an independent judiciary are hugely important considerations in

:03:14. > :03:16.the House of Commons. The long-standing Labour MP,

:03:17. > :03:18.Dennis Skinner, stood Clapping is not normally permitted

:03:19. > :03:40.in the chamber. No, we shouldn't have clapping. We

:03:41. > :03:44.shouldn't have clapping in the chamber, but sometimes it is easier

:03:45. > :03:46.just to let it go them to make a huge fuss about it. But there you

:03:47. > :03:46.go. In more moderate tones,

:03:47. > :03:50.earlier Theresa May told MPs the world should engage patiently

:03:51. > :03:52.with the new US administration. While reporting back

:03:53. > :03:56.on an informal EU summit in Malta, the Prime Minister said

:03:57. > :03:59.it was important other Nato members kept to their 2% defence spend,

:04:00. > :04:03.and said again that the rights of EU citizens to stay in the UK had to be

:04:04. > :04:07.part of the Brexit negotiations, because that was what

:04:08. > :04:11.other countries wanted. Labour says the uncertainty on that

:04:12. > :04:16.could be ended much sooner. Theresa May began by paying

:04:17. > :04:18.tribute to the Queen, on the occasion

:04:19. > :04:27.of her Sapphire Jubilee. Mr Speaker, before I turn to the

:04:28. > :04:32.European Council I am sure that the whole house will want to join me in

:04:33. > :04:36.sending our congratulations to Her Majesty the Queen, as she marks her

:04:37. > :04:40.Sapphire Jubilee today. It is testament to Her Majesty's selfless

:04:41. > :04:45.devotion to the nation that she is not marking being the first monarch

:04:46. > :04:48.to serve for 65 years with any celebration, but instead getting on

:04:49. > :04:51.with the job to which she has dedicated her life. Written is

:04:52. > :04:55.leaving the European Union but it is not leaving Europe and the global

:04:56. > :04:59.Britain which stands tall in the world will be a good friend and ally

:05:00. > :05:02.to all of our European partners. So at this summit which showed how

:05:03. > :05:06.Britain will continue to play a leading role in Europe, long after

:05:07. > :05:09.we have left the EU, in particular through our contribution to the

:05:10. > :05:12.challenge of managing mass migration, through our special

:05:13. > :05:15.relationship with America, and through the new and equal

:05:16. > :05:18.partnership that we want to build between the EU and independent,

:05:19. > :05:21.self-governing global Britain. Of course there are some areas where we

:05:22. > :05:24.disagree with the approach of the new Administration, and we should be

:05:25. > :05:27.clear about those disagreements and about the values that underpin our

:05:28. > :05:33.response to the global challenges that we face. But I also argue at

:05:34. > :05:36.this council that we should engage patiently and constructively with

:05:37. > :05:40.America as a friend and ally, and ally that has helped guarantee the

:05:41. > :05:44.longest period of peace that Europe has ever known. For we should be

:05:45. > :05:48.clear, Mr Speaker, that the alternative of division and

:05:49. > :05:50.confrontation would only embolden those who would do us harm, wherever

:05:51. > :05:52.they may be. But the Labour MP

:05:53. > :06:00.Jeremy Corbyn cast doubt So while the Prime Minister is

:06:01. > :06:04.lecturing other countries, can she tell the house of why the government

:06:05. > :06:11.change the accounting rules to include aspects of expenditure that

:06:12. > :06:16.were not previously included? The Defence Select Committee, in 2015,

:06:17. > :06:23.noted the government is only meeting the 2% figure by including other

:06:24. > :06:27.areas, such as pensions, which have not been included before. And goes

:06:28. > :06:33.on to say this redefinition of defence expenditure undermines, to

:06:34. > :06:37.some extent, the credibility of the government's assertion that the 2%

:06:38. > :06:42.figure represents an increase. Labour has been unequivocal that it

:06:43. > :06:50.is within this government's gift to guarantee the rights of EU citizens

:06:51. > :06:54.to remain in this country. There is no need to wait for negotiations to

:06:55. > :07:00.begin. The government could do it now. This is not a question about

:07:01. > :07:05.Brexit. It is a question about human rights, democracy, and decency,

:07:06. > :07:10.towards people who have lived and worked in these countries, and many

:07:11. > :07:16.families here have children born here, and I think we must guarantee

:07:17. > :07:21.their rights. Did the Prime Minister remind European colleagues that in

:07:22. > :07:28.Scotland we voted by 62% to remain within the European Union, and that

:07:29. > :07:32.only one, only one, Member of Parliament representing a Scottish

:07:33. > :07:38.constituency voted for her Brexit legislation? Mr Speaker, we are

:07:39. > :07:42.getting to a stage where warm words from the government are not enough.

