:00:08. > :00:12.You finished your education, now you plan to start a career and then
:00:12. > :00:16.later, perhaps, buy a home or raise a family. Well, forget it. There
:00:16. > :00:21.are no jobs, or there aren't anything like enough of them. No
:00:21. > :00:24.job, no income, no hope. When so- called working hours are just a
:00:24. > :00:28.hole to be filled what does it do to you? It makes you feel angry,
:00:28. > :00:33.when you wake up you have nothing to look forward to, it is the same
:00:33. > :00:39.day, what can I do today? We have brought together 30 young people,
:00:39. > :00:43.either unemployed or underemployed, with Chris Grayling, the employment
:00:43. > :00:47.minister and David Miliband now leading a charity initiative. Could
:00:47. > :00:52.he convince the world that it was he who was telling the truth rather
:00:52. > :00:56.than his old boss. The former UK borders chief gets his day in front
:00:56. > :01:02.of parliament. Over 40 years I have built up a reputation, and over two
:01:02. > :01:07.days that reputation has been destroyed, and I believe that has
:01:07. > :01:11.been largely from the contributions made by the Home Secretary.
:01:11. > :01:14.Meet the Government of another EU country that's rejected the euro,
:01:14. > :01:19.yet the Prime Minister of Denmark tells us, actually, she thinks it
:01:19. > :01:24.is rather a good scheme. I'm always in favour of the euro, stim I am.
:01:24. > :01:34.Still in favour of it. It has been a disaster? I don't think the euro
:01:34. > :01:35.
:01:35. > :01:38.has been a disaster. Brace yourself, it is confidently
:01:38. > :01:42.expected that tomorrow we will hear that unemployment has gone up again.
:01:42. > :01:45.Being unable to get a job is bad enough, at any age, but it is
:01:45. > :01:48.perhaps especially hard on the young.
:01:48. > :01:55.Tomorrow's figures are expected to show that over a million of us
:01:55. > :02:03.between the ages of 16 and 24, have no paid work. The talk is of a lost
:02:03. > :02:06.generation. We asked Jim Reed from Radio 1's Newsbeat to report for us.
:02:06. > :02:09.If you are lucky enough to get an interview, there is too many people
:02:09. > :02:12.far more qualified get anything there. For the last four years I
:02:12. > :02:15.have travelled up and down the country. Trying to find out what
:02:15. > :02:19.matters to the next generation. have only got experience in
:02:19. > :02:23.construction, and they won't give me a retail job, they won't give me
:02:23. > :02:26.a chance. A job, a role, something to do. Those questions have always
:02:27. > :02:29.been there. I have lost count of the number of jobs I have applied
:02:30. > :02:34.for. Something has changed, now for many young people it is all they
:02:34. > :02:37.want to talk about. It is better to actually go into the shop you want
:02:37. > :02:42.and get application form, instead of going to the Jobcentre where you
:02:42. > :02:47.think you would get the help, because you don't.
:02:47. > :02:51.Phil Shaw is young, frustrated and out of work. Spends his time at the
:02:51. > :02:55.local gym, in the Manchester suburb of Wytheshawe, there is nothing
:02:55. > :02:58.else to do. Getting up and doing the same thing. I want to be
:02:58. > :03:04.getting up, getting ready to go to work. Because I do want to work.
:03:04. > :03:07.All I need is that one chance to prove to people that I can do it.
:03:07. > :03:11.heard you talking earlier you are really fed up, aren't you.
:03:11. > :03:15.We have brought Phil and his friends to meet Emma Harrisson, the
:03:15. > :03:21.chairman of the training company, A4E, and now a influential adviser
:03:21. > :03:24.to David Cameron. I believe the problem has become so entrenched at
:03:24. > :03:26.a certain level in certain groups of young people, because their
:03:26. > :03:32.parents run employed, the young people are unemployed, actually the
:03:32. > :03:35.only way now is one-on-one support. Is somebody going to say I will
:03:35. > :03:38.work that with that family and young people, and do whatever it
:03:38. > :03:42.takes tworbg with them to get them back into work. We have to start
:03:42. > :03:47.doing it earlier I think, at the moment, a young person waiting 12
:03:47. > :03:50.months before they get some support is too long, by then the anger, the
:03:50. > :03:54.frustration, the self-esteem has gone, the confidence has gone, and
:03:54. > :03:58.they are going round and round in circles, we have to get in there
:03:58. > :04:02.quickly and sort this thing out. Really, how bad is it, for young
:04:03. > :04:07.people today. We have gazed into the statistics, to try to dispel
:04:07. > :04:15.some myths. Number one, there are almost a million young people
:04:15. > :04:20.unemployed. There are 991,000 16- 24-year-olds out of work. Take out
:04:21. > :04:24.full-time students looking for a job, that figure drops to 721,000.
:04:24. > :04:30.Myth number two, this was all caused by the financial crisis, and
:04:30. > :04:34.our response to it. It is true, that 2008 saw a sharp spike in
:04:34. > :04:39.youth unemployment. But, take a look back to 2004, and you will see
:04:39. > :04:44.it started rising long before that. The final myth, record youth
:04:44. > :04:48.unemployment, now that's true, but this set of records only began in
:04:48. > :04:51.1992. Look back to 1984, and although the figures were
:04:51. > :04:56.calculated slightly differently, the number out of work hit 1.2
:04:56. > :04:59.million. There is one more revealing fact,
:04:59. > :05:04.for young people I have met in Salford and around the country,
:05:04. > :05:10.this isn't just about unemployment. The number taking part-time work,
:05:10. > :05:15.because they can't find a full-time position, has now risen to 337,000.
:05:15. > :05:20.Almost double what it was just three years ago.
:05:20. > :05:24.That rising figure, 337,000, doesn't show up in the official
:05:24. > :05:29.unemployment statistics, but it is more than a third of a million
:05:29. > :05:33.young people who want or need more work.
:05:33. > :05:36.At this supermarket, on the outskirts of Salford, the manager
:05:36. > :05:43.says he has stopped advertising positions, he's already sitting on
:05:43. > :05:47.a pile of 20 or so CVs. Sally Burke started working here part-time
:05:47. > :05:52.three years ago, to pay her way through a media studies course at
:05:52. > :05:56.university. That course has come to an end, she graduated with a 2: 1
:05:56. > :06:00.degree, but she's still here. definitely want to be working full-
:06:00. > :06:04.time instead of part-time. But. not get the full-time job, why is
:06:04. > :06:08.it so difficult? It is not out there. It is not out there to get.
