:00:13. > :00:17.Honoured bit Queen, the Pope, the Royal Marines, not to mention the
:00:17. > :00:23.BBC, the paedophile who duped a nation. For over 50 years. How did
:00:23. > :00:32.Jimmy Savile abuse so many victims. Somebody during that time, maybe
:00:32. > :00:36.dozens, during that time, could have stopped him. And nobody did.
:00:36. > :00:40.He abused a dying child, and a boy as young as eight. He used hospital
:00:40. > :00:47.rooms, studios and schools, the last recorded offence three years
:00:47. > :00:50.ago. How did the justice system fail so badly, we ask a former
:00:50. > :00:54.Director of Public Prosecutions and a former victim. George Osborne's
:00:54. > :00:56.ultimatum to the EU. Are the Tories ready to commit to a referendum on
:00:56. > :01:01.Europe? The diplomatic row over whether
:01:01. > :01:10.Britain is trying to cherrypick its terms for EU membership is heating
:01:10. > :01:15.up and turning personal. The retired stars of International
:01:15. > :01:25.Rescue gather to pay tribute to the creator of Thunderbirds. Hello,
:01:25. > :01:27.
:01:27. > :01:33.hello, hello, I did the voice of Parker, a long time ago! Hello,
:01:33. > :01:37.good evening. He died peacefully in his sleep, unrepentant, and
:01:37. > :01:41.uncaught. Today he finally claimed his place by sheer scale, as
:01:41. > :01:44.Britain's most prolific sex offender. Jimmy Savile's depravity
:01:44. > :01:48.reached those as young as eight, and those close to dying. He
:01:48. > :01:53.operated as a paedophile for over 50 years, and hid his actions
:01:53. > :01:57.through sheer visibility in the sheen of celebrity. Today's reports
:01:57. > :02:02.chart 240 allegations, some as recently as three years ago,
:02:02. > :02:04.against a man, long suspected, but never charged. As the Director of
:02:04. > :02:07.Public Prosecutions pointed the finger at police and investigators,
:02:07. > :02:10.the Crown Prosecution Service apologised, and admitted that
:02:10. > :02:14.Savile could have been convicted if his victims had been treated
:02:14. > :02:19.differently. Tonight we ask what failings allowed him to get away
:02:19. > :02:23.with deceit on an unprecedented level.
:02:23. > :02:30.Jimmy Savile was a prolific, predatory sex offender, who abused
:02:30. > :02:36.children on an unprecedented scale. According to the police and the
:02:36. > :02:42.NSPCC. 450 people came forward, giving information about 214
:02:42. > :02:48.offences. 126 were indecent acts, and 34 victims were raped. The
:02:48. > :02:52.abuse spanned six decades. Most of the victims were teenage girls, but
:02:52. > :02:57.40 offences were committed against boys. The youngest victim was just
:02:57. > :03:03.eight at the time. The oldest victim was 47. Jimmy Savile
:03:03. > :03:09.attacked children across the country. On BBC promise, in schools,
:03:09. > :03:14.hospitals even a hospice. It's clear that their testimony, when
:03:14. > :03:18.taken together, presents a compelling case of a predatory sex
:03:18. > :03:22.offender, across the whole of the UK. It could be said he groomed a
:03:22. > :03:30.nation. He was hiding in plain sight, and yet none of us were able
:03:30. > :03:34.to do anything about it. Caroline Moore was at Stoke Mandeville in
:03:34. > :03:37.1971, she had an operation on her spine. She said Savile abused her
:03:38. > :03:47.there. She has been shocked to learn how many others he had
:03:47. > :03:56.assaulted. I'm so angry and so sad, but it is for the children, for the
:03:56. > :04:06.vulnerable adults who could have been quite childlike, and I'm angry,
:04:06. > :04:07.
