:00:12. > :00:20.Has the euro crisis pushed fart right to prominence across the
:00:20. > :00:24.continent. High unemployment, low self-esteem, and purist boundaries,
:00:24. > :00:27.has put revolution back on the doorstep. TRANSLATION:
:00:27. > :00:33.revolution comes when there is no bread left, then we will see shoot
:00:33. > :00:37.gts and efrgs. New CCTV of plebgate, which shows a serving police
:00:37. > :00:43.officer posing as a member of the public, and fabricated evidence
:00:43. > :00:47.against Andrew Mitchell. The winners and losers of the next
:00:47. > :00:51.round of Olympic funding, money for all the stuff we are really good at,
:00:51. > :00:57.none for the sports we need to improve. Can that be right? We will
:00:57. > :01:02.Why your photos could be worth millions to the site they are
:01:02. > :01:12.posted on. Facebook wants to change the user terms of Instagram, could
:01:12. > :01:14.
:01:14. > :01:20.every snap you share be used to make them money. Good evening. In
:01:20. > :01:28.Greece, it is The Golden Calf, in Finland it is the True Finns, in
:01:28. > :01:35.Hungary it is Jobbik. European parties of the far right, thriving
:01:35. > :01:39.on the conflict. Spain has its answer to the
:01:39. > :01:42.National Front. Growing every week. The eurocrisis has created
:01:42. > :01:45.something of a nationalist revolt, that much, perhaps, was to be
:01:46. > :01:52.anticipated. How much power do these parties really v and what do
:01:52. > :01:58.they want to achieve. Paul Mason, do you believe there is
:01:58. > :02:03.a pan-European trend at work here? In a word, no. Because we tend to
:02:03. > :02:06.talk beginerically about far right parties -- genericly about far
:02:06. > :02:12.right parties. The breakthrough at the moment was for Golde Dawn,
:02:12. > :02:16.which was different to most of them in Greece. It was violent party t
:02:16. > :02:24.had not renounced violence, it was able to score 9% in the election,
:02:24. > :02:28.and is now on 14%. We are seeing the impact to resonate across
:02:28. > :02:31.Europe, and affect the strategy of parties that have been up until now
:02:31. > :02:37.totally marginal, and the Spanish far right, marginal and split into
:02:37. > :02:47.several groups. I went to Valencia to try to catch one this group,
:02:47. > :02:50.Espana 200 as it tries to adopt the gold -- Golden Dawn strategy, in a
:02:50. > :03:00.different country which has different ways of confronting far
:03:00. > :03:05.rightism. If there is one place that thrives
:03:05. > :03:09.in a depression. It is the boxing ring.
:03:09. > :03:13.With youth unemployment at 50%, many of these young men, from the
:03:13. > :03:21.dock side area of Valencia, have no job and no chance of one. The owner
:03:21. > :03:25.of the gym, a professional boxer, trains many of them for free.
:03:25. > :03:28.TRANSLATION: I try to keep them from the streets, I would rather
:03:28. > :03:35.them here rather than mugging people or taking drugs. Here they
:03:36. > :03:41.have a sporting and healthy atmosphere, discipline and routine.
:03:41. > :03:46.But this is no ordinary boxer, he's also a member of a far right party,
:03:46. > :03:50.that aims, as Golden Dawn has done in Greece to make a political
:03:50. > :03:55.breakthrough. The party is called Espana 2000, it is recruiting 30,
:03:55. > :03:59.or 40 new members a week. Like many far right groups, it is growing
:03:59. > :04:03.because people have lost hope in mainstream politics.
:04:03. > :04:13.TRANSLATION: We have to serve the people, those who suffer hunger,
:04:13. > :04:22.those that need help. You would like a revolution? But not from the
:04:22. > :04:29.left? TRANSLATION: I want a revolution from the right, my hero
:04:29. > :04:33.is the Nazi leader Rudolf Hess. I'm a nationalist socialist. For him,
:04:33. > :04:36.the word revolution means just that. TRANSLATION: The revolution will
:04:36. > :04:42.come when there is no bread yet, then we will see shootings and
:04:42. > :04:46.everything. Of all the countries facing
:04:47. > :04:50.economic crisis, Spain is facing the worst and probably the longest.
:04:50. > :04:53.There will be mass unemployment here for a decade. But this is the
:04:53. > :04:58.one country that has never really addressed what happened in the past.
:04:58. > :05:04.In the 30s, in the 50s, under Franco's dictatorship. The problem
:05:04. > :05:07.s if you are going to try to relief the 30s, with mass unemployment,
:05:07. > :05:11.mass radicalisation, rubber bullets on the streets, you are going to
:05:11. > :05:15.want to know what actually happened. The problem for many Spanish people
:05:15. > :05:21.is they have no idea, there is no official memorial, there is no
:05:21. > :05:29.official account, there is certainly no official reckoning,
:05:29. > :05:36.with what happened. There is no memorial? No, there is hidden.
:05:36. > :05:39.shrubland on the outskirts of Valencia, I'm taken to a place
:05:39. > :05:44.where 3,200 people were shot in mass killings, by the dictatorship,
:05:44. > :05:54.after the civil war had ended. in the middle of nowhere. There is
:05:54. > :05:57.
