:00:07. > :00:12.Good evening, David Cameron is willing to derail plans to save the
:00:12. > :00:16.euro, if the deal doesn't safeguard Britain's interests. It sounds
:00:16. > :00:21.tough, but is it anything more than empty words. If the currency can't
:00:21. > :00:27.be saved convincingly, the whole world will feel the consequences.
:00:27. > :00:31.What would those consequences be? We have two leading economists, and
:00:31. > :00:35.a senior parliamentarian from Angela Merkel's party. An official
:00:35. > :00:41.inquiry concludes the court case, derailed by an undercover policeman,
:00:41. > :00:44.was all the fault of one lawyer. Is that credible, the Director of
:00:44. > :00:47.Public Prosecution himself is here. The police in Moscow cart off
:00:47. > :00:53.protestors unhappy with the elections at the weekend. We talk
:00:53. > :00:57.to the man who was Vladimir Putin's Prime Minister.
:00:57. > :01:03.I would say it is the beginning of the end of the regime. As Americans
:01:03. > :01:12.Republicans consider who should run against Obama, we hear from the
:01:12. > :01:16.conservative Midwest, about what they want from their candidate.
:01:16. > :01:25.The secretary of the US Treasury was in Germany today, it wasn't a
:01:25. > :01:31.social visit. It is testament to the way in which the will they
:01:31. > :01:39.won't they spectacle leaves them as reluctant participants. It is said
:01:39. > :01:43.to be four days left for the rescue deal to be achieved. The Germans
:01:43. > :01:47.and French believe a rescue package more or less in place. The British
:01:47. > :01:51.Prime Minister tried to send a message that he wouldn't go through
:01:52. > :01:59.with it if it wasn't in British interests. Let's deal with what
:01:59. > :02:04.David Cameron had to say first? He has some idea of what the proposal
:02:04. > :02:08.will be? Around the proposal of stricter proposals on countries
:02:08. > :02:14.that have the euro, we have a hint of the mechanism on what it will be
:02:14. > :02:17.to have it agreed. What it will be, we are told from EU sources, is a
:02:17. > :02:23.treaty amendment agreed by 27 countries, not just the 17
:02:23. > :02:27.countries that use the euro. That brings into play, of course, the
:02:27. > :02:31.British veto, then we see British Conservative euro-sceptics thinking
:02:31. > :02:34.this is the opportunity to get what they want in terms of repatriation
:02:34. > :02:38.of powers from Europe. The Prime Minister has to sound tough in
:02:38. > :02:44.order to satisfy them, but not so tough as he upsets the European
:02:44. > :02:47.leaders. This is what he had to say today. What I'm saying is if, and
:02:47. > :02:51.eurozone countries do need to come together, do need to do more things
:02:51. > :02:55.together, if they choose to use the European treaty to do that, Britain
:02:55. > :03:00.will be insisting on some safeguards too. As long as we get
:03:00. > :03:04.those, that treaty can go ahead, if we can't get those, it won't.
:03:04. > :03:09.think on these occasions, an instructive game is to say what he
:03:09. > :03:12.said in reverse, say the negative of what he said, and work without
:03:12. > :03:16.whether actually's saying. If the negative doesn't mean anything,
:03:16. > :03:19.neither does the positive. In which case, does it mean anything to say,
:03:19. > :03:24.can you imagine a British Prime Minister not saying something like
:03:24. > :03:29."I'm prepared to agree to a treaty that is not in Britain's national
:03:29. > :03:33.interest", the question, is, what is Britain national interest, and
:03:33. > :03:37.what is that, we get a clue in the Times tomorrow. He says the biggest
:03:37. > :03:41.national interest is the euro sorts out its problems. He goes on to
:03:41. > :03:47.make sure that the City of London is defended in terms of the tran
:03:47. > :03:51.action tax. Making sure the euro survives. That is not how his
:03:51. > :03:56.backbenchers see our national interest. The threat of a veto is
:03:56. > :04:00.guff? The threat of a veto, if the financial transaction tax was on
:04:00. > :04:04.the agenda, and EU sources say it is not on the agenda for Friday,
:04:04. > :04:09.then perhaps it would be a full threat. In terms of making sure the
:04:09. > :04:13.euro survives and sorts its problems out, he's very unlikely to
:04:13. > :04:18.veto something along those lines. Three people who might have some
:04:18. > :04:23.idea which way is up are an economist and adviser to the UN
:04:23. > :04:26.Secretary-General, Ban Ki-Moon, author of the Price of Civilisation,
:04:26. > :04:32.his latest book, he has been clearing up sovereign debt crisis
:04:32. > :04:36.from around the world for 20 years. And our guest who specialises in
:04:36. > :04:40.emerging economies is here, and Angela Merkel's Chief Whip in the
:04:41. > :04:43.German parliament joins us from there. Are you worried about the
:04:43. > :04:52.prospect of David Cameron exercising some sort of British
:04:52. > :04:57.veto? No, I'm not worried at all. My impression is we have a very,
:04:57. > :05:01.very large common interest this time, this is to preserve
:05:01. > :05:06.sustainability of the eurozone and to prevent international, global
:05:06. > :05:11.recession. This interest is shared by the UK, by Germany, and all
:05:11. > :05:17.other countries in the European Union. Next Thursday and Friday is
:05:17. > :05:23.crucial in the rescue operation for the euro. We have to give a strong
:05:23. > :05:27.signal of determination of stability and of reform. Therefore
:05:27. > :05:31.we need and want to get the support of our British friends. OK, so this
:05:31. > :05:35.is really a comment made for domestic consumption. I would like
:05:35. > :05:39.to broaden this out beyond Britain, beyond indeed Europe, to some of
:05:39. > :05:44.the aspects for this for the rest of the world. How big a deal, will
:05:44. > :05:50.it be, if the euro were to fail, how beige deal for the rest of the
:05:50. > :05:55.world? -- big a deal for the rest of the world? Very big, potentially
:05:55. > :05:59.disastrous. When Lehman brothers went down in 2008, we know the
:05:59. > :06:02.crisis, panic and fear spread through the entire financial system.
