:00:09. > :00:13.Project Volvo was the name they gave Gordon Brown, David Cameron
:00:13. > :00:16.was supposed to be the sports car, how will Ed Miliband define his
:00:16. > :00:21.leadership, and where is he actually going?
:00:21. > :00:28.More and more people are asking, in what direction is Ed Miliband
:00:28. > :00:35.driving his party? Does anybody know? Does he even know?
:00:35. > :00:40.The old infighting of new resurface, with the finger pointing Ed Balls,
:00:40. > :00:43.what kind of team is this. We have a guru flown in to share
:00:43. > :00:53.what he learned with Obama, and find out if Miliband is the right
:00:53. > :00:54.
:00:54. > :00:58.man for the job. The outgoing senator reads NATO's
:00:58. > :01:02.obituary. Future leaders may not consider America's investment in
:01:02. > :01:08.NATO worth the cost. Thugs attacks demonstrator, we will
:01:08. > :01:12.have the latest on state repression inside Syria. In the postmodern
:01:12. > :01:17.scoop of the decade, Sarah Palin's entire e-mail records released to
:01:17. > :01:27.the press, all 24,000 pages. We are joined from Alaska by one of the
:01:27. > :01:30.
:01:30. > :01:36.poor hacks wading through T You don't have to have a car
:01:37. > :01:41.attached to your name but it seems to go with the territory. Gordon
:01:41. > :01:44.Brown was nicknamed Project Volvo, David Cameron was seen as the BMW.
:01:44. > :01:48.After another week with Ed Miliband struggling to find his voice for
:01:48. > :01:52.the leadership of Labour, maybe the car seems less relevant than the
:01:52. > :01:55.entire direction of travel. Tonight, as revelations laid bare the part
:01:56. > :02:00.Miliband's Shadow Chancellor played in the infighting of the Blair-
:02:00. > :02:04.Brown years, we ask where Labour is heading, does Ed have plan, could
:02:04. > :02:12.it involve something that sounds similar to the Tory's Big Brother
:02:12. > :02:16.society. It must have been a relief for Ed Miliband to return to his
:02:16. > :02:21.Doncaster constituency today. He's not had a good week.
:02:21. > :02:25.What's with the IMF backing the Government's economic policy. His
:02:25. > :02:30.own poor showing at Question Time, and today, the Telegraph reopening
:02:30. > :02:34.old Labour sores, by publishing papers once kept by Ed Balls, which
:02:34. > :02:41.show the effort that is the Brownites made to oust Tony Blair.
:02:41. > :02:45.I think what you are seeing is an overhyped version of ancient
:02:45. > :02:48.history, the era of Blair and Brown is over, we are a party looking
:02:48. > :02:55.outwards to the country, not looking inwards and talking to
:02:55. > :02:57.ourselves, that is the way it will be under my leadership. Today the
:02:57. > :03:01.cabinet secretary, Sir Gus O'Donnell, started an inquiry
:03:01. > :03:05.whether the papers were leaked from the education department, where Ed
:03:05. > :03:11.Balls thinks he last had them when he was schools secretary.
:03:11. > :03:15.The documents show how in July 2005, while London was reeling from
:03:15. > :03:19.terrorist bombs and attempted attack, Brown and his allies were
:03:19. > :03:24.planning, plotting maybe, how he could replace Mr Blair. But Ed
:03:24. > :03:28.Balls today denied any plot. The allegation that there was a
:03:28. > :03:31.plot, that there was nastiness, that brutality, it is not true, it
:03:31. > :03:38.is not justified either by a reading of the documents which I
:03:38. > :03:42.saw last night, or by what was happening at the time.
