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:00:05. > :00:07.Palestinian leadership. Thank you very much indeed.

:00:07. > :00:07.When did you last sit down and write Israeli leadership and

:00:07. > :00:08.Israeli leadership and Tonight, on

:00:08. > :00:08.Tonight, on Newsnight

:00:08. > :00:09.Tonight, on Newsnight Scotland:

:00:09. > :00:09.When did you last sit down and write a letter? I'm

:00:09. > :00:09.a letter? I'm not

:00:09. > :00:09.a letter? I'm not talking

:00:09. > :00:12.a letter? I'm not talking to

:00:12. > :00:13.a letter? I'm not talking to you with your nib quivering like a

:00:13. > :00:13.Tonight, on Newsnight Scotland: with your nib quivering like a

:00:13. > :00:13.Tonight, on Newsnight Scotland: As the

:00:13. > :00:13.hummingbird over the green ink. Chances

:00:13. > :00:13.Tonight, on Newsnight Scotland: As the pipers

:00:13. > :00:14.hummingbird over the green ink. Chances are

:00:14. > :00:14.Tonight, on Newsnight Scotland: As the pipers and

:00:14. > :00:14.hummingbird over the green ink. Chances are it's

:00:14. > :00:14.Tonight, on Newsnight Scotland: As the pipers and kilts

:00:14. > :00:14.hummingbird over the green ink. Chances are it's been

:00:14. > :00:14.Tonight, on Newsnight Scotland: As the pipers and kilts of

:00:14. > :00:15.hummingbird over the green ink. Chances are it's been a

:00:15. > :00:15.Tonight, on Newsnight Scotland: As the pipers and kilts of the

:00:15. > :00:15.hummingbird over the green ink. Chances are it's been a fair

:00:15. > :00:15.As the pipers and kilts of the Tartan

:00:15. > :00:15.hummingbird over the green ink. Chances are it's been a fair while

:00:15. > :00:15.As the pipers and kilts of the Tartan Army

:00:15. > :00:15.Chances are it's been a fair while since

:00:15. > :00:16.As the pipers and kilts of the Tartan Army descend

:00:16. > :00:16.Chances are it's been a fair while since you

:00:16. > :00:16.As the pipers and kilts of the Tartan Army descend on

:00:16. > :00:16.Chances are it's been a fair while since you received

:00:16. > :00:16.As the pipers and kilts of the Tartan Army descend on London

:00:16. > :00:16.Chances are it's been a fair while since you received a

:00:16. > :00:16.As the pipers and kilts of the Tartan Army descend on London for

:00:16. > :00:17.Tartan Army descend on London for tomorrow's

:00:17. > :00:17.Chances are it's been a fair while since you received a letter

:00:17. > :00:17.Tartan Army descend on London for tomorrow's football

:00:17. > :00:17.Chances are it's been a fair while since you received a letter either.

:00:17. > :00:17.Tartan Army descend on London for tomorrow's football match

:00:17. > :00:17.since you received a letter either. Perhaps

:00:17. > :00:17.Perhaps then,

:00:17. > :00:17.Tartan Army descend on London for tomorrow's football match at

:00:18. > :00:18.since you received a letter either. Perhaps then, the

:00:18. > :00:18.tomorrow's football match at Wembley,

:00:18. > :00:18.since you received a letter either. Perhaps then, the only

:00:18. > :00:18.tomorrow's football match at Wembley, just

:00:18. > :00:18.since you received a letter either. Perhaps then, the only thing

:00:18. > :00:18.tomorrow's football match at Wembley, just how

:00:18. > :00:18.since you received a letter either. Perhaps then, the only thing left

:00:18. > :00:19.tomorrow's football match at Wembley, just how much

:00:19. > :00:19.since you received a letter either. Perhaps then, the only thing left to

:00:19. > :00:19.tomorrow's football match at Wembley, just how much significance

:00:19. > :00:19.Perhaps then, the only thing left to do

:00:19. > :00:19.Wembley, just how much significance remains

:00:19. > :00:19.Perhaps then, the only thing left to do is

:00:19. > :00:19.Wembley, just how much significance remains in

:00:19. > :00:20.Perhaps then, the only thing left to do is to

:00:20. > :00:20.Wembley, just how much significance remains in the

:00:20. > :00:20.Perhaps then, the only thing left to do is to read

:00:20. > :00:20.Wembley, just how much significance remains in the world's

:00:20. > :00:20.Perhaps then, the only thing left to do is to read other

:00:20. > :00:20.Wembley, just how much significance remains in the world's oldest

:00:20. > :00:20.Perhaps then, the only thing left to do is to read other peoples'

:00:20. > :00:20.remains in the world's oldest international

:00:21. > :00:21.do is to read other peoples' outpourings.