:06:02. > :06:08.If Europe some how failed to come together to protect the eurozone,
:06:08. > :06:14.and it ended up in a chaotic disintegration, the chaos would
:06:14. > :06:17.also lead to a contagion of fear that could disrupt international
:06:17. > :06:21.financial markets around the world. It must not happen. It doesn't have
:06:21. > :06:25.to happen, it should not happen. This problem should be solvable,
:06:25. > :06:31.and it should be solved. It could have been solved, you might argue?
:06:31. > :06:35.It should have been solved much earlier. I also feel that the
:06:35. > :06:40.diagnosis hasn't been exactly on point up until now. We will come to
:06:40. > :06:45.that in a second or two. Linda, the Europeans were trotting off to
:06:45. > :06:48.Beijing two or three weeks ago, hoping the Chinese would suddenly
:06:48. > :06:54.cast charitable glances at Europe, they aparently were less than
:06:54. > :06:57.enthusiastic about it, what are the consequences for China, the real
:06:58. > :07:01.powerhouse of the world economy at present? Potentially quite
:07:01. > :07:05.significant. Not so much because of financial contagion, what Jeffrey
:07:05. > :07:08.was talking about, because their financial system isn't particularly
:07:08. > :07:11.exposed to European sovereign debt, but, of course, what the Chinese
:07:11. > :07:15.have always worried about, if you have a huge disruption in the
:07:15. > :07:18.global economy, a collapse in global trade, their economy still
:07:18. > :07:22.is predominantly relying on trade as a driver. That could cause a
:07:22. > :07:25.downturn in their economy, three years ago, 20 million people lost
:07:25. > :07:29.their jobs, that is a third of the British population, they are
:07:29. > :07:33.worried about that kind of upheaval. They are trying to monitor what is
:07:33. > :07:36.going on in Europe, they want it to be stable, they are really worried
:07:36. > :07:41.about dislocation in their own economy. One is bound to ask, why
:07:41. > :07:45.they were so unwilling to bail out the Europeans? Maybe it is because
:07:45. > :07:52.average Chinese incomes are one tenth of that in western Europe, so
:07:52. > :07:57.I think they do have...That Is a fair cop! They still obviously,
:07:57. > :08:02.they do have, I think, an increasing role to play as the
:08:02. > :08:07.world's second-biggest economy. If there was a multilateral effort,
:08:07. > :08:11.via the IMF, to supply more credit lines, or what have you, I suspect
:08:11. > :08:16.the Chinese would go in, if it was truly multilateral, and it wasn't
:08:16. > :08:19.seen as the Chinese rescuing. do we still find ourselves in this
:08:19. > :08:25.position, a long time after you seem to suggest we might have got
:08:25. > :08:29.out of it? There has been too much improve adviceation, and not enough
:08:29. > :08:33.getting to -- improvisation and not enough getting to the matter. I'm
:08:33. > :08:38.not against what they are doing this week, but this focus only on
:08:38. > :08:46.the fiscal situation, really is a bit misdepieded, this crisis had
:08:46. > :08:50.its or -- misguided. This crisis had its origins in massive lending
:08:50. > :08:54.in property booms, only in Greece was the fiscal problem the core of
:08:54. > :08:58.the problem, not in Italy, not in Ireland, not in Portugal. It is the
:08:58. > :09:03.banking crisis not addressed right now, and together with that it is
:09:03. > :09:05.the role of the European Central Bank, vis a vis the banks, and
:09:06. > :09:12.European liquidity, which is not being handled. What is interesting
:09:12. > :09:16.now, some glimmer of progress, with the new head of the ECB, Mario
:09:16. > :09:21.Draghi is saying, get something on the budget, and then I will come in
:09:21. > :09:26.and be a proper Central Bank. That is long overdue.
:09:26. > :09:30.He's far too polite to say so, but he as suggesting that German policy
:09:31. > :09:34.has been at fault in all of this, aren't you? The focus that
:09:34. > :09:39.everything is wrong being profligate abroad has overdone it,
:09:39. > :09:45.a lot of German banks were also extravagant in their loans, maybe
:09:45. > :09:50.we ought to look at the banking sector? This is an unprecedented
:09:50. > :09:55.crisis, and there was no pattern for resolving it so far. What we
:09:56. > :09:59.have to do was to bring together a number of actors, not just the ECB,
:09:59. > :10:05.but 27 member states of the European Union. The European
:10:05. > :10:10.Parliament and the Commission. All of them had to find agreement. It
:10:10. > :10:14.is all about confidence. There was a lack of confidence that Europeans
:10:14. > :10:20.would be prepared to rescue their own currency, and therefore, this
:10:20. > :10:24.meeting on Friday, is so incredibly important, probably the most
:10:24. > :10:31.important meeting of the European Summit over the last 20 years.
:10:31. > :10:36.far as China is concerned, India and other countries in that region,
:10:36. > :10:40.I'm quite confident that all these countries will come in as soon as
:10:40. > :10:43.they realise there is a political will, there is a political
:10:43. > :10:46.commitment amongst the member- states of the European Union.
