:00:16. > :00:21.Is it racist to say BEEP BEEP BEEP, it wasn't when he said it on a
:00:21. > :00:27.football pitch last year. Auk issful trial for Jon George Terry,
:00:27. > :00:30.not guilty, the magistrate praises his performance in the box. But
:00:31. > :00:33.where does it leave the campaign to kick racism out of football. David
:00:33. > :00:37.Cameron and Nick Clegg aren't calling each other names, yet, how
:00:37. > :00:43.long can that last? We are hearing the next review of Government
:00:43. > :00:53.spending, and those all-important cuts, may now be delayed. In Syria,
:00:53. > :00:57.
:00:57. > :01:04.this, again? Football fans love to argue about things that happen on
:01:04. > :01:10.the pitch, was it a foul, was it a free kick? Was it a goal? Was it a
:01:10. > :01:17.potty mouth racist tie raid against a black man? New technology will
:01:17. > :01:21.settle goal line disputes, but so far hopeless at settling racist
:01:22. > :01:26.disputes, we rely on magistrates for. That
:01:26. > :01:32.We will ask whether there was a colossal or embarrassing waste of
:01:32. > :01:36.time or a fair trial. This report contains very strong language.
:01:36. > :01:41.English we proudly tell ourselves, is the richest language, there are
:01:41. > :01:50.tens of thousand of words in common usage. For all this vocabulary, and
:01:50. > :01:56.all the forms and derivatives, The Terrors ter says ended on just
:01:56. > :02:03.three words, black BEEP Black Swan, of the three that are an obscenity,
:02:03. > :02:08.it was the one that wasn't that causeded the offence. John Terry
:02:08. > :02:13.walked out without a stain on his character, but after a week of
:02:13. > :02:18.evidence, no-one looks good. John Terry had admitted using the
:02:18. > :02:21.expletives, he was caught on camera, during a running argument with the
:02:21. > :02:25.QPR player, Terry maintained it was all a misunderstanding, he was
:02:25. > :02:30.merely repeating the insult he thought Ferdinand had, wrongly,
:02:30. > :02:35.accused him of using, earlier in the game. This is what he told FA
:02:35. > :02:39.investigators. I think he's accusing me of calling him a black
:02:39. > :02:43.BEEP, in the altercation we have had. And then, obviously, you know,
:02:43. > :02:47.and even in my statement it is clear to say, I repeat what he has
:02:47. > :02:50.said. I have been called a lot of things in my football career and
:02:50. > :02:56.outside of football as well, being a racist is not one I'm prepared to
:02:56. > :03:03.take at all. I'm not having anyone, let alone Anton think that at all
:03:03. > :03:08.about me, it is a not my character at all. It was John Terry suggested,
:03:08. > :03:13.a rhetorical device, sarkasic reputation, a sophisticateded
:03:13. > :03:19.nuanced argument in a case where both parties admitted exchanging
:03:20. > :03:25.insults, in game that became heat, in a manner that was anything but
:03:25. > :03:31.sophisticate. What was most striking is whether or not a racist
:03:31. > :03:35.remark was used in a perjorative way, they said the venacular of the
:03:35. > :03:39.racism, and the preface of that particular exchange was normal.
:03:39. > :03:42.This is conventional behaviour on a football pitch. I think that is
:03:42. > :03:46.damaging in terms of the perception for football, damaging in terms of
:03:46. > :03:49.young people want to go get involved with football, and a
:03:49. > :03:54.worrying cultural commentary on the state of the professional game.
