:00:12. > :00:17.Welcome to Manchester. The world's first industrial city, scene of the
:00:17. > :00:22.Peter Loo massacre, the place where they split the at tomorrow, and now
:00:22. > :00:28.the place of moinggate, going to the highest echelons of the
:00:28. > :00:34.Government. Much will be explained. Much fancy Boris as the next leader,
:00:34. > :00:38.but, according to us, he has written his own political obituary.
:00:38. > :00:42.So there is no chance of you standing for parliament? Not a
:00:42. > :00:52.snowball's chance in Hades. Tories and not a testicle between
:00:52. > :00:57.them, what can this party do to make themselves more attractive to
:00:57. > :01:04.the percentage of population that find themself in this state.
:01:04. > :01:08.It must be the most powerful moggy in British history, not only has
:01:08. > :01:10.had stopped an illegal immigrant being deported from this Government
:01:10. > :01:14.t has caused a political split at the top of Government. It might
:01:14. > :01:18.even rewrite the law. Before the said cat the Conservative Party was
:01:18. > :01:22.planning to tackle the slightly more significant questions of this
:01:22. > :01:31.summer's riots, and whether the Human Rights Act is obliging this
:01:31. > :01:35.country to harbour foreign criminals.
:01:35. > :01:38.She came to her conference in her kitten heels, but the Home
:01:38. > :01:43.Secretary couldn't quite have imagined how the fate of a fee line
:01:43. > :01:46.would come to dominate the coverage of her speech. We all know the
:01:46. > :01:53.stories about the Human Rights Act. The robber who cannot be removed
:01:53. > :01:59.because he has a girlfriend. The illegal immigrant, the illegal
:01:59. > :02:08.immigrant who cannot be deported because, and I'm not making this up,
:02:08. > :02:16.because he had a pet cat. That is why I remain of the view
:02:16. > :02:20.that the Human Rights Act needs to But there was only a brief pause,
:02:20. > :02:25.before judicial sources suggested the Home Secretary's account was
:02:26. > :02:28.littered with errors. They said May was talked about a Bolivian
:02:29. > :02:33.national, he had been allowed to stay, largely because he had
:02:33. > :02:36.acquired a British girlfriend, rather than a pet. And one of
:02:36. > :02:40.Theresa May's cabinet colleagues got into flap over her comments. He
:02:40. > :02:45.hadn't been consulted over her wish to get rid of the Human Rights Act
:02:45. > :02:50.all together. And cast doubt on the voracity of her tale. The cat
:02:50. > :02:53.surprised me, I can't believe anybody was refused deportation
:02:53. > :02:57.because they owned cat. If a cat featured in the case I would be
:02:57. > :03:03.interested to see. In years gone by if a Conservative Home Secretary
:03:03. > :03:06.mentioned a cat, you could be sure they were talking about a form of
:03:06. > :03:11.corporal punishment. But these days anybody occupying the Home Office
:03:11. > :03:15.would find it a tough audience here. With no mun more money to spend on
:03:15. > :03:19.police officers or bigger prisoners, sometimes robust rhetoric has to
:03:19. > :03:23.substitute for policy. If Theresa May hadn't been collared over her
:03:23. > :03:26.comments about the cat, the focus today would have been on the crowd-
:03:26. > :03:32.pleasing response to this year's riots. A lot has been said about
:03:32. > :03:37.the riots and their causes. Let me get one thing straight. In the end,
:03:37. > :03:43.the only cause of a crime is a criminal. Our feral underclass in
:03:43. > :03:47.this country is too big, has been growing, and now needs to be
:03:47. > :03:50.diminished. If people feel that there are no comebacks and no
:03:50. > :03:55.boundaries, and no retribution for the small stuff, then I'm afraid
:03:55. > :04:03.they will go on to commit worse crimes. As planned, all this went
:04:03. > :04:06.down a storm, inside the conference haul hall. - hall. But, cach
:04:07. > :04:10.beneath the surface, there was a discernable gap between the robust
:04:10. > :04:16.rhetoric and reality. The papers had been blaring that Boris Johnson
:04:16. > :04:20.was going to send feckless youths to boot camps. What he actually
:04:20. > :04:26.announced was some afterschool clubs for kids. We set up Team
:04:26. > :04:30.London, which is to make it easier for you, I'm looking at you, to be
:04:30. > :04:34.a mentor, or to read to kids in schools, or to do something as
:04:34. > :04:39.simple as us set up 25 new supplementry schools we will do,
:04:39. > :04:43.modelled a bit on what Ray Lewis is doing, to give some of the most
:04:43. > :04:48.difficult kids, the discipline, boundaries and the love they need.
:04:48. > :04:54.And while Ken Clarke be moaned the lawlessness in some communities, he
:04:54. > :04:58.also believes it would be a brain- free option to bang more people up.
:04:58. > :05:04.Outside the conference, campaigners found a victim, they say it is a
:05:04. > :05:08.more am ambitious response to the riots, which has fallen - a more
:05:08. > :05:11.ambitious response to the riots which has fallen foul. Afterschool
:05:11. > :05:14.clubs have been closing down and holiday play schemes. Those
:05:14. > :05:18.responses are sensible. Let's look at what is missing in those areas
:05:18. > :05:26.and put it back. But the scale so far has been small and it needs to
:05:26. > :05:30.be expanded. Behind closed doors the Prime Minister is rehearsing
:05:30. > :05:34.his speech, I'm told the tone will be optimistic. Nonetheless, he will
:05:34. > :05:38.describe some of Britain's problems as the product of a broken society.
:05:38. > :05:41.Pollsters say this language is very popular. They warn of political
:05:42. > :05:44.dangers if very strong language isn't matched by equally strong
:05:44. > :05:48.action. As on immigration where the Conservatives have talked tough,
:05:48. > :05:51.but finding it harder to deliver in reality, there is a risk if they
:05:51. > :05:54.talk tough on crime and young offenders, and then aren't able to
:05:54. > :05:57.make a palpable difference, that people will become dissatisfied.
:05:57. > :06:02.But they start with a begin presumption by the public that they
:06:02. > :06:06.are the right people on the - a genuine presumption by the public
:06:06. > :06:13.that they are the right people on the law and order policies.
:06:13. > :06:21.this could be overshadowed by what is now being dubbed cat-gate.
:06:22. > :06:26.Perhaps if politicians only mean to leave the party faithful feline
:06:26. > :06:33.good, there is a chance all that was good will be lost.
