:00:09. > :00:14.Tonight, America steps back from the brink of a debt default, but
:00:14. > :00:18.has the crisis fatally damaged Barack Obama's capacity to lead?
:00:18. > :00:22.Voters may have chosen divided Government, but they sure didn't
:00:22. > :00:25.vote for dysfunctional Government. With Wall Street plunging tonight,
:00:25. > :00:30.we will ask former presidential candidate, Howard Dean, about the
:00:30. > :00:35.stalling of the US economy, and the splutering of Obama's re-election
:00:35. > :00:40.campaign. With the eurozone also wobbling,
:00:40. > :00:43.will Euro-sceptics strengthen their demands for renegotiating Britain's
:00:43. > :00:50.terms of entry. Still no sign of military
:00:50. > :00:55.intervention in Syria, is the lack of co-here is ive unity in the
:00:55. > :01:01.country affecting the change. Hundreds of smear tests go
:01:01. > :01:04.unprocessed, as confusion rages in the pathology labs.
:01:04. > :01:08.America's top military man goes to Afghanistan to say goodbye to the
:01:08. > :01:12.troops w a little help from his friends. They know what they are
:01:12. > :01:22.face, away from their families, trying to fight war on the surface
:01:22. > :01:24.
:01:24. > :01:31.of the moon. It has been called the lowest point
:01:31. > :01:34.in the Obama presidency, and a sugar-coated sat tan sandwich. Both
:01:34. > :01:40.Houses have voted to raise the debt ceiling and cut spending. Any
:01:40. > :01:44.comfort the deal has been done has been overshadowed by the Dow
:01:44. > :01:48.plummeting, Wall Street seems less bothered by the voting on Capitol
:01:48. > :01:52.Hill than the indicators, the US economy is growing so slowly it is
:01:52. > :01:57.reaching stall speed, with very serious consequences for President
:01:57. > :02:00.Obama's re-election efforts next year.What actually did happen
:02:00. > :02:04.today? Basically a deal was done and the most important thing to
:02:04. > :02:07.remember here is a disaster was averted. The disaster that might
:02:07. > :02:11.have happened if the richest country in the world had said we
:02:11. > :02:16.can't pay our bills. Even just for a few days. The Senate approved the
:02:16. > :02:20.deal that was done in the House of Representatives last night,
:02:20. > :02:24.senators voted 76-26 in favour of it. Obama signed it into law, it is
:02:24. > :02:28.clearly a long way from what he wanted. There are two ways to
:02:28. > :02:34.reduce a deficit, you can either cut spending or you can raise taxes.
:02:34. > :02:37.He wanted to do both. But, unfortunately he was prevented from
:02:37. > :02:41.raising taxes from Congress, that was the price of doing the deal.
:02:41. > :02:46.President Obama made it clear that he hadn't given up on the idea of
:02:46. > :02:50.raising taxes in the future. I have said it before, I will say it again,
:02:50. > :02:54.we can't balance the budget on the backs of the very people who have
:02:54. > :02:59.bourne the biggest brunt of this recession. We can't make it tougher
:02:59. > :03:03.for young people to go to college, or ask seniors to pay for more
:03:03. > :03:07.health care, or ask scientists to give up on promising medical
:03:07. > :03:11.research, because we couldn't close a tax shelter for the most
:03:11. > :03:19.fortunate among us. What does this bill do? In economic terms it
:03:19. > :03:25.raises the debt limit, it goes up from $14.3 trillion, to $16.7. They
:03:25. > :03:28.can now borrow up to $16.7 trillion. On top of that, there have to be
:03:28. > :03:33.spending cuts of $2.1 trillion, from the Government over the next
:03:33. > :03:36.ten years. Which sounds impressive, but then you look at how the stock
:03:36. > :03:45.market reacted, as you were mentioning earlier, it wasn't a
:03:45. > :03:50.particularly favourable reaction. The Dow Jones closed more than 280%,
:03:50. > :03:55.that is not a ringing endorsement of the fact that the deal was done.
:03:55. > :04:02.Why didn't they like it? Given that we are talking about this potential
:04:02. > :04:06.calamity, Wall Street was distracted, it wasn't watching
:04:06. > :04:11.Washington but mane Street USA, there are a number of worrying
:04:11. > :04:13.figures out today. We saw consumer spending with the first fall in two
:04:13. > :04:17.years. Yesterday we had manufacturing showing a downturn
:04:17. > :04:20.for the first time in two years. The crucial thing, of course, is
:04:20. > :04:23.growth, if consumers aren't spending, normally consumer
:04:23. > :04:26.spending is two thirds of the growth the US gets. At the moment
:04:26. > :04:35.you are looking at spending which is looking very depressed. You have
:04:35. > :04:42.had growth of a feeble 1.3%. So main Street USA isn't looking
:04:42. > :04:47.healthy. This all began with the United States maintaining the AAA
:04:47. > :04:52.credit rating? One credit agency said the US can deep the AAA status.
:04:52. > :04:55.You have also had some endorsement from the IMF. All eyes will be on
:04:55. > :05:00.Standard & Poor's, they were the one that is warned if a serious
:05:00. > :05:04.deal wasn't done when the US wouldn't deep their AAA credit
:05:04. > :05:08.rating. They wanted $4 trillion off the deficit, they have only got
:05:08. > :05:12.barely half that. With the economic back drop, I referred to there, and
:05:12. > :05:16.the fact that unemployment is more than 9%, they have to keep a very
:05:16. > :05:23.serious watch on the US economy, just in order to keep their
:05:23. > :05:26.credibility. What could happen, if they do lose their AAA status that
:05:26. > :05:29.could still happen, is the cost of money could go up, and with the
:05:29. > :05:34.state of the economy, that is the last thing you need. For their
:05:34. > :05:40.thoughts on the political prospect ace head, I'm joined by consultant
:05:40. > :05:43.Taylor Griffin, who worked on John McCain in the last election, and
:05:43. > :05:46.Howard Dean, a former senator himself, and a former Party
:05:46. > :05:51.Chairman. Howard Dean, do you think Barack
:05:51. > :05:55.Obama did emerge from this as the biggest loser? I think he emerged
:05:55. > :05:58.the big winner. Any time you get something done the President gets
:05:58. > :06:03.the credit, when something doesn't get done the President gets the
:06:03. > :06:07.blame. I think this was a baby step, they kicked the can mostly down the
:06:07. > :06:11.road. A lot of tough decisions haven't been made yet. I think the
:06:11. > :06:15.fact this was averted is mostly down to help President Obama, and
:06:15. > :06:19.if you look at the ratings of Congress, they are extraordinary.