:05:57. > :06:01.no memorial? In 1977, after the death of General Franco, Spain
:06:01. > :06:08.passed an amnesty law, preventing the investigation of crimes
:06:08. > :06:12.committed under the dictatorship. In Spain there was no
:06:12. > :06:15.deNaziification, now this big act of forgetting, some say, could have
:06:16. > :06:19.big consequences in these times. TRANSLATION: There is a big danger,
:06:19. > :06:22.when there are people in the Government who have not distanced
:06:22. > :06:27.themselves from Franco, how do you know when the crisis hits, that
:06:27. > :06:34.they won't take off their suits, and reveal fascist ununiforms
:06:34. > :06:37.underneath. -- Fascist uniforms underneath.
:06:37. > :06:43.For now, the far right remains at the edges of mainstream politics,
:06:43. > :06:51.but the edges are getting sharp. Last year, in the industrial town
:06:51. > :06:56.of Onda, near Valencia, Espana 2000, held a torch-lit march, demanding
:06:56. > :06:59.the closure of a local mosque. Their banners say "more jobs, less
:06:59. > :07:09.immigrants", another message is clear. The police had to blockade
:07:09. > :07:10.
:07:10. > :07:15.the street to prevent demonstrators from reaching the mosque.
:07:15. > :07:21.In September 2012, the same mosque was firebombed. Somebody poured
:07:21. > :07:28.lighter fuel under the front door and set it alight. We found here
:07:28. > :07:32.the gasoline, right here. There was a fire. The front was badly damaged
:07:32. > :07:37.and needed extensive repair work. This man teaches children here, he
:07:37. > :07:40.says it was only the absence of carpet that prevented the fire from
:07:40. > :07:47.spreading. The children you teach, how did they respond to the event?
:07:47. > :07:53.They didn't like it T they can't accept this one. This is the job of
:07:53. > :08:02.crazy people. Does that make people here frightened? Are you scared of
:08:02. > :08:08.that? Yes. Espana 200 denies any involvement in the attack, the
:08:08. > :08:14.police are investigating, but have not, so far, made Anne rest.
:08:14. > :08:18.-- an arrest. Spain's economy has shrunk by 1.4% in 2012 it will do
:08:18. > :08:22.the same again in 2013. But, as one year of recession spills into the
:08:22. > :08:32.next, it is still surprising to find, openly, on the corner of an
:08:32. > :08:37.
:08:37. > :08:47.ordinary street, an organisation that is preparing for civil war.
:08:47. > :08:56.
:08:56. > :09:01.This is the leader of Espana 2000, Hugh Robertson. -- Jose Roberte.
:09:01. > :09:08.He's a lawyer, he also own as network of boxing gym, and he's the
:09:08. > :09:13.main man in the city's private security industry. That's Franco?
:09:13. > :09:20.His involvement with the far right goes back to the Franco years. It
:09:20. > :09:23.is card with Franco on the horse. "the leader"? Si. The whole set up
:09:23. > :09:27.is very similar to Golden Dawn in Greece, while attacking immigration,
:09:27. > :09:36.Europe and liberal social policies, they distribute food, advice and
:09:36. > :09:44.shelter to the victims of the slump. This man says he came here because
:09:44. > :09:51.he was made homeless by the crisis but now he shares the party's views.
:09:51. > :09:55.It's a case of politics plus paella, the party wants to slim down
:09:55. > :09:58.regional Governments, it wants import control, and Spanish-born
:09:58. > :10:02.people to have priority in social services over migrants.
:10:02. > :10:10.It is building a small base in local councils, in areas where
:10:10. > :10:18.immigration is a key issue. After your march against the mosque,
:10:18. > :10:21.the bossk was bombed, do you regret that happened? TRANSLATION: We are,
:10:21. > :10:24.of course, against the burning of the mosque. But if someone, whether
:10:24. > :10:32.they are party member, or someone from the neighbourhood, privately
:10:32. > :10:37.does that, we are not responsible. I didn't say you were responsible,
:10:37. > :10:40.I ask you do you regret that somebody firebombed the mosque?
:10:40. > :10:44.TRANSLATION: We don't speak for others, it is not our business. The
:10:44. > :10:49.person who did it must regret T it would be absurd for someone who
:10:49. > :10:53.didn't do it to regret it. I skds him, with Spain's history -- I
:10:53. > :11:01.asked him, with Spain's history with facisim, wasn't the party
:11:01. > :11:06.playing with fire? TRANSLATION: Playing with fire? Look around you,
:11:06. > :11:16.people are leaping from their balance niece. They can't feed
:11:16. > :11:19.
:11:19. > :11:23.their children -- Balconies, they can't feed their children. We could
:11:23. > :11:29.easily end up with social revolt. How far away do you think you are
:11:29. > :11:32.from that moment? TRANSLATION: will use all democratic ways, if
:11:32. > :11:39.the situation becomes extreme, it will be necessary to take to the
:11:39. > :11:43.streets and use force. When people are leaping from their balconies,
:11:43. > :11:50.you can't ask them to wait for elections. It is a clear statement
:11:50. > :11:57.of intent. This is a party which, in the classic far right mould,
:11:57. > :12:01.intends to deploy folks on the streets. But for now, it brings
:12:01. > :12:05.activists, like the boxer, and those who have just come for the
:12:05. > :12:09.paella. So far, even despite a year and a
:12:09. > :12:12.bit of massive protests, the institutions in Spain have held
:12:12. > :12:15.together. If they don't hold together, it is very clear there
:12:15. > :12:24.are people ready to step in and do what the right in Spain has done
:12:24. > :12:32.before. At a cemetery in Valencia, are the
:12:32. > :12:37.mass graves of the victims of the fascist years. 53 bodies lie
:12:38. > :12:46.beneath just this gravestone. Their faces and how they died added only
:12:46. > :12:49.after Franco had gone. As the economic crisis deepens, old wounds
:12:49. > :12:55.are reopening. Spain, for all its determination to forget, is no
:12:55. > :12:59.different. I'm joined by Matthew Goodwin,
:12:59. > :13:03.associate Professor at Nottingham University, an expert on the far
:13:03. > :13:07.right. And the head of the Spanish socialist delegation at the
:13:07. > :13:10.European Parliament, and from Madrid by the political analyst,
:13:10. > :13:16.Miguel-Anxo Murado. Thanks to you all.