:06:33. > :06:38.What is the cat called? Maier. it - Maya. Was it consulted before
:06:38. > :06:42.being dragged into it? It is unbelievable, but the junl judge
:06:42. > :06:46.did say this illegal immigrant and his girlfriend had cat, and their
:06:46. > :06:50.family life attributed to the fact he shouldn't be removed from this
:06:50. > :06:53.country. It is extraordinary but it happened. You know what the
:06:53. > :06:56.official position of the judicial officer at the Royal Courts of
:06:56. > :07:00.Justice, that the cat had nothing to do with the decision. Let me
:07:00. > :07:05.quote the judge "the evidence concerning the joint acquisition of
:07:05. > :07:09.Maya, the cat, by the appleant and his partner, reinforces my
:07:09. > :07:14.conclusion of the strength and quality of the family life his he
:07:14. > :07:17.and his partner enjoy", the judge said it was ludicrous and why we
:07:17. > :07:21.need to change the balance of the law. The Home Secretary said he's
:07:21. > :07:26.not making it up, the illegal immigrant cannot be deported
:07:26. > :07:31.because he had a pet cat. That is not what the judge said, he cites
:07:31. > :07:36.the cat as evidence of stable home environment. What do we make of it,
:07:36. > :07:40.the Home Secretary can't get Anam he can dot she has taken out of the
:07:40. > :07:44.Mail right? In the last three months of this year, nearly two-
:07:44. > :07:50.thirds of the deportation appeals succeeded, so we couldn't remove
:07:50. > :07:52.the people, were based on this misinterpretation of Article 8, the
:07:52. > :07:56.family rights under the Human Rights Act. What the Home Secretary
:07:56. > :08:00.was saying today, which is perfectly sensible, we need to
:08:00. > :08:03.rebalance it, to remove people who deserve to be removed. Dominic
:08:04. > :08:09.Grieve, the Attorney General, said the matter of the cat is too
:08:09. > :08:13.complicated for him to comment upon! The matter of the cat has
:08:13. > :08:16.become appallingly complicated. You and I have managed not to have a
:08:16. > :08:19.pun in the last two minutes, this is the longest period of today
:08:19. > :08:23.nobody has made a cat joke. I will start. I don't think this is the
:08:23. > :08:27.serious underlying issue. There is a really serious issue about who we
:08:27. > :08:31.can remove from this issue, the cat flap is not contributing. Sorry, I
:08:31. > :08:36.have started now. Just for the avoidance of doubt, the Justice
:08:36. > :08:41.Secretary said he was sure she was wrong, Theresa May says she wasn't
:08:41. > :08:45.making up. He bet her �5. Who gets the �5? I have heard what Ken said,
:08:45. > :08:48.he said if the cat was involved he would be surprised, he will go and
:08:48. > :08:53.have a look. There was a cat involved in this decision.
:08:53. > :08:56.Theresa May won the �5? They can sort that out among themselves.
:08:56. > :09:00.are now proposing you will rewrite the law? What we are saying is we
:09:00. > :09:04.will change the immigration laws so you get the full effect of Article
:09:04. > :09:08.8. Article 8 has two parts. One says everyone has a right to a
:09:08. > :09:11.family life. The other says, that's OK, except in the following
:09:11. > :09:15.circumstances, including if you are a threat to national security, if
:09:15. > :09:19.you committed a serious crime, and illicit the sort of things you
:09:19. > :09:22.would be expecting to be weighed in the balance. Too often the courts
:09:23. > :09:27.have only taken the individual's right to a family life into account.
:09:27. > :09:32.We need to change the rule so the courts are guided to take the other
:09:32. > :09:35.side into account, so get a proper balanced approach to decide whether
:09:35. > :09:43.or not someone stays in this country. This will never happen
:09:43. > :09:49.again f indeed at all? It should never happen again. Surely this cat
:09:49. > :09:53.did exist or didn't exist, we are moving into philosophy. Maya exists,
:09:53. > :09:57.and she contributed to someone who probably should have been removed
:09:57. > :10:04.from this country and wasn't. There are more serious cases where a
:10:04. > :10:09.child has been killed and a parent claimed family life when they
:10:09. > :10:12.weren't connected with the child. We wouldn't be talking about the
:10:12. > :10:16.cat if the Home Secretary hadn't brought it up, he or she?
:10:16. > :10:21.knowledge of the cat is not that extensive. The reason this is such
:10:21. > :10:25.a vivid case, it is from three or four years ago. Lifted out of the
:10:25. > :10:30.Mail? I think it was the Telegraph, to be strictly accurate. Are you
:10:30. > :10:35.sure? I dare say several newspapers covered T precisely because it was
:10:35. > :10:38.such a vivid case. It was, at the comic end of the spectrum of
:10:38. > :10:42.judicial decisions that normal people would think this is not
:10:42. > :10:45.common sense. There are much more serious decisions where things fly
:10:45. > :10:50.in the face of common sense. What the Home Secretary has announced
:10:50. > :10:54.today is we will change the balance so we get some common sense in the
:10:54. > :11:01.deportation system. And most people in this country who have no right
:11:01. > :11:06.to stay here won't be able to. Apart from the cat's contribution,
:11:06. > :11:11.by a long margin the funnyist thing came from Boris Johnson, old Oxford
:11:11. > :11:14.playmate of the Prime Minister. Mayor of London and cyclist, and
:11:14. > :11:19.hairdresser's despair, is one of the most well known Tories in
:11:19. > :11:25.Britain and has a towering ambition, so many consider him the next
:11:25. > :11:29.perfect leader. I met with him and asked him about the riots. Da David
:11:29. > :11:35.Cameron described the riots as revealing a sickness in parts of
:11:35. > :11:38.society, do you agree? I certainly do. I think the riots were a
:11:38. > :11:44.flipping up of a big fat rock and seeing some things I think we had
:11:44. > :11:47.been hiding from ourselves. Obviously left-wing people will say
:11:47. > :11:50.it is all about spending more money and it is about the budget cuts.
:11:50. > :11:56.Others will say it is about boundaries and giving kids
:11:56. > :12:01.discipline and all the rest of it. Certainly I think that there are
:12:01. > :12:05.issues. You have to look at the sense of easy entitlement too many
:12:05. > :12:13.young people have, and you also have to look at ways of steering
:12:13. > :12:17.them on to better things. To say there is a problem, or a sickness
:12:17. > :12:21.or whatever metaphor you want to use is to me quite sensible. Would
:12:21. > :12:26.you like to withdraw your comment when you described the...I Know
:12:26. > :12:34.what you are going to say. I don't withdraw my comment that if you say
:12:34. > :12:37.Britain is broken. You said it was piffle? OK, I think I was right.
