:00:11. > :00:16.Will the anti-American protests, which have ignited in countries
:00:16. > :00:19.across the Muslim world, have lasting impact on US foreign policy.
:00:19. > :00:23.Today those protests spread to Sudan, including attacks on the
:00:23. > :00:27.British and German embassies in Khartoum. Tonight the bodies of the
:00:27. > :00:32.American diplomats killed in protests in Libya arrived back at
:00:32. > :00:37.Andrews Air force Base. There is grief and anger in the
:00:37. > :00:40.United States too, and people trying to work out what this
:00:40. > :00:45.display of visceral hatred means for their policies towards the Arab
:00:45. > :00:50.world. A grotesque invasion, furious words
:00:50. > :00:54.from William and Kate, as they sue the French magazine that published
:00:54. > :00:57.the topless pictures of her, as the couple holidayed in a secluded
:00:58. > :01:01.chateau in France. TRANSLATION: These are pictures that will go
:01:01. > :01:05.around the world, that is our headline, I don't know a single
:01:05. > :01:08.celebrity magazine in the world that wouldn't have run the pictures.
:01:08. > :01:17.We will discuss what made the French publish and why the British
:01:17. > :01:21.press withheld. Good evening, the wave of protests
:01:22. > :01:25.against the amateur US film, insulting the Prophet Mohammed,
:01:25. > :01:29.spread across much of the Muslim word, with vehement anti-American
:01:29. > :01:32.and anti-western demonstrations. Some were peaceful, in countries
:01:32. > :01:38.such as Indonesia, Pakistan and Malaysia, but elsewhere, protestors
:01:38. > :01:43.went on the attack. One person was killed in Lebanon, when a KFC
:01:43. > :01:46.restaurant was burned down. Protestors in Tunisia attacked the
:01:46. > :01:51.American Embassy and set fire to an American school. The big protest
:01:51. > :01:54.was in the capital of Sudan, Khartoum, when protestors attacked
:01:54. > :02:00.German and British embassies. In Tahrir Square tonight protests are
:02:00. > :02:05.still going on. It has just been confirmed one protestor has died in
:02:05. > :02:09.clashes with police. Finally Egypt's President, Mohammed
:02:09. > :02:15.Morsi, went on television to condemn the protests after strained
:02:15. > :02:21.relations with the US. The body of the US Ambassador
:02:21. > :02:26.killed this week arrived back in the US. We will speak to our
:02:26. > :02:36.correspondent amid the protestors in Tahrir Square tonight. First
:02:36. > :02:43.
:02:43. > :02:48.Mark Urban, his report contains flash photography.
:02:48. > :02:52.It was inevitable that Friday prayers would bring angry scenes
:02:52. > :02:58.across the Arab world. With the Daneer cartoons row, and the one
:02:58. > :03:06.earlier this year about the burning of Korans at an American base, the
:03:06. > :03:11.insult to mobilise millions of believers has been shown once more.
:03:11. > :03:16.TRANSLATION: Barack Obama, I want to say, that you have not arrested
:03:16. > :03:21.him yet, how long do Muslims have to wait, he has attacked the heart
:03:21. > :03:30.of millions of Muslims. Barack Obama, we say arrest him, and hang
:03:30. > :03:35.him. In Washington, they are mourning
:03:35. > :03:39.the loss of an ambassador, and his three colleagues. Any sense that
:03:39. > :03:44.the withdrawal from Iraq, and President Obama's outreach to the
:03:44. > :03:50.Islamic world, might have soothed tensions between the culture, has
:03:50. > :03:54.been badly rocked. Inevitably, there are questions too, about the
:03:54. > :03:57.perceived gains from the Arab Spring. I think there's a normal, I
:03:57. > :04:00.think, instinctive American reaction, by the way I think it
:04:01. > :04:05.would be the reaction of any people in similar circumstances, that, you
:04:05. > :04:09.know, why don't we just let these people go off by themselves and not
:04:09. > :04:12.get involved. And, again, it's the job of American political
:04:12. > :04:16.leadership to explain why that's not possible, why we can't simply
:04:16. > :04:22.leave the Middle East, as much as many Americans would probably like
:04:22. > :04:26.to do so. The four killed at the consulate in
:04:26. > :04:31.Benghazi were returned home today. There is anger and grief here too,
:04:31. > :04:36.and it's not about a symbolic insult. Americans have grown used
:04:36. > :04:41.to flag burning and the like, but how to exert political leadership
:04:41. > :04:46.now, the Obama administration has combined promises of action to find
:04:46. > :04:55.the culprits, with calls for cool heads.