:13:16. > :13:25.Let's pick up with Spain. The fascist past is very, very recent
:13:25. > :13:32.there, when you look at a group like Espana 2000, though worried
:13:32. > :13:40.are you? I'm worried about a crisis, this is a side effect of the crisis
:13:40. > :13:47.s the crisis that brought about not only jingoism, a nationalism
:13:47. > :13:50.feeling, but an impoverish ment of the working-class. That is the
:13:50. > :13:56.ground where the fascist movement tried to take advantage, and the
:13:56. > :14:03.window of opportunity to show bigger than they actually are. That
:14:03. > :14:07.is not my major concern. My major concern is that, overall, the
:14:07. > :14:12.discrediting of politics is demoralising so many. That these
:14:12. > :14:15.fascist movements have a real chance to show up in parliament and
:14:15. > :14:18.elected representative houses all across Europe. It has happened to
:14:18. > :14:21.be the case of the European Parliament, it is also the case of
:14:22. > :14:25.a number of parliament houses all across Europe. When times are tough,
:14:25. > :14:29.when the economics are tough, why aren't they turning to your party,
:14:29. > :14:34.why aren't they looking for socialists to pull them out of this,
:14:34. > :14:38.why would they turn to the far right, then? They turn to the far
:14:38. > :14:47.right because they are taking the pain. They are in despair. They
:14:47. > :14:52.have been made hopeless. So many have been made angry, they are
:14:52. > :14:57.trying to scapegoat all around the place. Let's scapegoat Muslims,
:14:57. > :15:03.let's scapegoat Roma people and their communities. Let's scapegoat
:15:03. > :15:07.southern European, Portuguese, Italian, Spaniards, which are
:15:07. > :15:10.depicted as lazy, or non- competitive or non-productive
:15:10. > :15:13.enough. Scapegoating all around the place. It is the ground where all
:15:13. > :15:17.these extreme far right movements are taking advantage. The major
:15:18. > :15:23.concern is that we are not going to defeat it by taking the banners,
:15:23. > :15:25.which is the temptation of a number of conventional, conservative
:15:26. > :15:32.parties, taking the banners of far right movements.
:15:32. > :15:35.I think I understand that. When you hear that, "taking the
:15:35. > :15:40.banners", in other words not trying to move towards their ground S that
:15:40. > :15:46.the right way of reading this situation --. Is that the right way
:15:46. > :15:49.of reading this situation? I'm not sure, I share the concern but not
:15:49. > :15:54.the alarm. In the case of Spain, these are really fringe groups. We
:15:54. > :15:59.are talking about groups that gather say 2,000 votes, 3,000 voit.
:15:59. > :16:06.The most successful party -- votes. The most successful party of this
:16:06. > :16:09.type, a Catlonian party, it was down by previous results. It is not
:16:09. > :16:13.an imminent threat. What is more interesting is they are not really
:16:13. > :16:21.benefiting from the crisis. They are not having their best results
:16:21. > :16:26.now. In the same vain, a driving force behind these parties is going
:16:26. > :16:30.down in Spain. Since the crisis has started. It was much bigger prior
:16:30. > :16:35.to the crisis. I guess this is a new group, as Paul says, it is one
:16:35. > :16:39.that has just started to emerge now, Matthew Goodwin, when you look at
:16:39. > :16:44.the situation across Europe, and as Paul made clear, they are very
:16:44. > :16:48.different groups, but we do see the far right emerge anything Hungary,
:16:48. > :16:53.and Greece now, where it has parliamentary presence as well. In
:16:53. > :16:59.Finland, is this just a blip caused by the economics or is it something
:16:59. > :17:02.more? I think it is more complex. Firstly, we need to get the picture
:17:02. > :17:06.in context, the movement in the piece there, actually, to my
:17:06. > :17:10.knowledge, has only one or two local councillors from over 9,000
:17:10. > :17:14.in Spain. The far right is not jeornly on the march and about to
:17:14. > :17:18.take -- generally on the march and about to take power in Europe. We
:17:18. > :17:22.have fallen into this narrative that has said economic crisis and
:17:22. > :17:26.scarcity equals extremism. If that is the case, let's look at Austria,
:17:26. > :17:30.the least unemployment rate in the eurozone, the far right is
:17:30. > :17:34.currently polling between 21-25%, and will probably join Government
:17:34. > :17:39.next year. Let's take account into the fact that the parties have been
:17:39. > :17:42.on the rise since the early 1980s. Look at Golden Dawn, a concrete
:17:42. > :17:49.example of a far right party that has taken the place of the party on
:17:49. > :17:54.the right that went before it, and has got 9% and parliamentary
:17:54. > :17:58.presence? If we read the newspapers Golden Dawn is running the country.
