0:00:00 > 0:00:10I agree with that too. But you must not tell lies about what is
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0:00:12 > 0:00:17possible. Hello and welcome to a special
0:00:17 > 0:00:22edition of Newsnight Scotland. The race to succeed Annabel Goldie as
0:00:22 > 0:00:28leader of the Scottish Conservatives. The four contenders
0:00:28 > 0:00:34are here. Their first live television debate of the campaign.
0:00:34 > 0:00:39Whoever takes over will have their work cut out. The party has only
0:00:39 > 0:00:45one Scottish MP and lost ground in the Holyrood elections. Who has
0:00:45 > 0:00:51what it takes to turn the party around? Or is a breakaway from the
0:00:51 > 0:00:56UK Conservatives necessary to win over the Scottish public? The
0:00:56 > 0:01:02party's 8,500 Scottish members have just 10 days to cast their votes.
0:01:02 > 0:01:12The new leader will be named on November for. The candidates are:
0:01:12 > 0:01:24
0:01:24 > 0:01:29Jackson Carlaw. Ruth Davidson. The questions will come from myself
0:01:29 > 0:01:33and our politically interested audience. They include a range of
0:01:33 > 0:01:38voices from across the political spectrum in Scotland. Both within
0:01:38 > 0:01:48and out with the Scottish Conservative Party. Our first
0:01:48 > 0:01:49
0:01:49 > 0:01:59question comes from corner. Is changing the party's name a
0:01:59 > 0:01:59
0:01:59 > 0:02:08suicide note? Per I do not think it is a suicide note but I think it is
0:02:08 > 0:02:12the wrong answer. It makes us look as if we are
0:02:12 > 0:02:20ashamed to be Conservatives. I am proud to be a Conservative and
0:02:20 > 0:02:24Unionist. I want to take the party that I am an and revitalise that
0:02:24 > 0:02:31party and give us success going forward as the Scottish
0:02:31 > 0:02:37Conservative and Unionist Party. I am not simply proposing a change
0:02:37 > 0:02:40of name. People would see through that. It is more fundamental. About
0:02:41 > 0:02:45creating a new centre-right party in Scotland which will be an
0:02:45 > 0:02:49alliance with the London party but able to develop distinct policies.
0:02:49 > 0:02:53Hundreds of thousands of Scottish people have centre right political
0:02:53 > 0:02:58values but will not vote for a party that carries the Conservative
0:02:58 > 0:03:04label. We must bring them in. We have tried campaigning, different
0:03:04 > 0:03:09leaders, had a very popular leader in Annabel Goldie who I am sorry to
0:03:09 > 0:03:19see the tyre, but it is clear that a new leader is not the answer. We
0:03:19 > 0:03:22
0:03:22 > 0:03:28have tried that before. -- I am sorry to see Annabel Goldie retire.
0:03:28 > 0:03:33It is easy to emphasise with more's honest assessment. -- empathise.
0:03:33 > 0:03:41But I think of it did not work it would do irreparable damage to the
0:03:41 > 0:03:51party and it is far too big a gamble.
0:03:51 > 0:03:57
0:03:57 > 0:04:01Crew is in favour of the idea? Alistair Sinclair?
0:04:01 > 0:04:09We cannot do the same thing over and over again and expect a
0:04:09 > 0:04:15different result. Surely the only way as Marco's way. -- the only way
0:04:15 > 0:04:25is Murdo Fraser's way. The Conservative a brand is dead. Or it
0:04:25 > 0:04:26
0:04:27 > 0:04:31is dying. It has to be revived. When we where the Unionists in the
0:04:31 > 0:04:351950s we were known as the Tories because we took the Conservative
0:04:36 > 0:04:42whip at Westminster. So it does not matter what we call ourselves. You
0:04:42 > 0:04:52cannot change the flavour of a whisky without -- just by changing
0:04:52 > 0:04:52
0:04:52 > 0:04:56the message on the bottle. That is a misnomer. We're not
0:04:57 > 0:05:01suggesting that we do the same thing again. We are suggesting that
0:05:01 > 0:05:06as a party we changed. A change in the way we relate to people who
0:05:06 > 0:05:12have stopped listening to us. I relate it very much to what the
0:05:12 > 0:05:15Welsh Conservatives dead after being wiped out in 1997. They
0:05:15 > 0:05:19looked at the same questions and Murdo Fraser has looked at and
0:05:19 > 0:05:24suggested changing their name to a Welsh language version. But they
0:05:24 > 0:05:34decided, no, we should return to first principles. We should engage
0:05:34 > 0:05:44people and do a listening exercise. We do not know what policies you
0:05:44 > 0:05:44
0:05:44 > 0:05:51would change! Yes you do. I would increase and
0:05:51 > 0:05:56make more flexible childcare in Scotland. At the moment some, I'm
0:05:56 > 0:06:06sure you will understand as a young father yourself, some people pay up
0:06:06 > 0:06:14
0:06:14 > 0:06:18to �800 per month in child care bills. A second mortgage.