:03:42. > :03:48.Indeed many Labour supporters fear pick and mix, just about sums it up,
:03:48. > :03:52.that Mr Miliband's party lacks distinctiveness, coherence and
:03:52. > :03:56.impact. Where better to discuss whether Labour's got the right
:03:56. > :04:01.ticket, than the London Transport Museum. Increasingly people both
:04:01. > :04:07.within and outside the Labour Party are asking, in what direction is Ed
:04:07. > :04:12.Miliband taking his party? Has he ditched new Labour. Is he
:04:12. > :04:16.now Red Ed taking his party to the left, or has he embarked on some
:04:16. > :04:21.other journey all together. Both Tony Blair and David Cameron, in
:04:21. > :04:26.their first few months as leader of the opposition, made bold
:04:26. > :04:31.pronouncements, giving us some idea of their ultimate destinations. In
:04:31. > :04:38.Blair's case, the ditching of Clause IV, with David Cameron, it
:04:38. > :04:43.was those pictures with huskies and the famous "hug a hoodie" speech.
:04:43. > :04:48.Labour blogger, Dan Hodges, worries Ed Miliband has made no such
:04:48. > :04:52.symbolic gesture. He's just leaving people rather confused. The problem
:04:52. > :04:59.is there are several Ed Milibands floating around. The one standing
:04:59. > :05:03.around at the Labour Party Conference, and then the Ed
:05:03. > :05:08.Miliband saying Ken Clarke should resign on the film sensorsing, that
:05:08. > :05:11.is confusing for the public, he has to explain who he is. People see
:05:11. > :05:14.all the different Ed Milibands floating around, all they know,
:05:14. > :05:18.indeed all of them, have slightly strange voices and look slightly
:05:18. > :05:22.strange and indeed, stab their brother in the back, and he has to
:05:22. > :05:26.explain to the country who he is, before he can start to explain
:05:26. > :05:30.where he's going. Many of those who backed David
:05:30. > :05:36.Miliband fear the younger brother has been too ready to abandon Tony
:05:36. > :05:39.Blair, new Labour and all that. Though, this Blairite says that is
:05:39. > :05:42.not so. I don't think he has ditched new Labour, he talks
:05:42. > :05:46.constantly about the squeezed middle, those people who are
:05:46. > :05:49.feeling very, very under pressure because of the recession, but also
:05:49. > :05:54.because of things like the VAT rise, which the Tories introduced. He is
:05:54. > :05:57.the one who is trying to put himself on the side of those
:05:57. > :06:03.majority of people who have really lost out over the last few years,
:06:03. > :06:07.not the rich, who are gaining from big bonuss in the city, and not
:06:07. > :06:11.those who - bonuses in the city, and not those who are unemployed
:06:11. > :06:15.and on benefit, but those in work and struggling. Some of those
:06:15. > :06:19.advising Ed Miliband want him to follow Barack Obama's lead, and
:06:19. > :06:25.encourage organisation among small communities. Labour's biggest
:06:25. > :06:28.community champion, perhaps, is Morris Glassman, guru of so-called
:06:28. > :06:32.Blue Labour, and a not wholly hostile response to David Cameron's
:06:32. > :06:36.Big Brother society. When Barcelona beat Manchester United in the
:06:36. > :06:41.European Cup Final, what you saw was two different models of
:06:41. > :06:44.globalisation, Manchester United, very new Labour, very financed base,
:06:44. > :06:47.very corporate, where you have the glaze glaze family, who own it,
:06:47. > :06:50.where the family are entirely he is stranged from the company. All the
:06:50. > :06:55.love that Manchester United fans feel for their club, can only be
:06:55. > :06:59.expressed through money. What we say in Blue Labour, there is more
:06:59. > :07:02.than just the price, Barcelona is owned by the fans, they elect the
:07:02. > :07:06.President, they are actively involved in the governance of the
:07:06. > :07:09.club, they have an institute in the club that actually promotes virtue
:07:09. > :07:12.and excellence, with the training of the players. This is something
:07:12. > :07:17.that all Manchester United fans can relate to, there is great
:07:17. > :07:20.traditions in the club, and Barcelona did it, the incredible
:07:20. > :07:23.thing is they are more successful globally. The danger is, if
:07:23. > :07:26.Miliband doesn't come up with something more forceful,
:07:26. > :07:32.distinctive and appealing, he may not last. How long has he got to
:07:32. > :07:36.prove himself? I think he has until next year. We have got the
:07:36. > :07:39.elections in London, I think, people will be looking for success
:07:39. > :07:43.in those elections. If he's not cutting through there and seeing
:07:43. > :07:49.significant and steady opinion poll leads there, then I think he has a
:07:49. > :07:52.political problem. It depends on Ken Livingston, really? It does.