:00:21. > :00:21.remains in the world's oldest international fixture?

:00:21. > :00:21.do is to read other peoples' outpourings. The

:00:21. > :00:21.outpourings. The popular

:00:21. > :00:21.outpourings. The popular website

:00:21. > :00:21.outpourings. The popular website Letters

:00:21. > :00:22.Letters of

:00:22. > :00:22.Letters of Note

:00:22. > :00:25.Letters of Note is

:00:25. > :00:27.Letters of Note is to publish its first book in October, filled with

:00:27. > :00:33.the personal scribblings of the rich the personal scribblings of the rich

:00:33. > :00:42.site has given Newsnight access to some of the letters. So with his

:00:42. > :00:45.some of the letters. So with his tongue curled heartbreakingly

:00:45. > :00:45.Good evening. Good evening.

:00:45. > :00:46.You know Elvis is the king of Good evening.

:00:46. > :00:46.You know Elvis is the king of Good evening.

:00:46. > :00:46.You know Elvis is the king of rock'n'roll. You might not

:00:46. > :00:47.Good evening. Today marks 400 days to go to the

:00:47. > :00:47.You know Elvis is the king of rock'n'roll. You might not be

:00:47. > :00:47.Today marks 400 days to go to the independence

:00:47. > :00:47.You know Elvis is the king of rock'n'roll. You might not be so

:00:47. > :00:47.Today marks 400 days to go to the independence referendum,

:00:47. > :00:47.independence referendum, but

:00:47. > :00:47.rock'n'roll. You might not be so familiar

:00:48. > :00:48.Today marks 400 days to go to the independence referendum, but it's

:00:48. > :00:48.independence referendum, but it's only

:00:48. > :00:48.rock'n'roll. You might not be so familiar of

:00:48. > :00:48.familiar of him

:00:48. > :00:48.independence referendum, but it's only one

:00:48. > :00:48.only one day

:00:48. > :00:49.rock'n'roll. You might not be so familiar of him as

:00:49. > :00:49.independence referendum, but it's only one day until

:00:49. > :00:49.only one day until Scotland

:00:49. > :00:49.only one day until Scotland take

:00:49. > :00:49.only one day until Scotland take on

:00:49. > :00:50.only one day until Scotland take on England

:00:50. > :00:50.England at

:00:50. > :00:50.rock'n'roll. You might not be so familiar of him as a

:00:50. > :00:50.only one day until Scotland take on England at Wembley

:00:50. > :00:50.England at Wembley for

:00:51. > :00:51.rock'n'roll. You might not be so familiar of him as a sparking

:00:51. > :00:51.only one day until Scotland take on England at Wembley for the

:00:51. > :00:51.England at Wembley for the first

:00:51. > :00:51.England at Wembley for the first time

:00:51. > :00:52.time in

:00:52. > :00:52.time in 14

:00:52. > :00:52.time in 14 years.

:00:52. > :00:52.rock'n'roll. You might not be so familiar of him as a sparking con

:00:52. > :00:53.familiar of him as a sparking con verisationist

:00:53. > :00:53.verisationist on

:00:53. > :00:53.verisationist on the

:00:53. > :00:55.verisationist on the page.

:00:55. > :00:55.verisationist on the page. Here

:00:55. > :00:55.Here he

:00:55. > :00:55.Here he is

:00:55. > :01:00.Here he is offering

:01:00. > :01:04.Here he is offering to keep tabs on the youth of America on behalf of

:01:04. > :01:14.President Nixon whom he looks forwarding forwarding -- forward to

:01:14. > :01:43.

:01:43. > :01:47.done Hutchinson scored and I think we'll never forget that. We probably

:01:47. > :01:51.have more chances of Done Hutchinson scoring this time as well. It is one

:01:51. > :01:56.of those games that means so much over a period of time.

