:00:08. > :00:16.Tonight the parties claim they are polls apart on economic policy, how
:00:16. > :00:20.different are they really. Ahead of the autumn statement, we
:00:20. > :00:29.discover the differences between Labour and the Government come down
:00:29. > :00:32.to one third of 1%. Neither Osbourne or Ed Balls will ever
:00:32. > :00:36.quantify, there are never figures because the bubble will burst and
:00:36. > :00:40.we will see how close their plans are. We will ask economists and
:00:40. > :00:44.entrepeneurs on the right and left if the politicians are thinking
:00:44. > :00:46.radically enough. As Tahrir Square becomes the focus again of mass
:00:46. > :00:51.demonstrations, we will look at the divisions opening up in Egypt's
:00:51. > :00:55.opposition. An award-winning journalist tells us of her
:00:55. > :01:05.sustained assault by police in Cairo. And who done it, with
:01:05. > :01:08.
:01:08. > :01:13.parking rage on the south downs, we put Steve Smith on the case. The
:01:13. > :01:16.big question in UK politics right now is how to achieve growth. Next
:01:16. > :01:19.week's autumn statement may be under wraps, but the leader of the
:01:19. > :01:24.opposition has called it the moment when it is proved the Government's
:01:24. > :01:27.economic gamble has failed. Strong words, we decided it was time to
:01:27. > :01:33.look at the differences between the parties on economic policy. The
:01:33. > :01:39.results, as you might have guessed is mathematically waver thin, it is
:01:39. > :01:44.about one third of one per cent of Gross Domestic Product.
:01:44. > :01:52.We will hear radical thoughts from business and outside the sphere,
:01:52. > :01:55.first, David Grossman. The way the politicians charge around you would
:01:55. > :02:03.think they were contesting the whole pitch. Kicking the economic
:02:03. > :02:07.football from end-to-end. Making for exciting, almost
:02:07. > :02:12.exhilarating viewing. This week, again in the Commons, the party
:02:12. > :02:16.leaders clashed over their supposedly, vastly differing,
:02:16. > :02:20.economic plans. He was warned that his strategy of cutting too far and
:02:20. > :02:23.too fast, wouldn't create jobs, he was warned it wouldn't create
:02:23. > :02:30.growth, and he was warned he would find it harder to get the deficit
:02:30. > :02:34.down. Isn't that exactly what has happened. Is there a single other
:02:34. > :02:39.mainstream party anywhere in Europe, who thinks the answer to the debt
:02:39. > :02:44.problem is more spending and more borrowing? If he's worried, if he's
:02:44. > :02:48.worried about the level of debt, why is he proposing to add another
:02:48. > :02:53.�100 billion to it. It is the height of irresponsibility. The
:02:53. > :02:57.reason why people will never trust Labour with the economy again.
:02:57. > :03:01.However, at a macro-economic level, the area of dispute is very, very
:03:01. > :03:07.small. In the current financial year the coalition Government is
:03:07. > :03:11.planning to implement a fiscal tightening, tax increases and
:03:11. > :03:17.spending cuts, amounting to �24 billion taken out of the economy.
:03:17. > :03:23.The Labour's Government -- Labour Government's previous plan was
:03:23. > :03:30.cutting spending and tax is �19 billion, it is only a difference of
:03:30. > :03:35.�5 billion. The UK economy is �1,600 trillion, the disputed
:03:35. > :03:39.territory between the parties is �5 billion, less than a third of one
:03:39. > :03:43.per cent. In football terms, it is like both teams are kicking each
:03:43. > :03:48.other to pieces on a patch of ground four yards square. No wonder
:03:48. > :03:55.it is hard to watch, Labour suggesting cutting spending by an
:03:55. > :04:00.extra �5 billion will kill the economy stone dead. The coalition,
:04:00. > :04:09.borrowing �5 billion more will raise bond rates by Monday morning.
:04:09. > :04:13.You often hear about Freud's narcissism in politics.
:04:13. > :04:16.language between Labour and Tories couldn't be more different.