:06:19. > :06:23.There was a poll out yesterday, 70% of the respondants did something
:06:23. > :06:31.they had never done before, they gave words, instead of just
:06:31. > :06:35.answering yes or no, or on a scale of one to ten, they used words like
:06:35. > :06:39."ridiculous, "outrageous, "badly behaved", to describe the Congress.
:06:39. > :06:42.They had a 2% popularity rate in this poll. I think the President
:06:42. > :06:46.has easy competition now. I think it will be a close race, but any
:06:46. > :06:51.kind of deal would benefit the President. Taylor Griffin, do you
:06:51. > :06:54.take that criticism of Congress on board a lot of people looking at
:06:54. > :06:59.the speaker, John Boehner, saying he couldn't run his own party,
:06:59. > :07:03.never mind the Republicans running the country? Governor Dean is
:07:03. > :07:05.exactly right. The President definitely avert add really
:07:06. > :07:09.popularity disaster here if that deal hadn't gotten done. The view
:07:09. > :07:12.of Congress is very negative, and the public's view of the
:07:12. > :07:16.President's handling is a little better than Congress. But the
:07:16. > :07:20.bigger problem the President now has going forward, is that this
:07:20. > :07:24.debt deal sets a lot of things in motion to keep these fiscal issues
:07:24. > :07:28.on the front burner from now until the 2012 election, and going
:07:28. > :07:32.forward. That's an area where Republicans have a bit of an
:07:32. > :07:38.advantage, it will be tough for the President to deal with, especially
:07:38. > :07:43.considering the economic news that he will get blamed for asle. Some
:07:43. > :07:47.Democrats said this is a sat tan sandwich, one put it colourful -
:07:47. > :07:51.Satan sandwich, one put it colourfully, and hit the poor, and
:07:51. > :07:55.make America not vote for President Obama? I said I was from the
:07:55. > :08:00.Democratic wing of the Democratic party, the more progressive end of
:08:00. > :08:04.the spectrum. I don't think on the face of it the deal is that bad. We
:08:04. > :08:07.don't know what will happen in November when this commission has
:08:07. > :08:12.to come forward with some ideas. But the President does have some
:08:12. > :08:16.tools in its tool box, one of which is the Bush tax cuts expire in
:08:16. > :08:19.early 2013 he can let them expire, that will bring in a substantial
:08:19. > :08:23.amount of revenue to start to balance the budget. This is a tough
:08:23. > :08:28.one. I actually agree with Taylor, I think even though the President
:08:28. > :08:32.gets a short-term bounce out of this, it is a long-term economy
:08:32. > :08:35.staying bad he has a tough election. I think he will get re-elected, I
:08:35. > :08:39.don't think the Republicans can say they are running because they are
:08:39. > :08:43.not Barack Obama. That will not work. Governor Dean, do you accept
:08:43. > :08:46.that spending cuts will hurt the poor, as the Democratic wing of the
:08:46. > :08:49.Democratic party, that is not what many Democrats want to hear, that
:08:49. > :08:53.is why they are some what irritated by the President? The spending cuts
:08:53. > :08:56.we have seen so far are by and large not a disaster. The health
:08:56. > :08:59.care was left alone, social security was left alone. Those
:08:59. > :09:04.things matter enormously. The college opportunities were left
:09:04. > :09:09.alone. The problem is what happens in November, there could be
:09:09. > :09:12.substantial cuts to Medicare, those fall mostly on providers. There is
:09:12. > :09:16.a, I love the timebombs, in every piece of legislation that comes
:09:16. > :09:22.through. I had to read the whole bill, I'm not very good at because
:09:22. > :09:26.I'm not a lawyer. One of the things says in the Medicare cuts are more
:09:26. > :09:30.than 2%, then you take across the board cuts of all discretionary
:09:30. > :09:33.spending, that would hurt the poor and be a huge problem. We don't
:09:33. > :09:37.know. They kicked the can down the road, they did get the deal done,
:09:37. > :09:40.but they haven't really put a dent in the deficit.
:09:40. > :09:44.One of the problems for the Republican party, is you have a
:09:44. > :09:48.great opportunity in 2012, but equally, as a party, you are
:09:49. > :09:53.perfectly capable of picking one or two candidates who most Americans
:09:53. > :10:00.think are pretty loony? That's one of the dangers here. Is this has
:10:00. > :10:06.ban victory for the TEA Party wing of the Republican party, which is
:10:06. > :10:10.not happy with it. So to speak. They are going to be looking for a
:10:10. > :10:14.candidate that really supports fixing what they think is a bad
:10:14. > :10:19.debt deal, if that means the Republicans end um nominating
:10:19. > :10:23.somebody like Michelle Backman who would be more of a challenge to
:10:23. > :10:27.elect in an election, this could be a negative thing for the
:10:27. > :10:30.Republicans. If it keeps the focus on fiscal issues, that is where the
:10:30. > :10:34.Republicans can make headway with it. They have a lot to prove
:10:34. > :10:42.between now and the election, that they can handle it better. I know
:10:42. > :10:47.you will remember 1995 and 196, where Clinton portrayed Congress as
:10:47. > :10:51.wreckers, that is the kind of rhetoric that we will hear in the
:10:51. > :10:54.next 12 months? This is where I disagree with Taylor, or sort of
:10:54. > :10:57.agree. I think the TEA Party is doing enormous damage to the
:10:57. > :11:02.Republican party, while people want the deficit under control, I think
:11:02. > :11:06.Taylor is right in terms of saying the Republicans have pushed the
:11:06. > :11:12.issue here and gotten some deficit reduction, they don't want to cut
:11:12. > :11:18.Medicare and social securities, they don't want to push Medicade,
:11:18. > :11:25.which is a poor people's benefit in most situation, they don't want to
:11:25. > :11:29.see benefit cuts. The privatisation bill of Medicare
:11:29. > :11:35.will be an albatross around every Republican's neck when they run in
:11:35. > :11:40.the fall. Some of the Republican's numbers, in Florida they are in the
:11:40. > :11:44.20s, and Wisconsin is losing recall elections, and that could be
:11:44. > :11:47.Democratic Senate in a few weeks. Those are not good things for
:11:47. > :11:51.Republicans running locally, people remember that stuff. Even though it
:11:51. > :11:56.is probably not fair, it is only 87 people in the TEA Party in Congress,
:11:56. > :11:59.that is where people will get the publicity, and that is the
:11:59. > :12:02.Republican brand, that is not good for the party. A last thought,
:12:02. > :12:08.these will be hard economic times in the next year, everyone has
:12:08. > :12:14.agreed on that. What happened on Wall Street bear that is out, won't
:12:14. > :12:16.people possibly rally behind this President given the alternatives?