:10:46. > :10:50.Isn't the lack of urgency staggering. Here we are talking
:10:50. > :10:53.about a treaty that might take effect in March, two years after
:10:54. > :10:57.this crisis began. How does it strike you? I think there is a
:10:57. > :11:01.sense that it has taken quite a long time to probably realise a
:11:01. > :11:05.solution that could have been had, when Greece needed to bail out in
:11:05. > :11:09.May last year. I think probably there needs to be a political will,
:11:09. > :11:14.but there needs to be at least two parties to this solution. One is
:11:14. > :11:18.this fiscal union, probably some time of road map that they want to
:11:18. > :11:22.adapt. That is a political decision. In the near term, the real urgency
:11:22. > :11:25.you are speaking about is about supporting the banks. If there is
:11:25. > :11:29.disruption, the eurozone doesn't have a Central Bank, that can
:11:29. > :11:33.really step in. That is a real problem. It is not clear at all
:11:33. > :11:38.that there is anything that the eurozone leaders can do about that
:11:38. > :11:43.point right now, but Jeffrey may well be right. Perhaps Thursday,
:11:43. > :11:47.Mario Draghi could step in. Let's see what he thinks? I do think we
:11:47. > :11:54.need that opening for the European Central Bank to play a role of a
:11:54. > :11:59.Central Bank for the first time. Because, really, I like very much
:11:59. > :12:03.what was being said, that everybody has to get together to save the
:12:03. > :12:07.euro. But that hasn't been what has been said up until now. What has
:12:07. > :12:11.been said up until now is leave the ECB on the sideline, they shouldn't
:12:11. > :12:15.play a role. Many politicians around Europe, including in Germany
:12:15. > :12:19.have said, well, the Greeks, let them go, there hasn't been that
:12:19. > :12:23.commitment that we're seeing this week. I like it. Because the
:12:23. > :12:27.eurozone needs saving. But we went through a long process where this
:12:28. > :12:32.hasn't been the clear message. One of the things is that Europe
:12:32. > :12:36.disarmed itself, it took its own Central Bank out of the battle up
:12:36. > :12:40.until now. Maybe the Central Bank is going to come back, the European
:12:40. > :12:45.Central Bank is going to come back into the battle. This would really
:12:45. > :12:51.calm a lot of nerves. Because what the rest of the world is seeing is
:12:51. > :12:57.a Central Bank that seems to be allowing I will liquidity and panic
:12:57. > :13:01.to seize -- ill liquidity and panic to seize markets, which is shocking
:13:01. > :13:06.without that defence. Do you think Germany has demonstrated sufficient
:13:06. > :13:12.capacity to lead in this? It is no the first instance a question of
:13:12. > :13:16.leadership, it is a question of acting and coming together, we
:13:16. > :13:20.shouldn't forget over the last one- and-a-half years, we have provided
:13:20. > :13:26.billions of euros in order to guarantee the sovereign debt of
:13:26. > :13:32.countries like Greece, Ireland and Portugal. We have established the
:13:32. > :13:39.European financial support facility, and the ECB has played a role, an
:13:39. > :13:43.active role, over the last couple of months. We made it clear we are
:13:43. > :13:48.prepared to respect the independence of the ECB. Mr Sachs
:13:48. > :13:51.is right in saying there has been some contradicting debates in
:13:51. > :13:55.Germany and other countries, whether Greece should stay within
:13:55. > :13:59.the eurozone, whether we should preserve the eurozone. Angela
:14:00. > :14:05.Merkel has made it clear, very, very clear, undoubtedly clear, that
:14:05. > :14:11.we want to preserve the eurozone with all 17 member-states, and we
:14:11. > :14:21.are prepared to take the appropriate steps to do it. And the
:14:21. > :14:24.European Central Bank? The European Central Bank is independent
:14:24. > :14:28.according to the model of the German banks. What would have
:14:28. > :14:34.difficulties to imagine would be the role of the ECB as the lender
:14:34. > :14:41.of last resort. This is an anglo- American model, that is not a
:14:41. > :14:44.common model in Europe. But below, below this solution, there is range
:14:44. > :14:51.of possiblities, in all these possiblities they have to be
:14:51. > :14:53.considered by Mr Draghi, by his board, and probably executed. --
:14:53. > :14:59.properly executed. You were rolling your eyes when you heard this idea
:15:00. > :15:04.of not being a lender of last resort as an anglo-American idea?
:15:04. > :15:10.think there has been a problem in the way the eurowas set up. The
:15:10. > :15:14.Central Bank was not set up as a lender of last resort. It is not an
:15:14. > :15:17.anglo-American idea per se, it is what a Central Bank does for a
:15:17. > :15:22.currency. You think this too? has to act as a lender of last
:15:22. > :15:27.resort, I liked what was said, that the eurozone needs to be preserved,
:15:27. > :15:32.this is important. It hasn't been a clear message up until now, if it
:15:32. > :15:37.can be a clear and resolute message inside Germany first, and then
:15:37. > :15:41.carried out professionally. Not just happen hazardly, but
:15:41. > :15:44.professionally, we will see the euro through professionally.
:15:45. > :15:47.Policemen taking part in illegal activities and policemen lying in
:15:47. > :15:50.court, what we have learned about the behaviour of undercover police
:15:50. > :15:52.officers has been shocking. According to an official
:15:52. > :15:55.investigation, the Crown Prosecution Service as a whole
:15:55. > :15:59.wasn't responsible. It was all the fault of a single lawyer, and the
:15:59. > :16:02.lefthand not knowing what the right was doing. Whitewash say
:16:02. > :16:07.campaigners for the people who got sent to jail as a consequence of
:16:07. > :16:16.the police operation. Before I talk to the Director of Public
:16:16. > :16:20.Prosecutions, we have this report. Mark Kennedy infiltrated climate
:16:20. > :16:27.protestors almost a decade ago, his actions continue to recognise co-
:16:27. > :16:32.chet. He played a key role in directing an action in side this
:16:32. > :16:36.school in Nottingham. Kennedy secretly recorded the meeting on an
:16:36. > :16:40.adapted kasyo catch. Later that night the police raided, arresting
:16:40. > :16:50.114 people, 26 were charged. Some were convicted of conspiracy to
:16:50. > :16:50.