:04:16. > :04:21.Osbourne talks about austerity and the need for cuts, Ed Balls says it
:04:21. > :04:25.is wild and crazy, harsh and deep. When you compare their plans,
:04:25. > :04:28.Alistair Darling would have cut departmental spending by 2.2% a
:04:28. > :04:32.year, what is Osbourne doing? 3% a year. Are we supposed to believe
:04:32. > :04:36.there is a huge big difference between those two figures? Of
:04:36. > :04:40.course not. You will notice neither Osbourne or Balls will ever actual
:04:40. > :04:45.lie quantify, you never hear figures dropped in their rhetoric,
:04:45. > :04:48.because the bubble will burst and we will all see how close their
:04:48. > :04:51.plans are. Instead of a big battle over big numbers, you have
:04:51. > :04:55.skirmishes over who has the best collections of schemes, funds and
:04:55. > :05:00.plans to create growth. Today we saw the Deputy Prime
:05:00. > :05:02.Minister unveiling what the coalition calls its �1 billion
:05:03. > :05:08.youth contract, which, you understand, is vastly different
:05:08. > :05:13.from Labour's future jobs fund, which the coalition cut.
:05:13. > :05:16.Next Tuesday, the Chancellor will deliver his Pre-Budget Report. Many
:05:16. > :05:21.are predicting lots more new funds, plans and schemes adding up to,
:05:22. > :05:26.well, let's weight and see. The biggest story on Tuesday is likely
:05:26. > :05:30.to be after the Chancellor has sat down, when the Office for Budget
:05:30. > :05:34.Responsibility will give us its latest growth forecast. They will
:05:34. > :05:39.say the growth prospects have pretty much evaporated, and we
:05:39. > :05:43.should be settling down to a period of low growth and high debt, cheap
:05:43. > :05:47.debt, but you can't spend your way out of a debt crisis. That is what
:05:47. > :05:52.David Cameron is saying, but that is exactly what they are doing. Has
:05:52. > :05:56.gone up by 51% in the parliament. What would Labour have done? It
:05:56. > :06:02.would have gone up by 60%. Those figures are not different, George
:06:02. > :06:06.Osborne is still stuck in the groove settle by Gordon Brown. As
:06:06. > :06:11.he accurately said before the last election, that is a road to nowhere.
:06:11. > :06:15.The battle between the parties is always intense, sometimes angry,
:06:15. > :06:20.sometimes hitting the shins rather than the balls. They don't argue
:06:20. > :06:25.much on raw number, which in the grand scheme of things are only a
:06:25. > :06:29.few blades of grass apart. Joining me now, with their ideas
:06:29. > :06:34.for growth, Allister Heath, the editor of City AM, James Meadway a
:06:34. > :06:41.senior economics from the New Economics Foundation, and Julie
:06:42. > :06:45.Meyer the chief executive of investment group, Mariinsky capital.
:06:45. > :06:49.If those differences are well so small, what kind of radical plans
:06:49. > :06:55.would properly kick start the economy from your perspective?
:06:55. > :07:00.needs fresh thinking, big stuff to really kickstart the economy, the
:07:00. > :07:04.economy is asleep and needs awakening, the private sector.
:07:04. > :07:06.Infrastructure spending, it is not enough to spend �2 billion, you
:07:06. > :07:11.need tense of billions of investments all over the world.
:07:11. > :07:15.Housing, let's build a new city and town. Who is doing the building?
:07:15. > :07:18.The private sector, crucially. This has to be about bringing in private
:07:18. > :07:21.sector finance. There is a lot of money around in the world economy,
:07:21. > :07:24.sovereign wealth funds, in the Middle East and so on, this needs
:07:24. > :07:27.to be attracted. They are not spending, that was the ideal
:07:27. > :07:30.scenario for the Government. To get the private sector to do all the
:07:30. > :07:34.spending and the building, they are not? That was the theory, they have
:07:34. > :07:37.done nothing about t they have not changed the regulation or red tape.