:07:52. > :07:57.Before that, Miliband's direction should become much clearer, we're
:07:57. > :08:03.assured, this autumn, once he gets results from the big reviews he has
:08:03. > :08:06.set up on Labour policy and organisation.
:08:07. > :08:14.Tomorrow's Guardian offers an insight as to what David Miliband
:08:14. > :08:17.might have said as leader in place of his brother. This time is
:08:17. > :08:21.excruciating from Ed Miliband, what are you drawing from it? It is the
:08:21. > :08:26.speech that David Miliband would have given at the Labour conference
:08:26. > :08:30.if he was elected leader. My question is has this been pumped
:08:31. > :08:36.out by an ally of David Miliband in order to take the deficit more
:08:36. > :08:40.seriously, or alternatively, the Guardian's attempt to have their
:08:40. > :08:44.own leak, to trump the Ed Balls leak, of his stuff, in the
:08:44. > :08:48.Telegraph, yesterday and some more of it tomorrow. The interesting
:08:48. > :08:51.thing about what David Miliband would have said is that he would
:08:51. > :08:55.have announced that Alistair Darling, he would be appointed to
:08:55. > :08:58.head a new Labour commission to draw up new rules on public
:08:58. > :09:01.spending, he would have told the conference that it should have been
:09:01. > :09:05.Labour that set up the office of bugetry responsibility, rather than
:09:05. > :09:09.the current coalition. He would have argued that the deficit is the
:09:09. > :09:12.biggest argument in politics, the biggest danger for us, George
:09:12. > :09:16.Osborne says we're in denial about the deficit because he wants us to
:09:16. > :09:20.be, so let's not be, it is a test. The party will only be trusted,
:09:20. > :09:24.David Miliband would have told the conference, when we show in word
:09:24. > :09:28.and deed that the alternative to mean Government is lean Government.
:09:28. > :09:32.Nordz Labour should have faced the deficit issue head - in other words,
:09:32. > :09:39.Labour should have faced the deficit issue head-on. A key ally
:09:39. > :09:44.of Ed Miliband, conducting an internal review of the party, Arnie
:09:44. > :09:46.Graf who worked with Obama in the past, and Elizabeth Truss, a
:09:46. > :09:50.political strategist. We want to look at the future of Labour, that
:09:50. > :09:55.is why we are here? I hope so. all this talk of a new generation,
:09:55. > :09:58.as we have seen, we are rather back in the past, we have loads of
:09:59. > :10:02.Labour supporters looking at what David Miliband might have said if
:10:02. > :10:05.he were Labour leader instead of his brother. We have some looking
:10:05. > :10:08.ahead to see what Ed Balls might do to Ed Miliband. It is not great
:10:08. > :10:12.place for the Labour Party to be? No, the Westminster village, of
:10:12. > :10:16.which you are part, is stuck in the past, looking at documents that
:10:16. > :10:20.have been leaked five, six years old, and more. That's all the past.
:10:20. > :10:25.What Ed Miliband is doing, and what I'm doing in the refounding Labour
:10:25. > :10:30.project, which he is leading s to look to the future, to make sure we
:10:30. > :10:34.have a Labour Party able to cope with the politics of today, which
:10:34. > :10:37.are very, very different from even five or six years ago, with the new
:10:37. > :10:41.social media, with people not joining parties any more, to the
:10:41. > :10:45.same extent, any political party, with people relating to politics in
:10:45. > :10:48.an entirely different way. The need to reach out of our party
:10:48. > :10:53.structures and organise in the community, and where we have done
:10:53. > :10:58.that, like in Edgbaston, in Oxford East and other constituencies, we
:10:58. > :11:01.resisted the national swing, which should have swept the seats aside,
:11:01. > :11:05.like more than 100 Labour MPs were swept away by the national swing.
