:00:19. > :00:26.review the schools opening next Tonight: Scotland and Europe are in
:00:26. > :00:32.negotiations. The arguments continue. You could be forgiven to
:00:32. > :00:38.think this is like a long-running pantomime. We ask why the statement
:00:38. > :00:43.by Nicola Sturgeon has put the genie back in the bottle. Creative
:00:43. > :00:47.Scotland holds its first annual awards dinner. Should tonight's
:00:47. > :00:50.event be its valedictory bash? Good evening. It has turned out to be
:00:50. > :00:53.one of the surprise hits of 2012, how an independent Scotland would
:00:53. > :00:56.negotiate membership of the European Union. And there are lots
:00:56. > :00:58.of good plot lines, too. The break up of the United Kingdom. High-
:00:58. > :01:01.finance. Oil. International politics. But when the final
:01:01. > :01:04.chapter is eventually written, the SNP says common sense, realism and
:01:04. > :01:07.mutual consent will win the day. All in all, it could make for a
:01:07. > :01:09.decent political thriller. But, after the spats of this week,
:01:09. > :01:12.started by the intervention of Commission president Jose Manuel
:01:13. > :01:22.Barroso, maybe it has come to feel a bit like of a seasonal pantomime.
:01:22. > :01:26.Laura Bicker compiled this report. Hello, boys and girls! So, boys and
:01:26. > :01:32.girls of Scotland, what have we learned over the last week about an
:01:32. > :01:38.independent Scotland and the EU? We certainly are not living happily
:01:38. > :01:43.ever after. It has been a bit of a song and a dance. First of all,
:01:43. > :01:48.this come up on the front page of the Scotsman. It's good Scotland
:01:48. > :01:54.would have to reapply to become a member of the EU. It is of interest
:01:54. > :02:01.for the people of Scotland to find it where it came from. There were
:02:01. > :02:05.anti- independence people. Was the commission at fault? We know that
:02:05. > :02:09.story is not correct. Then there was the European Commission
:02:09. > :02:15.President himself, who said in newly independent Scotland would
:02:15. > :02:22.have to reapply to join the EU. the country becomes independent, it
:02:22. > :02:28.is a new state and has to prove -- has to negotiate. You are saying,
:02:28. > :02:34.we will still be able to keep being members. Is there really a position
:02:34. > :02:42.that can be sustained for a single second? To you disagree with the
:02:42. > :02:47.4th paragraph of the better? -- do you disagree? If it were to become
:02:47. > :02:53.a newly independent state, of the treaties with no longer apply.
:02:53. > :03:00.is the point where pink is the nub of this letter from the President
:03:00. > :03:06.of the UK Commission. -- that I think. It is where, I think, there
:03:06. > :03:13.is no foundation entreaty for that position to be supported. --
:03:13. > :03:20.Foundation treaty. Today it was time for the SNP fairy godmother to
:03:20. > :03:27.take to her feet. The UK Commission is not the final arbiter of these
:03:27. > :03:31.matters. -- the EU Commission. It does not constitute the ruling. Nor
:03:32. > :03:37.does it claimed to be addressing the particular situation of
:03:37. > :03:40.Scotland. We are an integral member of the EU. It is not credible to
:03:40. > :03:46.review that the other nations of the European Union would not want
:03:46. > :03:52.to retain access to the vast array of resources and opportunities that
:03:52. > :03:58.Scotland brings to the EU table. Star Dale, the questions kept
:03:58. > :04:03.coming. -- still, the questions kept coming. Does she know if she
:04:03. > :04:10.will be granted a meeting? What questions will she asked? Wills
:04:10. > :04:16.should just tell him how it will be? -- she asked him? Will she just
:04:16. > :04:21.tell him? The Scottish Government says the law is on his side. The
:04:21. > :04:27.opposition says this is fantasy. At least this Holyrood battle has not
:04:27. > :04:37.yet come to fisticuffs, unlike in the Ukraine parliament. Not the
:04:37. > :04:40.
:04:40. > :04:43.tame in sight. Good heavens! -- not a Dame. Well, we asked Nicola
:04:43. > :04:46.Sturgeon on to the programme tonight but she declined. But we
:04:46. > :04:48.are joined in Glasgow by the SNP's Stewart Maxwell and, from Edinburgh,
:04:49. > :04:51.by Willie Rennie, leader of the Scottish Liberal Democrats. You
:04:51. > :05:01.have got the statement from Nicola Sturgeon. Is a a whole thing laid
:05:01. > :05:05.to rest? It has been shambolic from start to finish. They said they had
:05:05. > :05:12.legal advice and now we discover they did not. It does not matter.