:07:37. > :07:41.They have not created schemes to attract global Government. The huge
:07:41. > :07:44.pension funds have hundreds of billions to invest, they need to be
:07:44. > :07:49.brought in. You say you change red tape and suddenly everyone starts
:07:49. > :07:55.investing in building? I say yes, you do that and incentivise them to
:07:55. > :07:58.come, they will come, build and create jobs. I have to disagree
:07:58. > :08:02.pretty much entirely t hopelessly mischaracterises the type of
:08:02. > :08:05.recession we are in, that is a recession of demand. A collapsing
:08:05. > :08:09.demand from consumers and households, and particularly from
:08:09. > :08:12.private investment, which has shrunk by �40 billion or more since
:08:12. > :08:15.the recession started. It is now added to by the attempt by
:08:15. > :08:19.Government to shrink its own spending in the economy. You need
:08:19. > :08:23.to do the reverse. The alternative would be to simply reverse thaefrg
:08:23. > :08:29.this coalition Government is now doing, when -- everything that this
:08:29. > :08:32.coalition Government is now doing. In a recession, you don't decrease
:08:32. > :08:35.but increase Government spending, you get out there and lead
:08:35. > :08:40.businesses by the road and you get out there and create the economy
:08:40. > :08:44.you want to live in. You end up like a south European
:08:44. > :08:47.basket case? No you don't, you have to target the spending you want.
:08:47. > :08:50.You think about the kind of economy you want to create, you want green
:08:50. > :08:53.jobs and sustainable employment, you go out and make those things
:08:53. > :08:57.happening. That is all done by Government debt, by borrowing more?
:08:57. > :09:01.It can be done by borrowing, mobilising the resources of the
:09:01. > :09:05.nationalised banks we do have, the Royal Bank of Scotland could be
:09:05. > :09:09.used, it is on a fairly sound capital basis, it could be used.
:09:09. > :09:13.You could turn the Green Investment Bank into something that can be
:09:13. > :09:17.used. And the bond markets going through the roof that is not a
:09:17. > :09:21.worry? The signal from the market is there is chaos and bedlem
:09:21. > :09:25.everywhere else, and Britain looks like a safe haven. In comparison to
:09:25. > :09:28.those on the verge of bankruptcy, or bankrupt? Perhaps if you are in
:09:29. > :09:33.southern Europe, but Britain is a big, stable economy. It has a
:09:33. > :09:35.significant public debt at the moment, it is not historically
:09:35. > :09:40.especially significant, or internationally especially
:09:40. > :09:44.significant. The problem son the growth side, not on the debt side.
:09:44. > :09:49.You are trying to practically create a business on this economy
:09:49. > :09:52.we are on, where there is virtually no growth? We support another 20 or
:09:52. > :09:55.so businesses. I believe that society needs to be organised
:09:55. > :10:01.around the entrepeneur, there is not one type of business, you have
:10:01. > :10:05.established businesses, mature, then young, fast-growing SMEs, the
:10:05. > :10:10.innovation agency has proven repeatedly 6% of all UK businesses
:10:10. > :10:14.create 54% of all the new jobs. 6% are considered high-growth. Small
:10:14. > :10:17.business, fast-growing business, is not a niche activity, it is
:10:17. > :10:24.economic policy. We should give a hole bay on PAYE, national
:10:24. > :10:27.insurance, to those SMEs and watch them take off. International
:10:27. > :10:34.multinationals, Google, should pay more tax, they make an enormous
:10:34. > :10:38.amount of money in this country and don't contribute to tax. That
:10:38. > :10:45.sounds rational an enormous company like Google to pay more tax?
:10:45. > :10:49.way is to get people to come to the UK, and make it a centre of
:10:49. > :10:52.investment. We need to incentivise comes to come here. I don't agree f
:10:52. > :10:56.we did your policies there would be an immediate debt crisis with huge
:10:56. > :11:01.problems for the UK economy. We need to cut back on public spending,
:11:01. > :11:06.reduce the side of the state, and unleash the private sector. Look at
:11:06. > :11:10.southern Europe, you attack public spending and make the debt crisis
:11:10. > :11:15.worse, that mechanism is kicking in this country. The only difference
:11:15. > :11:20.in this country we have sterling and a lot of QE going on, that is
:11:20. > :11:23.why the debt markets are OK. There is no difference? We have our own
:11:23. > :11:27.currency, otherwise our own debt position is very bad, including
:11:27. > :11:30.private sector debt, way too high. One way to cut public services is
:11:30. > :11:34.to create a radically transparent public services in Government.