0:06:18 > 0:06:23All the other candidates are talking about top down policies.
0:06:23 > 0:06:30But we must relate to people. I am proud to be a Scottish Conservative
0:06:30 > 0:06:34and Unionist. The last election, the policies were not right. They
0:06:34 > 0:06:39were predicated on the assumption that we would be holding the
0:06:39 > 0:06:49balance of power in the Scottish Parliament. Absolute nonsense. Not
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0:06:51 > 0:07:01helpful in the first instance. Did you not have influence in the
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0:07:05 > 0:07:09last Parliament? As a backbencher I would say no.
0:07:09 > 0:07:13Before we are going into the Scottish local government elections,
0:07:13 > 0:07:17in six months' time, to be using the kind of language that Murdo
0:07:17 > 0:07:23Fraser has used it is not helpful. To the point of almost have been
0:07:23 > 0:07:27madness. I understand that we are down to our core vote. The bare
0:07:27 > 0:07:37bones. Nobody disputes that. We have to move on and connect with
0:07:37 > 0:07:41people. Local government elections will be hour opportunity to do that.
0:07:41 > 0:07:50What makes you think that repackaging with similar policies
0:07:50 > 0:07:55will have an Botha's flocking to your cause?
0:07:55 > 0:08:02We thought over core of what was 16% and it fell to 12% this year.
0:08:02 > 0:08:06So that core vote, Margaret, is getting worse and worse. But we
0:08:06 > 0:08:11have opinion polling which suggest it will improve if we go down the
0:08:11 > 0:08:17road I propose. In particular with younger voters. The hardest voters
0:08:17 > 0:08:27to reach. Yet they are the most enthusiastic about the new start I
0:08:27 > 0:08:30
0:08:30 > 0:08:40am proposing. We have tried a restructuring.
0:08:40 > 0:08:41
0:08:41 > 0:08:47Jackson Carlaw. We have not tried -- we have tried
0:08:47 > 0:08:53that. Breakaway parties have not had any success whatsoever. When I
0:08:53 > 0:08:57was growing up, when we lost in the cities, people thought we had lost
0:08:57 > 0:09:03interest in them. We must have policies which responded beyond the
0:09:03 > 0:09:13core quote of people voting for us today. The perception that we only
0:09:13 > 0:09:13
0:09:13 > 0:09:18I would like to bring in some voices from the audience. I would
0:09:18 > 0:09:25like to hear your thoughts on why people do not vote Tory. Gentlemen
0:09:25 > 0:09:28at the back. The Scottish people seem to vote predominantly for
0:09:28 > 0:09:37centre-left policy. If you are talking about changing policy, why
0:09:37 > 0:09:43not move to the left? They are not left wing enough? Definitely.
0:09:43 > 0:09:49Gentlemen at the front. I am up the same vintage as Teddy
0:09:49 > 0:09:54Taylor. The young people are less interested in the name of the party,
0:09:54 > 0:09:58they are more interested in how they will get employment and hope
0:09:58 > 0:10:03for the future. That gentleman there.
0:10:03 > 0:10:11I think the three contestants apart from Murdo Fraser are fooling
0:10:11 > 0:10:17themselves. Fiscal policy and control will happen in Scotland.