:07:43. > :07:45.It is the member state that is supposed to negotiate on all of our

:07:46. > :07:50.behalf is within the European Union. Scotland didn't warrant a single

:07:51. > :07:54.mention in the prime Minister's statement. She now has the

:07:55. > :07:58.opportunity to tell us what Scottish priorities did she raised at the

:07:59. > :07:59.European Summit? Did she raised any at all?

:08:00. > :08:01.The Prime Minister replied that she was putting forward

:08:02. > :08:08.The issue of EU nationals living in the United Kingdom was returned

:08:09. > :08:10.to, as members of Parliament continued their scrutiny

:08:11. > :08:13.of legislation which will lead to a triggering of Article 50

:08:14. > :08:17.The Government says the fate of European Union citizens living

:08:18. > :08:21.in the UK must be decided along with that of UK citizens living

:08:22. > :08:24.But one senior Labour MP said the Prime Minister

:08:25. > :08:36.On the one hand, she says no one who is lawfully here has anything to

:08:37. > :08:40.worry about. On the other hand, she says that she can't commit to giving

:08:41. > :08:45.them residency rights, because their future must depart of the

:08:46. > :08:50.negotiations. I just cannot feel it is anyway right to use the lives of

:08:51. > :08:55.3 million people and their families as a bargaining chip. They and their

:08:56. > :09:03.families are not pawns in a game of poker with the EU. They cannot be

:09:04. > :09:08.used as a human shield, as we battle it out in Europe for our UK citizens

:09:09. > :09:13.in other countries abroad. That may well put at rest the concerns of EU

:09:14. > :09:17.nationals in Britain but it seems to me it was simply throwing overboard

:09:18. > :09:21.the interests and concerns of UK citizens living elsewhere in the

:09:22. > :09:25.European Union. We would not have secured their interest is, and would

:09:26. > :09:32.have thrown away our ability to do so. I thank the honourable gentleman

:09:33. > :09:35.for giving way, and 15% of the stuff, 5% of students and 10% of

:09:36. > :09:39.research students in Cardiff University in my constituency from

:09:40. > :09:43.the EU. Does he agree with me that there is a significant risk that the

:09:44. > :09:47.EU staff and their spouses will seek employment elsewhere, outside the

:09:48. > :09:53.UK, if they don't have certainty now from the government, and we lose all

:09:54. > :09:56.our intellectual capital? I agree with the honourable lady, which is

:09:57. > :10:00.why I'm very pleased that the prime Minister, in a statement that she

:10:01. > :10:03.made today and on a number of other occasions, has made it clear that

:10:04. > :10:08.she wants to reach an early agreement, and has been seeking to

:10:09. > :10:12.do so with our European partners. I am a member of the exiting the EU

:10:13. > :10:15.Select Committee and we heard evidence from a number of British

:10:16. > :10:19.nationals living in Spain, Germany, Italy and France a few weeks ago,

:10:20. > :10:21.and they were members of representative organisations of

:10:22. > :10:25.other British nationals. Every single one of them said that they

:10:26. > :10:30.felt if the UK government made a unilateral guarantee of the right of

:10:31. > :10:31.EU nationals living here, and the other member states would

:10:32. > :10:31.reciprocate. The Liberal Democrat Alistair

:10:32. > :10:33.Carmichael said that certainty on where people could live

:10:34. > :10:45.was very important. The challenge that faces upcountry

:10:46. > :10:50.at this point -- our country at this point is how we go forward in a way

:10:51. > :10:55.that allows us to bring the 52% in the 48% back together. This is an

:10:56. > :11:01.enormous challenge for our country. It is one that we cannot meet simply

:11:02. > :11:05.with the support of half of our population. It is something for

:11:06. > :11:10.which we need all of our people to be able to pull together. This would

:11:11. > :11:15.be one small measure that would allow the government to bring the

:11:16. > :11:18.two sides together, to get the best possible deal for all our citizens,

:11:19. > :11:25.whether they are British by birth or British by choice. It is as

:11:26. > :11:30.important to us as British parliamentarians, as the British

:11:31. > :11:33.government, to defend the rights of British citizens living overseas,

:11:34. > :11:36.and there are a lot of them and not all of them are contributing