:12:16. > :12:20.think it will depend what happens with the economy between now and
:12:20. > :12:24.the election. If the economy make as strong rebound, it is not where
:12:24. > :12:28.the economy starts before the election, but how it changes. Is it
:12:28. > :12:32.really getting better substantially or getting worse f it starts to get
:12:32. > :12:36.better before the election people will rally around the President, if
:12:36. > :12:39.not they will be looking for an alternative. It is up to the
:12:39. > :12:43.Republicans to say the President hasn't got it done in the last
:12:44. > :12:48.three years of the term with the economy, we will take a turn, and
:12:48. > :12:51.if we don't get it done we will get fired too. That will be a strong
:12:51. > :12:55.argument for the Republican Cannes if they can present a credible
:12:55. > :12:59.candidate that can make it. Thank you very much. It is not just
:12:59. > :13:01.the United States that can turn an economic crisis into drama, Europe
:13:01. > :13:08.can too. Spain's Prime Minister delayed his holiday plans today,
:13:08. > :13:11.because he needed to check on further problems with the euro. The
:13:11. > :13:14.eurozone's inability to fix itself has prompted talks among
:13:14. > :13:20.Conservatives of bringing powers back from Brussels, and a two-speed
:13:20. > :13:24.Europe, with the UK in the slow lane.
:13:24. > :13:29.Place that still echos with the battles of the Conservatives'
:13:29. > :13:34.political past. Don't bind my hands, when I am negotiating on behalf of
:13:34. > :13:36.the British nation. The pro- Europeans have definitely won the
:13:36. > :13:40.territorial dispute, the former Conservative Central Office is now
:13:40. > :13:45.the EU's London home. But the ideolgical struggle seems to be
:13:45. > :13:51.going the other way. With some reading in the current upheels in
:13:51. > :13:57.the single currency, a chance to - upheavals in the single currency, a
:13:57. > :14:01.chase to push further away, you should never waste a good crisis.
:14:01. > :14:06.With the new intake of Conservative MPs, this is an historic chance to
:14:06. > :14:11.get real change in Europe. Unlike their predecessors, they don't
:14:11. > :14:18.carry the battle scars of all the euro disputes carried out in the
:14:18. > :14:23.building behind me. For them this is chance to discuss and solve an
:14:23. > :14:27.issue that has been poisonous for a generation. The new intake in the
:14:27. > :14:32.field sense something is wrong in Europe, that we need to see reform.
:14:32. > :14:35.But, they do not want to withdraw all together. They want to find a
:14:35. > :14:40.third way, between withdrawal and the status quo.
:14:40. > :14:44.When David Cameron goes to Brussels, he knows that behind him the
:14:44. > :14:50.Conservative Party is more united than ever on Europe. But, they are
:14:50. > :14:54.united in a desire for change. George Eustice, used to be David
:14:54. > :14:58.Cameron's press secretary, he's now a Conservative MP. When parliament
:14:58. > :15:04.returns in the autumn, he's form Agnew group of MPs, trying to make
:15:04. > :15:07.sure that they get the change that he says we need. The Conservative
:15:07. > :15:10.Party is unanimous on this, in temples want to go stay in the
:15:10. > :15:14.European Union, but to fundamentally change the way it
:15:14. > :15:18.operates. I think that applies also to our Prime Minister. What we're
:15:18. > :15:22.trying to do with the group we are forming, is to identify where the
:15:22. > :15:24.centre of gravity is of the Conservative Party, to press for
:15:24. > :15:30.real radical, genuine reform of the European Union.
:15:30. > :15:34.So, where might the reforms start? High up on the new group's target
:15:34. > :15:38.list are employment and social law, financial services regulation, and
:15:38. > :15:43.justice and home affairs law. These could be relatively easy wins, but,
:15:43. > :15:50.there would be much more resistance in Europe, to major institutional
:15:50. > :15:53.reform. No-one wants to revisit the whole institution issue. Reform of
:15:53. > :15:56.the Common Agricultural Policy and common fisheries policy, has
:15:56. > :16:01.frustrated a whole generation of British politicians. In Europe,
:16:01. > :16:05.among the leaders at least, there seems to be an impetus going in the
:16:05. > :16:08.other direction. Politicians like Nicolas Sarkozy, pressing for more
:16:08. > :16:13.integration, particularly tax and spending harmonisation for those
:16:13. > :16:19.countries in the euro. If the rest of Europe decides to go ahead and
:16:19. > :16:23.create a fiscal union, eventually they will have to incorporate those
:16:23. > :16:28.changes into the treaty, and have our consent. That gives us an
:16:28. > :16:33.incredibly strong hand and powerful bargaining position. In order to
:16:33. > :16:39.make good on, that we have to have a sense of ambition on it, we can't
:16:39. > :16:42.see this as subsidiarity, or renegotiating the 48-hour aspects
:16:42. > :16:45.of the Social Chapter, we need sensible ambition, and a good team
:16:45. > :16:50.of diplomats in Brussels who understand what a victory looks
:16:50. > :16:54.like, and a clear shopping list of all the areas of public policy
:16:54. > :16:58.where we think we are better off running ourselves than having this
:16:58. > :17:03.country governed by Brussels. The omens for those Conservatives
:17:03. > :17:06.who want to reform Europe couldn't be better. It is clear things will
:17:06. > :17:10.change as a result of the eurozone crisis the status quo, as they say,
:17:10. > :17:17.is not an option. And the Conservative Party is more united
:17:17. > :17:20.on Europe than it has perhaps ever been. But, and it is a fairly
:17:20. > :17:23.sizeable but, at this auspicious movement in history they find
:17:23. > :17:27.themselves in coalition with the Liberal Democrats, traditionally
:17:27. > :17:30.the most Euro-enthusiastic party in British politics. The Liberal
:17:30. > :17:34.Democrats also believe in devolution, one of the things we
:17:34. > :17:37.are arguing is not outright hostility to the European Union,
:17:37. > :17:40.but we are arguing effectively for powers to be transferred back to a
:17:40. > :17:44.national level. You think that is entirely consistent with a party
:17:44. > :17:49.like the Liberal Democrats, who believe, let's face it, in localism,
:17:49. > :17:53.and devolved powers. The Conservatives and the European
:17:53. > :17:57.projects, have both moved a long way, since the big Tory bust-ups of
:17:58. > :18:01.the past. A more united and clear Conservative backbench voice on the
:18:01. > :18:06.issue, though, promises to put pressure on the current Prime
:18:06. > :18:12.Minister. I'm joined now by the Conservative
:18:12. > :18:17.MP, John Redwood and Lib Dem MEP, Boles. How quickly - Sharon Bowles,
:18:17. > :18:20.how quickly could you start doing this? I think it has to be done
:18:20. > :18:23.very quickly, because the agenda of the European Union demands it. It
:18:23. > :18:27.is not a question of whether Britain wants a two-speed Europe or
:18:27. > :18:31.not, we know the group of Euroland countries now feel they need to
:18:31. > :18:34.make very rapid advances to a very strong central economic system.
