:00:09. > :00:14.The government says problem drug users cost this country over �15bn
:00:14. > :00:23.a year. Should we, could we, do more to break their addiction - or
:00:23. > :00:26.is the compulsion just too strong? This is a thing where I know it is
:00:26. > :00:32.a disease. Whenever I see it doesn't matter, I sat there in the
:00:32. > :00:36.Hackney, and now I'm in The Savoy, I'm jealous of then. The recovering
:00:36. > :00:39.drug addict and comedian Russell Brand is here to tell us why this
:00:39. > :00:43.country is getting it wrong on drugs. With him the man who helped
:00:43. > :00:47.him get clean, a writer who thinks the war on drugs is a cruel hoax
:00:47. > :00:50.and a Tory MP who advises the government on drug policy. And
:00:50. > :00:55.they're calling them the women's games - the Olympics when female
:00:55. > :00:57.athletes finally came into their own. We'll ask three gold medal
:00:57. > :01:07.winning rowers whether London 2012 will turn more British women onto
:01:07. > :01:14.
:01:14. > :01:18.Good evening. The comedian, Russel Brand is famous for a lot of things
:01:18. > :01:21.that don't have much to do with his jokes, one of those things is he
:01:21. > :01:27.used to do hard drugs. The Government estimates there are
:01:27. > :01:30.330,000 problem drug users in this country, nearly half of whom,
:01:30. > :01:34.149,000 have been prescribed methadone to deal with their
:01:34. > :01:38.addiction. In a documentary to be broadcast on BBC Three next weerk,
:01:38. > :01:45.Russel Brand says that's plain wrong. We will speak to him in main.
:01:45. > :01:50.First a taste of his, typically understated documentary. This is a
:01:50. > :01:54.film about drugs. About taking drugs, and getting off drugs.
:01:54. > :02:00.Nowadays, I don't drink or take drugs.
:02:00. > :02:05.Am I'm a little bit cool, a bit of twit and a sort of think I'm Jesus.
:02:05. > :02:12.Ten years ago, I couldn't get enough of them. Cannabis, booze,
:02:12. > :02:21.acid, speed, coke, crack, smack, that's heroin, I took drugs every
:02:21. > :02:27.single day. I know you talk about abstinence, that's fine, I think,
:02:27. > :02:32.some patients the vast majority of mine, who are on methadone, do very,
:02:32. > :02:38.very well. Methadone is a drug, if you're on methadone, you're on
:02:38. > :02:41.drugs, for me, it is rearranging the furniture on the Titanic.
:02:42. > :02:46.would love everyone to live on drug-free lives, on nothing. I'm a
:02:46. > :02:50.GP, long enough to know that's not possible. You're not a drug addict
:02:50. > :02:56.are you, it doesn't make difference the money, the famous, the fame,
:02:56. > :03:01.the women, none of it, I would rather be a drug addict. If I
:03:01. > :03:05.didn't have my programme, I would an addict like that, I would do it
:03:05. > :03:10.gladly. The reason I don't is the things I talk to you about that,
:03:10. > :03:12.and I know methadone, I would be using on top. Russel Brand is here.
:03:12. > :03:16.Welcome. I've watched most of the
:03:16. > :03:22.documentary, more than that, and I guess the first question is why did
:03:22. > :03:25.you make it, why ask you think it was important to make? Perhaps that
:03:25. > :03:33.was a catalyst, to make the documentary, but primarily, is I
:03:33. > :03:38.wanted more people to be aware of the abten nins based of recovery,
:03:38. > :03:43.which I think is the problem. is going cold turkey? No, but, it
:03:43. > :03:47.is having a programme, and a method to deal with a life, free from
:03:47. > :03:53.drugs. We saw at the beginning, the things I found most shocking and
:03:53. > :03:58.amazing, about the footage is you're watching yourself, taking
:03:58. > :04:02.drugs, in your late 20, you look miserable in those pictures, and
:04:02. > :04:07.you're sitting in The Savoy, and you're energying the former self,
:04:07. > :04:10.you wish you were an addict, a lot wouldn't snunds What must be
:04:10. > :04:14.frustrating for the families with drug and alcohol problems, is the
:04:14. > :04:18.al lure and potency of the disease is such it makes people make a lot
:04:18. > :04:26.of irrational and difficult kegsd decisions. The things I did when I
:04:26. > :04:32.was using and drinking, were boundless, and fathomless and
:04:32. > :04:38.nonsensical. People would say why did do you that, why would you say
:04:38. > :04:43.that? Why? There's a sadness, and maldis, that they're trying to get
:04:43. > :04:48.with drugs. What do you think people should be doing?