:11:37. > :11:40.particularly to their society and a lot of them are retired, so they are

:11:41. > :11:46.even more vulnerable, in a sense, and many of those EU workers who are

:11:47. > :11:49.here, actively working. It is the first duty of this house to look

:11:50. > :11:54.after Rajesh citizens wherever they may be. But also, being aware that

:11:55. > :11:59.we have a duty to EU nationals at the same time. So I think, again, it

:12:00. > :12:03.would be completely wrong in terms of negotiating, in terms of our

:12:04. > :12:08.negotiating position, to declare your unilaterally, that all EU

:12:09. > :12:10.nationals up to a certain date can continue to live here without any

:12:11. > :12:10.fear or favour. Sir Hugo Swire, defending

:12:11. > :12:12.the Prime Minister's arguments You're listening to

:12:13. > :12:15.Monday in Parliament. Coming up: A change in headgear sets

:12:16. > :12:23.the Commons aflutter. But first: Rarely on the Committee

:12:24. > :12:26.corridor do you hear quite such contrasting opinions as those

:12:27. > :12:29.presented to the Work and Pensions The subject was the "gig" economy,

:12:30. > :12:37.where workers get paid for each job they do, rather than being fully

:12:38. > :12:40.employed or on a contract. One set of witnesses was full

:12:41. > :13:02.of praise for cab and courier firms. working as a career? I was a

:13:03. > :13:08.full-time tennis coach and I was finding it tough. I wanted another

:13:09. > :13:16.job to mix in with my coaching. The courier job just fit that bill. It

:13:17. > :13:22.fits in with my coaching so I can deliver, do tennis coaching and that

:13:23. > :13:26.was white. Dip in and out. I can go out delivering for a couple of

:13:27. > :13:32.hours, do a tennis lesson, go out and deliver, do another tennis

:13:33. > :13:37.lesson. It suits my lifestyle. It is a matter of attitude. Any other

:13:38. > :13:42.minicab company, then the view that they have one customer. The great

:13:43. > :13:49.thing about Uber, it sees it as to customers. Other companies don't,

:13:50. > :13:53.but Uber sees the driver as a customer and doing things like

:13:54. > :13:59.making life easier for us. Over four years, I've been able to have that

:14:00. > :14:08.view, they have a driving an easier experience. I always know what

:14:09. > :14:13.rounds I have. I go to the depot. I know what minimum pass as I will

:14:14. > :14:20.have. I always do well at the minimum. I do well above minimum

:14:21. > :14:26.wage. I get the hours to do when there is work out there. You are

:14:27. > :14:31.here to speak to yourselves and talk about your own stories. We are very

:14:32. > :14:35.grateful. Do you consider yourselves to be typical of the group of people

:14:36. > :14:41.that you work with in each of the areas you to work? It's difficult to

:14:42. > :14:47.say. My contact with other Uber drivers has been limited. Two of

:14:48. > :14:52.them are at Uber Christmas parties, which are very nice. All the other

:14:53. > :14:57.drivers seem happy. I occasionally use Uber as a passenger and a chat

:14:58. > :15:01.with the driver and say I am a driver. Never hurt anybody who had

:15:02. > :15:07.anything bad to say. My brother was a Uber driver in Manchester. He is

:15:08. > :15:14.happy. Contrast that with the next witnesses. It's now very expensive

:15:15. > :15:19.to me personally to work. The number of drivers now is restricting what

:15:20. > :15:25.you can earn. A year ago, there was a lot less drivers and a lot more

:15:26. > :15:29.work. Now it is a case of it is much slower. There are more drivers out

:15:30. > :15:34.there. You've got to work longer hours to earn what you weren't

:15:35. > :15:38.before. Don't get me wrong, either gets a great platform, a super

:15:39. > :15:41.platform for the public, there is no doubt about that. But for the

:15:42. > :15:45.drivers, it is the cheapest form of transport for the public so out

:15:46. > :15:53.there is the cheapest. And it's the most bookings service for any driver

:15:54. > :15:57.to use. It then becomes expensive rice and cheaper the public and

:15:58. > :16:02.those things do not match. One of the biggest expenses is your car? He

:16:03. > :16:13.actually had to buy it to get the job. And Uber don't take old cars. I

:16:14. > :16:22.was on the exact form, you need to have a certain car. You need to have

:16:23. > :16:27.a $40,000 car. I find myself is running around with an E class doing

:16:28. > :16:33.jobs that to pounds 25 and that is a nerd. Black charges ?2 for the first

:16:34. > :16:40.and they can make money. We've got all these things to do. You sit down

:16:41. > :16:44.and you talk to Uber and I have tried. I said I would like you to

:16:45. > :16:48.negotiate with me on the feed that you charge and the fees that are

:16:49. > :16:53.charged to the public. We want to charge more. They refused to do it.