:01:56. > :02:00.It is just the history that goes with the games. The first official

:02:00. > :02:04.international between Scotland and England took place here in 1872 in

:02:04. > :02:09.the West of Scotland cricket ground in Glasgow. The century's old

:02:09. > :02:12.rivalry between the two countries was seen as the perfect vehicle to

:02:12. > :02:19.promote the fledge Palestinianing sport of the association football.

:02:19. > :02:23.So, 2,500 fans turned up for what in the end was a 0-0 draw. No goals but

:02:23. > :02:28.it became an annual event that helped create an enduring national

:02:28. > :02:33.obsession. It was very special, when I was a boy in the East End of

:02:33. > :02:35.Glasgow, the whole neighbourhood used to come out and we would wave

:02:35. > :02:41.goodbye to the Wembley bus. It was very special for us. This game is

:02:41. > :02:46.back but it is a one-off. It is far removed from that tradition I was

:02:46. > :02:51.brought up in. In the '6 #0s and 1970s, you would actually have huge,

:02:51. > :02:56.huge numbers of Scots going down through the Wembley club system,

:02:56. > :02:59.going to London to Wembley and outnumbering the English home

:02:59. > :03:02.support inside Wembley. That gives you an idea of how important that

:03:02. > :03:07.particular game was. Very important to the English absolutely but I

:03:07. > :03:12.think it has particular poshes to Scotland. This is a Scotland shirt

:03:12. > :03:22.warn in the match in 1976 when Scotland became unofficial World

:03:22. > :03:29.Scotland became unofficial World A 3-2 win over the world Cup winners

:03:29. > :03:33.is part of the Wembley folklore. So, too, the broken goalposts and

:03:33. > :03:37.pilfered turf that followed victory in 1977. The following decade,

:03:37. > :03:43.however, in the face of increasing violence and disorder, the fixtures

:03:43. > :03:47.were scrapped. I remember walking the streets with Ernie Walker, the

:03:47. > :03:53.form former secretary of the SFA who said to me, "I'm not going to have

:03:53. > :03:57.this any longer because of the misconduct (unfortunately of a

:03:57. > :04:00.fairly sizeable amount of the Scottish support." It did no credit

:04:00. > :04:04.to the country. He was right and I supported him on that. It was just a

:04:04. > :04:08.pity. I felt then, even though we have played subsequently since then,

:04:08. > :04:18.it's been in special competitions. I've felt then it would never revive

:04:18. > :04:19.

:04:19. > :04:24.in the same way. # Flower of Scotland... #

:04:24. > :04:27.With the passage of time, what, if anything a return of a fixture will

:04:27. > :04:32.tell us about modern Scotland? think there has been a shift overall

:04:32. > :04:36.in terms of the place sport has as part of the national identity. There

:04:36. > :04:40.is still very much there and we'll probably see that in the

:04:40. > :04:46.Commonwealth. I don't think you would have the same peaks that you

:04:46. > :04:50.would have in the '60s and '70s as football as a national identity.

:04:50. > :04:55.don't think it has been a yard stick for wider concerns. I have seen and

:04:55. > :04:57.experienced humiliation at Wembley T didn't make me less Scottish. The

:04:58. > :05:07.simple desire of thousands of travelling fans is that tomorrow

:05:08. > :05:15.

:05:15. > :05:18.they witnessed their own piece of history. Joining me from Leicester

:05:18. > :05:21.is Rob Colls, Professor of History at the International Centre for

:05:21. > :05:24.Sports History and Culture at De Montfort University. He is

:05:24. > :05:34.organising a conference on the social and political significance of

:05:34. > :05:34.

:05:34. > :05:37.fixture has lost something over the years? I think it is very important.

:05:37. > :05:44.Commentators are saying it is one of the oldest international football

:05:44. > :05:48.fixtures in the world. Certainly judging by the fans that were going

:05:48. > :05:54.through both Glasgow and Edinburgh train stations this morning, it

:05:54. > :05:57.means something for them. I also think football is socially and

:05:57. > :06:01.politically significant and we just have to be absolutely clear about

:06:01. > :06:04.why that is. So, I think football and sport is

:06:04. > :06:09.generally very, very good for Scotland. That's where I come from,

:06:09. > :06:15.I think. It is good for a number of countries. But not just for the sake

:06:15. > :06:19.of identity. You know, football and sport, as we know has a significant

:06:19. > :06:23.impact in terms of reducing crime impact in terms of reducing crime

:06:23. > :06:33.rates. Hang on. I don't really want to get into that discussion.