:16:50. > :16:54.commit public order offences. These secret recordings would have shown
:16:54. > :16:59.there was no conspiracy, not all activists had decided to take part
:16:59. > :17:02.in the action. These tapes weren't disclosed to the defence, nor was
:17:02. > :17:08.Mark Kennedy's dual role as activist and undercover cop. A role
:17:08. > :17:13.that might have brought fears of him being an agent provokeure. It
:17:13. > :17:18.was our report on Newsnight, that forced the CPS to beef up its
:17:18. > :17:27.rather internal inquiry, after the former director of prosecutions
:17:27. > :17:31.said this on the programme said this. It is a very serious
:17:31. > :17:41.allegation, Danny is right in one respect, this is such a serious
:17:41. > :17:41.
:17:41. > :17:44.question that it calls into play Whether it should be an internal
:17:44. > :17:50.inquiry. Lord McDonald's call for an independent inquiry was heeded,
:17:50. > :17:54.the very next day the CPS announced Sir Chris mer Rose, a former Appeal
:17:54. > :17:58.Court judge would lead it. Who is to blame for failing to disclose
:17:58. > :18:02.Mark Kennedy's covert role and the secret recordings there are three
:18:02. > :18:06.candidates, the National Public Order Intelligence Unit, running
:18:07. > :18:12.him, Nottingham shiver Police, who authorised his deployment, and the
:18:12. > :18:18.CPS, handling the prosecution case. The relationship between Nottingham
:18:18. > :18:23.Police and Ian Cunningham, a senior lawyer in the CPS, Nottingham
:18:23. > :18:28.division, lies at the centre of today's report. The author, Sir
:18:28. > :18:31.Christopher Rose said if Mark Kennedy's role had been further
:18:31. > :18:38.discussed it is highly unlikely anyone would have thought it in the
:18:38. > :18:47.public interest for charges to be brought. Kennedy's role was fully
:18:47. > :18:51.discussed with CPS lawyers, it was told to Mr Rose, but the police
:18:51. > :19:01.didn't alert the CPS to the significance of the transcripts of
:19:01. > :19:06.
:19:06. > :19:16.the tapes, the Police accept some The report piles most of the blame
:19:16. > :19:19.
:19:19. > :19:24.on one senior CPS lawyer, Ian The Name Of The Rose report
:19:24. > :19:28.declares the CPS innocent on the most -- the Rose report declares
:19:28. > :19:31.the CPS innocent on the most serious charge, withholding
:19:31. > :19:37.evidence from the defence. Those on the outside playing the biggest
:19:37. > :19:41.role on bringing these matters into the public domain are unimpressed.
:19:41. > :19:48.Sir Christopher Rose was not asked to address that question, he was
:19:48. > :19:51.asked to look at one particular, serious but ring-fenced apparent
:19:52. > :19:57.failure of disclosure. There were 11 other inquiries taking place,
:19:57. > :20:01.and there is much wider issues beyond those 12 inquiries. Without
:20:01. > :20:04.a report robust, publicly accountable inquiry, a single one,
:20:04. > :20:10.none of us can have confidence with any of these reports that are
:20:10. > :20:15.coming through now. Defence solicitor, here, has revealed
:20:15. > :20:19.details of several other police officers whose role has not been
:20:19. > :20:24.properly disclosed. The latest involves hunt saboteurs from 1996,
:20:24. > :20:28.infiltrated by undercover cop Jim Sutton. This is Jim Sutton coming
:20:28. > :20:34.from the left. He approaches the policemen and the person he
:20:34. > :20:39.arrested. Interesting. Bat on raised there. Simon Taylor, one of
:20:39. > :20:42.the original activists pointed him out. He swings him out, Jim Sutton
:20:42. > :20:45.backs off. These documents show he volunteered to give evidence for
:20:45. > :20:51.the defence, they were written by none other than Keir Starmer, then
:20:51. > :20:55.a defence bars te, now the Director of Public Prosecutions. --
:20:55. > :21:00.barrister, now the Director of Public Prosecutions. They are se
:21:00. > :21:05.sitting on a huge number of irregularities in justice,
:21:05. > :21:08.irregularities of disclosure and police non-disclosure to them. It
:21:08. > :21:12.it is not the position of the CPS doing nothing, they must do
:21:12. > :21:15.something now. The CPS plans to review the
:21:15. > :21:20.disclosure between police and the lawyers, will they be forced to
:21:20. > :21:23.review cold cases. With us now is Keir Starmer, the Director of
:21:23. > :21:27.Public Prosecutions. There has been an investigation into one case, a
:21:27. > :21:33.fall guy has been found, are you absolutely certain that there are
:21:33. > :21:38.no other cases in which people have been convicted on the basis of the
:21:38. > :21:43.evidence of undisclosed undercover police officers? Can I be clearer
:21:43. > :21:48.about what the Rose Inquiry looked at, because what was just reported
:21:48. > :21:53.was a part of it, but not the whole of it. Sir Christopher Rose was
:21:53. > :21:56.given access to all of the materials in relation to Ratcliffe-
