:00:12. > :00:15.On behalf of the Government, and indeed our country, I'm profoundly
:00:16. > :00:21.sorry that this double injustice has been left uncorrected for so
:00:21. > :00:27.long. Our golden summer of sport has been overshadowed by a day of
:00:27. > :00:33.national disgrace. The inquiry into the Hillsborough disaster is a
:00:33. > :00:39.devastating document. Andy's body number was number 50. However,
:00:39. > :00:46.reading a witness statement it appeared that Andrew was given body
:00:46. > :00:50.number 50, before he was certified dead. The truth is now out, we
:00:50. > :00:53.examine the failure of the services that led to needless death, the
:00:53. > :00:57.appalling cover up by police officers, and the spreading of
:00:57. > :01:02.vicious lies about football fans, many of them printed in the Sun
:01:02. > :01:06.Newspaper. We will debate the impact of the report with guests,
:01:06. > :01:09.including Trevor Hicks, who lost two daughters that day, the head of
:01:09. > :01:14.the police service so damned by the report, and asking how justice will
:01:14. > :01:21.be done. The Arab Spring success story looks a lot bleaker after the
:01:21. > :01:24.US Ambassador to Libya is murdered. The loss the ambassador has shocked
:01:24. > :01:29.America, and brought foreign policy to the fore in the presidential
:01:29. > :01:34.campaign. And, captured, beaten and murdered
:01:34. > :01:42.by the police, welcome to life if you are gay in post Saddam Iraq.
:01:42. > :01:52.They call gays "puppies", they were beaten, saying we are destroying
:01:52. > :01:53.
:01:53. > :01:56.the country, we must kill you all. Good evening, the Prime Minister
:01:56. > :02:00.apologised today for the events of the Hillsborough sis SAS ter, for
:02:00. > :02:03.the long years the familiar -- disaster, for the long years the
:02:03. > :02:09.families have had to wait for the truth, for the cover up by
:02:09. > :02:13.ambulance and police services, and the smear campaign by the same
:02:13. > :02:16.services against entirely innocent football fans and their families.
:02:16. > :02:20.Relatives heard of the 96 who died, 41 might have lived had the
:02:20. > :02:24.response of the police and services been better. The Bishop of
:02:24. > :02:29.Liverpool, who chaired the panel of inquiry, said the disaster was an
:02:29. > :02:33.open wound in the city. We're in Liverpool tonight.
:02:33. > :02:36.It's been a terribly long haul for people who had already suffered far
:02:36. > :02:40.too much in bereavement, but tonight, here, there is a feeling
:02:41. > :02:45.of a burden, at last, perhaps, being lifted. And the authorities
:02:45. > :02:53.responsible for all the wrongs, they have been clearly indicted.
:02:53. > :03:00.All the careless insults about self-pity cities and whingeing
:03:00. > :03:05.Scousers, they stand exposed as the cruel nonsense they always were.
:03:05. > :03:10.The people here are no less maudlin than anywhere else, but for 20
:03:10. > :03:14.years they felled traduced. Over the long years, the pleas of the
:03:14. > :03:19.fans have grown ever louder, justice for the 96 who died, and
:03:19. > :03:22.for all their families, and for those who count themselves lucky to
:03:22. > :03:26.have survived the horrors of Hillsborough. Today that quest for
:03:27. > :03:30.justice and truth took a delated, but considerable leap forward, the
:03:30. > :03:35.Government apologised. The new evidence that we are presented with
:03:35. > :03:38.today makes clear, in my view, that these families have suffered a
:03:38. > :03:42.double injustice. The injustice of the appalling events, the failure
:03:42. > :03:46.of the state to protect their loved ones, and the indefensible wait to
:03:46. > :03:49.get to the truth. And then the injustice of the denegration of the
:03:49. > :03:54.deceased, that they were some how at fault for their own deaths. So,
:03:54. > :03:57.on behalf of the Government, and indeed, our country, I'm profoundly
:03:57. > :04:03.sorry that this double injustice has been left uncorrected for so
:04:03. > :04:09.long. Tonight, in Liverpool, there has
:04:09. > :04:12.been a vigil and commemoration, and an overwhelming feeling of relief.
:04:12. > :04:17.Vindication is the word chosen here, and the report makes it crystal
:04:17. > :04:21.clear, there was, indeed, a cover- up. The Hillsborough ground had no
:04:21. > :04:25.safety certificate, and should never have been used, and this was
:04:25. > :04:29.practically a disaster waiting to happen. The police, the Ambulance
:04:30. > :04:37.Services and others in authority deliberately misled the public, and
:04:37. > :04:41.spread lies, wrongly blaming the fans, to hide their own guilt. More
:04:41. > :04:45.than 20 years ago, Lord Taylor showed how the failure of basic
:04:45. > :04:50.police management had led to a terrifying crush outside
:04:50. > :04:57.Hillsborough. I was in it, and explain that night. Those of us who
:04:57. > :05:01.were trying to get into the Leppings Lane end of the ground,
:05:02. > :05:05.were preturbed by the add inadequate policing, which led to a
:05:05. > :05:11.crush and the double gates being open. That led directly to the
:05:11. > :05:21.killing crush inside, while the police stood and watched. In the
:05:21. > :05:30.
:05:30. > :05:35.The report says it can find no rational where police Sergeant
:05:35. > :05:40.David Duckinfield was put in charge. Little regard was paid to crowd
:05:40. > :05:44.safety, on the dae day he panicked froze and blamed the fans for his
:05:44. > :05:47.own errors. As for the Ambulance Service that was badly led and
:05:47. > :05:55.chaotic, and a swifter more appropriate response would have had
:05:55. > :05:58.the potential to save more lives. Tony Edwards lives in the west of
:05:58. > :06:02.Scotland, still tormented by what happened in Hillsborough. He was
:06:02. > :06:06.the one ambulance driver who tried to help striken fans, for years his
:06:06. > :06:10.evidence was ignored. It is a vindication of everything that I
:06:10. > :06:16.have said, it is a vindication of everything that the families have
:06:16. > :06:20.been saying, over the last 23 years. It takes a cursory look, even at
:06:20. > :06:25.the videos to see that the statements that the Ambulance
:06:25. > :06:29.Service made at the time were not correct. In total there were three
:06:29. > :06:33.ambulances got on to the pitch, only my ambulance got up to the
:06:33. > :06:38.epicentre of the disaster, where actually most people died, is what
:06:38. > :06:42.I'm saying. The account that was given is that there was something
:06:42. > :06:46.like, I forget, I think it was something like 40 ambulances were
:06:46. > :06:50.at the scene. But they weren't on the field, that's never been
:06:50. > :06:53.questioned properly, really, where were they?