:06:33. > :06:38.We'll take the benefits of sport for granted. It is really important.

:06:38. > :06:44.You can't dismiss them. I'm in the trying to dismiss T I'm asking about

:06:44. > :06:50.the fraughtness of that fixture, has it dispated, if for no other reason

:06:50. > :06:54.than it hasn't been held for 14 years. It has a wee bit. We need to

:06:54. > :06:57.see the size of the crowd tomorrow. But in pure football terms, it is

:06:57. > :07:00.really, really important. We are in the process of building a world

:07:00. > :07:05.class sports system and fatted ball system in Scot lands and playing

:07:05. > :07:09.football nations that are ranked before you in the world, and it is

:07:09. > :07:13.really, really important in that that. Zorb Scotland. This is the

:07:13. > :07:16.150th anniversary in terms of that particular celebration, a one-off

:07:16. > :07:20.game but in terms of what football does for communities and being

:07:20. > :07:24.important to countries and in terms of what Scotland has given to the

:07:24. > :07:29.world, in terms of sport, there is a range of sports that we take

:07:29. > :07:38.cultural ownership of, or argue that we take cultural ownership of and

:07:38. > :07:43.football is one along with other sports, including curling.

:07:43. > :07:48.But it has to be taken seriously in its own right. I think people are

:07:48. > :07:51.recognising that. So if there is a fell-good factor after tomorrow

:07:51. > :07:58.night that will help with the economy. People will feel better. I

:07:58. > :08:01.think that is the real - it is clear about the social and political

:08:01. > :08:07.significance of football and this football match might help to stir

:08:07. > :08:11.that a bit. OK. The under-21s got thumped 6-1 by England this evening.

:08:11. > :08:15.You are not really going to tell me, if Scotland should suffer a similar

:08:15. > :08:19.fate tomorrow newt, somehow that's going to tank the economy. Are you?

:08:19. > :08:22.No, I'm saying football in sport is important to the communities and

:08:22. > :08:27.important to countries and if we have a feel-good factor tomorrow

:08:27. > :08:32.that will be good but if we have a not so feel-good factor, we still

:08:32. > :08:38.need to recognise that football and sport is important for communities.

:08:38. > :08:42.You did some research, didn't you, on the history of Scotland-England

:08:42. > :08:47.matches and their relationship to the general culture around them? It

:08:47. > :08:50.has changed. I agree with some of Rob Coles work but identitity for

:08:50. > :08:55.identity sake is not the main things. It in terms, it wasn't

:08:55. > :09:05.football, it was rugby. I wrote about Scottish sport in the making

:09:05. > :09:07.

:09:07. > :09:13.of the nation and I'm joint author of another sport sporting book. And

:09:13. > :09:19.I have written other sport sporting books.

:09:19. > :09:23.We have Rob Coles. Can you now hear me? I can.Is that Gordon. ! Yes, it

:09:23. > :09:28.is. You think there is some relevance to the independent debate

:09:28. > :09:32.for this match, tomorrow, do you? Well, it was just speculation that

:09:32. > :09:39.things were looking interesting, given that Scottish Parliament,

:09:39. > :09:43.1999, the last England Scotland match, 1999, a Scottish win might do

:09:43. > :09:49.Scottish self-regard a lot of good and, in a sense, this referendum is,

:09:49. > :09:53.in a way, about Scottish self-regard.

:09:53. > :09:58.Is it important in England. Do the fans in England or people in England

:09:58. > :10:03.generally see this as important, or is it more - is it more they think -

:10:03. > :10:09.oh, if we beat Germany that would be a big thing? I think that's true,

:10:09. > :10:14.actually. I think it's not a big thing here in football terms, or

:10:14. > :10:17.indeed political terms. It's always probably meant more to the Scots

:10:17. > :10:22.than the English anyway and I think that's probably the case tomorrow as

:10:22. > :10:27.well. So you don't detect any sort of -

:10:27. > :10:30.some people have said - look, there is a rising sense of English

:10:30. > :10:34.nationalism and that could be on display tomorrow. Do you get any

:10:34. > :10:38.display tomorrow. Do you get any better. Why?You are going to have

:10:38. > :10:42.more stored. You are going to get a wider picture of that person's life

:10:42. > :10:46.and wouldn't you want to he read the Pope's e-mails or the Queen's

:10:46. > :10:52.e-mails. Do you think it is more honest in a way? I think you get a

:10:52. > :10:56.broader picture so you will get some of the formal messages from very

:10:56. > :10:59.public figures that they are sending as head of State, but you might also

:10:59. > :11:04.get their private communications that are much more casual and so you

:11:04. > :11:10.get a much richer picture about who they are because we can store that

:11:10. > :11:13.now in a way it was much more ad hoc in the past with physical letters.

