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:00:00. > :00:00.beings. That is nasty. I did think that is a fair reading of his

:00:00. > :00:00.speech. That is what people hope he said but it is not a fair reading of

:00:00. > :00:17.what he said. Thank you all very much indeed.

:00:18. > :00:22.Newsnight Scotland, what is the best Scottish novel written in the last

:00:23. > :00:25.50 years? We will reveal all and ask whether it really matters if fewer

:00:26. > :00:30.and fewer of us are reading any books at all. We will discuss that

:00:31. > :00:33.with Christopher Brookmyre and Irvine Welsh among others. If you

:00:34. > :00:36.are fed up with a high pressure political debate, pause for a

:00:37. > :00:42.moment, sit down and read a good book. But not now, please! Thousands

:00:43. > :00:52.of readers have just voted for their choice of the best Scottish novel of

:00:53. > :00:55.the last 50 years. We will announce the winner in a

:00:56. > :00:57.moment. But first Huw Williams has this report. So what is the Scottish

:00:58. > :01:01.novel? The Scottish Book Trust decided it is a book written here or

:01:02. > :01:09.by an author born or who now lives in Scotland. These are our top ten

:01:10. > :01:12.favourite titles as voted by nearly 9000 people from a long list of 50

:01:13. > :01:21.contenders written over the past 50 years. This is where I'll live. My

:01:22. > :01:30.family. My mum and dad run the shop. This is my brother's bedroom. Katie

:01:31. > :01:36.Morag first delivered the mail back in 1984, but stories of life on this

:01:37. > :01:45.fictional isle off the West Coast continued to captivate generations

:01:46. > :01:49.of children. Hello! These youngsters met her creator at the BBC in

:01:50. > :01:55.Glasgow today. There was not much enthusiasm for the idea of a beauty

:01:56. > :01:58.parade of books here. In this particular poll there are no

:01:59. > :02:07.children's books. It is just adult books. I wonder at that. I do have

:02:08. > :02:11.that kind of stigma that I do actually do grown-up books that they

:02:12. > :02:19.are never commented on. It is just children's books. I have come to

:02:20. > :02:23.meet some students of Scottish literature at the University of

:02:24. > :02:30.Glasgow. I am delighted that there is science fiction there. Iain M

:02:31. > :02:35.Banks is probably my favourite Scottish author and I am delighted

:02:36. > :02:39.that he is in the list. Why is that important? The way that he writes

:02:40. > :02:44.science fiction is how it should be written. He has no careful scale. He

:02:45. > :02:49.creates a fantastic world where you can do or see anything but he

:02:50. > :02:54.manages to keep tension and drama in paradise, where you think it would

:02:55. > :02:58.not exist. I am delighted he is on the list. Anything strike you about

:02:59. > :03:01.the list, anything that is there or not there? I am not surprised

:03:02. > :03:04.Trainspotting did so well. I think it has become one of those books

:03:05. > :03:11.totally synonymous with Scottish identity. Whether or not that is a

:03:12. > :03:14.good thing or a bad thing is not relevant. I think Scots identify

:03:15. > :03:19.with the voice in Trainspotting and many people view it as Scotland

:03:20. > :03:23.being encompassed by Trainspotting. No doubt the film being so popular

:03:24. > :03:31.was something to do with it as well. Only one woman on the list. Is that

:03:32. > :03:38.a surprise? Tricky To Keep Breathing is very good. Psychological but very

:03:39. > :03:42.good. I don't know if other writers have fallen out of the 50 year

:03:43. > :03:47.timeline, like Muriel Spark. If you go back a bit further back there are

:03:48. > :03:51.many good women. I think more women could have made the list but it

:03:52. > :03:55.could be because more women write poetry, like Liz Lochhead and

:03:56. > :04:00.Kathleen Jamie for example. They could have made the list if it was a

:04:01. > :04:04.poetry one, no doubt. What does the poll and the books that made it into

:04:05. > :04:13.the top ten tell us about the state of literature in Scotland today? I

:04:14. > :04:15.think writers take Scotland seriously and Scotland takes its

:04:16. > :04:20.writers seriously, as it should, looking at the legacy of Scottish

:04:21. > :04:24.writing, especially in the last 50 years, which this legacy has

:04:25. > :04:29.covered. We have seen a flourishing of talent. Not just fiction but

:04:30. > :04:34.academic writing, poetry, and let's not forget playwrights as well. So

:04:35. > :04:40.it must be boomtime for publishers, two. They are two very different

