:00:09. > :00:11.are no lending a hand had it seems Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, as
:00:11. > :00:18.the Greens look set to drop their backing for a multi-option
:00:18. > :00:22.referendum, does anyone want to put devo max on the ballot paper? And,
:00:22. > :00:29.mud may be expected at T In The Park, but as several other events
:00:29. > :00:32.are washed out, we'll look at the cost of this interminable rain.
:00:32. > :00:42.Good evening. To have a second question or not have a second
:00:42. > :00:45.question, that is the, er, question. The unionist parties all say they
:00:45. > :00:55.want more powers for the Scottish Parliament, but don't want a
:00:55. > :00:59.referendum question on that. Alex Salmond says he would prefer not to
:00:59. > :01:03.have a second question but is actively consulting on the
:01:03. > :01:09.possibility anyway. And now that Greens, who have supported a multi-
:01:09. > :01:14.option referendum, seem to be changing their tune. All clear?
:01:14. > :01:20.The second question is now the key battleground in the formulation of
:01:20. > :01:24.a referendum. An opinion poll out today suggests the reason why. When
:01:24. > :01:28.asked whether the Scottish government should negotiate a
:01:28. > :01:33.settlement with the government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland
:01:33. > :01:39.becomes an independent state, a 30 % of those asked a agree and 50 %
:01:39. > :01:43.said they disagreed. The rest would do not knows. But when the option
:01:43. > :01:49.of more powers short of independence was introduced, it was
:01:49. > :01:57.the most popular with respondents. 23 % still preferred independence,
:01:57. > :02:04.29 % said they wanted Holyrood's existing powers, but 37 % said more
:02:04. > :02:08.powers over tax and welfare was their first choice. Despite the
:02:08. > :02:13.relative popularity of further devolution, as suggested by this
:02:13. > :02:21.and other polls, none of the main political parties are demanding
:02:21. > :02:25.this option is on the ballot paper. The SNP won an election promising a
:02:25. > :02:30.referendum on independence. They say they can win an all-or-nothing
:02:30. > :02:34.battle, but they also know that losing could be deeply damaging for
:02:34. > :02:38.their party. That is why some nationalists want further
:02:38. > :02:43.devolution as a full-back. Others feared that including it would give
:02:43. > :02:50.voters an excuse not to back independence. Pro-union politicians
:02:50. > :02:55.say the SNP simply does not have a mandate for all multiple option
:02:55. > :03:00.referendum. All the pro-union parties say that they are
:03:00. > :03:03.considering more powers for the Scottish Parliament but do not want
:03:03. > :03:08.a detailed scheme on the ballot paper. They say multiple options
:03:08. > :03:14.could be confusing, that AGS no question is clearer and that the
:03:14. > :03:20.result would be more decisive. Until now, the Greens have favoured
:03:20. > :03:26.a multi- option fake. Now that seems to be in doubt.
:03:26. > :03:31.The Coke convenor of the Scottish Greens, Patrick Harvie, is here to
:03:31. > :03:37.explain all. What is the position ride now, do you win the Scottish
:03:37. > :03:41.Greens want further devolution on but palate? At the moment our
:03:41. > :03:46.policy is for a multi-option referendum. That policy was adopted
:03:46. > :03:50.a good few years ago. If you think back to when the Calman process was
:03:50. > :03:55.getting under way. We were arguing that as cold and lead process was
:03:55. > :03:59.the way to go, not carving it up between political parties, but
:03:59. > :04:03.something akin to the constitutional convention. That did
:04:03. > :04:08.not happen and we are now at the point of having to discuss whether
:04:08. > :04:13.or not a second question can be fairly all legitimately framed
:04:13. > :04:20.without that Scotland prices having taken place. A couple of people
:04:20. > :04:25.have tried to define devo max or devo plus, but I do not think
:04:25. > :04:30.anyone has achieved a degree of clarity that is needed. But we're
:04:30. > :04:34.not having a referendum mental bleak autumn of 2014, so is there
:04:34. > :04:39.not time for a detailed scheme to be worked out? Possibly, and that
:04:39. > :04:43.is one of the things we will be debating. You said earlier that the
:04:43. > :04:47.greens looks set to drop our support, but what we are said to do
:04:47. > :04:51.is to debate it. What is your pinking as one of the leaders of
:04:51. > :04:56.this party? The two factors that we need to debate a weather clarity
:04:56. > :05:01.can be achieved and by the political mandate can be achieved
:05:01. > :05:07.from the second question? Has the window closed on the need to get
:05:07. > :05:13.clarity, people knowing what they are voting on? What is your view on
:05:13. > :05:18.those points? Something which says something else but we do not quite
:05:18. > :05:24.known what, I do nothing that is a fair question. UK legislation would
:05:24. > :05:27.be needed for any further devolution short of independence.