:11:34. > :11:38.Every expense, every salary that the Government or any public
:11:38. > :11:42.service that was put on-line, and shining a spotlight on things like
:11:42. > :11:45.that would create a natural shrinkage. Whenever you put
:11:45. > :11:51.scrutiny on something, nobody spends. You are not going to save
:11:51. > :11:54.that much money by putting stuff on-line? People do not spend other
:11:54. > :11:58.people's money. Private sector pay at the moment,
:11:58. > :12:02.the figures out from ONS this week, this is tax money we are missing
:12:02. > :12:05.out on by not chasing up in the private sector pay. You saw the
:12:06. > :12:10.report there, do you think Labour is being radical enough?
:12:10. > :12:13.remotely. The difference between the two parties, as the report said,
:12:13. > :12:16.is essentially wafer thin at this point in time. It would be better
:12:16. > :12:20.to have a Labour Government or a Labour Party that came out with the
:12:20. > :12:24.kind of stuff that Ed Balls is at least hinting at last year, saying
:12:24. > :12:28.we need to be radical about this, understand the macro-economics of
:12:28. > :12:32.the situation, rather than flapping about chasing after international
:12:32. > :12:35.corporations and trying to tweak tax regimes here and there. I say
:12:35. > :12:39.the same for the current coalition and the opposition, they are not
:12:39. > :12:43.doing enough, they need to be more radical. You want more green things,
:12:43. > :12:47.I want fewer green laws. It has gone too far, all this carbon
:12:47. > :12:50.reduction stuff has gone too far, this is a boom time policy when we
:12:50. > :12:54.were rich and thought better things were to come. We are still rich.
:12:54. > :12:59.Some people in this country are very definitely getting richer.
:12:59. > :13:02.What would you do with taxes, what would you do there? Abolish the 50p
:13:02. > :13:07.tax rate, that won't bring in any money. I would do exactly what
:13:07. > :13:10.Julie was saying, I would do national insurance holiday for
:13:10. > :13:15.smaller firms, cut national insurance contributions,
:13:15. > :13:18.incentivise them to hire. What about minimum wage? I would
:13:19. > :13:22.regionalise it, make it different in different regions so supply and
:13:22. > :13:26.demand could be balanced out. People are frozen out of the Labour
:13:26. > :13:31.market because companies are worried to hire. Absolutely, I
:13:31. > :13:35.think let's get a lot of tax from the very wealthy, you don't do that
:13:35. > :13:41.by increasing the percentage, you drop it and get the absolute amount
:13:41. > :13:44.of tax revenue high. Most people realise if you drop the 50p to 40p,
:13:44. > :13:51.the overall tax revenue would go up. These people should pay. There is
:13:51. > :13:53.no reason why they shouldn't. It is a symbolic gesture. It may be
:13:53. > :13:57.against every philosophical bone in your body, practically it could be
:13:58. > :14:03.the right way to do it? Global the evidence is there to sustain the
:14:03. > :14:09.idea T has been discredited since the 1980. There are dozens of
:14:09. > :14:12.surveys. The marginal cuts we were talking about, that this will
:14:12. > :14:16.release entrepeneurship and people will come running back. You can
:14:16. > :14:20.change your country and nationality, if you don't believe that people
:14:20. > :14:24.who create wealth can change our citizenship n two weeks, with the
:14:24. > :14:29.good law, you are not living in the same world as I. There was a survey
:14:29. > :14:32.out this morning saying the tax rate has made no difference to the
:14:32. > :14:35.highend manager. The constraints the Government works in, none of
:14:35. > :14:38.these ideas are something you could take to the electorate? A lot of
:14:38. > :14:42.ideas can be taken to the electorate. We need more airports
:14:42. > :14:46.in this country, we need to build them quickly. What about your ideas
:14:46. > :14:50.for employee rights? I think the Government is doing some of the