:11:05. > :11:09.All that have is energy for future, and policies that are coming
:11:09. > :11:13.through, Ed Miliband is already commanding that agenda on the
:11:13. > :11:18.squeezed middle and a couple of other issues. He couldn't define
:11:18. > :11:22.the squeezed middle, it ended up being 90% of the population? I it
:11:22. > :11:26.can tell us what it is, it is not the rich at the top or the poor on
:11:26. > :11:31.benefit, it is great many hard working people hit by high tuition
:11:31. > :11:36.fee, VAT increase, rises in electricity bills, rises in
:11:36. > :11:39.unemployment, and those job security, insecurity is rife, and
:11:39. > :11:47.there are attack ones the health service with the back door
:11:47. > :11:50.privatisation and attacks on the schools system. We know that Ed
:11:50. > :11:55.Miliband had enormous difficulty defining what that was. We have had
:11:55. > :11:59.two dozen policy revue, including to quote "X factor for the many not
:11:59. > :12:05.the view", we have follows showing he has dipped consistently below
:12:05. > :12:11.his own party. Unable to capitalise on the Tory u-turns because he's
:12:11. > :12:15.accused of them himself. He's losing a message here. The latest
:12:15. > :12:18.polls show our lead over the Tories increasing. Ed Miliband is at the
:12:18. > :12:23.beginning of his leadership, he's relatively unknown, he's
:12:23. > :12:29.establishing himself, as he does so he will win more and more
:12:29. > :12:32.popularity. 5,000 new members have joined the Labour Party in the - 6
:12:32. > :12:35.5,000 new members have joined the Labour Party under his leadership.
:12:35. > :12:38.We are gaining members while most are losing them. By this reform
:12:38. > :12:41.programme, that is energiseing the grassroots of the party, there is a
:12:41. > :12:51.world of difference from the Westminster village and gossip
:12:51. > :12:53.
:12:53. > :12:56.around old memos and so forth. And to the Labour Party who is looking
:12:56. > :13:00.to fight this very right-wing Tory Government. You have been flown in
:13:00. > :13:07.by Ed Miliband and the team. If things are as good as Peter Hain
:13:07. > :13:12.says, why are they turning to you, why do they need you? I think what
:13:12. > :13:17.Ed said to me is that what he's trying to do is build a politics
:13:17. > :13:23.that's from the bottom up. That politics has been essentially
:13:23. > :13:27.practised by all parties, more from the top down. He was impressed that
:13:27. > :13:31.our organisation in Baltimore, I work for the Industrial Areas
:13:31. > :13:35.Foundation, the organisation is called Build, they had developed
:13:35. > :13:40.the living wage concept and got the first living wage law passed in
:13:40. > :13:45.Baltimore. That came not from a policy think-tank, but me and my
:13:45. > :13:49.colleagues, and leaders doing hundreds and hundreds of individual
:13:49. > :13:52.meetings with low-wage workers who are saying they can't live on a
:13:53. > :13:56.minimum wage, they need a wage that they can live on. We came up with
:13:56. > :14:00.the concept of living wage, which Ed supports. In terms of how that
:14:00. > :14:04.translates here today, I know you spent the day with Ed Miliband, you
:14:04. > :14:10.are in done caster, you know the UK pretty well know, with what has
:14:10. > :14:15.been your clearest, your most fundamental message for him as
:14:15. > :14:19.leader now? I travelled 14 cities in the UK and in 17 days. I met
:14:19. > :14:25.with over 510 people, both in the voluntary sector and connected to
:14:25. > :14:29.Labour. What I would say to Ed is there is ener gee in the party
:14:29. > :14:37.locally, that is - ener gee in the party locally that is ready to go
:14:37. > :14:40.out and get it. What I found most in this country is people are
:14:40. > :14:43.anxious, they are anxious about the next generation. They are anxious,
:14:43. > :14:47.will there children be able to go to school. They are anxious about
:14:48. > :14:52.their own employment, but they are very anxious about the future of
:14:52. > :14:56.their children. Let's just turn to Elizabeth Truss, this talk of
:14:56. > :15:01.harnessing the potential of the volume steer must sound very
:15:01. > :15:04.familiar to you. - volunteer, must sound very familiar to you, it is
:15:04. > :15:07.The Big Idea society by another name? There is some of the same
:15:07. > :15:11.elements, there is a rejection of the top-down state. The idea that
:15:11. > :15:15.the Government can do everything, that all you have to do is pour in
