:00:13. > :00:15.As the Government announces an inquiry into the rate-fixes scandal,
:00:15. > :00:20.questions about how much the Bank of England knew about what happens
:00:20. > :00:22.happening at Barclays. The shock waves continue, this
:00:22. > :00:27.programme understands the Treasury Select Committee will examine
:00:27. > :00:29.claims by a whistle-blower, and e- mails between the Central Bank and
:00:29. > :00:33.Barclays. We ask the Treasury Minister, and the Labour Party, how
:00:33. > :00:36.many more inquiries they think they need to get to the bottom of a
:00:36. > :00:41.major mess. And what's it like to be a
:00:41. > :00:46.policeman when London burns? We are talking wheelie bins on fire,
:00:46. > :00:49.bottles set alight, and made into firebombs and thrown at us, I have
:00:49. > :00:53.never seen anything like t and I pray to God I never see anything
:00:53. > :00:57.like it again. Tonight we hear from the police in the frontline of the
:00:57. > :01:00.English riots. My colleague screamed they were being attacked.
:01:00. > :01:04.What had happened is this machete had appeared through the hole in
:01:04. > :01:08.the window, and had started hacking at his hand. Could they have done
:01:08. > :01:12.more to stop the destruction. didn't stand back and watch
:01:12. > :01:16.Tottenham burn, which most people make out, which hurts a great deal.
:01:16. > :01:21.We did everything we possibly could, with the resources we had.
:01:21. > :01:30.We will talk to a rioter, a minister, a Met chief, and the
:01:30. > :01:36.woman they call the "heroin of Hackney".
:01:36. > :01:41.Good evening, here is the choice, an investigation of bankers by
:01:41. > :01:48.politicians, or a wider, longer, public inquiry that could take
:01:48. > :01:51.forever and be relegate today dausy shelf. Are we getting any closer to
:01:51. > :01:55.the epicentre of the scandal. Tomorrow a Treasury Select
:01:55. > :01:59.Committee will look into claims by a whistle-blower that could throw
:01:59. > :02:09.the Bank of England right in the middle of the scandal. Allegations
:02:09. > :02:13.
:02:13. > :02:23.of e-mails between Paul Tucker and The 2008 financial crash left the
:02:23. > :02:23.
:02:23. > :02:27.City reeling, for a while put paid to big bashs and big bonuses.
:02:27. > :02:32.Of course the party started again. But only for misdemeanors of the
:02:32. > :02:36.past to catch up with them. On Wednesday evening, behind this
:02:36. > :02:39.wall, there was to have been a lavish party, senior bankers had
:02:39. > :02:43.invited politicians and lobbyists to help them celebrate the summer.
:02:44. > :02:47.Today we found out it was cancelled, instead the banking community has a
:02:47. > :02:52.much less glamorous affair to look forward. To the Treasury Select
:02:52. > :02:55.Committee will grill Barclays boss, Bob Diamond. Members of the
:02:55. > :02:59.Treasury Select Committee tomorrow meet tomorrow to strategyise.
:02:59. > :03:03.Central to their deliberations will be a phone call between Barclays
:03:04. > :03:08.chief executive, Bob Diamond, and the deputy governor, Paul Tucker. A
:03:08. > :03:12.phone call both men are said to regard differently, but led junior
:03:12. > :03:15.Barclays executive to believe the Bank of England sanctioned their
:03:15. > :03:19.behaviour. Tonight we have new allegations from a whistle-blower.
:03:19. > :03:22.Newsnight has seen a letter passed to the Treasury Select Committee,
:03:22. > :03:32.ahead of Bob Diamond's appearance before them on Wednesday t alleges
:03:32. > :03:43.
:03:43. > :03:48.not only phone calls between the Tomorrow the committee will discuss
:03:48. > :03:55.the letter. Sources tell Newsnight much is still up in the air. The
:03:55. > :03:58.committee chair has yet to decide whether he will call Paul Tucker.
:03:58. > :04:02.Today, faced by an opposition calling for a full public inquire
:04:02. > :04:07.year, the Government made its own move. -- inquiry, the Government
:04:07. > :04:13.made its own move. I want to us establish a full Parliamentary
:04:13. > :04:20.Committee of inquiry, involving both Houses, chaired by the head of
:04:20. > :04:25.the Commons Treasury select committee, the iny -- inquiry will
:04:25. > :04:27.take evidence under oath, and will be able to talk to advisers from
:04:27. > :04:35.this and the last Government, and it will be given by the Government
:04:35. > :04:38.all of the resources it needs to do its job properly. Labour continued
:04:38. > :04:43.to push for more. There have already been select committee
:04:43. > :04:47.reports into the banking crisis, a number of select committee reports
:04:47. > :04:50.into the banking crisis. I appreciate the Leveson Inquiry has
:04:50. > :04:57.been uncomfortable for politicians on all sides. But that is the way
:04:57. > :05:01.it should be. We will continue to argue for a full and open inquiry,
:05:01. > :05:06.independent of bankers and independent of politicians.
:05:06. > :05:13.This evening Labour insists they will vote against the Government's
:05:13. > :05:16.inquiry, making it very hard for Andrew Tyire to achieve consensus.
:05:16. > :05:21.More details of the Government's plans came from the Chancellor this
:05:21. > :05:25.afternoon. Fines imposed on banks will now go to the public purse
:05:25. > :05:34.rather than back to the banking industry. A LIBOR inquiry will be
:05:34. > :05:40.led by Martin Wheatley, and there will be a joint parliamentary
:05:40. > :05:45.inquiry led by the chairman of the Treasury select commity. But he
:05:45. > :05:50.insisted his inquiry is also about LIBOR, not banking ethics. Stephen
:05:50. > :05:57.Barclay is a Tory MP who once worked for Barclays and the FSA, he
:05:57. > :06:01.thinks more is needed than even his own party has announced.
:06:01. > :06:06.inquire inquiry needs to lead to us the truth, but it needs to change
:06:06. > :06:09.behaviour. Behaviour is changed by having individual fines. At present
:06:09. > :06:13.people get a bonus individually, but the fine is imposed on the firm.
:06:13. > :06:19.What we need to do is fine the individual so, we change the
:06:19. > :06:25.behaviour F you look the fines individuals have faced so far,
:06:25. > :06:30.almost always it has been less than a bonus for each year. Ed Miliband
:06:30. > :06:34.is going hard for a full public inquiry, keen to repeat the success
:06:34. > :06:39.of calling for an inquiry into the press. The Government don't want to
:06:39. > :06:43.be caught acting too slow t could end up compounding their biggest
:06:44. > :06:50.presental problem, that they are too close to people in the City.
