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:00:14. > :00:17.Tonight on Newsnight Scotland, we reveal some important details

:00:17. > :00:21.Edinburgh council has been keeping from its council tax payers. Tens

:00:21. > :00:26.of millions of pounds may be jeopardised in the scandal of a

:00:26. > :00:30.tenement repair. The council has refused to publish its specially

:00:30. > :00:34.commissioned investigations. Surely there's nothing to hide?

:00:34. > :00:43.Also tonight, possibly the most famous Scot of all, Macbeth or

:00:43. > :00:49.stock of all the publicity, was he actually quite a good bloke?

:00:49. > :00:54.Edinburgh Council spent tens of millions on repairing tenements and

:00:54. > :00:58.has not claimed the money back. We can reveal reports from a forensic

:00:58. > :01:01.accountant into the scandal are being held back by the council.

:01:01. > :01:11.Hundreds of home owners have no idea whether their council is

:01:11. > :01:12.

:01:12. > :01:16.guilty or not of poor management or Instead of trying to give other

:01:16. > :01:20.owners of a tenement block took every what building repairs need to

:01:20. > :01:25.be done, in Edinburgh, the council can arrange it for you. It is

:01:25. > :01:29.called a statutory notice and each donor pays their share. But a year-

:01:29. > :01:33.and-a-half ago, we reported allegations of wrongdoing and

:01:33. > :01:38.owners' anger at the way it was being handled. The last we heard

:01:38. > :01:43.about the total cost of the sandstone was �250,000 and I think

:01:43. > :01:50.that what they have done is seen this as an opportunity to do a

:01:50. > :01:54.Rolls-Royce job on a building that was not necessary. And we cannot

:01:54. > :01:58.afford the Rolls-Royce. We received a letter and it tells the so they

:01:58. > :02:05.are quite clearly, on no account give these clients any indication

:02:05. > :02:08.of cost as they do change day-by- day. So you were expected to have

:02:08. > :02:14.your cheque book open and let somebody else fill it in? That is

:02:14. > :02:19.what it seems like. So the council brought in independent auditors,

:02:19. > :02:24.Deloitte pull stop it took around a year to scrutinise finances over

:02:24. > :02:27.who knew what when and Edinburgh city council's decision and then in

:02:27. > :02:31.spring last year, we heard their investigations were finally

:02:32. > :02:39.complete. Since then we have been awaiting the publication of what

:02:39. > :02:47.became known as the Deloitte report. We are still waiting. It turns out

:02:47. > :02:53.there are two reports. Project Soul and Project Power. What was in them

:02:53. > :02:59.that had to remain secret for so long? -- project Sella. Here are

:02:59. > :03:03.some of the points I have been allowed to see. Evidence of

:03:03. > :03:07.problems with cost to home owners, work done not necessary for public

:03:07. > :03:15.safety, overcharging, tendering and quality control.

:03:15. > :03:21.It also says a Contractor obtained confidential access to a payment

:03:21. > :03:31.system, 850 times over four years. Project Sola is highly critical of

:03:31. > :03:33.

:03:34. > :03:39.the finances of the project. It was effectively operating a huge

:03:39. > :03:44.overdraft which the report suggests expose the council to legal and

:03:44. > :03:50.financial risks. Investigators also found an internal report about the

:03:50. > :03:54.department from as far back as 2000 update which was destroyed before

:03:54. > :03:57.Deloitte started their investigation. I have spoken to one

:03:57. > :04:03.former employee who has seen the report as well. They told me that

:04:03. > :04:07.many of these points are wrong and taken out of context. These errors

:04:07. > :04:13.were already known about and called the report a �2 million waste of

:04:13. > :04:17.public money. The tendering process was 110% above board, approved by

:04:17. > :04:20.the procurement and legal departments of the council and said

:04:20. > :04:25.contractors were not just writing cheques to themselves. Other former

:04:25. > :04:31.employees have spoken differently. They do not want to be identified

:04:31. > :04:34.either. It was unbelievable, what was going on. In one section, a

:04:34. > :04:39.spreadsheet was drawn up and it was claimed that was to put �7 million

:04:39. > :04:44.worth of work done but only one put �3 million could be identified --

:04:44. > :04:50.2.7 million worth. If there was money going missing, the council

:04:50. > :04:54.would have no idea. He also claims that contractors' rates were being

:04:54. > :04:59.seen by other builder so they could undercut their rivals.