:04:48. > :04:53.Government is directing too much funds towards methadone and harm-
:04:53. > :04:58.reduction and not giving the correct information. By focusing on
:04:58. > :05:02.criminalising people that use drugs, I think, you're criminalising an
:05:02. > :05:07.entire class and culture, that if it was treated as a health issue,
:05:07. > :05:12.would be able to progress away. want to decriminalise it? That's a
:05:12. > :05:18.sensational way of saying what I'm saying, I don't think
:05:18. > :05:22.criminalisation works. I don't know, because I'm not qualified to talk
:05:22. > :05:26.about the legislative issues. The legal status of the drugs, made no
:05:26. > :05:31.difference to me when I was using. A lot of people will look at the
:05:31. > :05:35.film and other things about drug addicts and say this is a self-
:05:35. > :05:38.inflicted problem. Why should we spend more money trying to help
:05:38. > :05:42.these people. You admit it is expensive the treatment you have,
:05:42. > :05:46.it is expensive? I don't know it is that expensive, comparatively
:05:46. > :05:52.putting people in prison and the social costs and cost it is has on
:05:52. > :05:56.families and our society in general. This problem exists, itel continue
:05:56. > :05:59.to exist, if we address it successfully, we will see
:05:59. > :06:03.improvement. You as an economics editor will understand.
:06:03. > :06:07.understand we don't have much money, why give more money? We have to
:06:07. > :06:15.spend it, otherwise we'll be spending on on prisons, and
:06:15. > :06:20.prisoners, and dealing with it. It is unavoidable, it is the
:06:20. > :06:24.reallocation of funds. It shouldn't be legal? I don't want to encourage
:06:24. > :06:30.it, we shouldn't spend the message to young people, that it is cool. I
:06:30. > :06:34.don't take drugs, or drink. Certain type of person should never take
:06:34. > :06:41.drugs or alcohol. People have Chancellorism, or addictive
:06:41. > :06:45.tendencies, should avoid it. This issue, like non-other, shows a
:06:45. > :06:49.disjunk of people and Government they govern. Your key point is it
:06:49. > :06:54.is a disease, a disease, a discord, rather than something that people
:06:54. > :06:58.have just got into, they could have shopped, it is self-inflicted
:06:58. > :07:02.problem? That's my belief and impiercal understanding of ten
:07:02. > :07:10.years of using drugs, and ten years free from drugs. Well, we're joined
:07:10. > :07:16.by a few people to talk about this. But before we widen the debate, we
:07:16. > :07:21.got Russel Brand and Chip Somers of the drugs rehabilitation charity,
:07:21. > :07:28.Focus 12 Centre, the columnist, Peter Hitchens, who has written the
:07:28. > :07:35.book, the war we never fought, and David Burrowes who helped right
:07:35. > :07:42.Tory rights in rehabilitation. We have one more clip from Russel
:07:42. > :07:48.Brand's documentary. Here people get more than methadone, they run
:07:48. > :07:51.an abstinence problems b problem. didn't become an addict, when I was
:07:52. > :07:57.17, my manipulation started when I was divo, control started when I
:07:57. > :08:04.was three. It is the hardest thing. That's honest, and that's not
:08:04. > :08:08.honest, because it is revealing and painful. I sat in this room, and
:08:08. > :08:14.sat I was here naked. You weren't though, just to clarify, what goes
:08:14. > :08:19.on, it is a cult. We have Chip Somers, Hitchens, David Burrowes,
:08:19. > :08:23.Peter Hitchens. Russel Brand says, this is a disorder, we should treat
:08:23. > :08:27.dug addiction, like a disease, do you agree? No it is a crime. It
:08:28. > :08:31.involves the possession, of a Class A drug which a criminal offence.