:05:12. > :05:18.They also said that Scotland would not have to negotiate in the early
:05:18. > :05:26.stages. Now they say they do. It has been a shambles. That is a
:05:26. > :05:30.rapid history of your take on the affair. Given there appears to be a
:05:30. > :05:35.statement saying there has to be negotiations, there is nothing in
:05:35. > :05:41.that you could disagree with, is there? There is no rust to go. We
:05:41. > :05:48.would have to be in the European Union. -- nowhere else to go.
:05:48. > :05:56.will come on to that. Why did you not just...? If the truth is there
:05:56. > :06:01.would have to the negotiations, it means it could end in failure. You
:06:01. > :06:05.accept there have to the negotiations. Nicola Sturgeon says
:06:05. > :06:11.there is a realistic prospect of them staying in the EU. Why did you
:06:11. > :06:15.not say that in the first place? have always said that. By the stuff
:06:15. > :06:23.about Scotland automatically remaining a member of the EU? --
:06:23. > :06:28.why the stuff? It is not about whether Scotland would be in or out
:06:28. > :06:34.of the you but the negotiated settlement for its membership.
:06:34. > :06:40.the EU. It is not a negotiation about where this cover-up begin are
:06:40. > :06:45.out of the EU, it is about how many members we have. -- whether
:06:45. > :06:52.Scotland will be in or out of the EU. If there were negotiations and
:06:52. > :06:58.the EU insisted that Scotland should join the euro or the
:06:58. > :07:01.agreement which is a central pillar of European Union membership and
:07:01. > :07:05.the Scottish Government refused, are you saying it would still be a
:07:05. > :07:10.member of the European Union and the countries that demanded these
:07:10. > :07:17.things would have to part cough? That is not the interpretation at
:07:17. > :07:23.all. -- back off. We would be negotiating these arrangements from
:07:23. > :07:29.inside the European Union. That is very different. He is not talking
:07:29. > :07:34.about the situation appertaining to Scotland. In terms of the euro,
:07:34. > :07:40.there is no way to force the country to join the euro. That is
:07:40. > :07:49.wrong. That is not true. Ireland and the UK currently have an
:07:49. > :07:54.arrangement outside the Schengen Agreement. Realistically there
:07:54. > :08:00.would have to be negotiation. The fundamental point is, there is no
:08:00. > :08:04.obvious reason why any countries in the European Union should want to
:08:04. > :08:09.make life... No reason why the EU as a whole should want to make it
:08:09. > :08:14.difficult for Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon was right in one thing
:08:14. > :08:22.today if stop it is not just about the legal issues. It is about
:08:22. > :08:26.politics. -- one thing today. They are always keen to get something
:08:26. > :08:31.for their country. You can just imagine the circumstances where
:08:31. > :08:38.they are negotiating for Scotland to cumin. It has no choice to go
:08:38. > :08:44.anywhere else. -- come in. There would be all sorts of concessions
:08:44. > :08:47.against Scotland. That would be a poor handful Scotland. I take you
:08:47. > :08:52.do not accept this idea that some has got and what remained almost
:08:52. > :09:00.permanently a member of the European Union, even though it had
:09:00. > :09:07.to negotiate to be in it. -- that Scotland. You presumably would not
:09:08. > :09:13.accept that? It is about membership terms in the European Union.
:09:13. > :09:20.Stewart says they are a continuing member. You would have to negotiate.
:09:20. > :09:27.I cannot see are circumstances where they were not in the European
:09:28. > :09:33.Union. -- the circumstances. There are financial restraints which
:09:33. > :09:39.countries like Sweden have to comply with. Scotland has 1% of the
:09:39. > :09:44.total population of the European Union and that is not a strong hand.
:09:44. > :09:50.Presumably with things like the UK rebate, you would not be demanding
:09:50. > :09:55.that. The Budget would have to be negotiated. We have accepted that.
