:00:03. > :00:07.process with any vigour. But some commentators see -- think A-bomb
:00:07. > :00:12.the administration seems much less likely. -- eight admit Romney
:00:13. > :00:15.administration seems much less likely.
:00:15. > :00:20.On Newsnight Scotland, what is going on over the Lockerbie
:00:20. > :00:25.investigation? A court in Malta is examining element in the case on
:00:25. > :00:30.behalf of Scottish authorities. I'll be closer to a new appeal or a
:00:31. > :00:37.public inquiry? Also, what future for the arts, as Creative Scotland
:00:37. > :00:43.changes the funding rules. Ms Ps a hear complaints, or is it just
:00:43. > :00:47.people wanting top quality culture? Will they ever meet -- ever be
:00:47. > :00:51.universally accepted answers to questions about Lockerbie? There
:00:51. > :00:56.are reports a court in Malta has been re examining witnesses, and it
:00:56. > :01:01.is being asked, what are the Scottish legal authorities doing?
:01:01. > :01:11.Will they be a new appeal on behalf of Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi, or even a
:01:11. > :01:12.
:01:12. > :01:15.public inquiry. This is the Maltese newspaper
:01:15. > :01:20.article which has thrown the spotlight once again on the role
:01:20. > :01:23.the Ireland played in the 1988 Lockerbie bombing. And on the
:01:23. > :01:28.secrecy surrounding the continuing investigation. Amid conditions of
:01:28. > :01:31.secrecy so tight that even the peepholes in the Court Room were so
:01:31. > :01:37.tight could -- were blocked, a magistrate questioned a number of
:01:37. > :01:42.witnesses following a diplomatic request from the UK. Neither the
:01:42. > :01:46.Maltese not Scottish authorities will comment.
:01:46. > :01:50.A Malta was well known as a place for prominence Libyans to relax and
:01:50. > :01:55.do business, probably in contravention of UN sanctions. The
:01:55. > :01:58.only man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing, Abdelbaset Al-Megrahi, was
:01:58. > :02:05.a frequent visitor, he had a mistress on the island. His last
:02:05. > :02:08.visit was the day before the bombing in 1988. He was said to
:02:08. > :02:15.have bought clothing, fragments of which were found wrapped around
:02:15. > :02:18.pieces of the bomb timer. The shop keep that -- this shopkeeper
:02:18. > :02:25.controversially identified in, and this was accepted by the trial
:02:25. > :02:31.judges. Megrahi had used his Libyan Arab Airlines connections to send
:02:31. > :02:37.an armoured deck -- other company to suitcase onto a service which
:02:37. > :02:43.fed into a Pan Am Flight 103. Megrahi, who died earlier this year,
:02:43. > :02:47.was convicted of mass murder and later released on compassionate
:02:47. > :02:53.grounds. Police say they investigation into the bombing
:02:53. > :02:58.remains life. Dumfries and Galloway police are working with Louis -- US
:02:58. > :03:01.enforcement agencies in order to preserve the integrity of the
:03:01. > :03:07.investigation, it would not be appropriate to offer further
:03:07. > :03:12.comment. Reevel Alderson is with me now.
:03:12. > :03:17.What is going on in Malta? We do not know what went on last
:03:17. > :03:22.week, because neither the Maltese authorities nor the Crown Office or
:03:22. > :03:26.the police, as we had just there, will comment. I have to say, from
:03:26. > :03:30.the Scottish Crown Office perspective, it is fairly strange
:03:30. > :03:33.that they say they will not comment on a life investigation of, the
:03:33. > :03:37.police say that, they say they could not possibly comment on a
:03:37. > :03:40.live investigation. Of course, the police do that all the time, they
:03:40. > :03:46.appealed for witnesses and talk about how tragic an event has been
:03:46. > :03:51.and so forth. We do not know what is happening, but it is quite clear
:03:51. > :03:56.that the investigation that has been undertaken by Dumfries and
:03:56. > :03:59.Galloway Constabulary since 1988 is continuing, are we know that, and
:03:59. > :04:05.we know there are a number of officers involved, but we do not
:04:05. > :04:11.know of any links to Malta or whether any of them went to Malta.