:06:50. > :06:55.Most of the deregulation occurred under Labour, but having said that
:06:55. > :06:58.the process of deregulation started under Thatcher, and the coalition
:06:58. > :07:02.haven't done anything to correct the situation. It is hard to find
:07:02. > :07:09.someone not to blame amongst politicians at the moment.
:07:09. > :07:14.Thatcherite, big bang, or brownite smaller bang, it is now the race to
:07:14. > :07:17.be the one to snuff out the lights. On the whistle-blower allegations
:07:17. > :07:20.the Bank of England said they were not aware of any e-mails, the FSA
:07:20. > :07:24.has said in the course of their investigation they found no
:07:24. > :07:28.instruction was given by the Bank of England to instruct Barclays to
:07:28. > :07:35.manipulate LIBOR. Barclays said they could not go further than the
:07:35. > :07:37.FSA's findings at this stage. Let as take it on with us, we have the
:07:37. > :07:42.Treasury Minister and the Shadow Treasury Minister. We have got
:07:42. > :07:47.three different inquiries, Labour's calling for a public inquiry as
:07:47. > :07:50.well. Isn't it notorious that when you call for an inquiry, it tells
:07:50. > :07:53.the public that you basically don't want to make decisions any more?
:07:53. > :07:57.have been very clear, the two inquiries that George Osborne
:07:58. > :08:01.announce today, the first is into the process of looking at LIBOR and
:08:01. > :08:04.criminal sanctions, and is to report at the end of the summer w
:08:04. > :08:06.the view to putting legislation forward later this year, to go into
:08:06. > :08:11.the financial services bill, going through parliament at the moment.
:08:11. > :08:14.The report, the committee we are setting up under Andrew Tyrie's
:08:14. > :08:17.chairmanship, is to report by the end of the year, there is Banking
:08:17. > :08:20.Reform Bill going through parliament next year, any
:08:20. > :08:23.legislative proposals that Andrew makes could be made in that bill.
:08:23. > :08:28.We know that Barclays broke the rules wrecks know they have been
:08:28. > :08:32.fined and the FSA is looking into - we know that they have been fined
:08:32. > :08:37.and the FSA is looking at other banks what are you doing to stop
:08:37. > :08:41.them behaving badly? We are, in The Libertines inquiry, is looking to
:08:41. > :08:46.the future, and ensuring there are criminal sanctions in place if
:08:46. > :08:52.someone tries to manipulate LIBOR again. That was a big hole in what
:08:52. > :08:57.Balls bulls designed, we have to plug. That where Tyrie is involved,
:08:57. > :09:00.we need broader issues around transparency and ethic to see if we
:09:00. > :09:04.can change the culture in banking. You think the public tuning in
:09:04. > :09:08.tonight will say, that's good, the politicians are in charge of an
:09:08. > :09:11.inquiry into bankers, that will reassure people? What people want
:09:11. > :09:14.is action happening. The public inquiry called for the Labour Party
:09:14. > :09:18.does kick this into the long grass, we need action sooner rather than
:09:18. > :09:21.waiting two or three years, an expensive inquiry, people want
:09:21. > :09:24.action. That is what we will deliver. This is just a bidding war,
:09:24. > :09:29.it is a bidding war for public opinion to see who can go further
:09:29. > :09:33.and bigger and more extravagant in the inquiries they are calling for?
:09:33. > :09:37.If there is a difference of opinion, and I think some people, and the
:09:37. > :09:41.general public, recognise there is a moment of reckoning for the banks.
:09:41. > :09:46.It is so serious with this particular scandal, manipulating
:09:46. > :09:50.independent interest rate statistic tixs, that you have to have a
:09:50. > :09:54.cathartic moment where you have a proper independent. A cathartic
:09:54. > :09:58.moment where we had with the Chilcot Inquiry, which nobody can
:09:58. > :10:02.remember is still going on and hasn't reported? To say you
:10:02. > :10:05.shouldn't have an inquiry because they last for three years, you can
:10:05. > :10:09.set the terms of reference, and have the non-partisan approach.
:10:09. > :10:13.What we are seeing is on Friday, when we called for this full
:10:13. > :10:17.inquiry in the wake of this scandal, the Prime Minister said, oh no, it
:10:17. > :10:19.is not necessary. Of course, over the weekend they have realised that
:10:20. > :10:23.the public are absolutely sick to the back teeth with this whole
:10:23. > :10:27.story, today we have managed to extract, well a partial inquiry, it
:10:27. > :10:33.is not good enough just to have politicians doing it. When this
:10:33. > :10:37.story broke, into political party would even condemn Diamond. It is
:10:37. > :10:40.absolutely right, we didn't hear from any political leader, it took
:10:40. > :10:43.a whole week? Ed Miliband has been saying this week it is time for
:10:43. > :10:47.change in the leadership in Barclays. The key thing on the
:10:47. > :10:52.LIBOR scandal is this, I raised this issue with Mark, during the
:10:52. > :10:57.financial services bill, when we put amendments about stewardship
:10:57. > :11:00.and duty of care to customers, all rejected. When I raised The
:11:00. > :11:03.Libertines issue and said what is the Government's view, do you have
:11:03. > :11:06.a view, it was a one-word answer, no. Are you worried about the Bank
:11:06. > :11:09.of England involvement in this, you have heard about the report
:11:09. > :11:12.tonight? Going back to the point Chris made, when that issue was
:11:12. > :11:16.raised in committee, I knew what was going on, I knew there was a
:11:16. > :11:21.review of LIBOR happening. didn't you say that? I knew the BBC
:11:21. > :11:25.was leading, that the Treasury, the FSA and the Bank of England and
:11:25. > :11:32.banks were involved in it. I don't think it was my job to pre-empt
:11:32. > :11:37.that inquiry, and we have to wait until the FSA report. You told
:11:37. > :11:40.parliament there was no view about it. That is hardly pre-emptive if
:11:40. > :11:43.you said had you no view. Politicians are accused of shooting
:11:43. > :11:49.before they ask the question, it is my job to get the regulation right.