:17:58. > :18:02.It is still a marginal player in the Greek system, however alarming
:18:02. > :18:12.it is. If these parties are looking at Golden Dawn and saying we can
:18:12. > :18:13.
:18:13. > :18:18.emulate that, if you look at the Front National, which is what Marie
:18:18. > :18:22.Le Pen got, it is not exceptional, but it is an improvement? The far
:18:23. > :18:28.right, as a collective family of parties in Europe, has been on the
:18:28. > :18:31.go, during periods of economic stability, and growth, as well as
:18:31. > :18:34.stagnation and austerity. What is important is to ask people why they
:18:34. > :18:37.are supporting the far right. Its not because of economic threat, it
:18:38. > :18:46.is a feeling that values, national identity, and the broader national
:18:46. > :18:49.culture are threatened by diversity. If the move towards more fiscal
:18:49. > :18:57.union, more integration, this is going to be something that people
:18:57. > :19:01.feel even more intensely, that they don't control their own countries?
:19:01. > :19:11.That is one of the grounds for nationalism on the right, not the
:19:11. > :19:11.
:19:11. > :19:15.only one. Of course it is different feelings about diversity theself.
:19:15. > :19:22.That is the nature of extreme right movements in Spain. They have
:19:22. > :19:25.always hated Spanish national idea tee, Spanish linguistic identity.
:19:25. > :19:32.They have always fought against regional nationalism, now they
:19:32. > :19:36.fight against the did I picketed external enemies of the national
:19:37. > :19:40.ining at the a unity of Spain, as is the case of the called Muslim
:19:40. > :19:45.invasion and migration. Migration is not on the rise any more. It is
:19:45. > :19:51.not a problem. No press, no comments are now made about the
:19:51. > :19:59.threat of migration. But, yet, the extreme right movements are trying
:19:59. > :20:02.to depict the devil in every sign of peculiar pluralism within the
:20:02. > :20:08.Spanish social fabric. Do you buy the argument that because of
:20:08. > :20:12.Spain's failure to deal with the Franco years properly is the cause?
:20:12. > :20:17.I'm not sure. There is a misunderstanding usually with Spain
:20:17. > :20:22.with regards to these. We tend to think of Spain as a country prone
:20:22. > :20:27.to facisim, because it did have a dictatorship for such a long time.
:20:27. > :20:31.The main bit here, which is that dictatorship needed a war to impose
:20:31. > :20:39.itself, nothing to do with Germany voting in the Nazi, or Italy, not
:20:39. > :20:44.even needing to vote them. Because they were so popular. Spain did not
:20:44. > :20:47.have Just one single seat, the fascist party before the war. And
:20:48. > :20:52.one seat after Franco's dictatorship, they lost that one
:20:52. > :20:59.now and they have none now. I wouldn't make a connection between
:20:59. > :21:04.the fringe movements and far right know.S and Franco's -- Franco
:21:04. > :21:08.movements, and the far right movements. It is true that within
:21:08. > :21:13.the Conservative Party in Spain, the People's Party, there is a
:21:13. > :21:17.sector, which is nostalgic of Franco, or of the narrative of
:21:17. > :21:21.history of the Franco period. I wouldn't say they are Francoists,
:21:21. > :21:25.it is not exactly that. It is true they have difficulty in dealing
:21:25. > :21:31.with the past in Spain. And your reporter was talking about this
:21:31. > :21:37.issue. It is a serious problem. I don't think we can call it a
:21:37. > :21:46.Francoist party. Do you think we are immune to this
:21:46. > :21:49.here? Would r we haven't seen a rise of the right? We have seen a
:21:49. > :21:54.resurgence of the British National Party and the English Defence
:21:54. > :21:59.League. But the common theme across Europe is we have demand across the
:21:59. > :22:01.countries. Worries about immigration and Islam, and
:22:01. > :22:05.dissatisfaction about the way mainstream parties are performing
:22:05. > :22:09.on those issues. Do you think the parties have met that concern?