:04:55. > :04:59.We will bring to justice those who took them from us. We will stand
:04:59. > :05:04.fast against the violence on our diplomatic missions. We will
:05:04. > :05:07.continue to do everything in our power to protect Americans serving
:05:07. > :05:11.overseas, whether that means increasing security at our
:05:11. > :05:15.diplomatic posts, working with host countries, which have an obligation
:05:15. > :05:20.to provide security, and making it clear that justice will come to
:05:20. > :05:27.those who harm Americans. This work, and the men and women who risked
:05:27. > :05:37.their lives to do it, are at the heart of what makes America great
:05:37. > :05:37.
:05:37. > :05:44.and good. So we will wipe away our tears, stiffen our spines and face
:05:44. > :05:50.the future undaunted. And we will do it together. Protecting and
:05:50. > :05:54.helping one another. In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood today called off
:05:54. > :06:02.demonstrations, and the President that party propelled into office,
:06:03. > :06:06.sought to calm the situation. TRANSLATION: In Egypt we have
:06:06. > :06:11.clearly declared that we reject and condemn the killing of innocent
:06:11. > :06:14.people, and the attacks on embassies and consulates. Our duty
:06:14. > :06:19.is to defend diplomats, tourists and all foreigners who are guests
:06:19. > :06:25.in our country. So political leadership is doing its work in
:06:25. > :06:30.this difficult situation. But the question remains as to whether the
:06:30. > :06:40.uglier passions seen, either on the Arab street, or Main Street USA,
:06:40. > :06:43.can be soothed by statesmanship alone.
:06:43. > :06:48.The fact that today's violence has targeted British and German as well
:06:48. > :06:53.as American missions, suggests that the precise causes of this may have
:06:53. > :07:00.become less important. Than a general venting of anti-western
:07:00. > :07:05.feeling. When feelings cool things may return to normal, outwardly at
:07:05. > :07:08.least, but the American hunt for the perpetrators of Benghazi, and
:07:08. > :07:12.the low likelihood of prosecution for the offending film makers who
:07:12. > :07:18.seem to have started this, mean there will be plenty of scope for
:07:19. > :07:22.further tensions in the months ahead.
:07:22. > :07:25.The BBC's Middle East editor is in Egypt's Tahrir Square tonight.
:07:25. > :07:31.Jeremy, we have just heard that there is one person confirmed dead,
:07:31. > :07:34.what is actually happening in the square beyond you, just now?
:07:34. > :07:38.Tahrir Square at the moment, there is a lot, there is a sense of
:07:38. > :07:43.expectation, people are hanging around and waiting. But the cars,
:07:43. > :07:46.as can you see behind me, are moving. The action as such, the
:07:47. > :07:49.clashes, are taking place 200 yards that way, towards the American
:07:50. > :07:53.Embassy, where a big wall has been built by the security forces, to
:07:53. > :07:58.stop people getting towards it. But there, when I went to check it out
:07:58. > :08:02.about half an hour ago, there were quite a lot of people who were
:08:02. > :08:07.engaging with the police there. Who were firing teargas at them. It was
:08:07. > :08:12.quite a heavy atmosphere. But, in terms of the impetuous behind these
:08:12. > :08:17.protests, the initial impetuous being that amateur US film, do you
:08:17. > :08:22.get a sense of something bigger, or is there a general feeling that
:08:22. > :08:26.America is anti-Islamist? I think we have lost you? Thank you very
:08:26. > :08:32.much indeed. I think we had problems in Tahrir
:08:32. > :08:36.Square there. But we can go to our guests now, Ashraf El-Baroudi is
:08:36. > :08:40.President of the Egyptian Appeal Court, and the husband of Egypt's
:08:40. > :08:44.first female presidential candidate. Robert Danin was a US deputy
:08:44. > :08:47.Assistant Secretary of State until 2010. Good evening to both of you.