:04:07. > :04:12.I'm sad, I'm terribly frustrated. Not one person stood up and tried
:04:12. > :04:19.to stop him. He could have been stopped, there was so many, it was
:04:19. > :04:23.so many years that he was doing what he was doing, that somebody,
:04:23. > :04:30.during that time, maybe dozens, during that time, could have
:04:30. > :04:34.stopped him. Nobody did. Relatively few victims, abused by Savile, made
:04:34. > :04:39.formal reports to the police. In the 1980s, a woman reported that
:04:39. > :04:45.she had been assaulted in Savile's camper van, in a BBC car park. The
:04:45. > :04:51.police file couldn't be found, the investigating officer has died. In
:04:51. > :04:56.2003, a woman who had been on Top Of The Pops in 1973 told police
:04:56. > :05:00.Savile had touched her inappropriately, she didn't want to
:05:00. > :05:04.proceed, unless other victims came forward, she said. In 2008, during
:05:04. > :05:08.the investigation into the Haut de la Garenne children's home in
:05:08. > :05:15.jersey, inquiries were made about Jimmy Savile, he denied ever having
:05:15. > :05:20.visited the home. The most significant opportunities missed
:05:20. > :05:24.included abuse at Duncroft Approved School, in 2007 Surrey Police began
:05:24. > :05:28.investigating two alleged offences there. They also found a victim who
:05:28. > :05:32.said she had been assaulted at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, where
:05:32. > :05:34.Savile was a volunteer. Surrey Police operated with Sussex Police,
:05:34. > :05:38.who were investigating an allegation that Savile had
:05:39. > :05:42.assaulted a woman in 1970. The Crown Prosecution Service said none
:05:42. > :05:47.of these four cases were prosecuted, because victims were reluctant to
:05:47. > :05:51.come to court. However, its own report, published today, found that
:05:51. > :05:54.a prosecution might have been brought. It said police and
:05:54. > :05:59.prosecutors treated victims, and the accounts they gave, with a
:05:59. > :06:04.degree of caution, which was neither justified nor required.
:06:04. > :06:09.Referring to a witness, the principal legal adviser to the CPS
:06:09. > :06:14.wrote. That it was difficult not to conclude that the officers had,
:06:14. > :06:17.even if unintentionally, dissuaded her from pursuing her allegation.
:06:17. > :06:22.Each victim was nervous of being the only witness against Savile,
:06:22. > :06:26.but the police did not tell any of them there were others. Today's CPS
:06:26. > :06:30.report found there was no justification for that. The CPS
:06:30. > :06:35.lawyer was at fault too, according to the police notes. He did not
:06:35. > :06:40.feel there was a case to proceed. The Director of Public Prosecutions
:06:40. > :06:44.has said this should be a watershed moment. That the approach of police
:06:44. > :06:48.and prosecutors to credibility and sexual assault cases has to change.
:06:48. > :06:53.That more support should be given to complainants, and that a point
:06:53. > :07:00.panel of the police and CPS should be set up to look again at claims
:07:00. > :07:04.of sexual assault made in the past. Stod's report says Jimmy Savile
:07:04. > :07:07.abused -- today's report says Jimmy Savile abused victims at 13
:07:07. > :07:11.hospitals and one hospice. At Leeds General Hospital, where he
:07:11. > :07:18.volunteered as a porter, victims reported assaults over three
:07:18. > :07:21.decades. At Stoke Mandeville, over 23 years. These two hospitals,
:07:21. > :07:26.together with Broadmoor, have begun investigations, looking at the role
:07:26. > :07:29.Jimmy Savile had. At whether his behaviour was reported, and whether
:07:29. > :07:35.hospital policy was followed. The BBC has commissioned a review,
:07:35. > :07:40.chaired by Dame Janet Smith. It's investigating the extent to which
:07:41. > :07:44.staff were, or ought to have been aware of unlawful, and/or
:07:44. > :07:47.inappropriate conduct by Jimmy Savile. That is according to its
:07:47. > :07:52.terms of reference. That phrase is absent from the terms of reference
:07:52. > :07:56.of the NHS inquiries. Lawyers for Savile's victims say it should be
:07:56. > :08:00.there. In a civil sense, we would need to show, or one element of
:08:00. > :08:04.what we would need to show is whether or not the institution knew
:08:04. > :08:07.or ought to have known, clearly if the inquiry, which involves
:08:07. > :08:12.numerous interviews and investigations, reaches that
:08:12. > :08:16.conclusion, it will certainly help within the civil context. I think
:08:16. > :08:21.that what we also need to appreciate very much so, is it's
:08:22. > :08:24.what the patients, what the victims, sorry, need, that is the
:08:24. > :08:28.reassurance that these inquiries will lead to conclusions which will
:08:28. > :08:32.ensure this never happens again. The Health Secretary says the terms
:08:32. > :08:36.of reference are appropriate. will do the work that's necessary,
:08:36. > :08:40.I know every NHS institution will do absolutely everything that it
:08:40. > :08:43.takes, because we want to be able to reassure people using the NHS
:08:43. > :08:48.today. We want to know that we have the right procedures in place. A
:08:48. > :08:52.lot has changed. We have CRB checks now, we have local safeguarding
:08:52. > :08:57.children boards as well. We need to be absolutely sure that this kind
:08:57. > :09:04.of thing can't happen again. And I want to make sure the NHS does
:09:04. > :09:06.everything possible to do that. an approved school, Duncroft was
:09:06. > :09:13.direct low administered by the hoves. Lawyers say there should be
:09:13. > :09:18.a full investigation here too, none has been announced.