:04:11. > :04:14.Up there is also a summit coming up at home about this. Yes, there is a
:04:14. > :04:20.petition before the justice committee of the Scottish
:04:20. > :04:25.parliament from the justice for Megrahi Group, at they are asking
:04:25. > :04:30.for a public inquiry to be held into the circumstances and indeed
:04:30. > :04:33.the conduct of the investigation and subsequent trial. It will
:04:33. > :04:37.reappear before the justice committee later this month, what
:04:37. > :04:41.will happen then, I think it will be continued, but there does appear
:04:41. > :04:45.to be a body of new evidence which they have got which they are likely
:04:45. > :04:52.to put to the Scottish government about what they would see as the
:04:52. > :04:56.mishandling of the prosecution. It was intended to be a modern,
:04:56. > :05:00.forward looking funding body to replace the Scottish Arts Council,
:05:00. > :05:04.but two years on, Creative Scotland faces ramblings from the ranks of
:05:04. > :05:08.artists and performers it invests in. Their main complaint is a
:05:08. > :05:13.funding shake-up that would involve more of -- more companies using
:05:13. > :05:16.lottery funding, and a lack of communication. Today, Creative
:05:16. > :05:25.Scotland's chief executive was quizzed by the Scottish Parliament
:05:25. > :05:31.at launched a robust defence. You deny people the right of appeal.
:05:31. > :05:34.It would not be tolerated anywhere else. Secretive and unaccountable,
:05:34. > :05:40.the charges levelled at the Scottish Arts Council when it came
:05:40. > :05:44.under the spotlight at Westminster 14 years ago.
:05:44. > :05:49.It is approximately one year on from the last meeting, had two
:05:49. > :05:53.years on from its creation. Today, a new body at the new parliament.
:05:53. > :05:59.But the questions are the same. His Creative Scotland run by a group of
:05:59. > :06:04.bureaucrats? A I would defend my team. We are
:06:04. > :06:08.not bureaucrats, we are skilled people who are trying to make the
:06:08. > :06:13.best of the limited resources we have to benefit the whole of
:06:13. > :06:18.Scotland. That was certainly the end when
:06:18. > :06:23.Creative Scotland was set up two years ago to handle a budget of �83
:06:23. > :06:26.million with a diverse range of cultural activity. There were
:06:26. > :06:34.already concerned about the merging of commercially viable art forms
:06:34. > :06:37.with those which require a subsidy. A new film version of off a novel
:06:37. > :06:42.got to Creative Scotland backing, but so did a successful television
:06:42. > :06:52.cookery show, leaving many considering -- questioning of the
:06:52. > :06:55.
:06:55. > :07:01.But it is the decision to move or 49 organisations like this one from
:07:01. > :07:06.fixed funding on to lottery money which has caused the biggest outcry.
:07:06. > :07:15.Are we need to do two things, one being building a large project with
:07:15. > :07:22.multiple partners over a long time, like the show. Also, doing very
:07:22. > :07:26.fast turnaround shows, a three- month run in April somewhere, now,
:07:26. > :07:32.under the old system, we were given a plot of money for two years,
:07:32. > :07:35.added was very flexible and we could do these things. And now,
:07:35. > :07:39.with the new investment agreements, it is very different, because what
:07:39. > :07:43.you have to bring to the table when you go to Creative Scotland is you
:07:44. > :07:47.have to bring a level of detail that is almost impossible for some
:07:47. > :07:52.projects where we do not know what will be having, so what it means is
:07:52. > :07:58.that we will have to make many, many more funding applications to
:07:58. > :08:01.Creative Scotland, which is our administration will have to grow.
:08:01. > :08:05.But Andrew Dixon insists the lottery is the way forward, and not
:08:06. > :08:09.just for individual projects. A lottery funding can be used for
:08:09. > :08:15.this, and a number of the distributors, they have been
:08:15. > :08:22.funding individual elite athletes. They do more revenue funding that
:08:22. > :08:25.we have in the past. We want to explore that further. Why some --
:08:25. > :08:30.while some may question whether Creative Scotland can use lottery
:08:30. > :08:33.money to replace continuing funding, most are happy to consider any new
:08:33. > :08:37.form of revenue, as long as Creative Scotland handles the
:08:37. > :08:40.paperwork and enables them to focus on the work.
:08:40. > :08:43.It has to start with Creative Scotland not party on
:08:43. > :08:46.responsibility of navigating the rules of lottery funding to
:08:46. > :08:49.companies like ours, but dealing with it themselves at working out
:08:49. > :08:55.away where they can give us the money, to trust us if they like Al
:08:55. > :09:00.work. And if our work has a track record. To say, there you go, do
:09:00. > :09:04.not worry about these things, and there are specific things that fit
:09:04. > :09:09.into that. I am sure we can get around things if Creative Scotland
:09:09. > :09:12.do listen. Today, Andrew Dixon admitted he had
:09:12. > :09:16.got it wrong, but intended to do better.