:11:49. > :11:52.That is why we are in the land of inquiries. According to what we
:11:52. > :11:56.have heard, the Bank of England may be at the epicentre of this, does
:11:56. > :12:00.that concern you? What's very clear is that the Treasury Select
:12:00. > :12:03.Committee has called, not just Bob Diamond, but also the regulators,
:12:03. > :12:06.including the Bank of England, to take part in that inquiry, I think
:12:06. > :12:11.it is important that the questions are asked. Are you disturbed by
:12:11. > :12:15.what you have heard this evening? It is absolutely important that the
:12:15. > :12:19.questions are asked, the Treasury Select Committee inquiry is way of
:12:19. > :12:21.doing, that let's wait for the answers. Are you concerned that
:12:22. > :12:25.senior Conservatives like Michael Fallon, the Deputy Chairman of the
:12:25. > :12:32.panel, who sits on the Treasury Select Committee, who will be
:12:33. > :12:37.asking the questions s also a non- executive director of Tullet
:12:37. > :12:40.Prixbon, are you satisfied he's not involved in this? Under this
:12:40. > :12:43.Government and the previous Government, the Treasury Select
:12:43. > :12:47.Committee has the ability to challenge things. Are you worried
:12:47. > :12:49.that Michael Fallon's bank will not be involved in this when he's
:12:50. > :12:53.sitting on the Treasury Select Committee? A number of banks are
:12:53. > :12:57.being investigated. The FSA investigation is on going, I'm not
:12:57. > :13:01.going to provide rauning commentary on who is and who isn't -- a
:13:01. > :13:04.running commentary on who is and who isn't being investigated.
:13:04. > :13:07.will a Government majority of politicians leading an inquiry,
:13:07. > :13:11.will that inspire the public that this is some how independent and
:13:12. > :13:15.forensic, it is not good enough. This is the difficulty, the
:13:15. > :13:20.Government haven't grasped how serious this issue is, you think
:13:20. > :13:24.you can patch up the symptoms and slap people on the wrist. Get ahead
:13:24. > :13:30.of the game, all parties have always struggled with keeping pace
:13:30. > :13:35.on the regulation. Isn't this the moment to get ahead of these very
:13:35. > :13:40.ingenious traders and have a proper full independent inquiry. You know
:13:40. > :13:43.you will U-turn on it soon any way. Ed Balls designed the system,
:13:43. > :13:48.nothing would suit the Labour Party more than kicking it into the long
:13:48. > :13:54.grass, we need to make sure there is a proper inquiry, aks taken, we
:13:54. > :14:00.are the party reforming financial - - action is taken, we are the party
:14:00. > :14:04.reforming financial services. biggest psychological challenge of
:14:04. > :14:07.their careers, the police said, rioters said it was their
:14:07. > :14:10.opportunity for revenge. Nearly a year on from the riots that stormed
:14:10. > :14:17.England, we piece together the events of the few, extraordinary,
:14:17. > :14:21.terrifying days and ask what went wrong. We have been given access to
:14:21. > :14:24.130 interviews of police officers, many fear future budget cuts in
:14:24. > :14:28.England and Wales would hinder their ability to cope with anything
:14:28. > :14:32.of the kind again. Paul Lewis reports, there is strong language
:14:32. > :14:38.in this film. It was a war, and for the first
:14:38. > :14:42.time we were in control. They arrest people for no reason, they
:14:42. > :14:49.stop and check us for no reason. That was the best three days of my
:14:49. > :14:54.life. Six months ago we interviewed hundreds of rioters. Many of them
:14:54. > :14:58.described the disorder, like a war against the police. But what was it
:14:58. > :15:02.like for the officers who were lined up against them? For almost a
:15:02. > :15:06.year, we have been working with a team of academics at the London
:15:06. > :15:10.School of Economics, investigating exactly what happened during last
:15:10. > :15:15.summer's riots, and why. Our researchers have spoken to 130
:15:15. > :15:19.police officers, of every rank, deployed in London, Birmingham,
:15:19. > :15:24.Liverpool, Manchester and Salford. These are firsthand accounts, some
:15:24. > :15:33.of them anonymous, from the frontline of the biggest policing
:15:33. > :15:37.challenge in decades. As I walked up towards the crowd, I
:15:37. > :15:44.vividly remember locking eyes with a particular lady within the crowd,
:15:44. > :15:49.and she started to chant, "murderer, murderer", the crowd started to
:15:49. > :15:54.follow along and shouted murderer, murderer. Mark Duggan had been shot
:15:54. > :15:57.dead by police in Tottenham, two days earlier. Chief Inspector Ade
:15:57. > :16:02.Adelekan had to manage a peaceful protest outside the Police Station.
:16:02. > :16:07.He was in charge that day. He spoke to Duggan's fiance, friends and
:16:07. > :16:11.family. They wanted answers from the police in terms of what
:16:11. > :16:16.happened to Mark Duggan, one of the other concerns is they wanted a
:16:16. > :16:18.more senior officer to convey those messages to them. I found the
:16:18. > :16:23.temporary superintendant, and he made his way within the time span,
:16:23. > :16:26.which was an hour that I was allowed. Unfortunately the family
:16:26. > :16:30.decided that they had waited long enough, they started to walk away
:16:30. > :16:33.from us. I must be honest, as they started to walk away, you could
:16:33. > :16:38.literally see them in the background, that is when the wave
:16:38. > :16:46.of bottles, street furniture, and everything started to come in. It
:16:46. > :16:52.was explosive. The Duggan family had no part in
:16:52. > :16:56.the disorder that was breaking out. Adelekan called for back-up. The
:16:56. > :17:01.Met admits it should have arrived sooner. For two hours his officers
:17:01. > :17:07.were outnumbered and underequipped. They came under relentless attack.
:17:07. > :17:13.We are talking wheelie bin ones fire, bottles that had been gained
:17:13. > :17:18.from the off-licence, that had been set alight and made into firebombs
:17:18. > :17:22.and thrown at us. We are talking about a fridge freezer, pulled out
:17:22. > :17:28.from a shop and rolled towards us. I have never seen anything like it,
:17:28. > :17:33.and pray to God I never see anything like it again.
:17:33. > :17:38.As midnight approached, police from surrounding borrowings arrived in
:17:38. > :17:44.Tottenham. As we got closer, we could make up the silhouettes of
:17:44. > :17:52.rioters, the noise then started to increase dramatically.