:06:09. > :06:14.I have been looking for a full-time job, in what I want to do,
:06:14. > :06:17.literally there is nothing out there. Unemployment is really bad.
:06:17. > :06:22.People I have graduated with, some of them didn't work part-time, some
:06:22. > :06:26.did, they are looking for full-time jobs and they can't find full-time
:06:26. > :06:32.jobs. There is one of about, 100 on my course, that have a full-time
:06:32. > :06:37.job in what they want to do. That is not very good statistics at all.
:06:37. > :06:45.Like many of the 9 others on her course, she's still in debt.
:06:45. > :06:51.�18,000. And not sure why she took that course in the first place.
:06:51. > :06:54.Here, on the other side of Salford is a project to refurbish rundown
:06:55. > :07:02.council houses. Building firms are being forced to recruit apprentices
:07:02. > :07:07.from this area, if they want to win the local Government contract.
:07:08. > :07:13.applied for over 50 actual jobs, and then I also sent off around 100,
:07:13. > :07:19.150 speculative letters, and I got nothing back. Absolutely nothing.
:07:20. > :07:25.How did that make you feel? It's just, honestly, you can't even
:07:25. > :07:27.describe the knockbacks, waiting for the post, and checking your e-
:07:27. > :07:31.mails every ten minutes and checking your phone to see if
:07:31. > :07:35.anybody has contacted you. How did it feel when you got the letter and
:07:35. > :07:42.got the yes to the job? It was amazing. The motivation, I have got
:07:42. > :07:46.something to get up for in the morning.
:07:46. > :07:49.These trainees, though, say they are the lucky ones. On this project
:07:49. > :07:53.there are only 28 places, and they are all full. Work on the site
:07:53. > :07:56.started six weeks ago. And since then, there has been a steady
:07:56. > :08:00.stream of young people, who have seen what's happening here and are
:08:00. > :08:07.trying to get involved. Not a week has gone by when someone hasn't
:08:07. > :08:11.tapped on the foreman's window, asking for work. Let's discuss
:08:11. > :08:19.first of all what unemployment does to you. Someone who hasn't got a
:08:19. > :08:22.job. What does unemployment do to you? You don't know what to do. You
:08:22. > :08:26.come out, you try to look for a job, you have no job, you are just
:08:26. > :08:29.sitting at home, Monday to Friday, doing nothing. It gets to a point
:08:29. > :08:33.thaw don't know what to do, you don't have a routine, you don't
:08:33. > :08:36.know what day is what day. Does it make you think differently about
:08:36. > :08:39.yourself? Definitely, you think there is something wrong with you,
:08:39. > :08:42.something must be wrong with you can't get a job, you are trying,
:08:42. > :08:45.you are putting yourself out there, you can't get anything. You think
:08:45. > :08:51.why bother, you might as well stay at home and sleep. What am I doing
:08:51. > :08:56.with my life, period. Anyone else want to add to that?
:08:56. > :09:00.name is Katie, I'm an unemployed graduate. It is absolutely true, it
:09:00. > :09:05.makes people judge you as well, because you are made to feel that
:09:05. > :09:08.eventhough there aren't enough jobs for everyone, there isn't even
:09:08. > :09:11.enough jobs for the young unemployed to find work, people
:09:11. > :09:19.make you feel, the media in particular, make you feel it is
:09:19. > :09:23.your fault, you are to blame. is your day like, most of us, get
:09:23. > :09:28.up, go to work or education, if you are not doing that, someone tell me
:09:28. > :09:32.what your day is like? All your day is like, you just are laid in bed,
:09:32. > :09:37.and you don't really want to get up. Because you have nothing to get up
:09:37. > :09:41.for. Nothing at all. All you are wanting to do is get up late, get
:09:41. > :09:47.up later in the afternoon, and then half your day is gone. The business
:09:47. > :09:51.of searching for a job, other job - - are the job centres working?
:09:51. > :09:56.is useless going to the Jobcentre, they do nothing for you. You go in,
:09:56. > :10:01.you look for jobs, and they give you no help whatsoever. I have been
:10:01. > :10:04.to the Jobcentre, and I have been to look for a job, I have been on
:10:04. > :10:09.recruitment agencies, when you go into a Jobcentre, as a graduate,
:10:09. > :10:14.the jobs I get on there are not the jobs that I want to aim for. They
:10:14. > :10:24.are jobs that pay maybe minimum wage, some are inteornships, not in
:10:24. > :10:28.the relevant areas -- inteornships, not in the relevant areas. What
:10:28. > :10:32.about the atmosphere inside job centres, has anyone much experience
:10:32. > :10:35.of that? When I go into the Jobcentre I feel like it is a
:10:36. > :10:41.conveyor-belt. They just go in every two weeks. You tell them what
:10:41. > :10:44.you have been doing, and right, fine, next person come in. You
:10:45. > :10:54.don't get someone talking to you, helping you, trying to get into a
:10:54. > :10:58.job, it is just, next. It is a conveyor-belt. Anyone else? You are
:10:58. > :11:03.just a statistic, you go to the next person, you sign off, here is
:11:03. > :11:10.your money, next person, please. They try to get you off the system,
:11:10. > :11:15.off benefits and off jobseekers', and into any work, they don't Kay.
:11:15. > :11:19.What does it make you feel about yourself? You are disposal, the
:11:19. > :11:24.next person to come in. You don't feel like a purpose in life. It is
:11:24. > :11:28.a neverending cycle of despair. Somebody in that film mentioned the
:11:28. > :11:32.business of sending off application forms, and into the even getting an
:11:32. > :11:38.acknowledgement. Not getting any kind of reply. What's that like?
:11:38. > :11:43.have sent off, I'm a recent graduate. I got a good degree from
:11:43. > :11:48.a good university, I sent off maybe 120 different applications, I have
:11:48. > :11:52.heard back from about 10-15% of those, it is always generic replies,
:11:52. > :11:57.saying we can't give you any feedback because we have had over
:11:57. > :12:01.400 applicants for one job. Anyone else got this experience of not
:12:01. > :12:05.getting a response? I have sent out many CVs and e-mails to many
:12:05. > :12:09.different places, no replies, the frustrating thing is it doesn't
:12:09. > :12:13.only matter thra they don't reply to you, if they do reply to you,
:12:13. > :12:16.they can't really point out exactly why they don't want you. You don't
:12:16. > :12:26.know what to work to improve. Therefore, you are just stuck in
:12:26. > :12:28.