:12:37. > :12:40.Because, this is a distinction without a difference. What I'm
:12:40. > :12:45.saying, let's be absolutely clear, I think Britain is the most
:12:45. > :12:50.fantastic country on earth. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is a very important
:12:51. > :12:57.point. The accusation that parts of it is sick is true? Yes, but that
:12:57. > :13:02.doesn't mean that the machine, the organism as a whole is fatally
:13:02. > :13:06.flawed. To say something is broken, if you say that camera is broken it
:13:06. > :13:12.wouldn't function at all. Would it? It could be broken and still
:13:12. > :13:18.function, obviously? No, if it was broken. In common parlance, Jeremy,
:13:18. > :13:20.if you said that camera was broken it wouldn't function. If you had a
:13:20. > :13:24.broken camera but it was still working people wouldn't understand
:13:24. > :13:30.what you were saying. That camera is not broken, when I look at it
:13:30. > :13:34.there are parts of the underside of that camera that are a bit scuffed.
:13:34. > :13:38.Bits of Britain are scuffed, that is what you are saying? Things are
:13:38. > :13:41.always in need of attention, there are problems always in need of
:13:41. > :13:47.addressing and clearly there are very serious issues in our society
:13:47. > :13:53.that need tackling. What the riots showed. Is inequality is one of
:13:53. > :13:57.them, do you think we are too unequal as a society? Yes I do.
:13:57. > :14:01.make it worse, you do want to make it worse, don't you? No. You have
:14:01. > :14:04.to look at the reasons. You want to abolish the 50p rate of tax, that
:14:05. > :14:08.would make inequality worse? Wouldn't or would? It would,
:14:08. > :14:12.clearly it would. Richer people would have more money left? I'm not
:14:12. > :14:18.certain that is true. As you know, you can't necessarily make poor
:14:18. > :14:21.people richer by making rich people poorer. What you can do though you
:14:21. > :14:25.can. Wouldn't richer people have more money in their pockets, by
:14:25. > :14:29.definition? There is an argument to be had about competitiveness.
:14:29. > :14:32.is a different argument? It is exactly the same argument. You have
:14:32. > :14:35.conceded we are too unequal a society, I wonder why you think
:14:35. > :14:42.rich people should be able to keep more of their country? The argument
:14:42. > :14:48.s just to be clear. The argument is that if you create conditions, and
:14:48. > :14:52.the right tax framework, safe city, all those. You create conditions in
:14:52. > :14:58.which business can prosper, enterprise can flourish, then you
:14:58. > :15:01.will drive jobs and growth for efb. That is the argument for -
:15:01. > :15:05.everybody. That is the argument for a competitive tax regime. This is
:15:05. > :15:10.another argument all together, I asked you about inequality?
:15:10. > :15:15.asked me two questions, one about inequality and one about the 50p
:15:15. > :15:21.tax rate. What I'm saying is that I can see the symbolic importance of
:15:21. > :15:24.the 50p tax rate, in tough times I can certainly see it. Practically,
:15:25. > :15:28.people retain more money if you remove the higher rate of tax, that
:15:28. > :15:33.is self-evidently true? There is a lot of ambiguity about how much of
:15:33. > :15:37.the 50p tax rate actually raises. If we're honest. And the Treasury
:15:37. > :15:42.is looking into it. The second point is. That is another argument?
:15:42. > :15:48.The second point is, that you have to look at the context in which a
:15:48. > :15:52.city like London, the whole economy is competing. The way to tackle
:15:52. > :15:59.inequality is look at what is happening to people in the bottom
:15:59. > :16:02.deciles of society. Look at what they are being deprived of. We talk
:16:02. > :16:08.about depravation, the issue is deprived of what by whom? It may
:16:08. > :16:11.very well be what people need is they need better education, they
:16:11. > :16:15.need a greater sense of...Stronger Framework, stronger sense of
:16:15. > :16:19.community and sense of being loved. You have gone completely off the
:16:19. > :16:24.point? I think we are completely on the point. That is what is causing
:16:24. > :16:28.inequality. On the 50p rate of tax, does it bother you that the
:16:28. > :16:31.Treasury, clearly regards you as an eccentric irrelevance? I'm not
:16:31. > :16:34.certain that is what the Treasury thinks. If they didn't think that
:16:34. > :16:38.they would have acted on your advice, wouldn't they? I think
:16:38. > :16:42.there are people in the Treasury who understand very well that the
:16:42. > :16:49.arguments for having high rates of taxation are not very well made out.
:16:49. > :16:54.Particularly since it actually makes - the risk is it makes the UK
:16:54. > :16:59.look less competitive. This is a very, very tough economic
:16:59. > :17:03.environment we're in, people are being squeezed. People are facing
:17:03. > :17:08.real increases in their cost of living. So when they see people
:17:08. > :17:14.like me on the tele, saying high tax rates make Britain
:17:14. > :17:18.uncompetitive, they think, sod all that, I don't care, the rich should
:17:18. > :17:22.pay more. I can perfectly understand that argument. I'm
:17:22. > :17:25.obliged to point out two things, one that the revenue that actually
:17:25. > :17:30.accrues to the Treasury from the 50p tax rate is in doubt. And
:17:30. > :17:36.secondly, in the long-term, perhaps even in the medium-term, you have
:17:36. > :17:41.to question whether it is right for the UK to be hobbling itself with a
:17:41. > :17:46.higher rate of taxation, than America, France, Germany, Japan.
:17:46. > :17:50.You made that point, let's move on. What is the difference between you
:17:50. > :17:56.and David Cameron? I'm Mayor of London and he's Prime Minister. I'm
:17:56. > :18:00.older than him. I'm considerably heavier. What else? I beat him at
:18:00. > :18:03.tennis the other day. Although I think he's probably better at
:18:03. > :18:10.tennis than me. What else can I say. Politically what's the difference.