:17:52. > :17:56.It was almost impossible to hear the radios. It is the most hostile,
:17:56. > :18:04.aggressive, crowd dynamic that I will ever come across in my entire
:18:04. > :18:07.experience as a police officer. As inspector Andre Ramsey led his
:18:07. > :18:10.officers -- Inspector Andre Ramsey led his officers on the first
:18:10. > :18:14.advance, he was knocked on conscious, this is him, shortly
:18:14. > :18:18.after the attack. I don't know what hit me, it was clearly something
:18:18. > :18:23.extremely heavy. Because it actually cracked my protective
:18:23. > :18:28.helmet. The next thing I remember is being hauled up back on to my
:18:28. > :18:32.feet, by two officers either side of me. I just shook my head, tried
:18:32. > :18:38.to regain my vision. I was conscious that we were so stretched
:18:38. > :18:46.on the ground, I just felt I had to keep going, even though I knew I
:18:46. > :18:49.had been concussed. My biggest fear was having a police
:18:49. > :18:56.officer separated, in that happened, I had absolutely no doubt there
:18:56. > :19:01.could have been loss of life. I assessed that it was a possibility
:19:01. > :19:05.that we might get shot at. Particularly if we were lured to
:19:05. > :19:11.far forward, and I also saw what appeared to be machetes, that was
:19:11. > :19:16.sending out a very clear message to me, that certainly, if anybody got
:19:16. > :19:21.separated, you know, it could all come to a very grizley end. One of
:19:21. > :19:24.the strong he is -- Grisly end. Unwft strongest findings in our
:19:24. > :19:32.research, is police officers feared they would be killed. Senior
:19:32. > :19:36.officers too were astonished that no police died. Despite these fears,
:19:36. > :19:43.in Tottenham, as elsewhere, police kept charging forward. We were
:19:43. > :19:48.coming under the heaviest bombardment of the whole night.
:19:48. > :19:58.Supermarket trolleys were being used by the rioters, to stock up
:19:58. > :19:59.
:19:59. > :20:04.with bricks from a nearby building site. We got parallel with the
:20:04. > :20:08.Prince of Wales public house, I remember bottles exploding on a
:20:08. > :20:12.lampost near me and being showered with glass. We just did not have
:20:13. > :20:16.the vorss at that point in time to arrest -- resources at that point
:20:16. > :20:21.in time to arrest people. Our job was to protect our colleagues from
:20:21. > :20:24.the other emergency services so they could save life. It may have
:20:24. > :20:28.look today television camera that is police were standing back when
:20:28. > :20:32.they should have been making arrests. But officers we
:20:32. > :20:37.interviewed said their tactics were misunderstood. In fact, outnumbers,
:20:37. > :20:41.they said they were concentrating on what mattered most. We didn't
:20:41. > :20:44.stand back and watch Tottenham burn, as most people say, which hurts a
:20:44. > :20:49.great deal. We did everything we possibly could with the resources
:20:49. > :20:52.we had, to try to protect life as well as property. But at some point
:20:52. > :20:56.I had to make the difficult decision, it was life, it was
:20:56. > :21:00.always going to be life above property.
:21:00. > :21:04.Over the next 72 hours, as riots and looting spread across England,
:21:04. > :21:12.police faced a level of violence many said they had never seen
:21:12. > :21:15.before. My colleague screamed, I'm being attacked, and what had
:21:15. > :21:20.happened is this machete had just appeared through this hole in the
:21:20. > :21:26.window and had just started hacking at his hand. In Birmingham gangs
:21:26. > :21:31.fired at police, even taking aim at the force helicopter. In Liverpool,
:21:31. > :21:34.rioters fought vicious, hand-to- hand battles with police. It wasn't
:21:34. > :21:38.looting, if they wanted to loot they have a two-minute walk to the
:21:38. > :21:41.city centre, all the shops were there. It is simply a case is we
:21:41. > :21:47.want a scrap, the police are here, let as target the police and have a
:21:47. > :21:51.scrap with the police, let's get them. They ran us ragged. And while
:21:51. > :21:56.officers in Manchester focused on trying to stop looters in the city
:21:56. > :22:00.centre, in Salford they were overwhelmed and chased out. But it
:22:00. > :22:06.was in London where police were most underresourced. So desperate
:22:06. > :22:09.had they become, that some of the forces' least -- force's least
:22:09. > :22:14.experienced officers found themselves on the frontline. When
:22:14. > :22:19.it all kicked off, that was one of my first-ever shifts. As disorder
:22:19. > :22:25.broke out in Hackney, Michael Lewis was on his first day in uniform as
:22:25. > :22:29.a Special Constable, a volunteer role. I heard a colleague shout to
:22:29. > :22:35.me, get your baton out, I never had to use it before, this thing I had
:22:35. > :22:45.in training, even the small thing that could be quite default for an
:22:45. > :22:49.experienced officer, was very alien to me.
:22:49. > :22:55.Locking bankers. There was pockets of people, that were being very
:22:55. > :23:00.violent, once officers were there, we were the target.
:23:00. > :23:07.They had control at that point, and I think a lot of them knew that. It
:23:07. > :23:12.was venomous. That is what really got me, they don't know me, but
:23:12. > :23:16.when you are in that uniform, that's what it is directed at.
:23:16. > :23:21.We spoke to a number of police, who, like Lewis, found themselves on the
:23:21. > :23:24.frontline with no riot training, protective uniform, or shield.
:23:24. > :23:28.There was petrol bombs being thrown, there was a lorry that had tried to
:23:28. > :23:33.drive through the crowds but had got stopped and smashed up, that
:23:33. > :23:42.was carrying a load of wood. So that was just like a truck load of
:23:42. > :23:45.ammunition. I can remember seeing our car being trashed.
:23:46. > :23:51.I remember the radio, they said that they were watching a gang of
:23:51. > :23:56.them and they had broken into a hardware store. They were getting
:23:56. > :24:03.Stanley knives and things like that, and taping Stanley knives to wood
:24:03. > :24:12.to throw. It just makes you think, it is so prime evil, it sounds a
:24:12. > :24:17.bit weird, it was like the making spheres to throw at us.
:24:17. > :24:21.All I remember is seeing a brick come over the barricades, before I
:24:21. > :24:25.had even a chance to think this brick had split in two, bounced up
:24:25. > :24:32.and whacked me straight in the eye. Lewis was seen by a medic and told
:24:32. > :24:36.to go to hospital. He refused. knew that we were outnumbered, and
:24:36. > :24:41.there was not enough police officers there, and I'm thinking, I
:24:41. > :24:46.remember in my head thinking, all I have is a black eye and a bit of
:24:47. > :24:52.blood, I can still do this job. I don't needing to.