:21:56. > :22:01.on-Soar, police and prosecutors and my staff. He looked at the entirety
:22:01. > :22:05.of the material. He wasn't asked a single question, as you would have
:22:05. > :22:10.us believe, but a series of questions. It he was asked about
:22:10. > :22:13.one particular case? He was. But we wanted to know the arrangements in
:22:14. > :22:16.place, the guidance, the approach we were taking, right or wrong, and
:22:16. > :22:21.he answered those questions, by saying that the guidance and
:22:21. > :22:26.approach is right. Can you be confident that was the only case of
:22:26. > :22:30.its kind? He said that he found individual failings in that
:22:30. > :22:37.particular case. Are you confident, are you confident that there are no
:22:37. > :22:40.other cases of this kind? He found no systemic problems. Are you
:22:41. > :22:45.confident? The approach I have taken is whenever anybody raises a
:22:45. > :22:49.case with me. Whether it is a defence solicitor, a judge, a
:22:49. > :22:54.prosecutor, or our inspectorate,ly always look at those issues. And
:22:54. > :22:58.where case -- I will always look at those issues. Other cases have been
:22:59. > :23:03.raised recently, and I will always look into them. Why don't you look
:23:03. > :23:11.at the whole lot? Because there was no finding of systemic failure,
:23:11. > :23:14.there is no point looking at the loss. Why not? Because there was no
:23:14. > :23:21.systemic failure. How many other cases are there? Much better to
:23:21. > :23:24.look at cases brought it attention for reasons. How many other cases
:23:24. > :23:28.are there? There is about half-a- dozen a year. It is not that many
:23:28. > :23:34.to look through, is it? There is no reason, based on the Rose Report,
:23:34. > :23:38.to consider anything has gone wrong in those cases. I'm not shutting my
:23:38. > :23:42.mind to the possibility of looking at those cases. Let's take the case
:23:42. > :23:52.of Jim Sutton, the undercover police officer? The case raised in
:23:52. > :23:53.
:23:53. > :24:00.that report, goes back 15 years. 19196, it is not a recent case.
:24:00. > :24:03.a-- 1996, it is not a recent case. You appeared for the man? It was
:24:03. > :24:07.announced some press conference I wasn't at, he hasn't provided
:24:07. > :24:11.details to me. Do you recall the case? I won't talk about individual
:24:11. > :24:17.cases I may have been involved in 15 years ago. Let me ask you a
:24:17. > :24:20.simple question. Mike Short has raised a number of cases. A simple
:24:20. > :24:24.question, were you aware that the man who was suffering to appear on
:24:24. > :24:27.behalf of the man you were defending, as a defence witness, Mr
:24:28. > :24:32.Sutton, was an undercover police officer? I'm not prepared to enter
:24:32. > :24:35.into that discussion, on the hoof. This is an allegation, made during
:24:35. > :24:38.a press conference at lunchtime that I wasn't involved in. It is
:24:38. > :24:42.the sort of thing you would remember? There are hundreds of
:24:42. > :24:47.questions. The solicitor involved knows if he writes to me with
:24:47. > :24:51.details, as he has done in recent cases, I will look at it, that is
:24:51. > :24:55.what I promise him. It is not right for me to sit here on the basis of
:24:55. > :24:59.what he may have said at lunchtime and speculate on what might have
:24:59. > :25:05.gone on. You said yourself, this was 15 years ago, that does
:25:05. > :25:09.indicate, you say six cases a year that is 15 years ago. There could
:25:09. > :25:15.be dozens and dozens of similar cases involving undeclared
:25:15. > :25:18.undercover police officers? clear what b what went wrong in the
:25:18. > :25:22.Ratcliffe case, that is the authorisation and activities of
:25:22. > :25:26.Mark Kennedy were not made known to the prosecution when they should
:25:26. > :25:29.have been, that shouldn't happen again. If it is right 15 years ago
:25:29. > :25:32.there was a similar failing, I don't know without looking at it,
:25:32. > :25:35.it was raised at lunchtime today, I don't know without looking,
:25:35. > :25:39.obviously, that is something, if it is taken up with me, I will look
:25:39. > :25:43.into. Afterall, it was me that brought in Sir Christopher Rose, it
:25:43. > :25:47.was me that asked him to look at everything in this case, it is me
:25:47. > :25:50.that has put the entire report into the public domain so everyone can
:25:51. > :25:58.see it. I'm not against looking at these allegations. I can only take
:25:58. > :26:03.them as they come. You commissioned the inquiry, and the results of the
:26:03. > :26:09.inquiry have been disclosed, no-one can fault you. In the case of
:26:09. > :26:14.public confidence, isn't it better to look at every case? Had there
:26:14. > :26:18.been a finding of systemic problems or the approach or process that
:26:18. > :26:23.might have been sensele. Since it wasn't the better a-- sensible.