:22:09. > :22:13.was my point. The key word here is "supply". What we see in Spain is a
:22:13. > :22:21.poor supply. Parties that are not organised, not adept at mobilising
:22:21. > :22:27.that demand at elections. Thank you very much. Number Ten has said the
:22:27. > :22:30.claims that a serving police officer posed as a member of the
:22:30. > :22:32.public to fabricate an account of the Andrew Mitchell row in Downing
:22:32. > :22:39.Street are exceptionally serious. They have called for the police to
:22:39. > :22:43.get to the bottom of this as a matter of urgency. The allegations
:22:43. > :22:47.rose after Channel 4 News showed unreleased footage of Mr Mitchell
:22:47. > :22:51.from that infamous night in September. You are here to take us
:22:51. > :22:56.through a new set of regulations, that are complicated? Andrew
:22:56. > :23:05.Mitchell always denied using those very toxic words as described to
:23:06. > :23:09.him, the word "pleb", and the use of "moran" and an angry tirade
:23:09. > :23:12.against police officers, stopping him cycling through Downing Street,
:23:12. > :23:16.and forcing him through a side entrance. Two pieces of evidence
:23:16. > :23:19.that did for Andrew Mitchell, the official police log from on-duty
:23:19. > :23:24.officers at Downing Street at the time, it was clear, precise and
:23:24. > :23:28.detailed, it used the word "pleb" and a lot more. Mr Mitchell
:23:28. > :23:34.disputed this. He said had he had sworn, but only under his breath in
:23:34. > :23:39.frustration, saying "I thought you people were supposed to f-ing help
:23:39. > :23:41.us". Another piece of evidence came that did for him. It is a
:23:41. > :23:44.corroberative e-mail from maybe of the public, who had been on the
:23:44. > :23:48.other side of the gate at Downing Street, and witnessed it through
:23:48. > :23:51.the gates. This was written to a colleague of Mr Mitchell's in the
:23:51. > :23:55.whip's office. It found its way to the heart of Government. This e-
:23:55. > :23:59.mail, supposedly from a member of the public had said that the police
:23:59. > :24:02.account, or coroborated the police account, almost word for word, and
:24:02. > :24:07.also said other members of the public had seen the incident and
:24:07. > :24:11.some maybe had filmed it. Tonight there are allegations that e-mail
:24:11. > :24:15.of not from a member of the public, but a serving police officer. If
:24:15. > :24:22.true, that is explosive. Tonight, Downing Street have issued the
:24:22. > :24:26.following statement. "Any allegation that is a serving police
:24:26. > :24:29.officer posed as a member of the public and fabricated evidence
:24:29. > :24:34.against a cabinet minister are exceptionally serious. It is
:24:34. > :24:38.therefore essential that the police get to the bottom of this as a
:24:38. > :24:41.matter of urgency". This witness doesn't seem to have been there,
:24:41. > :24:46.what about the witnesses that were there? It is interesting, as you
:24:46. > :24:49.said in the introduction, Channel 4 News have got hold of the CCTV
:24:49. > :24:54.footage. This is one of the angles from inside Downing Street. There
:24:54. > :24:58.you see Mr Mitchell wheeling his bike to the side gate. Now,
:24:58. > :25:02.maddeningly and frustratingly there is no audio, we can't lip read, it
:25:02. > :25:06.is too fuzzy for that. Let's look at another angle. This time from
:25:06. > :25:10.outside the gates of Downing Street. There we are, there is the street,
:25:10. > :25:14.with a bus going past. This is what was happening at the same time
:25:14. > :25:19.outside the gates of Downing Street. As you are looking at that, let me
:25:19. > :25:23.read you the official log of what happened at the time. "There were
:25:23. > :25:28.several members of the public present, as is the norm, opposite
:25:28. > :25:34.the pedestrain gates. As we neared it, Mr Mitchell said "best you
:25:34. > :25:40.learn your F-ing place, you don't run this f-ing Government, you are
:25:40. > :25:43.just plebs, the members of the public looked shocked". Plenty of
:25:43. > :25:47.those around Westminster say that version of events doesn't
:25:47. > :25:53.correspond with the CCTV pictures we saw there.
:25:53. > :25:56.Very interesting, what happens now? We do know that one police
:25:56. > :25:59.constable in the Diplomatic Protection Group, has been arrested
:25:59. > :26:01.on suspicion of misconduct in a public office. He has been bailed
:26:01. > :26:11.to a date in January. The Metropolitan Police say their
:26:11. > :26:18.investigations continue. UK sport has been accused of
:26:18. > :26:24.reneging on a promise to rebuild sport. The national sport agencies
:26:24. > :26:30.announced that �347 million will be distributed, with the biggest
:26:30. > :26:34.medal-winning sports taking the largest slice of the pie.
:26:34. > :26:44.Olympic table tennis player, now sports writer for the times has our
:26:44. > :26:46.
:26:46. > :26:51.report on this tonight. You may be aware that Great Britain
:26:51. > :26:55.did rather well at the Olympic and Paralympic Games this summer. Team
:26:55. > :27:01.GB and Paralympics GB, each came third in the medal table,
:27:01. > :27:07.destroying traditional rivals, like Germany and Australia.
:27:07. > :27:12.But there was another, more covert battle going on at London 2012. The
:27:12. > :27:15.fight between British sports for crucial Government funding. And in
:27:15. > :27:19.that battle, there are clear winners and some huge losers.
:27:19. > :27:23.Boxing, which punched above its weight at the London games, is one
:27:24. > :27:28.of the winners. The sport was rewarded for its five
:27:28. > :27:33.medals with a 44% increase in funding. Other sports which proved
:27:33. > :27:43.their worth at 2012, also received big increase. Including rowing, top
:27:43. > :27:43.
:27:43. > :27:48.of the funding pile, with �32 million, equestrian with �18.9 bill
:27:48. > :27:53.-- �17.9 million. And track cycling with �30 million. But basketball,
:27:53. > :27:56.that didn't win any medals nothing aurblgts table tennis, nothing,
:27:56. > :28:05.handball, nothing. The sheer ruthlessness has left many reeling.
:28:05. > :28:10.But does the policy make sense. The entire logic of using public
:28:10. > :28:14.money to fund elite success, is to encourage youngsters to take up
:28:14. > :28:18.sport. How many youngsters could realistically take up rowing or
:28:18. > :28:23.sailing, even if they wanted to. What message does it send to the
:28:23. > :28:26.tens of thousands of young people involved in basketball, an
:28:26. > :28:32.accessible sport, when the national team, to which they aspire, gets
:28:32. > :28:37.nothing. What you can say for the policy, is in terms it of the
:28:37. > :28:43.specific objective of winning Olympic medals, has been a triumph.