:05:27. > :05:34.But that was the case when you are going for there to be another
:05:34. > :05:39.option, that has not changed. you had a very clearly defined,
:05:39. > :05:43.well understood, not just by politicians but by the general
:05:43. > :05:48.public, at clear understood scheme of what the next stage of
:05:49. > :05:51.devolution should be, then there is a clear case for saying that a
:05:51. > :05:57.referendum result represents a mandate that the UK government
:05:57. > :06:01.would have to respond to. But the referendum result in favour of
:06:01. > :06:06.something fake an undefined, I am not sure UK government would feel
:06:06. > :06:11.it had to be bound by that. This is about people deciding the future of
:06:12. > :06:18.their country. Image is not on the ballot paper, and if those people
:06:18. > :06:21.want more devolution, how do they go about getting it? Well, I'm
:06:21. > :06:27.afraid he earned the honest answer is I would not have started from
:06:27. > :06:30.here. If we had had that process there was there not just by
:06:31. > :06:34.political parties up by civil society in Scotland, defining what
:06:34. > :06:41.the terms of the referendum should be, then we would be able to put
:06:41. > :06:45.questions that people wanted to be asked. The Calman process and the
:06:45. > :06:48.national conversation were carved up by political parties and it is
:06:48. > :06:56.clear we have a situation where one of those parties has come out on
:06:56. > :07:03.top with a mandate for the referendum. Are you not part of the
:07:03. > :07:07.Campaign for a Yes vote? We will be campaigning for a yes vote. The
:07:07. > :07:11.thing that is missing at the moment is a kind of transformational
:07:11. > :07:16.vision the toaster that. The SNP seemed to think that independence
:07:16. > :07:21.as a campaign can be about, do not worry, nothing much is going to
:07:21. > :07:27.change. I think a campaign that his desire not to scare anybody offer
:07:27. > :07:33.also failed to inspire. Is that why you have not got on board with the
:07:33. > :07:38.yes campaign group for independence. When we took it at the last party
:07:38. > :07:43.meeting, because we have this quaint democratic process, there
:07:43. > :07:49.were no terms for a political party to join yes Scotland. Individuals
:07:49. > :07:53.could join up, but there was no shared decision. A shared decision-
:07:53. > :07:59.making process does now seem to be emerging so we will take that a
:07:59. > :08:04.party conference and the members, myself included, will decide our
:08:04. > :08:09.position in relation to the Yes Scotland, in relation to the second
:08:09. > :08:14.question, and other issues. So the SNP cannot take your backing for
:08:14. > :08:22.granted? They can take for granted absolutely that I personally will
:08:22. > :08:26.be voting for eight Yes vote for independence. But actually talking
:08:26. > :08:32.about what independence genuinely means for issues like the economy,
:08:32. > :08:36.the currency, democratic control of big business. The SNP seemed to be
:08:36. > :08:41.saying that none of these questions will change, these will all be
:08:41. > :08:45.things to think about after the referendum. My concern is that the
:08:45. > :08:50.people who were not going to be motivated by one flag or another,
:08:50. > :08:54.or national identity, those people who are as yet and can do is but
:08:54. > :08:59.not hostile, I think they need to be persuaded that this is about to
:08:59. > :09:03.transformational agenda, house, and can be a better society for us all
:09:03. > :09:07.to live in. Hibbert vision does not get articulated before the
:09:07. > :09:12.referendum I do not see why they will turn out and vote Yes in the
:09:12. > :09:17.way that I would like them too. Alex Salmond is not doing the job
:09:17. > :09:21.yet. I think the whole of the Yes campaign needs to articulate a
:09:22. > :09:26.transformational vision. He people want status quo, they will vote for
:09:26. > :09:32.it, let us not try to make independence that.
