:00:02. > :00:12.time now, northern Europe is where time now, northern Europe is where
:00:12. > :00:13.
:00:13. > :00:14.Tonight, the man saddled with Tonight, the man saddled with
:00:14. > :00:15.Tonight, the man saddled with managing the horsemeat scandal says
:00:15. > :00:16.managing the horsemeat scandal says managing the horsemeat scandal says
:00:16. > :00:17.managing the horsemeat scandal says it could be a watershed moment on
:00:17. > :00:19.it could be a watershed moment on it could be a watershed moment on
:00:19. > :00:20.it could be a watershed moment on how we think about food. Should it
:00:20. > :00:25.how we think about food. Should it how we think about food. Should it
:00:25. > :00:26.not also include our appetite for not also include our appetite for
:00:26. > :00:33.not also include our appetite for meat? will consumers ever have
:00:33. > :00:34.confidence again? confidence again?
:00:34. > :00:35.confidence again? Good evening. Now, here's an odd
:00:35. > :00:36.Good evening. Now, here's an odd Good evening. Now, here's an odd
:00:36. > :00:37.thing. Amid the scandal of thing. Amid the scandal of
:00:37. > :00:37.horsemeat masquerading as beef, horsemeat masquerading as beef,
:00:37. > :00:38.horsemeat masquerading as beef, there's actually been an increase
:00:38. > :00:39.there's actually been an increase there's actually been an increase
:00:39. > :00:40.in sales of Scotch-labelled meat in sales of Scotch-labelled meat
:00:40. > :00:41.products. An early indication products. An early indication
:00:41. > :00:42.products. An early indication perhaps that we are indeed as
:00:42. > :00:44.perhaps that we are indeed as Agriculture Secretary Richard
:00:44. > :00:44.Agriculture Secretary Richard Lochhead says rethinking our
:00:44. > :00:45.Lochhead says rethinking our Lochhead says rethinking our
:00:45. > :00:46.relationship with food. If so, it relationship with food. If so, it
:00:46. > :00:47.relationship with food. If so, it also seems to indicate that we're
:00:47. > :00:48.also seems to indicate that we're also seems to indicate that we're
:00:48. > :00:51.sticking with meat, though maybe sticking with meat, though maybe
:00:52. > :00:52.sticking with meat, though maybe not the processed stuff. In a
:00:52. > :00:53.not the processed stuff. In a not the processed stuff. In a
:00:53. > :00:54.moment, we'll be discussing that moment, we'll be discussing that
:00:54. > :00:55.moment, we'll be discussing that and how the food industry recovers
:00:55. > :00:56.and how the food industry recovers and how the food industry recovers
:00:56. > :00:57.and how the food industry recovers from this scandal. It won't be easy.
:00:57. > :00:58.from this scandal. It won't be easy. from this scandal. It won't be easy.
:00:58. > :00:59.The Food Standards Agency has just The Food Standards Agency has just
:00:59. > :01:00.announced more tests amid announced more tests amid
:01:00. > :01:01.announced more tests amid suspicions things like stock cubes
:01:01. > :01:01.suspicions things like stock cubes suspicions things like stock cubes
:01:02. > :01:10.and dripping could be affected. and dripping could be affected.
:01:10. > :01:12.Here's something Steven Godden With each passing day, it seems
:01:12. > :01:13.With each passing day, it seems another European country becomes
:01:13. > :01:14.another European country becomes another European country becomes
:01:14. > :01:16.caught up in the horsemeat scandal. caught up in the horsemeat scandal.
:01:16. > :01:20.caught up in the horsemeat scandal. caught up in the horsemeat scandal.
:01:20. > :01:21.Italy and Spain are the latest to Italy and Spain are the latest to
:01:21. > :01:23.Italy and Spain are the latest to be affected. Tests have revealed
:01:23. > :01:23.be affected. Tests have revealed be affected. Tests have revealed
:01:23. > :01:25.be affected. Tests have revealed the presence of four CNH in this
:01:25. > :01:27.the presence of four CNH in this the presence of four CNH in this
:01:27. > :01:28.late meals. The world's biggest late meals. The world's biggest
:01:28. > :01:30.late meals. The world's biggest food producer has now dropped a
:01:30. > :01:31.food producer has now dropped a food producer has now dropped a
:01:31. > :01:32.German supplier. As the scandal German supplier. As the scandal
:01:32. > :01:34.German supplier. As the scandal rumbles on, the message to the
:01:34. > :01:36.rumbles on, the message to the rumbles on, the message to the
:01:36. > :01:37.Scottish Parliament is set so far Scottish Parliament is set so far
:01:37. > :01:39.Scottish Parliament is set so far Scotland has escaped the worst.
:01:39. > :01:40.Scotland has escaped the worst. Scotland has escaped the worst.
:01:40. > :01:41.is important to note that in is important to note that in
:01:41. > :01:44.is important to note that in Scotland there is no slaughtering
:01:44. > :01:45.Scotland there is no slaughtering Scotland there is no slaughtering
:01:45. > :01:46.of horses for human consumption and of horses for human consumption and
:01:46. > :01:47.of horses for human consumption and of horses for human consumption and
:01:47. > :01:49.no money factor of them has been no money factor of them has been
:01:49. > :01:53.no money factor of them has been implicated in the scandal. All of
:01:53. > :01:54.implicated in the scandal. All of implicated in the scandal. All of
:01:54. > :01:55.the evidence points... We do not the evidence points... We do not
:01:56. > :01:58.the evidence points... We do not have the complex sometimes murky
:01:58. > :02:02.have the complex sometimes murky have the complex sometimes murky
:02:02. > :02:03.web of supply chains stretching web of supply chains stretching
:02:03. > :02:04.web of supply chains stretching across Europe. Questioned about the
:02:05. > :02:06.across Europe. Questioned about the across Europe. Questioned about the
:02:06. > :02:07.number of food inspectors being number of food inspectors being
:02:07. > :02:08.number of food inspectors being halved since 2008, the Cabinet
:02:09. > :02:09.halved since 2008, the Cabinet halved since 2008, the Cabinet
:02:09. > :02:14.Secretary said the drop had been Secretary said the drop had been
:02:15. > :02:16.Secretary said the drop had been caused by changes to the regulation.
:02:16. > :02:17.caused by changes to the regulation. caused by changes to the regulation.