:06:53. > :06:58.If the emergency services had been run properly, the Hillsborough
:06:58. > :07:02.panel, suggests, as many as 41 of those who died may have had the
:07:02. > :07:08.potential to survive. Kevin Williams, who was 15, was one of
:07:08. > :07:14.them. His mother, who has fought infag teebably to have the inquest
:07:14. > :07:19.opened, now feels closer to her goal. My son and 95 innocent
:07:19. > :07:25.Liverpool fans did not die in an accident, they were unlawfully
:07:25. > :07:30.killed, at the least. There have been precedents before over
:07:30. > :07:34.inquests, something this big, obviously not, of these proportions.
:07:34. > :07:37.Particularly when you see the extent in which evidence has been
:07:37. > :07:41.manipulated and fabricated. That is on one side, then there is the
:07:41. > :07:45.question of prosecutions, criminal liability. That is possible do you
:07:45. > :07:49.think? Absolutely possible. story traces the origins of the
:07:49. > :07:52.smear campaign by the South Yorkshire police against the
:07:52. > :07:56.Liverpool fans t shows how the story was cooked up in a series of
:07:56. > :08:01.meetings over three days, between the south Yorkshire Police
:08:01. > :08:04.Federation, a local Conservative MP, and a Sheffield news agency. The
:08:05. > :08:09.south Yorkshire Chief Constable, Peter Wright, gave the Police
:08:09. > :08:13.Federation, what the panel calls, "a free hand", to prepare a rock
:08:14. > :08:20.solid story, exonerating the police, and blaming drunken, ticketless
:08:20. > :08:25.fans. The MP, Irvine Patnik, fed it to the agency, and it went national,
:08:25. > :08:30.most damagingly in the Sun, where it was labelled "the truth".
:08:30. > :08:33.Tonight the Sun made a gofling apology. The Hillsborough
:08:33. > :08:36.Indepndent Panel has established what happened that day. It is an
:08:36. > :08:40.appalling story, and at the heart of it are the police's attempt to
:08:40. > :08:45.smear Liverpool fans. It is a version of events that 23 years ago
:08:45. > :08:48.the Sun went along w and for that we are deeply ashamed and
:08:48. > :08:52.profoundly sorry. We have co- operated fully with the
:08:52. > :08:57.Hillsborough Indepndent Panel, and will publish reports of their
:08:57. > :09:01.findings in tomorrow's newspaper. The Hillsborough panel have
:09:01. > :09:06.produced a devastating report, adding solid evidence, 450,000
:09:06. > :09:11.documents, now lodged on-line. police officers, many ambulance
:09:11. > :09:16.staff, many lawyers tried to do their best at the occasion of
:09:16. > :09:20.Hillsborough, but, some got it badly wrong. That does make it
:09:20. > :09:24.difficult, it makes it difficult in a personal sense, but what makes it
:09:24. > :09:27.really strong, then, is to think that we are giving a document that
:09:27. > :09:32.can actually help make it better for the future. Because these
:09:32. > :09:37.mistakes don't need to happen again. For the bereaved families, people
:09:37. > :09:41.like Trevor Hicks, who lost his daughters, Sarah and Vicky, this is
:09:41. > :09:44.what he has waited for. It means vindication of everything we have
:09:44. > :09:46.said. With David Cameron's apology we basically have the Prime
:09:47. > :09:56.Minister saying that all the agencies of the state have let us
:09:57. > :10:00.
:10:00. > :10:05.down, and worse than that, they have actually worked against us.
:10:05. > :10:10.The people of Liverpool, the blood liable, that they killed their own,
:10:10. > :10:17.has been exposed as a lie, tonight though, the battle for the truth is
:10:17. > :10:20.surely known. In the studio we have the Liverpool
:10:20. > :10:24.MP, and the Chief Constable of south Yorkshire Police, the force
:10:25. > :10:30.responsible for policing the football ground, in Liverpool the
:10:30. > :10:37.former lead singer of The Farm, Peter Hooton, who was at his borrow,
:10:37. > :10:41.and who has campaigning for victims, and Trevor Hicks, who lost two
:10:41. > :10:45.daughters. Trevor Tiktaalic, this has been such a long -- Trevor
:10:45. > :10:49.Hicks, this has been such a long road for you, the relatives had to
:10:49. > :10:55.do all the heavy lifting, pressing for this kind of inquiry. What has
:10:55. > :11:00.been the impact on you today with the result? Mixed, we are extremely
:11:00. > :11:05.grateful to the panel for the very forthright report they have
:11:05. > :11:10.produced, more forthright than we expected, I must say that. Also, as
:11:10. > :11:15.you have highlighted in your lead there, we have had some extremely
:11:15. > :11:20.difficult news to cope with, that is, that potentially up to 41
:11:20. > :11:23.people could have survived if the response had been better, more co-
:11:24. > :11:29.ordinated and much quicker. This must have been a shocking
:11:29. > :11:35.revelation to all the families, after 23 years? Some of it we have
:11:35. > :11:38.been saying, we feel totally indvaited, we have been vilified by
:11:38. > :11:43.-- vindicated. We have been vilified by people saying we are
:11:43. > :11:47.scapegoating and all that sort of thing, from that point of view we
:11:47. > :11:51.feel fully vindicated for what we have done. We already knew, and we
:11:51. > :11:54.already suspected lots of what was in it, but if I can speak for
:11:54. > :12:00.myself, I know it is the case with most of the other families, even we
:12:00. > :12:05.have been shocked by just how far and how deep this dirty tricks
:12:06. > :12:09.campaign has gone on. The idea that 41 of the 96 had the possibility
:12:09. > :12:15.that they would have survived that, had the police and Ambulance
:12:15. > :12:22.Services acted differently, that in theself, does that make the cover-
:12:22. > :12:28.up more profoundly shocking? Yes, in very simple terms. It also, as
:12:28. > :12:33.you would expect, it makes the accidental death verdict totally
:12:33. > :12:38.untenable now. That's where our next stage of the campaign will go.