:09:18. > :09:23.Where do we start, what went wrong, could it happen again. With us are
:09:23. > :09:28.Ken MacDonald, the Director of Public Prosecutions until 2008,
:09:28. > :09:32.Lisa Harker from the NSPCC, co- author of the report. And a lawyer
:09:32. > :09:37.who represents more than 50 of Savile's victims. Kim, just to
:09:37. > :09:40.start but for a second. We heard from one victim there, Caroline
:09:40. > :09:47.Moore, the anger and frustration in her voice. The scale is incredibly
:09:47. > :09:51.hard to believe. What does this mean for victims? You are right.
:09:51. > :09:55.The solicitors where I work, we have a long history of representing
:09:55. > :10:00.victims of sexual abuse. But we have never come across anything of
:10:00. > :10:04.this scale of the we are literally being contacted -- of this scale.
:10:04. > :10:07.We are literally being contacted every week by more victims. We are
:10:07. > :10:11.out across the country, and even abroad, interviewing these victim.
:10:11. > :10:15.There is people interviewing them as we speak now. And when you hear
:10:15. > :10:21.about the number, and when they hear about the numbers, does it
:10:21. > :10:24.make them feel relieved, if you like, that there are others in the
:10:24. > :10:31.same position, or do you just ask how, how it was possible that this
:10:31. > :10:34.was missed for 50 years? I think there is a big mixture, it is
:10:34. > :10:38.important not to lump all the victims together. That people feel
:10:38. > :10:41.very, very differently, there is that mixture of relief that they
:10:41. > :10:44.are not the only one. That is tinged with guilt, which they
:10:45. > :10:49.shouldn't feel, but a lot of victims of sexual abuse do feel
:10:49. > :10:54.guilty and feel that if they had spoken out, maybe they could have
:10:54. > :10:58.stopped others being abused. And they shouldn't feel guilty for that.
:10:59. > :11:02.But there does need to be real questions asked as to why others
:11:02. > :11:06.didn't stop this offending. We had an apology from the Crown
:11:06. > :11:09.Prosecution Service today, a serious miss for them? Yes, the
:11:10. > :11:14.real gravity of this is that this was the one opportunity, one real
:11:14. > :11:19.opportunity that we had, I think, to prosecute this man. In fact,
:11:19. > :11:23.reading the CPS report today, it is clear that if the victims, whose
:11:23. > :11:26.cases were being looked at at that time, had been properly encouraged
:11:26. > :11:29.to come to court and had come to court, there wouldn't just have
:11:29. > :11:33.been a case against Jimmy Savile, there would have been a strong case
:11:33. > :11:37.against him. I think a jury would have been persuaded by the fact
:11:37. > :11:42.that three women, quite independently, many years later,
:11:42. > :11:45.had come out with essentially the same sort of story about this man.
:11:45. > :11:49.I think...Why Wouldn't they, they were actively discouraged, it seems
:11:49. > :11:53.like? It sounds from the report, that if there was active
:11:53. > :11:57.discouragement, it was inadvertant. The problem is, they were told,
:11:57. > :11:59.none of them were told that I in of the others existed, that any of the
:12:00. > :12:04.others complained. They were told that corroboration would be needed
:12:04. > :12:07.for their individual stories. They weren't told that they could be
:12:07. > :12:10.offered anonymity if they went to court. And the police failed to
:12:10. > :12:13.consider, and it seems the prosecutor failed to consider, the
:12:13. > :12:16.fact that each of these case, because they would have been tried
:12:16. > :12:20.together, would have supported the other. They didn't let them know
:12:20. > :12:25.about each other? No. I think the reason for that is, that in a
:12:25. > :12:27.previous case, when the police were investigating offences in a
:12:27. > :12:31.children's home, they had been criticised for broadcasting the
:12:31. > :12:35.fact that the offences had taken place, and then sending letters to
:12:35. > :12:40.everyone who had been at the home over a 20-year period. They were
:12:40. > :12:43.accused of fishing for complaints. Do you think they feared a sort of
:12:43. > :12:47.hysteria? They may have had some fear they would face criticism
:12:47. > :12:50.again. It may have been appropriate at the beginning of their inquiries
:12:50. > :12:53.not to share the knowledge with the women. But at the time when they
:12:53. > :12:56.were thinking about bringing a case to court, they should have clearly
:12:56. > :13:01.told these victims that they weren't alone, that other people
:13:01. > :13:04.were making the same allegation, and if they went to court together,
:13:04. > :13:10.there was a strong prospect there would be a conviction and this man
:13:10. > :13:18.would be sent to prison. For some of this time this was on your watch,
:13:18. > :13:23.do you agree with the police and KierStarmer that it was the
:13:23. > :13:29.sensitivity in the approach over the time. Things have improved.