:08:31. > :08:36.Which people do voluntarily and do it for pleasure. And if we continue
:08:36. > :08:40.to treat it as a disease, which they should be supervised, there
:08:40. > :08:46.will be more, and more of it, as there has been over the past, many
:08:46. > :08:50.years. We do, not any more enforce our laws on the subject. The word
:08:50. > :08:53.addiction, assumes the person involves have no free will.
:08:53. > :08:56.have no sympathy, for the people who are trapped on drugs? I have
:08:56. > :09:00.sympathy with anybody, who gets themselves into trouble. But
:09:00. > :09:04.sympathy isn't the point. What I don't have is sympathy with
:09:04. > :09:08.somebody who deliberately breaks a known law. They are criminals and
:09:08. > :09:11.should be punished. If they were punished for this, they would by
:09:11. > :09:20.and large, not get into the trouble they get into, and there would be
:09:20. > :09:25.many, many fewer of them. We don't do that. Look at the figures,
:09:25. > :09:29.possession of Class A drugs, of the ones convicted, fewer than one in
:09:29. > :09:33.ten is sentenced. This is a Class A drug the most serious. They are
:09:33. > :09:38.criminals, what is wrong? understand what Peter is saying,
:09:38. > :09:43.and his fraus centralisation, as a person who has to dealing with drug
:09:43. > :09:49.addicts, they're a frustrating people to deal with it. If you find
:09:50. > :09:57.it in yourself, to deal with compassion and love, rather than
:09:57. > :10:03.aggression, there's room for lecture. You've been aggressive,
:10:03. > :10:11.since we met before. That's the bigotry, that's fun.
:10:11. > :10:15.When you have reason, you can learn, We are Why is a comedian, given a
:10:15. > :10:21.programme, to push a policy about drugs? Because he has first hand
:10:21. > :10:26.experience. Why is our debate on drugs so debased this is the kind
:10:26. > :10:31.of thing we're reduced to. Why are you angry, what happened to you
:10:31. > :10:36.Many young people are betrayed. By feeble Government and feebleest.
:10:36. > :10:40.What do you think we should do. Enforce law on people on drugs.
:10:40. > :10:46.More people in prison. Distered for taking drugs, which would ruin
:10:46. > :10:51.their lives. Hay, I want that, I don't think people should take
:10:51. > :10:55.drugs. I want them deterred by effective, policing,lies ton what
:10:55. > :11:03.I'm saying, you will learn something. I heard it before.
:11:03. > :11:06.You're not ignorant, but innocent. Effectively policing. And
:11:06. > :11:11.interruption, nothing resembling reason, thought or fact. And you
:11:11. > :11:17.are making a programme on drugs for the BBC. And I am not. That is why
:11:17. > :11:21.it is exactly the reason. Let's bring in one of the people who was
:11:21. > :11:25.in film, who was qualified do be in the film. He is someone who got
:11:25. > :11:31.Russel Brand and many people clean on drugs, what do you think is the
:11:31. > :11:36.answer? What do you think, is it compassion, locking up? They're
:11:36. > :11:39.simplistic terms, of course, everybody who takes a Class A drugs
:11:39. > :11:44.is committing a crime. But people do it, because it is pleasureable
:11:44. > :11:48.to begin with, and then they become addicted, and at that point you
:11:48. > :11:52.need to intervene in a kind and compassionate way. Nobody sets out
:11:52. > :11:57.to become highly addicted to drugs. It is a disease, we should treat it
:11:57. > :12:01.as a disease or disorder? All I know is everybody who walks through
:12:01. > :12:05.the door of my treatment centre, did not intend to end up that way,
:12:05. > :12:10.they started off, perhaps with good intentions but did not intend the
:12:10. > :12:15.way, it crept up on them, and they became ill and sick, those need
:12:15. > :12:19.help and we try and give it to them. They would be better off if we
:12:19. > :12:23.deterred to do it in the first place. Instead the Government mugs
:12:23. > :12:29.the taxpayer, to �300 million, to give drugs for people who are
:12:29. > :12:32.already on them. That was shocking to find out that, 150,000 people
:12:32. > :12:38.are prescribeed methadone in this country. Should we be actually
:12:38. > :12:43.giving drugs to people, and trying to keep them off the street, rather
:12:44. > :12:48.than helping to kick the addiction. Tirks toss careing to give them
:12:48. > :12:53.methadone, and this Government recognised this big tanker who has
:12:53. > :12:57.been throwing the money, hasn't had a dest destination, it is keeping
:12:57. > :13:04.them in the treatment and not an exit. There's not much, you have
:13:04. > :13:10.been in power for two years. have come out drug-free, and we're
:13:10. > :13:14.paying people in areas to provide rehab, and opportunities to get
:13:14. > :13:18.people off drugs and get back into society, proper housing and work,
:13:18. > :13:21.and pay them by result, not just to get into treatment, but out of it.