:26:23. > :26:28.Since it wasn't, the better approach was to look at it like
:26:28. > :26:34.this, the Crown Prosecution Service prosecutes about a million
:26:34. > :26:39.defendants, the prosecution rate is 86%. You don't have to look at a
:26:39. > :26:44.million, just half-a-dozen a year. As concerns are raised with me, I'm
:26:44. > :26:48.happy to look at them. 250 people discovered the limits of legitimate
:26:48. > :26:53.protest in Moscow today, they were arrested after being accused by
:26:53. > :26:58.police of obstructing traffic. The police swooped with cries of sit
:26:58. > :27:02.Kens, move, do not stand here, side walks are designed for movement. As
:27:02. > :27:06.so often in Russia, things aren't quite what they seem, there were
:27:06. > :27:10.elections at the weekend, in which Vladimir Putin did less well than
:27:10. > :27:15.he hoped for, but just well enough to ensure he still controls
:27:15. > :27:18.parliament. "fix" cry his opponents, hence the protests. Our diplomatic
:27:19. > :27:21.editor is here. What happened? Politics in Russia is getting
:27:21. > :27:25.interesting again. There were demonstrations yesterday, and there
:27:25. > :27:29.were demonstrations again today, in Moscow in particular. Some reports
:27:29. > :27:33.on the news agency suggesting as many as 5,000 people involved in
:27:33. > :27:37.these scenes. Without permission to be there, therefore, the police
:27:37. > :27:43.were intent on breaking it up. They waded in and started arresting
:27:43. > :27:48.people by the hundred. We also know that there were demonstrations in
:27:48. > :27:53.St Petersburg. Tahrir Square in January this ain't, it is a few
:27:53. > :27:58.thousands, this man giving an account of his grievances to a TV
:27:58. > :28:02.crew, carried off by the riot police. It isn't a huge populist
:28:02. > :28:05.thing on the pattern of the Arab Spring. It is important, for years
:28:05. > :28:08.Vladimir Putin and the people around him have managed to keep
:28:08. > :28:14.things really buckled down in Moscow. Now there are signs of him
:28:14. > :28:17.being booed at a recent sports event, these demonstrations, of a
:28:17. > :28:22.really serious public discontent with what is going on. He wants
:28:22. > :28:27.everything nice and calm for his run for the presidency in March.
:28:27. > :28:31.How is it playing with western observers? That is where this
:28:31. > :28:35.becomes much more significant and interesting than just those, so far,
:28:35. > :28:38.quite small numbers of people on the streets of Russia. There has
:28:38. > :28:43.been really some strong condemnation today. There were
:28:43. > :28:45.observers at these elections on Sunday, from the OSCE, the
:28:45. > :28:49.Organisation for Security and Co- operation in Europe, and they have
:28:49. > :28:52.said, pretty frankly, this was not a free and fair election. They have
:28:52. > :28:56.made various allegations about other candidates not being able to
:28:56. > :29:00.run. About dodgy practices, and they have been very clear about
:29:00. > :29:07.that. That brought condemnation today from the US a second, Hillary
:29:07. > :29:11.Clinton. We have serious concerns about the conduct of those
:29:11. > :29:15.elections, independent political parties such as PARNAS were denied
:29:15. > :29:20.the right to register. The preliminary report by the OSCE
:29:20. > :29:26.cites election day attempts to stuff ballot boxes, manipulate
:29:26. > :29:29.voter lists and other troubling practices. The EU has added its
:29:29. > :29:34.condemnation, there are other people too. The Russians are
:29:34. > :29:38.responding in a tetchy way. It all threatens is the reset Hillary
:29:38. > :29:41.Clinton herself announced at the beginning of the Obama
:29:41. > :29:45.administration, to Russian relations, all that is looking in
:29:45. > :29:49.danger. There is a possibility of going back to a more fractious and
:29:49. > :29:53.difficult relationship. Earlier I spoke to the former
:29:53. > :29:59.Russian Prime Minister, Mikhail Kasyanov, who is now a loader of
:29:59. > :30:05.the opposition PARNAS party, I asked him why people are choosing
:30:05. > :30:15.to come out in protest now? days ago it was a work voting day
:30:15. > :30:15.
:30:15. > :30:25.of called elections, which we as the party PARNAS is not registered,
:30:25. > :30:26.
:30:26. > :30:29.we say it is a non-election. This started off by the implementation
:30:29. > :30:33.of important democratic institutes that it should be a free election
:30:33. > :30:36.by Vladimir Putin's party. It is not free or fair. That is why the
:30:36. > :30:41.people reacted appropriately. I would say that is just the
:30:41. > :30:46.beginning of the end of the regime. Really, you think this is the
:30:46. > :30:51.beginning of the end of Putin's time in power? The whole process of
:30:51. > :30:56.disillusionment of the regime will not last overnight and will not
:30:56. > :31:01.happen tomorrow or in two days. But in two or three or four years,
:31:01. > :31:08.maximum, definitely, it would come to the end. But by that stage he
:31:08. > :31:12.could have got himself elected President? We shall see how all
:31:12. > :31:16.this develops. We have just quite a number of opposition leaders,
:31:16. > :31:21.growing, maturing, opposition leaders, and right now we are quite
:31:21. > :31:28.prepared to step in, but we don't have elections. That is why our
:31:28. > :31:31.political goal will be, would be, for the up coming period to create
:31:31. > :31:37.such public pressure on the authority, just to show them the
:31:37. > :31:43.way out. Not through, I would say, Arab revolutions, Arab Springs,
:31:43. > :31:47.which we can call Slavic Spring. There were also people protesting
:31:47. > :31:52.in favour of Mr Putin today, weren't there? Yes, we agree with
:31:52. > :31:59.that. In fact, we agree that approximately 30% of the population
:31:59. > :32:04.still supports Mr Putin, and his party. That's right. Almost 20% of
:32:04. > :32:08.people support communist party, but the other 50% of people, they
:32:08. > :32:12.cannot find their party, which could represent their political
:32:12. > :32:16.preferences. That is why right now we have a turning point. When the
:32:16. > :32:23.popularity of the regime and Mr Putin in particular, fall down
:32:23. > :32:27.dramatically, not to the zero, but from 70% down to 30%, actually 30%,
:32:27. > :32:34.and that is why, that is what I'm saying, that is the beginning of
:32:34. > :32:38.the end. When the west protests, as the west has protested today, the
:32:38. > :32:44.OSCE, Mrs Clinton, and the European Union, one organisation after
:32:44. > :32:48.another, says these elections, we think, were not fair, do you think
:32:48. > :32:54.President Putin will pay any attention at all? Absolutely he
:32:54. > :32:59.will pay. And he already is paying attention, those statements, which
:32:59. > :33:09.are absolutely elections were not free, elections were not fair. That
:33:09. > :33:09.