:09:32. > :09:36.It has been away too few weeks and wiles of us may not find that an
:09:36. > :09:42.expected in July, it is that is more of a worry for the tourist
:09:42. > :09:51.industry. At least two major events were washed out on Saturday and
:09:51. > :10:01.others have suffered during our dreich summer. Our report begins
:10:01. > :10:07.
:10:08. > :10:14.with one weekend event which did It is the one big event when mud
:10:14. > :10:18.he's good. T in the Park may have been wet but it was no washout.
:10:18. > :10:22.Revellers there almost expect to get soaked and muddy. But while the
:10:22. > :10:30.exceptionally wet summer is no bloated T in the Park, what about
:10:30. > :10:37.other outdoor events? A fuel thefts in Edinburgh was cancelled, so, too,
:10:37. > :10:43.was the last Highland Games. -- a food event. And last month the
:10:43. > :10:49.Royal Highland Show was hit by bad weather. Visitor numbers may have
:10:49. > :10:52.been down by 20,000 but at least it went ahead. Overall, the bad
:10:52. > :11:02.weather risks causing further short-term damage to some parts of
:11:02. > :11:06.a fragile economy, including parts of the tourist business. Is it a
:11:06. > :11:11.risk that images of a rain-soaked Scotland discourage visitors from
:11:11. > :11:15.afar, or are they an opportunity to show that there is more to Scotland
:11:15. > :11:19.than the scenery and the great outdoors? Some of the most
:11:19. > :11:29.successful visitor attractions are open rain or shine, like the
:11:29. > :11:33.Riverside Museum in Glasgow. Can I have an ice-cream cone, please?
:11:33. > :11:37.Galleries and museums play an important role in the tourism
:11:37. > :11:45.industry and if anything, they can actually benefit from the rain,
:11:45. > :11:50.even the people selling ice-cream. And of course, it is not just our
:11:50. > :11:55.summer festivals but can fall victim to the weather. Edinburgh's
:11:55. > :11:57.Hogmanay party has been cancelled twice in recent years, but as the
:11:58. > :12:04.tourism industry needs to think more about having an all weather
:12:04. > :12:07.strategy. I am joined by Edinburgh -- from
:12:07. > :12:13.Edinburgh by Professor Joe Goldblatt, director of the Centre
:12:13. > :12:17.for the Study of Planned Events at Edinburgh University, and Professor
:12:17. > :12:23.John Lennon, director of the Moffatt Centre for Tourism at
:12:23. > :12:28.Glasgow Caledonian University. Does the better -- weather it matter?
:12:28. > :12:32.we ask tourists of why they come here, primarily it is our wonderful
:12:32. > :12:37.landscapes, our people, our history and our culture. And they seem to
:12:37. > :12:43.be able to put up with the weather. They do not come expecting the sun.
:12:43. > :12:49.So should we worry about the recent weeks and the amount of rain we
:12:49. > :12:57.have had in that period of time? Absolutely not. Professor Lennon in
:12:57. > :13:01.its actually incorrect. -- is absolutely correct. According to
:13:01. > :13:06.numerous studies, the two key factors that determine attendants
:13:06. > :13:10.are location and the uniqueness and value of the attraction on offer.
:13:10. > :13:15.In that regard, what we offer at blog Court Rules festivals is
:13:16. > :13:22.priceless. But what about the events that are called off or sell
:13:22. > :13:25.far fewer tickets as a result of the weather? In many cases these
:13:25. > :13:31.are long-standing financial problems, not just a catastrophic
:13:32. > :13:36.weather event but for one example, in the United States, an event in
:13:36. > :13:40.Pennsylvania had catastrophic weather last summer but as a result,
:13:40. > :13:46.they created a subscription scheme and people supported the festival
:13:46. > :13:52.to the tune of nearly 10% of the gross turnover, so additional funds
:13:52. > :13:57.game. Behind every rainy drought them might just be a golden rainbow.