:15:15. > :15:19.more money, then you will be successful. What I think about the
:15:19. > :15:24.Labour project so far is it does seem to be an element of talking to
:15:24. > :15:29.themselves. What we saw in the AV referendum is a small group of
:15:29. > :15:34.people in the centre of London, in Oxford and Cambridge, voting yes to
:15:34. > :15:38.AV, the so-called progressive majority, somewhere like Doncaster
:15:38. > :15:43.voting 75% against. There is a sense in which Labour has got out-
:15:43. > :15:46.of-touch with its own supporters, and with the aspirations of
:15:46. > :15:50.ordinary people in Britain. Particularly on issues like
:15:50. > :15:55.education, which has just been talked about. There has been a
:15:55. > :15:58.failure to back policies like academies, and the English
:15:58. > :16:01.baccalaureate, that will raise performance in schools and bring
:16:01. > :16:04.people in the next generation forward. So essentially wasting
:16:05. > :16:08.your time on the wrong projectss that don't connect with people's
:16:08. > :16:12.real needs? What we are doing is making sure under Ed Miliband that
:16:12. > :16:16.Labour is really in touch with people. It is only a year since we
:16:16. > :16:20.got our second worst result. Since universal sufferage, it was a
:16:20. > :16:25.terrible result in the last general election. We have already bounced
:16:25. > :16:31.back, far more securely than in any comparable period, 1983 I think
:16:31. > :16:35.back to. We were flat on our backs in 1983. We have a growing
:16:35. > :16:40.confidence in the Labour Party, and a real determination to fight a
:16:40. > :16:43.Government that was never having a mandate, as the Archbishop said,
:16:43. > :16:47.the Archbishop of Canterbury said, for these kind of right-wing
:16:47. > :16:50.policies, which are deeply unpopular which are causing great
:16:50. > :16:54.insecurity and are damaging the economy as well, and causing
:16:54. > :16:58.unemployment to rise, and actually causing the deficit to rise as well.
:16:58. > :17:03.Let's naut to Arnie Graf, what do you think - let's put that to Arnie
:17:03. > :17:07.Graf what do you think a centre left party should be offering in
:17:07. > :17:12.2011. You worked with Obama as a young man in the past, do you see
:17:12. > :17:18.the same messages and the same elements applying here now?
:17:18. > :17:22.actually, I don't think Obama's running his presidency as a left of
:17:22. > :17:28.centre person. My interest in and the reason I responded to Ed
:17:28. > :17:32.Miliband, and I believe he is an authentic centre to left person,
:17:32. > :17:37.that's the reason I took an unpaid leave of absence to come here. I
:17:37. > :17:44.hear him talking about income and equality, where the 5% or the 2%
:17:44. > :17:48.make a huge amount of money, and the rest don't. I hear him talking
:17:48. > :17:52.about responsibility and reciprocity, I hear him talking
:17:52. > :17:59.about, today in Doncaster, and I believe him when he says he's
:17:59. > :18:03.looking for real citizenship. That is a citizen is not a person
:18:03. > :18:06.treated like a customer, as the market does, or as a client, that
:18:06. > :18:12.often time the state does. That is interesting. What is the vision
:18:12. > :18:17.here, is it this phrase we're now getting used to, Blue Labour, the
:18:17. > :18:21.idea of the actism, the community, is that where - activism, the
:18:21. > :18:25.community, is that where you are going now? What Ed Miliband is
:18:25. > :18:28.determined to do is not rush into policies in a situation that may be
:18:28. > :18:32.totally different from what it is in three-and-a-half years time in
:18:32. > :18:38.the run up to a general election. So, yes, the Blue Labour critique
:18:38. > :18:41.is something he's interested in and listening to, it is stressing the
:18:41. > :18:44.importance of community, the fact that people are feeling very
:18:44. > :18:48.insecure when their local post offices close, their pubs close,
:18:48. > :18:52.their way of life seems to be swept aside in a materialist free market
:18:52. > :19:00.frenzy that this Government is encouraging. It doesn't mean to say
:19:00. > :19:05.Blue Labour is our masthead, it is just part of a debate. You have Red
:19:05. > :19:08.Toryism, is Philip Blonde suggesting anything so different
:19:08. > :19:12.for you? If I could make a point about the way Labour are
:19:12. > :19:17.approaching t they are bringing in academics and people from outside.