:12:38. > :12:45.That will be to have that squashed, set aside, and new inquests put in
:12:45. > :12:51.place. If I can just, looking at those statements, 164 statements
:12:51. > :12:57.were amended, and 160 negative comments about police officers were
:12:57. > :13:02.removed. 116, is this beyond what you could have imagined? Yes it is,
:13:02. > :13:06.the numbers get bigger every time it is exposed. We also found from
:13:06. > :13:10.the documentary evidence that the panel reported on, that there was
:13:10. > :13:13.actually meetings between the Chief Constable and, what effectively is
:13:13. > :13:19.the police union, the Police Federation, where they were co-
:13:19. > :13:25.ordinating their efforts to use the panel's phrase "to build a strong
:13:25. > :13:31.story", and to have a concerted effort to bring blame on the fans.
:13:31. > :13:39.We bring in the South Yorkshire Chief Constable, David Crompton,
:13:39. > :13:43.which is more veepbl, that there was a terrible -- venal, that there
:13:43. > :13:49.was a terrible cover-up on the day, or they tried to smear people and
:13:49. > :13:55.their families, surely this is a shaming day for South Yorkshire
:13:55. > :14:01.Police? Yes, it has been a very uncomfortable day for us. But any
:14:01. > :14:05.discomfort felt in the force pales into incision compared to Trevor
:14:05. > :14:09.Hicks and the families, who have been put through 23 years of hell,
:14:10. > :14:12.really. Here and now can I say I profoundly apologise for the
:14:12. > :14:15.experience they have been put through and what happened on the
:14:15. > :14:19.day. Let's look at what we are dealing with here, we are dealing
:14:19. > :14:23.with a lot of police officers who are still serving, and in those 23
:14:23. > :14:29.years, when these relatives have been doing so much to try to get to
:14:29. > :14:34.the truth, there was no-one police whistleblower, there was no-one
:14:34. > :14:38.police officer coming forward saying, this is a pack of lies, I
:14:38. > :14:43.behaved badly my colleagues behaved badly. That shows a pretty damning
:14:43. > :14:46.culture still within South Yorkshire Police? I would say that
:14:46. > :14:50.in 2012 South Yorkshire Police is a very different place than in 1989.
:14:50. > :14:55.You only know that from today, presumably, you didn't know until
:14:55. > :14:59.today how badly the police had behaved? And I would agree that
:14:59. > :15:04.nobody coming forward over all of that time is damning indictment,
:15:04. > :15:08.and somebody should have done it. And there's police officers today
:15:08. > :15:12.who presumably, in your force, you want to go to and say how do you
:15:13. > :15:16.feel now after 23 years of keeping your mouth shut. Did you know about
:15:16. > :15:21.this, as a Chief Constable, how much of a cover-up there had been
:15:21. > :15:27.by individual officers? No, I didn't have any idea of that. I was
:15:28. > :15:32.as shocked as everybody else when the result of the report came out
:15:32. > :15:38.this morning. Can we be sure that the cover-up, not in the case of
:15:38. > :15:41.Hillsborough, we know about that, can you be sure? People in this
:15:41. > :15:45.country put their trust in police officers to uphold the law, and you
:15:45. > :15:48.can't be sure that this kind of cover-up, you say the culture has
:15:48. > :15:54.changed, you don't know that, you can't know that? One concrete
:15:54. > :15:59.reason I would advance is this, that if we go all the way back to
:15:59. > :16:03.1989, there was tremendous pressure on Lord Justice Taylor, to come to
:16:03. > :16:06.the conclusion of his interim report, prior to the commencement
:16:06. > :16:09.of the next football season. That meant there were a huge number of
:16:09. > :16:14.statements to be gathered and processed, and they weren't dealt
:16:14. > :16:18.with in the normal every day way that police officers would deal
:16:18. > :16:21.with statements, for example, for shoplifting or burglary. In that
:16:21. > :16:29.sense there was unusual and unique. Therefore, I feel that it's not
:16:29. > :16:32.something that would be repeated. Trevor Hicks, I just want you to
:16:32. > :16:35.respond to that. How do you feel about trusting police officers
:16:35. > :16:40.there on that day to be doing their jobs nowadays? First of all, there
:16:40. > :16:50.were lots of police officers who did a good job on the day. So, it's
:16:50. > :16:51.
:16:51. > :16:56.not a universal dam nation, but, I think the -- damnation, but I think
:16:56. > :16:59.those police officers on the day those police officers who put in
:17:00. > :17:07.their statements criticism of the force, they were removed. Where
:17:07. > :17:10.there was any blame put on the fans, they were exaggerated. I understand
:17:10. > :17:15.the Chief Constable wasn't in post at the time, and again, as we have
:17:15. > :17:18.said lots of times, over the 23 years, even at the Stuart Smith
:17:18. > :17:23.inquiry, the fact that the statements had been doctored was
:17:23. > :17:27.known, and nothing was done about it. Louise Elman, I want to bring
:17:27. > :17:32.you in on that, exactly what Trevor Hicks was saying, this was known.