:24:52. > :24:55.He and a colleague were then posted outside a JD Sports that had been
:24:55. > :24:59.looted. There was people coming up taking photos, because I'm there
:24:59. > :25:03.and there is comments coming from the crowd, you have got injured and
:25:03. > :25:07.look at that, what happened to you. I remember they were taking photos,
:25:07. > :25:13.and inviting them to come over and have a picture with us. I'm there,
:25:13. > :25:17.arms round them, smiling, with a black eye. Having a photo that will
:25:17. > :25:24.probably go on their Facebook and be ridiculed for it, at that time
:25:24. > :25:33.that tactic was working for me. It softened this crowd that could have
:25:33. > :25:43.potentially got quite aggressive again. To be stood there again,
:25:43. > :25:43.
:25:44. > :25:50.knowing what the potential is, that was what was really, really
:25:50. > :25:54.frightening. Just knowing that you are stood there, and you could
:25:54. > :26:00.potentially be severely injured or even worse, the unthinkable. You
:26:00. > :26:06.don't know what's going to happen, there's a gang of people there,
:26:06. > :26:10.there's more of them than there are of you. That's, that was petrifying,
:26:10. > :26:15.I hope I never have to feel that again.
:26:15. > :26:19.Disorder was spreading to almost every corner of London. The fires,
:26:19. > :26:22.looting and violent attacks on police were being watched on CCTV
:26:22. > :26:28.screens in a control room in Lambeth.
:26:28. > :26:31.It was off the scale. You know, in 28 years of policing, and 25 years
:26:31. > :26:36.of that involved with public order, I have never experienced it, I
:26:36. > :26:42.don't think the country has. Chief Superintendent Adrian Roberts was
:26:42. > :26:47.the Met's silver commander, the man in charge of tactics. He also ran
:26:47. > :26:51.the Met's review into its handling of the riots. The fact is we ran
:26:51. > :26:54.out of people. It almost became a lottery as to what time the
:26:54. > :27:00.disorder started in what particular borrowings too whether they would
:27:00. > :27:04.get the resources they would need to put it right. It was just soul
:27:04. > :27:08.destroying. Roberts was forced to watch intense fires sweep across
:27:08. > :27:14.Croydon. The firefighters needed police escorts. He told them, he
:27:14. > :27:18.had run out. I was brought up there, and married there. It is my town.
:27:18. > :27:25.Seeing my own borrowing then suffering in the way that it did,
:27:25. > :27:29.again, was quite hard to take. why had the Met run out of
:27:30. > :27:34.officers? Help was available, there is an emergency system to mobilise
:27:34. > :27:41.riot-trained officers from regional forces, a kind of SO SFOR police in
:27:41. > :27:45.times of crisis. -- SOS for police in times of crisis. Other forces
:27:45. > :27:48.used the system well, but the Met did not operate the call for help
:27:48. > :27:51.until Monday, the third and final day of rioting. If they put the
:27:51. > :27:55.resources in on the Sunday, it certainly wouldn't have spread over
:27:55. > :27:58.the rest of the country as it did. I don't think we did enough, or the
:27:58. > :28:02.Met did enough, I think the national mobileisation should have
:28:02. > :28:05.been put in place on the Sunday a lot quicker than it was. By the
:28:05. > :28:10.Monday afternoon, only 500 extra police from around the country had
:28:10. > :28:16.arrived in London. Some of them immediately encountered problems.
:28:16. > :28:20.We were sat in this car park there must have been 200, 300 police
:28:20. > :28:23.officers, we were constantly badgering our command Tories see
:28:23. > :28:29.what was going on. The Metropolitan Police -- commanders to see what
:28:30. > :28:33.was going on. The metropolitan police officers were accessing the
:28:33. > :28:36.radio constantly to see what was going on, the message was they
:28:36. > :28:40.couldn't access the radio channels operated in Hackney and Croydon.
:28:40. > :28:44.For that very reason we were not deployed there. That was the most
:28:44. > :28:48.frustrating thing that I will take from that night. Obviously we're
:28:48. > :28:52.all sat in the van, we are taking phone calls from our loved ones, we
:28:52. > :28:56.are watching it all live on television, Croydon's on fire, the
:28:56. > :29:00.police are under attack in Hackney, and we're sat in a car park, for
:29:00. > :29:03.the simple reason that we can't get on to the radio channel they are
:29:04. > :29:09.operating on. In this day and age I think that is laughable. It just
:29:09. > :29:13.meant that massive amount of resources had been mustered into
:29:13. > :29:17.the capital that day were bakesically useless and being sent
:29:17. > :29:24.to mean -- basically useless, and were being sent to meanal stuff
:29:24. > :29:29.when other areas were desperately in need of help. We didn't get to
:29:29. > :29:34.any places of disorder in time, it was shut the gates after the horse
:29:34. > :29:37.as bolted type of policing, go, go, go, but we never got anywhere.
:29:37. > :29:41.There was no direction, we never met the commanding officer, and we
:29:41. > :29:48.were in the dark. Those 200 officers would have been clearly
:29:48. > :29:54.better than what was already deployed there. We may have quelled
:29:54. > :29:57.it, it may not have got to the point where control was lost
:29:57. > :30:00.completely. There were complaints from several different forces, one
:30:00. > :30:09.officer told us nine vans of police from Thames Valley and Hampshire,
:30:09. > :30:19.were turned back from the Reeves furniture store in Croydon, he was
:30:19. > :30:20.
:30:20. > :30:25.told because a Met Officer wanted a Met police force, so Croydon burned.
:30:25. > :30:28.A lot of people are saying that the officers weren't deployed to where
:30:28. > :30:32.they were needed because of the radio channel? I'm not aware of
:30:32. > :30:36.that. The work done in the long- term about the radios is being done
:30:36. > :30:40.elsewhere. On the night we weren't aware of it. The feedback we had
:30:40. > :30:45.was the airwave, the national system we used worked very well, it
:30:45. > :30:50.was the one thing that did work very well for us. It is true, that
:30:50. > :30:54.as a force, we have not had an awful lot of experience of bringing
:30:54. > :30:58.in such large numbers from outside forces, normally it is the other
:30:58. > :31:02.way round. There is lessons we can and have learned from that whole
:31:02. > :31:06.mutual aid deployment bit. I can assure if you I had known cops were
:31:06. > :31:11.sitting in car park, they would have been deployed pretty quickly.