:12:29. > :12:32.that same position, over and over again.
:12:32. > :12:37.You hear these people saying how will I pay my way in the world and
:12:37. > :12:45.get a job, what is the single most important piece of advice to give
:12:45. > :12:49.to them? Until the economy is growing it lr difficult to the
:12:49. > :12:53.young people to get a job. That is pretty cold? We have to be honest
:12:53. > :12:56.with the young people. This problem didn't start in may 2010, it is
:12:56. > :12:59.longer dated, however, it has got much worse in the last year,
:12:59. > :13:03.because the economy isn't growing. One other point, I think is really
:13:03. > :13:07.important, there is a syndrome that affects many young people who come
:13:07. > :13:10.to see me in my constituency, in my constituency, Jeremy, the number of
:13:10. > :13:15.young unemployed has more than doubled in just this year. What
:13:15. > :13:19.they say is, if you haven't got a job you can't get experience, and
:13:19. > :13:23.if you can't get experience you can't get a job. That is a vicious
:13:23. > :13:27.circle that turns into long-term youth unemployment, which backs
:13:27. > :13:36.long-term adult unemployment. That is the danger. It is the wrong
:13:36. > :13:40.moment and occasion for us to get into a political debate.
:13:40. > :13:43.Let focus on the point about the point of not having experience and
:13:43. > :13:47.getting a job. One of the things we have done, most important of all. I
:13:47. > :13:51.think you are all dealing with one big challenge in particular, which
:13:51. > :13:55.is employers are reluctant to take on somebody fresh from school,
:13:55. > :13:57.college or university without experience. That shows through
:13:57. > :14:00.quite extensively in all the conversations I have with young
:14:00. > :14:03.people struggling in the labour market. You have to persuade these
:14:04. > :14:10.companies to do it? We have put together a work experience scheme,
:14:10. > :14:13.which we lanched in the spring. Which so far is proving remarkably
:14:13. > :14:20.successful for getting half the young people through it back to
:14:20. > :14:24.work. I want to make sure everyone does that. It is something
:14:24. > :14:34.Jobcentre Plus should be doing for you, if not you should ask for that
:14:34. > :14:38.
:14:38. > :14:43.opportunity. I have done two years with the Prince's Trust and got a -
:14:43. > :14:46.- an apprenticeship. They offer less than minimum wage, for people
:14:46. > :14:49.who don't live at home they couldn't support themselves on that
:14:49. > :14:55.wage. What could the Government do to support them on that. A very
:14:55. > :14:59.particular point. You had your hand up? I just want to say, it has been
:14:59. > :15:02.said that a long of young people go to the cycle if they can't get
:15:02. > :15:06.experience they can't get a jobs, I volunteer at a youth organisation
:15:06. > :15:09.because I couldn't get experience and the Jobcentre didn't hire me,
:15:09. > :15:14.there is a promise at the end of the volunteering role that a job
:15:14. > :15:19.will come about. I am getting experience in youth work, because I
:15:19. > :15:25.want to be a juvenile justice social worker, however, there is
:15:25. > :15:30.not really jobs in that youth service, so you are looking for
:15:30. > :15:38.generic jobs like Marks & Spencers, they don't want to hire you vu,
:15:38. > :15:41.introduced any schemes to get expeer -- experience for those
:15:41. > :15:45.people. I accept the job market is difficult for people. You are doing
:15:45. > :15:48.the right thing by getting experience through volunteering and
:15:48. > :15:52.work experience. The most important thing is to do something that adds
:15:52. > :15:56.to your salability to an employer. What you are doing is absolutely
:15:56. > :16:00.right. You may well find, taking one of the big supermarkets, the
:16:00. > :16:04.local branch of the big supermarkets in my constituency has
:16:04. > :16:07.someone employed as the community outreach worker. It may come as you
:16:07. > :16:11.work for one of the big supermarkets and go into a role
:16:11. > :16:14.like that, it might lead to a youth worker role in a local authority.
:16:14. > :16:21.Always look for the potential of a job to lead somewhere, don't look
:16:21. > :16:25.at it as being an deadend. What is different from when any of us were
:16:25. > :16:28.looking for a job. When we were looking not only was there more
:16:28. > :16:34.industry in this country, there were fewer people coming from
:16:34. > :16:41.Eastern Europe and elsewhere in the world, willing to work hard for low
:16:41. > :16:44.wages. That is a huge change? of the challenges for a young
:16:44. > :16:49.person looking for a job and looking for someone with experience,
:16:49. > :16:53.we have discovered if we can get young people in the work place for
:16:53. > :16:58.a period of time and build a relationship with an employer, more
:16:58. > :17:02.often than not they stay with the employer or get into employment
:17:02. > :17:05.soon afterwards. It is quite often an employer will take someone with
:17:05. > :17:08.more experience, from another country, offering the been there
:17:08. > :17:14.and done it before. We have to get more of you into the work place to
:17:14. > :17:18.show what you can do, and those turn into jobs or apprenticeships.
:17:18. > :17:22.The job market has changed since you or I went into work, more
:17:22. > :17:25.people are in work in Britain today than when we graduated from
:17:25. > :17:27.university. I do think there is something else, we are in
:17:27. > :17:32.extraordinarily difficult economic times in Britain and Europe, that
:17:32. > :17:35.means that the normal measures you take aren't just going to work. The
:17:35. > :17:38.programme of giving people job interviews and trying to give them
:17:38. > :17:41.preparation, works in times of economic growth, when you have got
:17:41. > :17:45.economic stagnation, I think, if you want to prevent long-term
:17:45. > :17:48.unemployment, you do need to say to young people f you have been
:17:48. > :17:54.unemployed for six or nine months we will guarantee you a job, to
:17:54. > :18:00.break that cycle of no job-no experience. What sort of a job,
:18:00. > :18:05.where will you find these jobs? have experience from 200-2010 of a
:18:05. > :18:12.programme that guaranteed young people employment. Youth
:18:12. > :18:16.unemployment has been rising since 2004? Long-term unemployment, there
:18:16. > :18:18.are 70,000 young people long-term unemployed more than six months.