:04:59. > :05:05.Can you be certain that contractors had hold of other contractors'

:05:05. > :05:09.rates? Yes, more than 100% positive. I saw them in a contractors' office,

:05:09. > :05:19.and a contractor who had a lot to gain from those rate. The council

:05:19. > :05:29.

:05:29. > :05:35.What the Deloitte reports remain unpublished, there will always be

:05:35. > :05:40.more questions than answers but fresh questions are being raised

:05:40. > :05:44.and perhaps not providing all the answers, people are hoping for

:05:44. > :05:48.answers. And Emma-Jane condemned and Bruce Thomson say they have not

:05:48. > :05:54.had any answers they were looking for. They have not even received a

:05:54. > :05:59.bill. Fiona Walker is here now. Fiona,

:05:59. > :06:03.will these reports ever be published? After spending what is

:06:03. > :06:11.thought to be about �2 million on them plus the costs of getting a

:06:11. > :06:15.team of external Surveyors in, suspending staff on full pay, you

:06:15. > :06:20.would hope we would see something. The council said they would publish

:06:20. > :06:24.a version and the reason they haven't so far, they said, is

:06:24. > :06:29.because their ongoing criminal proceedings and an internal

:06:29. > :06:35.disciplinary process. What else is there to come on this? Probably

:06:35. > :06:40.quite a lot. These reports are 79 pages and 99 pages long

:06:40. > :06:43.respectively. Lots of detail, I have not seen all sections of the

:06:43. > :06:47.report and I should let knowledge that there was some good work done

:06:47. > :06:54.within the property conservation department but delight really did

:06:54. > :06:59.paint a picture of mismanagement -- Deloitte, and financial, shall we

:06:59. > :07:05.say, incoherence it. They are strong on that and the language

:07:05. > :07:11.used is fairly steady -- incoherent. Discreet recommendations, and they

:07:11. > :07:18.say it is imperative and then they are saying to the council that this

:07:18. > :07:22.money coming in, sorry, going out to contractors which is public

:07:23. > :07:28.money which is not being recouped quickly enough or at all from home

:07:28. > :07:34.owners for accountants, that is obviously baffling. They are

:07:34. > :07:39.operating on an overdraft system which is about �28 million in one

:07:39. > :07:44.department. So they are strong on that. A former member of staff was

:07:44. > :07:51.thought to be saying that that money is recoverable or most of it

:07:51. > :07:54.and is there anything wrong with operating an overdraft like that?

:07:54. > :08:00.Clear this up because lots of people watching will think what I

:08:00. > :08:04.thought when I saw this, which is, "hang on a minute, why are the

:08:04. > :08:10.police not involved in this already?" they are. They have

:08:10. > :08:15.looked at this in a couple of department. The property care

:08:15. > :08:19.department, they have charge people in that so we have not gone into

:08:19. > :08:24.allegations in this report because we cannot for obvious reasons.

:08:24. > :08:28.There are two different departments and in this department by private

:08:28. > :08:31.property, where homeowners are involved, there have been no

:08:31. > :08:34.criminal charges. People might have expected them but there has not

:08:34. > :08:40.been the evidence to charge people and their poor people were keen to

:08:40. > :08:46.see what was in the delight reports. -- and therefore people working.

:08:46. > :08:50.Some people have been reinstated, sacked and in this report, yes.

:08:50. > :08:54.That process is still ongoing and homeowners themselves are also

:08:54. > :09:00.poised to take the council to court perhaps when they get the final

:09:00. > :09:05.bill. Thank you. If you have set your mind to thinking of the most

:09:05. > :09:09.famous Scot in the world, he might be worse than settling on Macbeth.

:09:09. > :09:12.Cultures across the globe are aware of the tragic and murderous

:09:12. > :09:16.Scottish king. Even if they know little enough of the play and last

:09:16. > :09:26.of the real historical character. Would it be good if we knew a bit

:09:26. > :09:34.

:09:34. > :09:44.It was one of the great historical finds of recent times. It is our

:09:44. > :09:46.

:09:46. > :09:51.inclusion the individual we found is indeed Richard III.