:04:41. > :04:43.things. Writing always continues. Writers inspire writers, books

:04:44. > :04:48.inspired books, poets inspire poets, but publishing is a very

:04:49. > :04:53.different beast. We see publishing model is changing. Next week

:04:54. > :04:59.Mainstream is having its closing party. Things are changing. There

:05:00. > :05:03.are new publishers in Scotland like Cargo and Freight, but publishing is

:05:04. > :05:07.much more perilous than writing. Only one of these ten titles can be

:05:08. > :05:14.the ultimate winner, so which one will it be? If you are sitting

:05:15. > :05:20.comfortably, we will tell you in a moment.

:05:21. > :05:24.I am joined in the studio by Marc Lambert, Chief executive of the

:05:25. > :05:28.Scottish Book Trust. We are on tenterhooks. We are such cheapskates

:05:29. > :05:35.that we do not have an envelope for you to pull out a card! We will use

:05:36. > :05:44.our imagination, literary spirit. Who won? Trainspotting came out top,

:05:45. > :05:48.so it is the overall winner. 9000 votes cast from 57 different

:05:49. > :05:52.countries, which is pretty remarkable. This was an internet

:05:53. > :05:58.thing where anyone could join in? Correct. It is fantastic that people

:05:59. > :06:01.from 57 countries were voting for their favourite Scottish book. Hey

:06:02. > :06:10.presto we can talk to Irvine Welsh because he is on the line from

:06:11. > :06:18.Chicago. Congratulations. Thank you. Why do you think Trainspotting hit

:06:19. > :06:24.the mark with people in the world in general in the way that most novels

:06:25. > :06:28.just don't? It is almost impossible for me to answer that question. A

:06:29. > :06:38.fine new, I would replicate that formula. -- if I knew. You write the

:06:39. > :06:40.books that you want to write and anything that happens afterwards is

:06:41. > :06:48.not something you have any control over. I think any books that has

:06:49. > :06:55.very strong characters, that people can instantly identify with, that is

:06:56. > :07:00.what I hear everywhere I go, whether it is in South America, the United

:07:01. > :07:13.States or South Africa or Australia, Russia, Eastern Europe. Everybody

:07:14. > :07:26.says they recognise Renton, Spud, and Sick Boy. They are archetypes.

:07:27. > :07:31.They recognise the flush of youth. Like catcher in the Rye. That time

:07:32. > :07:34.when everything is possible. If you mess up it does not matter that much

:07:35. > :07:42.because you get second and third chances. I would say that is the

:07:43. > :07:47.appeal but I really don't know. OK. We have Christopher Brookmyre, too.

:07:48. > :07:53.Don't look downhearted because your book was number five, One Fine Day

:07:54. > :08:01.In The Middle Of The Night. Title Normal Top Six Finish. Do You Think

:08:02. > :08:14.There Is Any Point To This Sort Of Exercise? One Of The Immediate

:08:15. > :08:24.Successes -- one of the immediate successes is generating publicity.

:08:25. > :08:30.We are also joined by Professor Linda Dryden from the University of

:08:31. > :08:37.Edinburgh. Do you think there is any point in this sort of exercise? He

:08:38. > :08:41.is right because it has got us talking about books, which is always

:08:42. > :08:45.a good thing, and it makes us concentrate on what is happening in

:08:46. > :08:49.Scotland in the book trade, which is a good thing. Would you like to have

:08:50. > :08:55.a stab at telling Irvine Welsh what he himself says he does not know,

:08:56. > :09:00.quite Trainspotting is such a goer? I was thinking about that. I thought

:09:01. > :09:03.the young people on earlier were interesting because they recognised

:09:04. > :09:07.Trainspotting as a great book. I think it appeals not just to adults

:09:08. > :09:11.but young people as well. They find something in that book that they can

:09:12. > :09:20.identify with. The subject matter is terrific anyway, which is part of

:09:21. > :09:25.it. You all have a problem. I think I am right in saying that reading

:09:26. > :09:27.rates are going down. That is true. The latest survey of literacy from

:09:28. > :09:35.the Scottish Government, published in May, shows that Scottish

:09:36. > :09:40.teenagers and Scottish children as they progress through school are

:09:41. > :09:45.losing their enthusiasm for reading. That is a thing we have to take

:09:46. > :09:49.seriously. I wonder, Christopher Brookmyre, our youngsters not

:09:50. > :09:53.reading or are they just not reading books? I am conscious of the fact