:14:50. > :14:53.right things there. I'm more concerned about the unemployed
:14:53. > :14:58.getting opportunities and getting back into the work force, that is
:14:58. > :15:05.where we need to change things. Last word, I think if we start
:15:05. > :15:07.chasing after supply side solutions we are chasing entirely the wrong
:15:07. > :15:11.direction, this is increasing spending, and doing tin tell gently
:15:11. > :15:15.to build the kind of economy you want, a green, sustainable economy
:15:15. > :15:19.for the future. Tens of thousands of protestors
:15:19. > :15:22.have packed into central Cairo's Tahrir Square to demand Egypt's
:15:22. > :15:27.military rulers step aside. They want the postponement of elections
:15:27. > :15:30.due to start on Monday. Divisions are starting to open up between the
:15:30. > :15:34.opposition groups. While some protestors want military rule to
:15:35. > :15:37.end before parliamentary elections are held. Others, including the
:15:37. > :15:47.influential Muslim Brotherhood, want the polls to go ahead as
:15:47. > :15:49.
:15:49. > :15:52.planned. Days start bleery on Tahrir Square,
:15:53. > :15:59.a springboard for revolution. For some it has also become a kind of
:15:59. > :16:02.home. They camped out for three weeks until President Mubarak fell
:16:02. > :16:06.in February, now they say they are camping out again until the
:16:07. > :16:10.country's new military leaders follow him into retirement. The
:16:10. > :16:13.generals who rule Egypt have made a substantial concession to the
:16:13. > :16:18.people here on the square. They have said that they will be out of
:16:18. > :16:25.power, completely, by the middle of next year. The trouble is, no-one
:16:25. > :16:29.here believes the generals any more. In this shelter there is a cross
:16:30. > :16:37.section of Egypt. Appropriately, this man, a hotel manager, is
:16:37. > :16:44.trying to make things kosy. Then there is Doha, the flower seller,
:16:44. > :16:49.the political analyst, and Mohammed, a leather tanner, Ahmed the waiter,
:16:49. > :16:56.and Ashraf the international lawyer. What haven't you got? We haven't
:16:56. > :17:01.got to change the system. It is the same system committing more crimes
:17:01. > :17:07.than Mubarak. We have prisoners in front of a military court. Mubarak
:17:07. > :17:13.didn't have all those prisoners, all through the 30 years.
:17:13. > :17:17.The main slogan now, "the people demand the fall of the marshall",
:17:17. > :17:23.Field Marshal Tantawi, who finally announced this week that
:17:23. > :17:29.presidential elections will be held by next June. It was previously
:17:29. > :17:31.implied it might take until April 2013. This retired general says the
:17:31. > :17:36.Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, never intended to hang on to power,
:17:36. > :17:40.it is just bad at communication. 1th of July, for sure, I can assure
:17:40. > :17:43.you, under any circumstance you won't see them any more. How bad
:17:43. > :17:48.has the last week been for the army's reputation? Very bad. First
:17:48. > :17:58.of all they were taking positions a bit late than the right time to do
:17:58. > :17:59.
:17:59. > :18:03.it. Not pensioning the road map, which I think is really a corner
:18:03. > :18:07.stone, people were waiting for that and they didn't mention it, where
:18:07. > :18:12.and how, they didn't mention. People were waiting it for a long
:18:12. > :18:15.time. These people blame the army, not just for setting out a
:18:15. > :18:20.timetable for democracy, but also the shooting of 30 protestors this
:18:20. > :18:23.week and the beating and teargassing of many more.
:18:24. > :18:27.TRANSLATION: We want a national salvation Government with wide
:18:27. > :18:32.powers. We want the release of prisoners and swift trials of those
:18:32. > :18:35.responsible for the violence, from the lowest to the highest official
:18:35. > :18:45.involved. We want an independent fact-finding committee to
:18:45. > :18:45.