:02:17. > :02:18.On the topic of forcemeat being On the topic of forcemeat being
:02:19. > :02:20.On the topic of forcemeat being served in schools and hospitals,
:02:20. > :02:20.served in schools and hospitals, served in schools and hospitals,
:02:20. > :02:23.served in schools and hospitals, tests have been done and show no
:02:23. > :02:24.tests have been done and show no tests have been done and show no
:02:24. > :02:28.tests have been done and show no signs of that happening. It was a
:02:28. > :02:30.signs of that happening. It was a signs of that happening. It was a
:02:30. > :02:32.pretty upbeat summary. The scandal pretty upbeat summary. The scandal
:02:32. > :02:33.pretty upbeat summary. The scandal has undermined consumer trust. But
:02:33. > :02:34.has undermined consumer trust. But has undermined consumer trust. But
:02:34. > :02:35.has undermined consumer trust. But it may be a watershed moment in how
:02:35. > :02:36.it may be a watershed moment in how it may be a watershed moment in how
:02:36. > :02:37.people think about food and that people think about food and that
:02:37. > :02:38.people think about food and that people think about food and that
:02:38. > :02:39.could end up being a good thing. could end up being a good thing.
:02:39. > :02:40.could end up being a good thing. could end up being a good thing.
:02:40. > :02:41.There is a need for every step of There is a need for every step of
:02:41. > :02:42.There is a need for every step of the food chain to take
:02:42. > :02:43.the food chain to take the food chain to take
:02:43. > :02:44.responsibility for the food it responsibility for the food it
:02:44. > :02:46.responsibility for the food it produces and to ensure consumers
:02:46. > :02:47.produces and to ensure consumers produces and to ensure consumers
:02:47. > :02:48.can have total confidence that what can have total confidence that what
:02:48. > :02:50.can have total confidence that what can have total confidence that what
:02:50. > :02:54.can have total confidence that what they buy it is what it says on the
:02:54. > :02:55.they buy it is what it says on the they buy it is what it says on the
:02:55. > :02:56.label. And yet as Labour pointed label. And yet as Labour pointed
:02:56. > :02:57.label. And yet as Labour pointed label. And yet as Labour pointed
:02:57. > :02:58.out Scots are just as likely to out Scots are just as likely to
:02:58. > :02:59.out Scots are just as likely to have eaten contaminated meat as
:02:59. > :03:01.have eaten contaminated meat as have eaten contaminated meat as
:03:01. > :03:02.have eaten contaminated meat as anyone else in the UK, a situation
:03:02. > :03:08.anyone else in the UK, a situation anyone else in the UK, a situation
:03:08. > :03:09.that has implications for consumers, that has implications for consumers,
:03:09. > :03:10.that has implications for consumers, retailers and retailers. In June,
:03:10. > :03:11.retailers and retailers. In June, retailers and retailers. In June,
:03:11. > :03:14.retailers and retailers. In June, the pens for the find of the
:03:14. > :03:14.the pens for the find of the the pens for the find of the
:03:14. > :03:15.nation's finest livestock for the nation's finest livestock for the
:03:15. > :03:16.nation's finest livestock for the Royal Highland Show. As far as
:03:16. > :03:19.Royal Highland Show. As far as Royal Highland Show. As far as
:03:19. > :03:20.Scotland is concerned, this could Scotland is concerned, this could
:03:20. > :03:21.Scotland is concerned, this could be considered the epicentre of
:03:21. > :03:22.be considered the epicentre of be considered the epicentre of
:03:22. > :03:23.concern and interest about the concern and interest about the
:03:23. > :03:26.concern and interest about the horse meets Gandalf as those who
:03:26. > :03:29.horse meets Gandalf as those who base themselves here year-round
:03:29. > :03:31.base themselves here year-round consider his long-term implications
:03:31. > :03:32.consider his long-term implications consider his long-term implications
:03:32. > :03:34.-- forcemeat scandal. This man's -- forcemeat scandal. This man's
:03:34. > :03:36.-- forcemeat scandal. This man's job is to build the industry's
:03:36. > :03:37.job is to build the industry's reputation. He believes consumer
:03:37. > :03:38.reputation. He believes consumer reputation. He believes consumer
:03:38. > :03:40.confidence has been shaken but not confidence has been shaken but not
:03:40. > :03:42.confidence has been shaken but not confidence has been shaken but not
:03:42. > :03:43.to the same degree as the BSE to the same degree as the BSE
:03:43. > :03:44.to the same degree as the BSE scandal that centred on food safety.
:03:44. > :03:45.scandal that centred on food safety. scandal that centred on food safety.
:03:45. > :03:48.scandal that centred on food safety. He does think it could prompt a
:03:48. > :03:49.He does think it could prompt a He does think it could prompt a
:03:49. > :03:50.rethink however. We have a culture rethink however. We have a culture
:03:50. > :03:52.rethink however. We have a culture rethink however. We have a culture
:03:52. > :03:53.of cheap food despite the fact food of cheap food despite the fact food
:03:53. > :03:55.of cheap food despite the fact food products are more expensive to
:03:55. > :03:57.products are more expensive to products are more expensive to
:03:57. > :03:58.products are more expensive to produce we have had a driving up of
:03:58. > :03:59.produce we have had a driving up of produce we have had a driving up of
:03:59. > :04:00.costs. Food chains have got longer costs. Food chains have got longer
:04:00. > :04:01.costs. Food chains have got longer costs. Food chains have got longer
:04:01. > :04:02.and we have got to the point where and we have got to the point where
:04:02. > :04:04.and we have got to the point where an average ready meal might go
:04:04. > :04:05.an average ready meal might go through several different countries
:04:05. > :04:06.through several different countries through several different countries
:04:06. > :04:07.through several different countries before it ends up on the shelf. We
:04:07. > :04:08.before it ends up on the shelf. We before it ends up on the shelf. We
:04:08. > :04:09.before it ends up on the shelf. We have to change our food culture to
:04:09. > :04:10.have to change our food culture to have to change our food culture to
:04:10. > :04:10.have to change our food culture to have to change our food culture to
:04:11. > :04:12.make sure we do not end up with the make sure we do not end up with the
:04:12. > :04:13.make sure we do not end up with the kind of scandal we have had
:04:13. > :04:15.kind of scandal we have had kind of scandal we have had
:04:15. > :04:16.recently. The industry has been recently. The industry has been
:04:16. > :04:18.recently. The industry has been recently. The industry has been
:04:18. > :04:19.quick to report the rise in sales quick to report the rise in sales
:04:19. > :04:22.quick to report the rise in sales of local butchers as a direct
:04:22. > :04:23.of local butchers as a direct of local butchers as a direct
:04:23. > :04:25.consequence of the scandal. 900,000 consequence of the scandal. 900,000
:04:25. > :04:27.households have stopped buying households have stopped buying