:03:54. > :03:58.The level of the penalty area discourse wasn't high, Anton
:03:58. > :04:04.Ferdinand admitteded suggesting John Terry had an affair with a
:04:04. > :04:11.team-mate's girlfriend, Terry denied that, and called Ferdinand a
:04:11. > :04:14.knobhead, and wafting his hands, as if he had bad breath. For both then
:04:14. > :04:20.this was obvious want he, what wasn't acceptable, both men agreed,
:04:20. > :04:24.was the use of the word "black". English football spent 20 years
:04:24. > :04:30.riding itself of overt racism, the criminal law can bear down on
:04:30. > :04:35.racial abuse in any context. One of Britain's first black judges said
:04:35. > :04:40.they are tough cases to try. They make me feel incredibly uneasy when
:04:40. > :04:44.I prosecute and defend. Of course, one is always conscious, that in
:04:44. > :04:48.the dock, you have someone who not only has his reputation at stake,
:04:48. > :04:55.there is that possibility that were he to be convict, or she, they will
:04:55. > :05:03.have that label, or that stigma, racism, or racist, yes, of course,
:05:03. > :05:07.the stakes are incredibly high. As to whether somebody ought to be
:05:07. > :05:12.tried on uttering one wore, when they have a clear reputation of not
:05:12. > :05:16.being a racist, whether they should be in the dock for that leaves me
:05:16. > :05:23.very, very uneasy. The charge for which John Terry has now been
:05:23. > :05:28.acquit, led to his losing the England cap -- acquit, as led to
:05:28. > :05:33.his losing the England captaincy, and resigning. The irony is, it is
:05:33. > :05:37.what a court has decided he hasn't done that has causeded most damage.
:05:37. > :05:47.John may have been very many things, he may have been a thug, DUP
:05:47. > :05:52.policous, ignorant, but the one thing he wasn't, was a racist.
:05:52. > :05:57.There is the wider issue of footballer' conduct, Wayne Rooney
:05:57. > :06:01.was convict of swearing into a camera. But how to improve the
:06:01. > :06:03.game's image. A very obvious starting point would be to empower
:06:03. > :06:07.referees in a rather more transparent way to say to players,
:06:08. > :06:13.if you challenge my decisions, if you swear at me, I'm going to send
:06:13. > :06:17.you off the pitch. Will that make a difference? Unquestionably, the
:06:17. > :06:19.managers, up for winning football matches, if they are losing star
:06:19. > :06:22.players for challenging the authority of the referee, and
:06:22. > :06:26.moreover, swearing at them, they will make sure the players don't do
:06:26. > :06:35.it. That could lead to a bit of a sea change in attitudes that would
:06:35. > :06:39.stamp it out more generally. The captain leader legend is how
:06:39. > :06:44.John Terry is style, it is two years since he pick up the Barclays
:06:44. > :06:49.Premier League, Barclays themselves are currently in the mire, now the
:06:49. > :06:54.game they sponsored is simply placed. As leading exponents would
:06:54. > :07:01.put it, in the BEEP. Let's have post match analysis,
:07:01. > :07:09.here are the former footballer and Football Association chairman,
:07:09. > :07:14.Gareth crooks, -- Crooks, and Jim White. Did this case belong in a
:07:14. > :07:17.court? I think it did, I think it was necessary to send out a signal
:07:17. > :07:21.this kind of language was absolutely inappropriate in a
:07:21. > :07:24.civilised society, and that the force of the law was there to
:07:24. > :07:31.uphold the feelings and rights of those who were being insulted,
:07:31. > :07:36.whoever you were, whether you were the eing Rand captain or not.
:07:36. > :07:40.England captain or not. This was a good case to hear in court?
:07:40. > :07:42.ended up a predictable fiasco, one of the reasons the Crown
:07:42. > :07:45.Prosecution Service brought the case was that the Football
:07:45. > :07:47.Association wasn't acting. I think it could have been dealt with a lot
:07:47. > :07:50.more quickly, on Monday morning, the day after the match, if the
:07:50. > :07:53.Football Association look at it properly, there would have been a
:07:53. > :07:57.different standard of proof on the balance of probabilities, John
:07:57. > :08:00.Terry has got off, because in law there is a slight doubt. He has the
:08:00. > :08:04.benefit of a very slight doubt. In society everyone who has seen that
:08:05. > :08:08.tape will have a view as to whether they think this implausible excuse
:08:08. > :08:12.might just be the case or not. the FA could have act quicker, tell
:08:13. > :08:16.me why you think it was a fiasco? Because we have had months and
:08:16. > :08:19.months of this, in the end we can't work it out because you can't
:08:19. > :08:23.follow on the lip-reading evidence. You have a sense, actualry, out
:08:23. > :08:26.there, that people feel that somebody has use at that language,
:08:26. > :08:31.and it's turned out not to be something that you prosecute. There
:08:31. > :08:34.is good news here as well. Everyone agrees it is absolutely
:08:34. > :08:40.unacceptable, the issue is, can you prove it. You could have proved it
:08:40. > :08:44.on a football case on the balance of prob acts, it was never to go
:08:44. > :08:50.proved -- probabilities, it was never going to be proved in a kuert
:08:50. > :08:53.of law. From the -- A tourt of law. From the soundbiteing you are
:08:53. > :08:57.hearing from players today what are you hearing? I'm hearing they are
:08:57. > :09:02.confuse, not awfully surprise. I think they felt that John Terry's
:09:02. > :09:07.legal team had had put together a very sophisticated case. They won
:09:07. > :09:11.the case. I don't agree here that when somebody is charged with a
:09:11. > :09:18.criminal offence, then that charge has to be test. That's what's
:09:18. > :09:23.happened. The issue of whether they win or lose is irrelevant. An
:09:23. > :09:27.alleged racist offence is very, very serious, the courts have sent
:09:27. > :09:30.a very serious message to the public, that if they brush with any
:09:30. > :09:33.criminal activity, they want to look at it. That is very healthy.