:18:45. > :18:52.investigate what happened. He's from a fundamental Salafi party.
:18:52. > :18:57.It wants strict implementation of Sharia Law. But those from the
:18:57. > :19:01.Muslim Brotherhood aren't here en mass. Their leaders have accepted
:19:01. > :19:04.the army's timetable, in what many here see as a betrayal.
:19:05. > :19:08.brotherhood are going to lose substantial numbers of seats in
:19:08. > :19:14.parliament. People who were expecting to vote for them, are not
:19:14. > :19:17.going to vote any more. Because they got betrayed at Tahrir Square.
:19:17. > :19:21.They didn't support them, so they won't support them at the
:19:21. > :19:24.parliament. Tonight I found one Brotherhood candidate, out
:19:24. > :19:29.campaigning for parliamentary elections due to start on Monday.
:19:29. > :19:32.Why wasn't he on the square today? We had a very good signs and
:19:32. > :19:37.information that some of the powers and forces that are against the
:19:37. > :19:43.revolution are trying to cause some sort of chaos in the square, making
:19:43. > :19:48.use of current events, in order to post fon pon the elections.
:19:48. > :19:53.postpone the elections. That is why as the freedom and justice party we
:19:53. > :19:58.decided not to join in big masses. Hasn't the army succeeded in
:19:58. > :20:04.dividing the opposition? I don't think they did, we believe it is a
:20:04. > :20:08.short-term misunderstanding. We are willing to take this on our
:20:08. > :20:14.shoulders, because we care more about the overall interests of the
:20:14. > :20:18.country. The main thing is to have the elections going on. To have the
:20:18. > :20:21.process completed, then we can move safely and peacefully into
:20:21. > :20:26.democracy. Here, away from the square, there is still anger at the
:20:26. > :20:31.military, but many now want to move on. It is the long-term social and
:20:31. > :20:34.economic future of Egypt that worries them most.
:20:34. > :20:39.What future will they choose? We will begin to discover next week,
:20:39. > :20:43.when they hope they will be able to battle at the ballot box, not just
:20:43. > :20:47.on Tahrir Square. Joining me now, the prominent
:20:47. > :20:53.Egyptian journalist, who was assaulted by police, after she was
:20:53. > :20:58.arrested on Wednesday. Thank you for joining us. I can see your arms
:20:58. > :21:03.are pretty heavily bandaged there. Talk us through what happened?
:21:03. > :21:08.Wednesday night I went out on to the frontline, between protestors
:21:08. > :21:13.and the security forces on Mohamed Mahmoud Street. Riot police came
:21:13. > :21:17.over on to our side of the barrier. The people around me managed to get
:21:17. > :21:23.away. The riot police cornered me and beat me viciously with their
:21:23. > :21:27.sticks, my arm and hand was broken. They sexually assaulted me as they
:21:27. > :21:31.took me to the Interior Ministry, I had hands all over my body it was
:21:31. > :21:35.awful. I was detained by the Ministry of Interior for five hours,
:21:35. > :21:39.then military intelligence for another five to six hours. And
:21:39. > :21:45.finally released with my hand, I said get me a doctor because I'm
:21:45. > :21:48.really suffering. No medical aid, I was released after 10-12 hours.
:21:48. > :21:53.Your's wasn't a specific case, how widespread do you think this was?