:04:27. > :04:28.households have stopped buying frozen burgers. The flipside is one
:04:28. > :04:29.frozen burgers. The flipside is one frozen burgers. The flipside is one
:04:30. > :04:31.for 6 million households have been for 6 million households have been
:04:31. > :04:33.for 6 million households have been buying them. What about the huge
:04:33. > :04:34.buying them. What about the huge buying them. What about the huge
:04:34. > :04:35.number of people for whom price number of people for whom price
:04:35. > :04:37.number of people for whom price determines what ends up in the
:04:37. > :04:39.determines what ends up in the determines what ends up in the
:04:39. > :04:40.shopping basket? You can get good shopping basket? You can get good
:04:40. > :04:41.shopping basket? You can get good quality processed foods using local
:04:41. > :04:42.quality processed foods using local quality processed foods using local
:04:42. > :04:44.quality processed foods using local ingredients and it does not have to
:04:44. > :04:45.ingredients and it does not have to ingredients and it does not have to
:04:45. > :04:47.ingredients and it does not have to cost the earth. If a consumer is
:04:47. > :04:48.cost the earth. If a consumer is cost the earth. If a consumer is
:04:48. > :04:49.cost the earth. If a consumer is going to buy 12 hamburgers for one
:04:49. > :04:49.going to buy 12 hamburgers for one going to buy 12 hamburgers for one
:04:50. > :04:51.going to buy 12 hamburgers for one have 50, they have got to be
:04:51. > :04:53.have 50, they have got to be have 50, they have got to be
:04:53. > :04:55.realistic about the quality of realistic about the quality of
:04:55. > :04:56.realistic about the quality of ingredients -- 12 hamburgers for
:04:56. > :04:57.ingredients -- 12 hamburgers for ingredients -- 12 hamburgers for
:04:57. > :04:58.ingredients -- 12 hamburgers for �1.50. If we are going to play a
:04:58. > :04:59.�1.50. If we are going to play a �1.50. If we are going to play a
:04:59. > :05:00.�1.50. If we are going to play a low price, we have to accept you
:05:00. > :05:03.low price, we have to accept you low price, we have to accept you
:05:03. > :05:05.will not get the best ingredients. will not get the best ingredients.
:05:05. > :05:07.will not get the best ingredients. Not so long ago, the traditional
:05:07. > :05:09.Not so long ago, the traditional Not so long ago, the traditional
:05:09. > :05:12.Sunday roast was considered a rare Sunday roast was considered a rare
:05:12. > :05:13.luxury. Expectations are now luxury. Expectations are now
:05:13. > :05:13.altogether different but the altogether different but the
:05:13. > :05:15.altogether different but the scandal has placed the relationship
:05:15. > :05:17.scandal has placed the relationship scandal has placed the relationship
:05:17. > :05:18.scandal has placed the relationship with meat that many of us took for
:05:18. > :05:24.with meat that many of us took for with meat that many of us took for
:05:24. > :05:25.granted firmly under the microscope. granted firmly under the microscope.
:05:25. > :05:26.granted firmly under the microscope. Well, I'm joined now from Edinburgh
:05:26. > :05:27.Well, I'm joined now from Edinburgh Well, I'm joined now from Edinburgh
:05:27. > :05:28.by Mike Small, who helped develop by Mike Small, who helped develop
:05:28. > :05:29.by Mike Small, who helped develop the Fife Diet, an eating experiment
:05:29. > :05:30.the Fife Diet, an eating experiment encouraging local production and
:05:30. > :05:31.encouraging local production and encouraging local production and
:05:31. > :05:32.consumption. Also in Edinburgh is consumption. Also in Edinburgh is
:05:32. > :05:33.consumption. Also in Edinburgh is Martin Raymond of Cloudline PR who
:05:33. > :05:34.Martin Raymond of Cloudline PR who Martin Raymond of Cloudline PR who
:05:34. > :05:35.was formerly head of public affairs was formerly head of public affairs
:05:35. > :05:36.was formerly head of public affairs at the Health Education Board for
:05:36. > :05:37.at the Health Education Board for at the Health Education Board for
:05:37. > :05:38.Scotland. And in Aberdeen is David Scotland. And in Aberdeen is David
:05:38. > :05:38.Scotland. And in Aberdeen is David Scotland. And in Aberdeen is David
:05:38. > :05:44.Lamb, head of food and drink at Lamb, head of food and drink at
:05:44. > :05:44.Scotland's Agricultural College. Scotland's Agricultural College.
:05:44. > :05:45.Scotland's Agricultural College. Scotland's Agricultural College.
:05:45. > :05:47.David, what do you think is going David, what do you think is going
:05:47. > :05:48.David, what do you think is going David, what do you think is going
:05:48. > :05:50.on? At one level, clearly this is on? At one level, clearly this is
:05:50. > :05:51.corruption, people have been corruption, people have been
:05:51. > :05:55.corruption, people have been corruption, people have been
:05:55. > :05:57.breaking the law. But it seems of breaking the law. But it seems of
:05:57. > :05:59.breaking the law. But it seems of such a scale... There must have
:05:59. > :06:00.such a scale... There must have such a scale... There must have
:06:00. > :06:01.such a scale... There must have been a context in which no one had
:06:01. > :06:04.been a context in which no one had been a context in which no one had
:06:04. > :06:06.an interest in asking any difficult an interest in asking any difficult
:06:06. > :06:08.an interest in asking any difficult questions. I think it is about
:06:08. > :06:11.questions. I think it is about asking questions, consumers and
:06:11. > :06:12.asking questions, consumers and asking questions, consumers and
:06:12. > :06:14.retailers are. Maybe there is a retailers are. Maybe there is a
:06:14. > :06:15.retailers are. Maybe there is a retailers are. Maybe there is a
:06:15. > :06:16.lack of scrutiny put into what is lack of scrutiny put into what is
:06:16. > :06:18.lack of scrutiny put into what is lack of scrutiny put into what is
:06:18. > :06:19.going into our food in some areas going into our food in some areas
:06:19. > :06:21.going into our food in some areas and sectors. A lot of pressure
:06:21. > :06:22.and sectors. A lot of pressure particularly on price and
:06:23. > :06:24.particularly on price and particularly on price and
:06:24. > :06:27.convenience. It is a choice whether convenience. It is a choice whether
:06:28. > :06:29.convenience. It is a choice whether you want choice and convenience and
:06:29. > :06:29.you want choice and convenience and you want choice and convenience and
:06:29. > :06:31.price or whether you want the price or whether you want the
:06:31. > :06:32.price or whether you want the assurance of way your food comes
:06:32. > :06:33.assurance of way your food comes assurance of way your food comes
:06:33. > :06:35.assurance of way your food comes from. Why do you think it has not
:06:35. > :06:37.from. Why do you think it has not from. Why do you think it has not
:06:37. > :06:37.from. Why do you think it has not been there? A month ago if you had
:06:37. > :06:38.been there? A month ago if you had been there? A month ago if you had
:06:38. > :06:43.suggested to someone the burger suggested to someone the burger
:06:43. > :06:45.suggested to someone the burger they were buying in a supermarket...