:09:33. > :09:38.What should the FA do now? The FA have to continue with their
:09:38. > :09:42.investigation. They have started it. When the police got involved, they
:09:42. > :09:47.made it clear in no uncertain terms to the FA they had had to back off.
:09:47. > :09:52.So the FA did. They could have act earlier, yes, to be fair to them.
:09:52. > :09:56.But, they elect not to. The police got involved. And now the police
:09:56. > :10:00.investigation is over, the FA have to pick up the investigation again
:10:00. > :10:06.and find out whether or not it was worth bringing a charge against
:10:06. > :10:12.John Terry for the language he admits he said. Jim White, isn't it
:10:12. > :10:17.going to look terribly vindictive if the FA go after John Terry, if
:10:17. > :10:22.in a criminal court he has been shown to be not guilty? It will
:10:22. > :10:26.make it very difficult for them. They weren't able to pursue their
:10:26. > :10:29.own case once the criminal charge was put to John Terry. The law had
:10:29. > :10:33.to go through its course. It is now going to be very hard for them to
:10:33. > :10:37.come up with something else. Any way, Terry can use the same defence,
:10:37. > :10:41.which has been successful it time round. I think, once again, the FA
:10:41. > :10:45.is going to come out of this looking pretty powerless and pretty
:10:45. > :10:54.hopeless. Of course, it could be at that John Terry wouldn't be the
:10:54. > :10:57.only party in this dispute, to be found guilty by the FA of some kind
:10:57. > :11:01.of offence? The FA hadn't acted for a while before the Crown
:11:01. > :11:08.Prosecution Service accepted in, and they could have done that. The
:11:08. > :11:13.judge had was clear he had no reason to doubt Anton Ferdinand's
:11:13. > :11:16.account. With John Terry, he's very happy to turn up for a trophy when
:11:16. > :11:19.not playing a match, perhaps he could have said in it moment he had
:11:19. > :11:22.had crossed the line and regrets saying something he said and take
:11:22. > :11:27.responsibility for his own actions. He's the England football captain,
:11:27. > :11:32.and we ask something of him, we might ask Premier League players
:11:32. > :11:36.paid thousands a week, to have the standards that we ask 14-year-olds
:11:36. > :11:40.and 11-year-olds on school football pitches. Have you learned anything
:11:40. > :11:45.this week about how players behave, that can't have shocked you, any of
:11:45. > :11:48.that? First and foremost. People have towns the process. There is a
:11:48. > :11:52.clear misunderstanding in this debate of the process. What the
:11:52. > :11:58.police have done, they have exercise, or the CPS have done,
:11:58. > :12:02.they have exercised their right at looking at a criminal charge. That
:12:02. > :12:05.is one test. They are not in charge the CPS, or the courts, of what
:12:05. > :12:10.happens on a football field. It is a the role of the Football
:12:11. > :12:14.Association. I'm asking about the football field. All the evidence we
:12:14. > :12:19.heard about the abuse that is thrown at players from fans,
:12:19. > :12:23.between players on the pitch Do you think that is edifying? Of course
:12:23. > :12:26.not. Why is that allowed? You have to ask the Football Association.