:13:29. > :13:32.last attack was 2009? The number of sex cases brought to court has
:13:32. > :13:35.improved dramatically in ten or 12 years. This is a very, very bad
:13:35. > :13:40.case, and it is a recent case. The failings which are apparent in this
:13:40. > :13:44.case should never have happened as recently as that. I think, it is
:13:44. > :13:47.perfectly plain, that the approach that was taken to these victim, by
:13:47. > :13:50.the prosecuting lawyer, was insufficiently sympathetic, there
:13:50. > :13:55.was an instinctive feeling that they were, perhaps, isolated, that
:13:55. > :13:59.it was a long time ago, that the assaults didn't go as far as rape.
:13:59. > :14:03.All of these sorts of inappropriate considerations. We have had an
:14:04. > :14:09.apology, which many victims will say isn't enough? It is clearly not
:14:09. > :14:13.enough. What the victims want in case like this is justice. They
:14:13. > :14:16.want to seat man who has abused them put on trial and sent to
:14:16. > :14:19.prison. Jimmy Savile would have been sent to prison for a long time.
:14:19. > :14:23.He was in a position of trust, these were vulnerable women, it was
:14:23. > :14:28.a persistent course of conduct, he would have got a long prison
:14:28. > :14:33.sentence if he had been prosecuted and convicted. A lot of people said
:14:33. > :14:38.early on it was a sort of 70s thing, it was a cultural thing, we know
:14:39. > :14:43.now this was happening in 2006, it was happening in 2009. And the
:14:43. > :14:48.truth is, that people would still be cautious, wouldn't they? Of
:14:48. > :14:52.prosecuting a much-loved celebrity of the same kind of allegations
:14:52. > :14:59.raised now? The concern about the undue caution that we have seen
:14:59. > :15:03.from the police applies to society more widely. There is, clearly, a
:15:03. > :15:09.concern exposed by this case, about people coming forward to report
:15:09. > :15:13.concerns about abuse of children and others. What we have seen since
:15:13. > :15:18.the publicity around the case, is a dramatic increase in the number of
:15:18. > :15:23.people coming forward. Not only to talk about Jimmy Savile, and others,
:15:23. > :15:27.related to that case. But also to report concerns about child abuse
:15:27. > :15:31.more widely. What do the actual institutions have to do now?
:15:31. > :15:35.Because, you know, we are at the very beginning of this, the BBC has
:15:35. > :15:39.launched its own investigation, the NHS hospitals and schools were told
:15:39. > :15:44.on notice, but this all comes back to the failings of the state,
:15:44. > :15:47.right? I think it is beyond, it starts with a question for society
:15:47. > :15:51.at large about whether we are prepared to take action when we
:15:51. > :15:56.have concerns about children, and whether we are prepared to listen
:15:56. > :16:00.when children report concerns. Clearly the organisations involved
:16:00. > :16:04.need to look at what happens within their own institutions, but it goes
:16:04. > :16:08.wider than that. Kim Harrison, when you hear it is a question for
:16:08. > :16:16.society at large, I'm wondering what your victims and others do
:16:16. > :16:21.with a statement like that? What do they want to get now? They want
:16:21. > :16:24.justice. They want to be believed, what happened to them they want
:16:24. > :16:31.recognised. They want justice for themselves, they want to make sure
:16:31. > :16:35.that nothing like this is ever allowed to happen again. We do need
:16:35. > :16:39.to get to the bottom of exactly how this was allowed to happen. The
:16:39. > :16:44.report today is a start, but it is not the end of the process, we
:16:44. > :16:49.really need to get to the bottom as to how he was allowed to get away
:16:49. > :16:53.with this for so long. Who knew and what institution, did anyone know?