:16:54. > :17:03.In July last year, my car was off the road, the morning I was supposed

:17:04. > :17:10.to go back to work, they said I haven't got any rounds any more.

:17:11. > :17:14.Basically, yes. They just sent me a text and said we have taken the

:17:15. > :17:18.rounds off you. You should have gone on holiday and that is that. Now to

:17:19. > :17:22.the Lords when peers from all sides raise concerns about the pressure

:17:23. > :17:28.facing adult social care in England. It is evident that the care homes

:17:29. > :17:32.are facing an existential problem. The costs of increased by 30% over

:17:33. > :17:37.the last year with the introduction of a national living wage and net

:17:38. > :17:41.profits reduced. 1500 homes have closed over the last six years and

:17:42. > :17:46.there is a major problem going on. It's good -- not good enough to

:17:47. > :17:50.exhort that councils pick up the gap when our funding has been curtailed

:17:51. > :17:57.and it's not helping care homes. When will the government get a grip

:17:58. > :18:00.of this serious crisis? I'm pleased this is a government that has

:18:01. > :18:05.introduced the national living wage which is supported across this house

:18:06. > :18:09.and the other place. There is an impact on social care home providers

:18:10. > :18:18.lots of the staff in which to operate and are paid at that level.

:18:19. > :18:22.There is pressure in the social sector and that is one of the

:18:23. > :18:25.reasons the precept is rising and the better care fund has been

:18:26. > :18:28.created to support more care provisions in the appropriate

:18:29. > :18:33.setting that people want to have it in. A BBC survey has found a number

:18:34. > :18:38.of patients on hospital wards in England has been at unsafe levels in

:18:39. > :18:42.nine out of ten NHS trusts this winter. Bosses have said that

:18:43. > :18:47.hospitals have major problems discharging frail patients. The

:18:48. > :18:51.Independent or crossbench peer Lady Green Cross said the government

:18:52. > :18:57.should follow the lead of other countries and provide rehabilitation

:18:58. > :19:04.centres. The Minister conceded that in many countries, people who are in

:19:05. > :19:07.acute hospitals don't need to be there if there was somewhere they

:19:08. > :19:15.could go very quickly after being admitted to hospital to

:19:16. > :19:21.rehabilitation centres? In many countries, small rehab centres which

:19:22. > :19:25.could be a lot of our smaller hospitals, are being closed down,

:19:26. > :19:29.nurse - glad, I where people go immediately part of the acute

:19:30. > :19:35.hospital sector and that if we did that, we could sell some of the

:19:36. > :19:39.problems and we would have the right sort of care for a lot of field

:19:40. > :19:44.people who at the moment are accused of blocking hospitals which they do

:19:45. > :19:50.but it's not their fault. I think the noble lady raises an incredibly

:19:51. > :19:53.important point. It's often the case that patients and up in hospitals

:19:54. > :19:58.for a variety of reasons which is not always the best setting for

:19:59. > :20:01.them. The kind of care she is describing as important. It might be

:20:02. > :20:04.rehab centres or cottage hospitals and what we are seeing food the

:20:05. > :20:09.sustainability and transformation plans are ideas for immediate care

:20:10. > :20:14.or stepdown care which provide the sort of thing she is talking about.

:20:15. > :20:18.Will she ensure -- will he ensure the number of care home places

:20:19. > :20:22.remains at a level to enable those to be discharged from hospital when

:20:23. > :20:28.they are deemed safe to do so and if there is cut the shortage of care

:20:29. > :20:30.home beds in counties such as North Yorkshire, will his department work

:20:31. > :20:34.closely with the local authorities up and down the country to ensure

:20:35. > :20:40.that people can leave hospital and go to a care home where that is

:20:41. > :20:44.appropriate? I think my noble friend from making an important point. The

:20:45. > :20:48.capacity in the care home sector is important in making sure there was a

:20:49. > :20:53.proper flow of patients out of hospitals and into a more

:20:54. > :20:59.appropriate setting. Where there is a shortage of residential or nursing

:21:00. > :21:04.home care beds, the onus of care falls on the families and would he

:21:05. > :21:09.take this opportunity to update his honourable friend in the other