:18:18. > :18:22.That is the problem for the society as a whole. When you asked what
:18:22. > :18:24.does it feel like for you. We know if you are long-term unemployed as
:18:24. > :18:28.a youngster you are much more likely to be long-term unemployed
:18:28. > :18:34.as an adult. That is bad for the people here the economy. You have
:18:34. > :18:37.had your hand up in the middle for ages. I would just like to point
:18:37. > :18:42.out, I think David was going on about youth unemployment. I think
:18:42. > :18:46.that's at the highest at the moment, I think that is also due to part of
:18:46. > :18:50.the demonisation of young people in the media. There is a lot of
:18:50. > :18:55.courses that the Jobcentre are doing at the moment, there is one
:18:55. > :19:00.particular one called Work Trials, you go into a job unpaid for 30
:19:00. > :19:04.days. Hopefully they may take you on after it. But that is never the
:19:04. > :19:10.case, because they can't pay you, they can't pay you to do that job.
:19:10. > :19:14.People are just going in after 30 days. Experience may be that, that
:19:14. > :19:18.is not the experience across the board for schemes like that. We are
:19:19. > :19:21.seeing more than half the young people going into placement with
:19:21. > :19:24.employers, getting into work with that employer or within a month of
:19:24. > :19:31.leaving that period of trial work. It does make a difference.
:19:31. > :19:35.In the front row over here? Chris Grayling, you said that you
:19:35. > :19:39.think there needs to be much greater responsibility on the
:19:39. > :19:46.individual to find work, and not just the employer, if so, what are
:19:46. > :19:50.you doing to help young people with this ability to help them get jobs?
:19:50. > :19:53.What we have done for young people with disabilities, in particular
:19:54. > :19:57.you need a much more specialised and personalised support to get
:19:57. > :20:01.into work. That also applies to the long-term unemployed. The work
:20:01. > :20:05.programme we have launched, which started in June, offers to young
:20:05. > :20:10.people, either after three months or nine months, and to people with
:20:10. > :20:13.disabilities, straight away, personalised, specialised support
:20:13. > :20:17.from expert recruitment firms, only paid when they are successful in
:20:17. > :20:20.getting you into work. Early days we are seeing good numbers in young
:20:21. > :20:26.people getting into work. That specialist support is there for you
:20:26. > :20:30.now. Have you had specialist support as a disabled person?
:20:30. > :20:38.Sorry? Have you had specialist support? Support from the Jobcentre
:20:38. > :20:42.because you are disabled? Yeah, from my DA at the Jobcentre. Let's
:20:42. > :20:46.talk a little bit about education. We have heard already from several
:20:46. > :20:50.graduates here, desappointed that they are clearly haven't been able
:20:50. > :20:54.to find jobs that seem to be suited to the education that they have had.
:20:54. > :21:02.Let's hear from a couple more students or graduates about the
:21:02. > :21:05.experience of trying to find a job. I'm a third-year geography student,
:21:05. > :21:09.I have found student means testing doesn't give me a loan that covers
:21:09. > :21:13.my rent. For the entire of my degree I have had to fund my rent
:21:13. > :21:16.by finding part-time employment, and that came to a head this year
:21:16. > :21:24.when the only employment I could find would be working in a
:21:24. > :21:30.nightclub, I would be working 13- hour shifts from 5.00pm to 7.00pm,
:21:30. > :21:36.I couldn't do my degree with shifts like that. Do you regret starting
:21:36. > :21:40.the degree? I almost do, thinking what could I have done with the
:21:40. > :21:44.time, I have to think is part-time employment or good grades, I can't
:21:44. > :21:50.do the two things. Anyone else want to talk about university education
:21:50. > :21:53.and what it leads to or not? I'm a graduate. People seem really
:21:53. > :21:57.shocked when you have the audacity to believe that you should want
:21:57. > :22:04.fulfiling work, that you should just be able to take anything, when,
:22:04. > :22:10.frankly, we do deserve what we want. If the system. Why? Why do you
:22:10. > :22:14.think you deserve it? Previous generations have had it, we need
:22:14. > :22:17.fulfiling, economically and eek logically viable work. If the
:22:17. > :22:21.economic system can't afford that, quite frankly we can't afford the
:22:21. > :22:24.economic system and we need to change it. Your argument is you are
:22:24. > :22:29.being offered the wrong kind of job? My argument is there is not
:22:29. > :22:37.enough jobs out there, the industry has been sold off. Any jobs? A lot
:22:37. > :22:41.of our industry has been sold off in the 1980s. I's talking a lot of
:22:41. > :22:46.good sense. -- He's talking a lot of good sense. Our economy is
:22:47. > :22:51.smaller than it used to be, the people here are facing the prospect
:22:51. > :22:54.that our economy is not back there. That is an important part of
:22:54. > :22:58.explaining. I don't think we want to get into a political debate, but
:22:58. > :23:01.it is also the case that there are 250,000 more people in work today
:23:01. > :23:05.than there were at the time of the general election. But I don't want
:23:05. > :23:10.us to have a political debate about this, we need to deliver practical
:23:10. > :23:13.solutions. Yes, of course. Can I go back to the point raised earlier,
:23:13. > :23:17.about the challenge of simply pumping out the CVs, because I
:23:17. > :23:22.think it is one of the biggest challenges and it affects job
:23:23. > :23:27.seekers of all ages. If you look at it from the other side, a small or
:23:27. > :23:29.medium-sized firm, you get 200 CVs, your ability to provide
:23:29. > :23:32.personalised responses to those you don't want to interview is tough,
:23:32. > :23:35.you can't do it and run your business. One of the things I hope
:23:35. > :23:38.to do during the work programme, designed for those really
:23:38. > :23:42.struggling to get into work, to provide personalised and really
:23:42. > :23:46.individualised help to find the right job, is that we will be able
:23:46. > :23:50.to short change that link, and what we will be able to do is match
:23:50. > :23:54.individuals to a job opportunity to a much greater degree. I describe
:23:54. > :23:56.it as a giant employment dating service, it is about professional
:23:57. > :24:00.organisations identifying vacancies and matching them. You can only
:24:00. > :24:07.have a dating agency with two willing partners? Each week, still
:24:07. > :24:10.now, Jobcentre Plus alone is receiving 90,000 vacancies, that is
:24:10. > :24:13.five million vacancies a year. are there nearly a million
:24:13. > :24:17.unemployed young people? We have to make sure young people struggling
:24:17. > :24:19.to get into the job market get into those jobs. Why don't you just
:24:19. > :24:24.admit, there is a shortage of jobs, due to the economic circumstances
:24:24. > :24:29.we are in, and we will not be able to meet them all they demand?