:28:43. > :28:48.Rock bottom was 196 in Atlanta, we only won one gold medal and 36th in
:28:48. > :28:51.the medals table. We have always come 13th,th in previous Olympics.
:28:51. > :28:54.The first change was the introduction of the National
:28:54. > :28:57.Lottery which gave Government resources to sport elite sport
:28:57. > :29:02.development. The other change was an organisational one, the
:29:02. > :29:06.establishment of US Sport, with a specific brief to deliver medals
:29:06. > :29:11.for the Olympic Games. But they have not just spent money
:29:11. > :29:14.for the sake of it, they have been rather more cunning than that?
:29:14. > :29:19.competitiveness of the 100ms is intense by comparison to other
:29:19. > :29:22.sports, some events in sailing, some in cycling, the number of
:29:22. > :29:26.competitor, and you could organise the quality of the competitors is
:29:26. > :29:34.dramatically different. If you are trying to maximise your medals, you
:29:34. > :29:38.look for the easier targets. You look for the sports where the
:29:39. > :29:42.quality and quantity of competition is lower.
:29:42. > :29:47.The genius of Britain's elite sports policy is also its greatest
:29:47. > :29:51.weakness. We could spend half our GDP on football, without
:29:51. > :29:56.guarnteeing success, but with sports like sailing w few global
:29:56. > :30:01.participants and loads of medals up for grabs, the funding is potent.
:30:01. > :30:04.The problem is simple, in the cleverly-funded sports, mass
:30:04. > :30:08.participation is virtually impossible.
:30:08. > :30:15.With funding secure until 2016, Team GB has a fighting chance of
:30:15. > :30:18.winning even more medals at the Olympics in -- and Paralympics next
:30:19. > :30:24.time than at home in London. It would be the first team to achieve
:30:24. > :30:27.that feat in recent history. For kids hoping to make the stop in
:30:27. > :30:30.socially inclusive sports, like basketball and table tennis. They
:30:30. > :30:34.better think again. Grassroots money may be in place, that is not
:30:34. > :30:40.really the point. Elite funding for world class coaching and sports
:30:40. > :30:45.science, crucial for the most able youngsters to fulfil their
:30:45. > :30:48.potential, has just been obliterated.
:30:48. > :30:55.Joining me in the studio is Liz Nicholl, chief executive of UK
:30:56. > :31:01.sport, and Paul Goodman, chief executive of the UK Handball
:31:01. > :31:04.Association. One of the sports that lost out today. This is tacit
:31:04. > :31:07.indication this is about winning and medal haul, that is cold and
:31:07. > :31:11.calculated? It is all about investing in success and building
:31:11. > :31:16.on the legacy of the success in London, to ensure, in fact, as we
:31:16. > :31:19.move through London to Rio, we can aspire to do better. People thought
:31:19. > :31:23.legacy was not just about medals. They thought it was about
:31:23. > :31:28.investment in youth, socially inclusive sports. Giving people the
:31:28. > :31:32.sense they could achieve. That doesn't come into your equation at
:31:32. > :31:36.all. It is both of those things, but US sport's unique
:31:36. > :31:40.responsibility is success. We have to build a performance system
:31:40. > :31:44.sustainable that creates success after success in successive games.
:31:44. > :31:48.You write off sports like handball, volley ball, table tennis,
:31:48. > :31:51.financially they are written off? There is parallel investment going
:31:52. > :31:56.in to increase it from sport England and other Sports Council
:31:56. > :32:00.that have the remilt of developing talent. We are focusing
:32:00. > :32:05.unapologetically on delivering medals. It is absolutely
:32:05. > :32:11.unapologetic, and hard-nosed, that is what it is about? We have known
:32:11. > :32:15.for a long time, the principles of UK sports funding. But we did
:32:15. > :32:21.expect, as most members of the public did, that there would be a
:32:21. > :32:25.model in the place to build upon the good work that has been done
:32:25. > :32:29.since the London Olympics, such as sports like handball. What will
:32:29. > :32:34.happen to handball now? We will have to take stock over the next
:32:34. > :32:41.few days, and talk to those who have done a great job at the
:32:41. > :32:45.grassroots level, but I take issue on the amount of money going into
:32:45. > :32:50.handball at groos roots level, is fraction of what we have lost.
:32:50. > :32:55.is about winning medals and getting goals for Britain? We totally
:32:55. > :33:00.understand that, there is no solution in place at present to
:33:00. > :33:04.bridge the gap from talented young athletes, to become senior athletes
:33:04. > :33:08.that represent GB. What happens, what would you advise them now,
:33:08. > :33:13.would you say, get all those kids playing handball to do something
:33:13. > :33:17.more lucrative? Wient say that, I would say, sports like handball, I
:33:17. > :33:21.would say that, sports like handball, qualified because there
:33:21. > :33:25.was a host nation place. They had a fantastic opportunity to showcase
:33:25. > :33:31.their sport and drive further interest in their sport, to
:33:31. > :33:36.encourage people to participate in it. There is a fantastic
:33:36. > :33:40.opportunity. They are rubbish is that it? If we had not had the
:33:40. > :33:44.games in London in 2012 we wouldn't have funded handball, volley ball
:33:44. > :33:49.and basketball. Wuent like to see them qualify on their own --
:33:49. > :33:53.wouldn't you like to see them qualify on their own merits?
:33:53. > :33:56.want to see it through increasing participation, developing the club
:33:56. > :34:02.structure, and the talent, looking for performance I will improvement.