:19:17. > :19:20.Ed Miliband himself is the son of an academic, there seems to be a
:19:20. > :19:24.very narrow group of people in the Labour Party than there was
:19:24. > :19:29.previously were they had broader representation from working people
:19:29. > :19:32.who had got into the Labour Party. Now it does seem to be very
:19:32. > :19:36.academically focused, it is focused on thinking about these ideas,
:19:36. > :19:41.rather than actually talking to people, the real people in Britain,
:19:41. > :19:45.who represent these aspirations. I think when the Conservative Party
:19:45. > :19:50.really started to get a grip and get out of opposition, it was when
:19:50. > :19:54.we went out and listened to what real people were saying, rather
:19:54. > :19:59.than having these senior common room discussions about political
:19:59. > :20:02.philosophy. I think you know, Ed Miliband is in danger of coming
:20:02. > :20:05.across like, that rather than coming across as someone who can
:20:05. > :20:09.talk human, which was always meant to be his advantage over his
:20:09. > :20:15.brother. Too much ideology, and less
:20:15. > :20:23.practical hands-on understanding? No, I don't agree. I mean I think
:20:23. > :20:30.that what I have seen out in the country, I visited, I counted it up,
:20:30. > :20:36.511 people, in 14 cities in 17 days, I immersed myself in the country.
:20:36. > :20:41.Whether it was Scotland or Wales or all over the country. I find in
:20:41. > :20:47.Labour a lot of activism, it is not the kind of activism and work that
:20:47. > :20:54.gets picked up by the national media, but I was on council estates,
:20:54. > :21:01.where there is a wonderful councillor, Labour councillor, gene
:21:01. > :21:08.Hutchins, who for four years, worked with the people in thes
:21:08. > :21:12.state, to clean up the gang activity, she did it, even though
:21:12. > :21:16.her life has been threatened numerous times, there is security
:21:16. > :21:20.cameras on her home. When I was on the estate she had two policemen
:21:20. > :21:26.working with her. These are the individual stories of courage, can
:21:26. > :21:28.they be knitted together under the personality and leadership of
:21:28. > :21:34.somebody like Ed Miliband? Absolutely, I don't think he would
:21:34. > :21:38.send me out in a blank slate, completely trusting that I would go
:21:38. > :21:46.out and talk with people, no particular agenda, to get a pulse,
:21:46. > :21:50.to get a feel, and you know, all I would say, back to the Conservative
:21:50. > :21:54.Party is if you cut the police the way you are requiring it to, and
:21:54. > :22:04.you call it The Big Idea society, if you eadvise rate the state, you
:22:04. > :22:19.
:22:19. > :22:22.are going to - eviseate about people without the police. To the
:22:22. > :22:25.Robert Gates said NATO declared the real possibility of a dim and
:22:25. > :22:30.dismal future. He said Americans would be less
:22:31. > :22:36.willing to support an organisation, whose partners, Europe, were
:22:36. > :22:41.unhappy to donate their resources to the organisation.