:18:34. > :18:37.think they are probably right in that from their point of view?
:18:37. > :18:41.don't think it will work for all the mess, I would advise them to
:18:41. > :18:44.have viewer members, but they have to try something because their
:18:44. > :18:47.currency is besieged and under enormous pressure, I fear it will
:18:48. > :18:52.do huge economic damage, I wouldn't want Britain to stand in their way,
:18:52. > :18:55.if they think they can make a real go of it. It is an opportunity for
:18:55. > :18:59.you to renegotiate some of the things David was saying in the
:18:59. > :19:02.report? I'm not saying it is an opportunity, I'm saying the Euro-
:19:02. > :19:06.crisis is so graves and the impact upon jobs and prosperity in western
:19:06. > :19:10.Europe, as we can see, is becoming so serious, I think George Osborne
:19:10. > :19:13.is right, Britain shouldn't stand in the way of these countries
:19:13. > :19:17.trying to mend it, even though I think the remedy may not work. But
:19:17. > :19:21.that requires them to say to Britain, surely, you are not going
:19:21. > :19:25.to be part of this. If they really seriously wanted Britain's debts
:19:25. > :19:29.and Britain's banks in the system as well. I can promise you the
:19:29. > :19:35.markets would destroy it overnight. What do you make of it, would it
:19:35. > :19:39.breach the coalition agreement? don't see that it would do that.
:19:39. > :19:42.This was not something that was actually contenaced in the
:19:42. > :19:47.coalition agreement. You would be fine with t you could stay in
:19:47. > :19:50.Government with party that wants to renegotiate? The eurozone is
:19:50. > :19:56.obviously going to go closer together, that is an inevitable
:19:56. > :20:00.consequence. Some people would say it is inevitable from the start and
:20:00. > :20:04.many wanted it. It is obviously a good thing for the UK if the
:20:04. > :20:10.eurozone gets its act together, because if there is chaos there,
:20:10. > :20:15.the contamination on to our economy is huge. But I think one has to
:20:15. > :20:21.handle with care any idea of saying well we're not going to stand in
:20:21. > :20:25.your way, but we will put a price upon it. You will be outside the
:20:25. > :20:29.logic? But there will be many other countries outside as well, all
:20:29. > :20:33.those who have to join, it will be harder to join the eurozone when it
:20:33. > :20:37.is a fiscal union, many things, like the single market, still have
:20:37. > :20:40.to be done across the 27. You are in favour, as we heart, George
:20:40. > :20:44.Eustice, of devolution, localism, what about a bit of devolution in
:20:44. > :20:47.the EU towards Britain, that would be the argument? I think it would
:20:47. > :20:51.be very dangerous if we tried to cherry-pick, then I think we will
:20:51. > :20:55.soon be put in dunce's corner and ignored again. We have had enough
:20:55. > :21:03.of that following on from the financial crisis. What would be top
:21:03. > :21:06.of the things that you would be looking at, and there? I have a
:21:06. > :21:11.modest proposal, there is danger in cherry-picking item, we might not
:21:11. > :21:15.choose enough or be granted enough. I wouldn't want to accept a huge
:21:15. > :21:19.new set of restrictions on Britain for one or two items to come back.
:21:19. > :21:22.My modest proposal is a deal, you Europe need our agreement to do all
:21:23. > :21:27.the things you think you need to centralise. We promise to giveaway
:21:27. > :21:31.our right to stop you on anything that you want to do, if you, in
:21:31. > :21:36.turn, giveaway your right to insist we do anything that you choose to
:21:36. > :21:43.do. We will choose what we want to do, we will be at the table.
:21:43. > :21:48.will be move the table, you would be out of the room? We would
:21:48. > :21:55.discuss each law in good faith f we like it we do it, if not we don't
:21:55. > :21:59.do it. What is wrong with that? don't see how we would have any
:21:59. > :22:03.allies forming any defences of British positions. Dealing with
:22:03. > :22:07.financial services. You just have to veto it? I don't think you would
:22:07. > :22:10.be given a veto on take it or leave it. And where do you think
:22:10. > :22:13.Britain's place in the international scene is, it will be
:22:13. > :22:15.much, much more through Europe. That is the way we have to
:22:15. > :22:18.negotiate. Isn't the fundamental problem with the Liberal Democrats
:22:18. > :22:21.is you have lost the argument and the British people on the argument,
:22:21. > :22:25.it is not just Britain, where there is growing Euro-scepticism, it is
:22:25. > :22:29.all over Europe, including in Germany. So you are simply on the
:22:29. > :22:34.wrong side of history on this? have to separate out the European
:22:34. > :22:38.Union and the single market, from feelings about the euro. They are
:22:38. > :22:43.quite given. And I think if many people recognised the problems that
:22:43. > :22:48.we would have, with a withdrawal or a partial withdrawal, from the EU,
:22:48. > :22:51.what wo that do for the inward - would that do for the inward
:22:51. > :22:56.investment. They would seeking to, and all foreign investment would go
:22:56. > :23:01.into the core of the eurozone and we would be on the peripheral.