:09:54. > :09:58.that we live in an era where young people communicate via the written

:09:59. > :10:05.word anyway that they did not 20 years ago. Perhaps, MA seem

:10:06. > :10:08.surprising, that they are therefore resistant to reading fiction or for

:10:09. > :10:12.pleasure but it may simply be that when it gets to the end of the

:10:13. > :10:17.school day, or the end of their other activities, the notion of

:10:18. > :10:24.reading more prose is unattractive. Irvine Welsh, youngsters read in a

:10:25. > :10:28.different way perhaps and perhaps maybe writers like yourselves and

:10:29. > :10:35.others, it is something you have to come to terms with, perhaps read

:10:36. > :10:41.shorter verse. Again, I don't either. I think that one of the

:10:42. > :10:51.interesting things now, you have this tremendous plethora of, this

:10:52. > :10:54.already end of courses and Master of fine arts programmes and people want

:10:55. > :10:59.to be writers. They don't necessarily want to read. When I go

:11:00. > :11:08.and talk to people, it is like surprising how many people you meet

:11:09. > :11:15.that are actually doing postgraduate courses and wanting to be writers

:11:16. > :11:20.but they have not actually read. Some of the novelty would probably

:11:21. > :11:23.describe as indispensable. So that is a kind of interesting phenomenon,

:11:24. > :11:30.we have less readers but more writers. Or more people wanting to

:11:31. > :11:36.be writers. Why is that? There must be an incredible dispersion of what

:11:37. > :11:41.was once a fairly unified industry, people self publish on the

:11:42. > :11:45.Internet, OK, much of it might be rubbish but some of it has become

:11:46. > :11:48.good and commercially successful. That is done for the publishing

:11:49. > :11:54.industry but everything is much more dispersed. Yes, it is. I don't know

:11:55. > :11:59.that we are not reading as much as we used to. Some of the figures that

:12:00. > :12:01.the Scottish Book Trust published an interesting and in Scotland, it

:12:02. > :12:07.seems there is more reading taking place than other parts of the UK. If

:12:08. > :12:09.you like, the Harry Potter books, they do a lot for children's

:12:10. > :12:20.literacy and getting children reading. Candles, whether you like

:12:21. > :12:27.or don't like them... -- Kindles. Should we give it a virtual prize?

:12:28. > :12:30.That is unanimous. Sorry. I see a lot of people that reading on

:12:31. > :12:36.Kindles and I see that as a good end. In the sense that they are

:12:37. > :12:41.reading. -- I see that as a good thing. There is lots of stuff

:12:42. > :12:44.available on the Internet to read. People might not read books but they

:12:45. > :12:48.go and read articles on the Internet. They have got access to

:12:49. > :12:52.the printed word and probably use the printed word compared to 20

:12:53. > :12:55.years ago, when youngsters might spend four hours in front of a

:12:56. > :13:02.television, now they are spending four hours on the computer and the

:13:03. > :13:07.art in front of text. That is true but it also is important what text

:13:08. > :13:12.they are in front of and while it is very true to say that a lot of

:13:13. > :13:15.children are reading and writing more than they would have 20 years

:13:16. > :13:19.ago because of social media and because they are organising their

:13:20. > :13:22.lives and constructing their personas online, if you like, there

:13:23. > :13:30.is not any substitute to actual engagement with a fantastic novel.

:13:31. > :13:32.Whether that is on a computer, a Kindle or in printed format, it does

:13:33. > :13:40.not matter, what matters is engagement with books. Children are

:13:41. > :13:44.inclined to associate text with communication or work and they are

:13:45. > :13:49.not encouraged enough to associate the written word with entertainment.

:13:50. > :13:53.They do not categorise... When I grew up I categorised the fiction I

:13:54. > :13:56.was reading alongside movies, television, pop music, I saw it as

:13:57. > :14:03.part of popular culture, one of the things I looks for to spend my free

:14:04. > :14:07.time on. That is one of the things that is missing now. -- one of the

:14:08. > :14:12.things I looked for. Tell me if you think I am wrong, but it strikes me

:14:13. > :14:16.that we are now in an age when perhaps the whole future of the

:14:17. > :14:19.novel is at stake. There probably is not as much experimentation with the

:14:20. > :14:25.form of the novel and what a novel should be as there was in the 1960s.