:24:29. > :24:32.can look at it and say there is no solution, I look at it differently.
:24:32. > :24:35.There are a large number of vacancies in the economy at any one
:24:35. > :24:40.time, I want to help those struggling to get into the labour
:24:40. > :24:44.market to do so. With specialised support through the work programme,
:24:44. > :24:48.work experience scheme through Jobcentre Plus, and do everything
:24:48. > :24:52.we can to get you into the vacancies that are there. Three
:24:52. > :24:58.there may not be vacancies we would wish, but for every young person
:24:58. > :25:03.there is an opportunity to get a job. I have a masters degrees,
:25:03. > :25:08.there are 2.5 job seekers in Britain today seeking one million
:25:08. > :25:14.jobs. It shows the main political parties in Britain see youth
:25:14. > :25:18.unemployment as a price worth playing, you shouldn't say it is
:25:18. > :25:23.the cloim mate. You should get people building houses for the
:25:23. > :25:28.council house waiting lists. Let's look at where the jobs will come
:25:28. > :25:32.from? The policies Chris is coming out with, the work academy scheme,
:25:32. > :25:35.when the last unemployment figures were announced. Unpaid work
:25:35. > :25:39.experience, working for your dole, for 50,000 of the one million
:25:39. > :25:41.people out of work. It is not creating any more jobs, it is
:25:41. > :25:46.readvertising jobs already advertised.
:25:46. > :25:49.David Miliband where are the new jobs coming from? The industries in
:25:49. > :25:53.which Britain is strong, everything from pharmaceuticals to business
:25:53. > :25:56.services, even the much derided financial services, these are the
:25:56. > :26:00.areas where the growing middle- classes in Asia, India and China
:26:00. > :26:04.will need to be serviced from. If we are ready to skill ourselves up,
:26:04. > :26:08.and develop our economy, grow our economy, the young people here can
:26:08. > :26:12.fill them. I would just like to say one thing to Chris, he doesn't have
:26:12. > :26:15.to believe me, but listen to himself. At the beginning you say
:26:15. > :26:18.you understand these people can't break into the job market and at
:26:18. > :26:23.the moment they need help. You can't say just rely on the economic
:26:23. > :26:27.cycle to pick them up. There is a real issue of young people at the
:26:27. > :26:30.bottom of the pile, when the employers you talk about receive
:26:30. > :26:38.their CVs, we need to help them in their country and the country's
:26:38. > :26:42.industries get up the pile, women dopbl that if we break the cycle --
:26:42. > :26:46.we can only do that if we break the cycle and give them a job.
:26:46. > :26:50.You have had your hand up for a while? I think it should be the
:26:50. > :26:56.responsibility of the Government of the day to ensure that there is a
:26:56. > :27:02.job, or at least a training programme for graduates to go into.
:27:02. > :27:08.Least of all the coalition have now increased the tuition fees, so much,
:27:08. > :27:11.they should be accountable and very responsible for making sure that
:27:11. > :27:15.graduates aren't going to come out. Maybe you should choose a degree
:27:15. > :27:18.that will get awe job? It is ten times harder not to have a degree.
:27:18. > :27:22.Those here with a degree saying it is tough, it is ten times harder if
:27:22. > :27:27.you haven't a degree. Complaining about the degree they have chosen
:27:27. > :27:31.isn't the issue. I think that is an insult. Maybe people should have
:27:31. > :27:36.lower expectations, do you think that is a solution? No, because
:27:36. > :27:42.when you or I went to university, there were 12% of the population,
:27:42. > :27:46.in Korea it is 80%, in the UK it is 60%. The idea that for Britain
:27:46. > :27:49.there is a future in less education, that is a recipe for absolute
:27:49. > :27:53.disaster. I would argue that what we need in terms of skills, and
:27:53. > :27:56.what we have done is increase significantly the number of
:27:56. > :28:00.apprenticeships, aimed particularly at young people not graduates. We
:28:00. > :28:04.have a challenge with graduates, I want to help them get into careers
:28:04. > :28:11.that meet the aspirations and thecation they have had. I also
:28:11. > :28:15.want young people at the school age having skills to last a lifetime.
:28:15. > :28:18.With apprenticeships, it was great to see the young lady in the film
:28:19. > :28:23.moving into the apprenticeship, that is one path to build skills
:28:23. > :28:27.that last a lifetime. I'm glad the coalition Government are
:28:27. > :28:31.emphasising the importance of apprenticeships. I hope Chris
:28:31. > :28:34.agrees, a lot of apprenticeships are at level two. We have to make
:28:34. > :28:38.sure if we want them in the jobs of the future, they are at the
:28:38. > :28:42.equivalent of A-level standard. Unless we are willing to invest in
:28:42. > :28:47.that level of skill we will get out competing. We are doing that, and
:28:47. > :28:50.level 3 apprenticeships. Right, I would just like to look forward. We
:28:50. > :28:55.have raised this question of where the future jobs are going to come
:28:55. > :29:01.from. And you are all in a difficult place right now with the
:29:01. > :29:05.sirbgs as they are. Any of you feel -- the situation as they are now.
:29:05. > :29:08.Any of you feel optimistic that this can't last this bleak future?
:29:08. > :29:11.I think the situation will get better, and people will find jobs,
:29:11. > :29:15.I think young people should keep their hopes up, keep applying.
:29:15. > :29:20.There is no point lying in bed until 12.00, that won't really help
:29:20. > :29:23.you. It does, the future does look bleak for us, but with the help of
:29:23. > :29:27.you guy, instead of arguing on stage and having a go at each other,
:29:27. > :29:33.maybe you should work together and maybe go forward and do something
:29:33. > :29:43.about it. Because, for us, buying a home doesn't seem possible at the
:29:43. > :29:43.