:33:09. > :34:06.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 57 seconds
:34:06. > :34:12.is absolutely the case. Also the Tell us what's up? It has a
:34:12. > :34:16.colourful feel to it. It is like a demolition derby, wheels going all
:34:16. > :34:20.over the place and candidates up all over the place. What is going
:34:20. > :34:25.on here for some months is finding a candidate that is not Mitt Romney,
:34:25. > :34:30.it is not that he's a bit dull or a bit insip pid or doesn't enspire
:34:30. > :34:34.anyone, for the Tea Party movement he's not right-wing enough. We have
:34:34. > :34:41.one candidate zooming up the polls, dropping a clanger and then down
:34:41. > :34:44.again. The last one was Herman Cain, the black businessman, who ran
:34:44. > :34:48.Godfather's Pizza, he was not a politician and spoke the language
:34:48. > :34:52.of the people, he made huge errors about the foreign policy. That
:34:52. > :34:56.wasn't the problem, women came forward with accusations of sexual
:34:56. > :35:01.harassment, a woman came forward and said she was having a long-
:35:01. > :35:06.running affair with him. He denied it but has quit. We have at the top,
:35:06. > :35:14.Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker, that clashed with Bill Clinton so
:35:14. > :35:20.much in that era. It is narrowing down to a two-horse race, and Mitt
:35:20. > :35:30.is there. I went to small town Iowa, clutching a DVD of a very famous
:35:30. > :35:31.
:35:31. > :35:38.music video. The much-loved 60s film The Music
:35:38. > :35:42.Man is as American as a movie about small town American values could be.
:35:42. > :35:46.Lurking amid the smaltz is a moral, about dreams and deceptions, it
:35:46. > :35:52.happens to be set in the state that is the first battleground for the
:35:52. > :35:55.Republican presidential hopefuls. Surely there must be a lesson for
:35:55. > :36:00.them in this gem of Hollywood wisdom.
:36:00. > :36:04.Ploughing through the Midwest, the train used to be the best way to
:36:04. > :36:09.get to small towns like Mason City in northern Iowa, where the movie
:36:09. > :36:15.is set. It opens with salesmen travelling to the town, warning
:36:15. > :36:18.outsiders Iowa is a tough nut to crack. # Cash for the crackers and
:36:18. > :36:20.the pickles # Look what do you talk
:36:20. > :36:26.# What do you talk # Where do you get it
:36:26. > :36:32.# You can talk all you want to # But it is different than it was
:36:32. > :36:37.Now it is the Republicans who want to know the -- to be the President,
:36:37. > :36:40.who have to know their wares and sell them to a very conservative
:36:40. > :36:45.crowd. # He doesn't know the territory.
:36:45. > :36:48.will promise you this, I will work every day to try to make Washington
:36:48. > :36:53.DC as inconsequential in your life as I can.
:36:53. > :37:03.We need an American campaign, not a Republican campaign. She's not a
:37:03. > :37:09.politician. That's the difference. Because you see I'm a real person.
:37:09. > :37:14.Here is Harold Hill, the film's star, a conman out to persuade
:37:14. > :37:18.River City, that what it really needs is a boys' marching band,
:37:18. > :37:22.complete with uniforms, instruments, he will supply for a price.
:37:22. > :37:25.band will do it # A boys' band
:37:25. > :37:33.# River City has to have a boys band
:37:33. > :37:37.The author and composer of the The Music Man, Meredith Wilson was born
:37:37. > :37:42.here, it draws on his growing up memories of small town Iowa. The
:37:42. > :37:48.city has set up this museum in his honour. At the heart of the story
:37:48. > :37:52.is a tension, from the natural desire to believe in something, and
:37:52. > :37:57.the Iowa wariness of the superslick. Dough has run a business selling
:37:57. > :38:02.engine oil for 30 years, he has been a leading Republican for all
:38:02. > :38:06.that time. He has met many of the main figures of the past three
:38:06. > :38:12.decades, including Barack Obama, he wouldn't vote for him, but might
:38:12. > :38:17.have voted for him, but now feels he was conned. I feel like I was
:38:17. > :38:21.fooled, he's a very capable politician. Why fooled? Again, I
:38:21. > :38:27.believed him to be true to his core principles, and I believed he was
:38:27. > :38:33.going to try to make changes, and some of them, frankly, I thought we
:38:33. > :38:38.needed to do. I haven't seen the change that he told us was going to
:38:38. > :38:42.happen. All I have seen is the Government has gotten a lot bigger,
:38:42. > :38:47.a lot more intrusive, and a lot more expensive.
:38:47. > :38:51.One of his best-selling products is the Diplomat, a mixture of soap and
:38:51. > :39:01.oil. But he doesn't want his politicians slippery,'s looking for
:39:01. > :39:01.