:06:45. > :06:46.they were buying in a supermarket... they were buying in a supermarket...
:06:46. > :06:47.Its authenticity of beef would not Its authenticity of beef would not
:06:47. > :06:48.Its authenticity of beef would not Its authenticity of beef would not
:06:48. > :06:49.have been tested since it left a have been tested since it left a
:06:50. > :06:51.have been tested since it left a meat plant in Romania. Everything
:06:51. > :06:52.meat plant in Romania. Everything meat plant in Romania. Everything
:06:52. > :06:53.meat plant in Romania. Everything had been taken on trust. I think
:06:54. > :06:55.had been taken on trust. I think had been taken on trust. I think
:06:55. > :06:56.they would probably not have they would probably not have
:06:56. > :06:57.they would probably not have believed you. That is right. The
:06:57. > :06:59.believed you. That is right. The believed you. That is right. The
:06:59. > :07:00.believed you. That is right. The point is that it was taken on trust
:07:00. > :07:02.point is that it was taken on trust point is that it was taken on trust
:07:02. > :07:03.and some people have abused that and some people have abused that
:07:03. > :07:06.and some people have abused that trust. Not the majority of
:07:06. > :07:07.trust. Not the majority of processors and abattoirs and
:07:07. > :07:09.processors and abattoirs and processors and abattoirs and
:07:09. > :07:10.certainly not through the assurance certainly not through the assurance
:07:10. > :07:11.certainly not through the assurance systems, but people will buy pass
:07:11. > :07:12.systems, but people will buy pass systems, but people will buy pass
:07:12. > :07:13.systems, but people will buy pass it to get a cheaper product. I am
:07:13. > :07:15.it to get a cheaper product. I am it to get a cheaper product. I am
:07:15. > :07:17.certain it has happened before. certain it has happened before.
:07:17. > :07:18.certain it has happened before. Maybe not with horsemeat but
:07:18. > :07:23.Maybe not with horsemeat but bypassing people's Trust and
:07:23. > :07:24.bypassing people's Trust and bypassing people's Trust and
:07:24. > :07:25.getting the cheaper option. Mike, getting the cheaper option. Mike,
:07:25. > :07:27.getting the cheaper option. Mike, getting the cheaper option. Mike,
:07:27. > :07:28.it is an issue of trust. You hope it is an issue of trust. You hope
:07:28. > :07:31.it is an issue of trust. You hope it is an issue of trust. You hope
:07:31. > :07:32.we do not start trusting the big we do not start trusting the big
:07:32. > :07:32.we do not start trusting the big retailers again. The very last
:07:33. > :07:34.retailers again. The very last retailers again. The very last
:07:34. > :07:36.retailers again. The very last thing we need to do is re-establish
:07:36. > :07:37.thing we need to do is re-establish thing we need to do is re-establish
:07:37. > :07:39.trust in the food system. People trust in the food system. People
:07:39. > :07:40.trust in the food system. People are getting a unique insight into
:07:40. > :07:41.are getting a unique insight into are getting a unique insight into
:07:41. > :07:42.are getting a unique insight into what is going on. It is important
:07:42. > :07:43.what is going on. It is important what is going on. It is important
:07:43. > :07:44.what is going on. It is important to realise this is not the food
:07:44. > :07:45.to realise this is not the food to realise this is not the food
:07:45. > :07:46.to realise this is not the food system in crisis, it is a food
:07:47. > :07:47.system in crisis, it is a food system in crisis, it is a food
:07:47. > :07:48.system reveals. This is essentially system reveals. This is essentially
:07:48. > :07:50.system reveals. This is essentially what happens if you give over
:07:50. > :07:52.what happens if you give over what happens if you give over
:07:52. > :07:53.entire control of your food culture entire control of your food culture
:07:53. > :07:55.entire control of your food culture to three or four very large
:07:55. > :07:58.to three or four very large corporations. What are you
:07:58. > :07:58.corporations. What are you corporations. What are you
:07:58. > :08:00.suggesting? There has been a suggesting? There has been a
:08:00. > :08:02.suggesting? There has been a breakdown of regulation, as David
:08:02. > :08:04.breakdown of regulation, as David breakdown of regulation, as David
:08:04. > :08:06.seems to be saying or something seems to be saying or something
:08:06. > :08:07.more profound? Certainly a more profound? Certainly a
:08:07. > :08:10.more profound? Certainly a breakdown in regulation. We have
:08:10. > :08:12.breakdown in regulation. We have breakdown in regulation. We have
:08:12. > :08:13.breakdown in regulation. We have seen this is the light touch that
:08:13. > :08:15.seen this is the light touch that seen this is the light touch that
:08:15. > :08:17.brought you Leveson and the banking brought you Leveson and the banking
:08:17. > :08:19.brought you Leveson and the banking crisis and is now feeding people
:08:19. > :08:20.crisis and is now feeding people crisis and is now feeding people
:08:20. > :08:22.crisis and is now feeding people horses. This is 30 years of let us
:08:22. > :08:24.horses. This is 30 years of let us horses. This is 30 years of let us
:08:24. > :08:25.horses. This is 30 years of let us slash red tape. But it is a
:08:25. > :08:27.slash red tape. But it is a wholesale corporate capture that
:08:27. > :08:37.wholesale corporate capture that wholesale corporate capture that
:08:37. > :08:46.
:08:46. > :08:47.This is the same language we heard This is the same language we heard
:08:47. > :08:49.This is the same language we heard This is the same language we heard
:08:49. > :08:51.in the BSE crisis in the 1990s. It in the BSE crisis in the 1990s. It
:08:51. > :08:52.in the BSE crisis in the 1990s. It in the BSE crisis in the 1990s. It
:08:52. > :08:53.seems to be a systemic problem with seems to be a systemic problem with
:08:53. > :08:54.the relationships between the relationships between
:08:55. > :08:56.the relationships between government and the food industry.