:29:43. > :29:47.moment. I think the key is to obtain experience alongside your
:29:47. > :29:51.education, so you have a competitive age. A lot of
:29:51. > :29:55.internships are unpaid, it exclude people who can't afford to. You do
:29:55. > :30:00.feel you will find a job eventually? There is a lot of jobs
:30:00. > :30:07.around there, a lot of people are excluded who aren't able to take on
:30:07. > :30:10.unpaid work. Ifrpblgt I came into unemployment -- I came into
:30:10. > :30:14.employment through college myself. I wanted to do a song writing
:30:14. > :30:19.course, it just was brought into the college, I enrolled in the
:30:19. > :30:22.college, I had done one year at college, the day I went to start my
:30:22. > :30:27.college course it got cancelled. And I never found out about it
:30:27. > :30:31.until the day I actually went into college, one of the teachers said
:30:31. > :30:35.to me, why are you here, the course has been cancelled. And then I said
:30:35. > :30:42.what are you going to do about it, they turned around and said, you
:30:42. > :30:48.can do nails, beauty, hairdressing, I said what's that got to do with
:30:48. > :30:52.writing songs, I want to sing, what has that got to do with anything.
:30:52. > :30:56.They may lead to jobs. When you guys look at the future do you have
:30:56. > :30:59.reason to feel positive, other than getting out of the economic crisis
:30:59. > :31:03.we are in, and then the economy will grow. From the experience of
:31:03. > :31:07.my constituency, when I meet some of those 385 young people
:31:07. > :31:12.registered as claiming unemployment, I think they have a huge amount to
:31:12. > :31:15.contribute to the country. No-one is denying they have a contribution
:31:15. > :31:19.to make? I don't believe it is despair, the truth s we have a
:31:19. > :31:23.better educated young population, the competition is there. They are
:31:23. > :31:26.still unemployed? There are things you can do about it, we have talked
:31:26. > :31:31.about some tonight. I don't believe we should offer false hope. The
:31:31. > :31:34.idea we are doomed to economic decline seems to me to be
:31:34. > :31:37.completely wrong. What advice would you give, then,
:31:37. > :31:41.to somebody in their early 20s, graduate or entering straight into
:31:41. > :31:46.the work force, who is applying, continuously, actively job
:31:46. > :31:50.searching, and just not getting anywhere. Someone who is slowly
:31:50. > :31:54.giving up hope. What advice can you give, what can you tell them their
:31:54. > :31:57.future will be like? What I say to the young people in my own
:31:57. > :32:00.constituency is to get some experience, unless they get the
:32:00. > :32:02.experience they won't make the breakthrough. Part of the reason
:32:02. > :32:05.I'm doing this unemployment commission for the charity that you
:32:05. > :32:10.explained at the beginning, is I think there is room for politicians
:32:10. > :32:13.not to pass the buck, but actual loi to say we will build on the --
:32:13. > :32:19.actually say we will build on the ideas whether they come from the
:32:19. > :32:23.right or left to bring the country forward. I think we should have a
:32:23. > :32:26.constructive discussion about building on ideas like
:32:26. > :32:31.apprenticeships and my ideas. Many of the young people I spoke to say
:32:31. > :32:34.getting to the job or the job interview is a real issue. We have
:32:34. > :32:37.to find common ground in taking it forward. If you wrote down the six
:32:37. > :32:42.or seven things that would make a difference you could really help
:32:42. > :32:46.people. I think that's absolutely right. So the lady I will say, we
:32:46. > :32:51.will look together, I will listen carefully and talk to David about
:32:51. > :32:55.his commission's findings. My main advice is don't give up. For the
:32:55. > :32:58.young people going on to job seekers' allowance, two-thirds move
:32:58. > :33:01.quickly within three months. I would say if you can't find the job
:33:01. > :33:05.you want on day one, think laterally, find a way that gives
:33:05. > :33:08.you a path to where you want to go, a couple of jobs down the road,
:33:08. > :33:12.don't think because I have not found a job in the area I did a
:33:12. > :33:16.degree course in, for example, I can't get there if I go via a
:33:16. > :33:20.different route. Take a job, it is better to get into employment, and
:33:20. > :33:24.we will give you all the help we can, and work your way from where
:33:25. > :33:29.you are from being in a job rather than being out of a job. The who
:33:29. > :33:32.said what to whom and by the way anybody got any idea how many
:33:32. > :33:36.terrorist criminals and the rest wandered into Britain as a result,
:33:36. > :33:39.the row is no nearer settlement. Brodie Clark, the man who resigned
:33:39. > :33:43.as head of the Border Force, claimed today that the reputation
:33:43. > :33:47.built over 40 years was trashed in two days by the Home Secretary. Yet
:33:47. > :33:52.he admitted that on 50 occasions this summer alone, procedures
:33:52. > :33:55.designed to keep Britain safe had been suspended. We report.
:33:55. > :34:01.Two men charged with protecting your borders, one Secretary of
:34:01. > :34:07.State, three conflicting accounts, a suspension, an investigation, a
:34:07. > :34:10.suspension pay-off that never -- a pension pay-off that never was, it
:34:10. > :34:14.is Whitehall intrigue. The man at the heart of the row is Brodie
:34:14. > :34:19.Clark, until recently, head of the UK Border Force. Over 40 years I
:34:19. > :34:24.built up a reputation, and over two days that reputation has been
:34:24. > :34:31.destroyed. And I believe that has been largely from the contributions
:34:31. > :34:34.made by the Home Secretary. The UK Border Force has been pressing for
:34:34. > :34:39.an intelligence-led approach. Passengers perceived to be high-
:34:39. > :34:42.risk would be given for detailed checks, freeing up staff to be used
:34:42. > :34:45.elsewhere. The Home Secretary agreed a pilot scheme this spring,
:34:45. > :34:51.some relaxation were allowed, for example, children of EU nationals
:34:51. > :34:54.would not be fully checked. At the heart of the dispute is whether
:34:54. > :34:58.certain border controls for foreign nationals were relaxed. When
:34:58. > :35:02.foreign nationals apply for visas abroad, their finger prints are
:35:02. > :35:05.taken, and they are checked biomettically when they come into
:35:05. > :35:10.the country. We are told the Home Secretary wanted to keep these
:35:10. > :35:14.controls in place, and she told Clark this. In may, June and July
:35:14. > :35:24.this year, finger print matching was suspended at Heathrow 50 times.
:35:24. > :35:31.