:08:47. > :08:51.The atmosphere that Jeremy is talking about in Tahrir Square, you
:08:52. > :08:56.were there on quite a different occasion, when there were the
:08:56. > :09:02.protests to overthrow Hosni Mubarak. How worrying are the developments
:09:03. > :09:06.of the last three days to you? I'm not that worried about the
:09:06. > :09:12.agravation of the situation concerning the US embassy. This is
:09:12. > :09:17.not the problem here, but there are some other backgrounds here. Let me
:09:17. > :09:21.summerise them for you, very quickly. First ly, in general, how
:09:21. > :09:26.does -- firstly, in general, how those young people view the United
:09:26. > :09:33.States of America in general, they see the United States of America as
:09:33. > :09:40.the friend of Israel. This long heritage has been affected very
:09:40. > :09:43.much due to the atrocities that took in Gaza and this and that.
:09:43. > :09:47.America and among the people doesn't have in the Egyptian street
:09:47. > :09:53.a very good reputation. This is one thing. The second thing is there is
:09:53. > :09:56.a party here that is the Egyptian police, because there is a huge
:09:56. > :10:01.crack between the Egyptian young people and the Egyptian police, as
:10:01. > :10:04.they have been going through police brutality for a long time. If you
:10:04. > :10:11.add to that the feeling of despair after the revolution, all this and
:10:11. > :10:17.that, that makes all the ground ready for a reaction of this sort,
:10:17. > :10:22.if I may say so. Let me tell you this, the battle going on the
:10:22. > :10:26.streets right now in Cairo, it's not against the American Embassy as
:10:26. > :10:32.much as it is against the police once again. They are throwing rocks
:10:32. > :10:36.over the police and exchanging hits here and there. So the police here
:10:36. > :10:41.is not the one that is defending the embassy, rather than being a
:10:41. > :10:45.party in itself, as usual. There has been a very sad heritage about
:10:45. > :10:48.that. It is complicated. Robert Danin, what Ashraf El-Baroudi seems
:10:48. > :10:56.to be saying is, yes, of course, the protests over the film are one
:10:56. > :11:02.thing, but this is actually a much bigger antipathy to America,
:11:02. > :11:09.looking at it from American point of view, what does that say about
:11:09. > :11:12.American foreign policy? I think we should be circumspect in
:11:12. > :11:17.universalising or drawing such broad sweeping generalisation from
:11:17. > :11:22.what has happened. Our embassy was attacked on 9/11, the wall was
:11:22. > :11:26.breached, American flag was burned, the security perimeter was
:11:26. > :11:30.abandoned by the Egyptian security forces there. We have had a
:11:30. > :11:33.security failure. We have then had a political failure in the
:11:33. > :11:37.leadership of the Egyptian Government to condemn it. It took
:11:37. > :11:41.several days for them to try to rein it in. Instead they called for
:11:42. > :11:47.further protests. So, sorry. So, in that case, do you think that what
:11:47. > :11:51.you are saying, essentially, is that Mohammed Morsi, is not playing
:11:51. > :11:58.the part of a partner to Barack Obama? Well, I think this is a
:11:58. > :12:02.moment of real testing for Mohammed Morsi. He handled it, at least in
:12:02. > :12:05.the initial period, not as the leader of a country, but as the
:12:05. > :12:08.former leader of an opposition movement. After two days of real
:12:08. > :12:13.challenges, in which the United States expressed its displeasure,
:12:13. > :12:16.both with the film, calling it disgusting and reprehensible, but
:12:16. > :12:19.clearly expressing its displeasure with the way the Egyptian
:12:19. > :12:22.authorities have mishandled this situation. I think President Morsi
:12:22. > :12:26.is now starting to take responsibility for the actions of
:12:26. > :12:31.the people under his authority. do you think there is more, you
:12:31. > :12:35.talked about the film being very clearly stated as reprehensible, is
:12:35. > :12:39.there more than can be done, either that message is not getting out to
:12:39. > :12:42.many countries in the Muslim world, or is not really about that?