:18:10. > :18:14.We know you differ on the 50p rate of tax the European referendum,
:18:14. > :18:17.what else? You have just tried to answer the question. I'm trying to
:18:17. > :18:20.help you, because you're talking about tennis and things, what we
:18:20. > :18:26.really want to know is political differences, are there any
:18:26. > :18:29.political differences between you and Cameron? Well, I think the
:18:29. > :18:35....is there really good, when did you stop beating your wife
:18:35. > :18:38.questions, you cooked this one up carefully. I suspect there may be
:18:38. > :18:43.some difference of emphasis, but I'm not disposed to go into them
:18:43. > :18:47.now. What I want to talk about on your show, Jeremy, is I want to
:18:47. > :18:51.talk about the things that matter to me. All right the things that
:18:51. > :18:54.matter to you. I'm versed in the ways of the media and your
:18:54. > :18:57.brilliant interviewing technique, if I talk about the differences
:18:57. > :19:02.between me and Cameron, whatever they may be, all the things I have
:19:02. > :19:06.been saying in the hall about what we are doing in London will be
:19:06. > :19:11.completely obscured in some kind of Tory split Tory which is all you
:19:11. > :19:14.want. I did want to talk about something that really matters to
:19:14. > :19:19.you is your future in the party. People out there are talking all
:19:19. > :19:23.the time about who will be the next leader, they see it as a race
:19:23. > :19:26.between you and George Osborne. Would a Boris leadership be
:19:26. > :19:30.different to the Cameron leadership? I think my chances of
:19:30. > :19:36.leading the Conservative Party, are slightly less good than your
:19:36. > :19:41.chances, so let's be clear. I have got, you may be about to make a bid
:19:41. > :19:47.for it, I don't know. If they are that good, I might! So can we take
:19:47. > :19:49.it, then, given your whole hearted commitment to your role as Mayor of
:19:49. > :19:53.London, that if you are re-elected, there is no possibility of you
:19:53. > :20:02.standing for parliament? There is not a snowball's chance in Hades,
:20:02. > :20:06.or a cat's chance. No. Absolutely out of the question? If you are
:20:06. > :20:10.someone, you love politics, and you are fascinated in doing things, the
:20:11. > :20:15.job of Mayor of London is simply the most engrossing and
:20:15. > :20:20.intoxicating in a metaphorical way, job that you could possibly do. It
:20:20. > :20:25.gluts the appetite for power, executive authority, it is
:20:25. > :20:29.endlessly absorbing. What else can I say about it. There are no
:20:29. > :20:33.circumstances in which you would allow your name to go forward to
:20:33. > :20:38.become an MP while you are Mayor of London? No, you can't seek a
:20:38. > :20:43.mandate to do one thing. What is the scheme, you become the first
:20:44. > :20:47.Tory leader in the House of Lords since Lord Salisbuy? What will
:20:47. > :20:53.baffle me, I will be your campaign manager, as I have said you have a
:20:53. > :20:59.better chance than I do. I think you might well, you have got the
:20:59. > :21:04.gravitas, you have got the name recognition. Everybody knows that
:21:04. > :21:08.you're probably quite Conservative, even though you levitate over party
:21:08. > :21:17.politics. You would be an ideal candidate. What about it? Down the
:21:17. > :21:23.line, Dave is eventually going to pack it in? Have you finished?
:21:23. > :21:31.an offer. It's very generous, but I'm going to be declining it. You
:21:31. > :21:36.mentioned Dave. Is it true that you have always felt yourself slightly
:21:36. > :21:41.intellectually inferior? Inferior? No. No. To whom? To David Cameron,
:21:41. > :21:47.your leader? No. That's a new one. No I haven't, I can see where this
:21:47. > :21:51.is leading, it is not something you know, logically I must either think
:21:51. > :21:55.myself superior or inferior to any human being. We know you are a
:21:55. > :21:59.shrinking violet and naturally modest, but it is not true? No. It
:21:59. > :22:06.is the first time I have heard of it. The first time you have heard
:22:06. > :22:16.of it? Yes. This goes back to the days when he got a 1st and you
:22:16. > :22:16.
:22:16. > :22:21.didn't? Ah. Does that still rankle? It would if it wasn't his 1st was
:22:22. > :22:26.in PPE. Which is an inferior subject to your own? Look, I mean,
:22:26. > :22:30.this is playground stuff Jeremy. You are quite right, it is. This is
:22:30. > :22:34.playground stuff. And your performance has not been
:22:34. > :22:38.playground-like! I have done my best under some pretty...what
:22:38. > :22:44.people want to hear about is the things that we are doing in London.
:22:44. > :22:47.That was what I was talking about today. It certainly was. I'm very
:22:47. > :22:50.proud of what we have achieved. What I said about crime matters a
:22:50. > :22:55.great deal to people, what I said about investing in transport
:22:55. > :22:59.matters a great deal to people. As everybody knows I'm hugely lucky to
:22:59. > :23:03.be doing this job. The thrust of what you are asking me, is do I see
:23:03. > :23:08.this as a stepping stone. It is not, it is something that I love doing,
:23:08. > :23:13.I really don't, as I said ageing ago, I don't think I will do
:23:13. > :23:16.another big - ages ago, I don't think I will do another big job in
:23:16. > :23:20.politics now. It is a completely wonderful and fascinating job. All
:23:20. > :23:26.I want to do is persuade people I have another four years of good
:23:26. > :23:31.stuff in us, that is what I'm doing. Boris Johnson thanks. Thank you.
:23:31. > :23:37.Let's see how our randomly selected or self-invited, indeed, audience
:23:37. > :23:44.of Tory women, or ladies, feel about. Who thinks Boris Johnson is
:23:44. > :23:50.a potential future leader then? That's finished his career. Not one
:23:50. > :23:54.of you? Not one of you? Well that kills
:23:54. > :23:59.that discussion. So, what is it about him, why isn't he suitable?
:23:59. > :24:05.It's not that he's not suitable, he's just very good as the mayor.
:24:05. > :24:12.Why should he want to be anything else. After that, he's still a
:24:12. > :24:20.young man. He's not credible. isn't he credible? He's too out
:24:20. > :24:24.there. His hair says it all, really, doesn't it. He hasn't got prime
:24:24. > :24:29.ministerial hair? He hasn't got the look. He's great for the role he's
:24:29. > :24:33.doing, he's doing a great job. is quite devisive, half the people
:24:33. > :24:37.think he's great, others think he's mad. I wish I had spoken to you
:24:38. > :24:41.before I interviewed him. You in the second row there, please?
:24:41. > :24:45.are you discussing this, David Cameron hasn't had his time yet, I
:24:45. > :24:51.hope he will be around for much longer. What a loyal person you are.