:23:01. > :23:06.know that is not true, Britain is not within the principal club in
:23:06. > :23:09.Europe, the euro, the biggest driver of finance, thank goodness
:23:09. > :23:12.we are not. Our gift is staying out of it, and we would have destroyed
:23:12. > :23:15.it because of the different type of economy and the big debts we have
:23:15. > :23:19.got. We know we can get inward investment and trade with Europe
:23:19. > :23:21.without being part of the euro. What Euro-sceptics wish to say is
:23:22. > :23:26.we don't have to have all the common laws and all the central
:23:26. > :23:31.Government they are imposing other areas either in order to be able to
:23:31. > :23:34.trade very successful with them. We want a looser relationship. If that
:23:34. > :23:39.looser relationship was put to a vote now, that side would win?
:23:39. > :23:44.People always want to vote for cherry-picking, they want to vote
:23:44. > :23:47.for free beer and longer cigarettes. I do not believe this is something
:23:47. > :23:51.that would be on offer and be available. Attempting to negotiate
:23:51. > :23:56.it would do us a great deal of harm, that we would not manage to achieve
:23:56. > :24:01.it, and there would be huge retaliation against us on a whole
:24:01. > :24:04.variety of legislation that was important to the EU. Huge
:24:04. > :24:09.retaliation against us? I don't agree with T the EU has a good deal
:24:09. > :24:13.out of Britain, they sell us many more fiscal goods than we sell them.
:24:13. > :24:18.They would want to carry on trading with us, there are international
:24:18. > :24:23.rules requiring them to do so on fair basis. They get a large
:24:23. > :24:28.contribution of cash out of us, and that has gone up. You think we get
:24:28. > :24:32.a lot of trade out of it? I don't agree, the trade makes mutual sense
:24:32. > :24:38.to trade with each other and international agreement now. When
:24:38. > :24:42.we first joined the European Union, it was tarrif based and it helped a
:24:43. > :24:46.bit. But the tarrifs have surpassed with the European Union does. We
:24:46. > :24:50.can be relaxed, I would like to do it in a friendly spirit, I want to
:24:50. > :24:53.stay friends, and trade with them, and some common law that makes
:24:53. > :24:56.sense. But British people feel it is too intrusive and they don't
:24:56. > :25:02.want to end up bossed around and sent big bills for a scheme that
:25:02. > :25:06.seems to be in a lot of trouble. While the world's attention has
:25:06. > :25:11.been diverted by the continuing economic malaise, and other matters,
:25:11. > :25:20.the regime of Bashar al-Assad has slowly been tightening its grip in
:25:20. > :25:23.Syria. As Ramadan begins, a Al- Assad's soldier's militia seems to
:25:23. > :25:27.have killed 140 people, even in the town of Hama, even countries like
:25:27. > :25:32.chine fla and Russia are sounding concerns, but there is no appetite
:25:32. > :25:35.for military intervention. There is a question of whether a coherent
:25:35. > :25:43.policy in Syria is stop the change of regime.
:25:43. > :25:46.It may be a month of fasting and prayer across the Muslim word. But
:25:46. > :25:50.President Assad isn't allowing subjects time for contemplation.
:25:50. > :25:55.The death toll over the last three days is thought to be more than 130.
:25:55. > :26:00.In the city of Hama and elsewhere, protestors have been targeted by
:26:00. > :26:03.Government snipers and tank shells. Today, amateur footage, that can't
:26:03. > :26:13.be verified, apparently shows more military vehicles approaching the
:26:13. > :26:16.
:26:16. > :26:22.town. And protestors burying their dead. They killed with the bombing
:26:22. > :26:26.and the attacks on hospitals. One of them had a sniper shot, and the
:26:26. > :26:34.other he was killed by a bomb. do you think the Government is
:26:34. > :26:39.doing this to you? I think because we are protesting, we are
:26:39. > :26:43.embarrassing them when we protest in huge numbers. It is like a
:26:43. > :26:48.punishment. How do you think can all end, do you think that
:26:48. > :26:52.President Assad can stay in power? No, no, not any more.
:26:52. > :26:57.It is a remarkable testament to the tenacity and bravery of the
:26:57. > :27:01.opposition, that so many ordinary Syrians are still willing, after
:27:01. > :27:05.1700 have already died in the last few months, to risk their lives by
:27:05. > :27:09.going out, unarmed, on to the streets. If anything, the mood in
:27:09. > :27:13.Hama and other cities, is now hardening, with widespread refusal
:27:13. > :27:19.to consider any compromise with the regime. And yet, the opposition are
:27:19. > :27:23.still a long way from victory. One reason, among many, is they have no
:27:23. > :27:27.clear national structure, or leadership. Not surprising in state
:27:27. > :27:31.where independent organisations have been banned for decades.
:27:31. > :27:38.The headquarters of one of Syria's main opposition groups s above a
:27:38. > :27:43.tiling store, in an outer London suburb. I'm going to visit a senior
:27:43. > :27:47.figure in the Muslim Brotherhood. Its exiled members watching today's
:27:47. > :27:49.events back home, have escaped the ruthless oppression of the movement
:27:49. > :27:54.inside Siria. TRANSLATION: The only solution, or
:27:54. > :27:58.way out in Syria, is for this regime to leave power. To give it
:27:58. > :28:03.up. Also there should be a clear and determined international
:28:03. > :28:08.position, which will ensure that this current political regime is
:28:08. > :28:15.isolated. The Syrian people will then be perfectly able to provide
:28:15. > :28:18.an alternative Government. But no- one knows what kind of alternative
:28:18. > :28:25.Government the protestors would provide. The opposition includes
:28:25. > :28:30.Islamists and liberals, leftists and nationalists. And the picture
:28:30. > :28:35.is further complicated by Syria's sectarian divide. About 85% are
:28:35. > :28:43.Sunni Muslim, about 10%, including much of the ruling elite, belong to
:28:43. > :28:47.the Alawite sect. And about 5% are Christians. The regime's played
:28:48. > :28:52.down those divisions. Claiming that it treats all citizens equally. And
:28:52. > :28:57.some, particularly in the minority communities, are now afraid,
:28:57. > :29:06.rightly or wrongly, that they might fare worse under a more democratic
:29:06. > :29:12.Government. In London, not in dam mass cushion there is a television
:29:12. > :29:17.station where Syrians can discuss such issues. This station claims to
:29:17. > :29:21.reach an audience of three million in Syria by satellite. It is openly
:29:21. > :29:24.anti-regime, even giving advice on forms of civil disobedience, but it
:29:24. > :29:27.is honest about divisions within the opposition. If you asked the
:29:27. > :29:32.opposition in public, are you in favour of talks with the regime,
:29:32. > :29:37.they will say no, because they know the mood on the street in Syria is
:29:37. > :29:44.very much anti- holding any talks or dialogue with the Government.