:11:13. > :11:23.Isn't it something about the letter? It is the letter and someone has

:11:23. > :11:29.

:11:29. > :11:34.been out doing the gartening, there do for countries in terms of

:11:34. > :11:38.recognition. We also know in terms of what it can

:11:38. > :11:48.do in terms of reducing crime rates. We also know what football can do in

:11:48. > :11:57.

:11:57. > :12:02.becoming culturally important - either I would imagine a community

:12:02. > :12:06.or an imagined nation. I come back to this. - is it, I wonder, is it

:12:06. > :12:15.any longer the case, or is it something that happened in the past?

:12:15. > :12:20.! Are you talking to me, Gordon? #12k3w4r Yes.What has Scotland

:12:20. > :12:30.based previous national identities on? Great engineering achievements,

:12:30. > :12:30.

:12:30. > :12:35.scholarly achievements and I suppose military traditions. . All of those

:12:35. > :12:40.look in trouble these days. In a sense, football is Scotland's truly

:12:40. > :12:44.national sport. Nothing rivals it. Andy Murray did great in the English

:12:44. > :12:49.heartlands but I don't think tennis makes hearts beat any faster in

:12:49. > :12:53.Glasgow. I hope there are no golfers watch, they will be furious. The

:12:53. > :12:55.question of national identity is never far from the surface of the

:12:55. > :12:59.politics of Northern Ireland but the possibility of Scotland voting for

:12:59. > :13:03.independence next year means they are keeping a watchful eye on events

:13:03. > :13:08.here. In the first of two reports from Derry-Londonderry, Ian Hamilton

:13:08. > :13:13.has been finding out what impact of the debate that Scotland's place in

:13:13. > :13:17.the UK is having on unionists across the Irish Sea. Over the decades and

:13:17. > :13:21.centuries this old walled city has seen its fair share of religious

:13:21. > :13:27.tension and conflict. These tensions haven't disappeared,

:13:27. > :13:34.but they have certainly diminished. As part of its revival, this year

:13:35. > :13:38.it's the UK City of Culture. Last week it was the Maiden City's

:13:38. > :13:44.festival, celebrating everything that is protestant and loyalist. It

:13:44. > :13:47.looked back to the 1688 siege when the Protestants defended the city

:13:47. > :13:55.against King James II, a Catholic king.

:13:55. > :13:58.Many of these Protestants defenders came from Scottish descent. Its

:13:58. > :14:03.these ultra-Scott traditions that live on to this day and formed a

:14:03. > :14:07.major part of last week's festival Depending who you are talking to,

:14:07. > :14:10.this is either Derry or Londonderry. We are only about four or five miles

:14:10. > :14:13.from the Irish Republic border. There is great interest here on the

:14:13. > :14:18.whole debate on Scottish independence.

:14:18. > :14:22.In Scotland, we can't agree what independence might mean for us, so

:14:22. > :14:26.it is even harder to understand what Scottish independence might mean for

:14:26. > :14:32.people living here in Northern Ireland. And some say there will be

:14:32. > :14:39.consequences. This is our Siege Museum. It's

:14:39. > :14:42.temporary, in a sense that we are going to open a new... Jim Brownlee

:14:42. > :14:45.is the governor of the Awere tis Boys. There will be a bit of

:14:45. > :14:49.pressure. There has been pressure in Northern Ireland for a number of

:14:49. > :14:54.years. Around about the same argument, if you like, whereby you

:14:54. > :14:59.have had so-called republicans wishing to annex Northern Ireland

:14:59. > :15:02.from the UK and have it part of a with-be United Ireland. But do you

:15:02. > :15:06.think Scotland Eving the UK would put further pressure than that,

:15:06. > :15:10.then? Not sure. I think it may actually strengthen

:15:10. > :15:15.the resolve of the loyalist people in particular, to defend what then

:15:15. > :15:22.would have left. You know what would remain.