:09:51. > :09:58.confirmation last week that the twisted body discovered in a

:09:58. > :10:06.shallow grave in Leicester is that of Richard III. Over 400 years ago,

:10:06. > :10:11.he was demonised by Shakespeare as a notorious nephew murdering King.

:10:11. > :10:20.Our horse for my kingdom Next last week's confirmation has launched a

:10:20. > :10:25.raft of theories. People claimed he is maligned and is not the evil

:10:25. > :10:29.caricature or depicted by Shakespeare. With this in mind, one

:10:29. > :10:39.MSP called for a rehabilitation of one of the most famous Scots of all

:10:39. > :10:44.

:10:44. > :10:49.time, Macbeth. Seen here in a modern feature, Shakespeare painted

:10:49. > :10:54.Macbeth as a man spurred on by his wife to kill the king. He has them

:10:54. > :11:00.got to keep killing and his state of mind disintegrates into paranoia.

:11:00. > :11:04.This Conservative MSP is calling for us to think more kindly about

:11:04. > :11:12.Macbeth. By feel Shakespeare has maligned Macbeth. If you look at

:11:13. > :11:17.the history, you will discover his reign was a peaceful one. Scotland

:11:17. > :11:23.enjoyed a degree of prosperity under him. There was a rarity 1,000

:11:23. > :11:27.years ago. Shakespeare's Macbeth has been re-imagined many times. A

:11:27. > :11:32.leading academic has written extensively on what history tells

:11:32. > :11:37.us about the real Macbeth. Shakespeare was extreme impressive

:11:37. > :11:41.in portraying this man who is quite ordinary at the beginning but then

:11:41. > :11:47.turns into retirement. He was somebody who was not big, open to

:11:47. > :11:53.new ideas, did not go into Northumberland raiding to keep his

:11:53. > :11:58.own boys happy. He moved away from that. He was a great warrior and he

:11:58. > :12:05.did kill Duncan. But that was in battle, not in his castle. It is

:12:05. > :12:11.somebody that does not conform in the least to the image given by

:12:12. > :12:17.Shakespeare. Aberdeenshire is where Macbeth died in battle. Apart from

:12:17. > :12:22.a Macbeth pub, there is nothing tourism about it. Should we not be

:12:22. > :12:26.cashing in on this? A visit Scotland says it welcomes anything

:12:26. > :12:31.that promotes Scotland at a local and national level. Does it really

:12:31. > :12:35.matter if he was a murderous her paranoid killer or a calm kind

:12:35. > :12:38.King? Most of us can separate life from art.

:12:38. > :12:41.I am joined now by Dr Paul Innes, who teaches English Literature at

:12:41. > :12:43.Glasgow University and specialises in Shakespeare. And by Dr Simon

:12:43. > :12:51.Taylor, who researches Scottish history and onomastics - that is

:12:51. > :13:01.the study of names - also at Glasgow University.

:13:01. > :13:02.

:13:02. > :13:08.Did he kill anyone? Did he kill Duncan? Not personally, probably.

:13:09. > :13:16.Duncan died in battle and they were fighting. That was not a

:13:16. > :13:23.particularly unusual event. A bunker and was looking. And Macbeth

:13:23. > :13:33.was his noble? -- Duncan was at the King. That is debatable. Macbeth's

:13:33. > :13:33.

:13:33. > :13:41.father and cousin working. The idea of making sure that was passed from

:13:41. > :13:47.father to son did not exist. A he was still rebelling against the

:13:48. > :13:57.chap who was the king? He would not see it as rebellion. What was

:13:58. > :14:01.

:14:01. > :14:11.Duncan and later Macbeth, what with a ruling? Regional warlords. They

:14:11. > :14:15.were ruling making do more which is called a bar. -- ruling a kingdom.

:14:15. > :14:23.They would not have controlled the Highlands and islands. They would

:14:23. > :14:33.have controlled Lothian. It was the core of what became that England

:14:33. > :14:42.

:14:42. > :14:52.are a -- the kingdom of Scotland. Your idea is Shakespeare, it was

:14:52. > :14:52.

:14:52. > :14:58.translated into walls of the Roses type of stuff? Yes. It is not what

:14:58. > :15:03.happened but that is what was written for the English readership.