:12:26. > :12:30.They have referees that are in charge of games. It is quite clear
:12:30. > :12:33.that now the public are beginning to see and hear some of the
:12:34. > :12:38.exchanges at that take place on a football field, one has to ask,
:12:38. > :12:42.what role is the referee playing in this part. There are sanctions to
:12:42. > :12:47.deal with that sort of language. What we are talking about, at the
:12:47. > :12:51.moment, is the language that was useded by a particular player. The
:12:51. > :12:56.question for the FA -- used by a particular player, the question for
:12:56. > :13:01.the FA is, is that acceptable for a professional footballer. Let me
:13:01. > :13:06.take you back a few months when a liver player accepted that he said
:13:06. > :13:10.something ina-- Liverpool player accepted something he said was
:13:11. > :13:15.unacceptable, a racist slur, but in his country was acceptable. The FA
:13:15. > :13:17.took sanctions against that player, it was Luis Suarez, they are now in
:13:17. > :13:21.a difficult position over John Terry. He accepts the fact at that
:13:21. > :13:25.he said wa he said. The question for the FA -- what he said. The
:13:25. > :13:29.question for the FA is, is it acceptable. These players are role
:13:29. > :13:34.models for hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of young fans
:13:34. > :13:39.across the country. The evidence we heard this week, all ate bues that
:13:39. > :13:44.gets hurl about, what do you -- all the abuse that gets hurled about,
:13:44. > :13:52.what do you think we have learned about these role models? If we were
:13:52. > :13:57.to bandy about the words used in court, your operator of the BEEP
:13:57. > :14:02.machine would be complaining about repetitive strain industry, and we
:14:02. > :14:05.are well after the watershed. Football players should take a
:14:05. > :14:08.pause about what happened in this court case, and they need to
:14:08. > :14:11.realise if they are perfectly happy to take the money from television,
:14:11. > :14:16.they have to realise what the consequences of being on television
:14:16. > :14:23.are. They talk about this being the language of the factory floor. At
:14:23. > :14:29.the use that terrible euphamism, "industrial language", but actually,
:14:29. > :14:32.the factory floor isn't beam live, on a Saturday lunchtime, into seven
:14:32. > :14:35.million homes. I think at that we talked interest about the referee
:14:35. > :14:38.having to step in, I think the players have to really take pause
:14:38. > :14:46.from this case, and realise at that what they are doing does themselves,
:14:46. > :14:49.and their game, no good whatsoever. We saw in the report suggested at
:14:49. > :14:54.that referees should start sending players off for foul language. Who
:14:54. > :14:57.would be left on the pitch? To do it one weekend, there would be
:14:57. > :15:01.people left on the pitch. Presumably they would want to earn
:15:01. > :15:06.their money. I go back to being a 12-year-old going to football
:15:07. > :15:13.matches 25 years a as fans we have change absolutely the culture of
:15:13. > :15:16.our game on the terraces with the racism that was there. If I take my
:15:16. > :15:20.children they won't hear the racism that was interest R we weren't
:15:20. > :15:23.expecting to come back from the dress room to the pitch. If the
:15:23. > :15:27.behaviour we expect from the fans paying money to see it, you might
:15:27. > :15:32.expect a bit better for the people being paid �100,000 to play the
:15:32. > :15:36.game. When the Government finally
:15:36. > :15:40.unveiled its plans for social care in England, on Wednesday, a number
:15:40. > :15:43.of key components were missing, such as how would it all be paid
:15:43. > :15:46.for? When we asked for the answers, we were told, just wait for the
:15:46. > :15:50.Spending Review. Our political editor is hearing
:15:50. > :15:56.that wait for the Spending Review might be longer than we expect. It
:15:56. > :16:01.is a very important moment for Government, any Government, it is
:16:01. > :16:05.where obviously spending is decide. In the current climate, it is, more
:16:05. > :16:10.importantly, where cuts are resided. Wa are you hearing about the
:16:10. > :16:14.delays? It was only suppose to be between the 2013/14 window, now it
:16:14. > :16:19.is clear from all sorts of sources across Whitehall and political
:16:19. > :16:24.parties, at that everybody expects it to be towards the end of 2014,
:16:24. > :16:29.as late as possible before a general election, partly because of
:16:29. > :16:33.something illustrateded tomorrow, when the Lib Dem leader meets --
:16:33. > :16:39.illustrated tomorrow, when the Lib Dem leader meets with his people
:16:39. > :16:42.tomorrow, and they haul him over the coals for these welfare cuts,
:16:42. > :16:48.and all sorts of other cuts that have been announceded if that
:16:48. > :16:53.Spending Review. It really throws into relief, that -- announced that
:16:53. > :16:57.Spending Review, it really throws into relief those tens of billions
:16:57. > :17:01.of cuts at that will be incredibly difficult for Tories who want many
:17:01. > :17:05.more cuts. We Nick Boles on the programme on Monday talking about
:17:05. > :17:08.cuts to tax credits and housing benefit, much more than we have at
:17:08. > :17:11.the moment. You have Lib Dems saying tomorrow to their reader at
:17:11. > :17:14.that you can't sign up to the Comprehensive Spending Review, you
:17:14. > :17:18.have to do a separate one, and you probably can't do the ones, you
:17:18. > :17:23.should be reat thising the ones you have if train at the moment. Both
:17:23. > :17:27.parties -- Treating the ones you have in train at the moment. Both
:17:27. > :17:31.parties have to put out the dividing lines pre-election?