:31:11. > :31:14.To be clear, what they are saying is they weren't able to access the
:31:14. > :31:16.Met channel, and as a result they couldn't be deployed on the
:31:16. > :31:20.frontline? I don't know the answer to that particular question around
:31:20. > :31:27.the radio channels, it certainly isn't something that has been fed
:31:27. > :31:31.back to me through the review. All the mutual aid officers were
:31:31. > :31:36.interviewed. By the Tuesday, most of the officers from outside London
:31:36. > :31:43.had arrived. They helped bolster a huge show of force, 16,000 police
:31:43. > :31:47.were deployed on the capital's streets. When you had the 16,000
:31:47. > :31:51.officers in place on the Tuesday, there was no rioting in London so I
:31:51. > :31:54.guess the question is, would it have been possible to have those
:31:54. > :31:57.16,000 officers deployed on the Monday? It may have been, it is
:31:57. > :32:02.hard to say it may have been the deterrent that there were 16 though
:32:02. > :32:05.cops so people didn't come out to cause cim -- 16,000 cops to people
:32:05. > :32:09.didn't come out to cause the criminality that they Z we didn't
:32:09. > :32:12.have the large gatherings that we did the previous night. It wasn't
:32:12. > :32:16.that it was there and we were able to deal with it, it didn't actually
:32:16. > :32:20.transgress in front of us. Could we have got the 16,000 out before. If
:32:20. > :32:24.we had the Monday night happen the day before, maybe we would have
:32:24. > :32:28.done. But, there was nothing to suggest that we needed that many
:32:28. > :32:32.officers on that particular night, leading into it.
:32:32. > :32:38.But the intelligence forecasting the scale of riots did exist, much
:32:38. > :32:43.of it was on social media. Police told us that sorting fact from
:32:43. > :32:46.fiction on Facebook and Twitter was one of their biggest challenges.
:32:46. > :32:52.struggled in August, because we didn't have enough trained people,
:32:52. > :32:55.we didn't have the right IT to be able to search the social media.
:32:55. > :32:57.Never before have we had to. Although there is lots of things we
:32:57. > :33:01.have done differently have changed and are doing differently, as a
:33:01. > :33:05.result of what we have learned from the experiences in August, that is
:33:05. > :33:09.the one we really need to really get a grip of. If police struggled
:33:09. > :33:14.during the riots, because they did not have enough officers on the
:33:14. > :33:16.ground, how do they feel about the future? I don't think we did bad by
:33:16. > :33:20.any stretch of the imagination compared to some. I think the cuts
:33:20. > :33:23.that are coming in, will only make things worse, you are looking at
:33:23. > :33:26.less people trained to deal with public order situations. We
:33:26. > :33:31.probably would struggle to do that again, and cope with that level of
:33:31. > :33:35.violence n my opinion. They say it is not affecting frontline police
:33:35. > :33:39.officers, it is. We will be 16,000 police officers less in 12 months
:33:39. > :33:42.time. So the next time we have disorder on that scale, Theresa May
:33:43. > :33:46.can whistle as long as she likes, she will not get that number of
:33:46. > :33:49.staff. I think it will happen again, I have no doubt it will happen
:33:49. > :33:54.again. We have now spoken to hundreds of rioters and police
:33:54. > :34:00.involved in last summer's disorder, many describe the experience as sur
:34:00. > :34:05.role. Some said life had returned to normal, as if the riots had
:34:05. > :34:12.never happened, but others, cannot forget.
:34:12. > :34:21.I think about it. I almost think about it every day. You know, I
:34:21. > :34:26.have said this to my family, it is difficult to live with, really. One
:34:26. > :34:29.has to question one's self, could I have done anything differently? I
:34:29. > :34:33.still every day think about could I have done stuff differently, what
:34:33. > :34:38.could we have done as a service differently. I very much doubt I
:34:38. > :34:43.have put it to bed, but that's life i suppose.
:34:43. > :34:47.That report was by Paul Lewis, here in the studio now, one of the
:34:47. > :34:54.rioters, Aston Walker, given a jail sentence for theft. The Assistant
:34:54. > :35:01.Commissioner of the Met, and the policing minister, and the MP for
:35:01. > :35:04.Tottenham, and Pauline Pierce, known as the "her win for Hackney
:35:04. > :35:07.after the riots. Do you ask yourself the same
:35:07. > :35:10.question at the end of the report, what could have been done
:35:10. > :35:14.differently? Of course, any organisation that's faced something
:35:14. > :35:18.it has never seen before, would be foolish to say it couldn't do
:35:18. > :35:22.things differently and learn things. I think the thing that comes out
:35:22. > :35:24.most from the report, that should be emphasised, the bravery of the
:35:24. > :35:28.officers involved. People prepared to work all hours, put themselves
:35:28. > :35:31.at risk to protect the public and their colleagues. The agonising of
:35:31. > :35:37.the officers in command, trying to use limited ri sources to best
:35:37. > :35:40.affect, to pro-- limited resources to best effect to preserve life. In
:35:40. > :35:44.the aftermath last summer it was not talked about it and it is right
:35:44. > :35:50.those officers are recognised. In terms of what we do differently,
:35:50. > :35:54.the speed and the number we mobilised. The deployment? There
:35:54. > :36:00.was something saying about fewer officers in the future, that is not
:36:00. > :36:03.true in London. We have trained 1,750 more officers in public order
:36:03. > :36:07.skills. You didn't deploy enough people in the places you needed
:36:07. > :36:10.them, that is the point? People made judgment calls at the time, in
:36:10. > :36:14.hindsight we should have deployed more and more quickly. You talk
:36:14. > :36:19.about the bravery, we also heard the frustration of those guys who
:36:19. > :36:26.were sitting, fully trained, riot officers, sitting in a police, in
:36:26. > :36:29.car park, and they said, Croydon's on fire, we're stuck in a car park.
:36:29. > :36:32.It's unfortunate they said that anonymously, the reviews we did,
:36:32. > :36:36.didn't pick thank you very much. We picked up some issues of the radio,
:36:36. > :36:40.we have never called in the Metaphor Mutual Aid on such a grand
:36:40. > :36:45.scale before, we did it this time and we have learned more about how
:36:45. > :36:47.to make it work. Your report didn't bring up the fact that they were on
:36:48. > :36:53.a completely different radio controlled wave, which meant they
:36:53. > :36:56.couldn't hear the rest of the Met. We spoke to many of the officers on
:36:56. > :36:59.Mutual Aid, and that didn't come back to us. There were officers
:36:59. > :37:02.come back from neighbouring forces on the Sunday morning on the second
:37:03. > :37:05.day. That the Met didn't use because they weren't part of the
:37:06. > :37:09.Met? They were used. They were coming in from the day after on the
:37:09. > :37:13.Sunday morning. The report implies that Mutual Aid was not sought
:37:13. > :37:18.until Monday. Not the national mobilisation until Monday?