0:10:17 > 0:10:23The Tory party at the moment is a Westminster based party. The
0:10:23 > 0:10:30Scottish people were in an awful mess. I would be behind Murdo
0:10:30 > 0:10:36Fraser on this one. Whether you are in favour of the UK, independence
0:10:36 > 0:10:44or some sort of devolution in between, it has been said the
0:10:44 > 0:10:49Scottish party is not Scottish enough, it is a UK party? I am
0:10:49 > 0:10:53Scottish to my bones and I will cry in the terracing of either
0:10:53 > 0:11:00Murrayfield or harm done. I want to talk of Scottish policies, I want
0:11:00 > 0:11:04to make sure we make the devolution settlement workforce Scotland. We
0:11:04 > 0:11:10recognise we are a Scottish party and one of the things this
0:11:10 > 0:11:17election... You mean you don't so far? This is not about electing a
0:11:18 > 0:11:23leader for the MSP group in Holyrood, it is electing a leader
0:11:23 > 0:11:28for the whole party in Scotland. Margaret Mitchell, do you apologise
0:11:28 > 0:11:35for the legacy of Margaret Thatcher too much? No, we have to be robust
0:11:35 > 0:11:38but do not dwell on it, it was 18 years ago. We have to start
0:11:38 > 0:11:42Connecting with people and dealing with the issues that matter and
0:11:42 > 0:11:47resonate with them. The so called to be issues that make sense to
0:11:47 > 0:11:52address. Health issues, people who have children with special needs.
0:11:52 > 0:11:57There is a raft of people out there desperately looking for politicians
0:11:57 > 0:12:02to represent their views. That's where I see the Scottish
0:12:02 > 0:12:07Conservatives moving forward. Be under no illusion, we are in a
0:12:07 > 0:12:13difficult political situation with the advent of a majority SNP
0:12:13 > 0:12:18Government, people can no longer have the luxury of voting SNP as
0:12:18 > 0:12:23either a protest vote or as a tactical vote. Let's take another
0:12:23 > 0:12:33question to get through as much as we can in the time we have got.
0:12:33 > 0:12:38
0:12:38 > 0:12:46Victor Clements, on the front row. I want to pick up on Margaret's....
0:12:46 > 0:12:51Are you Victor Clements? Now I am not. What second question if any
0:12:51 > 0:12:56would you like to see in the independence referendum? I think it
0:12:56 > 0:13:01should be a clear question, do we wish to renew the 300 year-old
0:13:01 > 0:13:05partnership with the United Kingdom, or do we wish to separate? Alex
0:13:05 > 0:13:09Salmond has made great play in the Scottish Parliament by saying he
0:13:09 > 0:13:15would halt this referendum in the second half of this Parliament and
0:13:15 > 0:13:20stick to his manifesto commitment. His manifesto was have a referendum
0:13:20 > 0:13:23on independence and not on other questions. I think this is an
0:13:23 > 0:13:28opportunity for Scotland and I think we should have held this
0:13:28 > 0:13:34referendum years ago and I argued for that within the party. The
0:13:34 > 0:13:38argument he has put 300 years ago when we sold our soul, is one that
0:13:38 > 0:13:44resonates. I want this generation of Scotland to make this decision
0:13:44 > 0:13:48for themselves. It would make us better if we can fight as Unionists
0:13:48 > 0:13:52and win the referendum. If Alex Salmond cannot name the day sooner
0:13:52 > 0:13:58than later, Westminster should be prepared with the Scotland Bill to
0:13:58 > 0:14:03table the question for him. Victor was my Lib Dem opponent at the
0:14:03 > 0:14:08elections. Maybe you are thinking of joining us? That is why you are
0:14:08 > 0:14:13joining us tonight? Don't shake your head so rapidly. I agree with
0:14:13 > 0:14:16Jackson, it should be a straight yes or No to independence. Do we
0:14:17 > 0:14:23want to remain part of the United Kingdom with the benefits it
0:14:23 > 0:14:28brings? Or, do we want to become a separate country?
0:14:28 > 0:14:34If there is to be a two question referendum, might you want to back
0:14:34 > 0:14:40a second option, are more Scottish Parliament within the UK? That is a
0:14:40 > 0:14:44cop out. We would have to see what the second question was. Simply by
0:14:44 > 0:14:48proposing that, what Alex Salmond is saying is he cannot win a
0:14:48 > 0:14:52straight yes or No Vote on independence. He is already
0:14:52 > 0:14:56conceding he will get a No Vote to independence. As someone who
0:14:56 > 0:15:01supports the UK, I welcome that admission to Alex Salmond. Let's
0:15:01 > 0:15:06take him on on that vital issue, yes or No to independence?