:13:57. > :14:03.I wonder, John, even we can use our changeable weather to our advantage.
:14:03. > :14:08.Could we actually turn a bit of summer rain into an attractive
:14:08. > :14:11.prospect? I think the way we have marketed Scotland in the last five
:14:11. > :14:16.to seven years has been quite realistic. We have focused on a
:14:16. > :14:19.rugged, dramatic experience, not a Caribbean sunshine and blue sky
:14:19. > :14:23.destination. And I think that marketing is actually very
:14:23. > :14:26.appropriate for the tide of tourists who come. Whether they are
:14:26. > :14:30.coming from the Mediterranean, traditional long, hot summers or
:14:30. > :14:37.whether from the US or the Middle East or further afield, they are
:14:37. > :14:39.not coming up, or the fine from the research, because of our climate.
:14:39. > :14:44.His that back speakers are those who might come have already pulled
:14:44. > :14:50.us out? -- is that because those who might already come have brought
:14:50. > :14:56.us out? Tourists do know what to expect. They check the weather.
:14:56. > :15:01.They are up to speed. When the talk about festivals and events like T
:15:01. > :15:05.in the Park, the question you have to ask is 85,000 people a day still
:15:05. > :15:12.went to tea in the park. We have had washed down festivals in this
:15:12. > :15:14.country in these UK for a long time, Glastonbury. You cannot guarantee
:15:14. > :15:21.the weather but what you cannot guarantee is that people will
:15:21. > :15:26.continue to buy tickets. Do we need more set-piece events in our
:15:26. > :15:33.calendar, to boost tourism and should we really be thinking about
:15:33. > :15:36.a more indoor based strategy? is key is that we have a balanced
:15:36. > :15:42.portfolio of events throughout the entire year so that we are covering
:15:42. > :15:47.not only the PCS and which we already have saturated -- the peak
:15:47. > :15:52.season, but also the off-peak times. That is when the indoor facilities
:15:52. > :15:58.are increasingly important, but as Professor Lennon suggested, one
:15:58. > :16:01.example of this is T in the Park bursars Glastonbury. In our studies
:16:01. > :16:06.at Queen Margaret University, and we have found that people are
:16:06. > :16:09.subject Glastonbury not because of the talent on offer but because of
:16:09. > :16:18.the total environment will experience, and that experience
:16:18. > :16:22.includes mud and more mud. Whatever floats your boat! We have talked
:16:22. > :16:28.about out of season events, trying to join them up. The Government
:16:28. > :16:35.talks about a winter festival, from the St Andrew's Night celebrations
:16:35. > :16:38.through to Burns Night. Has that caught on as an idea? Yes. There is
:16:39. > :16:43.no doubt that events are big business. They can stretch the
:16:43. > :16:47.season. We have some world-class events, things like the Edinburgh
:16:47. > :16:50.Festival, Hogmanay. There is nothing to touch them. There is
:16:50. > :16:55.nothing but replication throughout the world. People trying to get
:16:55. > :16:58.close to what we do well. We have to understand their you will not
:16:58. > :17:03.always hit are those kind of goals with what you're doing but the
:17:03. > :17:07.events and festivals can help with our regional portfolio but also all
:17:07. > :17:13.year tourism and I think what is really Stott and to work and
:17:13. > :17:18.scholar now is the way we are mixing the sports agenda too many
:17:18. > :17:22.other festivals. -- what is really starting to work. All of that helps
:17:22. > :17:28.build Scotland as a destination people will want to visit, spent
:17:28. > :17:33.time in, do more and come back to. But it is true that politicians
:17:33. > :17:39.have set targets for the growth in tourism revenue, which have been
:17:39. > :17:42.very far-fetched. Is that because of global economic problems or just
:17:42. > :17:47.because the targets were unrealistic in the first Test?
:17:47. > :17:54.is because tourism not only contributes economic growth to a
:17:54. > :17:57.nation but it also lifts the spirit of the entire society. So by having
:17:57. > :18:01.this influx of visitors from international destinations, it
:18:01. > :18:07.promotes Scotland's identity throughout the world and at the
:18:07. > :18:11.same time, as in your last picture regarding independence, it helps us
:18:11. > :18:15.create a culture of greater self- confidence amongst ourselves.