:14:26. > :14:32.I don't know. I dispute that. There is a lot of great experimental

:14:33. > :14:37.stuff. If you look at, one of the great books, it was not on the list,

:14:38. > :14:45.it probably should have, was a book that came out last year or the year

:14:46. > :14:51.before last called Tales from the Mall die UN Morrison. It was a very

:14:52. > :14:59.innovative experimental book. -- by Ewan Morrison. He used lists of

:15:00. > :15:06.websites that you keep into. It was exploring the story. And so there is

:15:07. > :15:12.innovative work. It just is not necessarily embraced are accepted.

:15:13. > :15:15.All right. Unfortunately, you just pre-empted my next question. I was

:15:16. > :15:19.going to ask you, ask all of you, you are not allowed to say one of

:15:20. > :15:23.your own books or one of Christopher's. If there is a book

:15:24. > :15:27.that you think, other than the one you have just mentioned, should have

:15:28. > :15:36.been on that list of 50 books, that has been published in the last 50

:15:37. > :15:43.years, what should it be? I think there is quite a few I would love to

:15:44. > :15:47.have seen. I think it is sad that a writer of James Kelman's stature, I

:15:48. > :15:52.know he is not everyone's cup of tea, he has contributed so much to

:15:53. > :15:58.Scottish writing. I would have loved it to have seen that one of his

:15:59. > :16:02.books, probably A Disaffection, on the list. I am delighted William

:16:03. > :16:09.McIlvanney and Alistair Gray made it onto the list. I think that there

:16:10. > :16:18.are other books. Alan Warner is, his book, The Man Who Walks is one of my

:16:19. > :16:25.favourite Scottish novels. You pick one book from everybody, you choose

:16:26. > :16:28.Iain Banks because he writes in a John and he is also a mainstream

:16:29. > :16:34.writer, but what is interesting is that a lot of books have become the

:16:35. > :16:39.first novel, a lot of books selected have been the first novel of a

:16:40. > :16:44.writer. Like myself and Alistair Gray and Alan Warner. You don't want

:16:45. > :16:48.to have more than one, it kind of splits the ticket, basically, in

:16:49. > :16:54.terms of the book. I think that is interesting, the way that it tells

:16:55. > :16:59.you something about the novel, especially if you are not writing

:17:00. > :17:05.genre fiction. William McIlvanney's novel Doherty was a Scottish novel

:17:06. > :17:11.as well. It is accepted that you have to make... I am sorry to cut

:17:12. > :17:14.across you, but I want to get the first choice from everyone else. We

:17:15. > :17:25.are almost out of time. Linda Dryden. I think James Robertson, his

:17:26. > :17:42.novel And The Land Lay Still Sent In Smack. -- And The Land Lay Still. I

:17:43. > :17:50.would suggest a novel by Iain Banks. And so would I. One of his books has

:17:51. > :17:55.the greatest twist I have ever read. Thank you all very much indeed.

:17:56. > :18:03.Let's have a look at tomorrow's papers. The Guardian, bank puts

:18:04. > :18:12.brakes on fear of house price bubble. The independent, there we

:18:13. > :18:17.have it, the new MI6 connection. That is all from me. Join Gary on

:18:18. > :18:24.Monday for a special debate on Scottish media. Until then, good

:18:25. > :18:31.night. Hello. Quite a change for our

:18:32. > :18:34.weather on Friday, brighter and breezy for many. Strong winds very

:18:35. > :18:38.much a feature across Scotland, sunny spells and scattered showers.

:18:39. > :18:42.The cloud being chased away by the strength of that wind, sunny spells

:18:43. > :18:45.and scattered showers likely across England and Wales into the

:18:46. > :18:49.afternoon. Most frequent to the north and west of the Pennines,

:18:50. > :18:51.sheltered eastern areas should do better with some sunshine, it will

:18:52. > :18:55.feel pleasant but add on the strength of the winds, Devon or 10

:18:56. > :19:01.degrees, you will need an extra layer. A few showers clearing the

:19:02. > :19:04.south coast. -- seven or 10 degrees. A few isolated showers throughout

:19:05. > :19:08.the afternoon across the North Devon coastline and through much of Wales.

:19:09. > :19:12.As for Northern Ireland, sunny spells and just a few showers to the

:19:13. > :19:16.coastline, further inland it should be largely dry but it will feel

:19:17. > :19:19.quite cold because of that strong north-westerly wind and if you get

:19:20. > :19:23.caught in the rash of showers across the Western Isles, here it will feel

:19:24. > :19:24.disappointing. Some of them