:17:31. > :17:34.dividing lines have been set out for a few months now. There is a
:17:34. > :17:40.definite sense of how they have to make it clearer to each party, if
:17:40. > :17:44.you are the Tories, tooth and claw, if you are Labour you haven't lost
:17:44. > :17:48.touch with your base. That difference has been going on for a
:17:48. > :17:54.while, but becoming more fraught and tense, in a period that was
:17:54. > :17:58.supposed to be jolly and feel good, the Olympics, the summer has turned
:17:58. > :18:03.fra,. There is no -- Fractious. There is
:18:03. > :18:08.no dispute, there has been military axiveity in the Syrian village --
:18:08. > :18:13.activity in the Syrian village of Tremseh. The Government says they
:18:13. > :18:16.have killed no civilian, but terrorists, activists said 200
:18:17. > :18:21.people are dead. If it is true, that will be the site of the
:18:21. > :18:27.bloodiest single event in the crisis.
:18:27. > :18:32.Scores of corpes are laid out in one village. The world is reminded
:18:32. > :18:38.of Syria's bloody stalemate, a war in which dozens day, day in, day
:18:38. > :18:42.out, across the country. In Tremseh, according to the opposition, the
:18:42. > :18:46.massacre began with shelling by Government tanks, helicopters and
:18:46. > :18:51.artillery, and continued when militia men moved in to kill
:18:51. > :18:57.villagers at random. One, at least, appears to have been a child. Many
:18:57. > :19:02.of the victims were young men. Some may have been rebel fighters. But
:19:02. > :19:07.what exactly happened at Tremseh, and how many died, can't be
:19:07. > :19:14.confirmed, until the UN mission is able to visit.
:19:14. > :19:22.We stand ready to go in and seek verification of facts. If and when
:19:22. > :19:29.there is a credible ceasefire. Whatever the UN establishes, it
:19:29. > :19:38.seems that, as in other killings, like at Houla in May, Sunni Muslim
:19:38. > :19:45.villagers were pith at least partly against militias, called Shabiha
:19:45. > :19:51.from the President's minority. The sectarian divide widened, when the
:19:51. > :19:55.Syrian official, the ambassador to Baghdad, publicly defect. He urged
:19:55. > :20:00.the army to turn their guns on the criminals of the regime. Last week
:20:00. > :20:05.an even more important figure fled to Paris.
:20:05. > :20:10.His father, seen here in uniform, once defence minister, of the
:20:10. > :20:16.regime's most poufrt Sunni backer. He has gone abroad, and his son has
:20:16. > :20:22.been sidelined. He's an important part of that Regime, but at the
:20:22. > :20:30.point where it turned criminal, it is fairly clear that he has
:20:30. > :20:33.refuseded to join the criminal practices. Some would say if he was
:20:33. > :20:39.already highly mistrust, if he was already effectively under house
:20:39. > :20:42.arrest, this doesn't really make much difference? Yes, it does. We
:20:42. > :20:47.are speaking of the credibility of this regime, we are speaking of the
:20:47. > :20:52.trust of people in the ability of this regime to prevail. It is not
:20:52. > :20:56.clear whether he are join the opposition, but it is likely that
:20:56. > :21:00.French intelligence, busy debriefing him it week, helped him
:21:00. > :21:05.escape. I have no doubt in my mind, at that the western powers are
:21:05. > :21:09.waging a war by other means against the Al-Assad regime. An economic
:21:09. > :21:13.war, a psychological war, and of course, a war of words, against the
:21:13. > :21:16.Al-Assad regime. And my take on it, my understanding, is at that the
:21:16. > :21:21.western powers, particularly Britain, France and the United
:21:21. > :21:24.States, have been very much proactive if trying to motivate and
:21:25. > :21:32.encourage single members of the Al- Assad regime to defect.