:29:45. > :29:48.However, within closed circle, many are willing, and I would say many,
:29:48. > :29:52.especially those who are independent, who don't have a
:29:52. > :29:55.political party to be answerable to, many of these people are willing to
:29:55. > :29:59.enter into talks with the Government, they believe they can
:29:59. > :30:04.get a political advantage out of this, and maybe believe out of good
:30:04. > :30:08.intention that is they can save the country from spiralling into an
:30:08. > :30:12.armed conflict. After the continued bloodshed of the last month,
:30:12. > :30:16.America's attitude to President Assad has hardened. And today, even
:30:16. > :30:21.Russia, a long time ally of the regime, indicated it wouldn't
:30:21. > :30:24.oppose a UN resolution condemning the crackdown. But the
:30:24. > :30:29.international reaction is still too muted to have much effect on the
:30:29. > :30:35.regime. Some believe a spiral of further violence.
:30:36. > :30:39.State TV is now broadcasting pictures, it claims, show armed
:30:39. > :30:47.protestors. The opposition says such cases are almost unknown.
:30:47. > :30:51.According to some sources, revenge attacks on Government agencies are
:30:51. > :30:56.increasing. There are signs of civil war happening in Syria are
:30:56. > :31:00.showing, it is a reality. There is footage of armed men in Hama,
:31:00. > :31:03.unverified, but still an indication perhaps that people in Hama are so
:31:03. > :31:09.desperate at the moment they are willing to raise arms, and we are
:31:09. > :31:13.talking about Kalashnikovs, rifles, where as the regime has tanks and
:31:13. > :31:17.artillery. It is still possible, many believe,
:31:17. > :31:21.that peaceful resistance in Syria, will eventually topple the regime.
:31:21. > :31:26.But the tipping point is not yet in sight.
:31:26. > :31:29.As we mentioned the UN Security Council has been meeting tonight in
:31:29. > :31:33.an emergency session on Syria. We are joined live from New York. What
:31:33. > :31:37.has bank happening there? We are getting positive noises from the
:31:37. > :31:41.Security Council, they say that they are nearing agreement on the
:31:41. > :31:43.content of some form of statement, after about 24 hours of
:31:43. > :31:48.negotiations. This is based on a British resolution that has been
:31:48. > :31:53.circulating for several months now, which, in essence, condemns the
:31:53. > :31:57.violence in Syria, demands it stops, says that Syria should get serious
:31:57. > :32:01.about political reform. Makes no mention of sanctions or other
:32:01. > :32:04.reform, or military intervention. Despite that for the last couple of
:32:04. > :32:07.months the Europeans have faced stiff opposition from five members
:32:07. > :32:12.of the council, because they feel any resolution or statement could
:32:12. > :32:17.be the first step in the slippery slope of some kind of Libya-style
:32:17. > :32:20.intervention. But the mood here has changed since the violence in Hama
:32:20. > :32:24.at the weekend. One Security Council diplomat said to me there
:32:24. > :32:30.is less tension around the table, we all seem to be speaking the same
:32:30. > :32:36.language to a degree. That seems to include the vote toeholder, Russia
:32:36. > :32:39.and China, they appear to be - veto holder, Russia and China. They
:32:39. > :32:43.appear to be ready to take steps. It will be whether it is a less
:32:43. > :32:48.binding statement or one that will become law. We will find out that
:32:48. > :32:52.tomorrow. A disturbing investigation into
:32:52. > :32:56.cervical cancer tests on young women, the rules were changed in
:32:56. > :33:00.200, moons there is no longer routine screening for women under
:33:00. > :33:07.25. The result has been a chaotic situation where many young women's
:33:07. > :33:10.tests are left unprocessed. Many GPs are unceasingly alarmed,
:33:11. > :33:18.especially as incidences of cervical cancer in women in their
:33:18. > :33:22.late 20 are on the rise. It has never been an enticing
:33:22. > :33:28.prospect, but women have put up with having a smear test, because
:33:28. > :33:35.it is the only way to detect the early signs of cervical cancer.
:33:35. > :33:41.When Jade Goody was diagnosed with the disease, in the full glare of
:33:41. > :33:44.reality TV, it was better than any advertising campaign could have
:33:44. > :33:48.hoped for. She was 27, soon after there was a sharp increase in the
:33:48. > :33:53.number of women going for smear tests. Those under 25 and inspired
:33:53. > :33:59.by Goody were told they were too young for a test. Women used to be
:33:59. > :34:03.routinely screened by the age of 20, in 2003 the Government raised the
:34:03. > :34:07.age to 25, because they said early testing might do more harm than
:34:07. > :34:11.good. We have been approached by GPs who say what this actually
:34:11. > :34:16.means is tests they are carrying out on women under 25, that they
:34:16. > :34:21.think are necessary, are being rejected, in some cases they are
:34:21. > :34:24.destroyed by the labs, just because they fall outside the screening
:34:24. > :34:28.guidelines. The freedom of information request by Newsnight,
:34:28. > :34:32.found hundreds of young women's samples were being rejected. There
:34:32. > :34:37.are 111 labs in England that process smear test, we asked each
:34:37. > :34:42.one what they did with samples from women under 25. 99 of those labs
:34:42. > :34:45.actually responded and told us in total more than 700 women's smear
:34:45. > :34:49.tests were rejected last year on the grounds of age. But it really
:34:49. > :34:53.just seems to depend on where you live. There is this lab here in
:34:53. > :34:56.Manchester that rejected 51 sample, then there is another one in
:34:56. > :35:00.Gateshead that say the strictly speaking it doesn't have to process
:35:00. > :35:04.them, but it does because it is the right thing to do, they said. It
:35:04. > :35:08.all seems to be a bit of a postcode lottery, that means there are
:35:08. > :35:13.hundreds of young women going in for these invasive test that is
:35:13. > :35:20.aren't even going to be looked at. Most cases of cervical cancer is
:35:20. > :35:27.linked to the human papillomavirus virus, that is about unprotected
:35:27. > :35:32.sex, and smoking. GPs say they know who should and shouldn't be tested,
:35:32. > :35:35.they are angry that their clinical acumen is being ignored. Some
:35:35. > :35:41.trusts process them, others won't, they have "zero tolerance", and
:35:41. > :35:45.they are sending them back, what do you think of these? I think if a GP
:35:45. > :35:48.has made a clinical decision to do a smear, that smear should be
:35:48. > :35:53.processed. The decision not to process it should not be made by
:35:53. > :35:59.lab with no details about why that smear is being done. I have known a
:35:59. > :36:03.young women at age 22 die of cervical cancer. Why I work women
:36:04. > :36:07.have sex from an early age, sometimes as young as 13 or 14, it
:36:07. > :36:11.is a brave thing for a young women to present for a smear. Doing a
:36:11. > :36:16.smear and then getting it rejected by a lab, is absolutely horrifying,
:36:16. > :36:20.because it, in a sense, undermines me as the GP, but more so, it
:36:20. > :36:24.undermines the patient who has presented for care.