:37:18. > :37:21.started sensibly with neighbouring forces in the immediate Saturday
:37:21. > :37:25.night as it developed, going to Sunday morning, we went to
:37:25. > :37:32.neighbouring forces and on Monday morning it was nationwide. If you
:37:32. > :37:37.had called it on Monday you could have avoited a while day of -- oh
:37:37. > :37:40.aye what's that then voided a whole day of rioting? It is easy to say
:37:40. > :37:44.that. People made calls at the time, starting to escalate the resources
:37:44. > :37:47.during two or three days. You had those warnings, you heard in the
:37:47. > :37:51.report, people could see the scale that was going to emerge, it was
:37:51. > :37:55.too late? You say that now, in hindsight, that wasn't how it
:37:55. > :37:58.looked at the time. I come back to, officers at the time made the best
:37:58. > :38:03.decisions they could do. Any organisation will look back and say
:38:03. > :38:09.we could do things differently, we have more officers trained, our
:38:09. > :38:15.mobilisation plans mean we can go quickly, we have better systems to
:38:15. > :38:18.look at social media. You arrived on the scenes of the riots, co-s
:38:18. > :38:24.incidently, can you sympathise with -- coincidently, can you sympathise
:38:24. > :38:30.with what you are hearing here? sadly for me what I saw firsthand,
:38:30. > :38:34.there was no effort being made. At one point there was 400, 500
:38:34. > :38:40.rioters here, there was me and about 60 police behind me. And I
:38:40. > :38:45.was giving it what for, and that was not the clip that was, that
:38:45. > :38:49.became famous to people. This was a young man who was being attacked
:38:49. > :38:53.because he took a picture. They charged after him, and they were
:38:53. > :38:57.going for him. You know, I was the one, and a couple of other young
:38:57. > :39:01.lads came along and helped me, and some friends of mine, who helped me
:39:01. > :39:05.to get the crowd back and leave the man alone. And then I gave them
:39:05. > :39:11.what for. But the police, they literally, I mean people say it
:39:11. > :39:16.wasn't what it looked like, but it was. They did nothing.
:39:16. > :39:20.Cars were on fireworks there was no ambulances, there was no fire
:39:20. > :39:25.brigades -- on fire, there was no ambulances, there was no fire
:39:25. > :39:31.brigades, at one point I was pushed into a burning car, my behind was
:39:31. > :39:34.stuck in a car, real Tom and Jerry legs and arms hanging out. If it
:39:34. > :39:39.wasn't for my friends pulling me out, there was no help from the
:39:39. > :39:45.police. You saw that young white guy who had never been in uniform,
:39:45. > :39:51.he was right at the front, he was hit in the eye? For me, personally,
:39:51. > :39:56.I do sympathise to a degree, because it is a hard job that they
:39:56. > :40:00.have. The police do need to be, have a pat on the back for the hard
:40:00. > :40:05.work that they Diamonds Will Do, correctly. But, having said that,
:40:05. > :40:08.it is a job that you chose, you knew the dangers involved, every
:40:08. > :40:11.policeman knows every day they go out there there is a challenge,
:40:11. > :40:17.there is a gun in your face, a knife in your face. You just don't
:40:17. > :40:21.know. So you have taken on a job to protect people. Your response to
:40:21. > :40:27.that? I think she's right in terms of what officers face on daily
:40:27. > :40:30.basis, certainly. I recognise that people are frustrated, communities
:40:30. > :40:34.saw shops looted and the police didn't have enough resource ones
:40:34. > :40:38.the ground to deal with it. I come back to the -- resources on the
:40:38. > :40:41.ground to deal with it. I come back to the film, the officers did all
:40:41. > :40:45.they comfortable we have trained more and more ready for this summer.
:40:45. > :40:48.You were one of the rioters, you described previously the Met as the
:40:48. > :40:53.face of white privilege, your words, having seen that film does it make
:40:53. > :40:59.you think twice about what you did? I actually looted at 5.00am, I
:40:59. > :41:04.wasn't part of the mob rioting. It would be slightly disingenious of
:41:04. > :41:10.me to talk about being part of. That obviously clearly they are
:41:10. > :41:15.doing a very dangerous job, the police, on the frontline. If you
:41:15. > :41:23.had seen more people you wouldn't have done what you had done? Well,
:41:23. > :41:29.possibly, I went out there with the intention to film what had happened
:41:29. > :41:39.You weren't politically motivated? Not at all. No. Even though,
:41:39. > :41:39.
:41:39. > :41:44.obviously a month prior to that I had been on a march for Kingsley
:41:44. > :41:48.Burell killed in police custody. I do a lot of works, I'm ware of the
:41:48. > :41:51.issues of black youth being killed in police custody. You heard in
:41:51. > :41:55.that film, officers, saying they fear the whole thing could happen
:41:55. > :42:01.again, and with imminent cuts, they wouldn't be able to protect the
:42:01. > :42:04.public, or themselves? I disagree about that. There will still be a
:42:04. > :42:09.very large number of police officers available. There are the
:42:09. > :42:14.same number of police officers who are actually trained to deal with
:42:14. > :42:19.riot situations. In fact, as the Assistant Commissioner said, the
:42:19. > :42:25.number has been increased in London. We know that the reductions in
:42:25. > :42:29.police work force, that the inspectorate has talked about today,
:42:29. > :42:33.the inspectorate had been made mainly, not exclusively, mainly in
:42:33. > :42:37.the back room positions, there has been a reduction. But the inspector
:42:37. > :42:42.also said the frontline had been protected but not preserved. It is
:42:42. > :42:46.not protected, there will be a reduction in 6%, we will see nearly
:42:46. > :42:50.6,000 fewer officers on the frontline by 2015? Just to remind
:42:50. > :42:53.people that is 130,000 officers in total. They are already struggling
:42:53. > :42:56.at the moment, you are going to cut that number? I think you are
:42:56. > :43:00.drawing the wrong conclusion. The conclusion surely is. Not my
:43:00. > :43:03.conclusion, you heard from serving officers part of the riots last
:43:03. > :43:06.summer, these are their concerns? When it reported on this towards
:43:06. > :43:10.the end of last year, the point was made, it was about deployment and
:43:10. > :43:17.the speed of deployment. It is not about the total number. It was his
:43:17. > :43:22.fault? It was the Met's fault? -- It was the Met's fault? We will
:43:22. > :43:27.still have far more police officers that we had in the 1980 and the
:43:27. > :43:29.1990. I think there is a collective agreement, and the Assistant
:43:29. > :43:32.Commissioner and the inspectorate said, and other Chief Constables