:13:22. > :13:26.But the truth is the Government is going to end up using methadone,
:13:26. > :13:32.because it is cheap, surely? It is not cheap in the long run, to be
:13:32. > :13:37.years and years in methadone, we're getting Jerry addict for those on
:13:37. > :13:41.methadone so many years, it makes sense for them to get it off
:13:41. > :13:44.law abiding public are punished through Government for heavy
:13:44. > :13:49.taxation, for, because the Government is not prepared to
:13:49. > :13:54.punish people for breaking the law on drugs, which they enforced would
:13:54. > :13:58.prevent people, following the road which Chip has described. Would it
:13:58. > :14:02.cost more money, surely? wouldn't cost it endlessly. What we
:14:02. > :14:08.have done is committed to an endless programme, of mugging the
:14:08. > :14:17.public to give methadone to people who are on drugs. Which, has, over
:14:18. > :14:24.the past 40 years, used guy beganic... He is Victorian time
:14:24. > :14:29.machine. Itch the Conservative is a soppy Liberal Party. There's
:14:29. > :14:38.nothing easy and soppy taking off drugs. Rustle is one of the lucky
:14:38. > :14:42.ones to come and tell the story, the reaction to rehab is not enough,
:14:42. > :14:48.we want more people to access, and tell the story, whatever you think
:14:48. > :14:52.of the story, it's a successful story to tell. Some of the most
:14:52. > :14:56.inspirational people, you can hear about, are those who have got
:14:56. > :15:01.through, the throws of addiction, and manage today recover. Who is
:15:01. > :15:06.telling the storeive the parent of the young person? Danger of a drug
:15:06. > :15:10.user, who gets no help or deter yents from the Government. Who is
:15:10. > :15:14.telling the story of the taxpayer, who has to finance the failed
:15:14. > :15:19.endless project. But he goes on television to tell it from the
:15:19. > :15:24.sympathetic point of view. But, I think, Russel Brand should get a
:15:24. > :15:28.word in. Peter we want the same thing, I don't think anyone should
:15:28. > :15:32.take drugs, what we want to offer is a sensible solution to a
:15:32. > :15:38.difficult problem. And criminalisation and imprisonment
:15:38. > :15:43.isn't working. It is wonderful to hear you talking in compassionate
:15:43. > :15:48.terms. I understand the frustration, but what you say is antiquated,
:15:49. > :15:53.that fog horn madness from bygone times won't help you. No reason,
:15:53. > :15:56.just abuse. That's not abuse. would love to see the embase
:15:56. > :16:00.between you and Conservative Party. The more the better, because you
:16:00. > :16:04.see how useless the Conservative Party is. Your policy has been,
:16:04. > :16:09.tried, and tested, I'm finishing my sentence, your policy has been
:16:09. > :16:14.tried for 40 years, and what we've seen now is the consequences of it.