:21:10. > :21:13.place, the Minister of health, who last week exhorted the nation to

:21:14. > :21:18.care for its elderly relatives. Apparently forgetting that there are

:21:19. > :21:25.6.5 million people who already do so, at great personal cost to

:21:26. > :21:29.themselves? The noble lady is quite right to highlight the work that

:21:30. > :21:33.carers do. There is a national carers strategy to support those

:21:34. > :21:37.people who are supporting the family often in very difficult

:21:38. > :21:42.circumstances. The point that my honourable friend in the other place

:21:43. > :21:46.was trying to make was that there is an important role to families to do

:21:47. > :21:50.so in the way parents would do for children, that children should do to

:21:51. > :22:00.their parents can return. The Health Minister. Before John Bercow's

:22:01. > :22:06.statement on Donald Trump, he said hearts racing on the benches. The

:22:07. > :22:10.commission endorsed a proposition reflecting the overwhelming view of

:22:11. > :22:16.his college that clerks should no longer wear wigs at the table in the

:22:17. > :22:23.chamber. They will also cease to wear court dress but they will

:22:24. > :22:27.continue to wear gallons so as to be distinguishable as experts in

:22:28. > :22:33.Parliamentary procedure, not lawyers and certainly not members. Details

:22:34. > :22:37.are in a letter from the clerk of the house to the chair of the

:22:38. > :22:41.procedure committee, available on the committee's website and in the

:22:42. > :22:44.vote office. Colleagues will be pleased to learn that this change

:22:45. > :22:49.will, in the longer term, save money, and it will I believe be

:22:50. > :22:53.welcomed by those clerks who serve all look forward to serving at the

:22:54. > :23:01.table and it will moreover in my view, which I recognise may not be

:23:02. > :23:05.universally shared, conveyed to the public a marginally less stuffy and

:23:06. > :23:11.forbidding image of this chamber at work. The new regime, colleagues,

:23:12. > :23:19.will start soon after we return from the short February recess. Order.

:23:20. > :23:24.With that, on to education but questions on that announcement won't

:23:25. > :23:28.exhausted and return to after the Prime Minister's statement. With

:23:29. > :23:32.great respect to your statement at the beginning of proceedings on

:23:33. > :23:35.behalf of the commission that the dress and composition of the clerks

:23:36. > :23:40.sitting in this house should change forthwith after the recess, can I

:23:41. > :23:45.urge you to reconsider this and consider whether the whole house or

:23:46. > :23:51.to have an opportunity to address this matter before its inactive.

:23:52. > :23:59.What I would say to the honourable gentleman is this. If he believes

:24:00. > :24:03.that the time of the house either in the chamber or in Westminster Hall,

:24:04. > :24:13.would be well spent by discussing this matter, he knows the avenues

:24:14. > :24:19.that are open to him. Sir Gerald. Further to that point of order,

:24:20. > :24:25.eyeing gree --I agree with Mike honourable friend and I was taken by

:24:26. > :24:32.surprise which had the appearance of a misunderstanding but it had the

:24:33. > :24:38.appearance of an executive order. I was slightly surprised by that. I

:24:39. > :24:42.had discussed the matter with the clerk who had done me the enormous

:24:43. > :24:48.courtesy of asking my view and I had declared informally but I thought it

:24:49. > :24:53.was sensible to continue because this, Mr Speaker, is the High Court

:24:54. > :24:59.of Parliament. And I do think that the clerks dressed as they are add

:25:00. > :25:05.to the dignity of the house. Some of us are not always capable of

:25:06. > :25:12.enhancing that. But the clerks do. It wasn't an executive order. It was

:25:13. > :25:17.a request from the clerks themselves to which I, and the members of the

:25:18. > :25:21.House of Commons commission, agreed. Now, people are entitled to their

:25:22. > :25:25.views about it but the idea this was something that I dreamt up and

:25:26. > :25:34.sought to impose against the will of the clerks is 100% wrong. The

:25:35. > :25:37.Speaker, John Bercow. That is all on me. Keith McDougall is yet to the

:25:38. > :25:49.rest of the week. But from me, goodbye.

:25:50. > :25:53.Monday turned out to be quite a day of weather across some parts

:25:54. > :25:57.of the British Isles with a combination of wind and rain

:25:58. > :25:59.and hill snow through the northern parts as well.

:26:00. > :26:01.Tuesday, a chilly start wherever you may be.

:26:02. > :26:06.There will still will be some of that Monday rain lingering,