:22:41. > :22:45.Has it galvanised other countries in NATO to contribute to
:22:45. > :22:49.organisations. Which way will this go? This wasn't a take this job and
:22:49. > :22:53.shove it speech, it wasn't even a take this western alliance and
:22:53. > :22:56.shove it. It was him saying, frankly there are plenty of people
:22:56. > :23:01.in Washington who have concluded it's time to take the western
:23:01. > :23:05.alliance and shove it. The bugetry context is overwhelming, there are
:23:05. > :23:07.plans to cut $400 billion out of the US defence budget over the next
:23:07. > :23:13.few years. He was saying effectively to the rest of NATO,
:23:13. > :23:17.the free ride is over, this is a turning point in history, here's
:23:17. > :23:23.the flavour. The blunt reality is there will be dwindling appetite
:23:23. > :23:27.and patience in the United States Congress and in the American body
:23:27. > :23:31.politic writ large, to spend increasingly precious funds on
:23:31. > :23:34.behalf of naits that are apparently unwilling to devote the necessary
:23:34. > :23:40.resources or make the necessary changes to be serious and capable
:23:40. > :23:43.partners in their own defence. So the message was, in a long line
:23:43. > :23:46.of American defence secretaries, who have warned NATO about this
:23:46. > :23:51.issue of burden sharing who does what, how much of the burden is
:23:51. > :23:56.carried, but in a completely different sort of context, a par
:23:56. > :24:00.dime shift, if you like, - pardigm shift, if you like, that these
:24:00. > :24:06.bugetry realities make it a different game. He singled out
:24:06. > :24:09.Libya, symptomatic of the failings? The point he was making about Libya
:24:09. > :24:14.and Afghanistan, this is not a devisive war, it is something the
:24:14. > :24:18.whole alliance has agreed is a good and proper thing to do, to support
:24:18. > :24:22.the opponents of Colonel Gaddafi, and yet look at who actually
:24:22. > :24:27.delivers what towards that end? So, for example, 28 countries in NATO,
:24:27. > :24:31.how many of them are actually involved in the operations to
:24:31. > :24:34.secure the no-fly zone and whittle down Colonel Gaddafi's forces. The
:24:34. > :24:38.number involved in the operation as a whole is only half the alliance,
:24:38. > :24:45.14, some of those like Greece, it is basically providing facilities
:24:45. > :24:48.who are actually flying the combat sort at thiss, bombing - sorties,
:24:48. > :24:53.bombing Colonel Gaddafi's forces, eight of those, even the capability
:24:53. > :24:56.of some of those is very small, like Norway, just a few aircraft.
:24:56. > :24:59.He's saying everything has been whittled down to such a point, this
:24:59. > :25:03.is the limit of what NATO can provide. Even those countries that
:25:03. > :25:07.have the political will and capability, like the UK, and the
:25:08. > :25:12.advanced weapons to use, in a precision way to take out targets
:25:12. > :25:16.like Colonel Gaddafi's force, if he look at, for example, a weapon like
:25:16. > :25:20.the Brimstone missile, which the RAF has been using, after a few
:25:20. > :25:26.weeks of that, we can see one of those knocking out a Libyan tank a
:25:26. > :25:30.few weeks ago. After a few weeks of that the UK was running out of the
:25:30. > :25:33.missiles. Even the countries on the American good guy list haven't
:25:33. > :25:36.invested enough historically. He was saying, there is a generational
:25:36. > :25:43.shift going on in politics in Washington, and this simply won't
:25:43. > :25:49.wash any more. Future US political leaders, those
:25:49. > :25:53.form whom the Cold War was not the formative experience it was for me.
:25:53. > :25:57.May not consider the return on American investment in NATO worth
:25:57. > :26:01.the cost. What I have sketched out is the real possibility for a dim,
:26:01. > :26:09.if not dismal future for the transatlantic alliance. Such a
:26:09. > :26:13.future is possible, but it is not inevitable. If this is the rattling
:26:13. > :26:19.of a tin, cough up for NATO will suffer. How many of the member
:26:19. > :26:29.states will listen and commit more? Just as you were talking about the
:26:29. > :26:29.