:09:16. > :09:20.We needed to listen more to artists, not just work through the
:09:20. > :09:23.intermediary agencies that where -- that we are funding to support
:09:23. > :09:27.artists, so we are putting in place measures to do that. We have had a
:09:27. > :09:32.very good dialogue over the theatre review that we have done a, a lot
:09:32. > :09:36.of people are engaging with that consultation process, and now there
:09:36. > :09:41.is a dialogue over how to spend the money, we will do the same with
:09:41. > :09:46.dance and crafts. We are very committed to talking to artist. It
:09:46. > :09:51.is quite good when the artists come to us and we can listen to them
:09:51. > :09:55.directly. A lot of the commentary has been happening on Twitter and
:09:55. > :09:58.in the press rather than directly engaging with Creative Scotland.
:09:58. > :10:02.The end is no doubting that Scotland is an amazingly creative
:10:02. > :10:08.place, and not just in the world of theatre. This city, just a month
:10:08. > :10:14.ago, was a host to the world's largest art festival. Companies
:10:14. > :10:17.take their world -- take their work abroad often. But with such a busy
:10:17. > :10:24.and complicated cultural scene, is it feasible for Creative Scotland
:10:24. > :10:27.to fund it all? Are so, tough decisions ahead for Creative
:10:28. > :10:36.Scotland -- Creative Scotland, if they want to nurture all art forms
:10:36. > :10:41.across the whole nation. I am joined by Joyce McMillan and
:10:41. > :10:47.France is the key, director of Contemporary Art in Glasgow. --
:10:47. > :10:52.Frances McKie. There are concerns over
:10:52. > :10:56.communications and transparency. Where have we got to with that?
:10:56. > :11:00.The situation is still quite serious in the sense that there are
:11:00. > :11:03.many leading artists who are very unhappy with the way things have
:11:03. > :11:07.gone with Creative Scotland over the last year or so, and the issues
:11:07. > :11:11.are to do party would be shift towards lottery funding, which you
:11:11. > :11:15.have heard about just now, the insecurity and so on, but also to
:11:15. > :11:18.do with the language and the tone in which that has been implemented,
:11:18. > :11:23.and I have almost lost out of the number of people who have
:11:23. > :11:26.complained to me about being talked down to a, about being patronised,
:11:26. > :11:30.about being taught to as if they did not know how to run their own
:11:30. > :11:34.companies, about being treated as if they need for public subsidy,
:11:34. > :11:37.which is absolutely standard feature of the art scene in any
:11:37. > :11:41.civilised European country, was somehow a problem which required
:11:41. > :11:45.them to be harassed or questioned as to why they cannot enhance their
:11:45. > :11:50.income from other sources and in other ways. I do not know why that
:11:50. > :11:53.tone was taken, I do not know where that problem came from, but I am
:11:53. > :11:56.very glad to see Andrew Dixon acknowledging that there has been a
:11:56. > :12:00.problem at that level. That is a first step towards doing something
:12:00. > :12:04.about it, but it has to be said that the row that he complains
:12:04. > :12:06.about on the internet and everywhere else was absolutely
:12:06. > :12:10.necessary to kick down the door and get that conversation going,
:12:10. > :12:20.because it just was that happening, and a lot of people took to social
:12:20. > :12:27.
:12:27. > :12:33.networks like the Twitter because How difficult is it for people to
:12:33. > :12:40.actually apply for funding and then be critical, because they fear or
:12:40. > :12:46.consequences for the funding? across the art community it is
:12:46. > :12:51.difficult, but I think what has been done has opened the door and
:12:51. > :12:55.broken the silence on discussion about funding. Now it is more
:12:55. > :13:01.possible to talk about the detail of funding. Things have been
:13:01. > :13:07.changing. The discussions we have been having have been much more
:13:08. > :13:13.positive since your criticisms. We're talking much longer term with
:13:13. > :13:21.no cherry-picking of projects so it is much more supportive. We
:13:21. > :13:23.appreciate that but there is further to go. Then used to be more
:13:23. > :13:31.communication from Creative Scotland about the changes that
:13:31. > :13:35.have created the openness and their responses to the dialogue. What
:13:35. > :13:39.about the actual structures? There are of his problems with
:13:39. > :13:45.communication but that is not a whole story. There was could
:13:45. > :13:51.discussion today about the way that Creative Scotland is trying to
:13:51. > :13:58.focus -- function with a much up smaller staff from the Arts Council
:13:58. > :14:02.had. What is happening is that decisions are being made by small
:14:02. > :14:08.teams of Creative Scotland employees. I think the effect of
:14:08. > :14:16.that, given that all those people are effectively managed by the same
:14:16. > :14:23.line managers, is to narrow the Spear of decision-making. Are I
:14:23. > :14:32.think that is an issue. It is not very clear to people how those
:14:32. > :14:36.teams are working because they have all got new titles. Be on that, I
:14:36. > :14:40.think there is the need for independent voices from people who
:14:40. > :14:44.were not employees of the organisation to be advising on
:14:44. > :14:49.those decisions, perhaps in an advisory rather than a decisive
:14:49. > :14:54.role. That was how the Arts Council functioned and it was seen as
:14:54. > :15:00.cumbersome but it did widen the voice is contributing. Do you have
:15:00. > :15:04.concerns that they could be some geographical box-ticking going on?