:21:53. > :21:57.My case is by no means unique. A spokesperson from the Ministry of
:21:57. > :22:02.Interior today tried to suggest this was an isolated incident. By
:22:02. > :22:06.no means. What happened to me is just the tip of the iceberg of
:22:06. > :22:10.police brutality in this country. The reason we started the
:22:10. > :22:14.revolution on police day was to protest police brutally, nine
:22:14. > :22:19.months later it continues. As you heard in the news report, almost 40
:22:19. > :22:24.people were killed in the past week. Hundreds, thousands have been
:22:24. > :22:27.injured. Police brutality continues, and now accompanying it is army
:22:27. > :22:31.brutality. When this Egyptian general admitted that virginity
:22:31. > :22:38.checks are being carried out on women. What was the justification
:22:38. > :22:42.for that? The sexual violence, the sexual violence I encountered is
:22:42. > :22:47.not unique to the security forces, eventhough the army who had me for
:22:47. > :22:51.five hours apologised for what happened with the police. The army
:22:51. > :22:55.staff sexually assaulted women when they had activists in custody, and
:22:55. > :22:59.subjected them to these horrendous sexual assaults. At first they
:22:59. > :23:02.denied at the happened and called the women liars. Finally when they
:23:02. > :23:06.conceded they subjected them to the awful assaults, they said these
:23:06. > :23:12.were not girls like your daughters and mine, these were bad girls who
:23:12. > :23:17.spent the night in Tahrir Square. It is a horrendous example of
:23:17. > :23:20.patriarchy, that permeates all levels in Egypt, it is that which
:23:20. > :23:25.we launched our revolution against, it continues through Egypt. Instead
:23:25. > :23:30.of being symbolised by Mubarak, who we got rid of, it is symbolised by
:23:30. > :23:34.Tantawi and the generals. We replaced one Mubarak with 18 mubs,
:23:34. > :23:40.we must be free of military rule, that is why we came to the square
:23:40. > :23:48.today. You describe a proper breakdown between the relationships
:23:48. > :23:52.between people and the army. Is that repairable now? No, I believe
:23:52. > :23:57.it is beyond repair. It is nine months, and most of the
:23:57. > :24:00.revolution's demands have not been kept. People are continuously
:24:00. > :24:03.losing trust in the supreme Military Council. The supreme
:24:03. > :24:07.Military Council made a whole bunch of promises they haven't kept. We
:24:07. > :24:10.recognise that it is not the army and the people that are one hand.
:24:10. > :24:13.They broke my hand. It is the people and the people on the one
:24:13. > :24:17.hand and the police and military together against the people. When I
:24:17. > :24:20.was in custody, I asked one of the military men, why are you at war
:24:20. > :24:24.with the Egyptian people. This is how we feel in Egypt they are at
:24:24. > :24:28.war with us. We will not let them hijack our revolution. For many
:24:28. > :24:31.people watching it, it is almost incomprehensible, that something
:24:31. > :24:35.they thought had the start of a really positive new beginning, with
:24:35. > :24:40.the end of Mubarak's rule and all the rest of it. What really went
:24:40. > :24:44.wrong with that first stage of the revolution, do you think? I believe
:24:44. > :24:48.what went wrong is the military took over. Egypt should never have
:24:48. > :24:52.been under military rule. One of the main demands of the revolution
:24:52. > :24:55.is Egypt falls under civilian rule. The military portrayed itself as
:24:55. > :25:00.the guardians of the revolution, some people wanted to believe that
:25:00. > :25:03.was the case. But from the very beginning, these virginity tests
:25:03. > :25:07.you mentioned, they happened in March. A little over a month after
:25:07. > :25:10.Mubarak was forced to step down. So many of us from the very beginning
:25:10. > :25:18.had very little trust in the military. Some Egyptians wanted to
:25:18. > :25:23.trust them, but that trust has definitely been whittled away at.
:25:23. > :25:28.Thank God so many people came to the square they see the military
:25:28. > :25:31.needs to step aside. 1234 Here is a little tale of
:25:31. > :25:34.frustration from "middle England". Vandals armed with explosives have
:25:34. > :25:40.embarked upon a dangerous campaign of blowing up parking metres in
:25:40. > :25:45.Lewes on the Sotuh Downs. It is the second time the wave of metre-rage
:25:45. > :25:50.has hit the historic market town. Officials are offering a reward of
:25:50. > :26:00.�250 to anyone who can help stop the pavement anarchy. They have
:26:00. > :26:09.