:26:29. > :26:33.retreat of Big Brother society, and big Government in the UK. It is
:26:33. > :26:39.accepting that in situations like Syria, 25 people apparently killed
:26:39. > :26:43.by Mr Al-Assad's security forces there. Tanks moving into the town
:26:43. > :26:47.of Al-Shughour, reports unconfirmed of attack helicopters being used
:26:47. > :26:52.against crowds in one place. But things like this will become more
:26:52. > :26:57.and more common place, the political will isn't there, the UK-
:26:57. > :27:02.US UN resolution supposed to be voted on today has stalled, lack of
:27:02. > :27:08.will, the military capability isn't there, crucially the international
:27:08. > :27:18.community will be reduced to hand wringing and phrases from the side
:27:18. > :27:19.
:27:19. > :27:23.Journalists collected 75,000 pages of Sarah Palin's u mails. The boxes
:27:23. > :27:27.were released only after much resistance from officials. It shows
:27:27. > :27:31.her e-mail account at the time of the election, and when she was
:27:31. > :27:37.picked to be John McCain's running mate. The interest is huge, but
:27:37. > :27:42.does any of it shed new light on Palin. One of the poor hacks whose
:27:42. > :27:51.job it is to trail through the papers is with us now.
:27:51. > :27:56.Good of you to join us, has it been worth it so far? You have to say it
:27:56. > :27:59.is pretty early doors. We have six enormous boxes. I felt most of this
:27:59. > :28:04.morning like a furniture removal guy, carrying these boxes round,
:28:04. > :28:07.which is the new version of multitasking. They are 2 4,000
:28:07. > :28:11.pages of the documents, we have started to plough our way through
:28:11. > :28:15.them, we are at the very beginning, so far a lot of smoke and not yet
:28:15. > :28:20.the smoking gun. We are waiting to find that key bit of information
:28:20. > :28:24.that we didn't know yet about Sarah Palin. How do you do that, 24,000
:28:24. > :28:29.pages. Presumably there is the kind of round-Robin e-mail joke taking
:28:29. > :28:32.up half of it? There is a lot of pad anything there. Quite a lot of
:28:32. > :28:36.it is actually deeply dull. There have been some interesting things
:28:37. > :28:41.coming out so far. We are doing it scatter gun at the moment,
:28:41. > :28:44.hopefully we will enlist read Tories help us. It is very Alaskan
:28:44. > :28:48.this, they had digital e-mails, they had to print them out on paper
:28:48. > :28:52.and hand them on the paper, saying they didn't have the technology to
:28:52. > :28:55.give us discs. Now we have been busy scanning them back in again
:28:55. > :28:59.into digital form. By the end of today and early tomorrow, we should
:28:59. > :29:04.have them all up on the website, we are going to ask our readers to
:29:05. > :29:08.help us find the very best bits. What are your top favourites so far.
:29:09. > :29:13.Talk us through what you have found that caught your fancy? You have to
:29:13. > :29:18.say so far it has been quite Alaskan. My favourite document so
:29:18. > :29:22.far is this one, in which Sarah Palin is invited to join a public
:29:22. > :29:26.education campaign about bears in Alaska, teaching people about the
:29:26. > :29:30.safety around bears. So that's one thing. She also got very worried
:29:30. > :29:33.about tanning. She bought a tanning bed for the governor's mansion, she
:29:33. > :29:37.was very distressed when the local paper found out about it, she
:29:37. > :29:42.wanted to know how they got the information and what were the staff
:29:42. > :29:45.going to do about it. Quite Sarah Palinesque, some of it, she talks
:29:45. > :29:53.about asking God for guidance on how to push through the budget,
:29:53. > :29:59.which is slightly worrying, and she is very Palinesque language, she
:29:59. > :30:05.talks about "unflipping believable" and "bs", which I'm sure you know
:30:05. > :30:15.what that is. Let me just quickly run you through
:30:15. > :30:37.
:30:37. > :30:44.That's it for tonight. We leave you with a tribute to the wisdom of
:30:44. > :30:54.baseball legend and fill loss fear Yogey Bear, who said it ain't over
:30:54. > :31:04.
:31:04. > :31:06.# So many tears I've cried # So much pain inside
:31:07. > :31:11.# Baby it ain't # Over till