:24:51. > :24:59.Anybody else like to enlighten us on Boris Johnson's prospects for
:24:59. > :25:04.the leadership? There are stronger candidates out there. As these
:25:04. > :25:07.party members are only too aware, the Conservatives haven't won an
:25:07. > :25:10.overall majority in a general election since 1992. Nearly 20
:25:10. > :25:13.years ago. If they are to do it in the next election, and free
:25:13. > :25:17.themselves of the questionable delights of sharing power with
:25:17. > :25:20.people they so recently considered unfit to manage a cat litter tray,
:25:20. > :25:25.they need to find a way of appealing to women again. The task
:25:25. > :25:28.is made much harder by the economic conditions in which we find
:25:28. > :25:32.ourselves. David Grossman has been thinking of how they might try to
:25:32. > :25:37.do that and looking at what the party needs to do to win an
:25:37. > :25:42.outright majority in 2015. The political contest is
:25:42. > :25:45.essentially a battle for the future. That is why, the word is all over
:25:45. > :25:49.the place. Victory sends to go to whoever comes up with the most
:25:49. > :25:54.credible and compelling vision. For the Conservatives right now,
:25:54. > :25:57.the date they are peering towards is 2015.
:25:57. > :26:01.The date when we are supposed to get our next general election.
:26:01. > :26:08.This, apparently, is what the car of the future is going to look like.
:26:08. > :26:11.Compact, eye firbt, and it runs on hide - efficient, and it runs on
:26:11. > :26:15.hydrogen. What is the Conservative path in the future will look, what
:26:15. > :26:18.policies will they run on, come 2015. We are doing Conservative
:26:18. > :26:23.things in Government, that is because, unlike the previous 13
:26:23. > :26:28.years, we started to listen to the British people, and what they are
:26:28. > :26:32.interested in, rather than banging on at them about the things we are
:26:32. > :26:35.obsessed about. As for our electoral expediency, ideolgical
:26:35. > :26:40.purity is entirely worthless if you have a Labour Government. There
:26:40. > :26:43.have been moments of passion at this country. Nick Bowles is very
:26:43. > :26:49.close to David Cameron, he says the Conservatives are whistling in the
:26:49. > :26:52.dark if they don't focus on exactly what voters want. Spending too much
:26:52. > :26:57.time and energy talking about the possibility of a referendum on
:26:57. > :27:01.membership of the EU, and spending too much time talking about getting
:27:01. > :27:05.rid of the 50p top rate of tax for people earning a great deal of
:27:05. > :27:09.money. If we spend time on either of those subjects we would be
:27:09. > :27:13.quickly punished by the public, who say they have views on both subject,
:27:13. > :27:16.but neither pressing concerns for them right now, and they would feel
:27:16. > :27:21.we are wasting their time, and they pay us to be there, and they want
:27:21. > :27:23.us to get back to the business of making their lives better every day.
:27:23. > :27:27.David Cameron going back to school today.
:27:27. > :27:31.Something the party needs to do as well, according to some.
:27:31. > :27:36.It is not just that they need to learn to reconnect with the
:27:36. > :27:40.concerns of the average voter, but specifically, the concerns of women
:27:40. > :27:44.voters. I think David Cameron is very aware
:27:44. > :27:50.that all of Margaret Thatcher's three victories in the 1980s were
:27:50. > :27:54.built upon the women's vote. Unless he really improves his own standing
:27:54. > :27:58.with women today, he won't get the elusive story majority that needs.
:27:58. > :28:03.There is active consideration of individual policy things that will
:28:03. > :28:08.make a difference to women. Initiatives on childcare, child
:28:08. > :28:12.benefit, better neighbourhood policing. Those things will help at
:28:12. > :28:17.the margin. But the overwhelming evidence is that women are much
:28:17. > :28:22.more sensitive to inflation and some of the ill effects of the
:28:22. > :28:25.recession. And Cameron's success with women will depend on
:28:25. > :28:30.revitalising the economy and keeping a lid on prices. The fact
:28:30. > :28:33.that David Cameron is Prime Minister has, it is alleged, left
:28:33. > :28:37.some in his party for getting that they didn't really win the last
:28:37. > :28:41.general election, it is just they were the most successful losers.
:28:41. > :28:44.Where are the swing voters in reference to the Conservative Party
:28:44. > :28:48.right now? They are spread right across the political spectrum. You
:28:48. > :28:55.can't say as so many strategists like to say, it is over here and in
:28:55. > :28:59.this case, they create things like "Worcester woman" and "Essex man",
:28:59. > :29:03.they are highly mythological. Across the spectrum people are out-
:29:03. > :29:07.of-touch with politicians and nervous about the economy, and
:29:07. > :29:12.looking for confidence. Some of the new intake of Conservative MPs want
:29:12. > :29:18.the party to be much bolder, to seek to lead public opinion. This
:29:18. > :29:21.man is one of five MPs who have published a book called After The
:29:21. > :29:25.Coalition. Issues like the 50p tax rate, and a
:29:25. > :29:29.referendum on Europe, there are some in your party who suggest you
:29:29. > :29:33.shouldn't touch those because they are not issues that speak to the
:29:33. > :29:40.majority in the middle if you like? I don't think that's quite a right
:29:40. > :29:45.way of looking at political leadership. If you look at 1939, we
:29:45. > :29:48.decided to go to war against Nazi Germany, not through focus groups,
:29:48. > :29:52.that was a job through leadership and carrying the country with them.
:29:52. > :29:55.I don't think it is the right thing to do to echo what the electorate
:29:55. > :29:58.is saying. You have to have convictions and beliefs. It is on
:29:58. > :30:03.that basis you can get people to vote for you.
:30:03. > :30:07.However, Nick Boles says the book, however interesting, is not enough
:30:07. > :30:13.focused on voters' concerns. didn't feel that the book started
:30:13. > :30:17.with the question, "what are those pressing concerns?" and "what is it
:30:17. > :30:19.that would really help ordinary people?" t seemed a little bit to
:30:19. > :30:23.be asking what would be the great Conservative idea for the future. I
:30:23. > :30:25.don't want to knock ideas, I used to be in the ideas business. I do
:30:25. > :30:29.think, particularly in this difficult time, we need to be
:30:29. > :30:34.relevant. Above all EMS, we need to be relevant and folk - else, we
:30:34. > :30:40.need to be he will vant and focused, and not have the indulgence of
:30:40. > :30:43.arguments that don't really matter to people.