:16:14. > :16:20.What we see is a large number of drug takers, far greater than 40
:16:20. > :16:27.years ago, the policy has been applied. Of decriminalising, in all
:16:27. > :16:30.but name. It would, if it were not signed by international treaty, to
:16:30. > :16:34.prevent. It is unofficial but there. We have the result of what you're
:16:34. > :16:40.calling for, and it is terrible. It is time we had a change. Would you
:16:40. > :16:44.better off if you were sent to prison? I don't think it would be
:16:44. > :16:49.much assistance, no. You talk about abstinence? Abstinence programmes
:16:49. > :16:53.in prisons is one of the things we should look at. Penal system is one
:16:53. > :17:00.of the areas where there's room for improvement. It is a mentality
:17:00. > :17:07.shift, and that's why Peter thinks it sounds vague. It is attitude
:17:07. > :17:13.shift, it is a health problem, as as oppose today a criminal problem.
:17:13. > :17:18.Do you think it would help Russel Brand if he went to prison. Tifplt
:17:18. > :17:25.would be different it it made him afraid. It is not designed to take
:17:25. > :17:29.everyone who takes drug into prison. It is deterred them to stop them to
:17:29. > :17:33.going to prison. It doesn't stop some people, once you done that,
:17:33. > :17:37.they believe you, if you stop sending people to prison, they know
:17:37. > :17:41.you don't mean it and the criminal justice system:. It is not
:17:41. > :17:45.expensive. We shouldn't be toll traiting drug use, but once we got
:17:45. > :17:51.them in the system, we should make them get rehab, and that's what we
:17:51. > :17:55.do, not just throw them methadone, but make sure they get into
:17:55. > :18:00.recovery systems. You make no serious effort to keep drugs out of
:18:00. > :18:05.prison. The both, peerlt and Rustle, have, people don't care about drug
:18:05. > :18:11.addict, they don't want to spend money on them. They want them away
:18:11. > :18:16.somewhere. They don't, if they It is a news swans. People don't
:18:16. > :18:19.care enough, to put them in prison. People do care a great deal,
:18:19. > :18:25.especially the drug problem, enters their family stkpeer, and the
:18:25. > :18:30.disaster of drugs, attacks your own family and circle. People are so
:18:30. > :18:33.devastated, they wonder, where the Government is. We haven't much time.
:18:33. > :18:39.Do you think people don't care enough That's basically the problem,
:18:39. > :18:49.although I have learnt to love you Peter, and I'm going to kiss you on
:18:49. > :18:51.
:18:51. > :18:58.the lips, I'll challenge more of your prejudices. We'll deal with
:18:58. > :19:05.your homophobia. How can one deal with one who cannot debate sensibly.
:19:05. > :19:10.Why are you brought here and not making serious problems, you don't
:19:10. > :19:16.know how to debate. He uses the expression, criminalisation, the
:19:16. > :19:23.prern who criminal ices is the person who commits the offence.
:19:23. > :19:27.Otherwise all you're saying all crime is caused by law. You people
:19:27. > :19:35.commit crimes and they are punished by it.
:19:35. > :19:39.I think he is a lovely fella, deep down and confused. We're not saying
:19:39. > :19:44.the law should entitle people to react in ad hoc fashion, in a
:19:44. > :19:49.problem, like alcoholism, and drugs there should be proper treatment.
:19:49. > :19:53.People like Chip, who understand how abstinence based recovery works.
:19:53. > :19:56.My work is to draw attention, that's all I can do, a component of
:19:56. > :20:02.that is tolerance and understanding to people. If this affects people's
:20:03. > :20:10.lives all over our country, and we have to approach it with Ben never
:20:10. > :20:14.lens. You are doing great. From Russel Brand to swaelty women.
:20:14. > :20:23.Let's go. Research shows nearly half teenager girls think sport is
:20:23. > :20:29.unfeminine, too messy, and too much sweat. Commentators who were
:20:29. > :20:35.watching the boxing, were in approval, they're worried about
:20:35. > :20:45.their soft bones. But not to mention thair their ten Gold Medals.
:20:45. > :20:55.