:18:15. > :18:21.in terms of the performance of the sector, the various targets that
:18:21. > :18:26.have been set down the years, is it a sector that is performing well,
:18:26. > :18:32.all still underperforming? I think most recent data suggests our
:18:32. > :18:37.domestic tourism, from the rest of the UK, is quite buoyant. Our
:18:37. > :18:41.international visitation has shown a, if you like, stability. But you
:18:41. > :18:46.have to understand that is set against an economic recession that
:18:46. > :18:52.we have not seen since 1929. It is set against huge uncertainty in
:18:52. > :18:59.international markets, particular problems in EU -- in the US. What
:18:59. > :19:04.we are seeing in this is a shift from international duty domestic
:19:04. > :19:09.and also, in my view, a change in the way people book, the way they
:19:09. > :19:18.find out about what they are going to do. This summer, next summer or
:19:18. > :19:20.next week, in fact, as these time becomes shorter. So our targets are
:19:20. > :19:25.ambitious and Bob growth and a performance today has been very
:19:25. > :19:29.strong in what is one of the most competitive sectors in the world.
:19:29. > :19:32.There is hardly a location in the world that is not trying to be a
:19:32. > :19:37.tourism back at the moment. Scotland is performing well. Both
:19:37. > :19:43.of you, if there is one thing you could change, if you were in charge,
:19:43. > :19:49.what would it be? I think the most important thing would be to involve
:19:49. > :19:52.the average citizen in tourism. In other words, to create a campaign
:19:53. > :19:58.where all of Scotland turns to the rest of the world and says We Wish
:19:58. > :20:03.You were Here. In other words, to promote visitation at the ground
:20:03. > :20:08.level. Drive the experience. It must be a special place that people
:20:08. > :20:14.go, I cannot believe how good that was. At all levels. The even if it
:20:14. > :20:18.was raining? It might rain occasionally. Thank you the very
:20:18. > :20:23.much. Tomorrow's front pages. The Herald goes with another economic
:20:23. > :20:26.impact of bad weather, shopping bills to rise as crops hit by wet
:20:27. > :20:31.weather, in an exclusive it says farmers are bracing themselves for
:20:31. > :20:41.the worst heart is in 30 years. Prepared of the Scotsman, asked for
:20:41. > :20:42.
:20:42. > :20:50.in the dock over bank chiefs like Paul testimony. -- LIBOR testimony.
:20:50. > :20:54.A picture from T in the Park. That is an end to this edition of
:20:54. > :21:04.Newsnight Scotland. You can watch a gain on the iPlayer and there is
:21:04. > :21:08.
:21:08. > :21:12.more on the BBC website. Good There is more rain to come
:21:13. > :21:16.overnight. Outbreaks over many parts of the UK, then heavy rain
:21:16. > :21:20.developing and targeting parts of the Midlands going into the morning,
:21:20. > :21:25.the North and East Midlands in particular, thundery downpours into
:21:25. > :21:30.the afternoon. Some of those pop up in two Yorkshire as well. There is
:21:30. > :21:36.an amber warning from the Met Office to, potential disruption due
:21:36. > :21:39.to heavy downpours. Many grumbles of thunder. Across south-west
:21:39. > :21:45.England and Wales to end the afternoon, although there is a lot
:21:45. > :21:48.of cloud, some hints of brightness and mainly dry. But then maybe
:21:48. > :21:52.outbreaks of light rain affecting north-west England and Northern
:21:52. > :21:58.Ireland. Not a complete washout because it will be dry between the
:21:58. > :22:03.showers. Dry, too, do for the western fringes of Scotland but a
:22:03. > :22:07.lot of rain down the eastern side. That continues into Wednesday. You
:22:07. > :22:11.can see the rainfall, and disappointingly cool for the time
:22:11. > :22:17.of year. There may be some problems as the rainfall totals stop to add
:22:17. > :22:23.up. Cloud belts again for Tuesday and Wednesday, heavy downpours
:22:23. > :22:26.start to break out. You can see the rain falling and the showers that