:09:55. > :09:59.You would not seek a specific rebate. We would negotiate the
:09:59. > :10:05.contribution of Scotland. That is another reason why Scotland would
:10:05. > :10:15.not be thrown out of the European Union. No one is saying we're going
:10:15. > :10:20.to be thrown out. The issue is about strength of hand. Part of
:10:20. > :10:28.your problem in theirs is that you changed your position on the euro.
:10:28. > :10:34.It used to be Scotland joining the euro. Why not do that? We talked
:10:34. > :10:40.about joining the euro when it was the appropriate time. Why not just
:10:40. > :10:46.join it? No sensible person would say this was the appropriate time
:10:46. > :10:52.to join the euro. That is daft. Look at the financial situation in
:10:52. > :10:58.the eurozone. If you go into a currency union with the UK,
:10:58. > :11:05.Scotland would have no say it on Web, or if, it joined the euro.
:11:05. > :11:10.would have a say in it. A country has to be in the ERM for several
:11:10. > :11:17.years. It is up to the UK government to decide that. You have
:11:17. > :11:23.to be a member of the ERM for several years. Joining the euro is
:11:23. > :11:29.entirely voluntary. We would not be joining the euro. No party in the
:11:29. > :11:37.UK wants to join the euro. I mean, how could you ever do that?
:11:37. > :11:42.country can change its position. Are you seriously saying that?
:11:42. > :11:49.would be in the sterling Zen and that is the position for the
:11:49. > :11:55.foreseeable future. Scotland has most of the gas and 60% of the
:11:55. > :12:02.territorial waters. The idea that Scotland has a weak hand is
:12:02. > :12:06.ludicrous. We have no around us to go. Hang on a second. What is the
:12:06. > :12:11.Liberal Democrat position on joining the euro? When know you do
:12:11. > :12:16.not want Scotland to be independent. If it does come up with the Liberal
:12:16. > :12:21.Democrats in Scotland say, let's just join up? We do not want to be
:12:21. > :12:26.forced to make the choice between the euro and the pound run by a
:12:26. > :12:31.foreign government. We do not want to go down that route. Let's say
:12:31. > :12:38.you lose. You're not going to disappear, are you? The Liberal
:12:38. > :12:43.Democrats will not say, we lost the referendum. We are constructive. We
:12:43. > :12:47.want to try to make the best of a bad job and there difficult
:12:47. > :12:54.circumstances we are in. We would have to work with the United
:12:54. > :13:00.Kingdom to try to form alliances. So, you support the currency union?
:13:00. > :13:07.We are against it. We would work constructively. I understand that
:13:07. > :13:10.you do not want a yes vote. You are saying, if there is a yes vote, you
:13:10. > :13:15.actually would support the views of Stuart Maxwell and what we should
:13:15. > :13:21.do with the currency? I am saying I did not want that position but if
:13:21. > :13:27.we are there, we will make the best of a bad job. We will work with our
:13:27. > :13:32.partners. He is mad if he thinks that is a good idea. This stuff
:13:32. > :13:42.about gas and oil. We know it has lots of gas and oil but it does not
:13:42. > :13:43.
:13:43. > :13:48.want to be in the EU. That is the decision of Norway. Those up only
:13:48. > :13:54.one of the things that Scotland brings to the table. Renewable
:13:54. > :13:57.energy resources of the potential we have and the fishing waters. The
:13:57. > :14:04.idea that the European Union would throw out a country that contain so
:14:04. > :14:11.much of the rich fishing grounds of states such as Spain... I thought
:14:11. > :14:17.you were in favour of it? common fisheries policy... All of
:14:17. > :14:20.these things... I Am curious. You have had long-standing problems.
:14:20. > :14:24.Would you demand changes as a condition of signing up to the
:14:24. > :14:33.European Union? It is about negotiate with friends and partners
:14:33. > :14:38.in Europe. There needs to be a red line. There is a red line. We think
:14:38. > :14:44.the Scottish referendum would benefit from this -- at the Common
:14:45. > :14:54.Fisheries Policy and the wit -- the rich resources we have in our
:14:54. > :14:57.You can't beat a good awards ceremony. The glitz, the glamour,
:14:57. > :15:01.the recognition for a job well done. That's what the funding body
:15:01. > :15:04.Creative Scotland had in mind when it teamed up with the Daily Record
:15:04. > :15:07.to launch a new awards ceremony. The film The Angel's Share, the
:15:07. > :15:09.Glasgow Film Festival and the band Manran were among the nominees at
:15:09. > :15:13.the event in Glasgow's Kelvingrove Museum tonight. But many others are
:15:13. > :15:15.staying away, angry at the cost, the timing and the all male jury.