0:15:06 > 0:15:09Some people in your party thing you have gone native at Holyrood. Not
0:15:10 > 0:15:16only do you think of independence for the Scottish party but some
0:15:16 > 0:15:20sort of independence for the country, is that wrong? The reason
0:15:20 > 0:15:25I want to create a centre-right party in Scotland is so we can make
0:15:25 > 0:15:28the Unionist case and take on Alex Salmond. But don't you believe him
0:15:28 > 0:15:33more power for the Scottish Parliament? I have always believed
0:15:33 > 0:15:39in that. Because we were anti- devolution, as we were throughout
0:15:39 > 0:15:42the 80s and 90s, a very good reasons at the time, and it allowed
0:15:43 > 0:15:49our political parties to betray us as anti-Scottish. We need to be
0:15:49 > 0:15:54positive about devolution. That is conceding to the SNP shopping-list
0:15:54 > 0:15:59for the last 10 years. It has not men's policies that are right for
0:15:59 > 0:16:04Scotland, but embracing policies the SNP want because we are too
0:16:04 > 0:16:07frightened to say no to them. Scotland Bill going through
0:16:07 > 0:16:13Westminster which creates a degree of financial stability for the
0:16:13 > 0:16:17Scottish Parliament is a very good move. It is positive. Many let's
0:16:17 > 0:16:22hear what Margaret thinks. You are not happy with the Scotland Bill?
0:16:22 > 0:16:29We seem to have found ourselves in the position were Alex Salmond is
0:16:29 > 0:16:39waiting for the Unionist parties to put forward but they want for
0:16:39 > 0:16:42
0:16:42 > 0:16:47devolution Max. My amendment was backed for a referendum on the
0:16:47 > 0:16:57Scottish income tax. Do you want them handed back? I want them to
0:16:57 > 0:16:58
0:16:58 > 0:17:04use the powers they have just now, they had never used the 3p variable.
0:17:04 > 0:17:08What about the original question, what would you once had in the
0:17:08 > 0:17:14second question? A don't want a second question, I want a straight
0:17:14 > 0:17:17yes or no. Not talking down Scott Dunn, not saying we are too small
0:17:17 > 0:17:22and too poor to survive alone. But talk about what Scotland
0:17:22 > 0:17:26contributes to the United Kingdom, but also what we get back from it.
0:17:26 > 0:17:31Let's make a positive case, not like some of the arguments in the
0:17:31 > 0:17:351970s, but talk about what we get as being part of the United Kingdom
0:17:35 > 0:17:38with armed forces, we get a permanent seat at the Security
0:17:38 > 0:17:42Council and the United Kingdom. Let's have bought Team GB at the
0:17:42 > 0:17:48Olympics, we are British and Scottish and we can have both. Alex
0:17:48 > 0:17:53Salmond shouldn't take part of that away from us. Are you like Jackson,
0:17:53 > 0:17:59keen on the UK Government forcing Alex Salmond's hand and bringing
0:17:59 > 0:18:04this referendum for what? It needs to be. David Cameron has said he
0:18:04 > 0:18:10won't go down that road and I think that is sensible. Yes or no? It is
0:18:10 > 0:18:14not going to happen. We need to move on to some more quick-fire
0:18:14 > 0:18:17questions and answers if we can. I am keen to get through a few policy
0:18:17 > 0:18:22questions which have been stolen from the pronouncements some of you
0:18:22 > 0:18:27have made during the course of the campaign. I want to see where you
0:18:27 > 0:18:32stand on a single police force for Scotland. Margaret Mitchell? I am
0:18:32 > 0:18:37against it. It was a policy devised because it was to save money. I
0:18:37 > 0:18:42don't think it is accountable enough, I want to see three forces.
0:18:42 > 0:18:47Murdo Fraser? And I am with Margaret. We got the policy wrong
0:18:47 > 0:18:51in the election in May. I think the party made a mistake in the way in
0:18:51 > 0:18:55which it came to the conclusion it was going to back this policy and
0:18:55 > 0:19:00did not talk to the people. Actually having talks with senior
0:19:00 > 0:19:04police officers in Scotland, I think it will improve policing so
0:19:04 > 0:19:09I'd back it. It is the wrong policy and the way we went about it is
0:19:09 > 0:19:14wrong. The police board convenors were told in a conference call this
0:19:14 > 0:19:23was going to be the policy. The wrong way to go about establishing
0:19:23 > 0:19:29policy. That has been the problem, top-down policies from Holyrood.