:34:02. > :34:05.If they come back in a few years time, have a look at us, we can do
:34:05. > :34:09.it. They are too grown up for you right now, you are the little kids
:34:09. > :34:12.that need to work harder? That is how it feels, actually,
:34:12. > :34:18.realistically, our sport is absolutely huge in the rest of
:34:18. > :34:22.Europe. Yet, for some reason, in this nation, we tend to just keep
:34:22. > :34:26.being fed a staple diet of the same sports. 400,000 people, I know they
:34:26. > :34:31.are not British, but they came and watched handball at the Olympic
:34:31. > :34:37.Games, so many people have taken up the sport since. If you are looking
:34:37. > :34:43.at it from a completely money perspective, can't you say, cycling,
:34:43. > :34:47.sailing, they will get funding from massive sponsors now, from
:34:47. > :34:51.corporate level. These are the guys that could be sharing the medal
:34:51. > :35:01.haul in eight years time? You saw the opening pictures, elite success
:35:01. > :35:04.costs a lot of money. We are happy with just elite success, it sounds
:35:04. > :35:08.like elite sport success? We are responsible for that, but
:35:09. > :35:15.underpinning that is a significant investment, about another half a
:35:15. > :35:21.billion pound investment, in developing talent by sports England
:35:21. > :35:26.only announced yesterday. Handball is in that. A lot of the sports
:35:26. > :35:31.getting the major funding are elitist, handball, basketball,
:35:31. > :35:35.these are sports for the majority of the population. The nation
:35:35. > :35:39.enjoyed fantastic success in 2012 we celebrated every medal, whatever
:35:39. > :35:42.the sport. Give up handball and do more athletics, is that the way you
:35:42. > :35:49.are going here? I don't think it will wash. We need to keep on at UK
:35:49. > :35:53.sports and others to find a solution to this, because we are
:35:53. > :35:57.second-rate nations where those team sports are concerned.
:35:57. > :36:05.Facebook is in the eye of the storm tonight, after announcing it will
:36:05. > :36:10.change users' term force the photo- sharing site Instagram. There was
:36:10. > :36:16.fury to think that pictures could be used as paid content. Instagram
:36:16. > :36:20.said it will revise the language in the terms, and photos will not
:36:20. > :36:24.accompany adverts, they will still seek ways of raising money.
:36:24. > :36:29.Subjecting the company is desperately trying to support the
:36:29. > :36:34.service it paid a billion dollars for a year ago.
:36:34. > :36:41.There was a time, EONs ago, when we used to print out photographs and
:36:41. > :36:49.store them in large binder, called albums. Nowadays photo albums are
:36:49. > :36:53.stored in outer space for all to say see. One of those free sites is
:36:53. > :37:00.Instagram, free comes at a rights. Facebook wants to get some of the
:37:00. > :37:03.money back it had when it bought it, by selling your pictures to other
:37:03. > :37:08.companies. Overnight they changed terms and conditions to allow
:37:08. > :37:12.another group or identity to display your photographs without
:37:12. > :37:17.any compensation to you. Although highly unlikely, that
:37:17. > :37:22.could have meant photos of your children appearing alongside advert
:37:22. > :37:31.force babey products. And you would get no money for it. This isn't the
:37:31. > :37:36.first time that face Boca has been taken to task over this. When you
:37:36. > :37:40.press a "like" put on for an ad on the page, you are saying you like
:37:40. > :37:50.it. I'm not saying I advertise this? I suppose when you, let's
:37:50. > :37:58.
:37:58. > :38:03.pause, that is an interesting... You're asking a profound question,
:38:03. > :38:07.what's advertising? How has the tech community reacted to the
:38:07. > :38:11.change in how photographs can be treated? It is unexpected, that's
:38:11. > :38:18.for sure, for any of these services, these cloud services that we are
:38:18. > :38:22.entrusting our personal data to. We simply don't expect that to happen.
:38:22. > :38:30.I think the fact that Instagram have made this move as quickly as
:38:30. > :38:35.they have, with such far-reaching personal consequences, is
:38:35. > :38:40.definitely ering on the side of ill-advised. Instagram users have
:38:40. > :38:44.until January 15th to delete their account in full f they no longer
:38:44. > :38:48.want their photographs sold on to advertisers, if they don't, where
:38:48. > :38:52.do they stand illegally? If the image was used without your consent,
:38:52. > :38:56.in some cases you would have rights to object. If you owned the
:38:56. > :39:00.copyright of the photograph you could stop that, or it give a
:39:00. > :39:04.misleading impression of you, some how negative. You are consenting
:39:04. > :39:06.now if you are a user to your image being used in that way. You are
:39:06. > :39:12.getting rid of that control, you are sacrificing the control you
:39:12. > :39:17.previously had. Just as free banking is not
:39:17. > :39:23.necessarily free, someone has to pay for free photo-sharing.
:39:23. > :39:27.Facebook had long since postponed monetising its one billion users
:39:27. > :39:31.worldwide, for fear it would make them uncool. Now it is a publicly
:39:31. > :39:39.listed company, the shareholders want a return on their hitherto
:39:39. > :39:43.lost-making investment. -- Lost-making investment. Tonight
:39:43. > :39:45.Instagram said the wording was confusing. Perhaps we need to think
:39:45. > :39:55.twice before uploading very personal photographs, without
:39:55. > :40:01.thinking of how and where they will be used in future.