:15:04. > :15:14.Probably. It is very difficult for culture to happen across the
:15:14. > :15:20.
:15:20. > :15:24.country. It does happen in the strangest places. It does not have
:15:24. > :15:31.to beat Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee, but it is very hard to say that has
:15:31. > :15:35.to be replicated across every region of the country. Once again,
:15:35. > :15:41.the questioning today to go to the issue. There was interesting
:15:41. > :15:47.discussion about her project in Dumfries and Galloway which people
:15:47. > :15:50.saw as having been parachuted in. I think it is great if Creative
:15:50. > :15:53.Scotland starts to support infrastructure across the whole of
:15:53. > :15:59.Scotland but I think there is a suspicion that at the moment they
:15:59. > :16:03.go towards ticking their own boxes by parachuting things in. I do not
:16:03. > :16:08.see at the moment one the processes are for preventing that. The whole
:16:08. > :16:14.idea of their dialogue with local authorities and artists is not very
:16:14. > :16:19.systematic and there is not much Monetary. Today in committee there
:16:19. > :16:26.was evidence about social enterprise models in artist that
:16:26. > :16:33.crude. What does that actually mean? I'm not so sure! I agree
:16:33. > :16:39.there you need to have public subsidy as well. Some things, such
:16:39. > :16:45.as working with the NHS or other social art forms, to do social good
:16:45. > :16:51.with the hard. But not all art is socially could, not all art is
:16:51. > :16:55.healthy and friendly. Some art is nasty and evil! So social
:16:55. > :16:59.enterprise worked for some things but not others. People will be
:16:59. > :17:06.listening to this and saying of the arts taking their share of the
:17:06. > :17:11.cards? One of the interesting things about this row is that this
:17:11. > :17:16.is really not about money. People are not complaining about the
:17:16. > :17:19.amount of money. People understand that the core funding has to reduce
:17:19. > :17:25.and they understand a lottery funding may have to play a bigger
:17:25. > :17:28.role. It is about the way that the transition is being handled, the
:17:28. > :17:33.values and language that up being deployed, and this kind of
:17:33. > :17:38.insistence that some had there is something wrong with people for
:17:38. > :17:42.needing public subsidy. Scotland should be proud of the way to have
:17:43. > :17:49.publicly supported the arts. When Andrew Dixon took up his job, he
:17:49. > :17:53.said that giving money was the boring part of his job. I think it
:17:53. > :17:56.is her privileged to give money to some of the people who crate Art in
:17:57. > :18:01.Scotland and they should be seen as a central part of the job of
:18:01. > :18:06.Creative Scotland. I think because they have that attitude to it they
:18:06. > :18:11.have let people down in terms of the detail, the transparency, and
:18:11. > :18:16.they are still making it completely clear what they on about. They have
:18:16. > :18:21.such a wide remit that people do sometimes ask what are they doing?
:18:21. > :18:27.Other encouraging enterprise, of encouraging people to tackle social
:18:27. > :18:34.problems, or rather, in fact, standing up for art? I think their
:18:34. > :18:41.job is just enough for art. Thank you both very much for coming in. A
:18:41. > :18:46.quick look at tomorrow's papers. The front page lead in all the
:18:46. > :18:56.papers is the killing of two and aren't police officers in
:18:56. > :19:14.
:19:14. > :19:21.That is it from me for tonight. A Good evening. It looks like another
:19:21. > :19:26.day of a sunny spells and showers. The showers will push their way
:19:26. > :19:31.down to the Midlands and it is from their northwards where most of the
:19:31. > :19:38.showers will be. But even with the showers, some good spells of
:19:38. > :19:42.sunshine in between. Temperatures up to 17 or 18 down towards the
:19:42. > :19:49.south. For many counties of England it will be a fine day with plenty
:19:49. > :19:54.of sunshine. Most of Wales enjoying a decent day. One of two showers
:19:54. > :20:00.for the afternoon, most of them around the shores of Cardigan Bay.
:20:00. > :20:05.For more than Ireland, a reasonable day. Not particularly windy and 13
:20:05. > :20:10.or 14 degrees. Could spells of sunshine is gone and but equally a
:20:10. > :20:16.scattering of my showers. Rain on the way for Thursday will affect
:20:16. > :20:21.many northern parts of the United Kingdom. The further south the two
:20:21. > :20:30.on Thursday, the prospects are that bit drier but it does look fairly