:17:32. > :17:37.Politicians haven't exactly covered themselves in glory over this. Andy
:17:37. > :17:41.Burnham started three years ago on this, but Will Straw, 13 years ago,
:17:41. > :17:46.had the opportunity to have -- Jack Straw, 13 years ago, had the
:17:46. > :17:50.opportunity to have just such an inquiry, and had he done that, the
:17:50. > :17:56.relatives wouldn't have had to have this for 13 years? The campaign led
:17:56. > :17:59.by the bereaved and traumatised over the last 23 years has been
:17:59. > :18:02.totally vindicated. It is shame on everybody involved that we didn't
:18:02. > :18:06.get to the public truth until today. Had it not been for them, there
:18:06. > :18:10.were individual politicians, but had it not been for their dogged
:18:10. > :18:13.persistence to get to the truth, we would never have known it? Today's
:18:13. > :18:19.revelations, revelations to the whole world, have come about
:18:19. > :18:24.because of the persistence of those campaigners. Tribute must be made
:18:24. > :18:27.to them. We must not leave things now. The scale of the organised
:18:27. > :18:31.conspiracy is outrageous, but we must now move further than that,
:18:31. > :18:35.now that the world knows the truth, the truth that many people
:18:35. > :18:39.suspected before, and indeed some knew about before, must now be
:18:39. > :18:42.exposed. We need a new inquest, and it is very important that the
:18:42. > :18:46.Attorney General prepares a case with great urgency to the High
:18:46. > :18:49.Court to have that inquest. Yes, because we were just saying, as
:18:49. > :18:53.Trevor Hicks was just saying, that police officers who have put in,
:18:53. > :18:57.not just police officers, they put damning reporting of other police
:18:57. > :19:02.behaviour, and the general at moss stpoor in the day, they didn't --
:19:02. > :19:05.atmosphere in the day, they didn't come forward and say we said this
:19:05. > :19:09.all this time ago, we need to feel that police officers feel able to
:19:09. > :19:13.come forward and positive about that? What has happened is totally
:19:13. > :19:16.unacceptable, it is incredible that such a thing happen. Now we know we
:19:16. > :19:22.have to pursue it further, find out who is responsible, have a new
:19:22. > :19:28.inquest, so the full truth can now come out. You were also there on
:19:28. > :19:33.that day, Peter Hooton, you have been part of this long campaign.
:19:33. > :19:36.How far down the road do you feel we are, is this just the start of a
:19:36. > :19:41.proper investigation? Let's hope it is the start of a proper
:19:41. > :19:46.investigation. I mean, obviously the 3.15 cut-off time is very
:19:46. > :19:49.important. Can you explain the 3.15 cut-off time? That is when the
:19:49. > :19:54.coroner said that everyone would have received injuries which they
:19:54. > :19:57.would have died from, or they were already dead. So that's a very
:19:57. > :20:02.important point. I have just been talking to Andy Burnham about it,
:20:02. > :20:05.and he hopes that the Attorney General will look at that and apply
:20:05. > :20:09.to the High Court, it is a very important point that is done.
:20:09. > :20:12.Liverpool fans have always known the truth from 1989, we have always
:20:12. > :20:16.known the truth, thank God the world knows the truth now. It has
:20:16. > :20:19.been a long, hard campaign, we have had a lot of support from a lot of
:20:19. > :20:24.people from all around the world, especially from the people of
:20:24. > :20:27.Liverpool, both reds and blues, it has been absolutely remarkable.
:20:28. > :20:36.Andy Burnham talked about that today. We have in front of us the
:20:36. > :20:41.original Sun, The "The Truth", which was obviously a pack of lies,
:20:41. > :20:46.then we have tomorrow morning's front page.
:20:46. > :20:49.The Sun now says they are profoundly sorry for false reports?
:20:49. > :20:53.Of course they will be, obviously the report is so damning. I think
:20:53. > :20:57.even people who thought they knew the truth about Hillsborough were
:20:57. > :21:02.even shocked by the scale of the revelations today. Everyone was so
:21:02. > :21:08.emotional in the Cathedral today, we couldn't believe the actual
:21:08. > :21:17.extent of the cover-up and the collision and the lies at the top
:21:17. > :21:23.level. -- collusion and the lies at the top live. The Attorney General
:21:23. > :21:30.has been directed by David Cameron to look very carefully, presumably
:21:30. > :21:34.the accidental deaths can't stand? It makes an absolute mockery of the
:21:34. > :21:37.3.15 cut-off. One of the shocking things for the likes of myself, and,
:21:37. > :21:40.again, the police weren't the only ones to have gone through a
:21:40. > :21:47.wholesale operation of altering statements. But a lot of the
:21:47. > :21:50.evidence that the panel put before us today, relating to the emergency
:21:50. > :21:56.response from the ambulance and medical services, we knew nothing
:21:56. > :21:59.about. We were totally shocked when they stated categorically, and they
:21:59. > :22:04.have documentary evidence, including timings that go well
:22:04. > :22:09.beyond 3.15, and this highlights, yet again, this deliberate attempt,
:22:09. > :22:13.including the coroner, on this occasion, where they were trying to
:22:13. > :22:17.rewrite Taylor, and basically, it is just ridiculous. Do you think it
:22:17. > :22:22.would be a crime if there weren't charges brought? Well, we have a
:22:22. > :22:27.lot of work to do before we can get to that stage. But, one of the
:22:27. > :22:32.things going back to the police smear campaign, I understand it is
:22:32. > :22:37.a criminal activity to use the police computer, there were
:22:37. > :22:40.apparently looking into the records to see if even some of the children
:22:40. > :22:45.had a criminal record, and the only reason for doing that, according to
:22:45. > :22:50.the panel's report, was to gain more information for the smear
:22:50. > :22:52.campaign. That's a criminal activity, it has taken place, and
:22:52. > :22:55.there is documentary evidence. Again, I would say to the Chief
:22:55. > :22:59.Constable, what is he going to do about his officers who were
:22:59. > :23:02.involved in that? I think that is a question direct to you, Chief
:23:02. > :23:05.Constable? My position is very simple and straight forward, which
:23:05. > :23:09.is if people have broken the law, then they should be prosecuted. It
:23:09. > :23:13.doesn't make any difference if they are a police officer or anybody
:23:13. > :23:15.else. Will you be looking, does it look to you, you will be looking
:23:15. > :23:19.presumably of the documentary evidence, does it looks a if they
:23:19. > :23:22.broke the law? On the face of it, yes. It looks like there are very
:23:22. > :23:26.serious questions to answer. Will you be suspending, if there is any
:23:26. > :23:30.serving officers, will you be suspending them? I'm not prepared
:23:30. > :23:34.to go into that at this stage, but what I will say, is we will treat
:23:34. > :23:39.this with the utmost seriousness, if people have serious questions to
:23:39. > :23:43.answer, we will act appropriately. Looking as a Liverpool MP, and I
:23:43. > :23:48.want to ask others about this as well, what do you think the
:23:48. > :23:52.atmosphere is in Liverpool, and has been, do you think this has been a
:23:52. > :23:55.defining feature of Liverpool for the last 23 years? This is dae
:23:55. > :24:02.fining moment. I think today -- a defining moment. I think today has
:24:02. > :24:05.brought a number of emotions, relief, that at long last what
:24:05. > :24:10.people believed to be the case has now been revealed to the world.