:16:53. > :16:56.Did anyone try to stop him? If not, why not? There are so many
:16:56. > :17:00.questions still to be answered. that with an aim to getting
:17:00. > :17:06.compensation from this, or civil prosecutions? When you talk to
:17:06. > :17:12.victims, what do they ultimately want to get from it? Obviously one
:17:12. > :17:16.of the main regrets is that there was a chance to prosecute Savile
:17:16. > :17:21.whilst he was still alive, and that was missed. Had that gone ahead,
:17:21. > :17:27.then other victims could have come forward at that stage. There would
:17:27. > :17:31.have been potentially that justice there. We are obviously looking
:17:31. > :17:35.into the difference of the legal avenues that the victims can pursue,
:17:35. > :17:39.but you know, a big opportunity has been missed there. There is an
:17:39. > :17:45.opportunity for civil compensation, but this isn't just about civil
:17:45. > :17:50.compensation, this is about justice. How ashamed, Ken MacDonald, do you
:17:50. > :17:57.think we should be, that he died before any of this came to light?
:17:57. > :18:00.think a lot of the institution, care homes, our national
:18:00. > :18:04.institutions, the police, and prosecutor, they will be thinking
:18:04. > :18:08.very hard about themselves, and so they should be. Will it be a bill
:18:08. > :18:11.for tax-payers, should this be where the victims go to be
:18:11. > :18:14.compensated? Victims are entitled to compensation from some of these
:18:14. > :18:17.organisations which owed them a duty of care, and failed to give
:18:17. > :18:21.them that care. As a result of that failure they suffered sexual abuse.
:18:21. > :18:25.I'm not a civil lawyer, but I think many of these victims will have a
:18:25. > :18:32.strong case for civil compensation against some of the institutions,
:18:32. > :18:35.including the broadcaster. Thank you all very much.
:18:35. > :18:39.If the Chancellor told the European Union it had to change for Britain
:18:39. > :18:42.to stay, would he hear that as an ultimatum. George Osborne has made
:18:42. > :18:48.clear he wants Britain to stay on the inside of the EU, but with
:18:48. > :18:51.conditions. In an interview with the German
:18:51. > :19:01.newspaper, Die Weld, published today, the Chancellor was asked,
:19:01. > :19:06.
:19:06. > :19:10.quite starkly, will Britain be in His answer.
:19:10. > :19:14.After interventions this week from the US, Austrian and Dutch
:19:14. > :19:17.Governments, and ahead of a major speech on Europe by David Cameron,
:19:17. > :19:21.where do we now stand. Our diplomatic editor is just back from
:19:21. > :19:23.Berlin. What do you read into those comments from George Osborne, first
:19:23. > :19:28.of all? It is a significant statement for a British cabinet
:19:28. > :19:32.minister to make. Making that conditionality about change in the
:19:32. > :19:36.EU, making it the price, if you like, of continued membership. A
:19:36. > :19:39.rallying cry for many Conservative backbenchers, and that broader
:19:39. > :19:45.section of the British public that we could characterise as euro-
:19:45. > :19:49.sceptic. On the other hand, how significant does change in Mr
:19:49. > :19:52.Osborne's terms really have to be. He was in Berlin this week, making
:19:52. > :19:55.all sorts of positive statements about Europe and its future
:19:55. > :20:01.direction as well. What many in the Government had been hoping is they
:20:01. > :20:04.could keep this on the one hand and the other-type policy going for
:20:04. > :20:08.some time, some might say pretty close to the next election, until
:20:08. > :20:11.they defined exactly what Britain wanted in terms of change. The
:20:11. > :20:14.problem is, increasingly there are signs that the rest of Europe is
:20:14. > :20:18.getting cross about this, and wants Britain to sexually say what it
:20:18. > :20:23.wants, and stop, if you like, as some would say, holding them to
:20:23. > :20:26.randsom. We have had a lot of these sort of tentative interventions,
:20:26. > :20:31.haven't we? What kind of response from members, I guess you would
:20:31. > :20:34.call it, the Europe club? Well, you have already pensions those two
:20:34. > :20:37.leaders. The Austrian Prime Minister in an interview, that was
:20:37. > :20:41.published today, he has been talking about this on the one hand,
:20:41. > :20:45.on the other policy quite explicitly, saying we hear one
:20:45. > :20:48.thing in the European Council, and another thing when Mr Cameron goes
:20:48. > :20:53.home. He added that they all talk about it in the European Council.