:08:56. > :08:57.government and the food industry. government and the food industry.
:08:57. > :08:58.government and the food industry. think we have got to be careful
:08:58. > :09:01.think we have got to be careful think we have got to be careful
:09:01. > :09:04.about where this culture is. The about where this culture is. The
:09:04. > :09:05.about where this culture is. The about where this culture is. The
:09:05. > :09:06.reaction to the BSE crisis made us reaction to the BSE crisis made us
:09:06. > :09:07.reaction to the BSE crisis made us re-evaluate where our food comes
:09:07. > :09:08.re-evaluate where our food comes re-evaluate where our food comes
:09:08. > :09:10.re-evaluate where our food comes from and what systems we put in
:09:10. > :09:11.from and what systems we put in from and what systems we put in
:09:11. > :09:12.from and what systems we put in place. It must be said that in
:09:12. > :09:13.place. It must be said that in place. It must be said that in
:09:13. > :09:16.Scotland, in the majority of cases, Scotland, in the majority of cases,
:09:16. > :09:18.Scotland, in the majority of cases, we are very careful about the
:09:18. > :09:19.we are very careful about the we are very careful about the
:09:19. > :09:20.assurance system and the messages assurance system and the messages
:09:20. > :09:22.assurance system and the messages passed to the consumer and where
:09:22. > :09:24.passed to the consumer and where passed to the consumer and where
:09:24. > :09:25.meat comes from. Our traceability is good.
:09:25. > :09:28.is good. is good.
:09:28. > :09:29.But that is talking about Scottish But that is talking about Scottish
:09:29. > :09:30.But that is talking about Scottish producers. That makes no difference
:09:30. > :09:32.producers. That makes no difference producers. That makes no difference
:09:32. > :09:34.to the average Scottish Consumer. to the average Scottish Consumer.
:09:34. > :09:36.to the average Scottish Consumer. Burgers they Pickup are just as
:09:36. > :09:38.Burgers they Pickup are just as Burgers they Pickup are just as
:09:38. > :09:39.liable to contain horsemeat as in liable to contain horsemeat as in
:09:39. > :09:41.liable to contain horsemeat as in England. There is a point made
:09:41. > :09:44.England. There is a point made England. There is a point made
:09:44. > :09:45.there, about where people are there, about where people are
:09:45. > :09:47.there, about where people are looking. People looked during the
:09:47. > :09:48.looking. People looked during the looking. People looked during the
:09:48. > :09:49.BSE crisis. We have seen the BSE crisis. We have seen the
:09:49. > :09:50.BSE crisis. We have seen the evidence that people are looking
:09:50. > :09:52.evidence that people are looking evidence that people are looking
:09:52. > :09:55.evidence that people are looking again to see where it comes from.
:09:55. > :09:56.again to see where it comes from. again to see where it comes from.
:09:56. > :09:58.Looking to see where the supply Looking to see where the supply
:09:58. > :09:59.chain is shorter. chain is shorter.
:09:59. > :10:00.chain is shorter. chain is shorter.
:10:00. > :10:03.What do you do if you are the What do you do if you are the
:10:04. > :10:07.What do you do if you are the supermarkets or your company is in
:10:07. > :10:08.supermarkets or your company is in supermarkets or your company is in
:10:08. > :10:11.the situation now? You do the situation now? You do
:10:12. > :10:13.the situation now? You do essentially what they have done.
:10:13. > :10:14.essentially what they have done. essentially what they have done.
:10:14. > :10:15.essentially what they have done. Most of the big companies have done
:10:15. > :10:17.Most of the big companies have done Most of the big companies have done
:10:17. > :10:18.Most of the big companies have done the right thing. There has been a
:10:18. > :10:22.the right thing. There has been a the right thing. There has been a
:10:22. > :10:23.rush to confess their sins. There rush to confess their sins. There
:10:23. > :10:24.rush to confess their sins. There have been a fall apologies,
:10:24. > :10:27.have been a fall apologies, have been a fall apologies,
:10:27. > :10:28.newspaper articles and adverts to newspaper articles and adverts to
:10:28. > :10:30.newspaper articles and adverts to apologise. In straight PR terms,
:10:30. > :10:31.apologise. In straight PR terms, apologise. In straight PR terms,
:10:31. > :10:33.they have been quite clever because they have been quite clever because
:10:33. > :10:35.they have been quite clever because a lot of retailers, particularly
:10:35. > :10:36.a lot of retailers, particularly a lot of retailers, particularly
:10:36. > :10:37.the big ones, have tried to the big ones, have tried to
:10:37. > :10:39.the big ones, have tried to position themselves as the same
:10:39. > :10:41.position themselves as the same position themselves as the same
:10:42. > :10:43.sort of victims as consumers. Which sort of victims as consumers. Which
:10:43. > :10:45.sort of victims as consumers. Which is not entirely honest and
:10:45. > :10:45.straightforward. straightforward.
:10:45. > :10:48.straightforward. straightforward.
:10:48. > :10:49.I think a lot of people would say, I think a lot of people would say,
:10:49. > :10:50.I think a lot of people would say, I think a lot of people would say,
:10:50. > :10:51.or I sort of assumed it that or I sort of assumed it that
:10:51. > :10:53.or I sort of assumed it that Tesco's checked what is in their
:10:53. > :10:54.Tesco's checked what is in their Tesco's checked what is in their
:10:54. > :10:56.burgers. They are the people who burgers. They are the people who
:10:56. > :10:57.burgers. They are the people who have the connection with the
:10:57. > :10:59.have the connection with the have the connection with the
:10:59. > :11:00.consumer so ultimately they are consumer so ultimately they are
:11:00. > :11:03.consumer so ultimately they are responsible. What you will see from
:11:03. > :11:04.responsible. What you will see from responsible. What you will see from
:11:04. > :11:06.responsible. What you will see from now on, if done properly, it is
:11:06. > :11:08.now on, if done properly, it is now on, if done properly, it is
:11:08. > :11:09.retailers, suppliers and big brands retailers, suppliers and big brands
:11:09. > :11:11.retailers, suppliers and big brands putting huge assurances in place
:11:11. > :11:12.putting huge assurances in place putting huge assurances in place
:11:12. > :11:13.probably at the cost of the probably at the cost of the
:11:13. > :11:15.probably at the cost of the suppliers rather than their own
:11:15. > :11:16.suppliers rather than their own suppliers rather than their own
:11:16. > :11:17.costs. Huge insurance is in place costs. Huge insurance is in place
:11:17. > :11:18.costs. Huge insurance is in place costs. Huge insurance is in place
:11:18. > :11:21.and make much of the fact that they and make much of the fact that they
:11:21. > :11:22.and make much of the fact that they and make much of the fact that they
:11:22. > :11:24.have done that. I think most brands have done that. I think most brands
:11:24. > :11:26.have done that. I think most brands will survive quite well. They had
:11:26. > :11:27.will survive quite well. They had will survive quite well. They had
:11:27. > :11:28.been through crisis before. The been through crisis before. The
:11:28. > :11:30.been through crisis before. The been through crisis before. The
:11:30. > :11:31.kind of issue, and I have been on kind of issue, and I have been on
:11:31. > :11:32.kind of issue, and I have been on kind of issue, and I have been on
:11:32. > :11:34.both sides of this offence as a both sides of this offence as a
:11:34. > :11:35.both sides of this offence as a marketing person, is that you have
:11:36. > :11:36.marketing person, is that you have marketing person, is that you have
:11:36. > :11:38.to understand why these big three to understand why these big three
:11:38. > :11:41.to understand why these big three brands have survived for so long.