:40:01. > :40:05.Jarard Lanier is a pie year who works for micro-- pioneer, who
:40:05. > :40:09.works for Microsoft, and interestingly, just since we have
:40:09. > :40:13.been on air, we have had this clarification, or blog, any way,
:40:13. > :40:17.from Instagram, because they have clearly worked out that this is
:40:17. > :40:20.slightly freaking people out. What do you understand they are saying
:40:20. > :40:24.now? This is a story really about three things. First of all, you can
:40:24. > :40:27.have a billion users, but it doesn't mean you are going to make
:40:27. > :40:32.money, just through the users. The second thing that is happening is
:40:32. > :40:37.we are moving over to these little devices, and the banner ad doesn't
:40:37. > :40:41.work on the mobile device. The big social networks are trying to get
:40:41. > :40:49.ways for companies to pay them to interrupt your conversation stream.
:40:49. > :40:55.They call it social commerce or tidesing, thirdly, we don't trust -
:40:55. > :40:59.- advertising. Thirdly, we don't trust Facebook, all the celebs have
:40:59. > :41:02.been saying delete your account. The founder of Instagram has said,
:41:02. > :41:06.we haven't actually changed anything, you have tried to clarify
:41:06. > :41:11.things because we are part of Facebook. Can they use the photos
:41:11. > :41:14.from January on wards or not? you put your photo on a social
:41:14. > :41:17.network, you agree to terms and conditions. Which allows them to do
:41:17. > :41:22.certain things. They need to store them on their servers, they also
:41:22. > :41:29.want f you say I like a brand, or there is a photo of you and the
:41:30. > :41:33.brand, they will now allow the brand to say "this is Emily with
:41:33. > :41:37.our burger ". Why should we be surprised this is happening? I
:41:37. > :41:45.guess this is the realisation, finally, that things do not come
:41:46. > :41:51.free? Facebook has been going back and forth with its users about this
:41:51. > :41:54.sort of thing for years. There is periodically some announcement that
:41:54. > :41:59.upsets people, and then a reaction against it. Then there will be a
:41:59. > :42:03.little bit of retreat on Facebook's part. By the way, we shouldn't
:42:03. > :42:09.single out Facebook, this is a generic quality of cloud companies
:42:09. > :42:13.these days. After a while the issue creeps back, over time the whole
:42:13. > :42:18.population of users, the whole population of the world, gets more
:42:18. > :42:22.and more used to this trade-off of getting things for free, but really
:42:23. > :42:27.not being in control any more. I think at some point it is up to
:42:27. > :42:31.us to decide whether we think this is a good bargain or not. I
:42:31. > :42:38.personally think it isn't leading to a good outcome, I prefer we have
:42:38. > :42:41.a different system. My prediction is a year from now the needle will
:42:42. > :42:45.have moved. What would be a better outcome, you would say better to be
:42:45. > :42:55.upfront. Charge people, know they are paying,
:42:55. > :42:56.
:42:56. > :43:00.and have the peace of mind? better outcome would be give people
:43:00. > :43:03.a more ready way to make a decent living through the Internet and
:43:03. > :43:06.these services. We are creating an information economy. The core of it
:43:06. > :43:14.t the information is usually not something people can make a living
:43:14. > :43:20.from. So, I mean, if we lock ahead, decades hence, when we have self-
:43:20. > :43:24.driving cars and robots exploring for oil. I don't know how much
:43:24. > :43:28.automation there will be. At some point if we decide that the
:43:28. > :43:33.information coming from ordinary people is only to be shared, but
:43:33. > :43:37.when accumulated in the giant servers it turns into giant fortune,
:43:38. > :43:41.we can't build a sustainable economy that way. Facebook need to
:43:41. > :43:50.build enough trust to make sure people are willing to send money
:43:51. > :43:54.over for things, then we can built an information economy.
:43:54. > :43:58.Mark Zuckerburg has said he wants the world to share more and thinks
:43:58. > :44:04.the world will be a better place if it does. Are we buying into that
:44:04. > :44:10.now. That we are becoming less attached to a sense of privacy?
:44:10. > :44:13.He's trying to create a culture in which, we're more and more open.
:44:13. > :44:19.For business reasons that is great for him, he has data on what we
:44:19. > :44:23.like and don't like. The value in Facebook is the ability to monetise
:44:23. > :44:26.that data. If you are trying to be king of the castle and have the
:44:27. > :44:32.dominant social network. You want to give it away until you have as
:44:32. > :44:37.many people as possible and work out a way. There is a phrase doing
:44:37. > :44:41.in the rounds of the internet "if the service is free, then you are
:44:41. > :44:47.the product". Do you think that Facebook will ever really monetise
:44:47. > :44:52.in this way? Well, it is openly a self-defeating game. If what we
:44:52. > :44:56.think the information economy is, essentially, giving stuff away for
:44:56. > :44:59.advertising. Then as information technology gets more and more
:44:59. > :45:02.advanced. There will be less and less stuff that can be paid for.
:45:02. > :45:07.There will be nothing but advertising in the economy, and the
:45:07. > :45:12.whole thing collapses. It is an absurd idea. The information
:45:12. > :45:16.economy has to be about more than advertising, or it is a path to no
:45:16. > :45:19.where we can't make advertising be the core of our civilisation. That
:45:19. > :45:21.is essentially what we are trying to do here. Fascinating to hear
:45:22. > :45:24.from both of you. Thank you very much for coming in.