:30:43. > :30:46.These are uncertain times for the country, and difficult times to be
:30:46. > :30:56.in the future business. Getting the Conservative offer right is crucial
:30:56. > :30:57.
:30:57. > :31:00.to David Cameron's future. With us now is the journalist Jeni
:31:00. > :31:03.Russell, who writes for the Guardian, and Claire Perry and
:31:03. > :31:08.Elizabeth Truss. Let's take the pulse of our
:31:08. > :31:15.audience here. When you look at your leadership, does it seem like
:31:15. > :31:19.a leadership that is in tune with women? Yes?
:31:19. > :31:24.The Home Secretary's a woman? That's true, yes. David Cameron
:31:24. > :31:30.does as good a job as Boris Johnson's done over the last two
:31:30. > :31:36.years running London, David Cameron will win the women's vote. But it
:31:36. > :31:39.doesn't help when he has been caught out putting women down.
:31:39. > :31:47."don't get worked up dear", comments that doesn't help. That
:31:47. > :31:54.was a joke he picked up off the tele, "calm down dear"? That came
:31:55. > :31:59.across not in a foe male-friendly way. How - Female-friendly way.
:31:59. > :32:02.What did you think about his need to apologise this weekend? I think
:32:02. > :32:07.we should have a sense of humour, we can make jokes about men.
:32:07. > :32:12.It was good to see a family man, a man with a young family, working
:32:12. > :32:15.hard, not only for the nation, if you like, but also for his family.
:32:15. > :32:22.He's obviously very involved with his children, that is a really good
:32:22. > :32:27.role model to have. It particulars my box. - ticks my box. As my
:32:27. > :32:30.colleague was saying, he's a good role model because he has a young
:32:30. > :32:35.family. His involvement with his children is clear. Sometimes a
:32:35. > :32:38.comment that is faced that female candidates tend to face is they are
:32:38. > :32:42.involved with their family and perhaps that would detract time
:32:42. > :32:46.from their politics. The fact he's open about his family involvement
:32:46. > :32:51.is definitely a positive role model for men and women. Jeni Russell,
:32:51. > :32:55.does this leadership strike you as one that instinctively understands
:32:55. > :32:59.women? The polls show clearly not. The Tories came into the
:32:59. > :33:03.administration with a strong lead amongst women, they have lost it.
:33:03. > :33:07.They are now running, the polls are different in different areas, seven
:33:07. > :33:11.points behind Labour. The fact is, women are clearly turning against
:33:11. > :33:15.the Tories, a large section of them are. I would like to ask the
:33:15. > :33:18.audience if the Tory Party is so good for women, why women don't
:33:18. > :33:22.agree. Third row back, go on? don't think the polls are always
:33:22. > :33:29.true. If you poll a woman who has just come out of the supermarket,
:33:29. > :33:33.she's filled her car up with petrol, she's done a week's shop. She's
:33:33. > :33:36.thinking gosh, I have spent more annual, she will think,
:33:37. > :33:40.Conservative Party, no good. If you go with a sheet of paper after she
:33:40. > :33:45.has put the children to be bed with a glass of wine and shoes off, she
:33:45. > :33:48.might have a different answer. I don't trust the polls.
:33:48. > :33:51.I'm afraid the Tory Party will be really in trouble if your answer is
:33:52. > :33:56.I just don't believe the polls and everything is fine. The point is,
:33:56. > :34:02.Labour came in 1997 with a big appeal to women. Up until that
:34:02. > :34:06.point, women from 1945 onwards had always voted in favour of the
:34:06. > :34:11.Conservative Party, overwhelmingly. We would have had Labour
:34:11. > :34:15.administration without the women vote. Labour brought in Child Tax
:34:15. > :34:20.Credits and childcare and all kinds of systems for women. Got rid of
:34:20. > :34:24.the 10p tax rate. They gave a lot to women and now that the Tories
:34:24. > :34:27.are in office and are beginning to cut away at the benefits system and
:34:27. > :34:30.beginning to take childcare away, and the jobs away in which women
:34:30. > :34:34.work. That is why they are turning against the Tories. If the party
:34:34. > :34:38.doesn't recognise that it will be in trouble. The reality is
:34:38. > :34:42.childcare costs under Labour doubled, and the number of kind
:34:42. > :34:46.minders halved from 1997-2010, because Labour introduced lots of
:34:46. > :34:50.regulation and bureaucracy. I think the issue is, that we perhaps
:34:50. > :34:55.haven't focused enough on talking about some of our positive policies
:34:55. > :34:59.like parental leave. Under Labour, maternity leave was hugely expanded,
:34:59. > :35:02.but fathers weren't given a role. We said modern parents want to
:35:03. > :35:05.share these responsibility, under Labour it was seen as the woman's
:35:05. > :35:09.job. I think we are much more progressive on these issues, we
:35:09. > :35:15.need to be talking about them more. But there clearly is a perception
:35:15. > :35:20.in the leadership of this party that there is a problem about the
:35:20. > :35:23.representation and the dealings with the female sex. That is why
:35:23. > :35:27.David Cameron, every time he walks from the hotel over here is
:35:27. > :35:31.accompanied by a woman. Usually a woman MP. He sits down with a woman
:35:31. > :35:36.MP next to him. This is all about presentation. They know there is a
:35:36. > :35:40.problem. You haven't been asked to do it have you? I haven't. Nor me.