:20:55. > :20:58.We're wondering whether the warm They said lone 2012 would be the
:20:58. > :21:02.equality Olympics, when women's sporting achievement made the big
:21:02. > :21:07.time. This was the first time every
:21:07. > :21:13.national team, included at least some women. There wasn't always
:21:13. > :21:19.liberating. The Saudi women got their own
:21:19. > :21:25.prostitutes of the Olympics cash tag on switer. Here is the first
:21:25. > :21:32.that everyone will remember. The first woman boxer, ever to win
:21:32. > :21:37.Olympic gold. But medals don't pay the rent. A point Lizzie compelled
:21:37. > :21:40.to make, after she battled the rain to claim the first medal of the
:21:40. > :21:48.Games. She said there was massive sexism in the distribution of money
:21:48. > :21:54.and airtime for her sport. Last year, nearly two-thirds of sports
:21:54. > :21:58.response certainship money went to men. Half of one per cent went to
:21:58. > :22:03.women's sports. The rest went to sports with men and women, but in
:22:03. > :22:08.practice, most of the men got that. Then again, why would you response
:22:08. > :22:13.certain sports, that get 5% of traditional media coverage at best.
:22:13. > :22:19.That might be one reason why the short list for the 2011 Sports
:22:19. > :22:24.Personality of the Year didn't have a single woman on it. That lack of
:22:24. > :22:28.positive roll models might explain why girls drop out of doing regular
:22:28. > :22:32.exercise between 10-14. Far more than boys.
:22:32. > :22:37.We've had two weeks of women in prime time, running, jumping,
:22:37. > :22:43.fighting or cycling their way to medals, and a lot of genuine public
:22:43. > :22:48.aclimb. Is that enough to turn us into a nation of women's sports
:22:48. > :22:54.fans, let alone schools girls who think it is cool to sweat in public.
:22:54. > :22:58.To be discussed. Well I'm joined by three of our golden girls, all
:22:58. > :23:03.roars. Katherine Grainger, Anna Watkins who together took gold in
:23:03. > :23:08.the Women's Double Sculls, and Sophie Hosking who won the gold
:23:08. > :23:14.medal in the Lightweight Double Sculls. You brought your Gold
:23:14. > :23:18.Medals along, but we haven't got them in the studio. Russel Brand
:23:18. > :23:23.might have them. We're not sure if a kiss took place, but in the Green
:23:23. > :23:29.Room anything can happen. Is it a fantasy to think we're all going to
:23:29. > :23:34.be switching on women's sports, all the days in inequality will be
:23:34. > :23:39.forgotten in the shower of Gold Medals? I sincerely hope not. I
:23:39. > :23:44.think it is a dream at the moment. But if anything, the Olympics, have
:23:44. > :23:48.shown us the dreams can come true, and the success we're experiencing
:23:48. > :23:53.is something we can hope for and now it is coming in across a huge
:23:53. > :23:56.number of sports from a huge number of different female athletes. This
:23:56. > :24:01.is increasing, over the owe limb pirks, there's no reason why that
:24:01. > :24:05.can't get to a point, that we're matching the men, if not
:24:05. > :24:12.outperforming them. I think something has changed from people
:24:12. > :24:15.watching you rowing, and boxing? do think so. I've been overhearing,
:24:15. > :24:20.controversials, walking around, and the people are talking about the
:24:20. > :24:25.Olympics and women's sports N a way that you don't expect or perhaps
:24:25. > :24:28.wouldn't have heard a few years ago, there's a massive appetite for it.
:24:28. > :24:33.What's the problem? I was looking at the statistics before this, and
:24:33. > :24:38.I was depressed to see one in ten, teenager girls does regular
:24:38. > :24:41.exercise, they're saying it is unfeminine to be sporty. What are
:24:41. > :24:48.the barriers, do you think doing sport in schools if you're a woman?