:15:15. > :15:20.Our arts correspondent Pauline McLean reports.
:15:20. > :15:25.The final preparations for their newest award ceremony in Scotland.
:15:25. > :15:33.The awards created by a creative Scotland celebrate the cultural
:15:33. > :15:38.scheme with Manny performers provided the entertainment. We want
:15:38. > :15:43.to raise the profile of arts and culture in a broader audience. It
:15:43. > :15:47.is about depreciation, awareness and hopefully participation. The
:15:47. > :15:52.awards are the culmination of a campaign run with the Daily Record
:15:52. > :15:58.and through the Metro, to encourage people to nominate you they feel
:15:58. > :16:03.have been created people across a variety of art forms. But it has
:16:03. > :16:07.not turned out like that. There are �30,000 cost of a bone of
:16:07. > :16:12.contention, and the ticket price beyond most working hard as, and
:16:12. > :16:17.then be decision to select an all- male jury. Any public row of about
:16:17. > :16:22.the way that it is run and the resignation of the chief executive,
:16:22. > :16:30.and at the very least, celebration seems premature. Some of the
:16:30. > :16:35.artists can still consider protesting, and some say it should
:16:35. > :16:39.not stop it has been ill-conceived end mismanaged from the website
:16:39. > :16:44.with lots of spelling mistakes, from people's names spelt wrong to
:16:44. > :16:50.the ludicrous names of some other categories. Also, their piece de
:16:50. > :16:54.resistance of having an all-male judging panel, it was a disaster
:16:54. > :16:59.from start to finish. It is a private function that is costing
:16:59. > :17:05.�100 a ticket. There is so much to be celebrated Tendayi seemed to be
:17:05. > :17:11.wanting to make the arts corporates. -- and they seem to be wanting. It
:17:11. > :17:16.has been the kind of language that has been used, it was market-driven,
:17:16. > :17:21.and that is what the real problem is. It is about the war roads and
:17:22. > :17:26.these are trivial aspect of it. -- the awards. There has been a
:17:26. > :17:32.campaign started up on Facebook, it is when they announced that it was
:17:32. > :17:36.going to be an all-male jury, I mean what a howler! C above the
:17:36. > :17:41.nominees have deliberately stayed away, but some say that the awards
:17:41. > :17:46.are important. We have all worked very hard at what we're doing and
:17:46. > :17:54.it is nice to bring harrowed little team together and show them
:17:54. > :17:58.appreciation. -- bring a Rome team together. It is a nice experience
:17:58. > :18:06.and it is the opportunity to meet other artists working in other
:18:06. > :18:14.genres. I am at the thought to that. The awards are part of a year of
:18:14. > :18:19.creative Scotland, a Government campaign to celebrate culture. They
:18:19. > :18:24.promote tourism ahead of the arts, but they want to change that.
:18:24. > :18:28.is about promoting artists and performers. It is important to do
:18:28. > :18:32.this and it is important to take the successful work of our artists
:18:32. > :18:36.and share it with a wider audience. But everyone knows about all of our
:18:36. > :18:41.success stories and we need to introduce their work to a wider
:18:41. > :18:45.audience. That is why this event with the Daily Record and a
:18:45. > :18:49.national newspaper will introduce some artists to a wider audience.
:18:49. > :18:54.We should celebrate success, we have a lot to be proud of, but it
:18:54. > :19:00.is not about an hour organisation, about creative Scotland, it has got
:19:00. > :19:05.to be about the artists. I welcome the intimation that this is the way
:19:05. > :19:09.the organisation wants to go. used towards her genuinely divided
:19:09. > :19:12.the artistic community with some going home winners and others
:19:12. > :19:17.staying away. Although the planned protest didn't come to anything, if
:19:17. > :19:21.it is not a way. They are giving the board the time it requested to
:19:21. > :19:24.lug out what is wrong with the organisation had put it right.
:19:24. > :19:30.And Pauline McLean's back from those awards at Kelvingrove in
:19:30. > :19:34.Glasgow and joins me now in the studio. What was the protest about?