:36:24. > :36:28.Earlier this year, the Department of Health issued new guidelines,
:36:28. > :36:31.telling labs to take a "zero tolerance" approach to any samples
:36:32. > :36:35.from women under 25. The guidelines clearly are that women under 25
:36:35. > :36:39.shouldn't be screened. The tests have already been done, would it
:36:39. > :36:42.not be better to process the one that is have been done?
:36:42. > :36:47.ultimate answer is it should not have been taken in the first place.
:36:47. > :36:51.In women aged 20-25, one in three will have an abnormal test result,
:36:51. > :36:55.it doesn't mean there is an increased risk of cervical cancer,
:36:55. > :37:00.it means there are transient abnormalities that in most cases
:37:00. > :37:03.would have gone way on their own. But having an abnormal test is
:37:03. > :37:07.anxiety-provoking, very upsetting, and likely to lead on to further
:37:07. > :37:12.investigation and treatment. It is the treatment that can have the
:37:12. > :37:20.future effect on pregnancy outcome. Actually, these women are not being
:37:20. > :37:28.harmed, and in fact they are being benefited by not having their
:37:28. > :37:33.cervical cytoologist test reported. That guideline is not popular with
:37:33. > :37:39.everyone. That is not sensible, it is crazy, companies are well
:37:39. > :37:44.trained doctors, in most practices - GPs are well-trained doctors, in
:37:45. > :37:49.most practices it is a specialist in gynaecology, they can examine
:37:49. > :37:52.the patient and appropriate tests taken, a swab for infection or a
:37:52. > :37:57.smear, as that patient is at more risk of developing a cancer, but to
:37:57. > :38:07.send straight to a gynaecology department is a waste of man power,
:38:07. > :38:09.
:38:09. > :38:13.time, and money, and not sensible. Some campaigners have been
:38:13. > :38:17.campaigning since the age was raised to 25? The feeling is we
:38:18. > :38:22.should offer smears to the age of 20, the British Medical Association
:38:22. > :38:28.thinks the same, they voted 3-1 in favour last year that we should do
:38:28. > :38:32.cervical veening from 20. We don't want to see young women dying.
:38:32. > :38:36.Cervical cancer is a disease that is totally preventable, and the
:38:36. > :38:40.skrooning process is not to find cancer but - screening process is
:38:40. > :38:46.not to find cancer but cells that will turn to cancer later. That is
:38:46. > :38:52.why some labs are ignoring the guidelines. At St Thomas's Hospital
:38:52. > :38:56.in London they accept tests from under 25s because they want to
:38:56. > :39:01.detect the precancerous stage? Women up to 25 are very frightened
:39:01. > :39:06.to find they have cancer, however early. It is not common to get
:39:06. > :39:14.cervical cancer aged 25-29, but the numbers have, in fact, gone up,
:39:14. > :39:18.since 2003. In my view, it is better to treat it when it is CIN3,
:39:18. > :39:23.than when it has already become invasive. That is what cervical
:39:23. > :39:28.screening is all about. Labs say they have written to doctors when
:39:28. > :39:31.they reject a test. But it is not clear if the message gets back to
:39:31. > :39:36.patients. Many will be left wondering why bother having a smear
:39:36. > :39:40.test if it won't be processed. The NHS screening programme has told us
:39:40. > :39:45.it is an evolving system and they hoped the number of unprocessed
:39:45. > :39:47.smear also go down next year, as GPs become more aware of the
:39:47. > :39:51.guidelines. Admiral Mike Mullen, America's top
:39:51. > :39:54.military officer, is on his way back to Washington, after a
:39:54. > :39:58.farewell visit to troops on the battlefields of Afghanistan and
:39:58. > :40:01.Iraq. The outgoing chairman of the joint Chief-of-Staff, told soldiers
:40:01. > :40:04.in Afghanistan that America is winning the war, but it was now
:40:04. > :40:08.time to hand over the fighting to the Afghans. Lyse Doucet was
:40:08. > :40:13.travelling with the Admiral and some of his famous friends on his
:40:13. > :40:18.farewell tour. Admiral Mike Mullen knows the drill. He's made this
:40:18. > :40:21.trip so many times. But every detail is sorted in his world. Even
:40:21. > :40:26.where he stands when he takes the first questions from the small
:40:26. > :40:30.group of journalists travelling with him. I have tried to go during
:40:30. > :40:33.the summers, because it is brutally hot. The engines are already
:40:33. > :40:37.revving. We are heading on to the plane now, heading out to the
:40:37. > :40:42.region again, it is a really tense time, a worrying time, both for
:40:42. > :40:48.Afghans and their supporters what are your thoughts? I get that it is
:40:48. > :40:53.tense and it is worrying, I can tell you this has been a tense
:40:53. > :41:01.engagement and a worrying campaign for years. Have a nice flight?
:41:01. > :41:07.Thanks. It is going to be a long flight.