:12:42. > :12:45.think there is a profound misunderstanding here. There is a
:12:46. > :12:49.film that was made in the United States, we have freedom of speech
:12:49. > :12:53.in our country. Our leaders have denounced it, but they have not
:12:53. > :12:58.taken the film off the air. I think in parts of the world where films
:12:58. > :13:03.are made. Should it be taken off the air? Sorry? Should it be taken
:13:03. > :13:08.off the air? Let me explain the phenomenon. You have a situation in
:13:08. > :13:16.which I think people in a part of the world when something broadcast,
:13:16. > :13:19.they believe this has the, mpreventure of the Government, they
:13:19. > :13:23.believe the Government has the power to take something off the air
:13:23. > :13:26.or is behind putting something on the air. That is not how it works
:13:26. > :13:29.in the United States. It is a profound misunderstanding. Our
:13:29. > :13:32.leaders in the United States have denounced the film, but they are in
:13:32. > :13:37.no position to do anything about the film. If you want tole cha eing
:13:37. > :13:41.the film or video, you can -- to challenge the film or video, you
:13:41. > :13:45.can take it to court and see if there is reason for legal recourse.
:13:45. > :13:49.That is how we moderate discourse in this country, not through
:13:49. > :13:53.violence. Ashraf El-Baroudi, looking to the future, of what an
:13:53. > :13:58.American foreign policy might look like, a lot of people in America
:13:58. > :14:01.will be saying today, especially after what happened in Libya, look,
:14:01. > :14:06.we don't want America to be the policeman of the world, we don't
:14:06. > :14:13.want America reaching out to try to create Arab Springs, we want to
:14:13. > :14:16.retrench, we don't want our people and our money going there? Let me
:14:16. > :14:20.tell you this, before I answer the question, I need as a start to say
:14:20. > :14:24.that, of course, it is the responsibility of the Egyptian
:14:24. > :14:29.authorities to protect the American missions. But if we are talking
:14:30. > :14:36.about the freedom of speech here, I don't think, at all, that the
:14:36. > :14:41.freedom of speech includes nailing and smearing values that are
:14:41. > :14:44.sacrosanct to people. Let me tell you this, despite the freedom of
:14:44. > :14:50.speech that I am listening to and we are talking about, I know very
:14:50. > :14:55.well that any action, or any statement can be very well
:14:55. > :14:58.interpreted as anti-semetic. This has been going and on going for a
:14:58. > :15:03.long time, we can't simply say this is again the freedom of speech, but
:15:03. > :15:07.listen to me, where are we going here? We are separating the planet,
:15:07. > :15:12.and we are spreading hatred, I don't think that the freedom of
:15:12. > :15:18.speech is a very good explanation to make fun of the beliefs of
:15:18. > :15:24.others. Co-existence means mutual respect, and this is the core of
:15:24. > :15:27.civilisation. We are right out of time.
:15:27. > :15:31.Tonight, two American gossip websites have published versions of
:15:31. > :15:34.the pictures of the Duchess of Cambridge topless, after the palace
:15:34. > :15:40.announced it would take legal action in the French courts against
:15:40. > :15:46.the publishers of the French magazine, Closer, that printed them,
:15:46. > :15:50.calling them "images of cloudless happiness", the palace said a red
:15:51. > :15:54.line has been crossed. But the editor has defended her position,
:15:54. > :15:59.and says she has pictures of the couple that are even more intimate.