:43:32. > :43:35.said, that there are lessons to be learned about the speed of
:43:35. > :43:40.deployment. I don't think can you draw the conclusion that because
:43:40. > :43:45.there is what is a -- you can draw the conclusion that because there
:43:45. > :43:49.is what is a relative reduction in the frontline numbers, 6%, but 94%
:43:49. > :43:53.are remaining, that what that means is there won't be adequate
:43:53. > :43:57.resources to deal with these situations, there will still be
:43:57. > :44:01.substantial resources to deal with these issues. We have eye-watering
:44:01. > :44:06.cuts to deal with, more to do we are determined to do everything we
:44:06. > :44:11.can to protect the public. We will try to maintain increased public
:44:11. > :44:16.order officers in the frontline, it will be challenge but we will do it
:44:16. > :44:20.because the public deserve it. you think numbers matter? It took
:44:20. > :44:26.16,000 officers to bring order back to London and we are losing 16,000
:44:26. > :44:28.officers across the Met. I think it is patently obvious numbers make a
:44:28. > :44:33.difference. Right across the country people said where are the
:44:33. > :44:36.police. If you were standing in the Carpet Right building, half a mile
:44:37. > :44:40.from the Police Station where the riot started in Tottenham. Watching
:44:40. > :44:43.flames and youths progressing down Tottenham High Road, with your
:44:43. > :44:47.children around you, in your night dress, those people want to know
:44:47. > :44:51.where the police were. They watched their homes burn down, and they let
:44:51. > :44:55.themselves out. No fire brigade. They let themselves out of the
:44:55. > :45:00.building. It is complacent to suggest with safer neighbourhood
:45:00. > :45:03.teams cuts w transport police cut, with 999 units cut now in the Met,
:45:04. > :45:07.that there is not a problem with police numbers. It is a serious
:45:07. > :45:10.issue, I'm afraid everybody knows that the issues behind these riots
:45:10. > :45:15.have not been dealt with, so we will see further unrest, and not
:45:15. > :45:19.the numbers to deal with it. That is not what is happening in
:45:19. > :45:22.London. We don't know what is happening with the Met? I can tell
:45:22. > :45:27.you where we are. We are not cutting neighbourhood schemes or
:45:27. > :45:30.response teams. Why did it take to five days to bring that order.
:45:30. > :45:35.is the point, this disorder happened last year, where there
:45:35. > :45:38.were a near record number of police officers in this country. A bigger
:45:38. > :45:42.police work force overall than we have ever seen, it had just come
:45:42. > :45:48.off its peak. So quite clearly it can't be about numbers. It was
:45:48. > :45:52.about how those numbers were deployed. The reduction that there
:45:52. > :45:55.has been that you claim of 16,000, most of those, but not all, have
:45:55. > :45:58.not come from the frontline. Because actually when we came to
:45:58. > :46:03.power we discovered there was something like 25,000 officers who
:46:03. > :46:07.were in back room positions. So the police will have ample resources to
:46:07. > :46:12.deal with this kind of situation. You say ample, it is disengineous
:46:12. > :46:17.to say there won't be frontline cuts in the Met. Sorry, I just said
:46:17. > :46:20.that there are going to be reductions in overall numbers, but
:46:20. > :46:26.the independent inspectorate report. So frontline numbers in the Met?
:46:26. > :46:30.The inspect -- independent inspectorate report said today that
:46:30. > :46:33.the frontline policing is protected and preserved. It also said the
:46:33. > :46:38.response times were being protected. It said public confidence was
:46:38. > :46:43.rising. Jew haven't answered my question, why did it take four to
:46:43. > :46:46.five days to do it, why couldn't you do in the first what you did in
:46:46. > :46:52.the last. Get all these police up to Tottenham and get it nipped in
:46:52. > :46:55.the bud instantly. It took five days before any that have was done.
:46:55. > :46:59.You are saying it is deployment? That is what the independent review
:46:59. > :47:02.said. Pauline it is the nail on the head, you look back in hindsight,
:47:02. > :47:07.clearly it would have been better to deploy more people more quickly
:47:08. > :47:12.people at the time made a judgment who would predict there would be
:47:12. > :47:16.mass copycats, criminal looting across multiple places in London
:47:16. > :47:19.and across the country. Do you think it could have been contained
:47:20. > :47:24.in Tottenham if it was taken more seriously at the beginning? In the
:47:24. > :47:27.first night in Tottenham, whilst there was rioting on the high road,
:47:27. > :47:32.Wood Green shopping centre ransacked, the Tottenham retail
:47:33. > :47:35.park, ransacked. We saw that night a pattern that would happen on
:47:35. > :47:38.subsequent nights, not just in London but across the country. I
:47:38. > :47:42.think it could have been dealt with, it should have been, from the first
:47:42. > :47:45.time we saw the cars burning on Tottenham High Road. Thank you very
:47:45. > :47:55.much for coming in. That's all from Newsnight tonight, I will be back
:47:55. > :47:57.
:47:57. > :48:00.tomorrow, plenty more then, good night.
:48:00. > :48:05.I wish I could offer you a ray of I wish I could offer you a ray of
:48:05. > :48:08.hope. For the rest of the week it is further unsettled spells.
:48:08. > :48:11.Brighter start to the day across Northern Ireland and Scotland.
:48:11. > :48:17.Showers developing here, and further south across the country,
:48:17. > :48:21.more generally cloudy with some wet weather spreading up across
:48:21. > :48:25.southern England. For Wimbledon, although we got away with it for
:48:25. > :48:27.late afternoon today, that might be the case tomorrow. Soggy across
:48:28. > :48:32.parts of the West Country, if you are on holiday across the south
:48:32. > :48:37.west of England, good luck. You won't see inch the way of sunshine.
:48:37. > :48:41.Misty around the coasts and hills. For Wales wet weather at times,
:48:41. > :48:46.particularly towards more south western areas. Northern Ireland
:48:46. > :48:49.seeing dryer spells, not a washout here. Temperatures in the mid-teens.
:48:49. > :48:53.Scotland holding on to sunshine. A few sharp showers around, but in
:48:53. > :48:58.the brighter spells, fairly light winds, shouldn't feel so bad.
:48:58. > :49:02.Further ahead into Wednesday, more showers on the menu, some brighter
:49:02. > :49:07.spells, lifting those temperature noose the high teens, possibly low
:49:07. > :49:11.20s, but the threat of further downpours possible, through the
:49:11. > :49:15.second half of this week. No sign of any prolonged settled sunny