:41:07. > :41:10.And we are flying cargo. There aren't many direct flights between
:41:10. > :41:15.Washington DC and Kandahar in Afghanistan, if you want to go this
:41:15. > :41:19.is how you have to do it, with the US military. There are not many
:41:19. > :41:23.luxuries on the military transport plane, but they do have the flat
:41:23. > :41:29.bed seats, a few hours sleep on the way. We need t you barely touch
:41:29. > :41:35.ground in Kandahar and we are on the road. First stop, what they
:41:35. > :41:38.call All Hands Call. The 64-year- old Admiral likes to share his
:41:38. > :41:43.experience with the young troops. Many of you succeeded that somebody
:41:43. > :41:48.made a difference in your life. The only thing I ask when I talk to an
:41:48. > :41:51.audience like this is you figure out way to make a difference in
:41:51. > :41:55.somebody else's life. And more importantly, hear from them. This
:41:55. > :41:58.is said to be the bit of the job the Admiral loves, meeting the
:41:58. > :42:03.soldiers on the frontline, and hearing their stories. Handing out
:42:03. > :42:07.coins, or medals is a military tradition. Morale is high in these
:42:07. > :42:13.troops, some aren't clear why they are here. What is the official
:42:13. > :42:17.answer for why we are here still, that you would say to an Afghan who
:42:17. > :42:20.says you got Osama Bin Laden, why are you still here. There is a lot
:42:20. > :42:23.more to Osama Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda is not dead, they are still
:42:23. > :42:28.threatening us, internationally they are still coming after us.
:42:28. > :42:31.They still would choose to kill as many Americans as they possibly
:42:32. > :42:37.comfortable while they are down they are a long way from being out.
:42:37. > :42:42.There is still plenty of work to do. Back to the tarmac.
:42:42. > :42:49.Admiral Mullen has some help on the trip to cheer up the troops.
:42:49. > :42:54.Everyone wants their picture taken. With basketball giant Karl Malone,
:42:54. > :42:59.magician, David Blaine, and the ever-smiling comedian, Jon Stewart.
:42:59. > :43:03.None of these stars have been to Afghanistan before. Admiral Mullen
:43:03. > :43:07.is taking them across the southern provinces that have seen the worst
:43:07. > :43:11.fighting in this war. Our next stop, Mel mand. All this is a novelty for
:43:11. > :43:15.them. But it is their way of showing appreciation for what the
:43:15. > :43:19.troops do every day. The main reason for coming on the trip
:43:19. > :43:26.honestly was to be able to let them know that we are thinking about
:43:26. > :43:29.them Stateside. It is a long war, it is a tough war, and they have
:43:29. > :43:33.bourne the burden of this overwhelmingly, the military
:43:33. > :43:36.families, and just to let them know people are thinking about them.
:43:36. > :43:42.When you go back to the television studio, what will you tell the
:43:42. > :43:45.world about this? This is for me and between me and then. Admiral
:43:45. > :43:49.Mullen's message on this trip is security is much better, but the
:43:50. > :43:54.Taliban are still able to carry out major takes and assassinations. The
:43:54. > :43:59.US sent in tens of thousands of extra troops last year, to try to
:43:59. > :44:05.turn the tide. But this war has gone on for a decade now. This is
:44:05. > :44:11.about the Afghan people, and this is also about putting the Afghan
:44:11. > :44:15.security forces in charge of their own destiny. Over the next few
:44:15. > :44:19.months, some of the US soldiers here could be going home, as part
:44:19. > :44:23.of President Obama's exit plan, but by 2014, the Afghans are meant to
:44:23. > :44:33.be fully in charge. The big question is, will they be
:44:33. > :44:34.
:44:34. > :44:37.ready? These Afghans say they will be.
:44:37. > :44:42.They proudly sing that they are soldiers and they defend their
:44:42. > :44:46.country like lions. There is concern there won't be enough well-
:44:46. > :44:53.trained troops and police to take on a determined enemy like the
:44:53. > :44:58.Taliban. Colonel Aziz heads the training at this base. He says they
:44:58. > :45:02.are Afghan too they can defend their country from any threat. But
:45:02. > :45:07.most Afghans hoped that by now they wouldn't be preparing for war. They
:45:07. > :45:12.would be living in peace. The US and other NATO armies had big
:45:12. > :45:17.dreams. Now there is not much time left. Before these American
:45:17. > :45:21.soldiers will be playing ball back home, hoping they did some good
:45:21. > :45:25.here. Why do you think you are doing something for America here?
:45:25. > :45:32.Not only for America, just, mostly for the civilians of Afghanistan,
:45:32. > :45:37.to better the place. This is a war worth fighting? Yes mam, I do think
:45:37. > :45:41.it is, yes mam. Admiral Mullen knows this is likely
:45:41. > :45:45.to be the last time he's out here with his troops, he know he leaves
:45:45. > :45:50.behind a country beset by major problems, bad Government, big
:45:50. > :45:55.corruption. But it is up to Afghans to sort them. He feels he fought
:45:56. > :46:05.the good fight, even if he knows it's not over.
:46:06. > :46:16.
:46:16. > :46:19.Local health trusts and hospitals will be allowed to develop or buy
:46:19. > :46:22.smaller systems. Miliband plan to curb union hold over Labour Party,
:46:22. > :46:27.that will be an interesting Labour Party Conference. The eurozone
:46:27. > :46:34.problems and the US problems too. The FT has Spain and Italy rushing
:46:34. > :46:37.to stem bond crisis debt costs hit highs for the two countries. The
:46:37. > :46:41.Mail has thousands of bureaucrats recruited since the election,
:46:41. > :46:51.despite Cameron's pledge. That's all from tonight, we're back
:46:51. > :47:16.
:47:16. > :47:19.Good evening, a misty and muggy night. A few thunderstorms in
:47:19. > :47:22.eastern England. Most start Wednesday, dry, fairly cloudy,
:47:22. > :47:27.sunny spells developing. Temperatures rising through the day.
:47:27. > :47:31.A humid day in store, setting us some thunderstorms for eastern
:47:31. > :47:37.parts. North West England and the East Midlands, largely dry and
:47:37. > :47:43.sunny. From the north-east, down to the London area, anyone is at risk
:47:43. > :47:46.from a torrential thunderstorm during the afternoon. Mostly dry on
:47:46. > :47:50.the coast, but sunshine hazy through the afternoon through
:47:51. > :47:54.South-West England and Wales. Here temperatures into the low 20 still
:47:54. > :47:57.feeling humid, especially in those spells of hazy sunshine. Isolated
:47:57. > :48:02.light showers through the afternoon. Northern Ireland stays dry and
:48:02. > :48:07.bright, with some good spells of hazy sunshine. Across Scotland a
:48:07. > :48:11.generally dryer, brighter day than what we saw today, more in the east
:48:11. > :48:14.and it will feel warmer. But it is a changover from Wednesday to
:48:14. > :48:20.Thursday, contrast, temperatures will hold the same for northern
:48:20. > :48:26.areas, but there will be some heavy downpours develops, further south,
:48:26. > :48:31.temperatures take a huge drop, as we knee potentially torrential rain