:15:59. > :16:02.Today there were two very different images of the Duchess of Cambridge,
:16:02. > :16:07.depending where in the world you happened to be. In Malaysia, where
:16:07. > :16:12.she was in a mosque with her husband, on a tour on behalf of the
:16:12. > :16:17.Queen, she was demurely shrouded in white. In France, readers of the
:16:17. > :16:21.magazine, Closer, were studying images of her topless, wearing a
:16:21. > :16:26.black and white bikini bottoms and rubbing suncream on her husband's
:16:26. > :16:30.back on a holiday last week. The magazine claim the couple were
:16:30. > :16:40.visible from a nearby road. It led to public outcry and the furious
:16:40. > :16:56.
:16:56. > :17:00.That is clearly what Prince William and the palace fear, that Kate is
:17:00. > :17:05.the new Diana, and will be constantly hounded by the press.
:17:05. > :17:09.Although Diana was pretty adept at using the media when she wanted.
:17:09. > :17:12.That is presumably the reason why the couple will sue Closer magazine.
:17:12. > :17:16.How will the French courts react. The position in France will be the
:17:16. > :17:20.same as here. It is an invasion of privacy to take photographs of
:17:20. > :17:25.somebody in a private place, where they are topless or partially nude,
:17:25. > :17:29.they will win their case in France, as they would win it here.
:17:29. > :17:35.fines in France for cases like this have been pretty small, haven't
:17:35. > :17:41.they? The rough average fine, well damages in civil cases in France is
:17:41. > :17:44.about �24,000. The editor of Closer, she seemed unconcerned, hardly
:17:44. > :17:49.surprising considering the amount of publicity she has enjoyed. She
:17:49. > :17:53.claims she withheld some pictures. TRANSLATION: We took the decision
:17:53. > :17:56.to publish a certain number of the pictures. I won't hide the fact
:17:56. > :17:59.that there are more intimate pictures that exist, that we
:17:59. > :18:04.haven't published and will not publish. Other newspapers probably
:18:04. > :18:08.will choose to publish them. what are all the implication of
:18:08. > :18:14.this in Britain. We also have privacy laws, of course, but no
:18:14. > :18:19.statutory press regulation. And where Lord Leveson is finalising
:18:19. > :18:23.his recommendations on the press. The Sun printed pictures of Prince
:18:24. > :18:29.Harry maked in a Las Vegas hotel room last month. But British papers
:18:29. > :18:34.turned down pictures of topless Kate proof, say some, that Levison
:18:34. > :18:39.should continue to support self- regulation by the press. Ironic
:18:39. > :18:43.isn't it, a statutory system in France, with, in principle, strict
:18:43. > :18:47.rules, has failed to protect Kate. Here in Britain, where we have a
:18:47. > :18:52.voluntary, self-regulatory system, the British press hasn't printed
:18:52. > :18:57.the photos, self-regulatory has worked here and statutory
:18:57. > :19:01.regulation worked in France. -- hasn't worked in France. Lord
:19:01. > :19:05.Leveson take note. Once a photo is out there, it is
:19:05. > :19:12.quite likely to remain out there. And tonight, the topless Kate
:19:12. > :19:16.pictures are being shown on at least one American website.
:19:16. > :19:20.Kate Middleton is, understandably, a global celebrity, the royals may
:19:20. > :19:25.strike a deal with the British press, but it is impossible to make
:19:25. > :19:29.everyone obey the rules. If you are in the public high to such a high
:19:29. > :19:33.degree as Kate and William you have to be extremely careful. There are
:19:33. > :19:37.two separate questions, one is, should somebody in the public eye
:19:37. > :19:43.be able to sunbathe in private topless, yes, if you are going to
:19:43. > :19:50.be the future Queen of England, should you choose to do so?