:24:10. > :24:12.Anger that it took so long, and deep distress at hearing those
:24:12. > :24:17.terrible reports, the information revealed by the work of the bishop
:24:17. > :24:22.and the panel, and what happened to individual people. Absolute horror
:24:22. > :24:27.at the scale of the organised conspiracy to blame the fans for
:24:27. > :24:31.their own deaths. So, I think it is a mixture of emotions. Nothing can
:24:31. > :24:35.bring back those who have died, but people can try to seek some sort of
:24:35. > :24:39.Jews at this, that is why a new inquest is so essential. There
:24:39. > :24:47.should be further investigations to identify those responsible for the
:24:47. > :24:54.dreadful acts that have now been releeld. Peter Hooton, tell me what
:24:54. > :24:58.you think this has contributed toe the idea of the city. You said good
:24:58. > :25:03.because Everton and Liverpool fans coming together, has it had a big
:25:03. > :25:09.impact on the city? The city has come together because of this. We
:25:09. > :25:13.were on tour with the Stone Roses in the summer and others from Cast,
:25:13. > :25:16.we have been on tour, taking the message of justice all around
:25:16. > :25:21.Europe. This is not a football tragedy, people always said that to
:25:21. > :25:25.me, this is a human tragedy, the spirit we have seen, obviously
:25:25. > :25:30.Liverpool showed a lot of spirit, but we have had a lot of help from
:25:30. > :25:33.people all around the world. This is a collective campaign. Everyone
:25:33. > :25:40.should be congratulated over the campaign, and not giving up. We did
:25:40. > :25:48.have our hard times, we did have times when we thought we are not
:25:48. > :25:52.getting anywhere, it was began vanised in the release of the 20th
:25:52. > :25:57.century Fields of Anfield, and the publicity it generated, with the
:25:57. > :26:01.crowd of over 35,000 at the memorial, unprecedented. Finally,
:26:01. > :26:05.Trevor Hicks, after today presumably as the support group
:26:05. > :26:10.regroups and plans your next move? We don't need to regroup, we have
:26:10. > :26:17.never ungrouped. I just mean after today? It is OK Kirsty, I'm not
:26:17. > :26:20.trying to be pedantic. We obviously have a lot of work to do, we have
:26:20. > :26:27.400,000 documents to wade through. Even reading the panel's report
:26:27. > :26:31.will take us some time. We are already moving on some of this, we
:26:31. > :26:38.have two eminent lawyers, they will take the long-term look. But, yeah,
:26:38. > :26:41.we will do that. If I come back to David Cameron's statement, he said
:26:41. > :26:46.categorically that the state had let us down. We will give the state
:26:46. > :26:50.the opportunity to put that right. But if it looks as though they are
:26:50. > :26:53.not going to do that, we will do as we have done it before, we will
:26:53. > :26:57.take it out of their hands. Thank you very much.
:26:57. > :27:02.The future for Libya is one of the great success stories of the Arab
:27:02. > :27:07.Spring, and has now been cast into doubt, as Christopher Stephens, the
:27:07. > :27:13.bams dor to Libya, and three embassy staff, were killed in an
:27:13. > :27:17.attack in Benghazi last night. Some local residents said Islamist
:27:17. > :27:23.gunmen involved in the attack were blaming America because of a film
:27:23. > :27:27.on YouTube they said insulted the Prophet Muhammad. Looters were said
:27:27. > :27:30.to be leaving the scene carrying office furniture and equipment. It
:27:30. > :27:35.has done little to quell the instable security situation after
:27:35. > :27:40.Gadaffi. US President, Barack Obama, branded the killing an outrageous
:27:40. > :27:44.attack, and ordered increased security at US diplomatic posts
:27:44. > :27:48.worldwide. The United States condemns in the strongest terms,
:27:48. > :27:53.this outrageous and shocking attack. We are working with the Government
:27:53. > :27:55.of Libya to secure our diplomats. I have also directed my
:27:55. > :27:59.administration to increase security at diplomatic posts around the
:27:59. > :28:07.world. Make no mistake, we will work with the Libyan Government to
:28:07. > :28:11.bring, to justice, the killers who attacked our people. What is the
:28:11. > :28:15.future for the American diplomatic mission in Libya. Our diplomatic
:28:15. > :28:20.correspondent is in Washington. First of all, what do we know about
:28:20. > :28:25.this attack, and who was behind it? Well, essentially, there were
:28:25. > :28:34.protests in both Cairo, the capital of Egypt, and in Libya, Benghazi,
:28:34. > :28:38.the second city of Libya, yesterday. Apparently, Salafi, a militant
:28:38. > :28:42.Islamic station had been doing some programme material about this film,
:28:42. > :28:45.defaming Islam, and this whipped up the protesters. This morning people
:28:45. > :28:49.awoke in Washington to a real bombshell, which was that the
:28:49. > :28:53.ambassador and three other people had been killed. Apparently trying
:28:53. > :29:00.to rescue staff in that Benghazi consulate. They were killed by fire,
:29:00. > :29:03.it wasn't clear actual fire or gunfire. Suddenly it became a huge
:29:03. > :29:06.story. Whatever the anti- Americanism in the world, it is the
:29:06. > :29:10.best part of 33 years since an American ambassador was actually
:29:11. > :29:15.killed in the line of duty. Suddenly it became a big issue.
:29:15. > :29:20.Today there has been speculation here that this protest may have
:29:20. > :29:24.provided a cover for militant groups, being called Ansar al-
:29:24. > :29:27.Sharia by some people, to stage a deliberate armed attack on the
:29:27. > :29:33.Benghazi facility, obviously on the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.
:29:33. > :29:36.What is the reaction to that in the US? There has been a very big
:29:36. > :29:42.political reaction here. It has impacted on the presidential
:29:42. > :29:46.election campaign. Governor Mitt Romney, the challenger, yesterday
:29:46. > :29:51.spoke out, attacking what he has characterised as a mealy-mouthed
:29:51. > :29:56.response to the initial protest, from the US embassy in Cairo.