:11:41. > :11:42.brands have survived for so long. brands have survived for so long.
:11:42. > :11:43.brands have survived for so long. They survive Allsop -- all kinds of
:11:43. > :11:46.They survive Allsop -- all kinds of They survive Allsop -- all kinds of
:11:46. > :11:47.crisis. If you look at companies crisis. If you look at companies
:11:47. > :11:48.crisis. If you look at companies crisis. If you look at companies
:11:48. > :11:53.like Leslie, have any crisis is how like Leslie, have any crisis is how
:11:53. > :11:54.like Leslie, have any crisis is how like Leslie, have any crisis is how
:11:54. > :11:57.they dealt with? One of the reasons they dealt with? One of the reasons
:11:57. > :11:58.they dealt with? One of the reasons they have survived his they have
:11:58. > :11:59.they have survived his they have they have survived his they have
:11:59. > :12:00.they have survived his they have the FIS a as a mouthpiece for
:12:00. > :12:01.the FIS a as a mouthpiece for the FIS a as a mouthpiece for
:12:01. > :12:04.the FIS a as a mouthpiece for industry. There needs to be a more
:12:04. > :12:07.industry. There needs to be a more industry. There needs to be a more
:12:07. > :12:08.critical food culture here for. critical food culture here for.
:12:08. > :12:10.critical food culture here for. critical food culture here for.
:12:10. > :12:11.This is system failure. It is not This is system failure. It is not
:12:11. > :12:14.This is system failure. It is not one brand, one company or one
:12:14. > :12:18.one brand, one company or one one brand, one company or one
:12:18. > :12:19.country. What would you suggest as country. What would you suggest as
:12:19. > :12:20.country. What would you suggest as an alternative? You have been
:12:20. > :12:21.an alternative? You have been an alternative? You have been
:12:21. > :12:22.an alternative? You have been involved in the Fife Diet, and that
:12:22. > :12:23.involved in the Fife Diet, and that involved in the Fife Diet, and that
:12:23. > :12:25.involved in the Fife Diet, and that is fine. But that will really only
:12:25. > :12:27.is fine. But that will really only is fine. But that will really only
:12:27. > :12:29.is fine. But that will really only ever be at the margins. Most people
:12:29. > :12:30.ever be at the margins. Most people ever be at the margins. Most people
:12:30. > :12:31.will shop at supermarkets so unless will shop at supermarkets so unless
:12:31. > :12:34.will shop at supermarkets so unless the regulation issue is addressed,
:12:34. > :12:35.the regulation issue is addressed, the regulation issue is addressed,
:12:35. > :12:36.everything else it might help which everything else it might help which
:12:36. > :12:37.everything else it might help which -- it might promote small producers,
:12:37. > :12:40.-- it might promote small producers, -- it might promote small producers,
:12:40. > :12:43.-- it might promote small producers, but it is not relevant. What is not
:12:43. > :12:45.but it is not relevant. What is not relevant? Talking about going
:12:45. > :12:46.relevant? Talking about going relevant? Talking about going
:12:46. > :12:48.small-scale and heated local. small-scale and heated local.
:12:48. > :12:50.small-scale and heated local. you have allowed supermarkets to
:12:50. > :12:51.you have allowed supermarkets to you have allowed supermarkets to
:12:51. > :12:53.have 97% of retell control, though have 97% of retell control, though
:12:53. > :12:57.have 97% of retell control, though that is a society wide decision
:12:57. > :12:58.that is a society wide decision that is a society wide decision
:12:58. > :12:59.that that government has allowed that that government has allowed
:12:59. > :13:02.that that government has allowed the corporations to do.
:13:02. > :13:04.the corporations to do. the corporations to do.
:13:04. > :13:04.consumers like it. Well, they might consumers like it. Well, they might
:13:04. > :13:05.consumers like it. Well, they might consumers like it. Well, they might
:13:05. > :13:07.not like a horse and donkey in not like a horse and donkey in
:13:07. > :13:10.not like a horse and donkey in not like a horse and donkey in
:13:10. > :13:11.their food. So it might be shifting their food. So it might be shifting
:13:11. > :13:14.their food. So it might be shifting their food. So it might be shifting
:13:14. > :13:16.tides. What I use suggesting as an tides. What I use suggesting as an
:13:16. > :13:17.tides. What I use suggesting as an alternative? You can't have Tesco
:13:17. > :13:18.alternative? You can't have Tesco having their responsibility for
:13:18. > :13:21.having their responsibility for having their responsibility for
:13:21. > :13:22.this crisis. That is not credible. this crisis. That is not credible.
:13:22. > :13:23.this crisis. That is not credible. They had a statement shortly after
:13:23. > :13:24.They had a statement shortly after They had a statement shortly after
:13:24. > :13:26.They had a statement shortly after say we will look into this ad tell
:13:26. > :13:27.say we will look into this ad tell say we will look into this ad tell
:13:27. > :13:29.you what happened. Why don't we you what happened. Why don't we
:13:29. > :13:33.you what happened. Why don't we you what happened. Why don't we
:13:33. > :13:37.look into this and tell them what look into this and tell them what
:13:37. > :13:39.look into this and tell them what happened. This is all back-to-front.
:13:39. > :13:41.happened. This is all back-to-front. happened. This is all back-to-front.