:20:53. > :20:56.Clearly they are implying a dual policy they don't like. We have had
:20:56. > :21:00.the head of the German parliamentary European committee
:21:00. > :21:04.using the word "blackmail" about what Britain is engaged with.
:21:04. > :21:07.Britain has tried, we think there has been some briefings suggesting,
:21:07. > :21:11.no there are others who share the view, the Dutch Prime Minister
:21:12. > :21:14.himself, there is a speech coming up, doesn't disagree with us, about
:21:14. > :21:17.perhaps taking some powers back. We had the Dutch Prime Minister's
:21:17. > :21:22.spokesman saying, we don't know anything about what Mr Cameron
:21:22. > :21:26.might say, and we don't agree with opt-outs, at this particular time.
:21:26. > :21:30.It is clear that a lot of people in Europe want the British to, if you
:21:30. > :21:35.like, put up or shut up. Is there any actual support for the UK
:21:35. > :21:39.position as we understand it? well, at the popular level you
:21:39. > :21:44.could say there is quite a bit. Let's face it, the party that went
:21:44. > :21:47.into last year's French presidential elections with an
:21:47. > :21:50.explicitly anti-euro platform, the National Front, actually did rather
:21:50. > :21:54.well, in the Dutch elections, in the latter part of last year, there
:21:54. > :21:58.were quite a lot of euro-sceptic messages. Both of those countries
:21:58. > :22:01.voted no to the European constitution several years ago in
:22:01. > :22:05.popular referenda. You could argue that on the popular level there is
:22:05. > :22:08.sim thee. But the type of ruling class interest, -- sympathy, but
:22:08. > :22:13.the type of ruling class interest, politicians, business leaders,
:22:13. > :22:17.often get in the way of that, and insist on a "politics as normal"
:22:17. > :22:20.type approach in Europe, in which basic membership is not challenged.
:22:20. > :22:23.It will be very hard for the British Government to breakthrough
:22:23. > :22:28.into that political class, and business class, and to convince
:22:28. > :22:32.them that doing this, and raising these kinds of issues is not
:22:32. > :22:40.undermining or destablising the EU, at a time when most of its members
:22:40. > :22:45.want to concentrate on economic recovery.
:22:45. > :22:51.Here's where surely the only -- his was surely the only coffin in
:22:51. > :22:56.history to arrive with flowers of thunder bird 2. The creator, Gerry
:22:56. > :22:59.Anderson, who died last month, was remembered from a 300-strong
:22:59. > :23:04.congregation and the actors who worked with him. Hailed for his
:23:04. > :23:09.vision, the film maker, diagnosed with Alzheimer's two years ago, was
:23:09. > :23:13.hailed off with his puppets, a march, and Lady Penolope's pink
:23:13. > :23:17.Rolls-Royce. For anyone of a sup certain age, me
:23:18. > :23:22.included, the name -- of a certain age, me included, the name Gerry
:23:22. > :23:26.Anderson on the credits means guaranteed excitement. He changed
:23:26. > :23:30.children's TV by, for the first time, not making TV for children,
:23:30. > :23:39.instead, he just made quality shows that children could enjoy without
:23:39. > :23:42.being talked down to. The episodes were made meticulously,
:23:42. > :23:50.huge attention to detail. Of course, it was a one-off, there was no
:23:50. > :23:53.other show in the world like it. pink Rolls-Royce gave a hint as to
:23:53. > :23:56.whose funeral it was in Reading today. Gerry Anderson's stars could
:23:56. > :24:01.not attend, without someone to work their strings. Many of their voices,
:24:01. > :24:05.though, made it. Not that many people may recognise your face, if
:24:05. > :24:10.you say something they might recognise who you are? "yes, they
:24:11. > :24:16.might recognise that I did the voice of Parker, a long time ago".
:24:16. > :24:21.I was the angels voices in Captain Scarlet. All of the angels? I did
:24:21. > :24:25.three of them. Would you rather live on Tracey Island? I would.