:29:56. > :30:01.Obviously since everyone went to bed last night and woke up this
:30:01. > :30:06.morning, it was clear it was a much more serious thing than thought.
:30:06. > :30:10.The governor himself, Mitt Romney, came under attack from the Obama
:30:10. > :30:17.campaign, the President has described him as shooting first and
:30:17. > :30:21.taking aim later. Saying he flew off on the handle, criticising the
:30:21. > :30:24.administration, and trying to condemn anti-Islamic sentiment,
:30:24. > :30:28.when its embassy had been attacked in Cairo and should have taken a
:30:28. > :30:33.more robust line, that was the Romney approach. Now he appears to
:30:33. > :30:39.be in some political difficulty over it. He says he's sticking to
:30:39. > :30:41.his line, that is part of his general critque of President
:30:41. > :30:46.Obama's policies, he has been too supine.
:30:46. > :30:49.The removal of Saddam Hussein was supposed to mean the end of brutal
:30:49. > :30:52.repression and the persecution of his own people, and yet, a
:30:52. > :30:56.Newsnight investigation has learned that in today's Iraq, if you are
:30:56. > :31:02.gay, there is every possibility you will be targeted, beaten up and
:31:02. > :31:07.murdered at the hands of the Iraqi police. Numbers are difficult to
:31:07. > :31:09.verify, but the United Nations confirmed it is extremely concerned.
:31:09. > :31:19.Despite homosexuality being technically legal in Iraq, the
:31:19. > :31:32.
:31:32. > :31:37.Government appears happy to turn a blind eye to the killings.
:31:37. > :31:43.The list first appeared in the streets of Sadr City, "in the name
:31:43. > :31:48.of God the merciful, the forewarned are forearmed". They gave names and
:31:48. > :31:54.addresses of the shameless, and the immoral. By 2009 the witch-hunt had
:31:54. > :32:00.begun. We had cases where heads were cut
:32:00. > :32:04.off the bodies and stuffed into stomachs, or heads bashed with
:32:04. > :32:10.concrete block, or metal rods drilled through skulls. They think
:32:10. > :32:15.that by killing them they are cleansing the society. This is a
:32:15. > :32:21.story of modern-day Iraq, where young men and women are killed for
:32:22. > :32:26.being gay. A lot his changed in Baghdad since I was last year two
:32:26. > :32:32.years ago. The American troops are now gone. Explosions, still happen,
:32:32. > :32:36.but they are a lot more rare. While this is still a very dangerous city,
:32:37. > :32:42.life here out in the streets does feel a lot more normal. But what
:32:42. > :32:50.has also changed is that, for one group of people, Baghdad today is
:32:50. > :32:57.more dangerous than ever before. These days it is the clothes or
:32:57. > :33:00.your haircut that could determine whether you live or die in Baghdad.
:33:00. > :33:04.The anti-gay campaign by militia groups in Baghdad has been well
:33:04. > :33:07.documented. But the evidence we have uncovered, shows that the
:33:07. > :33:14.country's western-backed Government, is complicit in the deadly
:33:14. > :33:17.persecution of gays in Iraq. It is here, in Sadr City, one of the most
:33:17. > :33:23.conservative, most volatile districts of Baghdad, that the
:33:23. > :33:27.campaign against gays first began. In 2009 Human Rights Watch said
:33:27. > :33:34.dozens, possibly hundreds of gays in Iraq were being killed. Some, by
:33:34. > :33:39.their own families, but most, by Shi'ite militia men. The report,
:33:39. > :33:46.included descriptions of horrific torture practices. One way to kill,
:33:46. > :33:53.it said, was to glue shut a victim's an news, and force feed
:33:53. > :33:57.him laxatives. Mutilated bodies of gay men were often discovered in
:33:57. > :34:02.rubbish dump. But these days, it is the endless police and military
:34:02. > :34:08.checkpoints, all around Baghdad, that gay men say pose the greatest
:34:09. > :34:12.threat to them. It is not militia men that these people are hiding
:34:12. > :34:18.from, it is the police. They arrived at the safe house a few
:34:18. > :34:23.days ago, after police raided their old flat. The two were out, but
:34:23. > :34:29.their roomate had been arrested. Their new roomate, Ahmed, has been
:34:29. > :34:35.here for two months now. Ever since his own family threatened to kill
:34:35. > :34:42.him. I am so tired, so sad, I have no freedom. I really wish we could
:34:42. > :34:47.show you their faces, Ahmed has got big, dark, worried eyes on his thin
:34:47. > :34:53.face. Nancy is really pretty, and I would have never guessed that she
:34:53. > :34:58.was born male. And Alu has got this very trendy haircut, which would be
:34:58. > :35:04.completely normal in the west, but here in Iraq, this sort of hair
:35:04. > :35:09.could get you killed. TRANSLATION: The threat is bigger than before,
:35:09. > :35:13.now it is not only the militia, it is the Government going after us.
:35:13. > :35:16.TRANSLATION: I can't tell you how many times I have been raped at
:35:16. > :35:22.checkpoints, with the police it is countless. The worst incident was
:35:22. > :35:25.at a checkpoint in the street, they asked me for my ID, then asked me
:35:26. > :35:31.to get out of the car, they put me against the blast wall, nine of
:35:31. > :35:35.them raped me. The stories of rape, by the same
:35:35. > :35:40.people who oppose homosexuality, are mind-boggling. But it is also a
:35:40. > :35:46.reflection of the way that men and women in this conservative society
:35:46. > :35:52.relate to each other. The man who is raped, which is considered like
:35:52. > :35:57.the female part of a gay relationship, that is the man to be
:35:57. > :36:03.killed. Not the man who is raping, not the rapist. Although both are
:36:03. > :36:10.supposed to be in a homosexual relationship, but still, the idea
:36:10. > :36:14.is that the masculine part of the relationship, is a hero.