:13:41. > :13:43.Bodies like Tesco who are Bodies like Tesco who are
:13:43. > :13:45.Bodies like Tesco who are apparently not responsible, this is
:13:45. > :13:47.extraordinary. Something extraordinary. Something
:13:47. > :13:48.extraordinary. Something extraordinary. Something
:13:49. > :13:50.fundamental, do we know what is in fundamental, do we know what is in
:13:50. > :13:52.fundamental, do we know what is in fundamental, do we know what is in
:13:52. > :13:53.our food, and so, though. And we our food, and so, though. And we
:13:53. > :13:55.our food, and so, though. And we our food, and so, though. And we
:13:55. > :13:59.are five or six weeks into this. are five or six weeks into this.
:13:59. > :14:03.are five or six weeks into this. David Lambert, what about, don't
:14:03. > :14:05.David Lambert, what about, don't David Lambert, what about, don't
:14:05. > :14:06.eat meat? I think there are eat meat? I think there are
:14:07. > :14:08.eat meat? I think there are different levels of responses. Mike
:14:08. > :14:11.different levels of responses. Mike different levels of responses. Mike
:14:11. > :14:12.is talking about local levels. is talking about local levels.
:14:12. > :14:14.is talking about local levels. There are also responses like going
:14:14. > :14:15.There are also responses like going There are also responses like going
:14:15. > :14:18.There are also responses like going to a supermarket and looking for a
:14:18. > :14:19.to a supermarket and looking for a to a supermarket and looking for a
:14:19. > :14:22.quality assured system. They are quality assured system. They are
:14:22. > :14:23.quality assured system. They are called that for a reason. Isn't
:14:23. > :14:25.called that for a reason. Isn't called that for a reason. Isn't
:14:25. > :14:26.there a fundamental problem here? I there a fundamental problem here? I
:14:26. > :14:28.there a fundamental problem here? I was looking at statistics that said
:14:28. > :14:29.was looking at statistics that said was looking at statistics that said
:14:29. > :14:31.was looking at statistics that said over the last 30 to 40 years, we
:14:31. > :14:33.over the last 30 to 40 years, we over the last 30 to 40 years, we
:14:33. > :14:34.have cut by half purchases of have cut by half purchases of
:14:34. > :14:35.butcher's meat, but convenience butcher's meat, but convenience
:14:35. > :14:37.butcher's meat, but convenience butcher's meat, but convenience
:14:37. > :14:39.meat and Food has gone up by more meat and Food has gone up by more
:14:39. > :14:40.meat and Food has gone up by more than sixfold. It is these things
:14:40. > :14:41.than sixfold. It is these things than sixfold. It is these things
:14:41. > :14:44.than sixfold. It is these things where you put in the cheapest cuts
:14:44. > :14:45.where you put in the cheapest cuts where you put in the cheapest cuts
:14:45. > :14:46.where you put in the cheapest cuts of meat, it is a change in society
:14:47. > :14:49.of meat, it is a change in society of meat, it is a change in society
:14:49. > :14:49.of meat, it is a change in society leading to this. That is right. It
:14:49. > :14:51.leading to this. That is right. It leading to this. That is right. It
:14:52. > :14:54.leading to this. That is right. It has to be a cultural change. We
:14:54. > :14:55.has to be a cultural change. We has to be a cultural change. We
:14:55. > :14:57.have moved marginally away from have moved marginally away from
:14:57. > :14:59.have moved marginally away from high end the convenience food back
:14:59. > :15:00.high end the convenience food back high end the convenience food back
:15:00. > :15:01.to cooking and cooking culture and to cooking and cooking culture and
:15:01. > :15:03.to cooking and cooking culture and demanding a bit more, but the
:15:03. > :15:04.demanding a bit more, but the demanding a bit more, but the
:15:04. > :15:05.systemic change has to continue. systemic change has to continue.
:15:05. > :15:06.systemic change has to continue. systemic change has to continue.
:15:06. > :15:08.There is a point about whether you There is a point about whether you
:15:08. > :15:09.There is a point about whether you know weigh your food comes from.
:15:09. > :15:11.know weigh your food comes from. know weigh your food comes from.
:15:11. > :15:12.know weigh your food comes from. When you are eating out, how often
:15:12. > :15:12.When you are eating out, how often When you are eating out, how often
:15:12. > :15:16.When you are eating out, how often do you asked a question where food
:15:16. > :15:17.do you asked a question where food do you asked a question where food
:15:17. > :15:19.do you asked a question where food comes from? How do you deal with
:15:20. > :15:21.comes from? How do you deal with comes from? How do you deal with
:15:21. > :15:23.comes from? How do you deal with that? It seems that the problem is,
:15:23. > :15:26.that? It seems that the problem is, that? It seems that the problem is,
:15:26. > :15:27.firstly people will continue eating firstly people will continue eating
:15:27. > :15:29.from supermarkets. The vast from supermarkets. The vast
:15:29. > :15:31.from supermarkets. The vast majority will buy from supermarkets.
:15:31. > :15:32.majority will buy from supermarkets. majority will buy from supermarkets.
:15:32. > :15:33.Secondly, they live the types of Secondly, they live the types of
:15:33. > :15:34.Secondly, they live the types of Secondly, they live the types of
:15:34. > :15:35.lives where they need to save money lives where they need to save money
:15:35. > :15:36.lives where they need to save money lives where they need to save money
:15:36. > :15:37.and are under pressure of time and and are under pressure of time and
:15:37. > :15:39.and are under pressure of time and it is easier to buy convenience
:15:39. > :15:41.it is easier to buy convenience it is easier to buy convenience
:15:41. > :15:43.food which is precisely things open food which is precisely things open
:15:43. > :15:45.food which is precisely things open to this kind of adultery.
:15:45. > :15:47.to this kind of adultery. to this kind of adultery.
:15:47. > :15:50.Absolutely. The issue here is the Absolutely. The issue here is the
:15:50. > :15:50.relationship between supply and relationship between supply and
:15:50. > :15:51.relationship between supply and relationship between supply and
:15:51. > :15:52.demand. I don't think you can point demand. I don't think you can point
:15:52. > :15:52.demand. I don't think you can point demand. I don't think you can point
:15:52. > :15:54.the finger for or all of the the finger for or all of the
:15:54. > :15:56.the finger for or all of the problems at the supermarkets and
:15:56. > :15:57.problems at the supermarkets and retailers because they are
:15:57. > :16:00.retailers because they are supplying something that consumers
:16:00. > :16:01.supplying something that consumers supplying something that consumers
:16:01. > :16:02.want. Consumers are not been forced want. Consumers are not been forced
:16:03. > :16:03.want. Consumers are not been forced want. Consumers are not been forced
:16:03. > :16:04.at gunpoint. What you have seen is at gunpoint. What you have seen is
:16:04. > :16:05.at gunpoint. What you have seen is at gunpoint. What you have seen is
:16:05. > :16:07.much more of a variety in the way much more of a variety in the way
:16:07. > :16:10.much more of a variety in the way that people make choices about the
:16:10. > :16:11.that people make choices about the that people make choices about the
:16:11. > :16:12.food they eat. Projects like the food they eat. Projects like the
:16:12. > :16:13.food they eat. Projects like the Fife Diet have been very successful.