:21:32. > :21:39.defections reflect the widening of the war. The family is from the
:21:39. > :21:44.town repeatedly attacked by Syrian regime.
:21:44. > :21:48.Around the capital, Damascus, the army is now shelling areas it once
:21:48. > :21:52.controlled. Now, the United States, whose
:21:52. > :21:54.deputy Secretary of State was in Beirut today, wants more sanctions
:21:54. > :22:00.against Syria. But Russia still hopes for internal political
:22:00. > :22:03.progress. Russia has certainly moderate its
:22:03. > :22:06.support for President Assad, it is willing now to talk about a
:22:06. > :22:11.possible transition to a Government of National Unity. An option that
:22:11. > :22:16.the UN envoy, nan fan nan,s are wants to explore -- Kofi Annan,
:22:16. > :22:19.also wants to explore further. As the civil war intensifies, and the
:22:19. > :22:26.social and sectarian base of the regime grows ever-narrower, there
:22:26. > :22:29.are to credible figures who could act as a bridge, or any real
:22:29. > :22:35.willingness for compromise on either side. We will not talk to
:22:35. > :22:41.the regime as it is, the Al-Assad family needs to be item one on a
:22:41. > :22:45.Princess Anne for transition. A dialogue with members of the regime
:22:45. > :22:51.appointed by Al-Assad is abs routely a waste of time. --
:22:51. > :22:55.absolutely a waste of time. Both sides view the conflict as
:22:56. > :23:02.existential, this is a fight to the bitter end. Make to doubt about it.
:23:02. > :23:06.International diplomacy is sag nant, the Security Council is -- stagnant,
:23:06. > :23:12.the Security Council is paralyse. Tragically yesterday's massacre is
:23:12. > :23:17.unlikely to be the last. The Syrian activist is in contact
:23:17. > :23:22.with pane people inside the country. In washing -- many people inside
:23:22. > :23:27.the country, and other other guest. What are your contacts telling us?
:23:27. > :23:37.The fact that the Syrian regime has done this indiscriminate shelling
:23:37. > :23:39.
:23:39. > :23:41.of it Rhyl village, it has gn cor - - of this village. It has been
:23:42. > :23:45.coroborate, there are dead civilian, particularly women and children. It
:23:45. > :23:51.is a the only way we can tell they are civilians, because of the age
:23:51. > :23:58.and the gender of the victim. have at the told but the chronology
:23:58. > :24:03.of events? At about 4.30am, local time, I got a text message from
:24:03. > :24:09.some contacts I have in a town not far from where the attack happened
:24:09. > :24:12.last night. They said that there was a lot of military activities.
:24:12. > :24:19.Of course, there is some armed elements from the Free Syrian Army,
:24:19. > :24:23.but we did fot expect the Syrian army to have -- we did not effect
:24:23. > :24:29.the Syrian army to be interest, there is bigger France of them in
:24:29. > :24:34.other areas. This is fall if anything a pattern of methodology.
:24:35. > :24:40.The Syrian regular army is employing now to induce sectarian
:24:40. > :24:45.tension amongst those villages where you find Alawite and other
:24:45. > :24:48.Christian sects living side of by- side with Sunni villages.
:24:49. > :24:52.people try to flee? Yes, it is where some were killed. They were
:24:52. > :24:56.killed if farms surrounding the village. This is when those
:24:56. > :25:00.civilians tried to get out from the only exit available to them.