:19:50. > :19:53.Probably not. Kate Middleton's picture sells papers, the papers in
:19:53. > :19:57.England will hope Lord Leveson will be impressed by the restraint shown
:19:57. > :20:02.today when he comes to make his decision in a few weeks.
:20:02. > :20:07.Agnes Poirier, the French commentator is in the Paris studio,
:20:07. > :20:16.with husband is Tom Sykes, who edits Daily Beast, and the former
:20:16. > :20:19.part of the News of the World, and under investigation by the phone
:20:19. > :20:24.hacking incident. You said, had you been offered the Harry photographs,
:20:25. > :20:31.you would have published them, if you were offered these photographs
:20:31. > :20:35.would you vn tempted? Tempts as a journalist who saw amazing pictures
:20:35. > :20:38.for less than a second, but like every other editor you would have
:20:38. > :20:44.thought you can't publish these because there is no justification.
:20:44. > :20:49.What exactly has happened here, do you think? As the day has gone on
:20:49. > :20:57.today, a lot more has come out about this. And there are, in fact,
:20:57. > :21:01.two sets of pictures. There was a set of pictures taken of Kate, and
:21:01. > :21:08.I assume William, earlier in the week, by a local newspaper. I have
:21:08. > :21:11.no idea... These were paparazzi- type shots, they were not allowed.
:21:11. > :21:17.There was no collusion with the Royal Family, they were taken in
:21:17. > :21:21.the same way? The local paper went along and grabbed some pictures,
:21:21. > :21:26.without permission. Topless? don't believe so. The point being,
:21:26. > :21:31.however, we don't know whether the topless pictures were taken before
:21:31. > :21:35.or after that, but earlier this week the palace were aware, because
:21:35. > :21:39.Fleet Street was aware, so the palace was bound to be aware, that
:21:39. > :21:44.pictures had been taken on that holiday. That doesn't, of course,
:21:44. > :21:49.justify the fact? Tom Sykes, you move in these kinds of circles,
:21:49. > :21:52.what do you think has been the impetuous for the reaction this
:21:53. > :21:57.time, this is the most vehement statement that has ever come out of
:21:57. > :22:02.the palace about the paparazzi. course, just two days ago, William
:22:02. > :22:07.was asked if he could have one superpower could he have from a
:22:07. > :22:12.child, he said "invisibility", clearly they don't have that. I
:22:12. > :22:18.think you can definitely detect the hand of William in the response. I
:22:18. > :22:22.feel that the response that they issued was inappropriately
:22:22. > :22:27.emotional, if I may couch it in those terms. Obviously they were
:22:27. > :22:30.upset. The indication of his mother's name and what happened to
:22:30. > :22:35.her? That was a very strange decision, to say this incident
:22:35. > :22:40.recalls the worst excess of the press, and the Princess Diana era,
:22:40. > :22:48.it is just not accurate. It smacks a bit of a hysterical, not really
:22:48. > :22:52.very well thought through response. It feels to me as if at that moment
:22:52. > :22:56.the royals really completely have lost control of the story. What has
:22:56. > :22:59.happened, I suppose, with talking about Diana, the tabloids would
:22:59. > :23:06.have come to, I'm sure that connection themselves. But if you
:23:06. > :23:12.look at the Mail, saying grotesque, you have a picture of Diana in a
:23:12. > :23:22.hijab and a scarf, and that picture of Kate on the tour. Saying don't
:23:22. > :23:22.
:23:22. > :23:26.make her a new Diana. The Mirror, royal outrage, "I won't let Kate
:23:26. > :23:30.suffer like my mother". You are saying it is fuelling the story,
:23:30. > :23:34.the whole connection, of course, being in France and so forth?
:23:34. > :23:38.think that fundamentally this is not really a news worthy story. If
:23:38. > :23:42.you look at the initial reactions today of people, especially on the
:23:42. > :23:47.social media sites, people were saying, come on, what's the big
:23:47. > :23:52.deal, a 30-year-old girl takes her top off while she goes sunbathing.