:16:13. > :16:16.Fife Diet have been very successful. Fife Diet have been very successful.
:16:16. > :16:17.Fife Diet have been very successful. You see a lot of farm shops
:16:17. > :16:19.You see a lot of farm shops You see a lot of farm shops
:16:19. > :16:23.offering the picture of the very offering the picture of the very
:16:23. > :16:24.offering the picture of the very offering the picture of the very
:16:24. > :16:25.cow that has ended up on that if cow that has ended up on that if
:16:25. > :16:26.cow that has ended up on that if refrigerated slab in the shop.
:16:26. > :16:29.refrigerated slab in the shop. refrigerated slab in the shop.
:16:29. > :16:30.These things are trends in society. These things are trends in society.
:16:30. > :16:32.These things are trends in society. Lifestyle changes that people make.
:16:32. > :16:33.Lifestyle changes that people make. Lifestyle changes that people make.
:16:33. > :16:34.Lifestyle changes that people make. It is the way they live their lives
:16:34. > :16:35.It is the way they live their lives It is the way they live their lives
:16:35. > :16:38.It is the way they live their lives so they are interested. That is a
:16:38. > :16:40.so they are interested. That is a so they are interested. That is a
:16:40. > :16:41.so they are interested. That is a growing thing. 20 years ago when I
:16:41. > :16:43.growing thing. 20 years ago when I started Health Communication,
:16:43. > :16:45.started Health Communication, started Health Communication,
:16:45. > :16:46.people were not interested. That is people were not interested. That is
:16:46. > :16:47.people were not interested. That is people were not interested. That is
:16:47. > :16:48.a real change. If you look at the a real change. If you look at the
:16:48. > :16:50.a real change. If you look at the way fruit and vegetables are
:16:50. > :16:51.way fruit and vegetables are way fruit and vegetables are
:16:51. > :16:53.consumed and presented, these are consumed and presented, these are
:16:53. > :16:55.consumed and presented, these are shifts and changes. They have been
:16:55. > :16:56.shifts and changes. They have been shifts and changes. They have been
:16:56. > :16:57.some very positive changes. You do some very positive changes. You do
:16:57. > :16:58.some very positive changes. You do some very positive changes. You do
:16:58. > :16:59.have to look at consumers and that have to look at consumers and that
:16:59. > :17:01.have to look at consumers and that is where brands are retailers have
:17:01. > :17:02.is where brands are retailers have is where brands are retailers have
:17:02. > :17:04.been successful. They have listened been successful. They have listened
:17:04. > :17:04.been successful. They have listened been successful. They have listened
:17:05. > :17:06.to what consumers are after an them to what consumers are after an them
:17:06. > :17:06.to what consumers are after an them to what consumers are after an them
:17:07. > :17:12.to supply them. That is how they to supply them. That is how they
:17:12. > :17:14.to supply them. That is how they will get out of this crisis.
:17:14. > :17:15.will get out of this crisis. will get out of this crisis.
:17:15. > :17:17.Consumer power, we have seen that Consumer power, we have seen that
:17:17. > :17:18.Consumer power, we have seen that in things like Starbucks, his
:17:18. > :17:19.in things like Starbucks, his in things like Starbucks, his
:17:19. > :17:20.increasingly powerful so they may increasingly powerful so they may
:17:20. > :17:23.increasingly powerful so they may increasingly powerful so they may
:17:23. > :17:24.have to wake up and pay attention. have to wake up and pay attention.
:17:24. > :17:26.have to wake up and pay attention. Absolutely. There was a survey did
:17:26. > :17:27.Absolutely. There was a survey did Absolutely. There was a survey did
:17:27. > :17:28.Absolutely. There was a survey did last year that showed 62% of people
:17:28. > :17:29.last year that showed 62% of people last year that showed 62% of people
:17:29. > :17:31.last year that showed 62% of people what access to local fruit, but you
:17:31. > :17:31.what access to local fruit, but you what access to local fruit, but you
:17:31. > :17:33.what access to local fruit, but you can't have that if there is a
:17:33. > :17:35.can't have that if there is a stranglehold of retail by
:17:35. > :17:36.stranglehold of retail by stranglehold of retail by
:17:37. > :17:37.supermarkets. When you say it is supermarkets. When you say it is
:17:37. > :17:39.supermarkets. When you say it is supermarkets. When you say it is
:17:39. > :17:40.about working at the margins, it is about working at the margins, it is
:17:40. > :17:42.about working at the margins, it is really not. There is an opportunity
:17:42. > :17:43.really not. There is an opportunity really not. There is an opportunity
:17:43. > :17:46.really not. There is an opportunity arises for a new Scottish FAS a or
:17:46. > :17:48.arises for a new Scottish FAS a or arises for a new Scottish FAS a or
:17:48. > :17:50.arises for a new Scottish FAS a or body similar and I hope that to be
:17:50. > :17:51.body similar and I hope that to be body similar and I hope that to be
:17:51. > :17:53.a radically different system that the UK.
:17:53. > :17:55.the UK. the UK.
:17:55. > :17:56.A quick look at tomorrow's front A quick look at tomorrow's front
:17:56. > :17:59.A quick look at tomorrow's front pages started with the Scotsman.
:17:59. > :18:00.pages started with the Scotsman. pages started with the Scotsman.
:18:00. > :18:02.Scotland to lose out of �250 Scotland to lose out of �250
:18:02. > :18:06.million of EU cash. million of EU cash.
:18:06. > :18:08.million of EU cash. The Scottish Daily Mail says
:18:08. > :18:10.The Scottish Daily Mail says landmark study wads gender-bending
:18:10. > :18:11.landmark study wads gender-bending landmark study wads gender-bending
:18:11. > :18:12.landmark study wads gender-bending chemicals leaked to a huge range of
:18:12. > :18:13.chemicals leaked to a huge range of chemicals leaked to a huge range of
:18:13. > :18:14.chemicals leaked to a huge range of diseases. That is all we have time