:15:22. > :15:25.As is now known, Derry-Londonderry, the Protestants are very much in the

:15:25. > :15:29.minority and are having to work closely with their Catholic

:15:29. > :15:34.neighbours. Across Northern Ireland the population is far more even.

:15:34. > :15:38.Unionists here believe that Scotland will reject independence but if we

:15:38. > :15:41.don't, they've got great concerns. We are confident that the people of

:15:42. > :15:46.Scotland will decide to do the right thing and to stick with the union.

:15:46. > :15:50.But again, we don't want to put any pressure on the people of Scotland.

:15:50. > :15:54.That's up to the people of Scotland to do that. However, I do think it

:15:54. > :15:58.would be disappointing if Scotland did leave the union and it would

:15:58. > :16:01.believe news a difficult position all right. As it was described to me

:16:01. > :16:06.- Northern Ireland is like auto child that nobody wants. Dublin is

:16:06. > :16:09.no more interested in running this place than London is. -- like a

:16:09. > :16:13.child. Some say Scottish independence may

:16:13. > :16:19.force both communities to work together, to create their own

:16:19. > :16:23.identity. I catch up with two prominent businessmen and met up

:16:23. > :16:28.with them on the city walls to get their perspective. It'll

:16:28. > :16:33.inevitableably lead, to some can he gree, the Scottish vote, to some

:16:33. > :16:38.degree of devolution if not independence. That will have a

:16:38. > :16:43.inevitable long-term consequence for us as policy makers in London wonder

:16:43. > :16:48.if the Scottish devolution max is neutral for the exchequer in London,

:16:48. > :16:51.why they have to pay a large amount to Northern Ireland. We have a

:16:51. > :16:55.unique situation where emotions at particular times of the year get

:16:55. > :17:02.very, very tense. I know there is a watchful eye from Northern Ireland

:17:02. > :17:06.on to the referendum in Scotland, to sooe what way it goes. -- to see.

:17:06. > :17:10.political unionism here has a large cultural look across the channel to

:17:10. > :17:15.Scotland and if Scotland isn't part of that mix any longer, I think that

:17:15. > :17:18.will #230e6r change the way that unionism sees itself. -- will

:17:19. > :17:23.forever change. Particularly if England and Wales comes out and

:17:23. > :17:27.Scotland remains in and we are left wondering, you know, what are we

:17:27. > :17:32.going to do but all of this is part of a long of had term process of

:17:32. > :17:35.forcing us as a politicalentity achieving adulthood and working out

:17:35. > :17:39.our political decisions locally. While I've been here, some people

:17:39. > :17:42.have said to me that unionists are stuck in the past and are in denial

:17:42. > :17:46.that Scotland with a even contemplate voting for independence

:17:46. > :17:51.We always know there is a nervousness within unionism, that's

:17:51. > :17:55.because of the principle of consent and changing demography. We have the

:17:55. > :17:59.population relatively equal now. If Scotland was to leave the union that

:17:59. > :18:02.would create a nervousness. What is also important is that pro-union

:18:02. > :18:08.politicians are not very good at selling the constitutional question.

:18:08. > :18:13.I think they lack charisma. I think they like assurity of the arguments

:18:13. > :18:16.they make. I think they are living in a 1950s' type idea of what

:18:16. > :18:21.unionism is, as opposed to understanding what it means in the

:18:21. > :18:26.modern area. The protestant tradition here in Derry-Londonderry

:18:26. > :18:30.run deep. As the maiden city festival comes to an end, these

:18:30. > :18:34.Ulster Protestants may have to think about a different kind of future

:18:34. > :18:38.should Scotland vote for independence and leave the UK.

:18:38. > :18:40.Tomorrow night Ian speaks to Irish nationalists to see how they

:18:40. > :18:46.perceive the possibility of Scottish independence.

:18:46. > :18:50.A quick look at tomorrow's front pages. Starting with the Scotsman:

:18:50. > :18:54.SNP want one-stop shop for consumer protection after independence. Is

:18:54. > :19:01.the headline there. The picture of the Tartan Army there

:19:01. > :19:06.in Trafalgar Square. The Daily Telegraph - SNP urged to

:19:06. > :19:16.attack English cancer - the pro-independence campaign by Gordon