:35:31. > :35:34.The Home Office do have the exact data but this is thousands of times
:35:34. > :35:38.across the period of time that this pilot was running, from the middle
:35:38. > :35:43.of July until a week after the story broke. The Home Secretary,
:35:43. > :35:47.here at heath throw, relied on Brodie Clark to implement policy.
:35:47. > :35:50.Mr Clarke said today that abandoning finger print checks this
:35:50. > :35:53.year did not go beyond her wishes, because suspending some higher
:35:53. > :35:58.level checks has always been part of the policy at times when queues
:35:58. > :36:05.become so big they threaten health and safety at ports. It was not
:36:05. > :36:11.part of the pilot, it has been in place through the Home Office
:36:11. > :36:15.warnings index policy since June of 2007. So it is a piece of standard
:36:15. > :36:19.practice for the operation, in particular times, where health and
:36:19. > :36:22.safety begins to present a threat to people who are coming through
:36:22. > :36:27.the border. Did you raise this with ministers when you were discussing
:36:27. > :36:34.the pilot, or at any other time after that? I don't recognise
:36:34. > :36:44.collect that I did. But -- Recollect that I did. But form
:36:44. > :36:48.irofficers I spoke today to said the relaxation don't match up? How
:36:48. > :36:54.many times do health and safety mean a relaxing of the checks?
:36:54. > :36:59.can think of a maximum of three occasions since it was introduced
:36:59. > :37:03.in 2007. Just three occasions, when, of course, there were thousands of
:37:03. > :37:07.occasions when the reduced checks were highlights. That's right.
:37:07. > :37:11.is highly unlikely this was due to health and safety? It would be
:37:11. > :37:14.difficult to see how that would bear up to investigation. I was not
:37:14. > :37:18.aware that the extension of the relaxation of checks had taken
:37:18. > :37:23.place, I was not aware, as I have set out in my initial statement, a
:37:23. > :37:29.number of relaxations were put in place, by officials. Brodie Clark,
:37:29. > :37:33.as I understand it, has admitted to the chief executive of UK BA, that
:37:33. > :37:39.he did go beyond ministerial authority, I was not aware this had
:37:39. > :37:44.been done. Brodie Clark's boss at the UK Border Agency agreed.
:37:44. > :37:49.Ministerial instruction, to use secure ID, was not being applied. I
:37:49. > :37:55.think I was right to suspend Mr Clark in order that those matters
:37:55. > :37:58.would be investigated. Brodie Clark is bringing a case of unfair
:37:58. > :38:01.dismissal. Some might say his treatment appears brutal. He was
:38:01. > :38:06.publicly named and shamed. And a first offer to give him the chance
:38:06. > :38:11.to retire early with the financial package was quickly withdrawn.
:38:11. > :38:15.My very clear recollection of events, Mr Michael, is at the
:38:15. > :38:19.break-up of the meeting, Brodie and I had a conversation where it was
:38:19. > :38:23.discussed that he would talk to HR, which he did. I did not suggest a
:38:23. > :38:29.retirement, but I did discuss one with him. Is it correct that you
:38:29. > :38:34.were offered retirement from your post at that time? Ifrpblgt he put
:38:34. > :38:39.to me that I would be -- He put to me that I was suspended and an
:38:39. > :38:43.investigation would commence. He said I could take retirement.
:38:43. > :38:46.the same meeting saying you were suspended he offered you
:38:46. > :38:51.retirement? He advised I should take it. There are key minutes of
:38:51. > :38:53.meetings and e-mails that would help the committee's report, so far
:38:54. > :38:57.the Home Office has declined to provide them until other
:38:58. > :39:01.investigations are complete, in the new year. Richard Watson is here.
:39:01. > :39:06.Is Theresa May off the hook? think she's much stronger tonight,
:39:06. > :39:11.actually. I think Brodie Clark has a problem, which we outlined in the
:39:11. > :39:14.film. These documents we obtained from inside the UK Border Force e-
:39:15. > :39:17.mails confirm really the nature of the finger print checks were being
:39:17. > :39:21.discussed, withdrawing those in certain circumstances, on many,
:39:21. > :39:24.many occasions. Many hundreds of occasions. Given that, I think he
:39:24. > :39:28.has a tough job explaining why he didn't inform the Home Secretary
:39:28. > :39:34.fully about that, and if he didn't, which it appears he didn't. He has
:39:34. > :39:38.some very tough questions to answer. If the politicians eurozone thought
:39:38. > :39:42.they had dowsed the fire, they were wrong. It even started licking
:39:43. > :39:47.around France today, while Italy found the cost of borrowing
:39:47. > :39:51.moneying 7% today, and the European Commission -- money 7% today. And
:39:51. > :39:55.the European Commission told there would be confirmation it would do
:39:55. > :39:58.what it is told. It was short of asking for signatures in blood,
:39:58. > :40:01.only just. Whatever the outcome there will be a new Europe at the
:40:01. > :40:05.end of all this. Trying to get a fix on what it might be like, I
:40:05. > :40:11.spokes today to the Prime Minister of Denmark.
:40:11. > :40:14.They are also not in the euro, but about to assume the presidency of
:40:15. > :40:19.the EU in a few weeks time. Prime Minister, you must be rather
:40:19. > :40:26.pleased that the people of Denmark decided not to join the euro?
:40:26. > :40:29.have always been in favour of the euro, I still am. Really, it is a
:40:29. > :40:32.disaster? I don't think the euro has been a disaster. We have
:40:32. > :40:35.differences and difficulties in Europe right now. But I think that
:40:35. > :40:39.is nothing to do with the euro. That is to do with member states
:40:39. > :40:45.that are not capable of keeping their economy in order. You still
:40:45. > :40:50.would like Denmark to join the euro? Yeah, I would. Right now?
:40:50. > :40:54.Right now we are not putting it to a referendum. The euro is too much
:40:54. > :40:57.of a moving target to put to a referendum. In principle, it would
:40:57. > :41:01.be good for Denmark to join the euro. Even under these
:41:01. > :41:05.circumstances? I think this is a difficult situation. This is the
:41:05. > :41:11.biggest crisis we have had in the euro ever, but I also think that it
:41:11. > :41:16.is not the problems, it is not the euro that is causing the problems.