:15:03. > :15:08.Bear in mind, they were writing towards the end of what people

:15:08. > :15:12.thought was the end of the reign of Queen Elizabeth. There is a

:15:12. > :15:18.possibility you end up with a Scottish came on the throne of

:15:18. > :15:22.England. Why portray Macbeth in such a bad way? If you are about to

:15:22. > :15:30.have a Scot on the throne of England, why I wrote about -- quite

:15:30. > :15:35.right about a villainous Scottish king? It is good box-office. Also,

:15:35. > :15:45.the king who is about to become King of England and Scotland claims

:15:45. > :15:49.descent from Banco, who Macbeth murders. In the play, not in

:15:49. > :15:54.reality. I still do not quite get the idea... I know there was the

:15:54. > :16:04.system of alternating Kings from different families. I do not get

:16:04. > :16:06.

:16:06. > :16:13.the idea, why would Macbeth not think of it as a rebellion? To cut

:16:13. > :16:23.to the chase, Macbeth's main crime was he did not establish a dynasty

:16:23. > :16:23.

:16:23. > :16:27.that flourished. He was ousted from the throne by Duncan's son and

:16:27. > :16:37.Malcolm founded a successful dynasty but stayed on the throne

:16:37. > :16:42.for centuries. They had a vested interest in vilifying the death.

:16:42. > :16:50.But Malcolm would have had as good a claim to the throne as Macbeth?

:16:50. > :16:55.He did. I am sorry to keep going on about this but why it would Macbeth

:16:55. > :17:03.see it as rebellion to be fighting against Duncan? But the idea of

:17:03. > :17:13.kingship was so different then and the birth -- and the death, he was

:17:13. > :17:20.the son of making as well. He was married to a member of Malcolm's

:17:20. > :17:29.royal family. It looks like his wife, who has had was press, --

:17:29. > :17:38.worst press, we have evidence they were giving to the church, they

:17:38. > :17:42.work -- she belonged to the mid-off Kindred. It is not a million miles

:17:42. > :17:52.from Shakespeare. Look at the history. What are they concerned

:17:52. > :17:54.

:17:54. > :17:58.with? What does that mean to be making -- to be a king. There are

:17:58. > :18:04.discontinuities in history. It is not a million miles away. They

:18:04. > :18:14.logic is similar because what you have his cousin fighting over the

:18:14. > :18:15.

:18:15. > :18:20.kingship. It is similar to the walls of the Roses. It is a

:18:20. > :18:26.powerful performance from Shakespeare that an English

:18:26. > :18:33.audience can get a handle on. Shakespeare was picking up on bad

:18:33. > :18:43.press Macbeth was getting that was Macbeth's main failure. Not that

:18:43. > :18:44.

:18:44. > :18:51.found a successful dynasty. Then he got the bad press. Is there any

:18:51. > :18:57.point in the debilitating Macbeth? He does not sound like a stand-up

:18:57. > :19:07.man. -- are rehabilitating. think he is crying out for it.

:19:07. > :19:12.Macbeth appears, he was a Gallic Speaker, his name it means some of

:19:12. > :19:22.life. Historians tend to write his name in the old way. I think we

:19:22. > :19:23.

:19:23. > :19:27.should start calling the King, a competent, very generous, a good

:19:27. > :19:34.monarch, we call him by the Gallic name. And we call the Shakespeare

:19:34. > :19:43.character Macbeth. So we can distinguish between them. A tourist

:19:43. > :19:51.industry, will you have a sign saying saying nothing happened?

:19:51. > :20:00.could bring the Normans in and build castles. The attraction of

:20:00. > :20:07.Macbeth is the evil. People get confused if we are not even calling

:20:07. > :20:14.him by the same name. Shakespeare's of birth is over 500 years since

:20:14. > :20:17.the man it is based on. -- Shakespeare's Macbeth. There is a

:20:17. > :20:27.lot of confusion in Shakespeare's sources and in Shakespeare's

:20:27. > :20:37.portrayal. Could you give me a short answer to onomastics? Why is

:20:37. > :20:40.

:20:40. > :20:50.the geography... Why is the geography so good? Because it comes

:20:50. > :20:53.

:20:53. > :20:59.from Scottish sources. A great historian... Know, that is too long

:20:59. > :21:07.an answer. The programme is about to finish. The sources for the