:35:40. > :35:43.Don't you think it is an incredibly patronising to say 50% of the
:35:43. > :35:46.electorate, women, all care about the same things. It is such old
:35:46. > :35:50.politics to try to come up with these dividing lines. Women want
:35:50. > :35:54.this, women want that. APPLAUSE. We have working women,
:35:54. > :35:58.this nation, by - notion about benefit cuts, what about the
:35:58. > :36:03.million people, most of whom are women, who are being taken
:36:03. > :36:06.completely out of tax. Jeremy don't interrupt, let us finish the
:36:06. > :36:10.sentence, let's behave like women. There were people all over the
:36:10. > :36:14.country not subjected to the public sector pay freeze, excluded from
:36:14. > :36:18.that, and benefited. I have three kids, I go to the supermarket and
:36:18. > :36:21.I'm sure we all do, we are all worried about where the country
:36:21. > :36:24.will be in five or ten years time. Women are doing the shopping,
:36:24. > :36:28.paying the bills, filling up the family cars, and are anxious. Our
:36:28. > :36:31.job, as any responsible Government would think is to make sure people
:36:31. > :36:35.feel reassured and we work relentlessly, with no money, thanks
:36:35. > :36:38.to the last Government, to make sure that women and other groups,
:36:38. > :36:44.and frankly, wherever we can, people are protected. You might be
:36:44. > :36:48.trying to say that. The fact is women are overwhelmingly the people
:36:48. > :36:52.employed in the public sector. 60%. Is that full-time equivalence, if
:36:52. > :36:55.you look it will be less than that. The public sector are the people
:36:55. > :36:59.losing their jobs, women are losing their jobs, they are overwhelmingly
:36:59. > :37:06.the users of public services, at public services are being cut. They
:37:06. > :37:11.are the people who live on benefits. That is a bit of a generalisation
:37:11. > :37:18.about women living on benefits. Doing exactly the thing you accuse
:37:18. > :37:21.men of doing, arguing. Sorry. is enough from you two. Back to the
:37:21. > :37:25.original question, about how to appeal at the next election to
:37:26. > :37:31.women voters. Cameron has done a fantastic job as leader bringing
:37:31. > :37:36.new women into the party, changing our public face. We have gone up
:37:36. > :37:40.from 16%-22% of new female MPs in the last intake. Remind us how many
:37:40. > :37:45.Tory women there are in cabinet? There are a large number of new MPs
:37:45. > :37:48.on the candidate list. He is opening it up to all different
:37:48. > :37:52.backgrounds and walks of life. We will have a different party, we
:37:52. > :38:00.showed that in the 2010 election with the number of female MPs.
:38:00. > :38:04.will you do it? David Cameron has pledged to have a third of...
:38:04. > :38:08.in the blue dress? That's me. We are doing it. There has been a huge
:38:08. > :38:12.revolution in the way we have been processing our candidates to make
:38:12. > :38:15.sure women can come forward with men on a completely level playing
:38:15. > :38:19.field. As we did the changes in the process, what we found was more
:38:19. > :38:25.women were coming forward, because they trusted the process, and they
:38:25. > :38:31.could become MPs, just as Liz and Claire are showing us here. Are you
:38:31. > :38:36.still committed to 50% of the Government being women, that was a
:38:36. > :38:40.promise wasn't it? 50% of the candidates had to be women. There
:38:40. > :38:43.is an historic problem, we have been underrepresented, you can't
:38:43. > :38:47.make women ministers from nowhere. The greater intake of women this
:38:47. > :38:52.time will mean there are more ministers next time. Jeremy nobody
:38:52. > :38:56.wants to be a Blair Babe. How pitiful to promote through all-
:38:56. > :39:01.women shortlists a group of women, some who have been fantastic
:39:01. > :39:05.ministers, many of whom have sunk without a trace, for a photo
:39:05. > :39:08.opportunity. The difference with the women candidates, we are
:39:08. > :39:11.committed, as all new candidates are, to make a difference. We are
:39:11. > :39:17.relentlessly holding the Government to account on all these issues.
:39:17. > :39:21.of the issues is with the way that the women issue is being presented.
:39:21. > :39:25.It is presented as being all about money. What I think it is about is
:39:25. > :39:30.giving women and girls opportunities. So why is it, for
:39:30. > :39:34.example, girls are performing worse at maths GCSe, will what we do
:39:35. > :39:37.there. What about older woman who want to work? We have abolished the
:39:37. > :39:40.compulsory retirement. There are all kinds of opportunities being
:39:40. > :39:44.opened up. It is not just about transfer of wealth. I don't like
:39:44. > :39:48.the kind of politics that pits men against women. That's not the way
:39:48. > :39:53.families operate, it is not the way most people operate. If we want to
:39:53. > :39:58.do - we want to do things like share parental leave and open up
:39:59. > :40:02.the childcare market. In the same way Michael Gove has free cools
:40:02. > :40:06.policy, let's open up childcare, and let parents run it, rather than
:40:06. > :40:10.state bureaucrats being in charge, which is what happened under Labour.
:40:10. > :40:14.The cost of childcare rose hugely. I don't think that point has been
:40:14. > :40:18.answered by Jeni. I was talking to cabinet minister tonight who was in
:40:18. > :40:21.no doubt the Government had got it wrong about women. He said there
:40:21. > :40:24.were two things, there were no women making the case for the
:40:24. > :40:28.Government out there. And secondly, in fact, the things the Government
:40:28. > :40:31.has decided to do about childcare and so on, some of that has been a
:40:31. > :40:34.mistake, and there will be a rolling back on some of the
:40:34. > :40:38.decisions about cutting childcare, he was also expecting there to be
:40:38. > :40:41.action on child benefit, those are the issues that really matter to
:40:41. > :40:46.women, and why they are turning against the Government now. What we
:40:46. > :40:51.need is a rowing back on all the Labour regulations. You're right in
:40:51. > :40:56.the front row. Be quiet a second, please.
:40:56. > :41:03.Do you think. Calm down dear. you want us to calm down, Jeremy.
:41:03. > :41:07.You calm down if you like! Just do it! Charlotte, do you think
:41:08. > :41:12.your party is doing enough? I think our party could do an awful lot
:41:12. > :41:18.more. You were a candidate? I was in Brighton, and I lost, sadly.
:41:18. > :41:20.Actually I'm really concerned that I'm sitting here in 2010, in an
:41:21. > :41:26.all-female audience, this is madness, we have to be more
:41:26. > :41:30.collaborative, we have to include men, we have to make sure that
:41:30. > :41:33.women don't have the seed of all knowledge as to how to appeal to
:41:33. > :41:36.other women. We have to bring in everybody. We are half of the
:41:36. > :41:40.population, for goodness sake. As Claire was saying, not all women
:41:40. > :41:42.think the same. Not all women are the same. It is a very, very
:41:42. > :41:46.complex issue, but one the Government needs to recognise, and
:41:46. > :41:53.needs to move forward with. Why were men denied access tonight
:41:53. > :41:56.to comment on women's issues. Men have children as well you know.