:25:00. > :25:03.Because, we know from our information later in the day, that
:25:03. > :25:08.interests about 20 tanks inside it village. We are assuming those
:25:08. > :25:14.tanks were actually surrounding that village. They went after them
:25:14. > :25:17.when they tried to flee? They were intercept by what they say were
:25:17. > :25:20.civilian, or people wearing civilian clothes, but armed. At the
:25:20. > :25:24.said they were, according to tem, they were from neighbouring
:25:24. > :25:29.villages, and they belong -- to them, but they were from
:25:29. > :25:33.neighbouring villages and they belong to the Alawite sects.
:25:33. > :25:36.can't verify that and you have an agenda here? You are talking to
:25:36. > :25:40.emotionally charged people, these are individuals who have just fled
:25:40. > :25:46.what they considered a massacre. I'm telling you the story as I'm
:25:46. > :25:48.actually getting it from tem. But, unless the regime -- them, but
:25:48. > :25:52.unless the regime allows the international team to go there and
:25:52. > :25:55.investigate on ground, we have no way of establishing facts, and
:25:55. > :25:59.those responsible for committing those atrocities. Which has been
:26:00. > :26:03.the tricky thing if the past. It should be said that Hillary Clinton,
:26:03. > :26:10.your Secretary of State, seems pretty clear about what has
:26:10. > :26:13.happened. She says credible reports state that this unconshenable act
:26:13. > :26:17.carried out, the regime deliberately murdered nfpbt
:26:17. > :26:22.civilians. What will she do about it? I don't think she as going to
:26:22. > :26:32.do all that much, unfortunately. I would actually give more greedance
:26:32. > :26:32.
:26:32. > :26:40.to the statements made by the UN Special Envoy, Kofi Annan. While
:26:40. > :26:44.not as sharply of word as Secretary Clinton, essentially said the same
:26:44. > :26:49.thing. In terms of actions, there is little appetite among the great
:26:49. > :26:56.powers, the European or the United States for a military intervention.
:26:56. > :27:02.I think what Secretary Clinton and the other western powers are
:27:02. > :27:07.groping for, is an intensification of sanctions on Syria, that would
:27:07. > :27:13.put further pressure on regime and then, working with the Russians, to
:27:13. > :27:17.move to some kind of a negotiation. But I must say, that I'm very
:27:17. > :27:19.pessimistic about the prospects here, at least over the next
:27:19. > :27:23.several weeks. What is the likelihood the Russians will be
:27:23. > :27:33.more on board than they have been? I think that we have seen a bit of
:27:33. > :27:37.change in tone by the Russians, but I don't believe that the essence of
:27:37. > :27:43.the Russian position has changed. I think the Russians are still, in
:27:43. > :27:50.effect, providing the kind of support to the regime that
:27:50. > :27:56.strengthens the will of the Alawite minority here, to keep its thrust
:27:56. > :28:03.on, to weaken the opposition elements. Even though if the past
:28:03. > :28:07.month, it strategy is clearly failing.
:28:07. > :28:12.Are we seeing rampent sectarianism at work here? If you look at what
:28:12. > :28:16.the regime has if terms of options. The only realistic one that it has
:28:16. > :28:20.is to actually induce sectarian tension. They have to way to
:28:20. > :28:24.control the country now. There is so many restive areas, at that they
:28:24. > :28:30.do not simply have the man power to actually be everywhere at the same
:28:30. > :28:35.time. Prus they have a big problem recruiting -- plus they have a big
:28:35. > :28:41.problem recruiting people to the army and security forces. Many
:28:41. > :28:46.thousands of young men were supposed to join the army, only 45
:28:46. > :28:52.from Darfur have joined it year. They have a problem recruiting
:28:52. > :28:57.people, it is a why they are wanting people living in villages
:28:57. > :29:02.from other sects, to pay them money and hire them as hired guns, this
:29:02. > :29:12.is bringing tensions in the villages. Now a quick look at the
:29:12. > :29:35.
:29:35. > :29:39.front pages of tomorrow morning's Before we let you go and have a
:29:39. > :29:48.weekend. Just take a moment to consider, that if you hadn't died
:29:48. > :29:55.44 years ago, tomorrow would have been Woody Guthrey would have been
:29:55. > :30:04.live and well. There are only two surviving recordings of him singing.
:30:04. > :30:07.Here he is in 196. # Setting down on his mammy's
:30:07. > :30:11.# Up a hammer in his little right hand
:30:11. > :30:20.# That's enough for me # That will be the death of me