:23:52. > :23:56.Unfortunate loo, William's response has made this -- unfortunately
:23:56. > :24:00.William's response has made this news worthy. You are speaking from
:24:00. > :24:09.Paris, where the story was published. Are you ashamed the
:24:09. > :24:15.French have published this? Well, I'm amazed more importantly about
:24:15. > :24:22.the British reaction. Coming from a country where the tabloid culture
:24:22. > :24:28.and the invasion of privacy happens on Daily basis. It doesn't mean
:24:28. > :24:32.that the Windsors don't have any rights to sue the Closer magazine.
:24:32. > :24:38.They do. And I hope they do so and they will win their case easily,
:24:38. > :24:43.because there are laws in France protecting privacy. Let me remind
:24:43. > :24:50.you that Closer, the French version of Closer magazine, which appeared
:24:50. > :24:55.on the French market in 2005, so not so long ago, was at the time an
:24:55. > :25:02.offshoot from the British Closer. Although today they don't belong.
:25:02. > :25:06.Silvio Berlusconi now owns it? Absolutely. But the peeping Tom
:25:06. > :25:10.culture is not very familiar to the French. The French are appalled by
:25:10. > :25:14.those pictures, I'm not sure they are ashamed, though.
:25:14. > :25:18.They are not ashamed but appalled. Actually this is an expert we have
:25:18. > :25:24.given France, this peeping Tom culture, this grabbing pictures of
:25:24. > :25:28.people like Helen Mirren on the beach in her bikini, a general
:25:28. > :25:33.invasion of privacy? Nonsense. If you have ever seen French celebrity
:25:33. > :25:38.magazines, I have been reading them for 20, 30 years, it has lived off
:25:38. > :25:42.pictures of celebrities on beach. What do you say to that? On beaches
:25:42. > :25:48.because France is a sunnier country than Britain, that's why they are
:25:48. > :25:53.on the beaches. You would seem to be suggesting that actually, if
:25:53. > :25:58.this goes to court they will win, they will win any way, if it is out
:25:59. > :26:01.of court they will win. What do you say to the defence of Closer's
:26:01. > :26:05.magazine editor that she's just showing them as cloudless happy
:26:05. > :26:10.young people, and actually isn't this great, it shows the Royal
:26:10. > :26:15.Family are a functioning and in a loving relationship. You don't buy
:26:15. > :26:18.that stuff, do you? Of course not, neither do I buy anything that a
:26:18. > :26:23.British editor of a British tabloid says. They would say exactly the
:26:23. > :26:27.same thing, that is to say, being coy, saying well look at them, they
:26:27. > :26:31.are beautiful and lovely people, it's like the Sun saying we love
:26:31. > :26:33.Harry, but we think it is in the public interest of showing him in
:26:33. > :26:38.the nude. No, it is not in the public interest. It is the same
:26:38. > :26:42.thing in France or in Britain. you personally, but the tabloids
:26:42. > :26:45.justified it saying he's a member of the Armed Forces and let himself
:26:45. > :26:49.get into a very dodgy situation, this calls into question the
:26:49. > :26:54.security detail and so forth? say that and on this programme. It
:26:54. > :26:56.is the two circumstances are utterly different. What you have
:26:56. > :27:03.here is, there is no public interest justification for this.
:27:03. > :27:06.And can I just say, there is one important thing on this, France has
:27:06. > :27:11.severe privacy law, those pictures have been printed there. In Britain
:27:11. > :27:15.we don't have the same privacy law, but the press here have decided,
:27:15. > :27:19.unilaterally, they will not publish. I want to look at the Star front
:27:19. > :27:24.page, we no from the editor of Closer, who suggests she has other
:27:24. > :27:31.photos. I think the Star is jumping on, I don't think they were offered
:27:31. > :27:36.them. I'm slightly wary of this, there is new pictures. We were told
:27:36. > :27:40.throughout the Vegas thing, there is video and more pictures, if
:27:40. > :27:45.there is more why not publish them. Wouldn't that make sense of William
:27:45. > :27:48.going in hard? It could do. The other explanation, perhaps, is that
:27:48. > :27:54.they seeking to really put the frighteners on the press around the
:27:54. > :27:59.world. And to try to say, look, if you publish these, we will come
:27:59. > :28:03.after you, it is very plain to see, that as a strategy it is backfiring.