:36:14. > :36:18.Ironically, it was under Saddam Hussein that gays in Iraq enjoyed
:36:18. > :36:22.the most freedom. As the humiliation of the US-led
:36:22. > :36:26.occupation gave rise to more radical, more conservative groups,
:36:26. > :36:34.tolerance, especially towards anything perceived as western,
:36:34. > :36:38.became increasingly scarce. Ask anyone in the streets of
:36:38. > :36:43.Baghdad, and they will give you a long list of reasons, cultural and
:36:43. > :36:47.religious, as to why homosexuality is not accepted here. But what's
:36:47. > :36:53.happening in Iraq goes far beyond this stigma and homophobia that
:36:53. > :36:56.exists everywhere in the Middle East. Here, there is very clear
:36:56. > :37:05.evidence of systematic and organised persecution of people who
:37:05. > :37:09.are believed to be gay. This man in mourning, a former
:37:10. > :37:15.police employee, six weeks ago he came to work to find his boyfriend
:37:15. > :37:19.in a pretrial detention cell. There was no official arrest warrant, and
:37:19. > :37:23.there was nothing he could do to help. TRANSLATION: Being gay is not
:37:23. > :37:29.illegal in Iraq, it is not a crime. But he was told he was arrested
:37:29. > :37:32.because he was gay. They call gays "puppies", they would beat him,
:37:32. > :37:37.saying the puppies are destroying the country, and that they must rid
:37:37. > :37:46.the country of them, and they must kill them all. He was in the police
:37:46. > :37:51.station for a week. He died a week -- after a week, a day after he
:37:51. > :37:54.visited him. TRANSLATION: I was so upset, I lost control, I had a
:37:54. > :37:59.fight with the guards, I said why did you kill my lover. They said,
:37:59. > :38:02.since you are like him, you should be dead too.
:38:02. > :38:06.His boyfriend received the first threats in February, around the
:38:06. > :38:12.same time when the Iraqi media reported that dozens of young men
:38:12. > :38:17.were being targeted in Baghdad. They called them Emos, short for
:38:17. > :38:24."emotionals", in Iraq they are often associated with gays. In
:38:24. > :38:29.response the Iraq Interior Ministry released a response, saying the
:38:29. > :38:32.Emos phenomenon was Satanic and had to be eradicated. 12 deaths were
:38:32. > :38:36.then confirmed, this boy was among them, the UN believes the number
:38:36. > :38:39.was much higher. One local organisation in Baghdad, which
:38:39. > :38:48.monitors the events, believes that the Iraqi political establishment
:38:48. > :38:52.was behind the killings. They put guards in front of the, on the
:38:52. > :38:57.gateways of universities, the guards, these policemen, began to
:38:57. > :39:04.threaten the young men that, if they do not cut their hair short,
:39:04. > :39:10.if they do not dress in a respectable way, "respectable",
:39:10. > :39:15.that they, the policemen cannot guarantee the safety of the young
:39:16. > :39:24.men. So it was another way of the Government to tell all the young
:39:24. > :39:33.people, if you do not submit to a traditionalwear, and to a
:39:33. > :39:38.religiously accepted hairstyle and appearance, you will be killed.
:39:38. > :39:42.With so much fear, loathing and secrecy, it is difficult to
:39:42. > :39:52.establish the exact level of the Government's involvement in the
:39:52. > :39:54.
:39:54. > :39:58.anti-gay campaign. But the accounts of 17 gay men interviewed for this
:39:58. > :40:03.film are consistent. All said the Interior Ministry statement spark
:40:03. > :40:10.add new wave of violence. All have had friends or boyfriends killed,
:40:10. > :40:14.all said arrests were still happening.
:40:14. > :40:17.The Interior Ministry ignored our numerous requests for comment. The
:40:17. > :40:22.Ministry of Human Rights said that it couldn't help gay people,
:40:23. > :40:28.because they were not considered a minority in Iraq. I went to see Ali
:40:28. > :40:32.al-Dabbagh, who speaks on behalf of Iraq's Prime Minister, Nour al-
:40:32. > :40:37.Maliki. International organisations and independently we have seen
:40:37. > :40:42.evidence that homosexuals have suffered a great deal in the hands
:40:43. > :40:47.of the Iraqi police and the army? This country got a different habit
:40:47. > :40:53.and customs, which look to the homosexual in different way, which
:40:53. > :40:57.look to them in the west. We are talking about systematic and quite
:40:57. > :41:02.organised persecution and killings of gay men and women, what is the
:41:02. > :41:08.Iraqi Government doing to stop that? Definitely we stop it already,
:41:08. > :41:12.we don't have now any cases which are violent. We don't have that big
:41:12. > :41:16.number of homosexuals and gays, the gays should respect the behaviour
:41:16. > :41:21.and the moral values of the others, in order to be respected. This is
:41:21. > :41:26.bait like telling a black person not to be black? No, that is nature,
:41:26. > :41:31.by nature he's a black. What's homosexuality? It is not by nature,
:41:31. > :41:34.it is a behaviour. Ali al-Dabbagh also told me if there were any
:41:34. > :41:38.policemen violating human rights, they were acting as individuals.
:41:38. > :41:45.And that they were likely to be militia men who have infiltrated
:41:45. > :41:49.the police or the army. Not a single politician or public
:41:49. > :41:54.figure in Iraq has stootd up to stop the kill -- stood up to stop
:41:54. > :41:59.the killings. Activists say up to 1,000 gays have been murdered in
:41:59. > :42:05.Iraq since 2004, most of them in recent years. A drop in the ocean
:42:05. > :42:11.of tens of thousands of deaths. But, here is why, some believe, these
:42:11. > :42:17.targeted killings are destroying the very promise of a free Iraq.
:42:17. > :42:22.you live in a community where one person does not feel safe, they
:42:22. > :42:26.will kill him, when they finish him, they will turn to the second person,
:42:26. > :42:33.you stay quiet, the third person, they will come then, then they will
:42:33. > :42:39.kill you, and nobody will speak. If we stay quiet about the killing of
:42:39. > :42:43.the gay person, the women will be killed, the other marginalised will
:42:43. > :42:52.be killed, other minorities will be killed, and none of us will be
:42:52. > :42:57.around. It's like we don't exist, Nancy,
:42:57. > :43:04.said to me. The Government doesn't want them to
:43:04. > :43:14.exist. It won't deliver them from those who think that they deserve
:43:14. > :43:14.