0:19:29 > 0:19:34moratorium on wind farms, you are keen on that? A wind farm now is a
0:19:34 > 0:19:38single win turbine and they have been approved without regard to the
0:19:38 > 0:19:44patchwork they are representing across the countryside. We need a
0:19:44 > 0:19:46moratorium and an audit. I sit on the local Government and planning
0:19:46 > 0:19:52committee and I have asked to look at the planning rules which
0:19:52 > 0:19:56surround wind farms. There is no cohesive structure. Maybe not a
0:19:56 > 0:19:59moratorium but a new planning regime and a new approach to energy
0:19:59 > 0:20:05policy which is not about building pointless wind turbines which
0:20:05 > 0:20:12contributes nothing to energy needs. A moratorium, absolutely. Time is
0:20:12 > 0:20:14running away with us this evening. Let's go to another question. It
0:20:14 > 0:20:20comes from Sarah Robinson from Edinburgh.
0:20:20 > 0:20:25Do you believe EU membership is on balance, a good thing? Murdo
0:20:25 > 0:20:30Fraser? On balance, yes but I would like to see a repatriation of
0:20:30 > 0:20:35powers back to the UK and start with the UK fisheries policy. It
0:20:35 > 0:20:40has been a disaster for Scottish thing -- fishing industries. I'd
0:20:40 > 0:20:45like to see a looser relationship with Europe. We do have been among
0:20:45 > 0:20:52the rebels at a Westminster tonight, the 80 or so Conservative rebels
0:20:52 > 0:20:57demanding a referendum? Yes I would. It is fair, it is reasonable to
0:20:57 > 0:21:01have a referendum as to whether Great Britain is part of Europe.
0:21:01 > 0:21:06terms of the EU my dad worked in Scottish business, he make textiles
0:21:06 > 0:21:10and then worked in whisky. I know how important Europe is as a
0:21:10 > 0:21:15trading partner and to have free trade across Europe is so important.
0:21:15 > 0:21:19I wouldn't withdraw wholly from Europe. Would I repatriate powers?
0:21:19 > 0:21:25I think there is far too much intrusion on to our sovereignty,
0:21:25 > 0:21:33absolutely. We do have voted for a referendum tonight? Not on that
0:21:33 > 0:21:41terribly worded motion -- motion. Are you a Conservative? I am a
0:21:41 > 0:21:45Labour member. I would like to say, it is a 1976 agreement we have
0:21:45 > 0:21:52agreed to and now this is a 21st century problem. We have agreed
0:21:52 > 0:21:58more and more for this horrendous policy towards Europe, and we are
0:21:58 > 0:22:03losing powers. The you would like a referendum would you? Yes. The lady
0:22:04 > 0:22:09behind you. If David Cameron wouldn't repatriate, I would get
0:22:09 > 0:22:19repatriation of our fishing policy. Is it right English ministers
0:22:19 > 0:22:20
0:22:20 > 0:22:26representing English constituencies have power over the Scottish MP for
0:22:26 > 0:22:33the agricultural policies? If I was the Scottish leader I would be very
0:22:33 > 0:22:37much lobbying David Cameron. Alex Salmond held a national
0:22:37 > 0:22:41conversation on independence, it is time for a national conversation
0:22:41 > 0:22:45amongst the people of the United Kingdom about our membership within
0:22:45 > 0:22:50the European Union. If I am elected leader, at the first conference
0:22:50 > 0:22:56there will be an open debate on what Europe means to us as Scottish
0:22:56 > 0:23:01Conservatives. What is David Cameron worried about? Using a
0:23:01 > 0:23:05three-line whip to trying get people... This was a question which
0:23:05 > 0:23:10would have been well served to allow people to express a view.
0:23:10 > 0:23:15There was a concern at one point jobs depended on Europe and now
0:23:15 > 0:23:19there is a concern jobs might be lost because of Europe. It is time
0:23:19 > 0:23:23there was a frank debate and just as we are having a discussion about
0:23:23 > 0:23:26whether or not we have a referendum on independence for Scotland,
0:23:26 > 0:23:33because we are seeing more powers coming to the Scottish Parliament,
0:23:33 > 0:23:38we have seen a huge trade -- change on the Europe argument. Most people
0:23:38 > 0:23:43would like to see a discussion about the European relationship.
0:23:43 > 0:23:48wonder about the campaign over all? The leadership campaign, as Hick
0:23:49 > 0:23:53been a fair fight? Yes I think it has. I only have issues
0:23:53 > 0:23:59individually about coming in as the last to declare, in fact the only
0:23:59 > 0:24:07one to declare within the timescale. How can you hope to lead the party,
0:24:07 > 0:24:14given at this stage you don't have the backing of a single MSP?