:28:03. > :28:10.Can we talk about Levison for the last amount of time we have, is
:28:10. > :28:13.this one more thing to stop the boiler for hard new privacy laws
:28:13. > :28:21.under Leveson? Even under that there can be no complaints about
:28:21. > :28:26.the British press's behaviour on this. They have abided by the PCC
:28:26. > :28:30.code, the PCC have a whole number of tests you have to pass, and it
:28:30. > :28:35.didn't work with this, and so the papers haven't published. As we
:28:35. > :28:39.have talked about, we are in a post-Leveson scenario, two American
:28:39. > :28:43.gossip website about to publish, although slightly doctored
:28:43. > :28:47.photographs. Actually, in the end will Leveson be redundant before it
:28:47. > :28:51.is publish. You work on-line? think that's really the issue, is
:28:51. > :28:56.that trying to muzzle the British press is completely, totally
:28:56. > :29:01.pointless. For 99% of people, who are going on-line, and getting
:29:01. > :29:04.their information on-line. I have seen these pictures on-line tonight.
:29:04. > :29:07.If everything is about on-line, there is going to be no privacy
:29:07. > :29:14.laws that will matter a candle in any country. It will be a free for
:29:14. > :29:20.all on-line, is that what we are heading for? I think it is a matter
:29:20. > :29:22.of principle, in France, why do French celebrity press target
:29:22. > :29:29.American or British personalities more than the French one, because
:29:29. > :29:36.the French ones are very aware of their rights and go straight, fast,
:29:36. > :29:41.and sue them. They are fined every week, perhaps the fines should be
:29:41. > :29:46.much higher, actually much higher at the same level they were 20
:29:46. > :29:49.years agoth they would not publish them. Make it financial. Thank you
:29:49. > :29:56.very much, that is all from Newsnight tonight, Jeremy is here
:29:56. > :29:59.on Monday v a great weekend, -- have a great weekend, especially if
:29:59. > :30:09.you are going on the Great North you are going on the Great North
:30:09. > :30:24.
:30:24. > :30:27.Run. Good night. The winds are eegs overnight, that
:30:27. > :30:31.will allow one or -- easing overnight, that will allow one or
:30:31. > :30:35.two fog patches to form. A chilly start in the morning, but a fine
:30:35. > :30:39.day for most place. More cloud in the west. Grey on the coast of
:30:39. > :30:42.North West England, but certainly to the east of the Pennines spells
:30:42. > :30:46.of sunshine, a sunny day or two across much of the Midlands, East
:30:46. > :30:50.Anglia and the south-east. With lighter winds than today, it will
:30:50. > :30:52.feel warmer as temperatures get into the low 20s. We will see some
:30:52. > :30:56.cloud developing across south-west England, some of the coasts here
:30:56. > :31:01.may be drab, but generally it is a dry and a bright day, as it is
:31:01. > :31:06.across much of Wales. Parts of the west coast may be predominantly
:31:06. > :31:09.overcast, we should, at least, have some sunshine. A bright and breezy
:31:09. > :31:13.day in Northern Ireland. Breezy, but not the strong winds as during
:31:13. > :31:18.the Friday. The same goes across much of Scotland, the winds lighter.
:31:18. > :31:28.Still a lot of cloud in the west, one or two showers. Temperatures on
:31:28. > :31:30.
:31:30. > :31:34.the Moray firt higher, we may get up to 20 degrees.