:26:09. > :26:16.been down to East Sussex to work You know what they say, it is
:26:17. > :26:20.always the quiet ones. Lewes is a charming little town, but also
:26:20. > :26:23.distinctly characterful, as the estate agents put it. Someone has
:26:23. > :26:28.been going around blowing up the pay-and-display machines, 14 of
:26:28. > :26:35.them in the past few weeks alone. And the cops, not to put a fine a
:26:35. > :26:38.point on it, are baffled. Have you been able to build up a
:26:38. > :26:42.psychological profile of this individual or group? We haven't
:26:42. > :26:46.gone that far, I would suggest they don't like the parking system.
:26:46. > :26:50.could be a sign. Have you even come up with a nickname for this person
:26:50. > :26:54.yet? We haven't gone to that much trouble yet, I'm afraid, I don't
:26:54. > :26:58.think we are likely to. If our viewers think of one, you are not
:26:58. > :27:03.interested? By all means if they want to think of one, I'm sure they
:27:03. > :27:08.can think of a few. Something about this case got the
:27:08. > :27:13.old juices going. We spent the afternoon gum-shoeing
:27:13. > :27:18.around Lewes, and searching for clues. Did someone want to stop us
:27:18. > :27:22.finding out the truth? Impossible to tell.
:27:22. > :27:27.All I know is someone has been blowing up these babies with
:27:27. > :27:31.fireworks. They call them rook- scarers down here. The damage has
:27:31. > :27:36.cost �30,000 and counting. And no- one has seen a thing, not even the
:27:36. > :27:40.CCTV. So many machines have been tampered
:27:40. > :27:45.with, there were fears of a shortage of metres. Maybe of panic
:27:45. > :27:50.parking, people queuing up and rationing introduced. So far it
:27:50. > :27:55.hasn't come to that. In fact, some say the attack on the parking
:27:55. > :28:00.machines doesn't come as a surprise to them. Lewes is maybe a
:28:00. > :28:03.particular place people may be rebelling against such things.
:28:03. > :28:07.haven't necessary got sympathy women this, no-one thinks this is
:28:07. > :28:13.right. But I can understand why a lot of people, and there is a lot
:28:13. > :28:16.of people in Lewes, if you were to introview them, that are very
:28:16. > :28:20.against -- introduce them, that are very against the parking
:28:20. > :28:25.restrictions we have here. They make a big deal out of
:28:25. > :28:30.fireworks night in Lewes, with extraordinary, some say macarbre
:28:30. > :28:35.effigies. The place even produced the crazy world of Arthur Brown,
:28:35. > :28:41.who had a hit with a song. This is a town with gun powder in its blood.
:28:41. > :28:45.Lewes and fireworks go together, and have done, for many years. In
:28:45. > :28:49.this town it could be anybody in possession of fireworks. What has
:28:49. > :28:52.happened in Lewes is something nobody can condone. It is a
:28:52. > :28:57.combination of the skill and the will to do something, to destroy
:28:57. > :29:01.parking metres in the way they have been. We have a very, very strong
:29:01. > :29:06.bonfire tradition, there are a unusually high number of people in
:29:06. > :29:11.our town who have a lot of skills with blowing things up. It is a
:29:11. > :29:21.town full of pyromaniacs, is that what you are telling me? It is not,
:29:21. > :29:22.
:29:22. > :29:28.it is far more complicated than that.
:29:28. > :29:33.Tonight the police remain on the trail of the firework enthusiast
:29:33. > :29:43.putting the pay into pay-and- display.
:29:43. > :30:09.
:30:09. > :30:13.Now the front pages of tomorrow's That's all tonight. In a moment the
:30:14. > :30:18.review show will look at a new film about Marilyn Monroe, and a long
:30:18. > :30:24.lost novel by Jack Kerouac. Before we go, George Michael has had to
:30:24. > :30:29.postpone the rest of his concert tour after catching severe
:30:29. > :30:33.pneumonia, here is something to cheer up many fans.
:30:33. > :30:37.# Well work ain't your back # When you let them know
:30:37. > :30:40.# You are more dead than alive # A 9-5
:30:40. > :30:45.# Get yourself # Get out of this house
:30:45. > :30:49.# Are you a man or a mouse # You pretend not to hear
:30:49. > :30:51.# Get some space # Get out of this place
:30:51. > :30:56.# Wham balm # I am the man