:41:16. > :41:20.The cause of these problems is the member-states have not been capable
:41:20. > :41:24.of keeping their economy in order. That's why, what is needed now,
:41:24. > :41:32.more than anything, is that each individual member-state keeps their
:41:32. > :41:36.house in order. When we look at Europe, currently faced with a 17 -
:41:36. > :41:40.- currently comprised with 17 member states inside the euro and
:41:40. > :41:44.ten outside the euro. In ten years time you don't think it will be
:41:44. > :41:48.like this? There are certain member-states that are out and
:41:48. > :41:53.planning to join the euro, we still have member-states joining the euro.
:41:53. > :41:56.If you had your way there is only one state not the euro that is
:41:56. > :42:00.Britain? We have to accept that we have some member states that don't
:42:00. > :42:05.want to join the euro. We have some member states very happy with the
:42:05. > :42:08.euro, and wouldn't live without it. What we need to do in Europe right
:42:08. > :42:14.now is to make sure we have an understanding for the 17 and the
:42:14. > :42:17.decisions they have to take together. But we also keep the 27
:42:17. > :42:22.firmly together, in a crisis, I think that is even more important.
:42:22. > :42:26.But there is a danger, isn't there, that if you have 17 within the euro
:42:26. > :42:31.and ten outside the euro, that the 17 get together, in order to make
:42:31. > :42:35.the euro, as they see it, work, and that has bad consequences,
:42:35. > :42:40.potentially, for the ten outside, and consequences furthermore about
:42:40. > :42:46.which they can do nothing? I think we need to understand the countries
:42:46. > :42:49.that are not in the euro. We need to understand there are certain
:42:49. > :42:52.issues that the 17 euro member countries need to sort out
:42:52. > :42:57.themselves. I have no problem understanding that. I also think it
:42:57. > :43:04.is very important that all of us, the 27 are together in the same
:43:05. > :43:08.room, when we take decisions that affect all of us. During the Danish
:43:08. > :43:13.presidency, during which time your country is going to have to help
:43:13. > :43:17.some how sort out the whole crisis in the eurozone. Isn't the
:43:17. > :43:22.inevitable tendency that there will be irresistable power for the
:43:22. > :43:27.repatriation of powers, from the centre, to member states. We need
:43:27. > :43:33.to see how that discussion pans out in Europe. We still don't know. I
:43:33. > :43:37.think what we should focus on now, is to solve the crisis, consolidate
:43:37. > :43:41.our economies, have the necessary discipline in each individual
:43:41. > :43:47.member-state. And after that, we should focus on growth and new jobs.
:43:47. > :43:51.I think what people want from us now, is to focus on growth and new
:43:51. > :43:55.jobs, not institutional changes, not long debates in Europe, but
:43:55. > :43:59.growth and new jobs. If I can make any difference in Europe in the
:43:59. > :44:04.next six months this is the difference I would like to make.
:44:04. > :44:08.when people suggest in this country that the destiny within Europe that
:44:08. > :44:13.Britain ought to see, is some sort of leadership position, or highly
:44:13. > :44:18.influential position, within the group of ten not within the euro,
:44:18. > :44:23.that is something, what do you think about it? I think it is in
:44:23. > :44:27.the interests of all the countries that are not in the euro, to keep
:44:27. > :44:33.the 27 countries together. I think it is really important, in a crisis
:44:33. > :44:38.like we have now, that the 27 that decided to be in the same club,
:44:38. > :44:41.stick together. If we start spliting off in different groupings,
:44:41. > :44:47.I don't think we will create a strong Europe. Prime Minister,
:44:47. > :44:51.thank you. David Miliband, who in a previous
:44:51. > :44:55.life was Foreign Secretary is still here. Do you share the Danish Prime
:44:55. > :44:58.Minister's continuing enthusiasm for the euro? Not in quite the same
:44:58. > :45:01.degree of commitment. The economic circumstances aren't right for
:45:01. > :45:06.Britain, I don't see them being right in the foreseeable future.
:45:06. > :45:10.She made a really important point, though, the European Union faces
:45:10. > :45:13.two futures, one that the 17 run the whole show, with Britain and
:45:13. > :45:20.countries like Denmark effectively in a second division. Or, you find
:45:20. > :45:23.a way for the 27, all 27 countries to work together, some of them
:45:23. > :45:28.leading on macro-economic issues to do with the euro, others, including
:45:28. > :45:32.us playing a forward role, whether on energy, foreign policy or
:45:32. > :45:36.defence. That is a fateful choice for Britain. For 40 years
:45:36. > :45:39.Governments of both parties in this country have tried to avoid a two-
:45:39. > :45:43.speed Europe, that is the danger emerging at the moment. Hearing you
:45:44. > :45:49.talk like that, it is quite like old times. I wish Jeremy. You still
:45:49. > :45:59.have an appetite for the fight? course. Thank you. That is all from
:45:59. > :46:29.
:46:29. > :46:36.Hello there, lots of crowd and mist around overnight, fog patches too,
:46:36. > :46:40.it all adds up to a pretty grey start on Wednesday. Some places
:46:40. > :46:43.will have some sunshine, for many glum. Particularly in the western
:46:43. > :46:47.areas. For the western opinion nines and the Midlands expect a
:46:47. > :46:52.cloudy day. For parts of the east it may well cheer up, there could
:46:52. > :46:56.be sunshine, where we do get the sunshine, temperatures up to 12-1.
:46:56. > :46:59.It is not going to be much sunshine here. Outbreaks of rain working
:46:59. > :47:04.their way across Devon and Cornwall. That same area of rain will push
:47:04. > :47:09.into the west of Wales during the afternoon. Further north, because
:47:09. > :47:14.Northern Ireland's has some brightness early on. Drizzley rain
:47:14. > :47:17.at times to end the day. For most of Scotland it should be dry. Lots
:47:17. > :47:21.of cloud across central and southern Scotland. In the north we
:47:21. > :47:25.may well get sunshine. Again there could be stubborn fog patches.
:47:25. > :47:28.Things change on Wednesday through Thursday, rain working northwards,
:47:28. > :47:32.rain may return to Northern Ireland and western Scotland later on
:47:32. > :47:37.Thursday. For England and Wales, Thursday promises some bright or
:47:37. > :47:40.sunny spells. Where the sun comes out, temperatures into the teens.
:47:40. > :47:44.Cloudy across eastern England on Thursday, a good part of the day