0:24:14 > 0:24:18Everyone who knows this taxing process, you decide your leaders,
0:24:18 > 0:24:22any one that has done that, if they win the vote deserves to lead the
0:24:22 > 0:24:29party, it is as simple as that. I have been fighting a positive
0:24:29 > 0:24:34campaign. Murdo Fraser? Overall it has been Firth. All candidates have
0:24:34 > 0:24:38been able to go out there and speak to members. We have well-attended
0:24:38 > 0:24:43hosting meetings. I have been in the Borders tonight speaking to
0:24:43 > 0:24:47members and I have done 20 stops around the country meeting members.
0:24:47 > 0:24:53What have you been complaining to the party chairman about? They
0:24:53 > 0:24:58don't want to talk about internal party matters. You are not denying
0:24:58 > 0:25:03there has been a complaint? I am not denying a complaint. What is
0:25:03 > 0:25:09your problem? I have been setting out my positive agenda and big idea
0:25:09 > 0:25:15to take the party forward. I want to talk about my positive idea and
0:25:16 > 0:25:22not about internal party matters. It only started when I was written
0:25:22 > 0:25:28up as a front runner. What has been going on? I do not really know, if
0:25:28 > 0:25:33they have been complaints to the party, it is for the party to
0:25:33 > 0:25:38decide. Your campaign manager said there had been a deliberate,
0:25:38 > 0:25:44vicious attempt to discredit you? There has been a number of articles
0:25:44 > 0:25:48in one specific newspaper that seemed to look as if they have been
0:25:48 > 0:25:53on a campaign. Have you been getting special treatment from
0:25:53 > 0:25:56people in the hierarchy of the party? No I haven't. There has been
0:25:56 > 0:26:02some different language use but I think it has been a lack of
0:26:02 > 0:26:09experience for people campaigning in this election. I use saying
0:26:09 > 0:26:13David does not have experience, or does Ruth have experience? This is
0:26:13 > 0:26:18the first time we are electing a leader for the whole of the party,
0:26:18 > 0:26:25and it helps if you have a feel for it. I think Experiences something
0:26:25 > 0:26:32which informs what you do subsequently. How did you manage to
0:26:32 > 0:26:37lose a Tory targeted seats and Holyrood to Labour? We had other
0:26:37 > 0:26:42results similar to that in Scotland. I think it plays to the fact we did
0:26:42 > 0:26:46not have a message that was appealing to people. We don't have
0:26:46 > 0:26:52a organisation on the ground which is capable of winning elections.
0:26:52 > 0:26:59Not your fault? I take my share of the responsibility. Annabel Goldie,
0:26:59 > 0:27:03who was on television leading up to the campaign, her share of the vote
0:27:04 > 0:27:08fell as well. Until we get that message right and says something
0:27:08 > 0:27:13people feel is a meaningful to them, they are back in the language of 30
0:27:13 > 0:27:19years ago and that is what they think we stand for today. When did
0:27:19 > 0:27:22you become a member of the Conservative Party? I put in my
0:27:22 > 0:27:29application to join the Conservative Party the day I put in
0:27:29 > 0:27:38my application for redundancy at this place, the BBC. What do you
0:27:38 > 0:27:43think you have got to lead the party? I have been a broadcast
0:27:43 > 0:27:50journalist for years and I have interviewed criminals and
0:27:50 > 0:27:55politicians and sometimes you cannot tell the difference. They
0:27:55 > 0:28:00have been a lot of people who have been switched off by what we have
0:28:00 > 0:28:09said in the past. We have had excellent leaders in the past, and
0:28:09 > 0:28:17whoever wins this will be less popular in the public to an Annabel
0:28:17 > 0:28:21Goldie. We need to have a rethink and a new start with a new centre-
0:28:21 > 0:28:26right party. The others have just described the cosmetic changes. We
0:28:26 > 0:28:30have to get out and work for the people so they look to our party as
0:28:31 > 0:28:36the party that will solve their problems and respect, trust and be
0:28:36 > 0:28:41motivated to vote for. We will see how you do. 10 days of voting left.
0:28:42 > 0:28:46Some people will already have cast their vote and we find out the
0:28:46 > 0:28:52results on November 4th. Thanks to all on our panel and the audience.
0:28:52 > 0:28:56Sorry we did not have time for more questions. That does bring us to
0:28:56 > 0:29:00the end of this special edition of the programme on the leadership of
0:29:00 > 0:29:07the Scottish party. You can watch the programme again available on
0:29:07 > 0:29:12the BBC iPlayer. There is more news as always on the BBC Scotland