:43:14. > :43:20.to die. This morning Germany's highest court gave the green light
:43:20. > :43:24.for the country to ratify the ESM, Europe's new 500 billion euro bail
:43:24. > :43:27.out fund, raising hopes that the eurozone might be moving towards a
:43:27. > :43:32.resolution of the three-year debt crisis. Thousands of petitioners
:43:32. > :43:34.had appealed to the Supreme Court, claiming that a permanent bail out
:43:34. > :43:39.fund breached Germany's constitution, so will this decision
:43:39. > :43:42.have an immediate impact around the eurozone. I have been hearing, from
:43:42. > :43:46.the German Deputy Finance Minister, Steffen Kampeter, and asked him if
:43:46. > :43:51.there was ever any doubt over the decision, given the court had never
:43:51. > :43:55.ruled against the Government before? You can never be sure in
:43:55. > :43:59.front of the constitutional call, I appreciate the decision, because it
:43:59. > :44:03.makes clear that our Government position is in line with the German
:44:03. > :44:06.constitution. The clear message out of Germany to Europe, is the
:44:07. > :44:10.European stablisation mechanism is able to start now. The courts said
:44:10. > :44:18.the Government would have to vote on any extension to the bail out,
:44:18. > :44:22.do you think that will placate the German people? Germany is profiting
:44:23. > :44:26.politically and economically out of the European integration. It is the
:44:26. > :44:29.most profitable nation over the last decade. Therefore, it is my
:44:29. > :44:33.understanding that Germany can't just take something out of the
:44:33. > :44:37.European integration, but sometimes has to invest. Do you think today's
:44:37. > :44:43.decision has made it easier or tougher for Germany to bail out
:44:43. > :44:48.vulnerable countries? I see it as the decision of the constitutional
:44:48. > :44:54.call to calm down the debate. The opponents have no longer the
:44:54. > :44:59.argument, that this movement into the stablisation mechanism is anti-
:44:59. > :45:04.constitutional. This gives everybody the chance to calm down
:45:04. > :45:09.and concentrate on the development of the ESM and other focuses,
:45:09. > :45:13.enhancing competitiveness through all over Europe, and stablising the
:45:13. > :45:17.budget. Mario Draghi of the ECB has announced there will be an
:45:17. > :45:19.unlimited buying spree of sovereign bonds, Angela Merkel backed that,
:45:19. > :45:23.but the Bundesbank was very critical. It is not good for the
:45:23. > :45:27.Chancellor to be seen to be going against the Bundesbank?
:45:27. > :45:33.understanding of the decision of the ECB is it is part of the
:45:33. > :45:37.mandate to stablise the currency by the means they have. The European
:45:37. > :45:40.policies, and the European heads of states and fiscal policies have to
:45:40. > :45:45.do what is their job, that means we are not working in the field of
:45:45. > :45:47.monetary policies, we are working on the field of stablising our
:45:47. > :45:51.budget and enhancing competitiveness and growth.
:45:51. > :45:55.Everybody has to do his own job, I very much appreciate the work of
:45:55. > :46:00.the European Central Bank, but it is independent, and therefore, I
:46:00. > :46:03.won't want to further comment on it. On the question of Greece, the
:46:04. > :46:08.Greek Finance Minister has announced that Greece is going to
:46:08. > :46:13.look into just how much money is owed to them by Germany in war
:46:13. > :46:18.reparations, what do you make of that? We closed the debate on that
:46:18. > :46:22.years ago, and we won't open it again. It was said at the weekend
:46:22. > :46:31.that the problems of the eurozone might best be solved by Germany
:46:31. > :46:35.leaving, should Germany leave the eurozone? That comment was made by
:46:35. > :46:39.someone who has quite good experience from bringing currencies
:46:39. > :46:43.into trouble, as the UK knows from the 1990, I don't much appreciate
:46:43. > :46:47.his political recommendations. Our path is quite clear, we want to
:46:47. > :46:51.keep Europe strong and united. Because we are challenged by the
:46:51. > :46:56.emerging countries, we are challenged by China and the United
:46:56. > :47:01.States, and only a united Europe means the strong Europe. This is a
:47:01. > :47:08.good chance, for example, for the United Kingdom, and for Germany, as
:47:08. > :47:13.well, the more intense we go on the integrated path to Europe.
:47:13. > :47:17.Thank you very much. That's all from Newsnight tonight, we want to
:47:17. > :47:21.leave you with a piece of near history. The national media museum
:47:21. > :47:28.in Bradford will tomorrow unveil the earliest colour moving pictures
:47:28. > :47:38.ever made. Filmed in 1901 by the inventor Edward Turner, they offer
:47:38. > :48:05.
:48:05. > :48:11.a glimpse of a world we only see A chilly night tonight, means a
:48:11. > :48:15.particularly fresh start in the morning. The sunshine will lift
:48:15. > :48:19.temperatures but in the north outbreaks of cloud affecting
:48:19. > :48:23.Scotland and the eastern coast. Some showery rain to the north-east
:48:23. > :48:26.of England. In the Pennines brighter skies, a fine day for much
:48:26. > :48:30.of the Midlands and East Anglia and the south-east. A chilly start by
:48:30. > :48:33.the afternoon, 19 or 20 is possible. A bit more cloud in the afternoon
:48:33. > :48:36.across south-west England. Again, many places dry and fine. It will
:48:36. > :48:40.turn breezey later in the day. That breeze picking up in west Wales,
:48:40. > :48:44.throwing a lot more cloud here, the north coast of Wales should hang on
:48:44. > :48:49.to some bright or sunny spells, as should eastern parts of Northern
:48:49. > :48:52.Ireland, where we could reach 18 or 19. Cloudier in the west. Some
:48:52. > :48:54.light drizzley rain on the north coast of Northern Ireland.
:48:54. > :49:00.Particularly wet in western Scotlandment here the winds really
:49:00. > :49:03.picking up, getting very gusty indeed this time tomorrow. Friday
:49:03. > :49:08.promise as lot of cloud across northern Britain, and fairly strong
:49:08. > :49:12.and gusty winds, a few scattered showers here and there, focus aid
:49:12. > :49:15.cross North West Scotland. Further south many places looking dry on
:49:15. > :49:18.Friday, feeling cooler than those temperatures would suggest because