:39:01. > :40:09.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 57 seconds
:40:09. > :40:14.is the same sense that it is as much about moral debegincy as bread
:40:14. > :40:18.and butter issues. Iowa isn't doing too badly, unemployment is better
:40:18. > :40:23.than the national average, and agriculture is booming with sales
:40:23. > :40:30.to China. Many conservatives are less worried about jobs and more
:40:30. > :40:33.about the $15 trillion deficit. In the slow empty towns like this,
:40:33. > :40:36.Americans feel a desperate need to change their country's direction,
:40:36. > :40:41.they are uncertain who of the candidates is up to the job. Bill
:40:41. > :40:45.is manager of a Christian radio station, and co-chair of the Iowa
:40:45. > :40:52.Republican party. He has to be coy about who he favours, but not about
:40:52. > :40:59.what's needed. When you look at the ordinary people of River City, they
:40:59. > :41:06.look at the total inability of our leaders in Washington to be able to
:41:06. > :41:12.solve the deficit, to be able to balance the budget, and do things
:41:12. > :41:17.that give the people confidence in our economy that's very frustrating.
:41:17. > :41:20.So, yes, our leaders can have a huge impact on the ability of
:41:20. > :41:25.ordinary people to do extraordinary things and get things done. We're
:41:25. > :41:35.going to do it, either way, but we need some help. Can you lead a
:41:35. > :41:35.
:41:36. > :41:41.band? No. Are you a big liar? Are you a dirty rotten crook?
:41:41. > :41:45.Let me go you big liar. You're a wonderful kid, I thought some so
:41:45. > :41:49.from the first, that is why I wanted you in the band, so you
:41:49. > :41:53.would stop mope ping around and feeling sorry for hur -- moping
:41:53. > :41:59.around and feeling sorry for yourself. What band? I always think
:41:59. > :42:03.there is a band, kid. The conman, Harold Hill starts off
:42:03. > :42:07.cynically selling dreams, and ends up believing in them himself, the
:42:07. > :42:11.question is, do politicians do the same. When Republican candidates
:42:11. > :42:15.come here to Iowa, they have to appeal to hardline conservatives,
:42:15. > :42:25.the primary process is one of the things that forces American
:42:25. > :42:28.
:42:28. > :42:33.politicians away from the centre While these Republican candidates
:42:33. > :42:37.are certainly not aiming for the centre, Ron, a former county Party
:42:37. > :42:41.Chairman, worries the public notices when they are not being
:42:41. > :42:46.frank enough. It is sinking in on them, the politicians are dancing
:42:46. > :42:49.around the issue, and I understand that, because things are going to
:42:49. > :42:56.get awful, and you are going to suffer. It is not a winning
:42:56. > :43:03.platform to get voters. You can't get elected with that. Honestly, I
:43:03. > :43:09.have to say they are not doing a bad job of slowly inculcating that
:43:09. > :43:18.view, people will have to accept it. Ron's fond of the Music Man, and
:43:18. > :43:21.still watches it sometimes, and thinks it promises redemption, even
:43:21. > :43:24.for politicians? He does produce a boys' band because he believes in
:43:24. > :43:29.it and the kids. There is a possibility that politicians
:43:29. > :43:33.starting out, I hate to compare them to a snake oil salesman, but
:43:33. > :43:39.you can, sometimes, that they might too come to have more sincere
:43:39. > :43:45.beliefs about what needs to be done. I hope in these trying times all of
:43:45. > :43:49.them do, things are kind of tense right now. In Iowa the fading
:43:49. > :43:53.sunlight barely warms the fields, so outsiders the brand of
:43:53. > :43:56.conservative favoured here can seem harsh, but it doesn't yet have a
:43:56. > :44:01.voice. There seems a quiet desperation, they don't, of course,
:44:01. > :44:05.want a conman, but they would welcome a bit more charisma, flair,
:44:05. > :44:15.a band leader worthy of the march ahead.
:44:15. > :44:15.
:44:15. > :45:18.Apology for the loss of subtitles for 57 seconds
:45:18. > :45:24.What a very odd piece. Tomorrow That's all for now, it was reported
:45:24. > :45:29.today that the man who gave us the West Wing, Charley Wilson's War and
:45:29. > :45:33.the Social Network, is starting to make a new series on a television
:45:33. > :45:36.newsroom, with a fictional programme called Newsnight, some
:45:36. > :45:40.might find it interesting, if it is well scripted and well acted, it
:45:41. > :45:50.might be as interesting as the average day in our office! Good
:45:51. > :46:17.
:46:17. > :46:22.Hello, some rain for most of us overnight. But there is a spell of
:46:22. > :46:26.snow in Scotland. It could be icey across Lothian and the borders.
:46:26. > :46:30.That is where the Met Office warning is. Tomorrow sunshine and
:46:30. > :46:34.showers, most in the west. More sunshine than today. The winds
:46:34. > :46:39.strong and it will feel cold. It will force showers not just into
:46:39. > :46:42.the North West of England but the mid-lapbtsdz. East Anglia and the
:46:42. > :46:46.south -- Midlands. Temperatures may sneak up to double figures in the
:46:46. > :46:50.south west of England, the showers becoming fewer in the afternoon, as
:46:50. > :46:53.the winds gradually ease down a bit. It will be windy for most of the
:46:53. > :46:57.day in Wales, the showers continue across the north of the country.
:46:57. > :47:00.These are expected to be rain for the most part. Showers for the
:47:00. > :47:05.north of Northern Ireland, very windy for much of the day. Sunshine,
:47:05. > :47:09.it will feel cold. The cold in Scotland as well, wintryness in the
:47:09. > :47:12.hills over the showers. Quite a cold feel for the day really I
:47:12. > :47:17.suspect on Wednesday. It does briefly turn very much milder on
:47:17. > :47:20.Thursday. It will be a very strong south-westerly wind, gales, or even
:47:20. > :47:26.severe gales developing across the north. Further south you can see
:47:26. > :47:30.how the temperatures rise. It won't last long, the wind direction
:47:30. > :47:34.changes, later Thursday and into Friday. Drawing down colder air,