:24:25. > :24:29.weather is not bad there? weather is fabulous. I was lucky
:24:29. > :24:32.enough to meet Gerry Anderson about 18 months before he died. He had
:24:32. > :24:37.been diagnosed with Alzheimer's a year previously. This was one of
:24:37. > :24:43.his last interviews. He told me that advice he had got early in his
:24:43. > :24:52.career still rang true. It's very simple, never second guess your
:24:53. > :24:56.audience. You do what you want to do, and if you find that the
:24:56. > :25:02.audience like what you want to do, you will be famous, if they don't
:25:02. > :25:09.like what you want to do, open a greengrocer shop.
:25:09. > :25:13.But early on, he could only get commissions working in a genre he
:25:13. > :25:18.couldn't stand. Some people liked the puppets, and watching puppets,
:25:18. > :25:23.I hated puppets, and hated working with them. So, he made it his own,
:25:23. > :25:28.doing it better than anyone else. Always working round the puppets'
:25:28. > :25:37.limitation, they can't walk convincingly, well, however bikes
:25:37. > :25:45.and conveyor-belts then. I remember one -- hover bikes, and conveyor-
:25:45. > :25:50.belts. I remember one moments, when I was saying "wait, wait, captain
:25:50. > :25:57.scarlet" starting crying, and then I got the button, puppets don't
:25:58. > :26:01.cry! He got so many productions here into the American market, they
:26:01. > :26:05.wouldn't allow them before he cracked it with Thunderbirds. They
:26:05. > :26:13.were watching it, they had a specialised showing, I don't know
:26:13. > :26:18.where it was. They had the head of NBC saying we have to have it, it
:26:18. > :26:23.is a killer. His most creative period coincided with the space
:26:23. > :26:27.race. He, in common with his young audience, was obsessed with rockets
:26:27. > :26:35.and astronauts. On one trip to New York, he remembers lecturing a
:26:35. > :26:42.stranger on the mechanics of space travel. So I told him how the
:26:42. > :26:45.astronaut escape system worked. He was very interested. You know, the
:26:45. > :26:49.speed you have to go to break-away from earth's gravity, all these
:26:49. > :26:58.sorts of facts that I knew, he listened. It was quite obvious he
:26:58. > :27:06.was very interested. He was doing the occasional "really"! And "I
:27:06. > :27:11.didn't know that"! Having talked myself dry, we got up, we shook
:27:11. > :27:20.hands and he gave me his card. And I gave him, I took mine and gave
:27:20. > :27:26.him mine. And I turned his card over and it read Captain James
:27:26. > :27:30.Lovell! Well I nearly fell through the floor. It was the biggest put-
:27:30. > :27:37.down, not only I have ever had in my life. It was the biggest put-
:27:37. > :27:45.down anyone could have in their life. I was so take Anne back, I
:27:45. > :27:51.said, you bastard! In Gerry Anderson's shows, technology
:27:51. > :27:55.brought salvation, the prief of our better angels. It is further
:27:56. > :27:59.fueristic and optistic, -- futuristic and optimistic, it shows
:28:00. > :28:03.us a better mankind? Good was always supreme, we always won in
:28:04. > :28:08.the end. But he became disappointed by how the full-sized world failed
:28:08. > :28:14.to measure up. The only thing that hasn't changed and hasn't advanced
:28:14. > :28:20.are people. That, I think, is tragic. Because there have been so
:28:20. > :28:26.many opportunities opened up, what have we done? We have started for
:28:26. > :28:33.whatever reason one war and another war, and I often think to myself,
:28:33. > :28:37.in a way, us human beings deserve what we get. He was a massive
:28:37. > :28:43.influence on tell vision, and children's television, and I think
:28:43. > :28:47.the greatest thing about all his work is that it was entertaining.
:28:47. > :28:54.There was no gratuitous violence, there is so much violence around
:28:55. > :28:59.these days. He will be remembered as long as television is remembered.
:28:59. > :29:03.Review is up next. Kirsty is in Glasgow. What have you got for us?
:29:03. > :29:08.Tonight I'm joined by John Mullan, David Hayman and Anne McElvoy. We
:29:08. > :29:13.plan to sing our way through Review, to see if it does for us what it
:29:14. > :29:19.has done for Mister Dillon, for all you Modern Family, how will you
:29:19. > :29:24.take to The New Normal this. One with Ellen Barkin as a homophobic
:29:24. > :29:34.racist granny. Comedy of another stripe, PG Wodehouse is back with