:41:56. > :42:03.disgraceful piece of discrimination. For obvious reasons. This is the
:42:03. > :42:07.politics of the past. You were complaining about the
:42:07. > :42:10.underrepresentation of women on Newsnight, now you are complaining
:42:11. > :42:14.about the overrepresentation? said you were part of the problem
:42:14. > :42:18.not the solution, it is the combattive style of politics is not
:42:18. > :42:22.the way forward. We could have a bunch of vanity promotions, I'm
:42:22. > :42:25.sure, where you have masses of people in bright jackets on the
:42:25. > :42:31.front bench, let's get on with fixing the country, for goodness
:42:31. > :42:35.sakes. With your hand up in the third row, yes, you in the pale
:42:35. > :42:38.jumper? It is not about treating women differently, a lot of the
:42:38. > :42:41.problems is the media need to address that. You have people
:42:41. > :42:46.talking about Theresa May's kitten heels, and asking others if they
:42:47. > :42:52.have had a face lift, nobody is asking male MPs those questions,
:42:52. > :42:55.the media need to look at that. can't think who they would ask!
:42:56. > :42:59.fascinating thing about this is the fall in support amongst women is
:42:59. > :43:03.different in different social groups. Amongst ABs is actually the
:43:03. > :43:07.support for Tories has gone up. Where the Tories are suddenly
:43:07. > :43:10.losing support is among skilled manual workers, those are the ones
:43:10. > :43:13.bearing the brunt of the job cuts and who haven't got the space in
:43:13. > :43:17.the household budget to absorb an increase in childcare costs, who
:43:17. > :43:20.are worried about tuition fees, who are worried about care for the
:43:20. > :43:22.elderly and pensions. That is where the problem is coming from. It is
:43:22. > :43:26.really hard to see what the Conservatives are able to do about
:43:26. > :43:29.that. The fact is, that those are the people who are bound to be at
:43:29. > :43:32.the brunt of all these changes. They are also the people who will
:43:32. > :43:37.be often lifted out of tax completely. The problem with
:43:37. > :43:40.politics, if I may. No you may not. You may not. Those woman who are
:43:40. > :43:43.not watching us tonight, they are reading magazines and the local
:43:43. > :43:47.papers, they are not watching politics and thinking about this,
:43:47. > :43:53.you are quite right we have to do better. I tell you why I want to
:43:53. > :43:56.wrap you up just there, is because this frankly rather underwomening
:43:56. > :44:04.conference is coming to an end tomorrow with the usual speech from
:44:04. > :44:10.the party leader, which by now must be on its umt ee nth incarnation
:44:10. > :44:14.what will we hear? There are times in a leader's life where they have
:44:14. > :44:18.to pull out the speech, they have to come to the hall like this and
:44:18. > :44:23.use the force of their personality and turn round a desperate
:44:23. > :44:27.situation. Tomorrow, Jeremy, is not one of them. What he will have to
:44:27. > :44:31.do is restate many of the themes he has restated many times before, and
:44:31. > :44:34.try to put them in a new way. If he could have waved a magic wand and
:44:34. > :44:37.got rid of the conference and this speech, without that being the big
:44:37. > :44:44.story, he would have done it. I have some quotes that he will say.
:44:44. > :44:47.Are they interesting? Well, we're going to learn another one of his
:44:47. > :44:51.builder's tips, you remember the fixing the roof. Tomorrow he will
:44:51. > :44:56.tell us about laying the foundations of a house being
:44:56. > :45:01.important. It will sound a bit like one of those big red war time
:45:01. > :45:04.posters, "keep calm and carry on". He will talk about the spirit of
:45:04. > :45:08.Britain, and turning the ship around. There will be optimisim,
:45:08. > :45:12.not too much pessimism. You get the message. I think we have enough
:45:12. > :45:16.excitement there for now. Have we time to have a few more questions
:45:16. > :45:20.with the audience. I do hope so. No-one has told me what the time is.
:45:20. > :45:23.You madame? What I want to say is we shouldn't belittle women. There
:45:23. > :45:28.was a report in the newspaper last week that actually young women are
:45:28. > :45:34.earning more at the moment than young men. So we have got to wait
:45:34. > :45:37.and encourage those women. Don't believe everything you read in the
:45:37. > :45:41.papers. You probably write some of it. Those women will feed through
:45:41. > :45:44.and become more involved, and the politicians of the future. Just
:45:44. > :45:49.keep calm and it will happen, Jeremy.
:45:49. > :45:54.We will keep calm and carry on. I'm terribly sorry we will have to stop
:45:54. > :45:58.there. We will make sure we have some men next time. That's all from
:45:58. > :46:03.Newsnight tonight, this year's noble prize for physics has been
:46:03. > :46:07.won by three scientists for their pioneering work on the expansion of
:46:07. > :46:13.the universe. It led them to the discovery that the universe is
:46:13. > :46:18.growing at an ever-accelerating rate. Those seeking the meaning of
:46:18. > :46:23.life have known this for many years. # The universe itself
:46:23. > :46:28.# Keeps on expanding and expanding # In all directions it can whizz
:46:28. > :46:32.# As fast as it can go # The speed of light it can go
:46:32. > :46:35.# 12 million miles a minute # That is the fastest
:46:35. > :46:38.# Remember when you are feeling small and insecure
:46:38. > :46:41.# How amazingly unlike is your birth
:46:41. > :46:45.# And pray there is intelligent life
:46:45. > :46:54.# Somewhere up in space # Because there is bugger all down
:46:54. > :46:58.Turbulent weather over the next few days. Windy w lot of rain in
:46:58. > :47:02.Northern Ireland and Scotland. Wet and windy here. Brighter further
:47:02. > :47:05.south and east. We will hang on to brightness across parts of the
:47:05. > :47:10.Midlands into the afternoon. Although it will gradually cloud
:47:10. > :47:14.over. Always quite gusty those winds. A fine afternoon, for much
:47:14. > :47:19.of East Anglia. Temperatures creeping back up into the low 20.
:47:20. > :47:24.This is a not a return of the heatwave. It will not last. Patchy
:47:24. > :47:28.rain across the south west, it will turn pretty wet across Wales,
:47:28. > :47:31.especially out west with the gusty winds to factor in as well. After a
:47:31. > :47:35.wet and windy start to the day, things will pick up across Northern
:47:35. > :47:39.Ireland. Sunshine developing through the afternoon, just one or
:47:39. > :47:43.two showers developing. Sunshine inbetween the showers after a very
:47:43. > :47:47.wet and windy morning. So, rain heading in to the north
:47:47. > :47:51.and the west. That will clear south-east wards by Thursday
:47:51. > :47:55.morning, and then we have a whole lot of blustery showers, despite
:47:55. > :48:00.sunshine it will be chilly. Even across the south, temperatures will
:48:00. > :48:04.be much lower than they have been. A real taste of autumn for all of