:24:48. > :24:53.When I was in school, which was a while ago now, the girls were I
:24:53. > :24:58.think, they wanted to give up sport as soon as they conscience and
:24:58. > :25:03.worried, that for instance when they rowed, they didn't want to get
:25:03. > :25:07.muscley. Why didn't you do that, what was the difference? For me, it
:25:07. > :25:11.was because I have two brothers, and always surrounded by sport when
:25:11. > :25:15.I was young, and something that my family thought was important to
:25:15. > :25:22.take part in. I don't think it was bothered by the image side of
:25:22. > :25:27.things. Have you encourterd, anything, sexism, any of you, or
:25:27. > :25:37.what sexism have you encountered? It is very good, right at the
:25:37. > :25:39.
:25:39. > :25:46.moment. We know in our sport, his historically, it is the men's teams
:25:46. > :25:50.got the results. Did the men have BMWs It's a coincidence, because it
:25:50. > :25:54.is the individual feelers, that choose who to give cars, to it
:25:54. > :26:00.wasn't any grand strategy, but it happens, there was a dozen for the
:26:00. > :26:04.men and none for the girls. does that make you feel, do you
:26:04. > :26:08.care? Now I have to walk to work. That's like the Japanese football
:26:08. > :26:15.team, women in the back, men in the front and they're the ones who won
:26:15. > :26:19.the gold medal? I was horrified by that It is hard, because there's a
:26:19. > :26:23.lot of inequality out there. If we're talking about developing
:26:23. > :26:29.women's sport at every level from grass roots to the top level, it
:26:29. > :26:33.needs to be seen, to be something respected and valueed, and that the
:26:33. > :26:40.female athletes, are worthy of the success they enjoin, that comes a
:26:40. > :26:47.lot of different ways, not just in results and funding, it should be
:26:47. > :26:51.equalised? How comfortable are the of the subject at the case, of the
:26:51. > :26:54.women's sports. They're excited about the medal, but they're hot,
:26:54. > :26:58.they don't look like east German shot puters, is that something, as
:26:59. > :27:03.long as you get the attention and money, it doesn't matter if people
:27:03. > :27:09.have talking about your figure? Well I think some of the men are
:27:09. > :27:15.pretty as well. Athletes, generally are attractive. I think for the
:27:15. > :27:21.women it is important. Because, whilst, for us, it is not
:27:21. > :27:26.necessarily the way we want to be seen or remembered, for the kids at
:27:26. > :27:33.school, if their role models are reality TV shows, that's not going
:27:33. > :27:37.to make them work hard, and achieve through perseverance, whereas if
:27:37. > :27:42.they have something they can get their teeth into. It is OK, if it
:27:42. > :27:47.is about sexy and attractive, as long as people do sport? Once it
:27:47. > :27:51.has a positive impact. We're not naive, what young girls look up to
:27:51. > :27:56.is something on the telly. If there's glamour on that, it is not
:27:56. > :28:02.what we're aiming for, but it will help. Do you worry about people,
:28:02. > :28:07.talking about, they look pretty as well as getting medals? I want
:28:07. > :28:11.women on the television, and have the conference and press, because
:28:11. > :28:15.they look glamorous, it is a difficult thing about response
:28:15. > :28:21.certainship, the big money goes to the more glamorous at the males.
:28:21. > :28:25.will see if that changes, in the next year. We'd rather see it based
:28:25. > :28:30.on the performance. Successful women should be the ones earning
:28:30. > :28:38.the big numbers. That won't always work. Maybe hopeless idealism, but
:28:38. > :28:44.maybe a change in attitudes. OK, well, now, we're going to have some
:28:44. > :28:49.papers, we have the Daily Telegraph, Mo Farah facing the final 2078
:28:49. > :28:56.tomorrow, next chance of getting a gold. Shambles about the girl found
:28:56. > :29:01.for a week in her granny's house, which officers had searched three
:29:01. > :29:05.times. And costume drama, the synchronised swimming, they compete
:29:05. > :29:08.to which country in the world is best at splashing about. That's all
:29:08. > :29:11.tonight. If an interview this morning about getting rid of the
:29:11. > :29:16.target of two hours a week in sports in schools the Prime
:29:16. > :29:21.Minister said the two hours that laid down is often met through the
:29:21. > :29:27.Indian dancing classes. I got nothing against Indian dancing
:29:27. > :29:33.classes, he said, but that's not really sport. We thought we'd end