:19:34. > :19:38.There was a vociferous Facebook campaign since they were first
:19:38. > :19:42.announced. There has been a lot of help the discussion about it with
:19:42. > :19:50.talk initially of a flash pop or possibly an alternative award
:19:50. > :19:53.ceremony taking place. To make the point in the piece about this
:19:53. > :19:57.notion of an all-male jury, they tackled that themselves when they
:19:57. > :20:03.realise they had made a mistake with that. They apologised red hat
:20:03. > :20:06.collection boxes this evening for Women's Aid, so it they recognised
:20:06. > :20:12.that they had made a mistake and they were collecting for Women's
:20:12. > :20:15.Aid. The board asks for more time to look at what they need to do. A
:20:15. > :20:20.lot of the artists are respecting that. The board said, give us time
:20:20. > :20:23.to sort this out, so rather than protest, they are waiting for the
:20:23. > :20:30.board to report back and tomorrow they will come back with the
:20:30. > :20:33.reports into the structure and what needs to change and also an update
:20:33. > :20:40.on where they are with their action plan that they announced last week.
:20:40. > :20:45.That is where we are. It seems, Brad sounding naive, it seems
:20:45. > :20:51.extraordinary having an all-male jury. It is extraordinary that they
:20:51. > :20:55.would come up with an all-male jury in 2012, and nobody would notice,
:20:55. > :20:59.and that they would think it would make up for this by having a
:20:59. > :21:03.collection for Women's Aid! This is something you would expect from a
:21:03. > :21:06.country club rather than an arts organisation! This is the first
:21:06. > :21:10.time they have worked with a tabloid newspaper they thought that
:21:10. > :21:15.any other time, they would have thought this would be welcomed with
:21:15. > :21:19.open arms by everyone, because it is very populist, this attempts to
:21:19. > :21:24.make the arts available to everyone, who will say no to a lovely night
:21:24. > :21:31.out at an awards ceremony, the big problem has been the timing. It
:21:31. > :21:35.happened at any other time, off when the board had not stood up and
:21:36. > :21:39.admitted getting it wrong and had a good address, when they did not
:21:39. > :21:43.admit it but they indulge in an activity that they called promoted
:21:43. > :21:47.greater Scotland ahead of artists and arts organisations, then how
:21:47. > :21:53.else can you viewed the creator Scott and awards staged by greater
:21:53. > :22:03.Scotland at the end of the year of scripted Scotland! And this lot
:22:03. > :22:08.toast, are other BA shake-up? has been one organisation. -- will
:22:08. > :22:12.there be an enormous Jacob. We're waiting to hear what the changes
:22:12. > :22:22.will be and we're waiting for that detail tomorrow. Thank you. A quick
:22:22. > :22:23.
:22:23. > :22:33.look at the front pages tomorrow, This is two days of rail strike
:22:33. > :22:37.
:22:37. > :22:47.The Guardian newspaper, hoax call victim left suicide note
:22:47. > :22:47.
:22:48. > :22:53.criticising hospital staff, this is the nurse that committed suicide
:22:53. > :23:03.after... She has criticised a hospital staff in this note. And
:23:03. > :23:05.
:23:05. > :23:15.the gay marriage ban vote, no one That is all we have time for, good
:23:15. > :23:21.
:23:21. > :23:26.Good evening, just in time for the weekend, milder weather moving into
:23:26. > :23:30.the UK. For Friday, it comes tied up with some wet and windy
:23:30. > :23:34.conditions, particularly in the south of the UK with some downpours.
:23:35. > :23:40.By the afternoon, the heaviest of the rain across northern England
:23:40. > :23:44.and East Anglia and the South East. The range at ease than somewhat on
:23:44. > :23:51.the south coast, but the morning could be quite tricky with a high
:23:51. > :23:55.tide and the wind direction. The Wales will be hanging on to some
:23:55. > :23:58.wet and windy weather into the afternoon with some heavy rain, but
:23:58. > :24:04.despite that, much milder than of late with temperatures in double
:24:04. > :24:09.figures. Feeling chilly in the wet and windy competitions --
:24:09. > :24:16.conditions. Some flooding in the south-east. For Scotland, blizzards
:24:16. > :24:21.across the Grampian and a strong wind and some snow showers. Looking
:24:21. > :24:26.at a wet end to the week, and in Manchester and Belfast, these are
:24:26. > :24:30.the conditions, and also some milder air, but temperatures been a
:24:30. > :24:35.dry and bright. By the time the low-pressure is through on Saturday,